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Subject: Oct 31 - Nov 6 Trading Thread

Posted by: CJ - Sustainer [499271021] Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 08:13

Need some help in finding out where J.R. Smith has gone?

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 08:15

Hilton Armstrong ---> Kevin Garnett

deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 08:15

hes suspended CJ. 2 games more I believe.

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 08:15

Found it.....
J.R. Smith sat out the first of three games after being suspended by Denver for "conduct detrimental to the team" before the season. He was recently issued a summons on charges including assault after an incident at a night club.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 08:55

no point trading cheapies Armstrong and Greene, but starting looking for options.

deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 09:22

Diawara did decent for his price, but hes not really known for his stat filling, thoughts?

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 09:24

He's probably a time share situation. Not really worth a trade over Greene, Armstrong.

Jack Hammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 09:26

I drafted him as a cheap starter until these guys start coming back. I was watching the game last night, he's sure not afraid to shoot...

deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 10:19

6

Day Late team pica, armstrong is going nowhere right now.

kentucky indians
ID: 33892520
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 10:29

rendle....excellent suggestion on Armstrong to Garnett.. I think KG has a pretty decent chance to outpoint Armstrong this year.

Rendle
ID: 449391213
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 11:49

Well at first I wasn't sure because I thought KG's production might go down in Boston but then I realized it is the money move.

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 12:35

I wonder who people will be trading all these bust cheapies for. Obviously brewer will make tons, but no other cheapies have really stepped forward.

The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 13:10

Joel Przybilla

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 13:16

you have to have 1.5 to go from one of the .5 guys to get pryz though.

Florian
Dude
ID: 034815289
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 14:57

Bogans to Diawara for me.

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 16:57

No trades for me yet. I was happy with 6/10 first game performances - Paul, Brewer, Boozer, Howard, Zydrunas, Webster.

Gibson and Jameer Nelson had ok performances but hopefully they can improve.

Hilton Armstrong and Blatche were sub-par but their cheapies and should have lots of ups and downs.

Hopefully I can hold all these guys for the first week. Having 5 trades instead of 4 is a nice cushion.

Qwerty123
Sustainer
ID: 349431211
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 17:21

Any opinions between R. Jefferson, Salmons, and D. Wilkins for a DL team?

deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 17:33

15

its not so much the performance of Blatche, but rather the minutes(or better the lack of)combined with the not so schedule, that makes me think of moving him.

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 17:35

I think he's a 20 minutes a game guy. The problem is he got 2 fouls immediately when he first came in and was done for the half. He was fairly productive for the minutes he had. He's got 2 more games to prove yesterday was a fluke.

deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 17:37

still 14 minutes included an OT doesnt look good.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 17:56

#16
Qwerty, with the info available right now my preferred order would be Salmons over Jefferson over Wilkins. Neither of these three will be able to maintain anything near their initial stellar performances, but to me Salmons looks to have to most opportunities to contribute in a thin Kings team. Plus he's cheaper than Jefferson and a GF. Wilkins I simply don't trust.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 18:02

Short disclaimer on #20: If asked in an hour or so, my opinion will probably be different. And yet different in two hours. Just thought I have to mention it, because it was exactly like this when I tried to assemble my initial roster... ;)

angryCHAIR
ID: 29955918
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 18:48

deejay writes:

its not so much the performance of Blatche, but rather the minutes(or better the lack of)combined with the not so [great]schedule

If you didn;t like his schedule--why'd you draft him?

deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 18:51

because i thought haywood would suck and that he would get a lo of PT, he did nice the end of last year, if he would have that production then hes well worth his price even with a bad schedule.

Captain @ work
ID: 28250320
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 19:56

I'm close to pulling the trigger on Blatche to Przybilla but am a little hesitant to click away a trade so early. Could somebody please tell me what I want to hear?

deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 19:57

do it captain.:)

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 20:16

#24
Captain, Blatche will get 40+ minutes a game and play his way into the All-NBA-Team, so the Wizards gruesome schedule is easy to stomach. Was that what you wanted to hear? ;)))

Seriously, if it makes you feel better, my first trade will evaporate today also. So much for the extra trade gained by a complete opening roster... {sigh}

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 20:29

13 qwert

24 Captain @ work

I spent a trade on one team and picked up Przybilla. I am sure he will cost more and more each day.

Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 20:31

And then cost less and less one day. =P

Captain @ work
ID: 28250320
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 20:47

Sorry Soulman, too late. I'm at the Przybilla welcoming party as we speak.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 20:54

Fine with me Captain, I'm going to that party also :)

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 21:07

Welcome aboard!

The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 21:15

I wonder if Przybilla has a little captain in him.. lol

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 21:22

Thanks Pica. Still a long way for me to the dream roster you drafted with your A team. Only correct picks - congrats on that!

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 21:30

Holding Blatche.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Nov 01, 2007, 23:33

Thanks Soulman. I am sure this is the only day I will lead the league in RV. And it is totally a fluke result, as DJ can be a proof to that. The roster was put together only hours before tipoff. It takes weeks to judge whether this draft was a success or not.

Greene > Udich??

angryCHAIR
ID: 29955918
Fri, Nov 02, 2007, 00:12

#34---agreed---

Seems to be a whole LOTTA trading going on after a few days of hoops.

Being a Portland local--I find it hard to get to pumped about Pryz----hopefully he can stay healthy and somewhat consistent.

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Fri, Nov 02, 2007, 10:58

I skipped on Pryz and Aldridge...went Okur to Harrison, spent
the extra money to take Sculi to Boozer and then, had planned
to buy NJ Wright for 2 mil...however, I am dumb and bad at
math, and was 10K short...

So I had to get Diawara and hope for the best...I got out of
Armstrong and moved Brewer to F, to make the space for
Diawara.

3 burnt trades...HOPEFULLY, this team will be worth it.
Expecting more from LeBron and Greene, but I don't like that
they got Udrih...Thought about burning another trade, but not
worth it for another unknown cheapie.

angryChair
ID: 100501014
Fri, Nov 02, 2007, 11:57

Rub--Aren't Harrison's minutes doomed? He got the playing
time when foul trouble kept Foster and Ike Diogu on the bench.
Plus, when JOneal comes back it will make his minutes diminish
even more.

angryChair
ID: 100501014
Fri, Nov 02, 2007, 11:59

Sacramento's newest point guard, Beno Udrih, is expected to
join the Kings Friday, but will not play against the Spurs tonight.
In fact, he might be out for a week due to a lingering finger
injury. (ROTOWORLD)

angryChair
ID: 100501014
Fri, Nov 02, 2007, 12:14

SOURCES say JOneal comes back tonight.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Nov 02, 2007, 12:33

[38] I skipped Harrison for just that reason. His $500K pricetag was tempting, however.

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Fri, Nov 02, 2007, 12:37

at 510K, why not just wait on armstrong for another night at least, rather than moving into another cheapie, whose performance could flip flop. i can't think of anything more frustrating than trading armstrong for harrison and watching harrison get no minutes tonight and watch armstrong put up a solid night. not saying that will happen, but as Guru says, when in doubt, hold.

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Fri, Nov 02, 2007, 12:55

I wanted to get into Boozer...Pryz would not have allowed that. I
didn't feel that any other cheapie at Center was going to do what
Harrison may very well still be able to do. Yes, his numbers will go
down, but Foster is always in foul trouble, and Harrison is a more
traditional big man...one that is in contract year now.

He should be able to average 15 ish...I hope that both for my
fantasy team and my real fandom in the Pacers...

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Fri, Nov 02, 2007, 12:57

Oh, and it had to be a center, not a forward...because I traded out
of Center and Armstrong became a guard, by moving Brewer to
Forward from Guard...I needed one of my cheapies in the Center
position, if that makes sense.

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Fri, Nov 02, 2007, 13:22

it makes some sense, but it also sounds like you're chasing your tail a little. if you got Boozer, you must have traded a stud, which is even harder to justify.

i understand the need to sort your team out, i just think waiting til everyone has played at least a couple of games can give you some clarity and prevent you from making trades just for the sake of making trades.

Rendle
ID: 449391213
Fri, Nov 02, 2007, 13:58

Rubalamp, in 37 you said you miscalculated and HAD to get Diawara. There is an undo button that was implemented in the last few years if that's not the move you ultimately want to make.

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Fri, Nov 02, 2007, 14:14

I had high hopes for Okur, he was the "stud" I was counting
on...Basically, Okur, Scoli, and Armstrong became Boozer, Harrison,
and that Denver guy...

I agree...Chasing my tail...I am trying to remember the subtleties of
the game, but having a ton of money in Okur and Scoli that are not
getting the roles I expected (Kirilenko seems to be producing in
ways that limits Okur, though that is mainly my early suspicion.)

angryChair
ID: 100501014
Fri, Nov 02, 2007, 17:18

Hollins is my 500K center--here's to hoping he can do at least
15-20???? He's teh spot on my roster that means little at this
time. !

angryCHAIR
ID: 29955918
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 10:25

Williams >>>>>>>Azubuike

deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 10:28

Which Williams is that, and Azubuike has a 2in10?

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 10:28

For those like me who got suckered into grabbing Diawara, I emailed the beat writer for the Nuggets since I could not find any injury info as to why he only played 7 minutes last night. Here is his response:

Thanks for the message. Karl started Mike Wilks instead of Diawara in the second half because he wanted to increase the pace. Wilks played well, and played all the fourth quarter. Diawara is one of those guys who could play 20 minutes one night and zero the night. Kleiza’s shot wasn’t on last night, so his time was cut. And Karl used Bobby Jones for seven or eight minutes, and he played reasonably well. Thanks

While it doesn't bode well for any consistant playing time, at least it wasn't due to injury. I guess I will sort it out after tonights game.

angryCHAIR
ID: 29955918
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 10:33

Azubuike has 3 games thru the 8th--with S Jackson out for 5 more games I am hoping to make some bank on him. L Williams from Phi (got suckered in during the preseason)

deejay
Donor
ID: 501182710
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 10:42

seems not the best plan to me AC.

angryCHAIR
ID: 29955918
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 10:53

well---I guess that's why we have the "UNDO" button!

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 11:04

I really screwed up the draft this year, and right now I don't see a good way of undoing the damage.

My two big problems are Blatche and Armstrong, and then Foyle right behind them. I really thought all three of them would be getting a lot more minutes. I don't have enough money to upgrade to anyone, and all of the options in that price range are in a similar awful situation. I was half tempted to move pre-emptively to Maxiell or move into Diawara after his first game, but it didn't feel right yet.

While I hate to say it, I'm thinking the best plan right now is to hold these guys until some stud schedules run out or until someone gets injured. When in doubt, do nothing? I can't cut Iverson, Paul, or Howard loose with those schedules just yet, especially since these midrange players are pretty unproven themselves. Jefferson is traditionally very inconsistent, Granger has been known to disappear for awhile, and who knows how Artest's return will impact Salmons (who has been very inconsistent himself in the past).

It seemed like there were too many cheap options a few days ago, now it looks like just about all of them have flamed out. This is not good.

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 11:12

i hear ya. i'll be holding armstrong, just cause money is a priority right now, but i have to move blatche.

angryCHAIR
ID: 29955918
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 11:13

SU---I drafted 3 duds too---Hollins, Blatche, and Williams-----

I have moved two of them to stronger players.

I feel your pain----

A cheapie I am keepingg an eye on is Bass---but, as stated, they scare the he!! outta me .

angryCHAIR
ID: 29955918
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 11:14

If (or when) Blatche turns it around--he will be a nice price.

jedman
Dude
ID: 315192219
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 11:23

I'm in the same boat with Scooby Douby Doo, Armstong, and Foyle. I'm inclined to agree with SU, hold until you need to move a stud. I did get Granger from Travis Outlaw (don't ask me why). Holding three 10+ mil players makes it hard to move to anybody decent from the cheapies. I do have 3.6 mill in cash, but still not enough for much. As SU pointed out, seems all the promising cheapies have really fizzled.

Azbuike is starting and looking pretty good, but that schedule is just too awful and then Stephen Jackson will be back. I'm not sure how much sustained money he can make.

angryCHAIR
ID: 29955918
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 11:26

Outlaw's minutes might increase soon as Portland looks to "already" shake up their lineup....Keep an eye on T.O. He is my favorite Blazer.

Headless Gunners
ID: 19282419
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 12:10

Unlike some, I don't start all my teams with the same roster, ended up with 2 that don't need mending...however:
I think we all have at least some of the duds
Greene,Armstrong, Blatche, Foyle...etc
couldn't sit and watch anymore
Took a stud and two duds and turned them into
Wilkins, Salmons and Granger.
If nothing else, RV will rise and will have wasted 3 trades...Ouch !

The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 12:12

What really got me, is that Foyle is the only other big man besides Howard in Orlando. I didn't think Orlando paid Rashard big money to play down low, but that seems to be the case. Orlando playing Garrity over Foyle really caught me off guard. All Garrity is good for is 3's, and Orlando already has 4-5 other guys who can do that. Someone has to rebound and play D down low, I guess Howard has it all on his shoulders.

I also thought Blatche was in line for Etan's mins backing up the once inconsistent Haywood. Luckily I stayed away from him due to his schedule.

Out of Foyle, Hilton, Blatche, I see Foyle with the greatest chance of gaining a larger role with the team. Orlando got out rebounded 42-34 last night, and only had 2 blocked shots, not to mention they got beat by 24 points.

Another thing that scares me that was mentioned earlier, is when I do get a few more million to upgrade,

Granger can drop a few single digit TSNP's on ya in a hurry. Just look what he did last season.

Richard Jefferson can look great for a game or so, and then follow that with a string of games in the low 20's.

Headless Gunners
ID: 19282419
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 12:21

All the same, Jefferson has averaged almost 34 TSNP per game in last 3 years and that includes last year's drop off (31.8) as he rebounded from injury

Headless Gunners
ID: 19282419
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 12:23

Sorry, my mistake, numbers were previous seasons,
They do not include last year's (23.9) coming back from injury

The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 12:40

Jefferson for me is just like Arenas. When I don't have them, they do great, but as soon as I pick them up, they under perform.

Headless Gunners
ID: 19282419
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 13:52

Then stay away Bandwagon, he's going fine
or at least warn me !

The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 14:00

LOL, I do have him on my day late team....

Sorry ;0)

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sat, Nov 03, 2007, 18:46

well, i broke the cardinal rule and traded two players who are going tonight...so y'all can expect blatche to blow up. i would ordinarily be much more patient, but the thought of losing any money at all at the beginning of the season kills me.

angryCHAIR
ID: 29955918
Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 10:15

#53---

went to Salmons instead

kentucky indians
ID: 33892520
Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 13:59

anyone else think Aldridge to Kaman is going to be popular today?? Looks like a really good move to me!

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 14:11

it may be popular, but i don't think it's a great move. kaman's schedule isn't all that great, the move doesn't free up a lot of money and kaman might very well stink it up.

The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 14:56

#72, are you looking at the 2007-2008 NBA schedule?

ole
ID: 581034223
Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 15:10

o.greene -> d.wilkins
d.harris -> d.gibson

the harris move is, of course, one day too late but the overall damage is only 0.05 million RV. still, stupid mistake early in the season.

kentucky indians
ID: 33892520
Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 15:40

Im thinking with Brand out Kaman is going to put up as many points/game as Aldridge... has a one game advantage over a two plus week time frame... is a lesser owned player with could give him some money upside... Aldridge with three days off could bleed and Kaman banks a little over half a million to upgrade some other mistakes..

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 15:44

i don't know...i think you're letting yourself be blinded by kaman's big game. i don't like the move...and i definitely don't think it will net you big $ gains.

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 15:51

but what do i know? kaman off to a fast start

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 16:05

#72/77
Aldridge could be a popular sell today, but I would be surprised to see people moving into Clippers. Lots of other options where the $6.5m would be better spent than with Kaman.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 10:05

With a thin schedule tonight, it's basically 2 straight days of RV movement without any points impact. I'm looking to make a money move.. thinking about RJ or Wilkins. Wilkins will probably be the top gainer again for tonight and tomorrow.

Skip To My Lou
ID: 538101711
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 11:40

I went to Wilkins and Kaman yesterday from Greene and Yao. In watching their games, I don't see a lot of "flukie-ness" in the performances of either Wilkins or Kaman. Rather, they are both thriving in situations featuring high opportunity.

Kaman is simply the only physical presence taller than 6'8" in the Clippers rotation. He seems motivated and in better shape, and without Brand to compete with for boards, I have a hard time seeing how he will accumulate less than 10 rebounds most nights. Throw in a block or two, along with his high FG%, and it seeems he can be expected to produce >30 tsnp/game for the forseeable future, which makes him an excellent value this year.

As for Wilkins, he is one of the those classic across-the-board players who perform well in TSN. All he needs is minutes, and he is getting them, and should continue to get them so long as he plays hard, makes good decisions and defends.

While he doesn't do anything exceptionally well, Wilkins is an effective slasher and decent shooter who can get to the line and make FTs. He also has a nice blend of guard skills (good passer on offense/active in the passing lanes on defense) and size (he's a bigger guy than you'd think, and can be effective on the glass). He might be more up and down than Kaman, but I like him for 25-35 tsnp/game for the next week or two while he is playing well.

With the difficulty this year's pricing has created, I can see both of these guys being integral early season cogs on many successful teams.

Mark L
ID: 25155512
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 14:32

Such as yours.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 14:41

#80
Pica, it's not like I'm trying to pimp my own players ;) but what about Turkoglu? Performance-wise he's right up there with the options you've mentioned, he's a GF in the same price range, and news about him read favourable. And unlike Wilkins he has a schedule for more than just 1.5 weeks...

angryChair
ID: 100501014
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 15:17

TurkeyGLUE is looking great to me---was eyeing him for ORL
big schedule.......Dude is streaky, but playing in a good place
right now.

Picked him up earlier today.

ole
ID: 581034223
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 16:25

83 if i had the money i'd get turkoglu today.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 17:32

Considering moving Blatche to Maxiell today. This would be my one shot to do it, as they are exactly 300k apart and that's all I have in the bank.

angryCHAIR
ID: 29955918
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 18:16

Hasn't Howard been back for a few games?

Skip To My Lou
ID: 28991818
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 18:16

I think I'm going to stay away, but is anyone willing to speculate on how much Brandon Bass gains tonight?

I'm thinking at least $120k. Armstrong to Bass could be a popular move. But with Josh Howard returning tonight, Bass' minutes could take a hit.

That's why I'm going to pass ... on Bass.

Skip To My Lou
ID: 28991818
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 18:17

AC: You're right. I just checked and Howard has been back for one game. Hmmm ...

angryCHAIR
ID: 29955918
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 18:18

How did posts 88 and 89 switch? Spooky!

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 18:27

I find the Mavs schedule way to spotty and haven't seen enough of Bass yet to already be willing to dance the cheapie shuffle. Also I'm no hurry at all to drop a player who can't lose money. Besides, only one good game from Armstrong and we'll be kicking ourselves to have bailed during a sched that's greener than Ireland on St. Patrick's.

ole
ID: 581034223
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 19:09

i am holding armstrong.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 20:11

Now Przybilla's said to be losing his starting job... hmm....

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 20:26

Not starting doesn't automatically mean not producing, see David Lee last year. Let's first check out if and what Frye brings to the table before panicking on Priscilla.

angryCHAIR
ID: 29955918
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 20:33

see #36 re: Pryz

jedman
Dude
ID: 315192219
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 20:36

In the early going it certainly appears that barbelling was not the way to go this year. I have Paul,James,Howard as three 10+ million players. I drafted Douby,Armstrong, and Foyle. All three have been collosal busts and getting out of them is not easy with no cash. Guys like Granger, Wilkins, Dunleavy, Kaman have been the guys to have. Anybody else in the same boat as me and how are you planning to right the ship so to speak? I hate wasting trades on more potential cheapies, but is there any sub $2 million dollar player that has done anything worthwhile? Is it just me or is this the first year for a long time when all the popular cheapies have been playing at their price?

jedman
Dude
ID: 315192219
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 20:48

Just looking at the sartibles shows two players under $2 mill in the top hundred in total TSNP so far this year, Ronnie Brewer at #29 and Jason Maxiell at #90. Interestingly enough, Kiri is at 9. I realize that he has played 4 games, but I have been a little disappointed with him until I look at that. Add Haywood, Jefferson, Salmons to the mid-priced guys in the top 25 that would have been good draft picks. I'm tempted to blow out one of my expensive guys and package them with Douby or Foyle.
At least Douby has been getting minutes, he just sucks. Indiana's schedule lasts for awhile but as a long time Warriors fan, I have a hard time taking Dunleavy.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 20:49

jedman, I'm in the same exact spot right now. I have Foyle, Armstrong, and Blatche as my cheapies. Armstrong and Foyle I figure I can suffer through a bit more, given their price and Foyle's ability to get blocks.

Blatche I'm thinking has to go tonight. I wish I had moved into Maxiell yesterday, and I'm thinking about doing that tonight. My three studs (Iverson, Paul, and Howard) have schedules that are too good for me to sell them, so I'm thinking Maxiell is the guy. At the same time, there's the option of breaking down Kirilenko for a more balanced combination - but are all of these midrange guys all of a sudden for real? I can't help but think they're going to start falling back to earth. Plus there's no real reason to sell Kirilenko.

I really don't know what to do, this has been a horrible start to the season.

100

kentucky indians
ID: 33892520
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 21:02

Jedman... your comments ring out like that of a wise sage to me... I have always barbelled with fairly good success but was thinking that this may be the year that does not work... I orginally brought Lebron with the intent to hold til 12/5... however today I am thinking Richard Jefferson and/or Turkoglu(or a Pacer) from Lebron and Armstrong after Lebron's 5 in 7 on 11/13!

101

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 21:06

83 Soulman:
Thanks for your tip. I've considered Turkuglu but decided against him for the followin reasons:
1. He costs more
2. I already have 2 magic player in Nelson and Howard
3. I have burnt by him numerous times in the past. I remember drafting him last year at around half the price this year and he did nothing for me.

I'm glad he's doing well for you and I'm sure he will as soon as he is not on my team.

97 Jedman:
I'm sort of in the same boat as well. I have 3 ~10m studs in Howard, Paul, AI and 500k guys in Greene and Armstrong. I've turned Greene into Gibson and still has Armstrong. Maxiell is the closest thing I can think of right now and I am seriously thinking about packaging AK with Armstrong for Maxiell and Wilkins.

I agree with you a mid priced roster is the one to have this year, in addition to the those players you listed, RJ, Turkoglu also been superb.

102

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 21:11

SU: same situation here, it appears I have to get funding from either AK or Nelson, but there is no reason for selling both other than strict money purpose.

104

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 21:20

#97/98
jedman, precise analysis of many teams' situations, including mine. My plan is exactly what you're tempted to do, i.e. dropping an expensive guy for a mid-range player in order to be able to upgrade a cheapie. At their current pace and with these schedules, Paul/Howard simply are not droppable, so my move today is Deron>Jefferson. Already have Turkoglu or would have gotten him instead. That frees enough cash to get another decent player from one of my cheapies in a few days' time when the schedule opens new options and when there's extra info on which cheapie will remain a bust.

105

dpr
ID: 1733917
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 21:21

same situation as everyone I guess. Decided Kirilenko had to be moved to free up cash as the other expensive guys just had schedules which were too good. Unfortunately still have a team with Armstrong tho. He will have to wait till more cheapies emerge i guess tho

106

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 21:34

I'm really hesitant to pick a midrange guy right now, I just have this bad feeling that some are going to start tapering off and then another trade will be needed in the middle of a good schedule.

I think Blatche does need to go, but Kirilenko definitely does not and I like him more than the slightly cheaper options in terms of knowing what I get from him now I'll still get in a week or two. As of now I'm saying Blatche --> Maxiell, and deal with Armstrong and Foyle later. I'm going to watch some Sopranos and decide in an hour.

107

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 21:36

Now that Josh Howard is back, Bass don't even get off the bench.
There goes another cheapie option.

108

dpr
ID: 1733917
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 21:40

on TSN forums some1 posted that he is injured per the announcers

109

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 21:42

Watching the HOU-DAL game and Bass twisted his ankle and showed the play where he had.

110

V-2
ID: 21731510
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 21:50

Armstrong, Douby, Foyle and Scola...what a mess.
Maxiell or Garcia for Armstrong?
Scola will be packaged with T-Mac soon.
Foyle may stay and Douby who knows.

111

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 22:53

When in doubt...

I just can't figure out a AK+Armstrong combo that makes me feel any more comfortable than what I already have. Is Wilkins/RJ, Maxiell an upgrade and worth 2 trades? I have a hunch RJ will continue to perform but I can't convince selling healthy and could-be-productive guys like AK/Nelson is the way to go.

112

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 23:23

I'm with you Pica. I ended up holding Kirilenko and just moving Blatche to Maxiell. Maxiell should start seeing some buys hopefully, especially now with Bass going down.

These price swings tonight were painful, but I still think it was the right decision. I didn't feel comfortable trading a known good value guy with a good schedule into someone who has been producing great for all of three games (now guaranteed to keep that pace for the next three weeks).

113

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Mon, Nov 05, 2007, 23:39

Is it the right choice, time will tell. But these price swings are brutal. Expect more of the same tomorrow.

114

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 04:40

111-112
Same here. Kept Kirilenko as I could not figure a good combination for Kirilenko and Armstrong. We just have to swallow one more day of price swing and things will get better.
The funny thing is that I was expecting Camby to go down with an injury and package him with Armstrong but Cotton has been healthy till now and rock solid on production.

115

Masa
ID: 58105564
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 06:04

Anyone Armstrong -> S.Williams tomorrow

116

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 08:37

Keeping armstrong till I see a solid train....otherwise I find myself jumping off of every ship in the harbor and left with no trades. Can't losemoney on him or Douby so I am keeping them as they are safe on cash and anything they get me I am fine with.

117

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 08:38

@115
Yea, I will give it a try!
Bass -> Williams for me

118

threespleens
Leader
ID: 00795541
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 08:46

bass going belly up last night did not impress me

holding him and armstrong for now

119

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 09:15

not even waiting for one game out of williams? gutsy

120

Jeddi
ID: 91156614
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 10:25

Got Haywood, Maxiell, Garcia and Salmons from Kirilenko Aldridge Greene and Armstrong

121

The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 10:35

Like many, I too started off with Hilton and Foyle, but I was going to be smarter than the rest and save myself a trade for the following week by starting off with Rudy Gay even though Gay only had 2 games the first week. I just knew he would average 28-30+ TSNP's, but he rewards me with 14 per game.

I also thought people would pass on Aldridge with his 3 games in week 1, and I knew he'd be a bargain at 6 mill. Wrong again, he rewards me with 26 per game, and $$ losses.

Jameer is a player I took at the last minute over Granger because at the time, Jameer was playing for a contract. Shortly after I had my roster set, and off to work, Jameer signs a new contract. He was a player I absolutely didn't want on my team unless he was playing for a contract. He rewards us with medicore play, and $$ losses as well.

Now I feel trapped with Jameer's good schedule. Do I continue to lose money for a good schedule and medicore play, or do I lateral, and gain money and probably more points?

Oh yea, I wasted a trade on Hilton to Priz for 2 games and 50K, and missed Priz to Wilkens on Sunday, 220K and 38.5 TSNP's later.

This is easily my worst start to a TSN season. Every pre-season I tell myself I'm going balanced this year, but always get tempted by the fruit of another sub 2 million player. lol

122

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 10:39

@119
Not sure if it takes that much guts from me to go bass williams. Made about 200.000 from Bass (think thats what he loses in the next two days). Williams will play some, has a good schedule, costs the minimum and I have still 3 trades left.
If someone knows more about bass or williams he can still try to talk that trade out of me.

123

Jeddi
ID: 91156614
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 10:45

i think Nelson to Kyle Lowry will be a good trade in a day or two...

124

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 11:12

Rotoworld doesn't think to highly about Williams. Keep in mind Troy Murphy is do back shortly as well.

125

angryChair
ID: 100501014
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 15:59

Yes, that rotoworld report sounds grim.

126

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 16:20

#123
Jeddi, you really sure you want to swap the clear-cut starting PG of an uptempo team with the best schedule for a piece of the Grizzlies' logjam at PG? Not the best plan from my point of view.

127

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 18:20

As a Pacer fan, I think Williams will get the time to contribute. He
can get steals and blocks too, so he doesn't have to score to be
effective.

128

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 18:43

I don't think the issue is his ability, but rather whether he will get enough PT. I at least need to see a game or two before I hop onto the next hilton armstrong.

129

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 19:43

126:

different story now with nelson inactive tonight

130

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 20:13

Perhaps. His status of being held out for "precautionary reasons" made me think it's a one-game thingy so I held. I'll re-evaluate tomorrow.

131

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 22:17

If Felton's injury is serious, McInnis will be another option

132

jedman
Dude
ID: 315192219
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 22:19

I'm about ready to blow up my whole team and start over. I'll have 7 trades tomorrow and I could conceivably use about 4 of them. Another great performance from Foyle, Delfino back to earth and I don't expect much from Douby. One or two of my studs just may need to go.

End of rant.

133

V-2
ID: 21731510
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 22:30

Ridnour getting minutes early in the 1st Q...that Wilkins kid will drop like a potato pretty soon (RV wise)

134

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 07:16

ok...

I think after tonight, I am going to trade LeBron down to Deron
Williams (change Brewer to Forward), Bass to Maxiell, and Diawara
to Antoine Wright...also considering Nelson to Bonzi if we have
another DNP.

I currently have 5 trades, and this would definitely be one of those
"Can I Right the Ship NOW" moments...

135

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 08:07

trading into Deron Williams on a short schedule situation doesn't seem the way to right the ship to me.

I don't love the other moves either. Bonzi Wells and Maxiell, it seems you are just evaluating based on their last game, because before that they were nothing special.

136

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 08:38

#134
Agree with qwert. Trading into schedules such as DET, HOU or UTA doesn't feel like righting the ship. You'll find yourself in need of righting the ship again by the weekend of 17/18 Nov. Only problem then is that none of us has the trades to right the ship every week... ;)

137

ki @ work
ID: 2836246
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 09:10

Rubalump,
Lebron has 4 games in the next 6 days... I think you will kick yourself if you miss out on those points this week... I would suggest you figure out your "Right the Ship" plan for 11/13, not today!

138

Headless Gunners
ID: 12723167
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 10:15

Utah's Sked not that bad - 8 games next 13 days

139

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 10:49

not saying utah's schedule is bad, but rather that it is short in terms of using trades to try to right the ship.

realistically, their schedule is only good for a couple days longer than cleveland's.

140

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 13:02

I am looking at other options...But it looks like it will only further
polarize my team...

Wells, Wright, and Maxiel seem like the best options...I may be able
to get those three without losing leBron...It will be tight, and
trading Nelson, Diawara, Bass to those three will be close money
wise...

I need to check if I can swing it today even, because it may be so
close, that it won't work tomorrow...

141

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 13:21

why do you see Wells as such a good option? as many single digits as 30+ and a pretty bad schedule.

i have maxiell and don't even see him as some kind of must have.

trades made in haste just lead to making more trades down the road.

I would start at square one and decide who HAS to go, which likely excludes Nelson, who sounds like he'll play tonight.

Anyway, just my opinion. I will now leave you to trade in peace.

142

ki @ work
ID: 2836246
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 14:45

sage advice qwert,
Yesterday I though going Armstrong to Maxiell today looked like a pretty sure move... but today after a mere mediocre game from Hilton; I think I'm opting to keep the trade!

143

angryChair
ID: 100501014
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 15:13

Will Harrison get minutes with Diogu out?

145

Skip To My Lou
ID: 538101711
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 15:40

Re: 143 ... this is my question. With Ike out, does that meaningfully enhance Harrison's value or does Shawne Williams become even more attractive?

I thought the Williams movers were a bit premature, but if Ike's injury opens up minutes for him, I think he could produce.

Does this change anyone else's opinion of Williams/Harrison/Indiana minutes?

One more caveat: Troy Murphy is also set to return.

146

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 15:40

nope...wait and see how the minutes pan out tonight, at the very least.

147

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 15:40

Absolutely agree with everything that qwert says in #141. Deciding on who HAS to go is way. And I also think that neither Nelson nor Armstrong do.

148

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 15:44

#145
Again exactly what qwert says. Let's wait at least until after tonight before committing to any of the cheap Pacers.

149

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 16:04

thanks for validating my rants Soulman.

now let's see if I can take my own advice and bank some trades.

150

V-2
ID: 21731510
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 16:17

Can McInnis be a solid contributor now that Felton's out?
I'm thinking of moving Nelson to McInnis or Webster. Any suggestions?

151

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 16:22

Felton doesnt sound like he will be out for long V2.

152

Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 16:24

Am I the only one not feeling the Shawne Williams love?

What am I missing here guys?

153

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 16:26

No Blooki you're not alone.

154

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 16:36

You're definitely not, Blooki.

155

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 17:19

Bass seems like a must go and so Diawara...but to do that with
any meaningful improvement, means downgrading somewhere,
Nelson, Lebron, Chris Paul, Boozer, or Howard are the only
options. Nelson is the one that seems easiest to move.

Maxiel and Wright look like must haves to me...they seem to be
getting real minutes, being productive, without depending on
injuries. With the money left I could get Webster, Azubuike,
Delfino, or Telfair...I am waiting to see what happens tonight,
but tomorrow I want both Maxiel and Wright...

I feel good about williams...

156

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 17:57

alright...i think you probably used similar logic to convince yourself to pick up Bass and Diawara, but I've given my opinion, so chaque un son gout.

157

skill
Donor
ID: 030105013
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 18:02

What do you think, will Kyle Lowry get out of gravity tonight?

158

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 18:39

Thanks Qwert

159

angryChair
ID: 100501014
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 18:46

Rub writes: Maxiel and Wright look like must
haves to me

Must haves! Seriosly?

160

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 18:52

I'd say there are at max 3 players who qualify as must-haves at this point of the season. But neither of them is named Maxiell or Wright.

161

jedman
Dude
ID: 315192219
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 19:07

After tonight's games I'm thinking
Kiri>Wright
Foyle>Haywood

I'll miss tonight's money, but I don't want to give up two games, even if one is from Foyle. That leaves me with Douby, but he showed a little life last night and Paul,Lebron, and Howard have been just too solid to get rid of.

162

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 21:37

158 Rubalamp
Hey brother..unlike most...I am with you with having no problem getting Utah players and holding for two weeks. Also New Orleans players are easy for me to have...although Paul has been with me.

I have A wright already and at Center...I drafted Ming and sold him after last nights game and on some teams I went with Howard and Haywood

I have drafted some players I am not proud of but at 500k I am not moving them... Douby, Hilton. Other roster spots that I am okay with are Gibson, and Brewer.
Here is one of my teams:
Gibson, Daniel 31 $3.36M
G Williams, Deron 0 $8.82M
G Douby, Quincy 24.5 $.50M
G Paul, Chris 65.5 $9.73M
F Brewer, Ronnie 0 $1.62M
F Boozer, Carlos 0 $9.51M
F Armstrong, Hilton 12 $.50M
F Wright, Antoine 34 $2.14M
C Haywood, Brendan 0 $4.08M
C Howard, Dwight 52.5 $10.16M

Keep in mind you DO NOT HAVE TO sell. If you can not decide then Hold brother till somethign good comes to you. By the way I solf Nelson on one team yesterday and now I see he is playing.

163

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Nov 08, 2007, 04:15

Definitevely no love for Shawne Williams but like my Bogans and Wright more and more everyday.

164

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Thu, Nov 08, 2007, 07:31

15 points out the gate at 500K...what do you guys expect from
these guys? He already outscored Armstrong for the season, right?

I only made 2 trades...See what Bass does tonight. have 2 mil left
to upgrade...and I kept Lebron.

165

Captain @ work
ID: 28250320
Thu, Nov 08, 2007, 22:03

Do you think that Tyrus Thomas is eating up Deng's stats this year a bit? He is underperforming a fair bit for what I thought he was worth and I'm wondering whether it's worth persisting with him this year at all.

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