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Subject: Nov 7th- Nov 13th Trades

Posted by: The Bandwagon - Donor [479521116] Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 11:40

We need some life around here. You guys are 3 days late on the thread ; )

I am happy this morning so far. I avoided Haywood on my "On-time" teams despite all the gains, and took Darko instead. After one game the points are in my favor, but the $ isn't. I felt I had to try something different, and take some early chances to hopefully make up for my horrible start.

Anyway I've got the Mempho cheap connection Gay/Darko, and avoided the Turks, Dunleavy's and the Haywoods. We'll see how it shakes out.

I still have Aldridge and AK-47, I guess I'll hold until there is a clear way out.

jedman in utah
ID: 531028822
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 11:58

I think Darko is a nice choice. If Haywood resorts to normal form, I hope Darko is center eligible by then and he would be a good choice I think. Last I checked he was F only.

I just hope my big guns Lebron,Howard, and Paul keep supporting the rest of my team. Delfino,A. Wright, Bogans,Webster,Brewer,Haywood,Granger don't strike a lot of fear in others. I have been happy with Webster,Brewer,Granger. I have no trades planned the rest of this week (yeh, right) and hope some patience with these guys will pay off. They all need some decent games to at least keep the money coming.

Not sure how patient managers will be with Haywood, especially with Darko potentially out there, if not already, at center.

angryCHAIRinOREGON
ID: 29955918
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 15:19

Here's to hoping Haywood was just hungover! :0)

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 17:26

The 13th is what I am waiting on...

I think I may move into Harrington and Azu that day...not sure for
who yet.

I could potentially trade Nelson, Williams, Bass, Haywood, or
Harrison...in some combination.

The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 21:21

Darko has started 3 games at center, so I assume he will be center eligible Sunday or Monday.

CJ
ID: 381013921
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 22:17

Gosh I sure hope so as I might have to send Haywood down the river. 7 TSNP ein't going to get it.

CJ
ID: 381013921
Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 22:44

Haywood is the top owned Center. Who is going to jump off the train?

Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 01:33

Harrison was the top owned center a couple of days ago. =P

JMISA
ID: 21056316
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 05:07

anyone thinking of trading wilkins soon he kinda sucks now

Headless Gunners
ID: 19282419
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 06:18

This jumping off is killing me.
Jumped off both AK47 (54) and Aldredge (57.5)
I'm making money but I'm getting killed

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 06:58

#8
Plus he was rumored to be dropped from the starting 5 a few days ago. He saved his skin for the Utah game but probably needs to be monitored closely.

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 08:35

Any Chance Bass gets C eligibility since he is backing up Diop?

CJ
ID: 381013921
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 08:45

Has TSN changed anyone's elgibility this year?

Ardsley Knicks
ID: 58937238
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 08:53

on replacing Haywood, I'd be shocked if there wasn't a huge move to Harrington on Wednesday...until then, if you have the xtra $$$, anyone notice what Aldredge has done the past two games?

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 09:01

#11
Not unless he starts five games as Center. Means zero chance.

CJ
ID: 381013921
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 09:08

13 Ardsley Knicks
Not waiting...Haywood sold x 3 to Harrison. Can not stand woody and really did not want him in the first place but it looked to good. Very impatient move but two games with him is enough. Pocketed the cash and moving on. Definetly need more opotion at C and when that happens get ready to unload Harrison as well.

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 09:17

so only starters get multiposition? how dumb.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 10:17

I'll hold Haywood for now and will move on after he has sucked against the Hawks. The currently available options are not too enticing IMO. Don't want to use two trades to get the C I really want in a few days.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 11:17

Soulman, who that C you really want in a few days? If he's the guy I'm guessing, do you think the end of suspension of a certain teammate might jeopardize his minutes/production?

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 13:08

It's no secret that Harrington is an interesting name for next week. And because of the different positions, I don't think he will be negatively affected by the end of Jackson's suspension. I rather believe SJax will push Azubuike back into the low teens. A bit similar to what I think Artest's return will do to the production of either Garcia or Salmons.

Jeddi
ID: 291151910
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 13:23

Surprised there is no Bynum love.

Ardsley Knicks
ID: 58937238
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 14:11

There would be Bynam love, except that he doesn't play until Tuesday (and Phil indicated that he will be playing Odom inside on offensive sets).....I'm sensing a big move into Rudy Gay (who has busted out big time his last two games). He could be the guy that gets all the Brewer buys when that train arrives at the station. Given the small price compression that has developed between Gay and Brewer, I'm sensing that time might have come!

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 14:23

still more than 2mil in difference, Gay will be popular today, but that doesnt really have anything to do with Brewer imho.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 15:03

I really feel Brewer could have a Biedrens effect and be more than holdable until the new year.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 16:26

Ardsley, it rather looks like you want to pick up Gay for Memphis' short schedule and don't have anybody else than Brewer to move... ;-)
Honestly, I'm completely with deejay and Senator that now isn't the time to move Brewer yet.

Headless Gunners
ID: 82213118
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 17:33

It'll be Wilkens -> Gay for many

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 17:37

Is there any word on when Dampier is coming back? I'd really like to pick up a 500k-esque player today from Foyle and Bass seems like a great option, but Dampier scares me. Any of you Dallas fans know if Bass is expected to keep his role?

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 17:41

Senator...There is Shawne Williams...if you fear Dampier, we know
Diogu is out at least a month.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 18:07

Yeah, I'm just concerned that Williams' minutes in yesterday's game stemmed from them getting beaten by a not-so-great team, as opposed to being a regular member of the rotation.

I could theoretically hold Foyle for another day to gather more information on Williams, but I think it's only going to cost me points and money if I end up deciding on Bass. I'm not expecting Foyle to have a break-out game against Phoenix, I'll be lucky to get an 8 TSNP turd out of him.

Unfortunately Orlando has the early game also, so I pretty much have to decide within the hour.

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 18:31

I am stuck with Williams and Bass for a while longer...

I just mapped out the trades I am making next week...I am getting
into Bynum and Harrington at my Center positions...

wongyjongy
ID: 381029522
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 18:36

Went Foyle to Bass

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 18:42

Right now I'm leaning towards holding since all three play tonight, and since there's a good number of teams playing. It would really suck to sell Foyle for one of the two, and then have an injury pop up somewhere that could alter things entirely.

Imagine if I took Bass right now, and then Jermaine goes down and Williams gets a big role. Or if I took Williams now and he stinks, I'm back to square one. I don't know. In five minutes I'll change my mind again probably.

wongyjongy
ID: 381029522
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 18:47

but bass = $$$ :)

i like foyle to bass. sticking to it.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 18:51

I'm with the Senator. Picture is way too blurry to be sacrificing games already (like e.g. Armstrong>Bass would be). Don't wanna end up with yet another wrong cheapie, so a few more days will hopefully provide sufficient info.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 18:52

Is there any word on when Dampier might be back?

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 18:57

Judged by how cruel this game is sometimes, I think he'll exactly be back when the Mavs schedule begins to be acceptable... ;)

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 18:57

he started with full practice on the 5th, thats all i know senator.

angryCHAIRinGUAM
ID: 29955918
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 19:03

Went to

Haywood>>>>>LA

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 19:06

I ended up holding, hopefully tonight will make things more clear and the money/point swing isn't too bad.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 21:49

Nice, Foyle gets a zero. I'm brilliant.

Trade burner
ID: 225302021
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 23:29

RE post 15

Ouch. You didn't lose on Haywood like others but you earned negative 3 pts for your trade.

Headless Gunners
ID: 19282419
Sat, Nov 10, 2007, 23:30

Like I said #25
Top Loser Wilkens (-180) -> Top Gainer Gay (+190)
would have netted you 370 and more points if he didn't sit 4th

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 01:06

Harrison with negative 3 points...geesh. Wednesday can't get here
soon enough.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 07:44

Uh oh, looks like there could be trouble on the horizon for several highly owned players:

Bass
Bogans
Garcia
Nelson
Webster

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 08:39

I am thinking of doing some trading now...I fear that all the gains
on harrison will be lost today...

Boozer to David West
Harrison to Bynum tonight
wait to trade Haywood to Harrington
and Lebron to Kobe...

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 09:21

43

but there might be good news for another one...
VC down

Bond, James Bond
ID: 28102870
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 09:23

re 43...LOL...losing a maximum of 190k on Bass wouldn't be that big a deal. He's still low enough in price that most people will hold on IMHO.

However, I do beleive that the ground Bogans is standing on is shaking and he may see a substantial loss in the next few days. He seems to be very popular and last night's "performance" can make many shaky...including me! I sold him for Shawnie Williams.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 09:37

#45
That's right, good news for Jefferson and Wright. Wish I had him. ;)

#46
Correct, it's not like Bass can drop a ton. I don't have him, so I just decided that with Dampier looming, I'm not gonna pick him up for now.

wongyjongy
ID: 141035113
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 10:57

One of my team, I went

Nash -> Kobe Bryant
Marion -> David West.

I already have Chris Paul on this team. Kobe doesn't play until the 13th, so I feel like it's inefficient to use up a trade to have 11.5 million player not play for a two days, but I just couldn't find anyone else.

I haven't even seen David West play. NO schedule is great but I feel like this guy could be inconsistent and could be a bust. He's not cheap either at 8.18 million.

Maybe it should also be mentioned that both players are in gravity, although I expect this to stop soon.

I thought about going Andrew Bynum instead of David West, as I feel Bynum would gain more money. but with Odom coming back it just doesn't feel right. Here are the rest of my team...

Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul
Jameer Nelson
Bogans
David West
Bass
Armstrong H.
Brewer
Przybilla
Howard. D

What do you thinK?

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 11:02

Now that Dampier is coming back it's probably not safe to buy Bass today.

I feel like I really do need to lose Foyle though, and unfortunately I have 0 dollars in the bank.

It seems like my best options (and in general, cheapie options) are:

A. Udrih (just one game, but he has to get the minutes, and in the past has done pretty well TSNP/Min-wise, right?)

B. Louis Williams (hopefully earning himself more time, I wish Philly would just drop the charade of playing for this season and give him more time)

C. Shawne Williams (though yesterday the hot start followed by disappearing kind of worries me)

Any Toronto fans know if this Moon character is the real deal?

What are you guys in similar situations planning on doing?

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 11:06

I should note that in the case of Williams, I'd need a 180k window to hold until my moves Tuesday. Something I don't think is possible with the inevitable mass exodus out of Haywood/Harrison today into one or two other center options.

Allwell
ID: 24924190
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 11:22

what are the center options? I need to find 1 today so I have the position flex to move camby to garnett in a few days... Leaning towards Kaman even though they dont have a great schedule. Any thoughts?

Allwell
ID: 24924190
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 11:28

even thinking about a hilton armstrong to Ryan Hollins move... Just for the position flex, and the fact I know he cant go down in value... I wish KG had center eligibility (or maxiell, or armstrong, or bass)

Ardsley Knicks
ID: 58937238
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 12:56

# 51 - Big Z plays Sun & Mon & has been playing very well.

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 13:19

49

I would wait on Moon for another couple games. He'll get minutes while this lineup is successful, but the toronto minutes are pretty fluid, given their depth.

It can be Moon, Delfino, Kapono or whoever from one game to the next.

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 13:57

Why Are you worried about Shawne Williams??? What do you expect
from a 500K guy?

He has played in three games with a low of 15 and a high of 22.
An average of 18. Seems like a pretty stinking good value for
500K, or even 540K now. Bass is the only one at the price that has
performed better and it isn't even close.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 14:25

#48
wongyjongy, though I personally tend to prefer mid-priced players over full-scale barbelling, I like your roster. Only Bogans might need to be dropped soon due to his combination of high ownership and sucking. West at $8+ mil is a tad too expensive for my taste but could pan out if he goes nuts.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 14:36

#49
Senator, Udrih or Louis don't look like stable options to me. I don't have Foyle, but I still have Armstrong who I would like to get rid of soon for an actual contributor. I'll wait a few more games and see what surfaces on Shawne or Moon. Right now I feel both IND and TOR are way too deep for either of them to have actual value. But we all know it takes only one tweaked ankle the change the entire landscape. So I'm prepared to endure every single digit game that Armstrong throws at us and only jump ship if there's a convincing exit route.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 14:41

#52
Allwell, I drafted Hollins and I can tell you it was not pretty. If you're looking for TSNP and money, don't get him. If however you need a price-stable C-eligible name to fill your 10th slot without spending money or being in danger of actually accumulating TSNP ;), he's your man.

Allwell
ID: 24924190
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 16:12

It turns out kaman is my man after all, I think he will be the top price mover today. With kaman scheduled to play GS next week I think one can almost be assured of a 20 rebound game.Cant deal with hollins total lack of production, and so I am in the hold armstrong camp for now...
I like the big z suggestion, but no.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 16:20

Soulman, yeah that's the approach I'm taking with Armstrong also. I'm just pretending he's not there, and viewing any points at all from him as a bonus since he's not hurting me money-wise.

Foyle though still can lose a lot, and I need to make a downgrade in order to afford Kobe/Bynum on Tuesday. There is the option of passing on Kobe and getting Baron instead, but Bynum really solves the center issue. A week from this Tuesday a mass exodus from Howard and Aldridge would not surprise me at all.

Right now I'm leaning slightly towards Udrih because:
- he's a guard
- first night back and already played a lot of minutes
- only pure point guard on their roster
- historically he's had a very good tsnp/min ratio

I'm not sure what to do really. I don't feel good about any of the moves really, especially since Kirilenko would be involved in my Kobe swap and he's an absolute monster lately. I feel like skipping Kobe though is just asking for it.

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 16:48

I really wanted to trade Jameer Nelson this morning but kept popping up near the top of the sortables. I didn't see any other good options so I'll just hope for decent production with that dense schedule.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 17:01

#59
To be honest, it would surprise me if Kaman was one of the top price movers today. I can see him appear in tomorrow's price movers list though. But not on the side you probably would like him to see... ;)

#60
Senator, I can see your point with Foyle as understandably it hurts to see him lose money every day. I'm not convinced that Udrih is the solution but right now I don't see a good alternative either.

Personally, I'm gonna skip Kobe, as my utter inaptness to build RV makes it nigh impossible to work an $11m player into my roster right now. I probably will also skip Bynum, as I don't like the combination of the Zen Master's plans with Odom down low and the fact that even without this, Bynum has only averaged 23 minutes per game so far.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 17:20

Yeah, there is the option of skipping Kobe/Baron entirely and keeping Kirilenko, moving Iverson into Harrington, and upgrading Foyle to a guard of some sort. It just seems that historically when I've tried to do this I get punished (most infamously the Antonie Walker with Dallas over Duncan year). I've been awful with FV this year so far also, but Kobe and Bynum will probably be top, if not the top, gainers. I do have the same concerns with Bynum, but I remember last year I thought the same thing and hesitated, and Bynum ended up going off while I was stuck with a faltering Mikki Moore.

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 17:50

Well, I may just hold Haywood...not sure he will do enough worse
than Harrington to justify the trade.

Maybe I will go back to Howard from LeBron...I have a couple days
to decide.

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 17:54

Eventhough Bynum is not playing 25+ minutes he is worth the price and makes the best of his time on the court. Just think of when he gets those nights where he gets 35 minutes.

Trade burner
ID: 225302021
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 18:03

Anyone else hoping that mass owners will sell Haywood? From what I see, Haywood has 4 30+ pt games vs. 2 15 pt games. The last I checked he was about $4 mil which equals a pretty darn good pts per million avg. He is one of few big men in Was and should see plenty of playing time each game. So with that said, I see my team moving up the ranks as people jump to Bynum hopefully, a back-up who gets about 23 minutes a game. I sure Bynum will NEVER have a poor outing so he is great trade right now.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 18:44

well theres always penny, senator :)

Rip
ID: 221061118
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 19:06

#41

Top Loser Wilkens (-180) -> Top Gainer Gay (+190)
would have netted you 370 and more points if he didn't sit 4th

Amazing how many people still don't understand the reality of the situation. By making that trade you didn't increase your RV by 370K. You increased it by 190K.

If you started with 53,000,000 you would have 53,190,000 instead of 52,820,000 for only a gain of 190K in RV.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 19:18

u have 370k more FV than had you no u not made the trade....

reebbertxx2001
Sustainer
ID: 561124720
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 19:54

68> RV means nothing if you give it all away and fail to bank it. Amazing how you don't understand the reality of that.

Geesh
ID: 151051119
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 20:05

70

Amazing you didn't understand Rip's post. I don't see anywhere where he said banking RV is not important. All he did was state a fact. You only made 190K on the transaction. He didn't say you shouldn't have made the trade. People think they made 370K by making the trade. Wrong...you made 190K...end of story. Maybe you should understand someone's post first before you criticize it.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 20:07

71

did you see the post rip was referring to? he didn't get that one

the wilkins to gay move did result in a +370 NET gain

The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 20:10

SU, I did the Bogans to Beno swap today. I read the Sac. Bee and it sounded like they love him. He should get decent minutes, and hopefully produce.

Game wise its not a great trade, but should atleast save my team RV losses.

Headless Gunners
ID: 19282419
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 20:25

Rip:
Your math is off
You said:
If you started with 53,000,000 you would have 53,190,000 instead of 52,820,000 for only a gain of 190K in RV

You left out the 180 you would have lost for the 370 net gain.

I failed to also mention that
-Wilkens was about to lose his starting job
-Gay would outscore him
-Gay with better sked
plus what I could do with the 370 extra later on

Plus of course...It made me #1 in overall RV (At least for now)

slick
ID: 1110591119
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 20:59

#74...What is so difficult to understand the concept of this. Lets take a real transaction and work through it. Say you have a RV of $53,000,000 and no reserve in the bank. You own Wilkens who was at $4,820,000. You now trade Wilkens for Gay who at the time was $4,070,000. You have $52,250,00 being used and now you have $750,000 in your bank. The price changes occur. (Assume everybody on your team stayed the same except Gay for this example.) Now you have $52,440,000 in play and still have $750,000 in your bank. $52,440,000 plus $750,000 gives you a total of $53,190,000 in total RV. Tell me exactly where Rips math is off. Seems like some solid analysis to me.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 21:07

had u held Wilkins you would of lost 180k giving you an RV of 52,820,000.

So as a result of the trade you are at 53.19 instead of 52.82 a net gain of .370k

Isnt this just semantics?

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 21:10

Thanks for the newspaper info Bandwagon, I'm joining you in The Beno Udrih Challenge x3.

Rich
ID: 141091016
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 21:13

dpr,

You started the day at 53M!! You didn't start at 52.82M.
Now you are at 53.19M. You gained 190K from one day to the next.

The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 21:14

You're welcome SU. Did you dump Bogans, or someone else for Beno?

You and Dave R are on the top of my cheatsheet for GMD ;)

reebbertxx2001
Sustainer
ID: 561124720
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 21:32

78> If you did not trade Wilkens you would have ended the day at 52.82. The net gain is .370k no matter how you look at it. We are just splitting hairs here.

Headless Gunners
ID: 19282419
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 21:34

Rich
you might have started the day at 53,000,000
but without the trade, you would have ended the day at 52,800,000.
If you are inevitably going to trade out of Wilkins, you will thus no longer have the extra 180,000 that he lost.
The 190 you gained PLUS the 180 you didn't lose
HELLO, why is this concept so difficult.
Why do you think people trade one player for another.
Very often not only to gain, but not to lose.
Do we get this yet ?

Headless Gunners
ID: 19282419
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 21:36

By the way
This just in:
Wilkins with 15 TSNP first quarter

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 21:45

we are not talking about what you gained from one day to the next but what you gained as a result of the trade. Consider a similar example. I start the day with 0 points. Today I had Ming on my team but this morning I inexplicably traded him for Brezec. Per your logic this trade netted me 5 points as I had zero before and 5 points now. Would u really argue that? Seems pretty clear in this case i Lost 49.5 points (54.5 - 5). The examples mirror each other.

TK
ID: 3610591120
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 21:59

dpr

your logic is flawed beyond belief.

dont be late for the short yellow bus in the morning.

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 23:24

Haywood lost 70K on a day he played...wow.

Hedo and Nelson both had sellers as well, hopefully not just
because of their bad outing last game...

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Sun, Nov 11, 2007, 23:29

And I did not contribute to that. I sold two days ago.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 09:26

This article raves about how much Udrih played made the Kings offence a lot better in the last game compared with others.

"Although Theus said Sunday that Francisco García will retain his starting spot, the long-term plan almost certainly will include the recently signed Udrih playing significant minutes even after Bibby returns in approximately two months. The need is great for the fourth-year player's point guard abilities, with the Kings desperate to find a way to move the ball at a faster pace and create easier shots than the current approach affords."

And he apparently was playing in crunch time in the last game.

I'm considering Bogans > Beno, who's with me?

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 10:24

Count me in, along with Haywood -> Someone

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 10:30

Don't have Bogans, but I'll definitely join Haywood>Someone.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 10:31

Someone has C eligibility and plays in LA or GS, haven't decided yet.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 10:34

Eventually Someone should be from LA, knowing I will acquire Someone #2 tomorrow as well.

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 10:34

why sell haywood just for the sake of selling...i know he had two bad games, but come on...who is the center you are going to pick up that won't have two bad games? plus, including his two days off, haywood has 11 games in the next 20 nights.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 10:37

#90
LOL, my someone plays in GS because I don't want to be pondering in a few days who to get from the LA someone, after he has failed to outplay the other two someones in their timeshare situation created by some coach... ;)

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 10:44

I'm going to hold Haywood x 3. I know Bynum and Harrington will be popular choices but I'm not sure Bynum is an upgrade to Haywood given he's not a starter and LA big men are getting healthy.

The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 10:58

Pica, you're a day late on the Bogans to Beno bandwagon. Post 73, ;)

I'm skipping Bynum also. Kwame's been out 2 games and coach Phil, (which by the way is the most over rated coach) started Mihm over Bynum. Talk about insulting!

Is it just me, or does Phil Jackson remind anyone of Larry Brown, and his hatred of young up and coming players?

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 11:03

#92
Haywood has lost 170k on Saturday, 50k on Sunday, a day he was playing. He's still top-owned center if TSN data is correct, has now 2 days off when similar priced alternative and attractive options are starting good schedules.
I don't have a magic ball but certainly don't want to experiment the combined 500k I suspect he will have lost by Wednesday. We would be in February, I hold in a heartbeat. We're in November, I sell.

#93
The beauty of getting both Someone #1 and Someone #2 is that Someone #3 doesn't have to be C Eligible when you look for a replacement of Someone #1 or 2# after their crappy play. That's said, if both Someone #1 and #2 play poorly, Someone #4 will need to be C eligible which means that both Someone #1 and #2 were mistakes if we get to that point. I may also reevaluate Someone #1. I'm sure someone will get that paragraph.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 11:06

It's kind of hard to dodge all the losers, at least on my roster ;)

I'm all for the money, but Bogans to Udrith seems as lateral as it gets, and crappy lateral to boot. Projected over the next three weeks Bogans outpoints Udrith, and if you use 7 day averages ( which includes 2 clunkers for Bogans ), he outpoints Udrith by nearly 50 points.

And if it's all about the money, I hope a trade is saved for Webster, and even for Brewer in a week.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 11:16

#96
Haha, I got the paragraph. But doesn't this bring us back to the intial question whether it wouldn't be best to only pick up someone who's not bound to be a mistake by what we know today?

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 11:17

Yes!

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 11:22

Very good, that surely was some discussion! :)

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 11:23

Dave is right! Won't sell haywood today, because he's a center. Won't sell bogans today because he's cheap. Maybe they will lose something today, or even tomorrow, but then the bleeding is over. And who knows, if they put up solid games they could rise again. Webster, Brewer, and even Paul are better Canditates to cash my money next week!

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The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 11:24

I totally agree with you that Bogans to Beno is lateral, and I agree you can't dodge all the $$ losers. Out of the 3 players you mentioned, Bogans, Webster, Brewer, I'll gladly take the $$ hits on Brewer and keep him while I dump Bogans and Webster.

In my teams case, I've already suffered big hits on AK-47 and Aldridge, and didn't want to take another hit on Bogans.

If I remember correctly, last week alot of managers did a Ak-47 to Wilkens lateral. Hopefully the Bogans to Beno lateral doesn't cost me as many points as that one did other managers last week. ;)

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 11:31

BTW Gescom - good to see you back on the boards after your quiet last season! As a distant spectator, I see you have some battle going on at the top of the standings in our league. :)

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 11:32

96,

500K? i think that's a little dramatic. wouldn't almost everyone who is selling him, sell him today? i could easily see him as the top loser tonight at 170-190, but i would think the following day it would be significantly less. i definitely don't think he will lose 250 a day.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 11:35

#102
My guess is Brewer's not really going to drop the next few days. Sunday after his B2B is when the floodgates will open.

106

dpr
ID: 1733917
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 11:41

104 i think he was including wednesday price changes so 170k a day. Still high I would think but more plausible

107

dpr
ID: 1733917
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 11:45

How important is Kobe?

Tomorrow i will have the funds available to go to him from RJ but this doesn't gain a game for 2 weeks (still gain 100 points int hat period). RJ has been so good to sell this early tho.

The alternative for the extra money if not Kobe would be Wilkins to Baron at the end of the week or many spread out somehow if I sell Brewer than too.

Right now Im leaning towards going Kobe. Is it crazy to trade out of RJ at this point?

108

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 11:49

@102 and 105
Brewer will suffer price hits from tuesday ongoing, he's the most owned player, almost every team has him. So this will be drop by drop after tomorrows game!

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 11:58

#104
I think Gescom meant all price changes since Haywood began bleeding. Meaning Sat -170, Sun -50, today -190 and tomorrow -90 or so. Which would sum up to his prediction of -500k overall.

#107
Right now it looks a bit crazy to me but only time will tell. If Kobe completely goes nuts it could work out. Personally, I have way too many weak positions to even be touching a rock-solid performer as Jefferson. But then again, I also don't have any intention to add the Mamba.

#108
Agreed. But not in the amounts that make me want to drop him for some of the more than dubious replacement options currently available.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 12:08

The amount, soulman, will depend on how long you hold brewer! ;-)

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 12:15

LOL, point is taken. But I've only got one team so it's not me dictating the price movers... :)

112

turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 12:16

The Lakers situation in the frontcourt is complicated. Now Kwame Brown is back too and will start tomorrow:

15 healthy players in L.A.

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Allwell
ID: 24924190
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 13:33

kobe will be a popular move and is a loooong hold. Im even thinking of going C. Paul to Kobe tomorrow... They have the same number of games for a while, but then I would need to ditch Paul anyway. Not so sure cuz I also want KG

114

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 13:35

Unless Kobe gets traded...

115

Allwell
ID: 24924190
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 13:43

good call DR, but big time trades seem to increase players fantasy value (at least in terms of $$$)

116

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 13:52

I was mostly referring to him getting traded to someone with a sparse schedule, he may not be such a loooong term hold

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Dunkenstein
Leader
ID: 039541913
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 14:32

Another thing to consider when deciding whether or not to buy Bynum is that his games on Tuesday and Wednesday are at San Antonio and Houston.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 15:25

Continued by Detroit, Chicago and Indiana. Also teams which are not exactly known for particularly soft interior players.

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Rubalamp
ID: 459143012
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 15:26

Ummm...I beg to differ. Indiana is known for only one thing SOFT everything...Anybody want Jermaine for a pack of bubble gum and a pet rock?

120

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 15:50

Who loses more money tonight, Hill or Bogans?

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 15:55

#119
No problem, please do differ. What I wanted to say is that there are teams/matchups against which Bynum has a better chance of performing well than against JermO/Foster/Murphy, all of which I see as decent rebounders. But maybe I'm wrong, we'll know on the 20th.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 16:54

#104, 106, 109
500K overall since Saturday is what i meant.

I see no love for Odom here. No one tempted ?

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Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 17:14

Re: 123

Nope. =P

As of now, I'm skipping all Lakers.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 17:19

Same here, no Lakers for me right now.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 17:27

I really miss RSF's ownership numbers. No way to see if a player is about to escape gravity or not.

127

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 17:36

Anyone considering Wright with the latest info on Vince? Wright is almost assured a start tonight and with Carter's track record, who knows how long he may be out for. At 2.29 and G/F flex, I can see him making a lot of money out of the Bogans/Webster/Brewer sellers. Thoughts?

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 17:45

Wright was already a decent option with RJ and VC in. Without one of them, he's even more interesting.
Disclaimer: he's been on my teams since 11/03.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 18:03

Wright is intriguing for sure but who knows how long VC will be out. I think I read one report saying it *could* be one game only. Anyway, my fear is a quick price gain and an ever quicker selloff to conserve it, so I think I have to force myself to resist temptation this time.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 18:15

I see your point SOulman, however, as Gescom pointed out, he was a solid option even when VC was healthy...I have an hour to decide but leaning to

Haywood & Bogans - Harrington & Wright.

How much do you think Haywood and Bogans lose this week, because I would love to hold?

Do you think Haywood will stop losing money on Wednesday because as of then his schedule is the best in the league and I'm thinking of holding.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 18:22

low trading could be a big hit tonight.
haywood>harrington 3x for me.

132

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 18:22

I'm with you Soulman on Wright.

I'm planning on picking up Harrington, and possibly Baron also. I'm still debating whether I should get Kobe or Baron, or even both somehow but Baron late.

The thing I don't like about it is that no matter what the only way I can get Harrington is by selling either Aldridge or Kirilenko. If this were February I wouldn't make this move 99 out of 100 times, but it's feeling necessary this early and already being so behind in RV. Not only that, but in order to maximize the gains (Harrington could easily be up around 400k in three days) I'd have to sacrifice a game 3 Aldridge games for 2 Harrington's.

There's no good way to swing it I think.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 18:29

#130
Yeah, I admit that if I had Bogans, my temptation for Wright would be even greater. Luckily, I only have Haywood to ditch and his replacement clearly is Harrington so I don't have room for Wright anyway.

As for the losses, I see Haywood drop a combined -300k today, tomorrow and on Wednesday (when the already tradeless managers have 4 new to blow). After that the bleeding will stop provided he performs OK on Wednesday. Another 'Haywood'- performance like we are used to from previous seasons and the exodus will continue.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 18:35

Senator, what about moving Iverson>Harrington tomorrow and then getting Baron from AK later? Sure you miss out on some initial gains but at least you're not sacrificing games.

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Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 19:03

Yeah I think I'm going to do something like that - view it as Baron games instead of Harrington games but still move from Aldridge.

I'll grab either Baron or Harrington tomorrow from Iverson (whichever one I think will make more money, as of now probably Harrington) and then move Aldridge for the other, and in theory take "2 Baron games + a lot of money over 3 Aldridge games". Or I could wait if I want to play it conservatively.

The only downside is no Kobe. That's never fun, but I don't think I can get him without giving up Kirilenko or passing on Harrington, without the games lost total being too much.

I think I'm going to sacrifice Maxiell's Tuesday game. Given the more attractive options (who I'm probably not taking today, I'm going to go for a sleeper instead), Maxiell could lose a lot tonight and then more tomorrow too. This early in the season and after my rough start, I think I have to make the sacrifice, given I've officially declared Maxiell as poop.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 19:10

Maxiell is going today for me, he sucks.
Leaning towards Udrih...

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 19:14

other possibility is a trip to the Moon.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 19:18

Which like a real trip to the moon could either give you glory or nausea... ;)

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 19:21

its a cheap trip and i cant lose any money :)

140

C. Bird
ID: 28902917
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 19:24

I moved Webster for Wright yesterday. Wright was doing fine with VC in the lineup and VC's track record makes me think he will be out a while.

I have also been against moving Haywood until today. Losing 50K on a day he plays coupled with a light trading day has convinced me to move him. I also think that $$ is going to play a bigger roll this year than it has in years past due to the way TSN priced players.

I am moving Haywood > Harrington x 5

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 19:27

True that, deejay. Have a good trip and take some photos when you're up there! :)

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 19:28

Moon is the true risk/reward player. His athleticism and defence is such that he will likely perform when he gets playing time, in the way of rebounds, blocks and steals...but the depth of toronto and glut of swingmen that should be ahead of him on the depth chart means that he could DNP-CD you in a heart beat.

I think udrih is safer...i THINK

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 19:28

not sure if i am going heh soulman. :)

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 19:30

143

toronto has the better sked tho, and if udrih doesnt pan out, then it will be a short stay.
but still seem to prefer udrih.

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reebbertxx2001
Sustainer
ID: 561124720
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 19:33

The -190k is going to hurt tonight on Haywood, but I'm going to hold. He is the best C option in his price range and can be held until 12/02. I picked up Harrington from other players(Maxiel/Webster) so that should at least dampen the rv hit.

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Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 20:56

I'm starting to shaken a bit with all the Haywood talks. My RV is already horrible and can't stand another massive hit. Conventional wisdom says the return of Jackson will likely push Azubuike back to the bench but Nelson as we all know is anything but conventional.

2 hours to make up my mind.

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 21:07

I've already been shaken into submission.

I think it's crazy, but I traded Haywood...with almost two hours to undo. Still have 400K in profits to protect...even after the last couple days of losses.

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Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 21:16

who did you get for Haywood qwert? Harrington or Bynum?

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The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 21:22

I think I'm taking that trip to the moon after Martells game tomorrow if Beno does well tonight.

Sam Mitchell loves defense, Moon is full of it, and Kapono/Juan Dixon lack it. Everything I've read on Moon is positive, and I just watched some highlights. The kid looks good, and he tries to pattern his game after Scottie Pippen. I think he gets real minutes from here on out for the Raps.

Without taking Moon, my options from Aldridge/Martell look awful. By taking Moon from Martell, Aldridge can turn into Kobe or Baron.

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 21:23

Harrington.

Not sure his production will be any better than Haywood's, but he'll get more minutes than Bynum and has the best schedule of the three.

...like I'll actually hold him for 4 weeks

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Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 21:26

Man, looks like everyone is bailing on Haywood. I'm guessing a +350k swing from Haywood to Bynum or Harrington tonight.

153

Headless Gunners
ID: 19282419
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 22:17

I was hangin' on to Haywood but you've all scared me off, sold x3

154

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 22:20

why is everyone selling Haywood????

155

jedman
Dude
ID: 315192219
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 22:22

I also was going to hold Haywood, but it seems crazy now as we try to build RV. I'm 80k short of getting Harrington from Webster and don't think moving Granger just to hold Haywood makes any sense. Those are my options short of moving Howard, which I don't plan on doing.

Lebron>Kobe tomorrow and hope Webster can do a little better and avoid the selling.

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Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 22:27

I think I am stuck with him...everyone sells tonight. I might as well
hold him for the duration of his schedule and hope he kicks butt to
make you lemmings pay...;-)

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 23:10

Haywood down 180...Bynum up 170, Harrington up 150.

158

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 23:54

Yep...Lot of panic sellers I think...I thought I was bad.

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 00:02

not sure it was all panic sellers. panic sellers got the ball rolling on saturday and sunday, but i think most people posting on this thread just weren't willing to take the $ hit.

when there are big profits to lose, patience at the beginning of the game has to be used carefully. it can be just as detrimental as a quick trigger.

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Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 00:55

Thanks AI for the nice goodbye gift. Going to package with Gibson for a combination of GS and Memphis guys.

161

JMISA
ID: 21056316
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 03:35

160:
the only MEM player worth taking is rusy gay IMO and with the GS guy i would jus pick harrington as a solid pick .... i'd pass on Kelinzu Aifidfiasdhfiu since stephen jackson is comin back and likely to take his spot and i feel like baron davis is too whack to lock 10 million into for that long .. there are so many other options if your going to trade tommorrow ... like kobe, d howard if you don't have him for some reason or even KG if you can afford him

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Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 04:39

161: Thanks for the tip...

I'm deciding on the following combo:
A. Wright Kobe
B. Gay Baron

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Florian
ID: 167272717
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 09:57

Will be trading Iverson today. Don't have enough money to upgrade to Kobe. My plan was to trade to Baron Davis, but considering he always seems to get hurt I am considering buying Rudy Gay (or Bynum) instead and using the money to upgrade someone else next week (not sure whom).

Today's Contra Costa Time reports:
Notes: Davis did not practice for a third consecutive day, working with strength and conditioning coach John Murray instead. Nelson revealed that Davis had been suffering from swelling in his left knee after taking a hard fall during Thursday's loss to the Mavericks. "If it hadn't have been for these five days off, I don't think he could have played probably until maybe (Tuesday) anyway," Nelson said, who hopes Davis can practice today. Team spokesmen had said previously that Davis was being held out to afford him some rest after playing all but four seconds Thursday. After Nelson's comment, athletic trainer Tom Abdenour said through a spokesman that Davis suffered a contusion to his knee and that the swelling was "nothing out of the ordinary." Davis said that he would be available to play 48 minutes, if necessary, on Wednesday.

I'd be happy to consider any advice.

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Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 10:16

I'm in the same situation as well, and leaning towards the Rudy Gay, Baron Davis combo, as I think both would gain more money than Kobe and Wright. In the above quote "Davis said that he would be available to play 48 minutes", so I'm taking it on face value and assume he'll play and hold my breath.

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ki @ work
ID: 2836246
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 11:11

I think I'm making the money moves today out of Lebron and Gibson... I think they are decent points holds next week but this weeks 2 games in 7 days is going to kill them money wise! I can do Kobe and get to pick from another sub $5.0M guy.... Since the Harrington (GS) and Gay (Mem) money trains have already left the station; and I added Troy Murphy yesterday; I think I'm leaning toward Haslem today.. wish me luck!

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ki @ work
ID: 2836246
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 11:22

I think Wright is going to be very good with Carter out.... I would go Kobe/Wright over Baron/$5M(pick-em?)!

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Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 14:01

I had some trades lying around and some guys who needed to go so I blew my team up:

Gibson -> Gay
Boozer -> Shawne Williams
Maxiell -> Murphy
Ilgauskas -> Harrington

Then I looked and realized I had some extra cash I didn't want to sit on so, for Blooki, I went Armstrong -> Garnett

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 14:06

warning:

some so called managers are gonna sell brewer today.

bah.

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Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 14:44

Taking a page from Rendle's playbook.

Brewer => Garnett x15

Best of luck to the holders.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 14:49

something else, I found this today...

At this minute Stephon was not at practice and his whereabouts are unknown. He went AWOL and will be fined.

Says the organization is no longer staying behind him.

Isiah says they want him on the team and he'll be fined.

Marbury is probably not starting and may not even be at the game. Says if Marbury doesn't start then he might cause a lot of problems.

IT also said Curry might not start based on performance.

Randolph will not be at the game.

Mardy Collins will start at PG tonight.

Oh my Knicks....

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jedman
ID: 59012312
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 16:35

70K short of going Webster>Gay, should have thought about doing that last night.
Lebron>Kobe has been done. I suppose I could get Baron instead of Kobe, but I don't trust his health with the minutes Nellie has been playing him. I guess I'll just stick it out with Webster for now. Granger>Gay seems lateral.

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JMISA
ID: 21056316
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 23:13

can i ask why noone has given consideration for theo ratliff 26+ pts/gm 1.9m and greg bucner 900k (21pt/gm) they hava decent schedule if u pick it up tommorrow

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 23:28

given big time consideration

174

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 00:11

I have been watching Buckner...but I am wondering why people are
selling out of Brewer.

I am thinking my purchase of David Waste was a bad move. May
spread his money out or up...I don't know. Could get Buckner for
Bass if I move Brewer to Forward.

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JMISA
ID: 21056316
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 00:28

idk bout buckner ... espn.com has him as a 3rd stringer but theo ratliff seems prety solid and his pts/cost ratio is unmatched except for brewer im almost positive of goin webster > ratliff tommorrow even if i lose a game this week i jus wish more people would know about it so i can make that $$$$

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