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Subject: Nov 14th---Nov 20th trades

Posted by: Bond, James Bond - Donor [04352469] Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 02:13

Time to start anew.

Looks like a lot of trading into LA and GState players. Might even get a nice return of Bogans with Orlando's nice schedule.

S. Jackson should be back soon with GState and R. Artest is scheduled to return later tonight with the Kings. Reckon that's bad news for Garcia owners.

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 02:19

Isn't tonights good performance from Bogens from a blowout? I did not watch the game but thought that was where his increase in minutes came from?
And Buckner looked to be a good pickup, but now I read he is sick.

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 03:28

okay here is a scenario that I am nto sure which is better:
Sell
D Williams and a F like maxiell
Move to
GARNETT and a 500k Guard The 500k Guard is the tuff option for me.

The simulator gives me 200 more points over two weeks with Buckner at G.
A will KG really average 62 TSNP a game and wil Buckner average 20 TSNP a game. Deron probably will average above his current output of 34 TSNP.
Thoughts

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 04:00

@1
No, it was Ariza who profited from the blowout. Bogans had his 29 points already in the 3rd quarter (look at action thread)!
I wonder how long people can resist the price and schedule of bogans ;-), oh and by the way did someone notice that there's a center under 4 million, who averages almost 30 tsnp/g and he's not called bynum or harrington and has almost the exact schedule. Think his name was B. Knockonwood or something similar.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 04:02

Oh and forgot to say he's not that widely owned :-)

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 04:08

Tryin to pimp your boys Bogans and Haywood, are we Dilo? ;)))

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 04:16

oh, you don't have them, do you? ;-))

12th man
ID: 451055110
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 04:21

Any love for Devin Harris? Only 3 games this week but could be a 3 week hold after that at least.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 04:26

@8 thought about him, maybe tomorrow from webster

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 04:31

#7
Arrr, no I don't. Which may be part of the reason why I also don't have the $2m extra FV that you have over me... ;) Nice start, Dilo!

#8
He's on my radar. But not for today or tomorrow. Perhaps Saturday or Tuesday.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 04:34

What a mess this is two weeks into the season. The studs with guaranteed production are not affordable. The medium-tier players display utter instability by going 50 on one night, 12 the next. And all cheapies are painfully inconsistent at best. Or downright poop as Senator so correctly illustrated.

I'm inclided to do nothing today and wait for the landscape emerging by today's abundance of games. That will hopefully provide some much-need extra info on who's to hold and who's to get.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 04:52

Then there's the Knicks soap opera to monitor as well.

JMISA
ID: 21056316
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 05:25

need to get rid of webster as im sure most people do ... my problem is noone off the bat to package with him so basically deciding between ratliff ... kelinzu awiandsh .... or as some said devin harris what is everyone else's take on the webster move

deejay
ID: 191051143
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 05:51

on webster?

to hold him today, they were playing detroit(and he did play 35min), azubuike is very interesting yes, but first want to see a game with Jax in it, before jumping to Azu.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 06:04

Holding Webster for sure. Like deejay said he logged good minutes in the last game despite subpar performance, I wouldn't bail on him, yet.

JMISA
ID: 21056316
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 06:11

i guess your right .... i traded pryzbillia like 5 days ago and right when i did he stopped bleeding $$ actually gained a lil back and then put up solid #s ... my main concern is that my FV has been taking a beating and wanted to bank the half mill i made on webster and since there are so many options at his range that will probably be top gainers starting tommorrow it seemed worth the trade

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 08:10

Gave up on David West...traded down to get Jefferson...

Now I have almost 3 mil in the bank, but can't justify moving
anyone. with new trades I fear Haywood losing even more tonight,
since nearly everyone plays.

Tower
ID: 3910491311
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 10:22

Which one should I get tonight: Ratliff, Buckner, Wright, Moon, Bogans? Huh?

The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 10:53

#18, Moon

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 12:52

I would go Buckner of those 5...

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 13:32

I would probably go Ratliff...but not sure

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 14:14

20...see injury thread before picking up buckner

JMISA
ID: 21056316
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 15:19

18 : Defintly go ratliff i dont see how that is a tough choice .... he has the highest pts/gm of all them and more importantly he is also the only one of all of them that has had decent seasons n the last decade =)

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 17:33

18-Personally I would go Wright

Disclaimer: He is the only one I own...otherwise I would go Ratliff

ole
ID: 131012919
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 18:23

wilkins -> bogans.

finger crossed. mainly a money move.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 18:26

I wonder what Baron's gains are going to look like over the next few days. Also if he's really going to be healthy. The original plan was moving into him tonight but I'm getting worried.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 18:31

18 - I've been looking at Moon, was hoping to see one more game before deciding on him. If it is a choice today, and you decide Moon is still an unknown, considering the Buckner injury, and you believe the sell off on Bogans is over, Bogans may be the best value. Lots of ifs, tough choice.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 18:32

#26
Yeah, had the same plan but am worried also and thus will hold off for now.

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 00:52

Everyone going to the Moon with Maxiell effort!

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 04:32

Checked out of the Hilton and joined the trip to the Moon without hesitation. But not at Maxiell effort, the schedule simply forbids it.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 04:56

Besides, everytime I look at Maxiell, somehow the name Sweetney springs to my mind... ;)

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 05:01

as long its not "Sweety" its all well Soulman. :)

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 05:12

LOL deejay, be assured there's no danger of that! :)

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 09:17

I actually never sold Maxiell so it was a pleasant surprise to see his points. I see KG came back to earth.

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 09:25

Interesting how Brewer started to be sold already and then you have AK up 70K and Boozer up 10k and Williams down 10k.
I took a chance on riding my R Hollins express to the Moon!

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 09:34

difference is people have sold off and realized how good value AK is and are going back (or going for a first time) whereas, before now, noone has sold brewer so there's noone left to buy him.

i think saying the word sweetney (or sweety) in the same breath as maxiell is doing him a disservice. i think he's a stud who just doesn't quite get the minutes to be consistent.

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 09:46

So do you think we could see some Booz given to Dirk today. Or does Diggler not got the stats he once did with all of his special help?

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 09:49

Thinking bout going Webster -> D. Harris today. Don't like Udrihs and Maxiels schedule, while the Dallas sched promises high gains.

Jeddi
ID: 91156614
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 11:09

Anyone else finding this year especially tough? Starting to think it's smart to just hold a guy if he has a game, because if someone puts up a subpar game everyone will just as quickly move out of them as they got him. That combined with no real mid priced guys standing out, or of course I trade out of them too early(AK47). Just a weird year so far. I have almost no confidence in any trade I make. I'm sitting on some guys who will lose money, (Webster and Brewer) to just move them when it makes sense game wise because money wise is too up in the air. Get Udrih and he could put up a 10 next game and it's a wasted trade unless you grin and bear it.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 12:30

39

Still dont see the need in moving Webster, 27 last night, whats wrong with that I wonder? Back 2 back tomorrow, then I will re-evaluate. Of course losing another 100k is not good.

ole
ID: 131012919
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 12:38

prz -> udrih

don't like trading a cheapie for a cheapie but after prz's 7tsnp last night and udrih's 37tsnp i fear the money loss.

Rubalamp
ID: 459143012
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 13:25

You have to decide to take a money loss sometimes, because to move out of it is simply stupid.

Haywood was a great pickup for his schedule, and he has really only majorly underperformed two games. But he rewarded me for keeping him!

I think my team is on track now. I have been steadily going up the ladder, finally. I just need to remember to sit on some trades...though Hedo is starting to seem like a "Must go" if he doesn't kick up his performance...I could trade to Kirilenko with fewer games, but more points I bet...

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 13:39

#37
qwert, not sure if you got me correctly: The reason I relate Maxiell to the name of Chicago's Mike Sweetney is because both are/were PFs who seem to lure managers into buying by producing an occasional 40+ game, only to back it up with a string of single digit games.

C. Bird
ID: 28902917
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 13:51

I am moving Hilton to Moon x 5 and I think Dunlvy to Udrihs x 5...its all about the money

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 13:55

Aren't those without Udrih already that are thinking of picking up today concerned that his schedule dries up in a week?

The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 14:55

I just got moon'ed on all teams from Martell. I lose 1 game over the next 3 days, but like the birdman said "its all about the money".

C. Bird
ID: 28902917
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 15:50

46 not really...he is less than $1M...if he gets the minutes he got last night and produces anywhere close to as well it will be tough to match that production for that salary not to mention the fact that he is going to make a ton of cash...especially if he has another good game on friday. To me it's worth the risk.

Headless Gunners
ID: 19282419
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 16:02

Don't #40 and #48 go together
Last year it happened when Barnes got hot.
I think when you finally find the REAL good cheapie, the money really doesn't matter.
He'l go up and down, but the extra games are always better spent on the big point studs.
This always happens at the beginning as we build RV.
So Brewer or Udrih, if they rack up the TSNP, they should be bought and held.

Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 16:18

Re: 49

I wish I were still holding Maxiell... =/

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 16:22

Its all about the money

True, but this I cannot keep up, and I think Im not alone.
Today there is Dunleavy/Brewer/Webster/Granger, all in danger.... Thats 4 trades, we get 4 a week.
Let it soon settle down please so we can use trades for studs.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 16:23

should say: keep this pace up.

ole
ID: 131012919
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 16:46

brewer seems like a long term hold to me. yes, you will take a price hit but he will gain it again too. so far, he's been the only consistent cheapie that i had i'd feel terrible moving him.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 16:54

brewer is going nowhere for me either.

JMISA
ID: 21056316
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 18:10

when do people plan on getting rid of GAY he has some gay production for his price i know he has b2b but don't wanna take another bogan type money blow

Bond, James Bond
Donor
ID: 04352469
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 19:04

Definitely moving out of Brewer. Picking up either Azubuike, Moon or Udrih. I like Azu's long schedule but with S. Jackson back in the next few days, I'm concerned with his playing time. Of course with Don Nelson as his coach, everybody in G.St. should be worried about their playing time. LOL

Udrih is a <$1M starter. Doesn't get much better than that. Leaning toward picking him up now although his schedule does cool in nine days.

Moon is an unknown quantity to me. Don't know how long he'll stay at a starting position nor do I know how good he really is. Looks good so far but looks can be deceiving, right?

No matter what, Brewer is a goner on my rosters.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 19:20

I dont know what to do today.

hillsborough
ID: 1710491018
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 19:41

Re 57
If you're unsure do nothing--for whatever its worth I'm holding Brewer

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 19:43

brewer is not my main concern, webster/dunleavy are. Dunleavy primary.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 19:45

#56/57
Also dropping Brewer today. My pathetic FV forces me to protect what significant gains I have. Brewer practically is on every team, he has maxed out. Have his price let off some steam and I'll gladly return in a few weeks.

As for the replacements, I'm very high on Moon but I have him already. Saw some footage of his highlights and his all-around game definitely impressed me.

Udrih indicated he can produce but that schedule of his is gruesome. By the end of next week already he is a must-sell. For my taste that's too short lived this early in the season.

That only leaves Azubuike which is the way I'll go. The return of SJax probably won't help, but even with that, I think Nelson will shuffle minutes around enough to make Azubuike mix 15s with 40s. That should make for mid 20s on average which for his price and schedule sounds fair to me. Deal done.

hillsborough
ID: 1710491018
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 19:46

Re 60
Sorry--I see what you mean now--

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 19:48

#60
deejay - if Dunleavy is your main concern, then ask yourself one question: Is there anybody in Dunleavy's price range who you don't have already and who will definitely outproduce him? If yes - go for that guy. If no - hold. I'll hold.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 19:52

its again the story of which poison, i have brewer/dunleavy/webster and udrih already there. Moon will prolly be added. But then... oh man sometimes i curse this game.

jedman
Dude
ID: 315192219
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 20:53

I'm sticking with Webster and Brewer. Moved Delfino>Moon. Seems Delfino's minutes are dwindling a bit and Moon's price will hopefully move up to match his name.

I have Udrih and plan on holding him along with Brewer until there may be a clear cut better alternative or until I have some cash to upgrade.

You cannot avoid all the price losers and I'd rather hold some losers who are at least producing TSNP for me.

Granger is the guy I'm most worried about, but don't have the cash for anything significant. Back to Kirilenko perhaps?

Every year I end up in a tough trade position because I get frustrated with guys after a couple bad games or because they are losing money. I have vowed to be better this year.

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 20:56

56,

Moon is pretty active. I don't see how he could avoid getting a good number of steals and boards. He'll have a few stinkers...that's why he's 500K...but I think he's the real deal.

Who loses more money in the next three nights, brewer or webster?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 20:58

would say brewer qwert

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 21:08

thanks deejay...not sure that helps me decide though

harris looks like a great candidate for making a trade at the end of the week that actually makes money AND picks up a game.

of course, if he blows up tonight, will we be able to hold off picking him up?

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 21:10

If someone is selling Brewer and/or Webster for anyone that plays one less game in the next 3 days, like Moon, Azubuike, Udrih, I think it's nonsense.

I'm holding both and evaluate after their back to back.

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 21:49

Right now, it's all about money...most probably going Pryzbilla/Brewer - Moon/Udrih and then will move back into Brewer through either Moon or Udrih-depending on how the next week and a half goes

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 22:29

I agree, hold...I can't believe Brewer is costing me money...

Well, I guess not costing me anything really, but it seems silly to
sell out of the guy who is easily the best at his price range...Oh
well, I have gained more money else where, I have to save my two
trades I have left for better point moves, not chasing money over
substance.

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 22:58

And Utah plays back to back games...a day off then comes the stretch of 1 in 5. And comes the day of trade refresh so if you can not sell by trade refresh you might as well hold.

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 23:01

Changed my mind last minute and decided to hold Brewer...will live with the money loss as it will surely come back. Had the most difficult time choosing between Udrih and Moon and finally the lack of competition for minutes at PG in Sactown led me to go Pryzbilla-Udrih.

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 23:04

Only a 60K loss for Brewer...I was worried it was going to be twice
that.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 23:18

Looks like there was some sanity afterall, I was expecting much larger loss on Brewer as well. I'm relatively happy I wasn't heavily punished for holding.

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 23:27

But what do you think it will be like after the next two games. Will the sell off on sunday have a more drastic price drop?

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 23:33

oh god ya...all bets are off after saturday's game, but with two good games, he might be holdable.

well, he's definitely holdable anyway, but maybe with less downside.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 23:43

Had contemplated selling Grant Hill. With no $$$ loss tonight and a nice first half so far, glad I held. Did move Brewer and Webster though, both players from my roster to start the season. Given his high ownership, Brewer could be a slow bleed, decided to take the money and run.

The Eraser
ID: 21011523
Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 00:04

Hello, I'm not exactly new to ultimate hoops but I haven't played in
a while. I was wondering who you guys think is a better pick up RV
wise. Darko Or Devon Harris?

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 00:13

Darko

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 00:50

disagree completely. i take harris for money and points.

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 02:17

Been itching to pick up KG but his schedule is puke. Then there is GS with a great Schedule and no studs I want to take a chance on. Looks like KOBE I guesss, but then he only plays one more game than KG over the next 12 days. uhg!

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 04:58

#81
Agreed

Usual Suspects
ID: 591012138
Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 08:36

#79 Eraser- I would lean towards Devin Harris as well as a possible long term hold-although he tends to miss the odd game here and there for a variety of reasons.

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 15:59

82

what stud are you ditching? it's usually the players on my team that make me say 'ugh'...not the ones i don't want to pickup.

Trade burner
ID: 225302021
Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 23:58

The last two days Webster and Brewer have lost a combined $280K while Moon and Udrih have gained a combined $620K for a $900K swing.

What makes this even more unreal is Brewer and Webster were heading into or in a B2B while Beno and Moon had just one game each.

I would imagine the flood gates are open big time tomorrow and Sunday. Unfortunately I only have one trade.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 06:24

Agreed, my guess is also that particularly Brewer will be singing his swan song this weekend.

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 08:22

I guess I should have kept LeBron instead of going to
Kobe...geesh...over 150 points in LeBron's 2 games...

Do i really have to use a trade to get out of a consistent performer
like Brewer?

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 08:56

I don't want to either but man the money gains could be huge.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 09:02

Holding Brewer

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 09:23

Problem with holding Brewer is that I think he's going to be gradual loser for a long time, (in fact it is happening already) and given Utah's spotty schedule the gains will be pretty far away in my opinion.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 09:28

Might have to burn 4 trades after tonight's game to trade away my Jazzs(!) and Blazers.

kentucky indians
ID: 33892520
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 10:36

Holding Brewer as well!!! I have always felt the keys to long term success in this game are minimizing trading the cheapies. 12/29 is my target date to trade out of Brewer. I built the Projected Sortables out to that date this morning. The Utah schedule is TERRIFIC!!! 22 games in 43 days; second only to Dallas and Golden State! Brewer is the ONLY player under $3M on the list! YES he is going to bleed A LOT of Money this week. I am going to grin and COUNT HIS POINTS!

Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 10:41

Holding Brewer as well

Trade burner
ID: 225302021
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 10:51

I am thinking about Brewer to D Harris. For points I should wait until Tuesday. But, since everyone is selling him tomorrow, I would take a big hit to wait until Tuesday so I think I will sell Brewer today and get a jump on the fire sale.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 11:42

Looks like I have to overhaul my entire Forwards, I only have one guard spot but the pool of cheap forwards are very thin... but it's suicidal to keep Brewer in my opinion.

The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 12:16

I guess I'm probably one of the very few here that has Darko. I wonder if he'll play tonight?

I probably won't be around for tipoff tonight, and I'd really like to get Big Al if Darko DNP's. The only downside of a Darko DNP tonight is missing the $$ gain on Big Al, and losing a little on Darko.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 12:23

Big Al as in Al Jefferson? cos Al Thornton has been pretty big too lately.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 12:24

Sorry make that Horford, not Thornton

100

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 12:31

Horford Pica?
Not really the best choice imo.

101

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 12:34

Schedule tells me the only "big" Al is Harrington... ;)

102

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 12:35

I was referring to Bandwagon's potential replacement for Darko.

My team is a mess, there aren't enough cheap forwards around to replace Webster and Brewer.

103

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 12:40

webster can stay at least one more game imo, maybe even two.

104

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 12:43

I'm thinking what to do after tonight's game...

105

The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 13:08

Big Al Harrington, sorry ;) Didn't realize there were that many Al's.

106

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 13:11

That was a good survey on the "Al" landscape though. Let's try "Williams" or "Jones" next... :)))

107

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 13:19

or Bundy.

108

JMISA
ID: 21056316
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 15:18

93: 22 TO 43 isnt the greatest thing ... on average a team plays every other day so basically ur +1 or 2 a game. I'm debating holding Brewer as well but I think for anyone its just a matter of how worried about FV you are not the points. No1 will deny that he is the best player for the money but using a trade to move out of him to another cheapie will cost about 5 pts a game but could possibly be up to a 1 Mill swing over a week or 2. So irs basically what the manager wants...

109

JMISA
ID: 21056316
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 15:20

on an added note if that cheapie you get is +1 or 2 games compared to Brewer's schedule for that time period then that should compensate for his reduced TSNP production.

110

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 15:44

still not sure about what to do with brewer...i think he starts making money again on thanksgiving, with big price losses on sunday, tuesday and wednesday. given his ownership, probably 100-150 on each of those days, with maybe 50-60 per day in between.

So I think he loses 500K from now til thursday, at which point he starts gaining again...especially if the likes of moon and udrih aren't lighting the world on fire.

i will evaluate after tonight's game.

111

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 16:36

Man, I worked out a beautiful rotation this morning before going to the gym, and now I see that Ratliff is out. This screws things up not only from a price standpoint but also eligibility because I was counting on having Ratliff in that center spot.

So now I have to go to Plan B which I don't like nearly as much, but in reality from a money standpoint is probably better. I have a 0.09 window that I must maintain for my planned moves on Tuesday, so unfortunately I think I may have to sacrifice Brewer's game today in order to meet it. I wouldn't have to sacrifice it if I plan to get Haywood over Ilgauskas on Tuesday, but I really don't trust him. Still have a couple hours to think it over at least...

112

JMISA
ID: 21056316
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 17:05

when are people deciding to get rid of gay he is up like 700K and is really starting to suck .... sell tommorrow anyone?

113

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 17:07

Shh.

114

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 17:31

112

defenitely not before 11/25

115

Trade burner
ID: 225302021
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 18:34

I have to move Bynum before I move Gay.

116

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 18:49

#115
I have neither of them, but why would you move Bynum prior to Gay? From my point of view, all aspects (schedule, gains protection, price/production ratio) except for the starter status (which is not that important IMO) would suggest to move Gay first. No hidden agenda to my question, just curious.

117

Trade burner
ID: 225302021
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 18:54

I don't think either player is worth a roster spot in the near future with all the cheaper options. However, in the next 8 days I get 5 Gay games to only 4 Bynum games. Gay has had foul trouble but has the potential for big games. Bynum only gets 2 quarters to get his points. Both will be gone by next Sunday so I will keep the guy who can put up 40 pts a game and gets 5 games.

118

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 18:58

Yeah, I follow that. Thanks for the explanation.

119

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 19:05

Bah, I ended up selling Brewer and giving up tonight's game. I figured Ilgauskas would average at least 5 ppg more than Haywood, so that would more than cover Brewer's expected output tonight, plus this way I also don't have to eat his loss tonight which I think will be very significant (but I've been very wrong about this before).

-30 on a day he played, -60 the day after heading into a back to back, -60 the first night of the back to back when he plays, very light trading day today (the only "big" sell today is for those of us who regrettably jumped on Ratliff early), popular replacement's schedule about to take off, owned by the entire universe...it just seemed like everything was lining up for a massive hit.

You just know he's going for 50 and -30k now.

120

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 19:10

who'd you sell him for?

and who are the popular replacements? i can't find any...except harris, who doesn't leave me enough to go from paul to LBJ on tuesday.

121

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 19:29

Harris, but I'm sort of in a similar situation as you. Unless I skip my plan that involves Baron (shouldn't have chickened out a couple days ago) and Ilgauskas, I'll have to get into Lebron via Dwight. That will at least save me the "when do I sell Dwight" headache, since he doesn't have a very good exit date.

I figure it's time to start really trying to get the money rolling in, because I've had it bouncing around from cheapie failure to cheapie failure. And I've been patient too, it seems like the common trend this year at my cheap slots is "hold through massive disappointment" --> "finally give up and choose a seemingly solid replacement" --> "replacement is either just as bad or gets injured." Ironically only way for me to do this was to sell the one truly good cheapie.

122

Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 20:53

Paul->Baron and Howard->James will probably be the popular moves since as SE mentioned, Howard's outs aren't spectacular.

How long are people holding onto Jefferson?

123

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 20:58

I think I'm gonna go Jefferson to LBJ on tuesday.

what's wrong with 11/25, 11/27 and to a lesser extent 12/4 as exit dates for Howard?

124

Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 21:15

I'd say the best transition is probably into a Utah player on the 25th, the 4th being too late IMO. But if that means I can't move into James on tuesday, then I'd rather sell earlier.

My plan was to sell Howard on the 25th and move Paul into James, but since that isn't happening anymore, I'm considering moving Howard into James instead.

125

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 21:29

Kind if hard to imagine selling someone has been as stellar as Howard early, especially so early, considering he has 3 games in three nights around Thanksgiving and some juicy match ups further down the road.

James seems to be as much of a must have as anyone, but his schedule ultimately runs dry only a couple days past Howards. Surely theremust be other ways to get into James.

126

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 21:39

agreed...will be holding howard at least until 11/25. hopefully longer.

127

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 22:03

I'm completely with you Dave. If it absolutely has to be the King and his horrendous price tag, there are plenty of better ways than Howard. Who with his stellar play makes me want to keep him as long as Orlando has any games. And that is quite some time.

128

Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 22:03

hopefully there are better moves into James for you guys. But tmac going down forced me into Dirk, a long term hold. In hindsight I should have just taken James right then and there, but it's easy to play this game in hindsight.

So the only 3 guys I can move into James are Paul, Howard or Dirk. Easy choice right? :D

129

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 22:17

ya, that's a tough call.

what about moving paul for someone cheap and then moving a cheapie/mid-priced player for LBJ?

130

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 22:28

Bingo qwert, there you have one of the better ways I had in mind! :)

131

Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 22:38

so which cheaper player would u guys move Paul into? My first choices would be Kaman or Harris, but both have at least 2 days off. GS players are always an option, but Biedrins is too pricey and Azu/Jackson are too much of a variable IMO. Harrington is obviously already with me.

132

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 22:47

Yehosh, Might not be the most efficient, but why not move Paul to LBJ tomorrow. LBJ will have lost the bulk of his money.

Not sure how many trades you have left but to burn two, to achieve LBJ doesn't make alot of sense, unless you are itching to dump someone else, and the 2 you mention trading for have the same 2 days off that LBJ does. And who would you be moving on Tuesday. I wouldn't just sacrifice someone.

133

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 22:55

I just picked up Jackson right now from Ratliff. With that schedule, the Warriors offense, his history of being great for me, the fact that he's a captain now, the fact that he's at his lowest price possible, and his GF eligibility - these all make me think he's a very good option. It's Action Jackson time!

The Paul to cheaper player, Aldridge to Lebron plan is something I'd really like to do but I don't see a way it makes sense game-wise or money-wise yet. The only option I'd really even have is to skip Baron, which isn't the worst thing, but it ends up losing games and money. Believe me, I'd love to keep Howard to the end of that schedule and I'm going to spend a good chunk of tomorrow naturally trying to make it work. But I'm not sure if it'll be worth it, especially with the confusion about when Howard's sell date is combined with the sure money that Baron and Lebron will make. We know that Howard's schedule is great and that his production is almost unmatched, but we also know he's not going to make it to the very end. One slightly off game could get the drawn out bleeding process started, we've seen it before.

That being said I still want to make it work. Tomorrow's going to be a big planning day.

134

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 23:02

Wow, Brewer only down 40k tonight. Boy am I lucky he stunk.

135

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 06:05

What do you guys think of this plan:

Brewer, Webster, Paul, AK > LBJ, Harris, Nelson, Blanche

Time to overhaul my team, currently has Baron, Harrington, Udrih, Howard, Przybilla, Gay

136

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 08:21

#131
I got Harris from Paul already and I think he's the best option. Also, I agree with the Senator that there are enough stats in Nellie's offense to make a lot of players happy. This is why I'm planning to go Warriors full throttle, adding Baron and Sjax today.

137

kentucky indians
ID: 33892520
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 09:10

What am I missing? ..... 12/4 is the OBVIOUS out date on Dwight Howard!! Is schedule is the best in the league to that date and that is the start of a one game in six day stretch!!

If you feel Lebron is a must have... go Paul to Lebron today.... or if you have an extra trade and some spare cash laying around -- pick up Garnett for tonight'sgame!!

138

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 09:38

Baron will certainly be a big gainer today but I'll skip. Just not convinced he can go without damage through a 4 in 5 with Turkey in between.
Surprised there's more love for SJax than Biedrins. With the not clear exit date for Howard (and I really hope he can last till 12/04), I like Biedrins as a back-up C should Howard need to go.
For Paul, I may simply go directly to LBJ today.

139

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 10:05

137

sure it's the obvious date, but early selling is not anything new...especially with the possibility of picking up games the week before.

you're right about the schedule though...there aren't many studs with anything comparable.

140

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 10:10

12/4 Howard>Kaman easily

141

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 10:37

130,

Soulman, keep that thinking in mind in the draftroom. 6th in the world last year. alright...end of shameless plug.

are steadfast brewer holders still holding after his bust of a game?

not sure what to do...or who to do it for.

could get sjax, but i would really prefer to see a game first.

142

jedman
ID: 610531620
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 10:52

I plan on holding Brewer. I just don't see any great alternatives for the price. I know he has made a lot of money and he will give a lot back, but if you plan on holding him long term, you will get the money back. I have traded into so many cheapie players that have not panned out, I'm hesitant to trade a starter for a good team that just doesn't take up much cap space. I can make money other places and figure he has become a $1000k placeholder instead of 500K, only he is a placeholder that will get me decent points. Yesterday was his first really bad game of the year. Heck, Lebron had 14.5 in his first game of the year, it happens.
I think I'm just going to go Paul>Lebron. Thought about packaging Granger, but didn't see any alternatives that made me feel good about using 2 trades. I'm thinking Lebron may lose about as much as Paul, so I'm thinking hold Paul just in case he does play tomorrow and then move to Lebron. What do you guys think, will the money losses be close to a wash?

143

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 11:01

142- Not even close. Paul will lose about 200k and I think Lebron will make a bit (about 40K)...IMHO of course.

144

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 11:03

Went Paul -> Jax, thinking bout going Jefferson or Gay to Bron after they next game, depends who stinks more!

145

reebbertxx
Sustainer
ID: 561124720
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 11:03

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NBA&hl=87171&id=1115

Doesn't look like Paul will play. RV loss will not even be close. Lebron should even make a little.

146

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 11:08

I sold Paul to Harris...Have over 7 mil now sitting...thinking about
taking Brewer to Ginobili after tomorrow's game...although, I would
love Garnett, it just doesn't seem worth it, given their spotty
schedule...

147

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 11:13

142,

agree with the others...lebron will make a little...paul will lose tons

148

Tower
ID: 3910491311
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 11:45

Should I go CP > Baron, Kobe, or D.Harris? I want Baron, but he scares the hell out of me (I am running short on trades); Kobe's schedule is not that great long term (there is 1 in 7 in there), and DH doesn't play for two days. Any other guard options? :)

149

Tower
ID: 3910491311
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 11:45

150

Headless Gunners
ID: 19282419
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 11:46

Paul gone x4
could afford LBJ x2 and Baron other 2

151

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 11:49

sjax seems to be getting some consideration.

if i were in your position and you don't need the extra money, i would go with baron. it seems to me he always sits when you least expect it...so by my logic, when you expect him to sit, he will put up huge numbers.

with the start they're off to, they can't exactly rest him. i don't have baron, for what it's worth.

152

wongyjongy
ID: 141035113
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 12:04

i went to paul -> sjax with a plan to move webster into lebron james. x2

paul + brewer -> sjax + lebron james. x3. i could have waited for one more brewer's game but don't want to.

153

Qwerty123
Sustainer
ID: 349431211
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 12:04

Anyone considering Blatche instead of Udrih or Moon? He doesn't play for 2 days, but then has a good schedule for about 2 weeks. He's been playing better lately.

154

kentucky indians
ID: 33892520
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 12:07

Paul to Lebron made sense on Tuesday... But I think part of this game means adjusting when things change like an injury... Having thought about it; Paul to Baron seems the most sensible today... Look not at Baron's health risk but what he is doing this year (WOW!!!)... CP to Baron today then Baron to Lebron on 11/24 would net you two games for one trade; kindof a late season move but if you have extra trades sitting around looks good to me?

155

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 12:13

Went Paul to Baron. Baron's a risk, but I think it's one worth taking given his production and schedule and guarantee of making money.

I worked out an almost perfect plan that involves keeping Howard for at least a few more games, the only downside to it is that it involves not having an out for Gay. I have a second plan too that also works, but games are sacrificed.

156

Mac Daddy
ID: 4910121419
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 12:20

Paul to SJax today
Douby (yes, I held him) to Harris tomorrow
Armstrong (yes, him too) to Bass on Tuesday
If Kobe is terrible again today, maybe go to LBJ tomorrow.
Hold Brewer forever

157

jedman
ID: 610531620
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 12:20

Decided on Baron from Paul also. If I have to have Lebron, I can get him after Baron's next 4 games, so like stated above, 4 Baron (hopefully all 4) to 2 Lebron, then make a decision then. By then, something else may happen to change the plans. Leaves me 2 trades still in the bank. I need Kobe to step up and offset those with Lebron.

158

Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 13:07

qwert,

With Barnes out for 5 days, I decided to try the Paul->Cheapie idea and took the Brawling Stephan Jackson. I promised myself not to risk Baron Davis in ultimate and I'm a man of my word.

It'll be RJ->LJ on tuesday

159

Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 13:08

my bad, I meant Barnes out for the 5 GAMES, not days

160

The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 15:32

I'm with you Yehosh on Baron Davis. Baron Davis and TMac are two I vow never to get on my main teams if I have other options. I did pick up Baron on my day late team for the $$ and hopefully a few games.

On my main teams I went Paul to Kobe. I also skipped Al Harrington and kept Aldridge for another game. I'm not a big fan of Al's because he doesn't blocks shots, or rebound very well for a PF/C, plus he's close to max on $$ gains. This worked out great for me today, but we'll check back in a week.

I have AK-47 and Aldridge that will need to be traded in a few days, one for LBJ, and one for a center. I'm waiting for more news on AK-47 before I let him go.

161

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 15:58

sean williams is a C and may be leaving the station soon...despite his schedule

162

JMISA
ID: 21056316
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 16:09

161: I got wasted last night and forgot to wake up early enough to trade Kaman for Al harrington at center ( forgot the GS vs TOR game was so early) so that means Sean WIlliams is leaving the station for me tonight

163

The Bandwagon
Donor
ID: 479521116
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 16:09

Yea, Sean Williams is on my short list of C's. It made more sense to go with Al today, but that meant I had to take Baron instead of Kobe. I did not want to do that.

164

Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 16:30

Why sell Kaman? he is the most productive player under 7M along with AK

I'm holding onto Kaman on the teams that I have him and picking him up on the ones I don't on wednesday.

Williams is a strong option, but for now I'll wait and see how the Williams/Magloire works out tomorrow when they play in Utah

165

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 16:41

Moving Grant Hill to a cheapie option allowing me to pick up Lebron. Sean Williams is too expensive, looking at Blatche. Is he on anyone's radar screen?

166

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 17:00

158,

looks like a solid plan Yehosh.

I did something similar. Moved Paul for Harris yesterday and will also be going RJ to LBJ.

still have brewer to deal with. i like blatche's schedule and improved performance...as well as his price, but i think i like sean williams' minutes, C eligibility and big game potential more. unless someone would like to convince me otherwise.

167

JMISA
ID: 21056316
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 17:19

164: I re evaulauted everything and i decided to hold Kaman even before I read your post haha ... the CPaul injury threw off my rotation and me waking up late today threw it off even more so I jus traded CP for Bryant and Yao for Sean Williams .... thats leaves me the extra 7 mill i will need to make GAYman into Le BJ after tommorrows game. I was only deciding to trade Kaman before because Kaman > Harrington would get u +3 games over a 2 weeks span as well as decent money gains.

After not being able to trade into the GSW players i wanted today and seeing the results of the game im not sure anymore either. SJackson got alot of playing time as well as the top TSNP on the team ... at 4 mill he might be a steal no1 thought of yet. Azuibike is only still starting i think because Barnes is out. IDK how harrington and B davis will continue to produce once all the players are back on the team and the minutes will be cut fo sho.

168

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 17:49

#141
sorry qwert, looks like twolves read your post earlier than I... ;)

169

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 18:06

no prob...happy to be drafted

170

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 00:17

Looks like after tonights -160k drop on Brewer then the drops might diminish from here on out.

171

CJ=Brain Surgeon
ID: 3610331823
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 00:33

Looks like after tonights -160k drop on Brewer then the drops might diminish from here on out.

Wow. Great insight Sherlock.

172

CJ
Sustainer
ID: 499271021
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 02:32

Gee I wonder if you will eat your masked words if they are alot steeper tomorrow or the next day. And here is why Sherlock.....% of trades (or sells) in a day. With so many selling of other players like Paul then it can diminish the impact of other sellers that day. Less of an amount of Brewer sells on the next day could still net a more severe loss due to not much selling of other players that day.

173

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 07:07

#171
CJ's post in #170 was an absolutely legitimate statement and added to the discussion. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about your post #171, so please keep insults like these for yourself. And if you have something to say, post it under your name. Or don't you stand behind what you're saying?

174

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 11:26

looking ahead, al harrington is going to have to have to have quite a week to avoid a massive sell off into kaman on 11/29. those schedules are a match made in heaven. would be a shame to sell one of the only great long term schedules, but we'll see what's happening next week i guess.

175

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 12:32

I think saying he's going to have to have to have is a little bit over-exagerated

179

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 08:20

I am wondering...

Brewer lost another 110K on a day he played...I hate the idea of
trading a guy who cost me a mill and just outproduced Nelson and
Turk, not to mention Bryant's last couple outings...

I want to get into Ginobili...the Magic guys still have a great
schedule...Brewer is looking like the best choice, or Shawne
Williams, I have the money sitting in my bank...what would you
guys do...If I sell Brewer now, I would keep the 380K he is still over
his original price...

180

jedman
ID: 59012312
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 10:14

Wright>SJax for me today and then Kobe>Lebron after the 3-2 games for Kobe, just hope he can step up a little.

As I stated above, I'm in the hold Brewer camp. I paid 1 mill for him and he may get back down to that price. I have made good money in a lot of other spots, so I'm willing to just hold and enjoy his production for price. No other cheapie has been as solid and he is a fixture in their lineup. Barring injury, he stays with me for a long time and I'll build RV with the other 9 spots.

181

Rubalamp
ID: 459143012
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 10:32

I sold Brewer>Ginobili...

I am thinking I will get back into Brewer for one of my many underperforming guys (Jefferson, Turk, Bryant) However, at this point, their schedules were too good to not get their production while Brewer is idle. Net the 380K...I worry how much he loses after he lost over 100K on a day he played...that scared me.

182

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 11:01

Ruba,

I could see RJ losing just as much as brewer tonight, with the difference being that he won't make it back.

I would hold brewer and sell RJ for Lebron.

183

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 13:28

Why would RJ lose as much as Brewer???? Brewer lost over 100K
on a day he played (which rarely makes any sense), and RJ has
games every other day for 4 straight games?

I could see RJ losing some given his lack of production, but the
number of trades is going to be done since they have not
refreshed yet, and I have to think that if people were willing to
sell Brewer on the day he played, more will be selling him when
he doesn't for 3 days.

I will be interested to see what happens, but either way, my last
trade was to get Ginobili from Brewer, so I am at the mercy of
the market as well. Don't see a reason for RJ to go down that
much though. did he get injured?

184

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 13:30

I think you will be in for a surprise Rubalamp.

185

weykool
ID: 2842717
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 13:42

I want to get into Ginobili...the Magic guys still have a great
schedule...

I think Ginobili plays for the Spurs.

186

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 14:07

183,

His schedule is drying up and his performance hasn't been great at all lately. And a number of people will be moving him for Lebron after keeping cash from selling Paul and others.

I promise you he loses over a hundred K and I wouldn't be surprised if he and brewer are similar in price losing.

And though Brewer lost a lot last night, most owners who sold him either wish they hadn't or are looking to get back into him as soon as thursday. Nobody is talking about getting back into RJ. Brewer WILL gain back what he loses tonight...RJ won't.

Finally, I see Ginobili as fool's gold. He has never even averaged 30 TSNP/game in a season. Will he keep up 40/game? I don't think so.

Finally (part II), LBJ will earn a whole lot more than Ginobili, who has a VERY short term schedule.

If you have 6 million lying around, I think you're crazy not to use it to go from RJ to Lebron.

187

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 14:08

183,

you know you can undo trades, right? it seems as though the end of your post was talking as though it was a choice you already made.

188

Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 17:43

Well, I lose money from RJ and get some points, or lose money
from Brewer and get no points?

Hmm...

I am sticking with it...

I write like I think, I am all over the map...I have both Hedo and
Nelson, neither of whom is performing as I hoped, though Hedo is
definitely not living up to his price tag. I may change Hedo and RJ
this week after I get the new trades, but not sure for who yet...

189

JMISA
ID: 21056316
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 18:20

183 + 184 : yea Rubalamp i think u made a very ba desicion ... at this point if u already kept brewer you might as well jus keep him because his leaks will stop as of 11/21 and he will porbably go back up again a little especially form people opting out of udrih and bogans at 11/22 and 11/24 why take a 500k loss and then trade him?

Also Jefferson is the top held forward behind D HOward and he has been really sucking lately and his schedule over the next few days is on par with most other people

190

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 18:21

saying RJ gets you points and brewer doesn't is a really short sighted way to think of it.

you will trade RJ next week anyway...you wouldn't trade Brewer.

as you might have guessed, I think you're making a big mistake, but then again, I don't think I've ever convinced you of anything in the past, so why start now...

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Rubalamp
ID: 367351922
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 19:09

Exactly...

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 22:55

175,

looks like harrington might not even last the week at this point.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 23:04

Wow, Gay -110

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Headless Gunners
ID: 12723167
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 05:14

It's tough being Gay

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jedman
ID: 59012312
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 10:40

I think Udrih's lack of PT in the last quarter was due to the fact that the team on the floor had cut into a huge Phoenix lead and the coach probably wanted to keep their momentum going. They almost pulled of the W.

I have Harrington at center and am 50K short of going to Kaman straight up. I could just go to Bynum and be done, but I want Kaman. Louis Williams has become a cheapie, potential money maker. With Udrih's upcoming schedule, I'm actually thinking of moving him to Louis today and then getting Kaman today. I lose a game with Udrih, but it should save me a trade down the road getting into Kaman. Have to ponder on that one.

196

Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 15:03

Who do you guys think loses more tonight? (rank from most to least)

a) Brewer
b) Udrih
c) Bass

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 15:20

T1 - udrih and brewer pretty close
2 - Bass

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 15:21

that being said, i would say brewer's price losses are irrelevant tonight, because if you have held til now, you might as well hold. On friday, for the next price changes, brewer will be one of the top gainers.

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Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 15:31

Actually, it's because I was thinking of buying Brewer if Udrih is out. =P

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Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 15:33

I still can't see Udrih losing all that much. The news of his injury isn't that widespread and it still hasn't been confirmed or even suggested that he's out tonight.

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 15:37

199,

gotcha...same. i didn't think i could see you selling brewer at this point.

doesn't udrih know how much easier it would have been if he had gotten the injury tonight, letting us move him for brewer or williams at a reasonable time?

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Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 18:42

is Harrington out toninght?

I can't find a link, but that is what a buddy of my told me and I'm trying to confirm

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 18:43

apparently yep...personal reasons. check out injury thread...and probably your GMD thread.

204

G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 23:11

Wow, those that held Brewer took an absolute pounding with -760K in 9 days.

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Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 23:40

nice

I predicted 800K-900K on the thread on the SN before last wednesday. If Paul would have stayed healthy I would have been right on the money.

Now I need to decide who to move back into Brewer: Bogans or Wright

206

G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 23:58

hmm, with all the fun options right now it would be very tempting to go tradeless on Saturday or Sunday of this trading period.

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Rubalamp
ID: 17102246
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 10:55

Dilemma...

I have 2 trades left, and feel I have to get LeBron over Kobe...Kobe plays Friday before the Cavs play on Saturday, so I was going to wait and get one more Kobe game. Currently there is only 50K between them and I have 140K in my bank.

I also was going to move Azubuike to Daniels for tomorrow's game, but I don't have any more G space. I currently have Azu as a forward (becomes Lebron) and Kobe at Guard (becomes Daniels)...If I wait to do the trade I will get one more Kobe game and one more Azu game, to one Daniels game...but there is also the chance that the price changes make this impossible if the total changes go much over 500K, which seems possible with Azu and Bryant losses and James and Daniels gains...

Would you take your chances with the extra Kobe game or make the moves now, knowing that Daniels could potentially outscore both players (as he did last night and probably the night before)...

Also, I know many of you would not ever go tradeless, but that part doesn't bother me, that is a risk I have already decided to take. If it helps to give me feed back on when to do the trade, just assume I have 7 left...

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Jeddi
ID: 291151910
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 13:30

Anyone know if Louis Williams is legit? Will he keep getting around 30 mins a game?

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JMISA
ID: 21056316
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 13:51

207 :

Hold your players man your trading away 2 great players with great schedules for 2 other players with the same schedule that are jus doin a bit better .... kobe will pick it up soon ... im holding both him and LBJ
if anything jus move azubukie only because barnes is guna come back and take his starting spot soon
pick up ronnie brewer even though u traded him 2 dasy ago haha i think this will be the lowest he'll go and will start to go up here on out

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Rubalamp
ID: 17102246
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 14:31

a bit better? James is averaging nearly 15 points more per game (5 games over 64). And with their changing positions on their teams, Azu to Daniels could net a 25+ per game average. The other problem is that I have to trade a guard to get into daniels. I have Kobe, Manu, Nelson, and Harris, none are able to become Forwards. Kobe is the only one performing below his cost. Daniels seems poised to play within range of kobe (I will be pleased with 35ish/game), and Lebron will far outshine Azu who will certainly become more to the 12-15 average kind of up and down cheapie, with all the talent on GS starting to play again.

My predictions for the combo's may be off, but I would say Azu and Kobe peak at a combined average of 60, while LeBron and Daniels could push 90, even 80 would be a significant enough point increase per each of their games to warrant the double trade...

I am leaning toward doing the trade now, while I know the money will work. It will also be a great money making trade as well.

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JMISA
ID: 21056316
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 14:56

yea if u think itll work out for the best do what suits u =)

judging from your team though it looks like alot of those players will have to be move by atlest end of next week (manu, LBJ) and nelson at 12/3 the latest jus keep that in mind if your going to be at 0 trades for this week already

also i wouldnt cap kobe and azu at 60 im not a fan of azu but kobe can put up a 45-50 any night ... as well as have those 90 point games literally

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Rubalamp
ID: 17102246
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 15:02

Thus far this season Kobe is at 58.5 for his high, where as James has gone above that 5 times and once in the upper 70s and once to the tune of 90...

Everyone's schedule hits the skids that week, without many options to trade into, I will hold the cheapies and move the big guns around the best I can...The only schedules that get any better appear to be Seattle, Milwaukee, and Minnesota, not exactly stellar options on any of those teams...The trade thread for that week should be interesting.

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JMISA
ID: 3210172215
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 16:22

hahah yea those teams probably have the worst options in the league ... im waiting for ATL's schedule to pick up theres alot of good options there

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 16:28

atlanta's schedule picks up for a bit on saturday.

toronto's schedule also picks up next week. Bosh turning it around in last couple of games could be an option, though he's not a C this year.

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Rubalamp
ID: 17102246
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 16:32

Phoenix gets a good schedule for about a week or so a little after that, but not sure that will help either. Next week could hit hard money wise, but I am not convinced that it will have HUGE point benefits...

I was looking at Jefferson for Minnesota, he is still in gravity, so if that lasts another 10 days, he will be in the upper 8 mill range, which is probably still a bit too much for his production. There are a couple cheapies on those teams that perform well at their cost, but probably not better than Brewer, Daniels, Blatche type of guys.

Who do you like on ATL? I saw their schedule comes up a little bit, but not sure of Smith's health, and haven't checked the cost of the other guys...

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JMISA
ID: 3210172215
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 16:39

i was looking at rashad mccants 2 weeks ago when he was avging 25 a game ... telfair was a emerging option too at 2 mill and 20/gm but he didn't play last game?
jefferson gets nasty #s like 30-10 nights all the time ... he would be a great pickup if he could learn to get assists haha

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