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Subject: Bandwagon's GMD team

  Posted by: The Bandwagon - Donor [479521116] Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 21:56
Welcome Senator Urine, dpr, Blooki, Pica, Winston, Gary Dotson, tothreeball.

I look forward to hearing your gripes and complaints about players, and in return, you get to hear mine. No holds barred here, let it all out ;)

If someone would like to volunteer running team stats through Excel daily, then please, stand up and be heard. If not I'll figure it out...hopefully.

I'll start it off. I went Paul to Kobe today, and held AK-47, and Aldridge for another game hopefully. I skipped Baron and Al Harrington.

I plan to go AK-47/Aldridge to LBJ/and a center on 11/20, and hold Brewer.
 
1Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:02 		Glad to be picked along with a great bunch of Gurupies. Hope I am not going to drag the team down.

Let's get right to it, only 1hr left before pulling some trades.

Already got Jax from Paul earlier, thinking of going AK, Brewer, Webster > Harris, Blanche, LBJ, any thoughts or opinions? My window is about 600k to pull this off so it could be the only chance. I'm still scouting news about AK's injury as I am typing.
 
2tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:14 		Happy to be part of team Bandwagon. Moved Grant Hill to Blatche tonight, and will move Wilcox to LBJ after Wilcox's game tomorrow. Have a $280K window for the move, hoping that is enough.
 
3Senator Urine
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      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:24 		Thanks for picking me up, hopefully I'll be able to turn my team around after this horrible start.

Tomorrow's going to be a really interesting day, I have two possible ways into Lebron.

The original way was simply Howard and Aldridge for Lebron and Ilgauskas, but I'm not so sure I like this route anymore, especially with the emergence of Sean Williams and the possibly injury to Kirilenko.

The second way I can get in is moving Kirilenko to Williams either tomorrow or the day after depending on if he's injured, and then Aldridge right into Lebron. The only thing that worries me about this plan is that I won't have much left (only 100k or so) in the bank to deal with Gay (among other unforseen things).

What do you guys think? If I do keep Howard, it would probably only be for three more games, the money situation with him afterwards could get very ugly.
 
4Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:29 		I searched the two Utah newspaper websites can couldn't find any update to AK's injury. Actually they never mentioned his injury at all. Hope I have more cash to go to S Williams instead of Blatche though.
 
5The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:38 		I have the same plan SU. Aldridge to LBJ, and AK-47 to Sean Williams if AK-47 doesn't suit up. The Utah paper never mentioned a injury, they said he left in the 3rd with foul trouble.

SU, maybe Gay to Brewer on the 25th? I hate for you to dump Howard early.

Pica, I think I'd pull the trigger with that small of a window. That could be gone after tonight.
 
6Senator Urine
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      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:43 		Yeah, I was thinking of triangling Gay back into Brewer originally, but then Udrih can probably serve the same purpose. They both will probably have to go, originally I was planning on holding Udrih forever but since that train took off it'll probably be a good idea to bank some of that money.

Even if Kirilenko is healthy, are you planning on moving him to Williams? Before or after the game?
 
7Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:43 		Trade done.

I definitely hope to hold Howard for at least another full trade week. I realize holding him to the bitter end of Dec3 is going to cost major dollars but I think he will hold up well at least the coming trade week.
 
8The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:44 		LOL Pica!!

Bye the way my Kobe pick-up is really ticking me off. 10.5 TSNP's at the half!

Tom Brady has blood boiling already. I had a 48 point lead going in to tonights game, and I'm playing the team with Brady.

Whats up with the Pats going for it on 4th and 1 on the 3 yard line with a 35-7 lead? That is class-less!
 
9dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:45 		Im not really planning out to far in advance at this point in the season because money is too variable to o important at this point. But heres wat i got now.

Today I moved paul into stephen jackson which frees up enough money to go into Lebron from either gay or Jefferson. Ill prob sell the other one some time later this week and hopefully in doing so free up money to get out of Armstrong. Im sure one of these guys I will use to pick up Brewer but undecided on the other pick up.
Like to hold Howard as long as possible but Im not going to take a money hit to do it. None of the top centers really have good schedules so ill probably downgrade here. maybe go to sean williams on next sunday and use the money on armstrong if I am able to stand seeing single digits that long. Think williams is gunna see any signicant gains with the 1 in 5 looming next week?

With 3 uber cheapies in moon udrih and armstrong I could be in a tough time if these guys crash at the same time as they are so hard to get out of.
 
10Senator Urine
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      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:46 		Crap, I just realized I only have 120k to do the moves. Is this going to last through tonight and tomorrow's changes? I'm really not sure. Wondering if I should go Kirilenko to Williams right now...
 
11The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:48 		Actually the oringinal plan was Aldridge to Sean (I know it doesn't gain games, but I save $$ vs going with AL who would have gained me games), while I held AK-47 for his game tomorrow night.

If both AK-47 and Aldridge play, I may swap Aldridge to Sean just for the $$. Bye the way, I'd never do this kind of trade if it were later into the season.
 
12Senator Urine
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      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:50 		Same here, I really have to just get the money rolling.

Right now I'm leaning towards moving Kirilenko for Williams right now. Agree or disagree?
 
13Senator Urine
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      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:53 		Let me think...Paul's injury will drive Lebron's price up a bit tonight, and people exiting Brewer may see Williams as an option. Kirilenko's injury and the slight schedule bump may see some price leakage for him. Combine a lesser repeat of that tomorrow, I don't think that window is holding.

I think I have to do Kirilenko to Williams now.
 
14Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:54 		Probably won't hold. Many Brewer holder will probably package him with AK to get some 4mil guys like Jax, Harris, Harrington, etc.
 
15Senator Urine
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      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:55 		Alright, I'll do it now. Hopefully this works...
 
16The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:55 		Go for it
 
17The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:56 		Off to bed for me. I stayed up too late last night trying to figure out a plan to avoid Baron and Al. Gnight all
 
18Gary Dotson
      Donor
      ID: 571057216
      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 22:58 		Glad to be part of the " Bandwagon " Team....

Today I went granger - jackson.....Only cause i need the $$ and had no way into lbj on tuesday....So figured i could downgrade jefferson( who has to go soon anyways) and go kobe-Lbj on 11/24...
Also i believe im HOLDING brewer...Already have udrich and moon...No other cheapie really worth trade....
Just a couple thoughts...Check in later after bulls game....
 
19Senator Urine
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      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 23:04 		Went for it, and with the new price changes, good thing I did. That window would have been gone already. Lebron +40, Williams +40, Kirilenko -70, Aldridge 0 for a total of 150k.
 
20Senator Urine
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      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 23:06 		Gary, if you didn't move Brewer tonight I'd probably just hold, but then again I'm really stubborn like that. I have a history of completely writing a guy off if I miss the first big gain or refusing to sell if I take one massive hit.
 
21Gary Dotson
      Donor
      ID: 571057216
      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 23:14 		Thats pretty much how i feel also senator...Already missed it, might as well just ride it out....Cp3 injury hurt plans a bit...
 
22dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Sun, Nov 18, 2007, 23:17 		some big price movers tonight. had half my team go up over 100k.

i expected the brewer loss to be bigger but i guess the Paul injury helped there. Still gunna lose a bunch to hold him
 
23 Winston
      Donor
      ID: 119543011
      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 06:32 		Winston report duty, thank Bandwagon for draft me. Not much plan other than package AK/Jefferson to LBJ + sub 1 M player yet to be determined, will hold Brewer.
 
24The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 12:21 		Wow, everyone on the team has posted except Blooki. I need to make sure he's not holding out ;)

I enjoy the conversations, and look forward daily to reading the new thoughts and posts of the team.

I'm a supervisor at a manufactoring plant, and my hours are 2:30 pm to 11:30 pm central time, so I will be most active here between 9:00 AM to 1:30 PM Mon thru Fri. I'm off all this week, so I'll be around 24-7.

Anyone heard anything on AK-47?

What's the teams thoughts on going Aldridge to Sean Williams tonight strictly for the $$?

Should I just wait one more game then do the trade, or go for it? Of course if AK-47 doesn't play, then its AK-47 to Sean.
 
26 The Bandwagon
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      ID: 479521116
      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 12:33 		Thanks Guru, go ahead and send it to me, and I'll try to figure it out.
 
27Blooki
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      ID: 449292712
      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 12:56 		Wow... last in WWR and FV. I rule!
 
29The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 13:17 		Blooki, no need to worry about FV and WWR. I drafted you to impact player prices for the team, lol.

Just kidding, I know you'll get on track, or you better, I spent a high pick on you ;)
 
30dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 14:30 		just typed out how i was considering getting Harris from Gay after todays game and that my alternative was to move into Kirilenko from Gay at the end of the week but when comparing te moves I realized that by moving earlier I dont gain any games and that Kirilenko should greatly outproduce Harris. Harris still seems an attractive option tho.
 
31The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 17:12 		I guess I'm going to sit back tonight, and pass on the 90+k Sean Williams will make tonight. Early in the season, the temptation of money overpowers smart decisions alot of the times. (Never trade a player playing for another player playing the same night.)

My only 2 ways into Sean are AK-47 and Aldridge, and they both play tonight. Aldridge plays 2 hours earlier than AK-47, so the smart thing to do is hold Aldridge and see if AK-47 sits with the mysterious injury. If Ak-47 sits, then I can swap him for Sean before tipoff.

 
32dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 19:44 		in response to my post 30 ive added Ilgauskas to the list im considering. pointwise AK is prob slightly better but this would give me a back up center option if harrington or Howard have to be moved before the end of their great schedules. Howard might even fit nicely for getting into AK. Think im leaning this way now any opinions?
 
33The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 19:47 		#32 Have you considered Haywood. Nice fit to Kaman on 12/2.
 
34The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 20:32 		#31 LOL, so much for that smart decision. Aldridge with 3.5 in the 3rd qrt. Just picked up his 4th foul and will be riding the pine until the 4th qrt. Wonderful.........
 
35dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 20:53 		31,
I hadn't but i like Ilgauskas more for the longer schedule. Through the end of Haywood's schedule its 8 vs 7 which using their averages means they should come out about even but Ilgauskas can be held longer. Dont think the extra money should hurt me unless Udrih and Moon both have to be moved. So the advantage comes down to getting into Kaman. But i figure I could sell a GS guy early to do this on 11/30 or wait till 12/4 to get from Turkoglu. So i should be fine there.

Prob just comes down to that not the biggest Haywood fan as i had him for two game this year and those werent exactly his best whereas Ilgauskas did well for me to start the year. Will Haywood make significantly more than Z?
 
36The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 21:05 		Couldn't you use the $$ you save on Haywood to upgrade Hilton to Sean Williams?
 
37dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 21:25 		i guess although i dont have excitement regarding williams that the rest of u seem to have. His schedule really isnt that good (5/12) and its hard to predict his production as he has really only been getting minutes for a few games. I was gunna use Armstrong as my in to Brewer later this week so i think i have him taken care of. Is willaims a better bargain than brewer?
 
38Senator Urine
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      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 23:26 		Lebron up 150 tonight. There goes the window. That was completely unexpected. All for Aldridge's stupid five points tonight.

Guess someone has to be sacrificed tomorrow to get him. It's either downgrading Gay, possibly to Haywood whom I fear, or using Howard.

Ugh.

 
39Senator Urine
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      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 23:44 		Especially since all decent options except for these two are in gravity, my best options are probably Haywood (only a one week hold) and Grant Hill (probably too long of a hold for the production/price).

Right now I'm leaning towards Hill but I'm miserable.
 
40Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 23:51 		You know what, I think I'm going Hill, and this is probably a blessing in disguise because he's exactly what I need. A guy who produces decently, who will gain some money over time, but not become a train such that I'll be forced to sell early.
 
41tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 00:03 		Whew, just made my window of Wilcox to Lebron by $60K.

I think Brewer is a more proven option than Williams. The question may be when does the bleeding stop on Brewer. For those looking at centers, I like big Z's matchups over the next few games.
 
42The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 00:15 		I'm dumping Ak-47 and Aldridge and getting LBJ and must take a center. I can get Haywood or Bynum and gain the game thing, or go cheap and take Sean Williams. I don't have enough to take Z or Kaman, and I'm staying the hell away from Al Harrington.

I'm with SU, I don't trust Haywood, I don't like Haywood, but Sean Williams doesn't gain any games vs Aldridge over the next 2 weeks. Bynum's minutes scare me. Regardless, Aldridge has to be dumped for a cheaper C to be able to afford LBJ from Ak-47.

I guess I'll sleep on this one.

Good job Aldridge, nice going away present. I give you a high 5 right back..... punk ;)
 
43tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 00:24 		#42 Kwame Brown was injured during the Lakers last game. Haven't seen anything other than a day to day listing, but could have a postive effect on Bynum's minutes. Hopefully more info will be available tomorrow (I guess later today) before you have to make the call.
 
45The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 12:33 		TO, Bynum definately looks a little better now that Kwame is out, but it looks like Haywood is my best fit schedule wise into Kaman in a few weeks. (I don't have any GState players)

dpr, yes Brewer is the better bargain, and I like your plan, especially with Chandler out now.

SU, Hill is a consistent producer, and a long over looked hold, but... Won't you be holding a stick of dynamite in each hand (Baron, Grant Hill)? If you're hurting on trades, I might look at another option. IMO, no way Baron or Hill play every game through mid December.

Maybe take Haywood instead of Hill. Haywood would allow you to trade Al Harrington and/or Dwight Howard efficiently this trade week if/when they start losing $$.
 
46Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 18:39 		It looks like I have four options to free up the cash for Aldridge to Lebron:

A) Gay to Hill
B) Gay to Haywood
C) Gay to Biedrens
D) Gay to Ilgauskas

Plan A I'd be holding Hill for a long time, and sitting on 4 million assuming nothing goes wrong. It also has the disadvantage of if Harrington is truly awful these next couple games, he'd have to go and I'd have to jump into a center (the other three options) late.

Plan B I would turn Haywood into Kaman on 11/29 (I know it sacrifices a game but it's necessary). Depending on how I feel this week, I could either go Howard or Harrington to Kirilenko. No matter what route I go I'd have 8.6 for a Harrington or Haywood replacement at any time, and I don't like any of the options since Kirilenko and Kaman are already penciled in. Maybe RJeff if he gets better and Harrington makes it that long?

Plan C With Howard leaving now, Biedrens would be a longterm hold, and I'd pretty much need Harrington to make it until the Kaman date. Gay would become Kirilenko.

Plan D With Howard turning into Ilgauskas, I'd move Ilgauskas for Kaman, and then Harrington could go at any time but again for whom? Gay would become Kirilenko.

This is a really tough call.

I think Plan Haywood and Plan Ilgauskas require an extra trade, compared to holding Hill or Biedrens longterm. These also provide me with the most flexibility.

What do you guys think? I won't say which one I'm leaning towards so as not to bias anyone, I'm really torn on this.
 
47Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 18:50 		Actually forget C and D.

Replace C possibly with a simple Howard to Camby. Harrington would leave midweek, and Gay would be held forever. This one would be brutal moneywise, and I don't know if Camby will escape gravity.

Haywood seems to make the most sense, the problem though is that I don't like any of the options coming out of him for 8.6 or less anyway (assuming Harrington goes to Kaman). Maybe in an ideal world he'll gain a lot of money and some option will pop up, maybe RJ or Randolph.

What do you guys think? Holy crap, less than ten minutes, that would have been something.
 
48Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 19:01 		I went Haywood. At the last second saw Bynum was starting and not enough time to undo it. But at the same time Bynum moved 600k already so that might not be the best idea. Argh.
 
49Soulman
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      Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 19:08 		***Int***
Senator, if it comforts you, I also went Haywood because Arenas was reported out. Which hopefully means other Wizards now also get to touch the rock from time to time. Anyway, at least we can now watch together how Haywood lays one big goose egg after another. ;)
 
50The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 19:17 		I went with Haywood as well from Aldridge.
Went AK-47 to Lebron
 
51The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 19:24 		And Haywood with 2 quick fouls.....sweet
 
52The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 20:01 		Is Aldridge playing for the Wiz tonight? Ground hog day?
 
53Gary Dotson
      Donor
      ID: 571057216
      Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 20:23 		Hey Team,,,Gonna be a rough nite for my team...I have to sit back and watch LBJ go up a zillion dollars, meanwhile RJ gonna loses a ton 2nite...

Hope to start GMD strong with 4 shiny new trades.....and not get caught tradeless again.(heard that before)..

Gonna wait till after tonites games until really finalizing any plans....My only definate is gettin rid of rj and somehow gettin LBJ..

 
54tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 20:39 		Well gang, have Harrington laying an egg, but have Blatche making good use of the Haywood minutes in the first half. Since 7 of us have Moon, here's hoping he has a good game as well.
 
55Senator Urine
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      Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 23:15 		I give up. Ratliff, Collins, Haywood, it continues.
 
56Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 01:15 		tothreeball: I just realized we have a team in the same league!

with Beno barely playing in the 2nd half and Harrington laying another egg, those two heavy gainers over the previous week could start seeing some selling pressure, esp. Harrington. Then there's also Gay and my center place holder Przybilla to deal with. I see going from a GS (most likely Harrington) to a clipper (most likely Kaman) will be a popular strategy, but I'm not even sure Harrington could last that long given he's so widely held.

I have no problem holding Przybilla given the center position is so hard to fill and other options keep falling on a daily basis. And he's only a Frye/Aldridge sprain ankle away from having serious value again. As long as there are other bigger fishes to fry for other people, his daily losses would be masked.

I'm also wondering a way back into Brewer/AK, for those of you that sold him/them, when would you start buying them back? Perhaps Gay to Brewer as early as 25th and Al to AK or Kaman on 30th.
 
57Senator Urine
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      Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 08:43 		Guys, I'm probably going to miss all freezes tonight because of work, so Blooki's going to be running my team.

Case Haywood Out:
Option 1. Harrington, Haywood, Udrih if injured to Kirilenko, Blatche, and Brewer. Get Kaman next week from Howard early. Use the 8 million sitting around to get out of Blatche midweek.
Option 2. Same guys involved except Kaman instead of Kirilenko. Only problem with this is that means I can't get back in to Kirilenko unless I sell Howard midweek which seems inefficient.

Case Haywood In:
Udrih and Harrington to Brewer and Kirilenko. Get Kaman next week from Howard.

Gotta go. What do you guys think? Blooki's going to make the call.
 
58dpr
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      Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 09:30 		flying home for thanksgiving and a busy day today i have a bit more limited access. Udrih isnt injured right? so no need to sell?

looks like Harrington is missing a game so figure he needs to go which is rough with him having the best schedule. My options here are move to Kaman early but this would require that i move Howard to kirilenko to afford armstrong to brewer.

plan b would be move harrington to devin harris and find another way into kaman later but leave the option of moving turkoglu into kiri and hold howard a little longer

i think A is better as it saves a trade and i was prob going to get rid of Howard soon anyways

actually looks like it may be possible to have turkuglu be moved using Plan A anyways depending on price movers. Right now i have like .2 extra to make the trade but since i wont be getting in til sunday Utah players may begi to rise. Moving Howard does give udrih insurance tho.

So move to Kaman today?
 
59dpr
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      Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 09:38 		SU not sure i get ure moves. You making those today or tomorrow because you are moving into utah players. Assuming tomorrow its 3 kaman vs 1 AK + 2Howard assuming u move howard to kaman 11/29 in plan A and to AK 11/24 with plan B. In which case I like getting the 3 Kaman because it might lose some points but should gain good money by getting into Kaman and AK earlier. If your making the move today then get Kaman for sure for points and money.

Why are you selling Udrih tho? Can you afford Harrington to Kaman today and then make like the same moves i have planned for myself in 58 but udrih instead of armstrong?
 
60tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 10:06 		56 Pica - I see we are in a league together, your team is in a good position.

Harrington was sitting beside the eject button for my team, if he is indeed going to miss a game tonight, he will be departing from my team. I am just short going directly to Kaman and don't like any other cheaper center options. I can move him with Rudy Gay to get Camby and potentially Louis Williams. I had Camby to start the year, and his performance was great. His ownership isn't high, and schedule is average. He is always an injury risk, but I figure early in the season, he's not worn down yet. Seems come December every year is when injuries deplete lineups.

I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on Brewer. Although he has continued to perform, he has lost $600K in the last 7 days, and is still shown as the highest owned guard. With new trades in today and Utah not playing, I suspect the sell off will continue today. I'm looking to put him back in my lineup, just not sure when.
 
62Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 10:29 		Harrington is a goner. I'm gonna bank that million bucks he made for me. I can move him to Kaman, AK, or anyone in that price range. But I don't think Udrih is a must sell though. He's a 1mil starting pg for a decent team, what more do you ask?
 
63Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 11:42 		Now that I read about Udrih's injury in the injury thread, I'm reconsidering things. But thigh contusion doesn't sound like a serious injury and I also believe the 2nd unit is the one that almost pulled out the victory, I'm leaning towards holding. His primary replacements, LWilliams and Brewer(!) is not playing so I'll probably wait until game time to make a decision on him.
 
64Winston
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      Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 11:52 		Harrington to Kaman for me. I need to find a way to back to AK a few days later from Gay/Nelson.
 
65The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 12:00 		I'm holding Beno, (still have Brewer). I'd rather have 3 Beno games vs 4 Louis games. Blatche is interesting, but in a week he'll be in the same situation Beno's in now, plus Blatche doesn't start. I gues that would be a one week $$ move.

I'm also holding Haywood. I don't have enough $$ to get Kaman ($1120 short), and making 2 moves just to get Kaman doesn't make sense for my team. The other 2 choices would be Bynum and Sean Williams.

Haywood's sell date is 12/2 and even if he misses tonights game, going to Bynum doesn't gain a game, and going to Sean Williams loses a game. So I'm holding.

Any thoughts or suggestions about skipping Kaman this time around?

SU, I'm with dpr, I didn't understand taking Utah players today.
 
66tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 12:05 		I've annually struggled with early season roster management in terms of points vs $$$. In trying to build a competitive roster value, I'm leaning towards moving Harrington/Gay to Kaman/L Williams. I could fit Camby in, but making the move may be $$$ wiser. Thoughts.
 
67dpr
      ID: 276511312
      Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 12:17 		i woudl try to get kaman after his 1 in 5 at least assuming the production keeps up. u can force get him ferom your Orlando guys or gay who would ahve to go soon after anyways
 
68dpr
      ID: 276511312
      Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 12:24 		66

even from a point [perspective i dont think kaman is that much worse than camby. through there end of Camby's schedule you will lose one game. Right now there averages are pretty close tho granted Camby is more likely to maintain his. I cant see you losing over 75 points till the day you trade Camby. Throw in chance of Camby injury plus saved trade from additional weeks u can hold Kaman and the 3 mill saved going somewhere else im sure and i like Kaman more for many reason other then the money he will bring in.
 
69tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 14:11 		Thanks dpr, I agree with your rationale. I'll move Al/Rudy to Kaveman/L Williams. No other real pressing needs this week, but now have the $$$ to get Brewer and AK47 at a later date, or deal with a potential early Howard sell off.
 
70Gary D @ work
      ID: 44650614
      Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 17:58 		Hello caveman for me also...Will turn jefferson into AK...later in week....

Not really sure how im gettin into LBJ,, Maybe Kobe but think it might end up being Howard....
 
71Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 18:54 		Alright, I made it back in time.

I went Harrington and Haywood (who I got last night) to Kaman and Antonio Daniels.

Udrih will turn into Brewer tomorrow now that it looks like Udrih's going to play tonight according to NBA.com

Howard will turn into Kirilenko mid-week. I'll be sitting on 6 million for awhile, but maybe that's a good thing because unplanned stuff always happens. I mean, look at the past 12 hours, everything changed entirely. Haywood went down, Harrington goes from "selling early in a week" to "selling now", Arenas goes down freeing up Daniels, Udrih becomes questionable, etc. Completely changed everything.

I worked out the Kaman thing, I think getting him now as opposed to my original Kirilenko tomorrow plan works out to 4 Kaman's vs. 1 Kirilenko and 2 Dwight. Especially since Dwight will be on the way down, and Kaman is on the way up, I think I have to take that.
 
72Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 18:57 		I hope skipping Blatche doesn't haunt me, but I don't know how to fit him in. It's either him or Daniels, and Daniels is more proven and occupies that valuable guard slot.
 
73Blooki
      Sustainer
      ID: 449292712
      Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 19:20 		Went Harrington/Bass => Sean Williams/Antonio Daniels x15

I don't feel very good about Sean, but I had to bring aboard a C. Other combinations I considered were:

Kaman/Louis Williams
Bynum/Louis Williams
Kaman/Blatche
Bynum/Blatche

Felt that Antonio Daniels has shown himself good enough (33 TSNP/g over 10 games w/o Arenas over last season and this one) to warrant going out of my way to acquire.
 
74Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 08:22 		Not that I didn't enjoy Kaman's awesome game last night, but the additional cash of him over Harrington changed my plan of going Przybilla > Brewer and Gay > AK. I suspect Gay > AK will be a popular move after Saturday's game, given Gay didn't completely blow up. hmmmmm
 
75Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 10:35 		Well, what to do about Sean Williams now...ugh, I jumped the gun on that one. I thought he was going to be like Aldridge was last year once he got the starting job.
 
76Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 10:39 		Congrats SU on picking up both Daniels and Kaman. How long do you plan to hold Daniels?
 
77Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 10:46 		With Daniels I think I have to take it day by day. Ideally I could hold him a long time but realistically that probably isn't possible.

I had a nightmare last night that Bynum put up 56-50, and then I was supposed to buy Billups for his big game yesterday but I missed the freeze by two minutes. I could still theoretically get Bynum from Sean Williams for Sunday's game after moving Howard for Kirilenko. But Bynum has already moved so much and the end of the schedule is approaching. Plus this would leave me tradeless.

I think Sean may have to stay all week regardless of his output. Any replacement would have to be a center also unless I skip Kirilenko which I won't do.
 
78Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 10:59 		SU, Howard > Kirilenko after Orlando's b2b? that would be a logical entry point, but is still a little premature to drop Howard, in my opinion. I'd love to do Gay > AK, but short on funds....
 
79Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 11:08 		Yeah, I really don't want to get out of Howard, but it's feeling like a necessity since Kirilenko is just such good value. The extra money could be used to get out of Sean Williams and possibly Daniels whenever it looks like he has to go.

I figure there's no way Howard makes it to his 12/3 game, so the next logical sell date would have been 11/29 in a package for Kaman, but I got him last night. So it was a tradeoff of 4 Kaman vs. 2 Howard and 1 Kirilenko, I had to go with Kaman.

I guess after Howard's game on 12/2 he could theoretically be moved for Kirilenko, but I think that's a lot of money to give up. Kirilenko's going to gain a lot and Howard will lose some (not much possibly though with the way he's been playing). Plus when you factor in the chance to get out of Williams if he needs to go, I think I have to do it.

I ran the numbers and I'd have almost 9 million for a center from Williams midweek if I want to go tradeless or at the end if I don't. I don't like any of the options.

I thought I had been doing a good job conserving trades, but then I just got destroyed with injuries / DNPs, one right after another. Ratliff, Collins, Haywood, Harrington, etc. Hopefully I can start banking some again soon.
 
81dpr
      ID: 276511312
      Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 11:33 		first off nice start to GMD. lets keep in first.

with Udrih out he is becoming Brewer which leaves me not sure what to do with Armstrong. Id have .8M to upgrade now. I need to move to a guard or Howard will be my only option into Kirilenko (opposed to Turkoglu) So this makes me lean towards Louis Williams (had him earlier and that afternoon was like what did i do his production and schedule are really bad but thats the best I see).

The alternative would be to move Howard instead of Turkoglu into Kirilenko giving me more options out of armstrong (about 5mill) though that is too close to the end of Wash schedule to consider those guys IMO (bynum same thing) and no one else is standing out.

Anyone see options? leaning Louis williams though thats tough because 3 days ago I would have said he was my worst move of the year.
 
84The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 10:29 		My team is a mess. I guess I'm going Gay to Daniels and Beno to Blatche, and hope Haywood plays. If Haywood sits, I can get Bynum but miss out on either AK-47 or Kaman. There are zero options at center under 4 million that makes sense from Haywood at this time.

I'm not excited about taking more Wizard players because they may have to be traded on 12/2 to protect gains. My other options are Louis Williams (yuck), or holding Beno if he plays and take the massive $$ hits.

I'd rather have Beno (if he plays) over Blatche or Louis, but its early and I must think $$ here.



 
85Winston
      Donor
      ID: 119543011
      Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 10:37 		Bandwagon - think you double post the team stat, suggest delete one.

I am considering Gay to A.Daniel today and Nelson to
AK (Sunday or today - lost one Nelson game).
 
86Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 11:09 		I'm probably going Gay > Daniels and Udrih > Brewer, sure hope Brewer is going to have a price reversal. Any wild guesses on Brewer's price change tonight?

The sad part about this plan is I have no way to get into AK and still have Przybilla on the bench. But the moves should bring in some money and leave about 2m in cash.
 
87The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 12:31 		Hmm, looking out 14 days starting on 11/25 with all players 5.5 mill and below, it doesn't make sense to trade Gay unless you upgrade to AK-47, Kaman, or Z. The other players who project more than Gay during that span are already highly owned, or players who aren't worth there price.

I already have other in's to Ak-47 and Kaman so that leaves me with Z. I think I'll keep Gay and his g/f and take the $$ hit.

Kobe to Kiri
Beno to Daniels

Haywood to Kaman or could wait until 12/2 to do this one.

I think I like this plan better than post 84. That lets me avoid Blatche/Louis and the possible headache in a week or so.

Opinions?

Pica, I think you'll see alot of Beno to Brewer trades tonight. Some will go to Blatche. I think Brewer gains atleast 80k tonight.
 
88tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 13:05 		86 Pica, I too am wondering when the Brewer price reversal starts. The interesting thing is Brewer is still shown as the highest owned guard and has lost $700K in the last week including $130K on Wednesday. Judging by the trading commentary on the forum, sounds like tonight may be the start of the reversal.

My lineup is decent, however I want to get AK47 and Brewer into my lineup shortly. This means holding Howard, which I'm Ok with, just worried as a highly owned player, an early sell frenzy could be costly. I have $3.5 banked, so I can move Azubuike/cheap forward (Moon or Shawne Williams) to Brewer / AK47. I was considering moving one of those to Brewer today, but as injury insurance, perhaps I should wait until Sunday. This would mean going tradeless Sunday, which given the light schedules Sun, Mon, tues may not be high risk. Thoughts would be appreciated.
 
89tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 13:18 		87 Bandwagon - Obviously Daniels will be a big pickup today, given your 6 trades, this seems to be $$$ wise.
 
90Gary D @ work
      ID: 44650614
      Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 13:58 		RJ to Ak47 for me today...Also beno - blatche...
Tmrw will be kobe-LBJ...
 
91Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 16:14 		Looks like Haywood's expected to play per rotoworld.
 
92The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 16:46 		Hmm, hold Haywood and get Kaman from him on 12/2? Haywood 6 games vs 4 Kaman games. If they hold season averages Haywood gains 6 points, loses $$ while Kaman gains $$. The only way holding Haywood would work, is if Kaman got hurt between now and 12/2, or quit producing. I think I'm still taking Kaman.

Stealing a line from SU, I discovered a monster rotation in the next few weeks by holding Rudy Gay through 12/8.

 
93The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 16:49 		Scratch that, Kaman +5 points over Haywood from today until 12/2 based on season averages.
 
94Intruder
      ID: 4810502315
      Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 17:08 		Bandwagon, your group has done well conserving trades but you guys are all relatively low in RV except DPR compared to other groups. Is that a concern for your team?
 
95qwert
      Donor
      ID: 2910242819
      Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 17:23 		JMISA...er, sorry...Intruder...Bandwagon's team averages about 57K per team, which is pretty much average for the GMD teams...and trades make money, so I think they're doing ok.
 
96JMISA
      ID: 3210172215
      Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 17:34 		hah i tracked down IDs and intruder been posting as me
 
97dpr
      ID: 276511312
      Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 20:40 		i did move into Louis williams which I hope I dont regret for a second time. To get AK from turkoglu needed a guard from Hilton who was less than a million and weren't many options...dont really like the move tho
 
98Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 00:59 		I have no idea what to do now. I only have two trades left, and I have Sean Williams and I don't have Kirilenko.

Originally I was going to move Howard for Kirilenko and just sit on that extra money I'd have (around 6 million), but even if I go tradeless and apply it to Sean (it would have to be a center in this case), I don't like any of the options at all.

My second plan was tentatively moving Action Jackson to Kirilenko after tomorrow's game (not that Jackson needs to be moved at all, but I'm feeling like Kirilenko is a must). If I do this, then my options for Sean are more limited moneywise but I can get any position. Sadly Louis Williams looks like the best option, most others are in gravity.

So basically, if I decide to sell Sean, I have to either skip Kirilenko or go tradeless. Ugh.
 
99Blooki
      Sustainer
      ID: 449292712
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 02:49 		I hate Sean Williams...

I think I'm stuck holding him. Replacement would have to be a C under $3.23mil and I can't imagine myself selling any of the other guys on my roster at this point.

Would it be weird to hope that Lebron goes down with an injury?
 
101Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 11:09 		Right now I'm (regrettably) leaning towards going tradeless, and moving Sean Williams for Louis Williams today (especially on the news that Andre Miller possibly may not play) and Action Jackson for Kirilenko tomorrow.

That would mean I'd have to get through two price freezes (Monday and Tuesday) and two nights of games (Sunday and Monday) without anything stupid happening. Sunday I would have four players going (Lebron, Brewer, Moon, and Kirilenko) and Monday I would have six (Harris, Baron, Brewer, Kirilenko, Kaman, and Dwight).

What do you guys think? Also in this plan, Dwight would be held until the 4th.
 
102qwert
      Donor
      ID: 2910242819
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 11:18 		sorry to intrude, but trading stephen jackson to go tradeless?

I know it hurts to miss out on AK money, but you could make the trade on 11/30 without missing out on any games. In the meantime, given his production, SJax will likely see gains, though certainly not as many as AK.
 
103Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 11:27 		Yeah I know, it feels crazy. It's just that if I sell Sean Williams today (which is feeling like a must) for Louis Williams, my only in to Kirilenko would be Jackson. My original in was Dwight, but he's been ridiculously good and my stockpile of centers has disappeared due to injuries / personal reasons / stupid coaches.

I guess I don't have to decide that aspect of it now at least, a lot can change in a night. I just have to figure out whether Sean to Louis is the right move.
 
104Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 12:08 		I'm not too sure about selling a strong, absolute and relative wise, performer with an awesome schedule in Jax and in doing so getting tradeless. I don't have AK either and thought hard on how to get him. But I probably don't want to take on excessive risk to get him.

Is this Louis Williams guy for real? I know nothing about him but he seems to be cutting into Dre's PT and there's a strong chance the Sixers will be involved in many blowouts. I am considering Przybilla > LWilliams. But I have to decide who will be my center after Howard's eventual departure.
 
105The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 12:34 		Great job team, we're off to a good start.

SU, I think you're asking for it by going Sean Williams to Louis. Unless you need that extra 1.7 mill, I'd hold Sean. I'd keep an eye on Horford and see how he does coming off the bench, or wait a week on Rasheed.

Kentucky Indians is in the top 100 and still holding Hilton, so holding Sean at a weak postion may not hurt you as bad as you think.

Skipping Baron has killed my momentum, and the worst non move I've made so far. I'm just trying to survive until GState sched cools, or Baron goes down. I'm not going to force anything this early in the season, but the waiting game on Baron is getting very old quick.

Other than Baron, I like my team. The only potential production worry is Jamario Moon, but I can live with one.


 
106Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 12:41 		The thing with Sean though is that unlike Hilton, he has a lot of room to fall at over 2 million. He's owned enough that he's going to take some big hits, and combined with that schedule a re-entry to gravity is inevitable. I think Louis has shown he can get at least 18 a game consistently, and with this Miller news, it just seems like he could be a guard version of Moon.

I'm really not sure what to do, hopefully there's an injury or suspension of convenience today that will make it more clear.
 
107Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 13:11 		Maybe I should listen to rotoworld? :

Nenad Krstic's knee is fine, which is the good news. The bad news is that his conditioning is poor, his reaction time isn't what it once was, and he told reporters on Friday, "I feel lost, confused."
"I really am not helping the team at all...so maybe it's just better to shut down and work out and get ready in a couple weeks, maybe more," Krstic said. "I don't know how long it's going to take." Krstic hasn't been in any fantasy lineups lately, and owners who gambled on him in their drafts just have to hope that he salvages his season during the second half of the schedule. Sean Williams has an even better chance at establishing consistent minutes with this news.
 
108The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 13:30 		Rrrr, I can't beleive this about Rudy Gay. (Refer to post 92) I had a monster rotation that involved keeping him, and now this!

I did watch that game last night, and rotoworld made it sound alot worse than it was. Gay hurt his finger by the basket as a foul was called. When Memphis went to the free throw line, Gay came out. After the free throws, a timeout was called, and all Memphis starters were pulled due to the blowout, and none of them returned.

I think Gay plays tonight. It didn't look that bad, and its on his non shooting hand.
 
109Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 14:19 		I think these are my only realistic options thanks to gravity:

A) Hold Sean. Hope something develops overnight that will make the path to Kirilenko more clear, or hope he gets minutes.

B) Hold Sean today, go tradeless by moving him with Dwight for Ilgauskas and Kirilenko. Z is short term though which I don't need thanks to my recent string of horrendous luck that depleted my trades.

C) Sean to Louis Williams today, evaluate the Kirilenko situation tomorrow.

D) Sean to Blatche today, with the intent of holding Blatche through those three days off. Is this realistic?
 
110Gary Dotson
      Donor
      ID: 571057216
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 14:54 		SU: My .02 cents is that is seems like a very lateral move..Like Guru says" when in doubt,,HOLD"....
 
111Gary Dotson
      Donor
      ID: 571057216
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 14:55 		and YES team i made the LBJ deadline...
 
112tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 17:40 		109 Senator. I'm uncomfortable with B. I'm not sure you can go too wrong with A, when in doubt sometimes do nothing is a reasonable option, although I'm not a big fan of Williams. In terms of C & D, both should make $$ if that is a primary goal. I like Blatche, picked him up before the Haywood injury, he had been getting decent minutes and production, and was looking at a long cheap hold. I guess in summary, the only option I don't like is B.

I have two trades, I am moving Shawne Williams to Brewer tonight, and had originally planned Azubuike to Kirilenko tomorrow. Problem is the $$ window is now $110K for me which I feel will close tonight. Should I make the trade tonight before the 11pm deadline. All of my players other than Kaman will have finished their games so I'll know if I've picked up any injuries. The schedule isn't heavy over the next 3 days, somewhat lessening the injury risk. I'm inclined to go ahead, what I make on the Azu/AK47 trade could offset any injury losses. Thoughts?
 
113qwert
      Donor
      ID: 2910242819
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 17:44 		sorry to intrude again, but Azu will be frozen at 7 pm, so if you're trading him for Kirilenko tonight, you can't wait and see.
 
114tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 17:51 		qwert, thanks, I was just looking at that, I can save the Williams to Brewer trade for the deadline.
 
115qwert
      Donor
      ID: 2910242819
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 17:52 		but then you wouldn't have the cash to make the trade from Azu to AK, no?
 
116tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 17:53 		Crap, can't do that either, I need a G for Azubuike. Azu to Brewer now, Williams to AK47 at the deadline.
 
117Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 18:57 		I think I've narrowed my options between holding and going to Blatche. Louis was tempting, but I was forgetting the Korver factor. The minutes may not remain, and is he always going to be shooting this well?

I guess what it comes down to is, will Williams start getting minutes again? Maybe they'll need him against Bynum tomorrow, his three best games seem to have come against fairly dominant big men.
 
118Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 19:55 		Any last second thoughts on holding Williams vs. going to Blatche? Right now I may hold but I don't really want to, just in hopes that something better will open up or Williams will get the minutes...
 
119Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 20:00 		I decided to hold. Washington has Dallas and San Antonio coming up, a couple of bad foul trouble nights could quickly influence the masses' plans to hold longterm.
 
120The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 20:50 		I like your decision SU. Sorry I couldn't chime in earlier, I was trying to find out if Rudy Gay was going to play or not.
 
121JMISA
      ID: 21056316
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 21:56 		Senator Urine
I was in the same situation with sean williams 2 days ago before his friday game and i decided to move him to louis williams as it gave me the money to move wright into AK 47 .... i was really worried about louis williams as he is highly unproven and Korver is coming back as Yehosh pointed out to me after i made the trade .. but so far after tonights game i have to say im very satisfied with his production and minutes

When u brought up the money loss problem with sean williams when u compared him to hilton i have to disagree though
tru he is currently the 6th highest owned center ... but if you notice the Center and owned lists r highly skewed because there arent many options so the gross majority of people are holding the top 2 or 3 with very little holding the next few on list (thats why u still see people like adonal foyle or jake voshkul on the list and wonder who the hell would have him)he's only gone up a 150k since his upward and overall he is actually down from his starting price so i don't think you would really have to worry bout RV loss for keeping him if u decide to do that.
 
122JMISA
      ID: 21056316
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 23:03 		s williams only went down 10k today
 
123Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 23:18 		That's a good point about the center ownership, and it looks like that's what happened tonight. You're right, I think if Sean's situation were with a guard or forward, we would have seen -150 tonight. Hopefully the minutes will start coming again.

Right now I'm second guessing myself, wondering if I should have gone to Louis (thrilled I didn't get Blatche tonight). But I have to remember there were reasons I didn't, and those reasons are still there. Korver's a big X-Factor.

Utah's got the early game tomorrow, so I have to decide by 10 am PST about whether to get into Kirilenko and from whom (Jackson or Howard). Both seem crazy, but I know I'm going to want Kirilenko very soon and waiting is only going to cost me half a million or more. GS to Kaman moves next week also concern me. I don't know.
 
124The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 23:35 		For what its worth I think SJ has played over his head since he's came back. History says he's a mid 20's TSNP's guy, not 35.

The SJ to AK-47 is lateral, and you'd really kick yourself if AK went down with an injury.
On the other hand, you may of milked SJ for all he's worth, and the move to AK should net you $$ and probably more points IF he stays healthy.
 
125Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 23:59 		Yeah, I'm starting to think there's no longer such a thing as a mid-ranged longterm hold, unless you get on well before the schedule is great. It's a trend that's been increasing over the past couple years. Player X is producing well, has great schedule, price inflates - people want to keep their gains and ride the next guy up. It just gets earlier and earlier each year. I don't think this rule applies to Kirilenko so much right now, because his schedule isn't "great" but it's certainly good enough for someone priced so low compared to his output. Even if he gained a million, he's still probably the best option in that price range. I think he's going to have multiple buy dates (tomorrow, 11/28, 12/2, 12/7) by the time his schedule gets "great" on 12/11. If there are any sells in between, they should be minor and only cause the subsequent gains to be greater.

That being said, if he gets injured all of this is out the window. But that's the case with any player I guess. I hate, hate, hate selling Jackson, but I'm leaning towards protecting my gains and attempting to gain more with Kirilenko. Money is really important this year, what with every cheap center option being worthless. I can't think of one off the top of my head that I could comfortably rely on to get me 15 a game.

I do have the option of going Howard instead, but that would 100% lock me into keeping Sean Williams before I'd get to evaluate since he has the later game. Even after evaluating, the only good replacement would be Ilgauskas since it would have to be a center with Howard gone, and he's so short term. After the downfall of all the other centers (and after truly realizing just how great Howard has been when I saw his line tonight, and thought "crap, only 43") I think Howard's price will be safe. I think aside from Lebron, there's no safer bet than him right now.
 
126Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 09:47 		Today's move will probably be getting AK, but I just can't figure out a way into him. Guess I'll pass on him until something pops up. No trades planned until Tuesday.

Time to figure out the center strategy in post-Howard era. Besides Kaman, who do you really want as your other center?
 
128Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 11:54 		I'm 90% leaning towards doing Jackson-->Kirilenko. I want Jackson to stay, but I'm feeling like Kirilenko's a must and that Howard has to stay also because of the C situation.
 
129qwert
      Donor
      ID: 2910242819
      Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 12:00 		SU, I'm in a similar quandry over on the Wolf Pack thread with Turkoglu instead of Jackson, but one thing to think about in terms of whether AK is a must have is that he has actually been very mediocre apart from 3 or 4 games...all of which were against porous defences.
 
130Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 12:11 		Yeah, I'm starting to get some second thoughts now but I'm not sure. Kirilenko can just rack up stats so quickly though, that if he gets it going he's essential. Starting 12/11 his opponents seem extremely favorable to him putting up big numbers, so if I get him now or then, it could just be an issue of paying an extra million for him.

When do you guys think the money for Jackson and Harris are going to stop? I actually have the option of getting him from either, though if you extend it out a couple weeks I'd lose a game by doing Harris.
 
131Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 12:50 		I think I'm going to go for it. Sell high, buy low, right?

I think I agree with Bandwagon in that Action Jackson has been playing over his head since he returned. Looking back at last year's numbers, he's due for some sub 20 and sub 10 games, and Harrington can't keep this stinking up forever, right? He has to start stealing some stats?
 
132Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 13:11 		I went for it. I'm hoping that Artest and Houston can force a couple low TSNP games out of Jackson just in time for the two days off, and make people start thinking about cashing in. It's going to suck missing the Phoenix game tomorrow...
 
133JMISA
      ID: 21056316
      Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 16:59 		126: I brought that situation up in another thread ... the post Howard C situation i know we will all have Kaman but with bynum and big z's scheudle drying up and harrington and haywoods inconsistencies thre is a lack of options .... doin some research i found the best available options (if u hold til 12/3) would have to be either

1. Get big AL Jeffferson of Minnesota .... like i said before with gravity he should be mid 8 mill by then and his recent string of games put his avg in the high 30's ... truu his tsnp/gm is still low to his price tag but come on what center's isnt except kaman, Camby and howard ..... on that note its also iportant to include that he also has had only 1 sub 30 pt hame all season.

2. Get Rasheed for his stretch ... many people will probably want to go with him becasue of past seasons and his consistency but is 6+ mill tag for 29/gm isnt too inviting to me

3. See if theo ratliff gets back into play at under 2 mill and 20+tsnp /gm avg he can make ofr a cheapine ceneter option

I'm leaning most towards #1 with consideration for 2 only if i find i 'll need that extra 2 mill to upgrade somewhere else
 
134tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 20:35 		132 Senator, certainly a good RV move. Although GS puts up big numbers, there is only 1 ball and with everyone available in the lineup between, Baron, Azubuike, SJax, Harrington, Ellis, Biedrens and even Barnes, the points can get spread pretty thin. I am now out of GS players, other than Baron, I'll probably stay away.

 
135JMISA
      ID: 21056316
      Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 21:03 		hey bandwagon ... i noticed me and u (late wagon) are #1 and #2 on the basic league top list ..... what does that mean that we are in basic leagues? i noticed alot of the teams are late teams (my team was 3 days late) but being in basic does that disqualify us from winning possible prizes with those teams?
 
136Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 22:59 		I just took a screen shot of the TSN rankings as I think this is the highest my team's ever ranked in my Smallworld/TSN career. I attribute this all to luck.
 
137The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 00:25 		#135, I don't play the basic game. Late Wagon is in the Ultimate game.
 
138JMISA
      ID: 151050262
      Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 03:51 		Bandwagon

Ya thaats what i mean .... go on the standings area and click basic
u will se u at #1 and me at #2 what does that mean though to be in basic area of Ultimate?
 
140The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 12:36 		JMISA, the only thing I can figure out is, I must be #1 overall in TSN created leagues, and you're #2. I've never noticed that until you pointed out.

I wonder if they give out prize money for that? ;)
 
141The Bandwagon
      Donor
      ID: 479521116
      Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 12:53 		I kept Rudy Gay, and will keep him until 12/9. The only options that made since point wise looking out to 12/9 was Ak-47, and Kaman. I already had them, so I'll take the $ hits, and save the trade for a better point opportunity.

Gay had already lost 360k before his 11/24 game, so I felt another 300K loss, and a saved trade was worth it for the price/production/schedule he provides.
 
142dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 13:35 		well if by TSN created leagues you mean autoleagues then that can't be it because my team and I'm sure others are in autoleagues. If you both created your teams after the game started than that is probably it.

Im very pleased with how my team looks right now. Im top 10 in both RV and TSNP. with 6 going today i think i can move up more (tho its real annoying that other teams frozen rosters dont show a next game stat so u pretty much have to memorize the schedule to know what they have going) a great start.

Tradewise i am also looking pretty good. Only Howard Lebron and Z have to go in the next 3 weeks. I'm sure other trades will pop up but with a likely surplus of trades and pretty much unlimited funds in getting these guys replacements I might use trades to get on short compact schedules.

Considering a Howard to Pho for 4 in 5 to Bosh rotation if his production keeps up. That leaves me needing a center when I move Z. Anyone wanna get back into Howard? after the 1 in 6 is schedule looks pretty good, not great, but with his production I may consider. otherwise maybe jefferson.

When selling Lebron I need to figure a way back into him after the 2 in 8 so maybe just trade to some1 else than right back to him if no other options. If there is a player who gets 40/game for 5 games (wade) this would be about 100 points plus cash for 2 trades. Not bad but if Lebron keeps up ridiculous production might be tough.

 
143Gary Dotson
      Donor
      ID: 571057216
      Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 19:13 		Way to go Team Bandwagon....Were off to a good start...Lets keep it up

Only move im sure of is dumping Awright after trade refresh...Needed him to pull off the kobe-LBJ move..Prob going to go into Lwillams and pocket the extra $
 
144JMISA
      ID: 151050262
      Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 19:51 		140 Bandwagon

Yea i thought of that but if u check top leagues alot of TSN auto leagues have top 100 wwr teams and in my own league there is someone in top 100

What I think it means is that they are all "late" teams ... if thats true then i feel proud to be #2 cause then i otuscored everyone except u since 11/02 =). I jus hope it means we are still elgible for prizes though because its my only team (was away before the season started)
 
145Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 19:56 		Unless something stupid happens, I should only have one trade this week (Howard to someone on Phoenix - ideally Nash, but that may screw up my Lebron transition).

As of now, I'm planning on holding Daniels given the lack of better options in that price range. He may take one hit that first day off, a minor copy-cat one the day after, and then the third night he should start rising again as other options fail and as people do combo swaps involving Howard.

With the way Howard and Lebron are playing, it feels necessary to get back into them immediately, even if it's through 2nd-half-of-season type moves like Howard-PlayerX-Howard and Lebron-PlayerY-Lebron.
 
146Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 20:05 		Bandwagon, I just sent you an email.
 
147Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 03:06 		Do you guys think today marks the beginning of the end of Howard? I believe so, as people are going to sell early to protect gains, especially in a light trading day tomorrow.
 
148Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 06:33 		Anyone here considering Bogut?
 
149Gary D @ work
      ID: 44650614
      Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 12:46 		I dont know about the rest of you but im HOLDING howard...Like soulman pointed out, the matchups are too great to be ignored.I will gladly sacrifice the $$ for the points in this case...
 
150Gary D @ work
      ID: 44650614
      Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 12:48 		Also you can still get bogut on the 4th....or let things play out and see what options arise...
 
151 The Bandwagon
      ID: 111052712
      Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 13:14 		Sorry about the stats for today. I fried my computer this morning and lost everything. I had to go buy a cheapie from Wal-Mart.

I've also misplaced my Microsoft office cd, so I don't know when I'll find another copy to install on my new computer. So that means no stats until I figure out something. I really don't want to buy another copy of Microsoft office.

Anyway, SU I'll get back to you on the e-mail tomorrow. I'm working 10-12 hours a day right now, and getting a new computer set up today took almost all my free time.

Did you know that it takes almost an hour from the time you turn on a new computer, until the time you can actually get to the net? I had to fill out a thousand forms before this compaq would let me go to the desktop. Rrrrrrrrr

Pica, yes I have plans for Bogut, actually from Jameer maybe today. Thats what I wanted to look at this morning before I leave for work, but this computer problem ruined my plans.
 
152tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 13:20 		Kudo's to the team. With Pica, Senator and dpr occupying the top 3 spots thus far it is impressive. Starting to think about Howard. For Blooki, Kaman is certainly an option, for the rest of us, the aforementioned Bogut, Sheed, Al Jefferson, and maybe Sean Williams are players worth considering. At this point certainly contemplating holding until the 4th, although we'll see how the potential sell off shapes up before then. I am our sole Kobe holder, and will move him to Kidd on 12/1. Other than that, no planned trades, although situations always seem to develop.
 
153The Bandwagon
      ID: 111052712
      Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 14:53 		I went Jameer to Bogut x5. Bogut opens up options so that I don't have to get a center from Howard on the 4th.

I hate paying 7 mill for Bogut, but if you look at all centers under 6 million, you'll see that Bogut doesn't look that bad after all. Of course Z, Kaman, Bynum pop up, but I already have Kaman, and Z, and Bynums schedules are too short.

I could've waited until the 4th to do this move, but hopefully it will net some $$ and points.

Off to work I go.
 
154Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 19:57 		I'm holding Howard, in the hopes that his strong performances and lack of really good C options right now will keep his price relatively steady before I can move him into a Sun, which I think is where the big money is going to be.

Bogut I think can be a good option depending on your needs, but I'm personally staying away. I had him for a very long time last year and while he was adequate, he was a few million cheaper and he was always one of those players that would make you nervous checking the boxscore. I knew if I moved into him today, I'd want that money freed up immediately. All it takes is one bad game to derail a train, which I'm learning all too well lately. I hate this game.

Jaric has been doing well lately, what are your thoughts on him? It seems like he has a history of doing this, putting up a few great games and then all of a sudden it's single digits and out of the rotation. Luckily for me the Washington and Minnesota schedules don't fit at all, so I'll be able to avoid spending hours debating it and probably just hold Daniels for another couple weeks.
 
155Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 06:36 		SU, why do you think Phx will be getting big money? In my opinion, there are all viable fantasy options in Phx costs more than 9m and many teams have locked a lot of funds in other studs such as LBJ and Baron/Kobe to generate any consistent, sustainable money inflows in either Nash or Amare. Maybe we'll see one huge 200k boost on Dec4 but not much afterwards. I'm leaning towards doing a straight Howard > some player > Howard on Dec10.

Can't figure out whom to move besides Howard this week, hmm but my team's already bleeding money. Blatche > Moon is lateral, but should get some cash in.
 
156The Bandwagon
      ID: 111052712
      Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 11:32 		Guru, I downloaded office to my new computer this morning, but I can't run the GMD stats. I keep getting this error.

Microsoft visual basic
Runtime error '75':
Path/file access error

Any suggestions?
 
157The Bandwagon
      ID: 111052712
      Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 14:59 		Sorry team on the stat delay. If anyone knows how to correct the above error, please let me know asap.
 
158Gary D @ work
      ID: 44650614
      Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 17:34 		Guess my only move today is wright-beno. I like the starting factor and really not sure about williams. he is a very good player but not sure if the minutes wil be there...Only 22 minutes last nite....kinda scares me.
 
159Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 17:56 		I guess big money wasn't the right word, guaranteed probably would have been the better one. By doing a Dwight --> Phoenix --> Dwight rotation, you're pretty much guaranteed a huge swing that you can cash in on, as opposed to Bogut where a bad game or two can start screwing things up.

I'm half tempted to move Sean Williams to Jaric right now, I'd have 0 in the bank. But Minnesota faces Dallas and San Antonio next, which can quickly ruin buying interest. Plus NJ is playing some big teams, which usually seems to result in Williams getting more minutes. So I think I'm going to hold, all of the other options in that price range are pretty lousy. Having that extra C is always helpful too, I'm hoping I can hold onto him for another week or two, before finding a way to upgrade him into Nelson or something after Wade(?) turns back into Lebron and Orlando's schedule gets good again.
 
160soetal1
      ID: 359122910
      Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 04:11 		#156
Does the specified directory exist? I don't believe it will be created automatically just by specifying the path. If any portion of the path does not exist yet you will have to explicitly create it. Check if the stats folder exists, or create one just like the one you used to have.
 
161dpr
      ID: 561049299
      Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 10:52 		ok i have limited time but im considering lebron to kobe.

should not cost me points even if Lebron plays and in the case he sits it gains good money and points? shrt term schedule i think is fine because i shold be fine on trades

wat are u guys doing?

 
162Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 11:05 		I thought about Kobe, but what to do after his 5 games though, he doesn't transition back to LBJ well, if you can pull off a LBJ > Kobe > Wade > LBJ. Then i guess it's ok. But it's kind of early to pull off these moves.
 
163Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 11:23 		Leaning towards Dirk... he does transition back into LBJ well, as I don't have any triangle options. While I'm in trade burning mode, might as well do the lateral Blatche > Moon move as well.
 
164Blooki
      Sustainer
      ID: 449292712
      Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 12:27 		Outside of Kobe, Garnett and Camby, why not wait a day to confirm that Lebron is out (which is far from a likelihood given the news thusfar) before replacing him with a player who doesn't play tonight?
 
165Gary D @ work
      ID: 44650614
      Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 13:15 		Im holding LBJ until more info...
 
166The Bandwagon
      ID: 111052712
      Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 13:20 		Sorry once again about the stats. Guru is trying to figure out the glitch. He's been a big help and I realized how I take what he does here for granted. I donated to this great site today, and I encourage anyone that hasn't donated, to do so.

I'm definately holding Lebron tonight and wait for more news. I like the Dirk or Marion option better than doing the Lebron->Kobe->Wade->Lebron rotation. Kobe hasn't been consistent, and Wade isn't 100%.

I'll gladly take the $ hit tonight, and hopefully take Lebrons 60+ fantasy points tomorrow night.
 
167tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 13:23 		I suspect there will be a number of LBJ to Kobe moves today. I'm not sure I'd make that move, although since I already own Kobe, its not an option. Garnett and Camby aren't options I'd look at so I'll wait until later tonight to decide. Dirk is an option I'd look at. Although we have all decided thus far to take the Howard losses, I'm less certain I'll hold LBJ through this one. Unfortunately it wasn't a trade I had planned for so I'll look at 2 plans for the balance of the week, one with LBJ, one without.
 
168Blooki
      Sustainer
      ID: 449292712
      Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 13:28 		Leaning towards a Lebron => Garnett => Howard. Wish there were going to be more money on this route, but dodging money losses is not unlike being on board for money gains.

Also of concern is that it's been a while since Garnett has had a monster, but he's Garnett right?
 
169deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 13:30 		dont mention it Blooki. :=)
 
171The Bandwagon
      ID: 111052712
      Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 14:36 		Thanks Guru
 
172Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 18:12 		I think Lebron has to go tonight. It's going to either be Kobe or Garnett, I can't do Camby because I was stubborn and held onto Sean Williams so both of my center spots are occupied.

Garnett has the Garnett advantage. Kobe has the probably money advantage and also the ability to be moved into Wade instead of going right back into Howard (depending on how Wade is playing of course). At the same time, if I get Kobe, that means no Nash from Howard at the end of the week because my guards would be full (Kobe, Baron, Harris, Daniels).

What do you guys think? I want Garnett, but I'll probably end up taking Kobe.
 
173Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 19:37 		Actually Kobe's scratched now. It's between Garnett and Dirk. Garnett I'd much rather have, and I'd hate trading into Dirk tonight only to see Lebron play tomorrow. But Lebron has to go today regardless. Ugh, I don't know what to do.
 
174tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 20:39 		I already have Kobe, am leaning towards Lebron to Dirk. His production has improved of late and his schedule is solid for 3 weeks. Had considered holding, but sounds like it will be a $$$ bloodbath tonight. Every cloud has a silver lining. Should dilute potential losses on Howard tonight.
 
176The Bandwagon
      Sustainer
      ID: 479521116
      Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 10:09 		I gave in to the peer pressure last night, and went Lebron to Kobe.

I'm not very comfortable with the Kobe->Wade upcoming move, but I felt if I'm going to trade Lebron, I want a extra game out of it. Kobe was the only way to gain a game this week.

I've officially gave up on Baron tweaking a hammy. That guy burns me everytime I get him, or don't get him. He's the #1 reason my team is lagging behind. The #2 reason is Mr. Stephen "I'm hitting my peak in my 15th season" Jackson.
 
178Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 12:11 		wooh, not having AK finally bit me in a bad way. And this is the very last game I wish he'd continue to stink and he came through in a massive way. The Baron and Jax sell off really caught me blink-sided, were there any injury news to both that I was not aware of?

I'm opting out of Howard 2 games early and get Kidd. I need to come up with some kind of plan to save my sinking team fast. But it all comes down to the magic 2nd center spot. But the relative underperformance of Przybilla is beginning to creep in. Sigh, what to do...
 
179Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 12:25 		I just realize I screwed myself the other day when I got Garnett. I have to move Howard today, for Kidd as Blooki brilliantly suggested, I completely missed that one. Right now for my rotation to work, the Kidd gains and Lebron losses by 12/8 have to overcome a window of 350k. I think this is doable, but it's going to make me nervous.

And ironically, one of the main reasons I didn't choose Kobe is because I needed the extra guard slot for Kidd. But two days ago Daniels was a no-brainer hold, whereas now it's more questionable. It looks like Mcdyess could be popular, and I'd love to take him, but it would prevent me from getting back into Lebron which isn't an option. I could hold Daniels and hope for the best, or cash out and preventatively go to Udrih, which I'm not thrilled about. I wish there was news that Marbury would be out for a long time, because then Nate would be a good pickup assuming the Knicks don't set any more records for being awful.

What do you guys think?
 
180Soulman
      Donor
      ID: 016105313
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 12:41 		#178
Nope, no injury to Baron/SJax, they're both fine. The losses came only because many managers go by the oversimplified formula "2 days off = sell"! If you take a close look at last night's price movers, you'll see every Warrior was dropped. It's a miracle Don Nelson didn't appear in the negative price movers list.

More of the same for all Utah guys tonight.
 
181jedman
      Dude
      ID: 315192219
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 13:44 		*Intruder Alert*

Howard>Kidd gets you nothing games wise for their next two games. Are you really convinced that 2 Kidd games will be better than 2 Howard games against the Lakers and Warriors? I may be missing something obvious, but why is this a "have to" move today?
 
182The Bandwagon
      Sustainer
      ID: 479521116
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 14:35 		SU, I sent you a e-mail.
 
183deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 15:19 		Intruder Alert

181

Well I was thinking the exact same thing, I dont see the rush.
 
184Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 16:02 		It's not a have to move for everyone, but for me it personally is because I need to overcome that 350k gap at current prices. Holding Howard any longer will only make that gap larger. -150 tonight, -50 tomorrow (lemming followup), and -100 the next night would not surprise me at all.

I'll go check my email now.
 
187Gary Dotson
      Donor
      ID: 571057216
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 17:57 		Su...I like the marion,howard route personally. Just seems like garnett does not need to do everything anymore while Howard is playing possesed...

My dilemna is i have 20k window to go from blatche -horford today but miss blatches game 2nite if i trade 2nite,
Would like to go into jefferson from howard but hes in gravity and not sure if he will come out...what u guys think?? pull trigger or stand pat??
 
188Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 17:58 		Alright, I've self edited myself. I'll summarize that mess.

I came up with four plans. Plans B and C were very efficient points-wise, but could have cost me possibly 800k compared to my other two plans.

Plan A is moving Howard to Kidd today, Kidd to Lebron, Garnett to Howard.

Plan D is moving Garnett to Kidd today, Kidd to Lebron, Howard to Marion, and Marion back to Howard.

Using an estimate of averaging 15-day and season averages:

Plan A - 587 points, 760k
Plan D - 670 points, 680k, but uses one more trade

Net game difference:
A - 4 Garnett
D - 2 Howard, 4 Marion for one more trade

What do you guys think?
 
189The Bandwagon
      Sustainer
      ID: 479521116
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 18:02 		Plan D, and you're getting 83 points for that extra trade.
 
190Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 18:14 		Yeah, I'm leaning towards that also. I just always hate trading out of Garnett when I have an option not to. While he hasn't finished with a good total the past two games, he was on pace to get 70+ on the first one. He's still capable of being a monster, so I'm worried that point gap isn't entirely accurate, especially with Marion's ability to throw up the occasional turd.

As of now I'm going to say D, even though I'm not 100% comfortable.
 
191Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 18:15 		There's always that nightmare flashback too of trading Garnett for Kidd. It still amazes me how Kidd had 4 games to Garnett's 1 and Garnett still beat him. But I think I have to take the chance on Kidd, the money (not to mention his production so far) is just too big.
 
192Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 19:16 		Alright, I went with D and moved Garnett to Kidd. I'll be holding Howard for his remaining two games.

That should be it for the trades this week, unless I get out of Daniels tomorrow. Anticipating future moves and not factoring in price swings to be safe, I'd have around 4.6 million for a replacement. This replacement would have to be a guard. It's a shame Ford is back because Calderon looks great. Beno and his poop schedule may be the best option if Daniels has to go.
 
193Winston
      Donor
      ID: 119543011
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 19:33 		Moved KG to RJ, looking for A.Daniel or L.Williams to SJax tomorrow (I never own him).
 
194The Bandwagon
      Sustainer
      ID: 479521116
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 20:25 		I moved Kobe for Kidd. I didn't like the upcoming Kobe to Wade swap.

My plans were Kobe to Wade to Lebron,
and Howard to Sun to Howard.

Now its Kobe to Kidd to Howard
and Howard to Sun to Lebron

Works out exactly the same except I have Kidd for 6 games instead of 2 Kobe, and 4 Wade.
 
195qwert
      Donor
      ID: 2910242819
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 20:32 		I think it would have been 3 kobe games
 
196The Bandwagon
      Sustainer
      ID: 479521116
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 20:50 		Yea you're right. Both plans picked up the same amount of games. Trust me, I checked it several times. Both plans involved rotating 2 slots.

In the end, its whether I wanted Wade or Kidd.
 
197Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:08 		I think I'm going to move Daniels for a needlessly lower-priced Action Jackson tomorrow.
 
198The Bandwagon
      Sustainer
      ID: 479521116
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 00:14 		I'm looking to do the same move SU. I'm currently about 650K short of getting Howard and Lebron back if I get SJ from Daniels, but I do have to trade Rudy Gay before I get Lebron back.

Another idea is Bogut to Baron (Get Amare from Howard),Daniels to Beno, and hold Beno forever.

This would leave me with 2 trades. What's scary about that is, I have never been able to hold Baron in the past through his hot schedule without him getting injured.

Which one does the team like better?
 
199Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 00:46 		In the first one, who would you be getting from Howard? In the second will you be getting both Lebron and Howard back also?

If so I'd lean towards the second - Bogut to Baron is a huge upgrade, moreso than Jackson vs. Beno I think. But more importantly it ties up your money in studs, rather than having it in Bogut. While Bogut's schedule is great, you know he's going to drive you nuts, and I'm not sure if after tonight so many people are going to continue to be moving into him.
 
200Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 00:51 		BTW, thanks for that email, I'm thrilled right now that not only I kept Howard but I'm also going to be able to pick up Jackson again tomorrow.
 
201Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 09:21 		Captain: Baron has been awesome for me, he should gain some decent cash for the next few days or so, and looking into his matchups coming soon, it's pretty favorable. And as SU points out, it's a huge upgrade over Bogut. If you can fill your center slots without Bogut, then by all means he's wasting a valuable slot and cash.

I'm probably going Daniels > AK, and then Dirk and Kidd will rotate back to LBJ and Howard, it's only a matter of when.

Downside of the plan means I have to hold Przybilla longer.
 
202Winston
      Donor
      ID: 119543011
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 09:30 		I can move Daniel to SJax as planned (I also have cash for Baron or Nash) but I am not so sure what to do with L.William. I am not very comfortable with guard(upgrade) options under 6M (Grant Hill?). May be I will just hold William from now on. Help from team appreciated.
 
204JMISA
      ID: 21056316
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 11:32 		BLOOKI
i never realized it buti always see u post on this thread and i jus figured out that i been lookin at u at #1 on my league for the last month "Great Wall of Blooki" in sn_1828 auto leauge ... is that your'e team? how many teams you have or is that your only 1. I am the guy behind u this whole time =).
 
205Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 11:38 		how many teams you have or is that your only 1

LMAO, he isn't the " the Great Wall of Blooki " for nothing. He's been know to influence price swings all by himself;)
 
206JMISA
      ID: 21056316
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 11:50 		haha really i figure alsmot everyone has like 3-5 teams i started the season 3 days late becasue i was away so i only bought 1 i think next season ill opt for multiple teams as well
btw Dave R is gator daves your team? It's #3 rank for the "late" teams behind me and bandwagon
 
207deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 11:59 		Intruder

JMISA:

That ranking which you think is the DL ranking, that cant be right, my DL team has more points than either of you.
I suppose you mean that "basic" ranking in ultimate that you can click on. Have no clue what kind of ranking that is , but its defenitely not the Day Late rankings.
 
208JMISA
      ID: 21056316
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 13:18 		im not sure what it is my team was 3 days late so i don't know if they put all the teams that started then into 1 standings but i dont understand what it means to be in that column for basic leagues?
 
209tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 13:43 		Looking to move Howard and Turkoglu on Tuesday to Amare and Marion. I am currently holding Blatche, who I am considering moving to Beno. I had originally taken Blatche befor Haywood got hurt, planning to hold long term. As a long term hold at similar price, Beno seems to be putting up better numbers. My window is $250K with Beno, $320K if I hold Blatche. Any thoughts about if that window closes by Tuesday. Who is being considered as a Howard replacement.
 
210The Bandwagon
      Sustainer
      ID: 479521116
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 14:07 		I want to get Baron really bad, but the Beno/Baron combo vs the SJackson/Bogut combo only nets me 62 points over the next 17 days using season averages, plus uses an extra trade. I can get Beno from Rudy Gay next week, and miss Beno's 1 in 5.

I could then hold Bogut and swap him to Al Jefferson on 12/11. That would give me a center replacement for Kaman when he has to leave on 12/19. Stephen Jackson also gives me another G/F option.

I was all set to get Baron today, but I've got a huge gut feeling that he's fixing to go down with a injury.

Here's something funny. You guys will probably think we're whack's.

My wife has no clue about hoops, so alot of times when I can't make up my mind which way to go, I ask for her gut feeling on players.

So far this season she's been great. She got Moon right, and picked Baron over Kobe back when I was debating which one to pick up 3 weeks ago. Too bad I took Kobe! Anyway, I ask her this question this morning, "Does Baron play through his great schedule"? She answered no, he'll get injured. lol

That sealed the deal for me.
 
211tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 14:24 		What does Mrs Bandwagon think of holding Blatche vs Blatche to Beno
 
212Gary D
      ID: 33117212
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 14:41 		re:210,,, Thought i was the only crazy one who did that...thats classic

Im thinkin of gettin marion 2nite from underperforming Dirk, then get jefferson from howard on 4th....This has me holding blatche..
Or
Hold dirk(who i didnt want in first place) then get horford from blatche and marion from howard on 4th.
I think amare is a DNP waiting to happen
Really had been set to go the jefferson route but now this injury scares me....
 
213The Bandwagon
      Sustainer
      ID: 479521116
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 15:11 		to3ball, I just ask Mrs. Bandwagon, and she said take Beno. :)
 
214tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 15:14 		212 Al Jefferson's injury worries me as well, as he was my original choice to replace Howard. Although looking at Amare going into a 4 in 5 is not without risk as well.
 
215The Bandwagon
      Sustainer
      ID: 479521116
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 15:16 		I like option 2 Gary.

Al Jeff is banged up right now, and Dirk isn't going to keep playing like this. I'd take the $ hit on Dirk, and stay away from Al for now.
 
216Gescom
      Leader
      ID: 520461315
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 15:28 		Intruder

This is just in: Mrs Bandwagon told Reuters "Selling Dirk today is stupid".


 
217The Bandwagon
      Sustainer
      ID: 479521116
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 15:39 		Mrs. Bandwagon is also one of those "4 out of 5 doctors say"

lol
 
218tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 15:40 		215 Holding Dirk as well. Right now leaning towards picking up Beno from Blatche.
 
219Blooki
      Sustainer
      ID: 449292712
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 18:19 		Quick question: If you have no plans to utilize the freed money for the next two weeks or so, would you go Antonio Daniels => Beno Udrih today?
 
220The Bandwagon
      Sustainer
      ID: 479521116
      Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 18:57 		Both are in a 1 in 5. I think Blatche losses more $$ and Beno has more $$ upside starting on 12/7.

Dunno if that helps, but that's my take.
 
222JMISA
      ID: 51115937
      Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 13:16 		140 + 207

To clear up the whole "basic league standings in ultimate" I e-mailed TSN and this is what they wrote back:

Dear Manager,

Thank you for your inquiry. The "Basic" Standings should not have been
there in Ultimate as there is no separate tier in the game. We apologize
for the confusion and the page has been removed. Your prize eligibility
status is based on whether you are in a ten team league or greater and
where you live. You can see all of the restrictions in our official
rules:

Oh well i guess theres nothing else to feel special about anymore ;)
 
223tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 15:42 		213 I'm glad I made the Blatche to Beno move. The $250 price swing was more than I thought it would be. I believe my $$ window for the Orlando => Phoenix moves tomorrow will be fine. Now how about a monster game from Howard against GSW tonight as a going away present.
 
224dpr
      ID: 1733917
      Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 17:01 		in the next couple weeks i need to find the most efficient way to turn Ilgauskas, Kobe and Kidd back into lebron and Howard. I was thinking that id go Kobe to wade to lebron and kidd to howard but wade isnt picking it up like i hoped so not sure that is the best option. Now im thinking that i will move kidd to lebron and Z to Howard. not sure who tog et from Kobe but I should have around 8 mill i think so that I can afford my other moves.

rest of my players no have schedule holes coming up so they could all conceivably be held. Considering moving louis williams for udrih if williams does poor tonight. Also kirilenko is gunna be real up and down financially so if he has a bad stretch he will probably me moved. Hopefully moon and the GSW can last their schedules
 
225Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 08:53 		The Harris injury sort of opens a way to finally get rid of Przybilla, last of my original draftee. I am thinking:

Harris > Udrih
Przybilla > Horford

That should leave enough in the bank for the eventual Kidd > Howard and Dirk > LBJ swap next trade week. No trades really planned next trade week, it would be really awesome to hold the GS boys as long as possible.
 
226The Bandwagon
      Sustainer
      ID: 479521116
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 09:38 		If you are unsure what the column header means, hover over it with your mouse.
A pop up will display a longer definition of the header.

GURUPATRON BONUS MATERIAL
The following columns are sartible and reverse sartible.
Click on the column header once for the default sort order.
Click a second time for the reverse sort order.
Rank

GurupieName

LSWP0

LSWP

LSWP5

WWR

FV

Cash

RV

FVC

Trades
1 Senator Urine-190 2789.5 223.5 2789.5 18 62.04 1.03 61.01 0.63 1
2 dpr-93 2778.5 154.5 2778.5 4 64.33 1.68 62.65 0.58 3
3 Winston-1104 2710 259.5 2710 14 61.31 3.19 58.12 0.59 3
4 Pica-4490 2661.5 212.5 2661.5 29 61.52 1.40 60.12 0.62 3
5 The Bandwagon-1022 2641 234 2641 51 60.81 0.92 59.89 0.54 3
6 Blooki-845 2639 223.5 2639 191 61.01 8.83 52.18 0.65 3
7 Gary Dotson-5568 2626 289.5 2626 168 59.61 0.53 59.08 0.73 1
8 tothreeball-502 2538 216 2538 316 60.15 2.36 57.79 0.39 2

Head To Head

UNIQUE TO
UNIQUE TO
COMMON TO BOTH TEAMS
 
227The Bandwagon
      Sustainer
      ID: 479521116
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 11:07 		Howard to Marion, and Devin to Beno or Calderon is the plans for the moment. I'm having a tough time choosing between Beno and Calderon.

I think Beno could be the longer hold due to his price and production, and I'm willing to over look his 2 game week during Christmas because of his price.

Calderon if he keeps the starting job can outscore Beno by 10 points per game which can add up in a hurry. As someone mentioned in another thread, he could also be the first to de-rail if TJ forces him back to the bench in the next few games.

I have enough $$ to get Howard and Lebron back regardless if I take Beno or Calderon, but the $$ money saved on Beno could help out if Moon or someone needs to be moved in the near future.

Anyone else having the same problem?
 
228qwert
      Donor
      ID: 2910242819
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 11:16 		*intruder*

to be up front, i have both calderon and beno, so no vested interest in persuading you one way or another. as a raptor fan, I don't see TJ starting any time soon...clearly the injury is more serious than they were saying to start. In the two games he was back, he looked completely out of sorts and didn't threaten Calderon's minutes at all.

I would be very surprised if TJ is starting anytime this week. I'd say calderon has 5 games at least...maybe more if he keeps up his solid play (ie. blowing out the bobcats without bosh, bargnani and tj).

I understand the thought about keeping money around, but not for Moon. He's been one of the most consistent TSN players this year. A cheapie with nothing under 15 and only a couple games under 20.

I think Beno makes a lot of money, especially tonight and becomes a lot harder to hold over the holidays than you think.

As I said, I have both and think they are both good options.
 
229Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 11:35 		* intruder *

I think BW's logic is solid on both fronts regarding Beno and Moon. If Brewer was a hold for alot ( arguably a sell also )a bit ago , there's no reason Beno can't be held also. He has been as productive by and large as Brewer, has a Holiday hiccup schedule wise, but as I stated in my GMD thread there is a lot of red schedule wise that time of year. 25+ points per game at his price is a bargain. And after Christmas his schedule is OK for a couple of weeks.

Moon, on the other hand, will be gone from my roster before Christmas, when I'm not sure. True his production is great for the price, but with $ 1.6 mill in profits, and climbing, at some point it will be time to take the money and run. Although he plays only 2 games less than Beno over his dry stretch, I think he will be a must sell.

Maybe I'll get itchy and trade Beno also, but the game plan is to hold at this point.
 
230qwert
      Donor
      ID: 2910242819
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 11:46 		I didn't get the impression he meant he would hold money to upgrade moon on 12/22...and if he did, I think that's far too long to hold onto cash for an upgrade. I meant, that I don't think Moon is a concern performance wise until his schedule dries up.

I agree that Beno's a great option and I hope I can hold, but as we know, there seem to be people that get 8 trades on tuesdays when we get 4 and red schedule almost always means big losses, even when there aren't any good schedules to move to.
 
231The Bandwagon
      Sustainer
      ID: 479521116
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 11:57 		Thanks Qwert

I just noticed that Gay to Calderon fits perfect on 12/9, so Beno for Devin is the choice tonight.

I really don't like missing 5 days of potential gains from Calderon, but it does give me 2 games to see if he is going to continue to start etc etc.

If I don't like what I see in Toronto, I can always hold Rudy Gay. From 12/9 thru Christmas the only trade worth making in players 5 million and below is Calderon. Based on season averages, Calderon only gains me 61 points, and of course $$, so it's not a slam dunk trade.

 
232The Bandwagon
      Sustainer
      ID: 479521116
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 14:22 		Change of plans, still going Devin to Beno, but decided to take Boozer over Marion.

I'll still be able to get Lebron from Bogut on 12/11.
 
233tothreeball
      Dude
      ID: 09118139
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 15:04 		Moving Howard/Turkoglu to Amare/Marion. I was 60K short of Boozer instead of Marion, or I may have followed your lead Bandwagon. Phoenix's matchups this week should be TSNP plentiful, so Marion should be OK. Both can transition to Howard and Lebron at some point.
 
234Senator Urine
      ID: 141130310
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 19:52 		I think I'm taking the money and running with Harris. Moving him to Beno, I think the money is going to be well worth the (potential) loss of a game.

I could go to Calderon instead, but that would limit my Sean Williams escape route. Plus Calderon has already moved 500k, and Ford could screw things up. Wish I could fit him in, but I need to be extra careful with my trades, the week of 12/12 (naturally, the one where I start my 11 day trip across the country) is going to be insane. I can't afford one thing going wrong now.
 
235Gary D
      ID: 33117212
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 20:08 		Amare for me today gentlemen...Hate having Dirk right now but holding till maybe LBJ or howard....
I actually think i will be able to bank trades for once this week! fingers crossed..
 
236Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 21:50 		Itchy fingers made me pulled the aforementioned trades. And now Harris said he will play (see injury thread) and Horford didn't blow anyone away tonight. Ah well, at least there's some $.
 
237Winston
      Donor
      ID: 119543011
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 23:14 		With the news Harris plan to play tomorrow, I undo my trade for Harris to Beno. Expected some money lost but I don't have a plan to effectively use the 8M left over if I did the trade.

Plan trade for this week.
Dirk/Amare/Harris -> Howard/LBJ/Tinsley

Hope my window for Harris to Tinsley don't close in the course of the week.