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Subject: Team Weykool GMD

  Posted by: weykool - Leader [41750315] Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 01:24
Welcome aboard to: Guru, Coach Bird, Florian, Kentucky Indidans, Yehosh, Coldwater Coyotes, Kal Zakath.

I think we have a good mix of proven veterans and some up and coming managers ready to rock the GMD standings.

Please send me your E-mail Addy so that I can have it on record.

If someone would like to post the stats who has experience please feel free to volunteer.

Good luck and get your teams into position for Wednesday.
 
1weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 01:30 		For the new managers to GMD there are a couple of things to keep in mind:

While your team is a part of a bigger GMD team in the end it is your team and you will need to make the decisions on how to run it.

When you ask for help with your team please try to be specific.
Try to narrow your decision process down as far as you can and then try to present your options to the team for advice.
Dont post your roster and ask...."Who should I trade now".
Please keep in mind advice given/taken is in no way an obligation, we all need to follow our own instincs and sometimes the gut can make better decisions than our brains.

Welcome and I hope we can keep the communication as active as possible.
 
3Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 12:46 		Greetings team.

This team of mine was a day late team, and has been [Bill Walton]Horr-r-r--ibly[/Bill Walton] managed so far, as evidenced by the fact that it ranks only #5 in FV on this GMD team. Hopefully I can get this ship sailing.

Current plan is to move R.Jefferson to Lebron tomorrow, but that will require an additional move as well, which I'm still pondering. Likely candidates to move are either Gay or Granger. Someone cheaper will be needed. I skipped Udrih so far, and am not enamored with that schedule (even though I acknowledge that schedule is not so important for a cheapie). Azubuike is a possibility - I had skipped him due to concerns over crowing with the return of Stephen Jackson, but I see that both players started yesterday, so maybe that concern is overblown. Still, I think it's a little late to go there now.

There are a few other cheapie options that have crossed my radar, although none have yet demonstrated any consistency - including anyone named Sean/Shawne Williams.

I already have (and plan to keep) Brewer, Bogans, and Moon. I'll take the price hits. They are too useful as cheap producers.

My centers are Aldridge and Haywood, neither which I am thrilled with, but I have no immediate plans to move them. I have no one else who is C-eligible (no D. Howard - part of my problem...), so any movement out of them would require another center.
 
4 Florian
ID: 167272717
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 13:02 		I'm not thrilled with the start my day-late team has had. I've made some money, but not as much as expected. It seems that as soon as I pick up a player their production goes in the tank, and as soon as I sell them the production picks up. As a result I've burned through far more trades than expected and am left with only one for tomorrow.

I have both S. williams on my team. Picked up Sean at the last minute from Brewer yesterday. That trade may come back to hurt my team as I can no longer move Wilkins for Lebron tomorrow due to a lack the positional flexibility. As a result I'll probably move Wilkins to Devin Harris tomorrow and then trade Granger to Lebron on the 24th. Debating whether to trade Udrih or Shawne Williams back to Brewer on the 22nd or just hold onto both of them. Planning to hold Dwight Howard for now, but I fear he may be in for some steep money losses over the next two weeks. It really depends on whether he puts up any games in the 20s or 30s. No other trades planned for now.
 
5C. Bird
ID: 28902917
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 14:47 		Good to be aboard Weykool. I'll send you my email shortly.

I too have burned through many more trades than usual this early in the season. I think $$ is more important this year than in years past and it is causing me to move cheapies like brewer and players like haywood and dunleavy in the middle of good schedules just to avoid the price hits.

I moved RJ yesterday for SJax. I figured he was maxed out in price and had underperformed in his last few games so I'd be proactive and protect the gains I made since the beginning of the year. I debated long and hard about whether to move brewer/kiri for either sean williams and dirk or bass/LBJ. I decided on the latter. I plan to move kiri for LBJ tonight (after kiri's game if he plays, before if he doesn't). I have a window of $110K. I think that should be okay. I will probably move back into brewer/kiri later this week from A Wright & Granger, although I haven't given it a lot of thought.
 
6kentucky indians
ID: 33892520
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 19:06 		Glad to be aboard the favorites to win the 2007-2008 GMD Basketball... As you all might guess; I'm quite happy with my start... I hope I can keep it up.

This is my third or fourth year playing GMD. But, strangely, my first with all seven of you. I look forward to getting to know all of you over the next several months.
 
7Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 19:54 		Hi Everybody,

Glad to be on team Weykool, definitely the favorites to win this year. My team got off to a shaky start point wise, but that also due to an aggresive approach towards RV which I decided to take for the first 3 weeks. Hoping to crack 60M by friday. This strategy should calm down now as we will soon see more injuries and a less volatile market (hopefully).

My next move is into The King from RJ and I set aside 7M for it, which is good since I only have 1 trade left, lol. Got Udrih and he is a keeper for the time being, regardless of the schedule. Haven't decided yet on Bogans, but his minutes are looking good, so there is no rush. Wright is also staying and Dirk and Jackson are long term holds.

If AK's health is looking good on the 25th, I'm considering moving Howard for him. Howard is massively owned and I don't see him surviving until the 4th.

Now for my 1st real question. Got Bynum (the most heavily owned center) and Gay. I really want Kaman. I think he is a borderline MUST for 6.24M. Would it be a lateral move going Gay->Kaman on wednesday(I should have the $ for it after the Lebron move)???

Best of luck to everybody
 
8weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 20:40 		Yehosh:

Gay to Kaman seems very lateral to me.
After the first 3 games you are looking at a 1 in 5....normally 1 in 5 means sell.
I would be looking to pick up Kaman on 11/30.
 
9Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 20:50 		almost forgot, another option is Kaman on the 30th which should be when the official train starts
 
10Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 20:51 		oops, thanks Weykool, didn't see you post

so i guess I'll hold onto Gay and Bynum for the time being

thanks
 
11ki @ work
ID: 2836246
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 08:55 		Guru,

Just looking at your team quickly, I'd keep Gay (short term he is producing better than Granger and he has an extra game 20 days out) and move Granger to Daniel Gibson. I love Devin Harris right now (long term schedule is terrific!) but you don't have quite enough cash for that.

Yehosh,

Gay to Kamen does not seem lateral to me. (26 TSNP vs. 42 TSNP/game)... But I agree with Weykool that Wednesday is the wrong date; and I like Gay's schedule. Can you get Bynum to Kamen on 11/30??

Team Help for me,

If you all would please help me to remember to GET MY ROSTER VALUE UP!! I tend to buy guys with great long term schedules which serves me well at scoring points.... BUT Last season I woke up in mid January and didn't have enough TSN$$ to compete. $60M by Friday!!!! WOW I'm impressed; I'm no where near that!

Is it too late to buy Moon??
 
12Kal Zakath
ID: 269581213
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 08:57 		Hi all -

Mine too is a day-late team that has been performing pretty well overall.

How it is that I am as high as I am in RV is a mystery to me, though......

Think that the team is pretty well set up for now going forward. With the big RV, am looking for early options to go into KG - by the time his schedule really gets good, most should have the money for him, so I'm looking for stretches like the one from Dec 19th through Jan 5th.

Like Yehosh, moved from Jefferson to LeBron for tonight (planned move with the cash already set aside), leaving me tradeless, but should be solid for tonight and going forward with the team.
 
14ki @ work
ID: 2836246
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 09:35 		thinking about Armstrong to Moon... Hilton is a non performing spot right now with a drying up schedule... just concerned I've missed most of Moon's money and might not be able to hold him long term. Also monitoring Vince Carter's return and how that might effect Wright.
 
15weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 09:35 		KI:
Gaining RV has not come without a price.
Our top 3 RV teams are tradeless.
I dont have the trade to move into Lebron and will miss those gains/points.
Your gains last night were solid.
Your team is set up well and you should see some decent gains this week.
As long as you continue with steady gains and have trades to avoid the big selloff you should be fine.
Going forward I think there will be less panic selling and there will be clearer moves to be made in order to make RV.
One player not getting much hype is Zydronas.
His points per Price is higher than Lebron's.
 
16weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 09:38 		I would avoid Moon.
If I had him I would hold but Im not going to be a buyer right now.
After his next 4 games he has a 1 in 4.
I would wait for the next consensus RV gainer and go Hilton to that player directly.
 
17ki @ work
ID: 2836246
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 09:45 		I also think Daniel Gibson should be getting some love... Problem is too many guards I like.
 
18Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 09:59 		Aldridge managed only 5 TSNP last night. I'll take that as a sign that it's time to cut him. [Homer Simpson: "You can't quit because you're CUT!"]

I can move Jefferson/Aldridge to Lebron & Sean Williams.

If I want to push it, I could even upgrade Bogans to Devin Harris. Bogans has been valuable because of his cheap price, but after 4 consecutive sub-20 games, maybe I should take the upgrade and move on. The downsides are that this would leave me with only $80K in cash, and no trades (until tomorrow). It also leaves me with Granger, who I had planned to upgrade to Kirilenko in a few days. But I think I'm better served by moving Bogans=>Harris than I am by moving Granger=>Kiri. Granger can certainly be held for awhile.

A concern is whether this simply substitutes one soon-to-disappoint cheapie (S. Williams) for another (Bogans). And amazingly, Bogans has 6 straight days of slight gains - but I suspect that's going to end soon.

I was happy to see R. Brewer put up a good game last night. That'll give a few teams a reason to get him back next week... maybe from Bogans. I'm holding Brewer.
 
19Florian
ID: 167272717
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 10:38 		Guru:

I'd do all three of those trades. Lebron, Harris and Williams all have fairly low ownership, good point potential and should continue to gain a lot over money of the next week. And you'll get four more trades tonight to replace the three you just used.
 
20Yehosh
Donor
ID: 181082023
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 12:53 		I sold Brewer, which was probably not the greatest move, but it let me move into Udrih who I believed was the real deal. Going Bogans to Brewer next week seems as good a move as any.

I too am avoinding Moon. 30 tsnp against GS isn't as impressive as it seems and he is becoming highly owned. I'd hate to pick him up just to see Mitchell reduce his minutes. Too risky IMO.
 
21Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 14:37 		I assume you're committed to keep Udrih through his 4-in-13, which starts this coming Saturday? Included in those 4 games are outings vs. the Spurs and Jazz.
 
22C. Bird
ID: 5510211919
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 14:47 		The $150K that LBJ gained last night was a shock to me and closed my AK -> LBJ window by $10K. In all my years of playing this game I have never missed out on a player by $10K. It really pisses me off and I hope it never happens again.

That said, my new plan is to move AK for Dirk. This will be better long term and I will have over $1.5M in the bank. I still really want LBJ but it's not worth two trades at this point. Next week I will move Wright/Granger back into Brewer and AK and that will hopefully do it for me until the week of 11/29. What do you guys think?
 
23ki @ work
ID: 2836246
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 14:47 		... I take it from the comments we like Sean Williams more than Moon?? But do we like him enough to recommend me going Hilton to Sean?
 
24Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 15:11 		C. Bird - 10K, wow, that really sucks

Guru - regarding Udrih, absolutely. Unless someone can convince me otherwise with a really strong case.

Over the next 30 days, Beno only has 2 fewer games then Moon and my RV is strong enough to ignore any sells he may have. Bibby is gone, they have no serious backup PG and this guy is a multi category cheapie who plays close to 40 minutes. Not sure if I'd recommend picking him up now, but I would hold.
 
25coldwater coyotes
ID: 31943914
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 15:33 		I have no trades left and my FV is dismal... not a good start to the year.
Some thoughts:
I would like to hold Brewer but not if his losses continue...hopefully the worst is over. Perhaps I should be looking at Harris but I have no idea who to drop.
So I am leaning towards no changes during this coming week.
 
26Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 15:48 		If you are holding Brewer into next week, then there is certainly no reason to sell. In fact, I'd imagine there will be some moves next week from Bogans and Udrih to Brewer.
 
27Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 17:31 		What are you guys planning to do with Wright (for hte 5 of us that have him)?
 
28weykool
ID: 2842717
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 18:14 		For me the plan to move AW will depend on who the move is to.
I think most of the extreme cheapie shuffles have passed.
Most teams like myself are low on trades and need to start thinking about saving trades to gain stud games and let the money follow the points.
That being said if there is a decent cheapie that I feel can be held for a decent amount of time and the gains will be steady I will consider the move.
Otherwise, I will hold and absorb the losses and wait for a better trade down the road.
 
29kentucky indians
ID: 33892520
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 19:13 		I just noticed that Tyson Chandler was hobbled last night... that could be very good for Hilton!
 
30Yehosh
Donor
ID: 181082023
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 09:44 		Seems like Guru and Weykool are right regarding Udrih. Another stinker like last night and I may have to move him. That's too bad since I wanted to try and bank at least 1 trade this week
 
32Florian
ID: 167272717
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 12:17 		I'll probably go Harrington to Lebron and hold onto Granger. No other trades planned for today.
 
33Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 12:36 		Although it's not mentioned in the rules, there is a posting at the TSN forum saying that there will be no price changes on Thursday.
 
34coldwater coyotes
ID: 31943914
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 16:47 		The big loser tonight will be Harrington. I cannot find any latest news on Haywood....do we expect a big sell off?
 
35C. Bird
ID: 41055623
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 17:43 		What do you guys think of moving harrington for kaman today? Do you think Al will lose that much?
 
36Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 17:43 		With Arenas out for 3 months, anyone considering Daniels?

His shedule is kind of weak, but his 11 in 21 isn't that and if he puts up the # he did last year when Arenas was out, he'll be a 28-32/g guy
 
37Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 17:59 		If nothing else, there are a lot more shots available for the rest of the team...
 
38Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 21:51 		Ended up going Harrington to Daniels.

Not sure if I was jumping the gun on Harrington, but with his massive gains, the 2 poor outings and now the DNP, I couldn't see him surviving his wonderful longterm schedule.
 
39C. Bird
ID: 41055623
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 01:49 		Went Al to Kaman tonight and so far am glad I did. Daniels looks great but I am going to skip him in favor of Brewer so that I can upgrade Granger to AK47. I am moving Wright for Brewer. The trades don't really net me any games but I think the money will be solid. That should be it for me this week.
 
40Kal Zakath
ID: 269581213
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 02:25 		Harrington to Daniels for me too, 40.5 TSNP.

With Udrih not playing (or at least a '0' for score) tonight for SAC, seems to be a logical move from him into Brewer.

That would leave me with Wright to move to someone, but think I'm set.

I have 5 million in the bank, add on the 400k from the Udrih->Brewer move, and that's more than enough to move Wright or Gay to AK, and still leave me a trade and some cash for the other one when it becomes necessary.

I'm waiting on Kaman until about the 30th.

Current Lineup:

Davis: Hold
Daniels: Hold
Bogans: ? (current thought is hold - sched still ok)
Udrih -> Brewer

James: Hold
Jackson: Hold
Gay: ?
Wright: -> AK47?

Bynum: Hold
Howard: Hold
 
42Florian
ID: 167272717
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 11:22 		Was pretty happy with my team going into last night and now I feel like I've got holes everywhere. I've only got three trades left, but fortunately have about two million in cash.

My team is as follows:
Davis
Jackson
Harris
Udrih - needs to go for Brewer or Daniels

Lebron
Howard - ?? for Kirilenko on the 25th
Granger - will worry about him next week
Shawne Williams- not happy with, but can't lose much money

Bynum - will likely be traded for Kaman on the 30th
Sean Williams - great potential, but if he's not going to get the minutes, his 2.5 million can be used elsewhere

Udrih is the obvious trade. Brewer seems like the easy choice and the price is right, but he still has very high ownership which means less potential gains and the possbility for a selloff if he performs poorly. Brewer can potentially be held for a long time. Daniels is more expensive (almost three million), but will likely perform a little better, may make more money, but has larger schedule holes. I'll probably trade for Brewer as my team is low on trades.

Could trade Sean Williams for Daniels (moving Howard for Kirilenko), but that leaves me without a plan for selling Howard (not that I really want to after yesterday's game, but I fear the price losses he might suffer). Could trade for Blatche, but he might suffer the same fate as Williams (ie. back to the bench). At least he's a lot cheaper. Wish I hadn't traded Brewer for Sean Williams in the first place.

I'll ignore the spot occupied by Shawne Williams because I just don't have enough trades.

Sorry about the long rant. I'd appreciate any suggestions.
 
43weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 12:43 		Florian:

I agree with most of your plans.
My team is in a similar situation.
I have the other S. Williams and will hold till I find a better option to move into.
I will be going Udrih to Brewer.
He can be held longer than Daniels and will help with my trade conservation.
Daniels may make more money but the schedule is way too spotty, after his 1 in 5 there is a 4 in 7 followed by another 1 in 5.
If I had the extra trades I would go to Daniels but since I dont I will take Brewer.

As for Howard to AK I find that a bit premature.
If enough managers make the same move then of course it will need to be considered but 47.4 a game will be tough to trade out of.
 
44Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 16:37 		Kal, we have almost the same team except I have Dirk where you have Baron.

Jackson-hold
Daniels-hold
Bogans-hold
Udrin->Brewer

James-hold
Dirk-hold
Gay-hold
Wright->AK47

Bynum-hold
Howard->hold at least until the 27th

I really want Marvin Williams on the 27th, but that can't happen now that I traded Harrington.

 
45Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 20:48 		Geez - how'd I manage to be the ony one stuck with Haywood?

Unfortunately, I'm also one of the two teams without Howard. (Who picked me #1?!) My only other center is Sean Williams, so if I dump Haywood, I need another center. And with only $80K in cash, I don't have much upward mobility.

Aside from Haywood, Gay has the most price vulnerability, and is probably the best candidate to move if I need/want to package someone with Haywood. I was hoping to make a move from Granger to Kirilenko, but that would leave me with only one trade left on a Friday.

If I move Gay to Daniels and keep Granger, that leaves $5790 for a center replacement. If I also moved Granger to Kiri, that leaves me with $4820 for a center. That would be just enough room to squeeze in Bynum. I'm not sying that Bynum is my target. I'm just sayin'...

I have Kobe already, so adding Bynum would set me up for needing 2 trades in about 2 weeks. At that time, I'd probably move Bynum & Kobe to Kaman and someone else.

None of those options seem right to me.

The other approach would be to include Kobe in some package now. He's been a disappointment, and maybe it make more sense to move him and keep Granger. Or even Granger and Gay.

For example, I could move Kobe/Haywood to Kiri/Kaman. Or, if I really want to play with fire, to Kiri/Camby. Camby is probably no more than a 2-week hold either. So Kaman might be the better long term option, even if it is a little early to get him now.

I could add a move of Gay => Daniels with either of those, but maybe that's pushing it too much.

Anyone care to talk me into or out of anything? Is there another option I should consider?
 
46Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 23:56 		Guru, here are my 2 cents

Whatever you do, your move will probably revolve around Kaman. Bynum is half done in his schedule, so is big Z. Biedrins is too risky and expensive and I can't see anyone else worth getting, unless it's some risky cheapie.

I would trade Granger(or Gay) and Haywood, into Kaman and Daniels. If I did my math right, you should be able to afford that move. Only major downside is no AK, but I can't see a solution for that at the moment. Hopefully you can.
 
48Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 09:14 		[46] Can't do Granger/Haywood or Gay/Haywood to Daniels/Kaman. Not enough funds.
 
49Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 09:25 		At this point, I'm leaning to Haywood/Gay/Kobe=>Kaman/Kiri/Daniels. Leaves me with only one trade, which I would not plan to use (therefore keeping it available for contingencies), and $5.05m in the bank.

A bit more aggressive than I usually like to be (leaving only 1 trade on a Friday), but I think this team needs to be bold. Gay=>Daniels may be a push pointwise, but will be a winner pricewise, and will put some extra cash in the coffers to preserve flexibility in case of emergency.

If I do this, fully expect Daniels to turn an ankle tonight.
 
50Florian
ID: 167272717
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 10:31 		Traded Udrih to Brewer.

Have two trades and 2.5 million left. I have two options to get Kirilenko

1. Trade Granger to Kirilenko; keep Howard until next week (trade for Kaman on 29th)

2. Trade Howard to Kirilenko on the 25th; leaves me about 6 million to upgrade other spots; this also allows me to see who gets injured in the next few nights and possibly trade them instead; miss out on 250k in gains on Kirilenko until then, but saves me possible dollar losses on Howard on 25th and 27th; trade Bynum for Kaman next week

3. Move Sean Williams for Daniels; Howard to center; trade Howard for Kaman on 29th; skip Kirilenko (who in past years has tended to be injury prone)

Which option do you guys think is best?
 
51weykool
ID: 4110202314
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 15:30 		Guru:

I would think that Bynum would not be a bad move.
He should produce well when he gets the minutes and he should see some time with the Kwame injury.

The 3 trades you listed should also work as getting into Kaman early should allow for a very long hold with steady gains as there are several dates to buy into him.

I think most of the preemptive cheapie swapping should be over at this point so risking the one trade on Friday should be fine.
Sometimes you need to take the risks in order to get ahead in this game.
With no other must trades this week the risk should be manageable.
 
52weykool
ID: 4110202314
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 15:32 		Florian:

For some reason option one seems like the best play.
Just a gut feeling.
 
53Kal Zakath
ID: 269581213
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 15:41 		Guru -

My moves of Udrih -> Brewer and Wright -> Kirilenko also only leave me with a single trade, but with only one more move I would like to make before next week, should be OK.

Yehosh -

Am thinking going Gay -> Williams with that last trade next week. I'm trying to see if I am going to get myself into a trade bind with a lot of guys who all have to go at the same time, but I think they are staggered at this point.
 
54Florian
Dude
ID: 034815289
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 19:02 		Went with option 3 because I remembered how much I cursed Kirilenko (much like Camby or B. Davis) in past years when he'd miss games out of the blue with some ailment. Hopefully I didn't just curse the Baron.

Thanks for the advice Weykool.
 
55Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 19:23 		Kal, only problem with that move is that it doesn't gain any games. That said, I really want Marvin. So I may have to go with it.

Now back to the Howard paradox. Maybe a question to some of the veterans on this team. You guys think he can last until the 4th to go Boozer?
Or is the official move to go Howard->Kaman on the 30th?

 
57weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 10:34 		Okay:

I have 2 trades left.
The plan is to go AW to Louis Williams today.
Then go Azubuike to AK47 tomorrow.

That will leave me tradeless with:
Baron, AK47, Dirk, Howard, Yao.

If I can survive till Wednesday my team would be in great shape with only Yao to Kaman on 11/30 and Howard to someone depending on circumstances.

However, I could be talked down from the ledge with a decent argument.
 
58C. Bird
ID: 41055623
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 14:17 		55 My take on Howard is that...it is different for every team. If you are stuggling to build RV then you might want to look at moving him early. However, this game is about points and for me it makes no sense to drop one of the most reliable studs in the game to make a few bucks. Not only is he going off every game but he is a center. For me that means I am not moving him until Dec. 4. I hope that many teams do move him early and he continues to put up numbers in the 60's and 70's.
 
60coldwater coyotes
ID: 249103110
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 11:32 		I need to move out of Gay...I would have $4780 available.
Increasing FV is my focus..options include L. Williams and Gibson. I
already have Brewer and Daniels......suggestions??
 
61weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 14:01 		CWC:

After Brewer it gets pretty thin.
I think Harris is withing your budget and the Dallas schedule is decent.
 
62Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 19:38 		I'm begining to regret not taking Moon

Weykool, u thinking of Bogans->Moon sometime?

I know Moon is heavily owned, but his schedule and production are really hard to ignore
 
63Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 19:39 		and by sometime I mean wednesday or later of course, since he has Monday and Tuesday off
 
64weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 02:32 		Yehosh:

I dont Own Bogans.
You and Kal are the only Bogan owners on our team.
If it were me I would probably hold for as long as possible to conserve the trade and then make the move when a decent move presents itself.

Moon is already the 2nd highest owned Forward and should be #1 once the Howard sells are done.
 
66Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 10:06 		We really got punished the last 2 nights for being short 3 Lebrons. Every other GMD team has him on all 8 teams.
 
67Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 10:09 		We're also very low in Moons. We have only three Moons, while the other teams have 6, 7, and 8.
 
68weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 10:38 		Yeah not having LBJ has been brutal.
If you are unsure about which teams are without Lebron it would be the bottom 3...myself included.
I just couldnt bring myself to hop on board with the holding period getting shorter each day.

I think we make back a few points tonight with some of our differential picks.
Although I doubt we make up for the points from Lebron.
 
69Florian
ID: 167272717
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 11:13 		I'm starting to have regrets about not owning Moon either (and regrets about owning Shawne Williams). So I'll likely go Williams to Moon next Wednesday. Unless someone thinks I should trade him to Louis Williams instead. That would probably make more money in the short term, but I'm more comfortable with Moon's long-term potential as he's starting (not coming off the bench) and will not be affected by Korver coming back shortly. However Moon ties up a more valuable forward slot rather than a guard slot.
 
70Florian
ID: 167272717
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 11:26 		Picking up Moon instead of Williams means I would have to trade Howard to Kaman on the 29th instead of being able to pick him up from Bynum on the 30th.
 
71ki @ work
ID: 2836246
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 08:39 		I've got to trade my Hilton Armstrong mistake today; Considered Armstrong to Louis Williams yesterday and said "never give up a player's points for money." This morning I wish I had Louis' money more than Hilton's whopping 4TSNP! ... could go to Louis Williams today, but I'm not sure I'm sold on his playing time security with Korver coming back at some point; I hate trading cheapies and if I buy Williams I want to hold him for the full 12 games in 19 days! I don't think Korver is out that long!

I'm considering an option B... And mind you! I'm the one who said no way do I trade Dwight Howard before 12/4!!!!! I could trade Howard and Armstrong to Andrew Bogut and Marvin Williams... Bogut and Williams have been mostly unnoticed; young and consistant performers who both have killer schedules over the next three weeks.

Howard to Kamen on 12/4 with one trade looks awefully sweet. But I think that misses some of Kamen's money gains and I'm RV light to start with. I'll need another two player swap (probably with the disappointing and inconsistant Troy Murphy and ???) to get to Kamen. And I'll still probably need to find a cheapie to gamble on to get enough money to go Murphy to Kamen!

Damn...gotta get to work!!! Any thoughs??
 
72ki @ work
ID: 2836246
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 08:46 		Florian... I love Moon... just bought him over the weekend. It sucks being late to his money and I hate the potential money downside of buying a player that is already highly owned.. However, his playing time is very secure; and his schedule and production are nails!!! Once or twice a season, I think you have to admit to you were wrong in missing on one and just bite the bullet late. Utah's Brewer is a must have and I think Moon may be as well.
 
74Florian
ID: 167272717
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 12:29 		I'm starting to consider trading Howard for Bogut tonight as well. I was going to trade Howard for Kaman on the 29th, but I'm going to be trading Bynum next week as well. Looking at the options Bogut is appealing as they get for centers (not that I'm thrilled with Bogut). So instead of trading Howard for Kaman on the 29th and Bynum to Bogut on the 3rd, I'm now considering picking up Bogut from Howard today and trading Bynum to Kaman on the 30th. Howard could be held until the 4th, but I see large dollar hits tonight and especially on the 29th with lesser hits on the 28th, 30th and 1st. I can't imagine anyone whose held him until the 2nd selling before the fourth. Just as importantly I see Bogut gaining money tonight and small amounts the rest of the week.

ki : I agree with your trade plan. I'll probably steal part of it for myself (unless someone talks me out of it).
 
75Kal Zakath
ID: 269581213
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 15:04 		Florian -

I'm looking Bynum -> Kaman on the 30th, then evaluating for the Howard move.

Howard -> Stoudamire if his knees seem to be solid underneath him.

Howard -> Bogut if his production continues

Howard -> Josh Smith if there are any problems

Or even Howard -> Boozer if all the above fall through.

I am most likely holding Bogans until that point, then moving him when I can.

That means that I will be holding LeBron to the end to move his trade over to the next period, but I can think of worse things....

So, for next week, am looking at:

Bogans -> Whomever, possibly Moon this trade could happen tomorrow, though, as it will be in the same trade period anyway.

Brewer -> Hold
Daniels -> This is where he gets dicey. For his production, I might wind up holding him through his bad stretch if trades become a problem.
Davis -> Hold

Jackson -> Hold
Kirilenko -> Hold
James -> Hold til next Wednesday, possibly later...
Williams -> Hold

Bynum -> Kaman on the 30th
Howard -> see above....

So, Bogans, Bynum and Howard this next week, then option for the next....
 
76Kal Zakath
ID: 269581213
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 15:18 		The above with Howard depends on who I get from Williams or Bogans - If I go cheaper at center from one of them (moving Howard to Forward), then the other options open up. Most likely, they are moving at the same time as Howard, so there should be some extra cash freed up for the move as well to a decent center to go with Kaman.
 
77ki @ work
ID: 2836246
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 15:33 		Kal,
Just an FYI... Howard to Boozer only works if Howard is a Forward because Boozer is not Center eligble.
 
78Kal Zakath
ID: 269581213
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 17:27 		ki -

Yep - hence post 76.

I'm looking at some other centers to go along with Kaman at the moment - haven't decided whether I might go to someone like Jefferson as the second center or go cheap and stack up at the other positions.
 
79C. Bird
ID: 5510211919
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 18:53 		Guys, I have Kaman and Howard as C's. Do you think it is worth two trades to go Kaman -> Bogut today and Howard -> Kaman on 12/4? It basically comes down to:

5 Boguts, 4 Howard, 1 Kaman for 2 trades
3 Kamans, 4 Howard, 1 Bogut for 1 trades

Will the points/money warrant the additional trade? I would love some opinions.
 
80Yehosh
Donor
ID: 181082023
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 19:16 		C. Bird, I wouldn't. Bogut is hot, but he can't sustain 39/g and he is 7.2M which is pricy. Also, you want to have INS into Boozer and possibly Al Jefferson. They are both better picks then Bogut if you can wait it out 1 more week.
 
81weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 21:06 		I have Kaman on several teams and I will be holding.
I dont see the move into Bogut as a move may people will be happy with.
Best to save your trade and see if something better presents itself.
Maybe a cheapie will step into the light and you can use the money from Howard to upgrade another position.

Boozer is not center eligible this year.
 
82C. Bird
ID: 5510211919
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 21:10 		Too late...I went ahead and pulled the trigger. Time will tell if it was a good move. We'll see
 
83weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 22:26 		Well it seems I have somehow seperated my team from the herd.
I know we all complain when all the rosters look the same but the fact is that is how teams maximize RV and in this case points.
My decision to go with Yao and Dirk as "differential" points have killed me by not having Lebron and Moon.
At this point I dont know if squeezing in Lebron should be considered or not.
Not having Moon has hurt but I am a little reluctant to hop on board now given the fact I cant find an efficient way into him.

So I turn to my teammates for some help/advice.
My roster is:
G Baron/SJax/Brewer/Louis W.
F Dwight/Dirk/AK/Bass
C Yao/S. Williams

My plan for this week is:
Move Yao into Kaman on 11/30.
Hold Dwight till 12/4 if I can trick myself into ignoring the losses but for who I have not decided.
Optional moves:
Bass to Moon
AK to someone else if he doesnt step it up.

If I need to move AK that would leave me with one trade reserved for Howard...essentially tradeless on a Thursday.

Advice?

 
84Florian
Dude
ID: 034815289
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 00:01 		Weykool

I traded Howard for Bogut. The money gain was nice, but I'm not sure Bogut's train will continue for long. However I plan to ignore him for now.

As you still have Howard, I'd hold on to him until the fourth unless an obvious choice appears before then.

I'd probably trade Bass to Moon as Bass' minutes are not consistent. That trade should (barring injury) gain you points and money. I'm in the same situation with Shawne Williams, but after Shawne started tonight and put up a game in the high 30s I'm starting to have doubts about that trade for me. Still leaning towards doing the trade though.

I'd hold onto AK for at least two more games before making a decision on him.
 
85Yehosh
Donor
ID: 181082023
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 00:43 		What I do recommend with Dirk is to sell him for James on the 11th for "round 2" of Lebron. It's a guaranteed 200K on a tuesday. I'm not even going to wait until the 14th to pick him back up, i'll just triangle it
James->??? on the 6th
Dirk->James 5 days later on the 11th

As for picking up James right now, that's as hard as it gets for decisions in Ultimate. This late, I would say NO and pray. If you move into him you're going to be playing catchup for a month now with trades. Not taking him now is a gamgle, but at least it's a gamble that lets you restructure you team and prepare for James's next hold.

 
87Kal Zakath
ID: 269581213
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 16:35 		OK, think I have my solution...

Bogans -> 6.7 million to spend on a player
Brewer -> Hold
Daniels -> This is where he gets dicey. For his production, I might wind up holding him through his bad stretch if trades become a problem.
Davis -> Hold

Jackson -> Hold
Kirilenko -> Hold
James -> Hold til next Wednesday, possibly later...
Williams -> Hold

Bynum -> Horford on the 3rd
Howard -> Kaman on the 29th

This will let me have the one trade to hang onto for emergencies - any thoughts on these?
 
88kentucky indians
ID: 33892520
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 02:44 		I was just playing with the sortables for the next 35 days... Does Antonio McDyess look good to anyone else? I'm insane to think he breaks out of gravity in the next day or two?
 
89kentucky indians
ID: 33892520
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 03:08 		...and after his one game in six days on 12/3 ... we need to get Dwight Howard back on 12/10!!

 
90kentucky indians
ID: 33892520
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 03:10 		....and secondly.... how did I miss Steven Jackson train?
 
91kentucky indians
ID: 33892520
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 04:02 		Allright... simple plan. subject to change with health news that will come out today... Lebron to Dirk Diggler and that gets the dollars for Murphy to Kaman... holding Marvin Williams since he was a late scratch and he's got only one game in the next four days anyway so he should be healthy for his busy stretch over the next 2 1/2 weeks. Biggest thing that sucks about Marvin is that any potential TSN money gains from next week just went out the window! Gotta try and get some sleep.
 
93Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 14:24 		Given that my team is lagging, and as a day late team, it is supposed to be pushing for financial value, and given that our GMD team is already short 3 LeBrons, I figure I should bail early. If LeBron puts up a monster tomorrow, we are cooked anyway. Might as well load up our bets on the other side.

I'm also carrying a stash of cash ($5m), which makes it silly to continue to carry Kirilenko when a significant upgrade is possible.

So, I'm leaning toward moving LBJ & Kiri to Garnett and Dirk. I could also substitute Marion for either.

In all likelihood, Garnett would turn into Howard on Dec 9, and Marion/Dirk would turn into LeBron on 12/11, assuming that LeBron is superman once again.

I'm having trouble figuring which of Dirk or Marion is the best choice. In the unlikely event that LeBron is not ready to return, Dirk has a slightly better schedule past 12/11. One of his games is @SA, but it doesn't appear that the Spurs have created any significant matchup problems for him.

Even though LeBron might play tomorrow, I'm still concerned that he might not be a full tilt, in which case, there's no compelling reason to hold him through likely losses if he's only going to put up (no better than) normal stud numbers.
 
94Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 14:44 		I suppose that Dirk and Marion may be the best combo if maximizing value is the primary objective. But when KG fits both price-wise and schedule-wise, it's tough to turn down, especially when he might also be a differentiating pick.
 
95weykool
ID: 2842717
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 14:46 		The bad news is Lebron is injured.
The good news the the beat-down that my GMD team has suffered at the hands of not having Lebron is finally over.
I already have Dirk so I should see some decent RV gains from those trading out of Lebron.
Kinda like a blind squirrel story.

Guru:
The numbers on Marion and Dirk are about the same.
Dirk should see more RV and can be held a bit longer.
The longer hold would probably give more flexibility if we see more injuries to highly owned players.
Of course with Marion there can always be those little runs where he puts up monster numbers over a week or two.
 
96Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 14:47 		*INTRUDER*

Guru,

Might I inquire on your thoughts on the relative pros and cons on Lebron => Kobe => Dwight vs. Lebron => Garnett => Dwight?
 
97weykool
ID: 2842717
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 15:16 		Kobe was sent to the NBA Dev league on Wednesday.

Per Rotoworld:

The Lakers sent Coby Karl to the D League on Wednesday.
He'll have a chance to play with the L.A. D-Fenders, unlike with the Lakers.

 
98Florian
ID: 167272717
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 15:23 		Went Lebron to Kaman as I figured the losses on Lebron will be significant and money is so important this early in the year. If I hear later today that he'll likely play I'll cancel the trade.

That leaves my team as:

Baron
Jackson
Harris
Daniels

Bogut
Granger
Moon
Brewer

Kaman
Bynum

It also leaves me with just over 10 million in cash burning a hole in my pocket. Plan to get back into Howard and Lebron at the end of next week, so I could just sit on the cash until then, but I could lose a lot of points in the meantime. Was going to trade Bynum for Kaman, but with 5 games in the next 7 nights there isn't really a hurry to sell him (though there will be some leaking since he is so highly owned). The only other near term sells are Granger and possibly Daniels (unless there are more injuries which can always happen). I could upgrade either Granger or Daniels to Dirk (or Garnett or Kobe). Or I could sell Daniels for Kidd on Dec. 2. Or I ignore the cash and wait for opportunities when future sells present themselves. Any thoughts?
 
99Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 15:31 		#97
Good to know, that rules out Kobe as a Lebron replacement then... ;)
 
100Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 15:40 		Hey weykool,

Do you use AOL Instant Messenger? If so, could you IM me @ Blooki? Thanks.
 
101Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 15:40 		[96] I prefer Garnett to Kobe, all other things being equal. The choice is 6 KG games vs. 5 Kobe plus an extra Howard, as you'd buy Howard back a little earlier. That might be worth a little extra money, I suppose.

 
102Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 16:04 		I'll probably go to KG on some teams, and Kobe on others.
 
103Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 17:19 		Going to Kaman from James

this will let me go Bynum->Al Jefferson next thursday and Howard->Boozer

I still think that for Ultimate, the Howard->Phoenix player move is not great this early in the season, RV still being a factor. Boozer will train hard.
 
105Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 09:22 		Interesting to see that of the 29 LeBrons on the 4 GMD teams, only 3 remain.
 
106G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 14:23 		Intruder

Well, since James missed the morning shoot around, I appear to be one of those 3 fools. Once it is official he is out, to Dirk it is for me with a little less cash in my RV bank but I would do it over again not knowing for sure the outcome.

End
 
107kentucky indians
ID: 33892520
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 03:41 		Was planning the struggling Daniel Gidson to Antonio McDyess today... Gibson's big game last night plus McDyess still in gravity has me second guessing that one.
Am I the only one in love with McDyess today? 20 games over the next 36 days -- best schedule in the game! Locked in starter averaging 25-30TSNP for less than $3.5M! A chance to score more if Rasheed starts collecting technicals; although weed seems to be calmer this year? Locking in on Antonio could really conserve on cheapie trades if he continues to produce.
 
108JMISA
ID: 151050262
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 04:17 		thinking of goin to mcdyess from blatche today too ... defintly a good lockdown for stability and schedule (liek devin harris was 2-3 weeks ago) jus worried that rasheed's comeback will take away from his recent production any thoughts on that?
 
109Kal Zakath
ID: 269581213
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 08:37 		Post #103

Yehosh -

With Boozer not playing last night, are you still looking to make that move ASAP? I'm thinking of waiting for the 4th and letting Boozer show he is healthy on the 3rd. If he seems to be hampered, then the moves I think will be Howard -> Phoenix player on the 4th/5th, and perhaps a player like Williams back into Howard when the schedule clears up. This also allows a Phoenix player -> Lebron move later on.
 
111Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 10:05 		It appears putting a player on my roster is all that's needed to put his production in a funk.

All you Kirilenko owners can thank me for swapping him into Dirk. (I'd happily return the $370K marginal gain if I could swap Dirk's points for AK47's last night.)

Beware - my next move will probably be from Granger to Horford. Expect Horford to quickly tank.
 
112weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 10:25 		On my other teams the plan was to go AK to Kaman on Thursday.
Fell asleep watching TV and woke up at 11:01.
Lost 240K in the price swing.

Made the move to Kaman on Friday.
The price swing was another 240K but the points swing was 56.0.

If losing were an olympic sport you would be looking at a Gold medal contender.

The question is.... now what do I do with AK on my GMD team?
Leaning towards holding.
The long term schedule is still decent.
"Just when I think I'm out they pull me back in".
 
113Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 10:44 		Kal,

I really dont know yet what to do. All these injuries threw all of my plans out the window.

We have all that cash from the James->Kaman move, so IMO our options are:

1) Upgrade Daniels to Nash on Sunday and Howard->Al Jeff
2) Bynum to Jefferson on Thursday and hoawrd->Nash
3) Upgrade Daniels to Kidd today and Howard-> AlJeff
4) This option is only for my since you already have Baron, but Daniels->Baron. Chances are, as soon as I pick him up I get the DNP, but it actually does make some sense.

If we do upgrade Daniels, we'll see to find an out from Bynum for thursday that isn't over 6M

 
114kentucky indians
ID: 33892520
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 16:47 		Im holding AK47...schedule is better than "decent." 12 games in the next 22 days!!! and... his production is fine for $6.??TSND. He doesn't cost $10M!

I like the Howard to Al Jefferson for 19 days starting on 12/4. The Phoenix guys look like awefully short term holds to me. Love there productions, Coach Bird with his 5 banked trade might look at short termer...but I'm too trade poor to go there.

Guru, why do you like Horford more than McDyess?


 
115Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 18:05 		center eliglble
 
116Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 18:15 		You may have a point, though, as I don't think I'll really need Horford's center eligibility. If I move Granger to McDyess today, I pick up an extra game as well.
 
119coldwater coyotes
ID: 249103110
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 12:54 		I need to move Daniels today...with only 4080 available my options
seem to be McDyess and Barnes. I would prefer Barnes but he is in
a gravity mode and I need FV gains. Any suggestions?
 
120kentucky indians
ID: 33892520
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 16:10 		I'm on record as liking McDyess
 
121qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 17:42 		I think Calderon will see a lot of gains from Daniels, given similarity in price, schedule and recent performance.

*disclaimer - i have him*
 
122Kal Zakath
ID: 269581213
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 04:57 		Hey guys - sorry missed the last couple days. The hit on Daniels at least didn't hurt too bad.

Am thinking of Daniels -> Boozer, actually (yes, I have 7 million lying around), which would then let me move Howard to just about anyone with the other trade tomorrow.

The other option is going Daniels->Horford to get my second center, and then Howard -> either Stoudamire or Boozer.

Of course, the above is all dependent on my finding out that Boozer is indeed healthy, otherwise, Daniels can become Stoudamire and Howard could become anyone.

Bynum would then move on Wed or Thur, with either Horford or Stoudamire taking over the center position.
 
123weykool
Leader
ID: 41750315
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 08:42 		Kal:

Boozer is NOT a center.
 
125Kal Zakath
ID: 269581213
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 15:45 		weykool -

I know - I have Kaman and Bynum at C. When I move Bynum I either have to have a center available or move him for one.

If I go Stoudamire right away, that gives me flexibility for the move from Bynum, otherwise, I have to move Bynum for a center.
 
126kentucky indians
ID: 33892520
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 19:12 		What am I missing about all the love for the Phoenix guys? Other than the 4 in 5 there schedule is piss poor. And why is Deron Williams getting no love? The Utah schedule is terrific and he is healthy vs Boozer who is not.
I don't think I can afford Deron but even if I could I'm not sure he's breaking out of gravity!

By the way... I feel like that old eighties commercial; "I've fallen but I cann't get up." How can I like my roster but still have sucked so bad this GMD period?
 
127Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 19:23 		Lebron and Dwight will be occupying two stud spots by the end of next week. That's why there's love for the Phoenix guys. They've got the densest schedule in the interim.

If you have good triangle options to deal w/ the Lebron/Dwight transitions, then more power to you. However, many of us will be resorting to the classic Player A => Player B => Player A transition to have Player A at all times other than when he is losing TSND.
 
128kentucky indians
ID: 33892520
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 19:38 		Loving Howard and want to get there on 12/10... Phoenix is off the ninth and plays the 10th! Phoenix does have it's 4 in 5 but I'm just thinking I'd rather have the two trades rather than a 4 in six and become trade starved. And an Injured Lebron is hardly a "must have" on 12/11? 12/14 if he is healthy is the date I'm targeting... but what do I know? I'm bringing up the rear in both points this period and I'm near the bottom in RV!
 
129Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 22:34 		I take it nobody is taking Boozer?

I was thinking Howard->Phoenix->Boozer (11th)

That gains 2 games

I can move Dirk next week back to Howard, he is really underperforming.

The only downside is I'll have to move Baron to James on the 13th, a little earlier than I'd like to sell Baron.

What do you guys think?
 
130Kal Zakath
ID: 269581213
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 23:56 		Yehosh -

I wound up going Daniels -> Boozer (40+ TSNPs tonight if I am adding right).

My move for tomorrow is going to be Howard -> probably Stoudamire, which lets me then either move Bynum for Horford next week, meaning that Stoudamire can go either back into Howard at a later date or into LeBron when the time comes.

If I don't go Horford, then Stoudamire will be my second center for a while. I might just go Howard -> Horford, though, freeing me up to do whatever I want with Bynum.
 
131qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 00:02 		I think your calculations for Boozer are a little modest...more like 60+
 
132Kal Zakath
ID: 269581213
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 00:18 		qwert -

Where did all those stats come from for him? Were he and AK47 beasts in the last couple minutes or something?
 
133qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 00:34 		he was having a huge game all along from what I saw...45+ going into the fourth I think

 
134Guru
ID: 330592710
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135Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 09:49 		I finally outlasted my Howard-free problem. I plan to have him by Friday.

No trades that have to be made today (since I don't have Howard), but several guys bear close scrutiny - particularly Devin Harris. Moving Harris to Calderon is under consideration, even though Dallas plays both Wed-Thu while Calderon plays on Wed only. The dollars will favor Calderon, and if Harris is going to miss any time, that trade could/should be done as early as today. Of course, we probably won't know the Harris status until game time (when it's too late).

My two big trades this coming week are Kobe=>Howard on Thursday, and Dirk=>LBJ at the end of the week, assuming LeBron is back in action. Even if I move Harris=>Calderon, I'll have two more trades to work with.

I thought of Udrih, but don't have a logical way to get into him (i.e., no Louis Williams).
 
136weykool
      Leader
      ID: 41750315
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 10:13 		Made the move of Howard to Boozer today.
Have one trade left and thought about Dirk to Nash.
However I also have Louis.
Should I move to Udrih instead?
 
137Yehosh
      Donor
      ID: 181082023
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 11:08 		weykool,

bear in mind that Nash is playing through an elbow problem.

If Marvin continues to stink, I'm thinking of moving Marvin Williams to Udrih on friday. I'll give him a couple more games, but I need to see a 25+ performance or else its Beno time.

I'm going Howard->Amare just because I don't want to have to trade Bynum for a center on thursday.By the time I sell Amare, Howard should be back on my team
 
138Kal Zakath
      ID: 269581213
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 11:52 		I'm thinking about options for Howard:

A) Move him for Amare, then move Bynum for anyone up to about $7 million at any position.

B) Move him for Horford, then move Bynum for Josh Smith tomorrow.

C) Move him for Josh Smith, then move Bynum for Horford tomorrow.

I am kind of leaning toward moving him for Stoudamire. It's a temporary move due to not great schedule means that I have no compunction about trading back into Howard after the 4 in 5. That it is so short a hold is also a reason against it, though, and that is why it keeps falling down when I get ready to do it.

Josh Smith and Horford would be longer holds, which leave me with the questions on who I go back into Howard from. I am thinking that if I don't go big on either one (Howard or Bynum) it would let me go Marvin Williams -> Howard later in the week (perhaps Sunday).

The question then becomes which couple to pick up.

I would need about 5 million to make that move of Williams to Howard, so, the question is how to get there.

Howard -> Horford gives me 6.2 overall (5.4 + 0.8 in the bank), so I would be able to move Bynum for someone around 5.5-6 million tomorrow. Am seriously considering Calderon for the move. (I would move Horford to C, and then move Williams to Forward, setting up the easy acquisition of Howard from him later).

Thoughts?
 
139JMISA
      ID: 51115937
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 12:18 		Intruder

Don't u mean to move bynum in 2 days and not tommorrow since hs starts B2B tonight

and C is definetly better then B jus based on season averages. Josh Smith > Horford

 
140Kal Zakath
      ID: 269581213
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 16:04 		JMISA -

Nope, mean tomorrow.

He's going to bleed a lot on that last day (everyone getting their trades tonight and the huge hole in the schedule coming up. He has a game tonight, and none of the people who I am looking at do.

Calderon has a game tomorrow, though, so I won't be missing any games by making that move the one day early and it might be worth 300k in gains vs. losses. As far as the other moves are concerned I need to evaluate how much ownership in Bynum might be left after tonight (I expect more of a selloff tonight, but think he should still be super-heavily owned after tonight) to determine whether I need to move him a day early for one of the others.

Right now I seem to be leaning toward Amare, though, for tonight, then getting Calderon from Bynum tomorrow, missing the Horford move (even though I love it) unless I get him from someone else (like maybe even his teammate, Williams).
 
141weykool
      ID: 2842717
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 16:07 		I think I would favor the move to Amare as well.
Not all that sold on Horford as a long term hold.
When I go cheap I want someone who can be held for a longer term.
 
142Kal Zakath
      ID: 269581213
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 16:07 		PS -

Welcome to the team - you aren't an intruder anymore, are you?
 
143Yehosh
      ID: 2910291321
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 17:19 		JMISA, welcome and good luck

I need advice regarding Marvin Williams, here are a few options I've come up with.

1) Marvin->Bene on Thursday to free up Cash and upgrade Bynum->Al Jefferson

2) Marvin->Granger (11th) and Bynum-> someone around 5M

I know I lose a game of Marvin with option 1, but it lets me pick up Jefferson who has a great long term schedule

My other 2 moves for next week will be Amare->Boozer (11th) and Dirk->Howard (9th)
 
144Kal Zakath
      ID: 269581213
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 17:35 		I think I'm caving and going Howard -> Stoudamire and then Bynum -> Calderon tomorrow.

This should give me solid cash in the bank, and a solid lineup.

The move will then be Stoudamire -> Howard on the 9th (neither has a game, and the Stoudamire sell off and the Howard buy-in probably will be starting there).
 
145JMISA
      ID: 51115937
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 18:01 		oh wow forgot the waiver session was today .... thanks ..i see we are in last place hopefully i can help boost the team scores for this period

yehosh i think al jefferson has some sort of nagging injury so might want to doublethink picking him up ... especially for a long term hold ( i had him under radar too and went with rasheed instead when i heard of the injury)

i like option 2 better and if you need a center for bynum it seems as if horford would be your best choice
 
146JMISA
      ID: 51115937
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 18:06 		biggest desicion to make right now is which PHO stud to get NASH-MARION-AMARE

Pros:

Nash - highest season and 15 day avg of the three

Marion - most consistent history wise and statistics wise solid 20-10 man and gets alot of minutes (he also seems to do well tsnp wise regardless of how well or bad the rest of the team do)

Amare - Recently doing better then Marion and is also a Center spot (although i don't need a C) and is currently the cheapest of the 3

Cons:

Nash - too expensive nets u no money from Howard + i suspect he will be the lowest gainer of the 3

Amare - gets less minutes then Marion and can always put up a flaky game or 2

I still have a lil bit time to make the descion and thoughts on your parts?
 
147Yehosh
      ID: 2910291321
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 19:30 		I like amare just because of the C spot, that way I can do whatever I want with Bynum. By the time Amare will be sold, Howard will be back on my team. Since Kaman isn't going anywhere until the 23rd, it makes things simpler.

Regading Bynum, I think I may follow in Kal's footsteps and take Calderon. Seens like a solid idea. Other option is Bynum to Beno Udrih.