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Subject: Soulman's '07-'08 GMD Team (TP1)

Posted by: Soulman - Donor [016105313] Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 08:08

Welcome Dave R, deejay, Usual Suspects, turnabouts, Gescom, Dilo, BD. I'm very happy with how the draft went and I'm excited to have all of you on board.

There's no doubt in my mind that this is going to be a very competitive GMD season, so let's all do our best to be able to hoist the trophy in April. But to me even more important than everybody doing their individual best is that we work together as a team! And - first and foremost - that we have loads and loads of fun! :)

So please do freely post all your plans, thoughts, analyses, predictions, frustrations, questions, whatever. If last GMD season is any indication, then an active and completely open discussion not only helped the overall team performance but also each individual team's performance a lot. So post away, guys!!! And don't let yourself be inhibited if English isn't your mother tongue. Heck, we're a GMD team and not an English linguistics class! :)))

Season starts Wednesday, so let's all have our teams rolling by then. Let's go guys!

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 08:11

To start off discussion, I must say I'm not too unhappy about how last night went. Can't remember I ever made 960k in a single night. My team is basically all Golden State and Orlando, which with both their uptempo style and their excellent schedules make for a promising outlook. I also like Dallas and already have Devin, more to come if opportunity presents itself. Then of course there is LBJ, so if I don't have to entirely screw up my team to get him, I will do so on Tuesday. Z is also an option if there isn't enough money for the King.

I'm completely indifferent about all the cheapie names currently swirling around (Williams, Udrih, etc.) and I don't plan to go near them until they have something resembling a schedule. Excellent production is great but if there aren't games to make that production count, then why bother. Blatche does have a schedule, but I'm not sure about his consistency. Besides, he is a sell again in less than two weeks.

So no trades for me today, all the players that I presume will again be top gainers (Warriors + Harris) are already in the house. Will look at the Cavs tomorrow when the next sell candidates will present themselves (e.g. via injury à la Paul).

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 08:25

same here Soulman, 840k up for me, cant remember going up that much in one night.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 08:30

Unfortunately Lebron will have to wait till saturday for me. Kobe>Bron seems to be my way...no sense in doing that today, cuz that gives 3Kobe vs 2Lebron, though the points could be wash and the money will be good. Hmm.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 08:30

Thanks for picking me Soulman...I'll volunteer to post the team standings as soon as I get it set up ( or as soon as Guru gets it set up ;)

I didn't have the financial windfall you did, But have Lebron already in tow. Have no must sells anytime soon, although I'm not thrilled with RJ and Granger still on my roster, but until a better option appears, they stay. I am a little worried about Gay, he could be on a short leash, with his diminshed production of late, huge ownership and a 2-6 starting soon.

Harrington is another, not necessarily because he had a subpar game yesterday, but he has already appreciated nearly $1 million. Time will tell if SJ's return has an impact on him, or any of the other Warriors. There are attractive C options out there.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 10:33

Gescom reporting to serve and protect.
Thanks for the pick mate.
Same as Dave R, team set up, Lebron already in, no moves planned before Friday or Saturday.
Monitoring Harrington and Williams (The Indiana one). Really hope Howard can last till 12/04 and that Kobe pick it up to make him unsellable.

bd
ID: 01081412
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 11:01

Just a quick note that I am here. I was pleasantly surprised to be drafted:) I'll post in a couple hours with my plans for my team. Thanks for picking me:)

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 11:58

Dave, many thanks to you for volunteering to do the stats.

RJ, Granger and Gay are all possible sell candidates but in no way must sells (well, next week RJ and Gay are). That's actually an ideal situation because it gives you time to evaluate if and which swaps would be most beneficial.

I'm not too worried about Harrington, as far as I can see, most managers (including me) are still busy to be cleaning up their draft mess or their crashed train busts. I'm also not worried at all about having 4 Warriors. I guess the typical night will be, that of these four (1) one will go nuts, (2) two will play their value, and (3) one will utterly suck. And reverse their roles in the next game. And in the next yet again.

So on average and with the marvelous schedule they have, I hope they'll give me the same stability as the Dwight/Jameer/Hedo combo has given me for three weeks now. That should save enough trades to efficiently shuffle around the other few positions.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 12:07

Hello Team,
glad to make my GMD-Premiere in such a heavy-weight-company.
No trades today for me. Already have my ultra-cheapies with Moon and Indy-Williams. Next mission is King Kong from R.Jefferson or R.Gay depending which R. sucks more tonight.
Till now I'm up to my best start ever: Points, trades and this time also the FV go together like never before.
Hoping the best for my and our team.
Keep it up!

bd
ID: 01081412
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 12:42

I'm well behind on RV already so trying to get LBJ will be difficult. The best options I see are after tonight's games going Chandler/Peja to LBJ/and a guard under (2.52 before tonight's trades). Best options I see at guard are Udrih, Delfino or Telfair. I could also include Jefferson after tonight(but hadn't planned on it)if you see a better plan and I could add a another player for about $6.5 Mill.
I could also just wait and go Kobe to LBJ on Saturday. But Chandler and Peja would need to go right after anyway.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 13:24

bd, you have the trades, so I'd package all three of Chandler/Peja/RJeff tomorrow. Unpopular picks Chandler and Peja are probably part of the reason why you're so far behind in RV, and holding RJeff past tomorrow is just delaying the inevitable.

Plus your cash that gives you almost $20m to operate with, so it should not be hard to get a decent combo for this, even if it includes LBJ's $11m.

One thought on LBJ however: His current production is unquestioned but my prediction is he won't be a big money maker overall. Why? Because I believe so many will rush into LBJ tomorrow that buys will be concentrated. Which usually makes for less gains than buys which are spread out over one or two weeks.

So as an RV challenged team you could consider studs which are a bit cheaper (e.g. Baron or Dirk) instead. I'm not saying that's what I recommend, I just wanted to bring up the idea.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 15:25

Hello Team! Nice to be here!

This is my second gmd season and i want to improve from last year where i was kicked out of the team after the first period.

My team is not really good but also not really bad. Tomorrow i will go to Lebron from RJ or Gay and maybe from the other to Ilgauskas.
One problem is Troy Murphy (don't ask). He is in Gravity and i already lost 180. When his next back to back is lousy i will trade him right away.

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 18:29

Hey team...thanks for the pickup Soulman. I love the look of the team you've assembled and am glad to be a part of it.

As far as my team is concerned, I was going to go Gay-Moon yesterday and then RJ-Lebron tomorrow but the Kirilenko injury made me change my plans and wait until gametime. If Kirlenko plays, then I will go Gay/RJ-Lebron/Moon tomorrow. If he sits out, I will move him to Shawne Williams tonight (allowing me to have another C on my team in case Harrington crashes) and then move RJ-Lebron tomorrow. I'm really hoping he plays because I want to keep him for a long time. The rest of my team is set up nicely for the time being.

As far as Moon is concerned, I am not thrilled about getting into him this late, is there another sub 2 million dollar player you like more? I already have Udrih and see Moon as the next best option.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 18:34

Usual just to make sure you dont accidently buy the wrong one, I think you mean Sean Williams, thats a Center, Shawne Williams is a Forward.

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 18:53

Yes, the Nets Williams.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 19:13

"...is there another sub 2 million dollar player you like more?"

Nope, not by long a shot. Go Moon. He is for real, and according to the TSN ownership report he's still less owned than e.g. RJeff. Means if he keeps it up, there's still plenty of cash to make.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 23:14

Interesting only one of us held Brewer, I would have thought more than that. He should be nearly down to his opening day price shortly.

turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 05:59

Does anyone know if there are price movers on thursday 11/22?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 06:34

Somehow(dont ask me why) I was under the impression Dunleavy was a G/F, but that aint the case I realize today. That is one hell of a bummer , was gonna do Gay>Harris today, but that wont work since No place at the G position. There go my plans. Bah.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 06:53

Why not move Dunleavy to Harris then.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 07:51

20

Well Dave, my original plan was to do Dunleavy>Jax(11/18) and Webster>Harris today.
But reconsidered unfortunately... to keep a trade at hand was the reasoning behind it. And went Webster>Jax stead that day.
Doing Dunleavy>Harris is pretty much swapping games since they both have a b2b.
Should have done it last night it actually.

I have bad memories of swapping one player for another when they both play. :)

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 11:23

22
DJ, did you look at Dallas Long-Term-Schedule? I think Harris is a must get, but Dunleavy, hmmm!

For me today It's bye bye RJ and hello LJ. Could sell also Bogans or Gay (for money preservation), but am not overexited by the substitutions that would make sense today. Leaning towards waiting till their next games, and come up with something like Brewer from Bogans and Kiri from Gay!
What do you think, about today's options: bynum would be the only interesting option for me from gay today, but somehow I like the waiting-version a tad better!

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 11:28

yes i defenitely did, but it seems so lateral to me. The money aside.
I was also looking at Gay>Bynum, dilo. But hes already the most owned C, though the Kwame news opens opportunities.

bd
ID: 01081412
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 13:42

Probably won't be by a computer until after games start tonight so just finished making trades. Didn't go LBJ(may go there from Kobe later if Kobe doesn't perform). Went Peja/chandler/jefferson --> Harris/Dirk/Jackson I really wish Jackson had a couple more games to get a better feeling about tsnp/gm but he projected out much better than other options in his price range. It's a couple days late to get on him, but I still suspect he'll bring some $$ especially if he has a big game.
I also live in Dallas so getting Dirk and Harris makes it easy to follow.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 17:03

That early price shift for LBJ thwarted my plans a lot, so I need to try something different. So in a combo swap, which of the three options each would you prefer?

* $5m C slot - Haywood/Bynum/Diop
* Cheapie slot - Louis Williams/Bass/Mihm

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 17:19

Without looking schedule, Bynum / Williams

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 17:19

26- Very tough question. I am personally not crazy about any of those players. If forced to choose, I would probably say Bynum/Bass.

Am I really the only Brewer holder on our team? Going RJ/Gay-LJ/Moon today.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 17:26

26 - I like Al Horford more than your centers but he is still in gravity. So i will go with Diop because of the schedule and Bynum/Haywood are at the end of gaining money.

From the cheapi spot i will go with louis williams.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 17:43

23 - same here. will go RJ to LeBron. And Gay to Ilgauskas. And in 2 days Murphy and wright to brewer/ kirilenko.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 18:31

Thanks guys. Also leaning toward Louis Williams, so I'll go with him. My hope is he will be an unnoticed cheapie giving me an avg. of 15-18 at no money. If he does it, this slot is put to rest for weeks. So the sure combo move for today is Nelson/Hedo > LBJ/Louis.

Only question then is whether to also turn Priscilla into either Haywood/Bynum/Diop? Alternative would be just keep watching Priscilla's single digit games until there is a Center I really want. Any preferences here?

#30
That trade plan looks good.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 23:27

Had Jefferson to move, and couldn't decide on who to get. Almost got Hill, who had a nice 1st half.

After watching Harrington lay another egg, I decided to get Kaman now. Big Al's appreciation has hit an even million. Unless he turns things around tomorrow, he will likely become Kiri.

turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 07:31

As i posted in the injury thread al harrington is out tonight. So i tend to sell him despite the good schedule. I saw the last 2 GS games on TV and Al Harrington looked totally lost because of the return of Jax and Pietrus. Jax defends the big guy of the opponents very well and when GS plays zone defense there is no need to insert harrington.

I can go al to Ak47 today but i am not sure if and when how much AK47 will lose today?

Then i can go Al to kaman or pack Murphy and al to a combo of a cheapie and a stud? Not sure what to do...

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 07:56

Harrington>Kaman I guess for me. Need to look at it better though.

turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 08:01

Kaman originally was my Howard replacement next week.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 08:12

Kaman today was not in my planning either turnabouts, but holding harrington doesnt seem an option to me if hes gonna sit. The whole world has him. Could go to Bynum/Sean Williams too.
It has to be Center that I know.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 08:39

We have 6 Harrington owners and 3 Haywood and 1 with both. Sorry Captain.

Harrington is definately out for tonight and Haywood a game time decision. Inspite of his wonderful schedule I am afraid Harrington's price could be in for some rough times. Unfortunately there aren't alot that match the GS schedule.

Anyone have any thoughts?

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 08:53

hay, wood you buy buynum?

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 08:55

Thinking Kaman early

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 08:57

I think Harrington not playing tonight kills it, so he'll prolly have to go, now for all those like me that need a Center there are 3 options if you ask me.
1. Bynum: already highly owned, but starting now
2. Kaman: nice production but a 1in5 on the horizon
3. Sean Williams: 1in5 on the horizon

that is not to jump in the air.

Haywood I fortunately dont have.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 09:12

@ 18

no price-movers tomorrow
link

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 09:14

DJ,

Bynum, not a bad selection, but at most a 2 week hold

Kaman, spotty schedule, but by the end of his 3 day hole, only plays 1 less game than Bynum. Past that point his schedule is solid until the week before Christmas.

Sean, not a great schedule, but probably not widely owned, would allow cash for an upgrade.

I don't need a C so I am looking at AK47, another spotty early schedule but a hold up to the holidays. Unless someone else jumps out at me.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 09:20

Want to point out the 3 names I put there is in random order.
And if anyone sees a C your thoughts are always welcome. :)

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 09:31

#38
Yeah, unwritten rule that the captain is the chief fool on the team. ;)

But it's really amazing. It's obvious now that I possess the power to destroy Haywood. Picked him up twice this year for a grand total of three games so far. One look at this and it's easy to guess which three games. And now the ankle. Oh well, let's see if he suits up tonight and if not, on to the next disaster.

The Warriors did what I thought they would do - one goes off (Jax), two play their price (Baron/Azu) and one utterly sucks (Harrington). Just didn't know one was going to add a DNP. No idea what to do here.

And while it was painful to read news on Harrington and Haywood today, there were some bright spots as well. For instance, it surely looks like that Louis Williams kid could be fun to own. So yet there is hope :)

As for the other mess, I'm completely clueless and I will go by gut prior to tonight's games. I'll be offline now til then to pray, meditate and in any other possible way try to improve my Karma.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 09:32

there is also Ilgauskas of course. He slipped my mind in my list.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 11:22

and of course udrih i own that sucker too. what a day.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 12:52

I think I have to skip Kaman for now, if i sell Haywood. Going Bynum gives me the flex to get Kirilenko and Brewer, and Kaman I will get from Howard next week.
What is more important do you think, Kaman today or Kiri and Brewer this week?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 13:08

Same situation here dilo, and I prefer to get that duo(starting tomorrow) over kaman for now, I think.
So its start to look like Bynum for me too.
Kaman might(and prolly will) close my window.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 13:23

Dilo, you mention getting Kaman from Howard next week. I hope it's the end of the trade week, there is no time you can drop Howard for Kaman and not lose a game until 12/4.

Giving up games on cheapies is one thing, but I'd hate to lose a possible 40+ points and miss a Howard game.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 13:25

So DJ let's sing "If you don't buy me: bynum, you will never never buy me"
:-)

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 13:28

@ 50
What about 11/29 after Orlando's game in Seattle?
Actually I meant next trading week, Dave.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 13:42

Oh, I se you point now Dave. I think it depends if I can use the downgrade-money to upgrade one of my cheapies.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 13:48

What are you guys thinking about Bargnani as a upcoming Center option? Price is ok, and schedule is huge starting with next wednesday.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 17:30

54 i am not excited about Bargs

I will go Harrington to Kaman. I think Kaman will loose not more money in the schedule hole than gaining today when producing around 37 TSNP the next days.

After this trade i will move wright/murphy to brewer/AK 47 on friday. But my window is very close. So i need your help: how much money will Brewer and Kirilenko loose/ gain today?

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 18:46

I'm not excited about Bargnani at all. Let him first prove he can produce consistently. TOR's schedule is long enough, so he can show that he is able to put together a string of nice games. If he's able.

I think I'll join the straight Harrington>Kaman swap (phew, I can just squeeze it in by 20k!). I also think turnabouts's prediction on Kaman's price development during the schedule hole is right on target. Provided Kaman continues to produce.

The price mover question on Brewer/AK is very difficult, Utah is one of the teams for which an idea of the price movers dimensions completely eludes me. Might be due to the fact that I don't plan to pick up any Jazz player before mid-December, and thus fail to see why there is so much interest currently.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 18:47

56 check out the news on haywood:

no haywood tonight

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 18:49

With the latest Arenas injury, I cannot see myself passing on Daniels. I see him as a solid 16 & 8 guy with a couple steals, should be good for 30+ tsnp/game. What I have to debate is who to sell for him, since I will hold the other person until at least the weeken: Wright or Udrih. Leaning towards selling Udrih and just holding Wright-even if VC is back, his production stays about the same, low 20's. Thoughts?

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 18:53

Thanks turnabouts! But damn, that means I need to move Al and Haywood tonight. Which brings me down to two trades on a Wednesday. Ridiculous. Can't remember the last time I went down to two so early in the week, must be back years. Guess I'm in for a rough week...

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 18:56

58

I think Washington will not play 3 months with daniels as their main point guard. They will pick up a veteran in the next weeks. But for now (2 weeks) Daniels will produce around 30 TSNP and will be a good short time player. But be aware: 5 of the next 7 games are on the road against ugly teams like SAS and DAL.

And you can probably wait a game because the arenas news are to late to make an immediate impact on Daniels price moving up too much.

bd
ID: 31281917
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 18:59

Went Haywood to Bynum.

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 19:03

60-

In my opinion, I think they keep Daniels as their main PG. You have to remember that he was a lottery pick and whenever he has been given the chance, he has put up very solid numbers. I view him as a potential long term hold...barring he doesn't train too fast or too hard. Maybe he can put up some mid to high 20 games and fly under the radar for a bit?

I reluctantly used 2 trades to go Harrington/Udrih to Bynum/Daniels. Now I only have 340K and 2 trades left and it's 7:00 pm on a Wednesday...this could be a disaster.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 19:21

Wow. I was offline all day long on a business trip, saw very briefly the box scores early this morning before leaving and came back 30 minutes ago. So much happened in the last 16 hours!
Harrington needs to go. I don't need a C and don't have SJax yet so I guess it's a no brainer as Jax predictions outpoint everyone by far in the price range I can afford.
I would have just enough to get either Kiri or Kaman but will pass for now and forget the early gains. Kaman is someone I want but rather after the one in five, not before.
As for the other weak or bleeding spots on my roster, I will stay pat for tonight as everyone (should) play and reevaluate tomorrow: Wright, Udrih will be exit candidates, L.Williams, Brewer and a few others could be considered as entry candidates.
BTW, Note to my german friends: I spent my day freezing in Nurnburg;-)

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 19:24

63

I live in Nürnberg! And Dilo too.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 19:34

#64
Yeah, when I read the end of Gescom's post, I immediately thought "He could have visited turnabouts/Dilo today"!

#63
So Gescom, should you ever happen to be in Munich: Drop a line before (and not after ;)) you've left, and we can go for a beer! :)

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 19:44

07:30pm: You bought Stephen Jackson for $4,810,000.

Pff! That was close!

Had no idea guys. Thought you were all from Munich! Had a packed day but did manage to stop by the adidas factory outlet. Only missed the sausage, they were out of stock at the airport;-)

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 20:14

I did go Harrington>Kaman at the end.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 21:22

And Udrih>Brewer too then. Sad day in hoops paradise.

turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 08:01

My plans changes every hour. After Troy Murphys good game yesterday and O'Neal missing time indefinetly i tend to hold him. But then there is no way in AK47.

So my original plan was Wright/Murphy to brewer/AK47.

Instead of this two trades i can go Wright to Daniels and save one trade.

Thoughts?

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 08:34

Nice night turnabouts !

Depends your other needs this week but if you're not really trade-challenged, i would go for both.

And desastrous night for me...

Team Poll: Which combo do you like more ?
Brewer - Daniels
Brewer - Blatche
Daniels - Blatche

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 08:56

#69
Also depends what you want to do with the Jazz boys. Daniels is going to be a sell the next weekend (unless he puts out 50s every night out) when people want to cash in the quick money they made. So if Brewer/Ak would be long-term holds in your scheme, it's not really that a Daniels move is a saved trade in the long run.

#70
Although I personally am not looking at any of those guys, if forced to choose I'd say Brewer/Daniels. As for Blatche, his value could be destroyed as quickly by Haywood's return as it was built by his absence.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 09:06

Happy Thanksgiving all...

Ditto Turnabouts.

Gescom, I think all three would be nice.. really I think you need to figure what you have an open slot for down the road, IE future buys, my team is configured such that my F slots are spoken for. Maybe you have the flex where it doesn't matter.

If you want to be bold, you can move Wright/Udrih/Williams to all three ;)

I think given a choice of 2, I would pick Daniels and Brewer. It may or may not make a difference, but Haywood won't be out for ever.

I'm likely moving Bogans to Daniels today and waiting on Brewer til Sunday from Gay or Granger. I'll miss out on some money, but would rather not miss a game. Bogans doesn't really have to go, but I view Daniels as an upgrade, with the cash gains as a fringe benefit.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 10:00

Thanks for giving Dave, congrats to turnabouts and would have been nice to eat a Bratwurst with you Gsecom!

@69
Think going Kiri and Brewer can't be wrong money and pointwise (of course as long term holds). And you have to sell your gravity-murphy anyway next trade-week.

@70
Brewer-Daniels

And for me, i think I stick to the utha-guys and brew me some white-russian, instead of going gay with Keith!
;-)

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 10:10

I dont know what Im gonna do to be honest.
I have 2 trades.
I dont own Lebron,and as planned before the Harr/Udrih disaster, Kobe>Lebron requires one trade on saturday.
Leaves one trade, for Gay/AWright which I rather would see go both,but Lebron in means one stays for sure or even both if I dont want to be tradeless by sunday(or saturday)
Wright seems a tad more holdable than Gay correct? Or is it just the other way around?
I really like ADaniels today. And Wright>Daniels is extremely tempting today.
Or from Gay for that matter. And hold Awright this week.

Kobe>Lebron picks only one game up before they both have to go, but no Lebron seems a bit suicidish.
This is gonna be a long day to come up with a (Non self-destroying) plan.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 10:31

70

Brewer/Daniels

73

Thanks, dont really celebrate it, but sure a turkey and a nice glass of wine I wouldnt say No to. :)

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 11:00

I guess not all of us here celebrate Thanksgiving, but no doubt we all have something to be thankful for.

What does everyone think of Daniels? He would come my way via Bogans. He plays 11 games over 3 weeks, with an unfortunate 3 day whole in the middle. If he can sustain 30+ points, and I think he can, he can be held thought the gap.

Bogans isn't a must sell until Dwight goes, which I have no plans on doing until 12/3. And Bogans does make a nice return to Udrih, assuming he is still starting.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 12:26

Happy Thanksgiving Dave and everyone who celebrates it! It's not officially celebrated over here, but as you say, there are always things in life we should be thankful for. So celebrating a bit of Thanksgiving every day definitely is not a bad idea.

As for hoops, Daniels obviously is a good option and I think he will continue to outproduce his still modest price. Only thing I'm not so sure about is whether this will be enough to carry him through that 3 day gap. Especially if by then he has seen significant gains. A bad outing against a stifling Spurs defense on 11/28 could prepare a selloff on 12/2. So for trade-depleted teams, he could be risky. However, for everyone with plenty of trades, I'd say go for him.

It's unfortunate that I am forced to skip him on my team, but with only two trades left on a Thursday, I have to go for long schedules and avoid players who are bound for quick and focused gains. Especially as now comes the time in which players start to drop like flies. Harrington/Haywood/Udrih was only the beginning - and the next dose of such medicine could be fatal to many teams (including mine).

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 12:27

I guess not all of us here celebrate Thanksgiving, but no doubt we all have something to be thankful for.

True that Dave.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 12:44

Well, I have 3 trades left, one earmarked for Brewer. This is the only team I dropped him on. I'm going to give Daniels serious consideration over turkey etc. I know he has SAS, as well as Dallas, but also GS, Philly and Toronto. Somehow Jameer managed 35.5 last night against TD, etal.

If I decide to skip, I may just move Bogans to Brewer tomorrow, giving up a Bogans game. And susequently hold Gay.

bd
ID: 31281917
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 12:51

Used a trade to go Haywood to Bynum last night. So have 3 trades. I have Bogans that I could move to one of the three guys mentioned: Daniels/Blatche/Brewer. My other concern is Azubieke (or however it's spelled) who was good for negative points last night. Hopefully it was just a bad night, but with all the available options emerging should I look to move him?

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 13:20

bd, I'm the only other Azubuike owner on the team and while I didn't enjoy his negative production last night, I'm not overly concerned. Seeing how a few greed moves and a few injuries made my banked trades evaporate more quickly than a drop of water on a stovetop, I will be well content with the low 20s he will continue to average. We all know that Nellie has a different game plan every night, so any Warrior could go for 50+ any time. Meaning unless any of them declares to end his career, I won't think of selling before their awesome schedule runs dry.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 14:48

Thanks for the consensus and agree on Brewer / Daniels over Blatche from Wright and Udrih.
I will keep Sh. Williams for now. He can't lose much, is capable of 30+ outings, and trade him would leave me a bit low in trades for a Thursday.
Happy Thanksgiving to all and no mercy for turkeys.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 08:44

Hello Team,

I could really use your opinion(s).

Kobe,Baron,Harris,Brewer
S.Jax,Moon,Gay,AWright
Kaman,Dwight

1.02 mil in the bank and 2 trades...

Kobe>Lebron would leave me one which means no Kirilenko from Gay(11/25),Kiri who I really would like to add, but that doesnt work cashwise.
So I have been back and forth on that.

So it seems I am gonna have to skip Kiri for now.(jikes)
Unless I do Wright->Blatche or Louis W. today and Gay->Kiri on Sunday.
But that brings me back to no Lebron.(and no Adaniels who will defenitely go off if I dont own him, and who I defenitely prefer over that other cheap duo)

Another option with my 2 remaining trades would be Wright/Kobe->ADaniels/Lebron(today/tomorrow)which means going tradeless tomorrow and eating the Gay losses.

I could also be conservative and get simply Lebron (from Kobe) tomorrow, and do something with either Wright/Gay on suday/monday-ish if some option presents itself.

Im hesistant because Kobe/Lebron are holdable till the same day.(on the other hand Lebron will easily outpoint mr.Bryant plus it gains a game) Kirilenko is more longterm planning which my team defenitely could use.

Sorry for the rant, but it loooks like a puzzle today.
Actually yesterday already, but I took the night off :)

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 09:02

If presented with too many possible paths, I always go back to what I see as the main question: Who needs to go today? From what I see in your roster that is nobody - so why make a plan today when by tomorrow the landscape could be completely changed by injury, suspension, sucking, benching whatever? Sure, some options will make money tonight but if you are so unsure as to whether to make a move today (and if so which one), I'd do nothing for now and re-evaluate tomorrow. There's a lot that can happen in 12 games scheduled tonight!

And don't forget: Sometimes we can't pack all interesting options into a 10-slot roster. So even if you are forced to skip any combination of LBJ/Kiri/Daniels, your team still won't be doomed. E.g. I deliberately are not planning to pick up either Kiri or Daniels and still I am so bold to think that my team will survive! ;)

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 09:26

thanks Soulman, you make a lot of sense.

Usual Suspects
ID: 5510262310
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 11:35

84-

Agree with Soulman to wait today. Afterwards, if the situation is still the same, I would probably go Kobe/Gay-Lebron/Daniels but really, you have so many different options that make sense and I'm sure tomorrow will even add a few more.

bd
ID: 31281917
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 01:20

Don't forget that Tor/clev and chi/ny are early tip offs tomorrow!
I hoped Kobe would put up big numbers and I could hold him for a while, he hasn't and it looks like I'll be moving to LBJ.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 09:42

Kobe>Lebron for me today and then Gay to Mystery Guy if Gay sits.
AWright will have have to stay and I will be tradeless.

My other option would Wright/Gay to Kiri/Louis Williams...

seem to prefer to have Lebron.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 12:27

Ouch, having only 3 Barons has hurt us big time last night.

I'm loosing patience with Kobe and am considering Kobe -> Baron today. This would obviously not be a money move as Baron went up 800k already but - presumably - a point push. Baron can theoritically be held till 12/18 even if the chances he can make it to the end are slim. Of course Kobe will go off the next game and Baron will twist a knee if I do that move but what do you guys think ?

If I was to give more time to Kobe, other options I'm considering:
- Kobe -> Nash or Redd on Monday
- Kobe -> Kirilenko or Boozer on 12/03

deejay, I would go Kobe - Lebron and pray Gay is ok sooner rather than later. Your strong RV can swallow a hit on Gay.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 13:16

thanks Gescom exactly what I did, now please let Gay play.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 17:58

thinking about Gay>Louis, and then on wednesday(wish it would be sooner) Wright>Kirilenko.
Not wild about all these 5mil options(the ones I dont have yet). And if Gay is to sit, at that time Louis is already frozen.
Really could use some news out of Memphis.
Is Marvin Williams an option?

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 18:23

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I would wait if Gay will play!

Being tradeless on a saturday is hard, really hard. And your fv is so good that losing money on gay is not so bad for you (like Gescom already mentioned).

If Gay will not play marvin williams is an option. Maybe I will go to him too (from nelson on tuesday).

91

I agree that the move kobe to Baron is too risky. And i would prefer kobe to kirilenko on wednesday.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 18:27

sorry gescom. not kobe to kirilenko on wednesday. I meant on 12/03 like you posted it.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sat, Nov 24, 2007, 19:00

"When in doubt, etc..."

Staying pat today. I hope I won't develop a non-buyer remorse in 30 minutes.

bd
ID: 31281917
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 09:24

Nice night DJ and Soulman.
I have 2 trades and .73 Mil. and it seems the big moves are into AK47 today. I have Dirk and could move into AK if needed. I can't see the fascination with AK though.
Dirk hasn't been great but is putting up 36 to 39 per game (7 and 15 day avg.). Kirilenko has been 30 and 40 (7 and 15 day avg.). I also see the two days off... back to back... then two days off in the Utah schedule coming up and that doesn't excite me. Over the next 12 days, Dirk has 7 games to AK's 6.
I think I should hold, but with all the chatter about AK, will I miss huge gains and should I reconsider??
I also remember AK was horrible last year (24.5 season avg) and I am worried about him reverting to that. I guess previous year's stats also have me shying away from Kaman... has he improved that much? Is it a fluke? I know Brand isn't there this year, but he wasn't very good prior to this year.
I also have Bass and could move him for Brewer or L. Williams.
Sorry for the long post.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 10:16

Thanks bd. But today will make up for it as I hardly have anyone going.

It's true there is lots of AK chatter right now and he will make serious money tonight no doubt. However, his further financial development through Utah's strange schedule will depend on which AK we see - the 5x5 one or the 25 TSNP one. If it's the 25 TSNP one, there again will be loads of chatter by Thursday. But then in the other direction. ;)

So despite all the hype I completely fail to develop any zeal for AK. This is why my advice would be to stay with the proven commodity that Dirk is, even though he's not pulling his weight right now. Still, if you don't do the move and Dirk stays calm while AK goes off, you still have the trade to get the next hot pickup. If Dirk goes off and AK sucks (or gets hurt), you'll have nothing.

But that's just my cautious take on it, hard to tell whether caution or risk is better in this case.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 10:24

Having said that, I think I'll give in and go Azu>Brewer today. Should have done it two days ago but didn't want to be down to 1 on a Friday.

Would like to keep Azu cause I still think he's good value for his price but got convinced when today I realized there's almost a 2m price difference between them. Besides, Ellis is starting to heat up (and Pietrus also hasn't been bad the last few games), so I think it's unlikely that Azu will get 50s again. This means the bleeding won't stop and this means I have to bail now.

Azu will probably punish me by getting 50 after 50 in the Warrior's upcoming run-and-gun showdowns with PHO/SAC/SEA/ORL (as holder of multiple Warriors, I hope this is going to be a fun week :)), but GS just has too many weapons to make me think Azu will get enough time/looks to further produce.

If any of you wants to talk me out of this before the 1:00 Utah game today, please do so.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 10:34

#98
bd, completely forgot about your other questions:

- Kaman absolutely looks like the real deal this year and with his C eligibility easily is playing a $10m price tag. With the usual dismal situation at center, IMHO he is a must for December and should be targeted by everyone by 11/30 at the very latest.

- as for Bass > Brewer/Lou: I don't think that Bass has to go, especially with Dampier hurting. Reason I'm getting Brewer is only to get out of Azu's $3.3m. If I had Bass, I probably wouldn't spend a trade to go Brewer.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 10:45

thanks bd.

I am looking what to do with Gay today.
Thanks to my teammates, I enjoyed his nice night last night.
But I think today the exodus will be major nevertheless(mostly to kiri).
Since I dont have the cash for Kirilenko, Im still looking what to do exactly.
Seems Gay to a cheapie and Wright to kirilenko at the refresh seems a plan.
But first gonna see how Wright does today anyway.

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bd
ID: 31281917
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 10:55

As the other Azubuike owner. I feel going into Brewer is a lateral move. I hope to use the trade later on when a more pressing need/opportunity arises.

I was happy that Azubuike was in at the end of the game to hit the three pointer that won the game for GS last night.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 10:58

And to answer your questions.

bd:
dirk has been a bit subpar have him on another team and am not completely happy about him.
But dirk to kiri doesnt really gain games. So not sure thats a plan, bd.
Kaman has a history of playing well without Brand, so I dont see any reason to not get him soon.
Bass seems a keeper, I agree with Soulman, was actually thinking of getting him as my cheapie from Gay today.

Soulman:
azu to brew seems decent, azu is highly owned and will keep bleeding unless he drops consecutive 50s the next week. Which I dont see happen either, Soulman. Sched is still wonderfull tho, but sure you can use the 2mil somewhere else.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 12:18

Of course I hadnt seen, Wright has the last game of the night, nevertheless Gay has to go.

5.32 for a replacement, no one really jumps out to me. bleh.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 12:54

#103
Yeah point-wise, Azu to Brewer is as lateral as it gets. Heck, it might even lose points. So it absolutely would be a move only to protect gains and free that 2m extra cash. Not that I need it right now but it can't hurt I reckon. By this, I hope to cement Moon, Brewer and Louis as low-price contributors for the next few weeks which hopefully will enable me to use the 4 weekly trades to manage 7 slots only.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 17:23

Ok guys I narrowed it down to:

1. Louis: Korver scares me
2. Bass: nothing special but for that price what can ask, and Dallas sched' goes forever
3. Grant Hill: no kiri then on wednesday, GF, Pho sked is nice. But its Grant Hill. And as said Wright to Kiri looks good on wednesday and that requires one of the first 2 names.

Not wild about Marvin Williams nor his schedule.
Brings me 2 Bynum,it would give me a C for 2 days longer than Howard. But I dont really think that is the smartest thing to do.

Could always hold Gay but I think that is not a good plan moneywise. And it tickles with that 60 mil laughing at me.

Thoughts?

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bd
ID: 31281917
Mon, Nov 26, 2007, 21:35

So far missing Kirelenko has only hurt the RV. Watching the Dallas game and so far Dirk off to a great start. (hope I didn't just jinx him).

I forgot that many of you were in Germany. My only European trip was to Munich during Octoberfest about 5 years ago. I thought it was gorgeous. Our German office is in the house originally owned by the inventor of the Diesel engine.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 05:54

Hello everyone,
were doing well, I think.

So far we have just 3 L. Williams-Owners, for all considering buying him today, I have a big Attention-Please:

Korver's expected back tonight
(see notes below)

For me today there are two options, and I would really apreciate your oppinon on this.

a) do nothing today, and reevaluate after wendnessday's games, who to sell in order to get kaman and or to upgrade Shawne Williams.
b) do something today in order to gain money. For example sell Howard and AK for Redd and Bogut, what would mean Kaman from bynum on 11/30, and the upgrade for Indy-Williams would be someone under 2.mio probably udrih on the same day.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 06:45

Dilo, all in all I'd vote for A.

I am in fact in favor of selling AK because it's well conceivable that people will have grown impatient by today already. Still, I didn't like AK in the first place (and I now know why ;)) so my opinion on him is very biased.

The main aspect I don't like in B is selling Howard today. It's true some managers who didn't like his constant 50s and 60s have bailed already, but with the four upcoming games for Orlando I think it's completely crazy to sell now. I mean SEA-PHO-LAL-GSW? Honestly, it doesn't get any better than that in terms of TSNP-friendly matchups so I fully expect monster outings from Dwight in these four. And for this expected abundance of TSNP, I'll gladly eat a few $$$ losses should single managers really try to find similar production elsewhere.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 07:16

Agree on holding Howard. The only way I think you could justify it is if it enable a meaningful upgrade of another underperforming player. Not sure Kiri should be that player. I remember last time everyone, myself included jumped ship early on him.

I have Kiri and I think it is way to premature to bail yet, as unhappy as I have been with him. I wouldn't view a Redd/Bogut ( just to use Dilo's example ) combo as any better than Howard/Kiri, maybe even a step backwards, even with an extra game over Kiri.

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deejay
ID: 21019276
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 07:30

A, dilo.
Selling Howard is not an option today.
As Soulman says the matchups are Lovely.

I have/had some money aside for Wright to Kiri tomorrow, seems I might need to reevaluate that move. So prolly will be looking at another player under 7mil, who is my guess though.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 13:25

Thank you all for your input.
At the moment with my four trades left, I like the more agressive aproach with AK/Howard to Redd/Bogut. They have excellent matchups too, and I think it will give me another money-push. Just have two trades to make, so barring any injuries I would start the next trading week with 8 trades and a team of
kobe, harris, udrih, brewer
redd, jax, james, moon
bogut, kaman
Does that sound that terrible? The only backdraft could be the points lost from 4 Howard and 3 Kiri games in comparison to 4 redd and 4 bogut games. And of course the two trades (but howard on the other side has to go for sure next week).

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 13:59

Dilo, quite frankly, I could see Kaman being a bigger loser today than Howard, staring at 3 days off. But you don't have Kaman.

Sounds like you've made your plan. I just don't see why the rush to sell Howard.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 14:19

#115
Dilo, be careful to not just make trades just because you have them. The question is: Are you so convinced that Bogut/Redd are the guys you really want, that you are fine sacrificing 3 Kiri and 4 probable monster games from Dwight plus spend two trades?

Sure, tonight these two trades will make money for you. But if Bogut and Redd don't perform well, the money gains will stall after that. And perhaps by spending two trades on going Bogut/Redd right now, you both trade- and moneywise could lock yourself out of guys that you really want when Orlando's schedule runs out. E.g. Boozer/Deron or some Hawks maybe? Just a thought.

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bd
ID: 01081412
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 14:41

I have Azubuike and .73 (so a total of 3.79). Both he and Barnes were reported to have tweaked their ankles last night. Az came off the bench but still had 24 minutes of playing time. Should I move him and if so, to who?
Don't have quite enough for M. Williams. Mil/Phil/Pho/Sea/ATL have nice schedules. L. Williams looks like a good candidate and IU don't have Brewer either. Should Korver returning worry me? Is it too late to get Brewer?

I could package Howard but then would need a center and I'm not high on Bogut. I plan on using Howard to get to Kaman or Boozer later, so would prefer not to do that.

Maybe I should just stand pat: "when in doubt..."

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 14:56

Tough call today. Azu was on a downward trend anyway and now that he could be limited with his ankle could even be more of a sell. Don't know whether his ankle will really be an issue though.

Brewer undoubtedly is the one reliable cheapie (alongside Moon) so far, so I'd say he's the best option. Despite Korver, I'm also high on Louis but as an Azu replacement, I like Brewer more.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 15:04

I wouldnt do it Dilo, i think you will be in for a big disappointment.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 15:05

Yeah, I hate to sell Howard right now, but I don't see me holding him for his last four either. And even if it's four, he's not holdable after that. You're right solulman it would really help to know how bogut and redd play today. There are two things I've learned on this forum:

-When in doubt do nothing
-High Risk, High Reward

I'm torn between the two.

@ bd
In your case I recomend going for brewer or packaging howard (for the money)

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 15:06

bd dont think it is too late for brewer, and the GF thingy is really useful.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 15:10

Bogut is bound to lay an egg, and Redd well I still dont really trust him. He seems to have escaped one-dimensionality, but still.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 16:50

Had to make a decision and did the redd/bogut thing.
Thanks for warning!

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Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 18:31

Current planned moves are Bynum to Kaman on Friday & Nelson-RJ on Saturday. I am currently .03 short to make these trades.

What do you think the chances are that I will be able to make these trades. I see Kaman losing quite a bit today but Nelson will probably take a hit as well. I don't exactly have a Plan B right now...

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 18:44

Sorry guys but I'm joining the Howard -> Bogut extravaganza.
Not only it solves the thin C situation but it also frees up the cash that I was desperately looking for to make a series of move in the coming days.

Usual, tough. I don't see your negative window becoming positive for these moves.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 18:52

RJ could lose some in the meantime though, that might help.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 18:54

#125
That's a tough question indeed. Bynum should remain steady, while Kaman/Nelson/RJ are bound to lose the next few days. So it's possible that the window turns to positive, but not sure of course. Anyway, sacrificing Nelson or Bynum games just to make a window is not the way to go I think, so in case you don't make the window, just wait and see what alternative to RJ there is on Saturday. Unlike Kaman, I don't see RJ as a must so I'm sure, possible alternatives could serve equally well.

#126
No problem Gescom, it's not like there is a team policy saying Howard must not be sold. ;) Each manager should do what they think is best for their team.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 19:13

Do you think Jaric is for real ? This guy has been disapointing since he joined the twolves and suddenly go nuts the last 2 games. Foye is not due back before at least 2 weeks so Jaric, even with reasonable expectations at 26-28 / g, could be a good option starting tomorrow.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 04:27

Hm, glad about the money, glad about redd, but bogut (hope he's out of gravity). So and now I will sit and watch Howard and AK torching me. ;-)

Oh and by the way maybe there will be no reason to waste a trade on Indy-Williams (have to reevaluate after the next two games).

Good Luck, everyone!

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 04:31

@ Gescom
Jaric, don't trust him that much. But for the price he's an option.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 05:08

#129
Gescom, I don't trust Jaric either. He's exactly the type of player who tricks you into buying him only to then disappear on the bench. Besides, a 6-in-13 over the next two weeks IMO by far isn't enough for a questionable option like him.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 05:44

So I will be needing a player today, I will have 6.6 mil (when I sell Wright).
This will be tough once more, again no one jumps out to me.
My team:
Baron,Harris,Brewer,Louis
Lebron,Jackson,Moon,6.6mil
Kaman,Howard

As said Kirilenko was the plan, but not gonna do that.
Is Al Harrington an option again?
Gives me a C for when I need to move Dwight, and that appears pretty soon.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 06:22

@ dj
I would say Grant Hill, and if it has to be a center Al Horford. Both Rock-Solid.
The other A.H. i would stay away of, like often read too many options and Don-Changealot as DJ.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 07:35

Thanks dilo, not wild about either, but they're defenitely an option. Of the 2 I seem to prefer Hill.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 5510262310
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 08:38

135

In order, I would take a look at Marbury, RJ and Sheed. Not crazy about Sheed but he gives you the Center flex. RJ is a great option but has a few days off to start and Marbury is the ultimate higher risk, higher reward pick.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 5510262310
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 08:39

133

In order, I would take a look at Marbury, RJ and Sheed. Not crazy about Sheed but he gives you the Center flex. RJ is a great option but has a few days off to start and Marbury is the ultimate higher risk, higher reward pick.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 09:01

I was actually looking at Marbury to be very honest.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 09:05

Sheed isnt he injured btw Usual, RJ is gonna take a big moneyhit, then I might as well wait and hold Antoine, and do AWright to RJef in a day or 2.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 09:46

Tough call deejay. Hate to fit a round peg in a square hole, and fill a spot for the sake of filling it.

Hill ( if he stays healthy, might be the safest option- there's a contradiction ).

I think Horford is worth looking at, gives you the flex to move Howard to any position, as your team is constructed you need a C.

Speaking of Howard, how many here are planning on getting him back on 12/10 or 12/12. He does have a nice 3 week schedule, although there are other attractive options around that time.

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deejay
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ID: 501182710
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 10:04

Yeah, it prolly will come down to Hill,Horford and Marbury today. Tough choice.
Keeping Wright is not really an option either.

As for Howard, Dave, I certainly plan to pick him up again, might even do a quick Howard-Amare-Howard. Not sure about that yet tho.
I also want to see how much he loses tonight.
Lebron is bound to have a similar treatment, a quick in and out.

Someone else Ive been looking at is Wade and his sked that goes through Xmas, his play hasnt really convinced me yet then again.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 16:49

140-
Sheed is expected to play tonight but I would still rather go Starbury. Hill is a solid option as well, provided he stays healthy

Rasheed Wallace-F/C- Pistons Nov. 28 - 3:33 am et

Pistons forward Rasheed Wallace (knee) and guard Richard Hamilton (flu) practiced Tuesday, and Flip Saunders said both should play Wednesday night.
Go ahead and get them in your lineup if you are in a daily league.
Source: Detroit Free Press
Related: Richard Hamilton

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deejay
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Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 17:51

Still really havent made my decision.
Thanks for the update on Sheed, Usual, but prefer to actually see him in a game first it seems.
Horford, I dont know with Zaza back. Plus I tend to stay way from rookies.
Leaves Marbury and Hill.
It could be cointime today. :)

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 17:57

if it's down to a coin flip, you could always ask yourself this:

"who didn't have sex with a new york knicks intern in the backseat of a car?"

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deejay
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ID: 501182710
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 18:03

darn qwert, thought you would come in with some advice. :)

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qwert
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Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 19:25

I think I actually like Marbury better deejay. Hill is probably safer, but I think Marbury could average about 35 for 3 weeks or so.

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deejay
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ID: 501182710
Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 19:28

The problem with Marbury is
1. gravity
2. then my guards are full, as in all(2 to be exact) GF at Forward.

I do admit I am tempted to actually pick a Knick up.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 05:01

And Hill drops a 14.0 lovely.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 08:30

Some observations:

1) Howard => Bogut yesterday. Granted the $ swings were there. But the end result is +6 points for Howard with a 3-2 game advantage left. Based on 15 day averages, the point loss should be around 75.

2) There has been talk in other threads of Howard to Kaman tonight. I hope there is a lesson learned. Howard holds the same 3-2 game advantage over Kaman.

3) Kudos to those who jumped on Louis Williams. Although it seemed like the bulk of his points came in garbage time, he still is putting up #'s to make his price and schedule very attractive.

4) Kiri :) Enough said. I remember how he was on most rosters at the season's beginning and was dropped by alot, including myself, after 4 straight games comparable to his recent run. He then turned it around and punished sellers with a 4 game stretch where he averaged over 50. Can we hope for the same, Fridays game could be pivotal with a less than dense stretch coming.

5) News of the day: Lebron. Left the game, did not return. I suspect everyone knows this by now, from a local paper:

The Cavaliers lost more than a game Wednesday night.

LeBron James suffered a sprained left index finger in the Cavs' 109-74 loss to the Detroit Pistons. He missed the second half, which turned lopsided as the team's four-game win streak ended.

X-rays taken at the Palace of Auburn Hills showed no fracture and James returned to the bench with his index and middle finger taped together in the second half.

James traveled with the team to Toronto following the game and he is expected to get additional X-rays and an MRI today in Toronto. That test will show if there is any structural damage to the finger.

The injury happened with 4:40 left in the second quarter when James was fouled by Pistons center Nazr Mohammed on a drive to the basket. Mohammed slapped at the ball as James was pulling it up to shoot and he suffered the sprain.

James made both free throws and finished the half but left the court holding the hand in discomfort. He also took an elbow to the face from Rasheed Wallace after suffering the injury.

He did not speak to the media after the game, but team officials said the initial diagnosis at the arena is that it was not serious and he'll be day-to-day.

Conventional wisdom would be to hold, and wait for news tomorrow. But conventional wisdom doesn't seem to apply to this game ( see #1 ). If a healthy Howard was a " sell " to protect money gains, what is a " day to day " Lebron? Expect losses in excess of 100K tonight. I suspect LBJ=> Kobe will be popular tonight as short term as it is.

So what are the plans for Team Soulman at this point with Howard and Lebron?

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turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 08:46

Tough situation today. I have both Howard and LeBron. I think howards good game yesterday and Lebrons injury news will help Howard not loosing too much money today (between 50 to 80k). I hope that new information on LeBron will come tonight so we can handle the situation better. When it's unclear if he plays tomorrow i will sell him today together with jameer nelson. But what are the options today? I am not thrilled with Baron Davis (moneywise), Nowitzki, Josh Smith, Nash, Amare, etc.

I will hold Kirilenko one more game. If he stinks i will trade him to Jefferon and maybe Howard to Kidd.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 08:47

As LeBron's injury makes him questionable or at best a gametime decision for the upcoming games, I'm going to cash in today. No point in suffering massive hits to find out he DNPs one or more games. As replacement, I like Baron/Kaman/Dirk best, and owning Baron/Kaman already, I'm practically decided to go LBJ>Dirk today.

Howard stays on my team until he is finished dropping 60s on the three upcoming dream opponents. There aren't any alternatives that would justify moving him, so I'm not in a hurry to pick up an emergency replacement which I don't want in the long run. I'll see what the landscape is like on Tuesday and will then take the best available option.

Especially with the unexpected LBJ trade and the obvious fact that players are now beginning to drop due to injury (as always in December), I think it's wise to hold on to healthy and performing players. It was pure greed which unnecessarily depleted my trade supply early (Haywood), so I won't be making that mistake again by selling Howard prematurely.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 08:56

turnabouts, I agree that the LBJ selloff will dampen whatever sells Howard might have. I also agree that while Baron would be a great replacement in terms of schedule and output, he has already gained too much $$$ to be the most attractive option. Kaman presumably also is on more teams than Dirk, which is why I think Dirk is the best option today.

JSmooth is always intriguing of course, but the Hawks have one less game than the Mavs within the next 2 weeks, so I prefer to go for schedule here. Similar issue with the Suns, their schedule is a bit too short for my taste at this time of season.

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deejay
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ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 08:59

defenitely holding Howard, Lebron that is another story.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 09:01

Soulman, other than the -100K plus you will lose tonight, why wouldn't you wait to see what the news is tomorrow before getting Dirk, since he doesn't play today?

I'd still take 4 Lebron games over 4 Dirk.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 09:37

Assuming that there won't be anything definitive on before gametime tomorrow, I guess today's hit on LBJ will rather be in the 150-180 range. It's not often that a player this expensive actually manages to make a full million, so I'd think most would want to cash in. Couple this with the gains that Dirk definitely will see today and I think we could be looking at a 300k swing only for tonight.

And if by tomorrow it's clear that LBJ will sit out, then the floodgates are completely open. If on the other hand tomorrow's news is that LBJ won't miss time, I would have preferred 4 LeBrons over 4 Dirks of course. But as not only I doubt that LBJ will be ready to go, but also as Dirk is a player I want anyway, I'm willing to take the risk by dropping LeBron and take the sure money in this case.

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JMISA
ID: 151050262
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 09:40

152 + 153

Yea im pretty committed on trading LBJ today as well as my RV has been stagnant for sometime and need to catch up money.

From the way i see it there are 3 viable options in Dirk / Baron / (gasp) Al Jefferson

I think Dirk is the best move as soulman says since not may people hold him..... also waiting a day can mean a 200k+ swing but the best part about dirk IMO is that his schedule allows him to go straight back into Lebron at 12/11 while gaining a game on BDavis

A reason why B Davis might be more attractive is because he plays tommorow while Dirk doesnt and like crack addicts I think alot of players like their tsnp upfront ... not to mention BDavis has been playing possessed for the last 2 weeks (which being a non davis holder has screwed me bad) and his schedule's elgibility surpasses dirks for a week but downsides are his high ownership and potentials for leaks which i think there will be after tommorrow's game given a 2 day break

Option C (Al jefferson) is viable too since it locks u in that Center everyone will need soon ... that means that whenever you wanna eventually sell D Howard u can do so for anyone else you feel like and not have to match up schedules for a Center.

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JMISA
ID: 151050262
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 09:48

at this point i think the way people should look at the LBJ/Howard situation is like this

would u prefer 4 (55 tsnp/gm) LBJ games or 4 (50 tsnp/gm) Howard games

this can be more pleasing to the eye then saying 4 (infinite tsnp) LBJ games to 4 (40 tsnp) Dirk games.

I say this because (everyone has both players and are contemplating trading both players) trading out of either one will save the same amount of money which can offset the losses caused by holding the other.

so basically its between 4 games of 50 tsnp Sure thing Howard or a 4 games of Day-Day infinite possbility tsnp LBJ.

I'm opting for the surer bet.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 09:57

Actually, it's 3 Howard games left but I know what you mean. And who says Howard is limited to 50 only against such favorable opponents? ;) I'm fully expecting infinite TSNP from him as well, so I also absolutely go with the sure bet. Even more so because my prediction is that the hit on LeBron will be far greater than the one on Howard.

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CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 10:20

157 Soulman
Totally agree....and I would add that it is mainly the Money that is going to make all of us pull the trigger. Late in the season then go ahead and take 200k away I would be after the 4 James over 4 Dirk's. But this early in the season means Mo Money.

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CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 10:23

What about James > Kobe?

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CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 10:31

Also What about KG seeing how he plays tonight. I bet James misses one game and is back for Boston on Sunday to show them again who is the king. Yao, Kobe, KG, Camby, and a NY crap player are all options till getting back into James for Sundays game?
Thoughts?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 10:34

and after that CJ ?
Move him again few days later?
That doesnt seem too smart to me.

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Dilo@work
ID: 1210591610
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 10:40

I'm gonna cash in too, and take the unexpected possibility to upgrade Shawne Williams. For sure i'll get Kaman. The other option is someone for about 9 millions. i've thought about the third Milwaukee force: Mo Williams (it seems right to have at least a williams on your team). I like his schedule ans production a lot, what I dont like is his gravity, but the again who cares about 30.000 a day, whan you lose in a week what le bron will lose today.

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Dilo@work
ID: 1210591610
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 10:41

By the way I would ba thankfull for alternatives to mo williams!

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 10:50

Marbury, dilo?
Since you seem to like gravity. :)

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Dilo@work
ID: 1210591610
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 10:57

:-)

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JMISA
ID: 151050262
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 11:18

DILO

9 Mill is a lot of money! alot of money to NOT think of mo williams haha.
Just going by schedule you got Detroit/utah/mil/toronto/gsw/minnesota/miami with the best scheds til new years

i'd say the best 9 mill options would be Al Jefferson like i said before because it locks u into a long term stable C (u will need a C for bynum soon) other good sub 9mill studs with schedules is Billups/Redd > andre iguadola if you are brave and if you really want a Willliams there is always Deron Williams too

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JMISA
ID: 151050262
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 11:22

its funny i was about to post about maybe Shaq might be an option at C since he been producing well lately and suddenly Scary Movie 4 came on tv with Shaq and Dr. Phil in the opneing scene

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 11:38

Lebron replacements, in no particular order:

Marion,Dirk,Amare,Kobe,Nash,Al Jef

Kobe is too short for my liking, and I have no surpluas in trades
Marion/Amare/Nash have a sweet sked, of the 3 I would say Marion, Amare has the C advantage though.
Al Jef, a Center so I dont necessarily need a C on tuesday. But Dwight to Al Jeff works wonderful too, so no hurry into him it seems.
Brings me to Dirk, porlly the most 'safe' option, but not that special either.

Am I missing someone?

Another fun day in injury paradise.

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 11:51

Boozer?

I still think the best replacement is Lebron himself. After the tear he's been on, isn't it worth losing 120K to see if he's playing tomorrow? Against the team that he just dropped a 90TSNP triple double against no less.

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deejay
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ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 12:19

Im not all that sure hes gonna play qwert, and wait, lose money and then get a DNP is no fun either.

Boozer is not the best plan either it seems...

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Blooki
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ID: 449292712
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 12:26

Sorry to intrude, but if your LBJ replacement doesn't play tonight doesn't it make sense to wait a day to see if LBJ is going to play tomorrow and then move?

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 12:31

deejay, is the 100-200K going to make you feel better if he plays tomorrow and goes off, when you don't have him or the trade you used?

As Blooki says, isn't it at least worth waiting to see if he plays, since the options you seem to be leaning towards don't play tonight?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 12:40

Well I dont know.
I just dont really see anyone that I like today, unless KG's 6in10.
Something tells me to move on.
But I do get your point(s)

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 13:34

Team I think I will do Lebron to KG today. KG then becomes Dwight on the ninth. Blooki stole my idea, sorry for that. haha.

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CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 14:01

deejay...what about those that have KG already?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 14:51

they will have to hold.

but theres always marbury or Zach Attack. :)

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Blooki
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ID: 449292712
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 14:56

...or Kobe. And I doubt anybody owns Lebron, Garnett and Kobe.

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deejay
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ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 14:59

Blooki your idea in the other gmd thread has 6KG vs 5Kobe plus 1Howard, correct?

Dont need to think long about that it seems.

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Blooki
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Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 15:04

I think there's clearly more money on the Kobe route.

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deejay
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ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 15:09

but then you get howard on the 6th, and thats just in a new week...
people stuck with dwight, and yes defenitely there will be some of those, will then sell him , when you want to buy, not sure thats wise, i can be wrong of course.

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Blooki
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ID: 449292712
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 15:12

I'm pretty sure Howard will be relatively safe on the 6th and if Wade strings together three 40+'s this week, wouldn't you like the option of getting him?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 15:17

on Wade I agree Blooki.
But if I get Wade that day then I will be tempted to keep him prolly(that sked goes right through Xmas), and then there is no way into Dwight it seems, who I feel is a must have.
Was gonna go Lebron to Wade on the 6th initially.
Now you make me doubt Blooki

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CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 15:18

182
I agree...I went James > Kobe x2 (I had Brewer at G). Then my other team I had no G/F in the guard spot so I went to Jackson GS.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 17:05

#174/175
The main factor in my decision to drop LBJ today is that the replacement is a player I want anyway (Dirk). If that wasn't the case I would at least think about holding LBJ. But not in this constellation. Also, Skip to my Lou has pointed out correctly that we're not talking about dropping a player who would have been a long term hold. Lebrons injury just moved up the sell date to a more opportune moment a few days earlier. So I think the equation comes down to the following:

- Even the most persistent holder can't plan to hold Lebron for more than the next four games. So assuming Lebron makes it back to the court, we're talking about 4 Lebrons vs 4 Dirks.
- Let's also assume Lebron is so pumped by painkillers or whatever medication that he continues to go nuts and averages, say 70 over the next four. Yes, I know that is exaggerated by I do it deliberately for this scenario.
- To get back to earth again, let's simply say Dirk continues his season average of 40 on the next 4.

Going by these assumptions, that would give LBJ a 120 TSNP edge over Dirk in the next 4. And you might have noticed that for this scenario I tipped the scales heavily in favor of Lebron (by assuming that he averages 70, and more importantly, that he even suits up!). So it's very doubtful whether this TSNP edge would become reality at all.

On the other hand, tonight plus tomorrow will at least make for a 460k swing (I estimate 320 today and 140 more tomorrow if LBJ plays - much more if he doesn't). So the choice would be either a questionable 120 TSNP edge for LBJ or a sure 460k edge for Dirk. Later in the season I might opt for the questionable TSNP edge. This early in the season I opt for the sure money.

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bd
Sustainer
ID: 102112811
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 17:32

I already have Dirk so here are my options... any feedback appreciated:
A) James--> KG
B) James/Bogans --> Kaman/Marbury
C) James --> Kobe

I plan on going Bogan --> L. Williams as well.

I'll then need to look at centers for Howard/Bynum.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 17:38

Tough choice bd, Bogans is gonna keep bleeding so I would say B bd.
Of course it gives you Mar(s)bury. Are there alternatives to him?

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 17:39

#18
Absolutely Kaman. But I don't like Marbury. However, I saw you have enough money to go LBJ + Bogans > Kaman + Marion/Stoudemire. And no surprise I would prefer either Sun over Ihavedirtonmycoachbury.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 17:46

I am going away on a cruise tomorrow afternoon and returning the morning of Monday, Dec 10. I have access to the internet on the cruise and thought of taking care of my teams myself, but on second thought, with all the sure injuries that will hit soon :( I was wondering if someone wouldn't mind taking care of my teams. I have three teams but they are all identical.

As far as Lebron goes for me, I am leaning towards going Lebron-KG, otherwise I would like to hold and see if he plays.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 17:55

So, went LeBron/Shawne Williams to Kaman/Marion. Done with trading this week.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 18:00

@ bd
Kaman is a must get, not so sure about Marburymeonthebench. But don't think Williams will produce like that to many times, his minutes are down to twenty already. So why not Marbury for Bogans sounds like an upgrade!

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Skip To My Lou
ID: 538101711
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 18:05

Soulman:

Just migrated over here and read your version of the post -- uncanny! I think it's these type of inflection points that I enjoy most about this game; it's truly a fork in the road that you don't get in roto, and everyone is confronted with essentially the same choice.

This is my first season playing TSN after 4 years away and I was just reading your GMD Team thread here. This looks like it's a blast. Would definitely like to participate next season.

Anyways, best of luck to you and your team.

Skip

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 18:31

Made my decision.
Lebron > KG for me.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 18:54

If I move Lebron, I'm getting Camby. Makes life much simpler when trading Howard end of the week as I needed a Center.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 18:54

And I won't feel so guilty about trading to a player not playing tonight.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 19:18

Just catching up on everything after a awful work day.

Lebron is a sell for me. Already have Kobe, don't have apetite for Suns, KG, Camby or Baron for various reasons.
So I think I'm going Lebron, Sh.Williams to Dirk and Kaman. I'll have to rethink the Biedrins -> Kaman scheduled for tomorrow but well tomorrow is another day. May go to Mo Williams or just keep Biedrins if he performs well tonight. They really need to do something at the NBA. Way too many Williams.

@ Dave; let's wait 12/04 to settle the Howard / Bogut count. In November, I'll gladly take a 75 tsnp hit for a 600k+ swap.

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bd
Sustainer
ID: 102112811
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 19:30

Thanks for the help guys. The option I liked the least involved Kaman but seems to be the consensus that he is the must have player. I figured to go to him from Howard when Howard's schedule dried up...sounds like that would be too late for any $$, which I desperately need.
Soulman, the problem with Phoenix guys is that I don't have enough guards and can't afford Nash if I get Kaman. So it will be Kaman and Marbury tonight.
Then will look at Howard and Bynum later.
Good Luck everyone.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 19:32

I like being post #200

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turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 20:52

I made a mistake with the undo function and so i have to go with Nash as my LeBron replacement.

I have thought very long about trading nelson to jaric but i didn't do it. I will lose much money on nelson but i will wait the friday outcome of Kirilenko and nelson. If both are going to play poorly i will trade them to Kidd and maybe Jaric. If Kirilenko bounces back i will hold him and only move nelson to RJeff (thanks to my Nash trade which shifted SJax to forward). What do you think of this plan?

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bd
Sustainer
ID: 102112811
Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 21:46

I wasn't thrilled with picking up Marbury and am already having buyer's remorse. He has 3.5 TSNP and their team is down 65 - 31.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 07:49

#201
ta, that sounds a good plan and I'm glad you didn't pick up Jaric. If memory serves me right, he has never failed to disappoint his buyers. And I don't think it will be any different this time. Waiting for tonight's outcome is the way to go I think. RJeff wouldn't be the replacement I chose tomorrow (I like Sheed or even *yikes* Dice better), but I might be wrong of course. Just a thought.

#202
bd, I guess your buyer's remorse hasn't remedied since Suckbury managed to even further reduce his paltry output after you posted. Sorry that my warning in #190 obviously wasn't loud enough to convince you to keep away from him. :(

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bd
ID: 31281917
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 08:06

Soulman, I would have liked to go with Marion or Stoudemire, but I had to fill a guard spot. On top of only getting 2.5 pts, Marbury also lost $$.
Wasn't there an award a few years ago for making bad trades??? Art Glover award or something?? I nominate myself.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 08:14

Yeah, I understood about your need to get a Guard (which was a pity of course), but still I wouldn't have chosen Marbury in any case. Rather perhaps Redd or so. That's what I meant by my not warning loud enough.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 08:20

Ouch BD.

Wow, 8 Lebron dumps for team Soulman. With no clear picture early today as to whether he plays tonight, seems like it was the smart move. Inspite of less than stellar performance by popular replacements ( KG, Camby ), with Dirk yet to be determined.

Lebron is officially a game time decision as expected, with the possibility for the Cavs to err on the side of caution.

The team is listing him as ''day to day'' and calling him a game-time decision for tonight's road game against the Toronto Raptors. The Cavs are expected to show extreme caution with their superstar.

This is an injury that could linger with James for the next couple of months.

I moved LBJ to Camby as it let me slide Howard into a F slot. Originally I was going to go Howard => Amare=> Howard but felt Amare was a DNP waiting to happen with the dense schedule. So I guess somehow it works out.

Still holding Kiri and keeping my fingers crossed he can bust out tonight. Only three of us own him and Usual Suspects and I are down to 3 trades, with Howard looming. So a big game couldn't come at a better time. I have no clue what to do with him if he tanks again.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 08:24

Hmmm, as I hit the " Post Now " button, I couldn't help think that I was concerned about Amare being a DNP waiting to happen, so I got Camby ;) How contradictory is that?

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 08:29

Too funny, I thought exactly the same when I read your post, Dave. Already was wondering whether you know a different Camby than we do? ;)

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 08:31

Or perhaps you used your connections to phone Cotton Camby and he personally assured you that he won't get hurt this year... :)

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 11:55

I'm pretty set on upgrading Daniels to D.Williams on Sunday which means downgrading Biedrins to X today.
X options are thin however and need to be around or under 3.3 mil.
I'm looking at Jaric and Dice essentially. I feel it's too late for L.Wiliams and his sell date falls into a very heavy trade need period for my team anyway.
I'm leaning towards Jaric at the moment but am really not thrilled. Any team opinion or other suggestion ?
Thanks

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 12:12

I would roll the dice (literally)!

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 12:39

tough choice Gescom, Jaric has that GF thingy, but McDyess seems the safest bet of the two. And Detroit's schedule is long.

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turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 11:03

Waiting one day was a good decision despite nelson played porly. And so did Z. But now i can package both and keep AK-47. I can go Nelson/Z to Kidd/McDyess. Not bad but i don't need a forward. I am in need of a guard and i like udrih. His schedule is not great but in the next 19 days he have only one less game than Dice. What do you think about udrih today?

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turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 12:46

Have to make a decision and will go nelson/Z to Kidd/mcdyess.

Next moves are:

D. Howard to Al Jefferson on 10/04
Kidd to D. Howard on 12/10
Nash/McDyess to LeBron and a cheapie guard on 12/13

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 17:59

Sorry, I didn't respond earlier. Kidd/Dice and your planned moves look good. Glad you didn't go for Udrih, don't like him at all and I like Sacto's schedule even less.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 18:34

looks good turnabouts.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 19:46

Complete last minute change of plan.
Went Kobe - Kidd with the intention of going Daniels - Baron tomorrow. So now be prepared to have Baron suffering season ending injury tomorrow.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 05:40

So my move Howard/Kiri to bogut/redd was a disater when you look at the points 240,5 to 216 (I bought a 4 game losing-strech from milwaukee), on the other hand it gave me a million-dollar-swing.

I'm not willing to lose the only good thing about the trades today (ligt trading day/two days off for milwaukee), so I cheked if I can afford (trades) to ged rid of the bucks to save me some bucks.
If there's no major injury-bug (2 injuries per week), I should do fine. So I will move them to Baron Davis and Richard Jefferson today.

Yes, Dave, DJ, Soulman and all the other warners: "I would be glad to still own Howard and Kirilenko until now!"

But no risk no fun ;-)

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 09:23

Marbury expected to play bd...

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bd
ID: 31281917
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 10:34

Hopefully Marbury will not just play, but put up a great game. He never escaped gravity and this will probably be his last game on my squad as he'll probably become Kiri tomorrow.

I'm worried about a big Dirk sell off today and am looking at either Baron or Marion.
I also worry about a sell off for Harris as well. The best alternative I see for him is S. Jackson and I already have him. So right now he looks like a reluctant hold for me. Any suggestions? I could go to Kiri from him today instead of to him from Marbury tomorrow, then I would look for a marbury replacement tomorrow.

Dirk --> either Baron or Marion.
Marbury --> Kirilenko
(to get Kiri from either Harris or Marbury I would need to go Baron instead of Marion)

Does anyone have Kurt Thomas (sea) on their radar? Center eligible ... recent games of 25, 34 and 33 at 2.46Mil. he has 18, 14 and 13 rebounds in those games. I'm looking for a Bynum replacement and am not convinced Holford is the answer.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 10:36

Im considering Harris to Kirilenko today, but thats not certain at all, might just hold Harris.
Hes still (one of) the best option(s) in his range.

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 11:07

*intruder*

bd...have you looked at jeff foster?

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Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 11:10

Hey team,

I have access to the internet for about a half hour. Thinking of going Antonio Daniels-Calderon today. With AD recent subpar production, I am scared he will lose a lot of money. I also think that Calderon could keep the starting job for a while, putting up around 30 a game in 30 or so minutes. I don't want to buy into him if he's going right back to the bench shortly. Thoughts on this trade?

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bd
ID: 31281917
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 11:28

US - with 3 days off Daniels will lose a lot and Calderon has been very good lately and it sounds like he's earned a lot more playing time. Sounds good.

I went Dirk to Baron. I almost went Harris to Hill this AM but realized if I do this and Marbury to Kirilenko tomorrow, it would leave me tradeless and Howard needs to go Tuesday.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 11:32

Deejay, why would you trade Harris? You have 2 trades and one must be earmarked for Howard in a couple days.

I don't hold much hope that Louis will not become a " sell " very soon. Harris seems to be the least of your problems.

I have to deal with Daniels today. To fit in with future plans of getting LBJ/Howard/ Boozer, he needs to be moved to a comparably priced G. Calderon fits now with an 80K cushion. LBJ/Howard losses + Marion gains hopefully would make it all work. But very close, and I'm not sure I want to risk it. Plus I'm not suer how much longer Claderon holds the starting gig with Ford back.

The other options would be to buy into Beno's 1-5, figuring after that he should start seeing significant gains, or Wright.

Or scrap getting Boozer and refigure everything.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 11:40

Agreed Dave, gonna hold my horses :)

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 13:22

US - the three days off alone would make Daniels the top loser today. Pair that with his recent subpar production and I think he is a must sell. I like Calderon despite Ford so I think Daniels>Calderon is a very good move today.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 04:41

KG was my worst player last night.
That surely never happened to me before.
And hes not making me any money either.
Tempted to get Kirilenko from him today.
Feel free to talk me out of it.

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turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 07:00

220

Back on track!

231

Go for it!

@all:

What do you think will Howard loose today?
Is there any love for Dalembert?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 07:23

232

No love from me for Dalembert, been there.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 07:36

turnabouts, hadn't really considered Sammy either.

As far as Dwight's losses today, it would normally be hard to imagine anyone who has held this far, selling today, and admittedly I was surprised by his +30K last night ( I guess there are those who get more trades than I do ). I suppose his, for him, subpar performance last night didn't help and I would expect a huge game from him tonight vs. GSW, especially since I moved him Saturday for Kidd.

Other than possibly Boozer or Kiri, I don't really see a Howard exodus today, although those salivating for one of the Jazz may go that route.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 09:34

#231
Do it deejay, KG has done absolutely nothing that would warrant holding him through that spotty schedule.

#232
Can't imagine Howard losing all that much today. Celtics, Hornets and any Washington leftovers should dominate the losers list tonight. Regarding Sammy, I see why you consider him but somehow I don't have a good feeling about him.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 09:56

Thanks guys.
its a go then unless Boozer plays, then it might be him instead. Need to think that over, which one I like the most. Prolly that will be Kirilenko anyway, puts 8mil in the bank tho, which I have no immediate plans for.
Tomorrow Howard prolly becomes Amare.
Since I need a C.
Other name I was looking at is Sheed. That would put 13mil on the bank. :)

238

bd
ID: 01081412
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 12:01

Marbury to Kirilenko today for me.
Howard to a center tomorrow, probably Amare.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Dec 03, 2007, 13:54

#194
Skip, GMD is definitely a blast and I highly recommend joining next year. Thanks for your wishes and good luck to you also, I see in the Gurupie standings you're kicking some serious butt even after your four year absence! :)

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 05:01

Well, is it once more time to take the money and run?
The top loser today is certainly Howard, but we have 7 out of 8 Harris owners. I'm thinking about taking the million and going on to a)Calderon.
Other options are b) holding,
c) Grant Hill
d) McDyess
e) Horford

Personally, I like Calderon best, because of the schedule (holdable till X-Mas), but the again there's Ford lurking to get his share of minutes.
What will you do?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 05:22

With all these things happening while I was asleep, I might skip Phoenix today.
I have only one trade, which will be used on Dwight.
Louis/Harris will be taken care of at refresh.

Looking at Sheed today. Would put 13mil away...
Louis might become Calderon tomorrow and if Harris sits then I will need to get back to the drawing board.

Dilo: Personally like Calderon/Hill the best i think.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 05:23

Yeah, Harris situation is a bit worrying.
If we have definite news today he's ok and will play Wednesday, I'm inclined to hold.
In all other cases, I think I'm dumping him.
Now for replacement options in same price range, that's another story.

- Calderon: Top option on paper, producing like nuts with TJ sidelined, holdable till Xmas. The thing is when TJ comes back full speed, which can be any day, I expect Jose to get back to his season average of 28 or so, causing disapointment among masses and early sell-off. While I think 28 would still be ok with this schedule, the $$$ downside potential worries me.

- Hill: Too short schedule for my taste, with exit dates of 12/11 and 12/13 being on light trading days meaning heavy losses.

- McDyess: Certainly a good option. He will not get 2 fouls in the first 6 minutes every night like his last 2 games. Very good schedule but ... I have him already so not an option for me.

- Hortford: Very consistent but short schedule with exit date potentially coming as soon as 12/12

So I'm leaning towards Jose as well if no good news from Harris today.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 07:17

If you are unsure what the column header means, hover over it with your mouse.
A pop up will display a longer definition of the header.

GURUPATRON BONUS MATERIAL
The following columns are sartible and reverse sartible.
Click on the column header once for the default sort order.
Click a second time for the reverse sort order.

Rank	GurupieName	LSWP0	LSWP	LSWP5	WWR	FV	Cash	RV	FVC	Trades
1	deejay-168	2709.5	226	2709.5	87	62.85	8.15	54.70	0.68	1
2	turnabouts-1495	2696.5	184	2696.5	15	62.27	0.48	61.79	0.54	3
3	Dave R-4326	2678.5	122	2678.5	653	63.56	5.28	58.28	0.55	1
4	Usual Suspects-1857	2652.5	232	2652.5	10	60.55	0.10	60.45	0.33	2
5	Soulman-786	2593	233	2593	145	61.96	4.24	57.72	0.47	4
6	BD-1544	2580	243.5	2580	259	57.09	2.82	54.27	0.52	1
7	Dilo-1633	2578.5	122.5	2578.5	70	63.34	0.39	62.95	0.30	2
8	Gescom-1851	2526.5	154.5	2526.5	171	63.06	0.21	62.85	0.46	1

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 08:55

Blah, a day of reckoning. Some expected ( Howard ) , some not ( Louis, Devin) . Why are the laws of TSN, such that widely owned players always seem to get hurt, or suck on a Monday, the day before supposedly a light trading day, or a Tuesday when trades refresh?

-Howard- We still have 5. My early exodus to Kidd turned out OK, a loss of 7 points, I believe, but a little extra coin. But not as much as I thought. Better than some early moves. Howard to a Sun will no doubt be popular with a return for Howard's game on 12/10. For those needing a C going with Amare, and short on trades, budget carefully as getting stuck holding Amare could be costly. It might be wiser to find an alterantive option.

-Louis- We have 3. Last nights stinker doesn't bode well, especially with Beno looming. Beno's schedule is good for a couple weeks, and quite frankly, for his price, if he keeps performing, he possibly can be held beyond Christmas. There is an ugly sea of red there, but it's also around the holidays where there are a lot of red schedules. At some point the cheapie shuffle has to end.

-Devin- We have 7. Great, another day to day player. Up around $1 mill. Didn't need this to happen now, I was hoping he could last until the end of the week. His last game was crappy as well. At this point I intend to sell him, unless something definite comes out today. And that might not be enough to stop a sell off. Calderon will be a likely replacement for many. I'm concerned that Ford is looming, although last nights DNP doesn't seem to indicate he is ready for prime time.

Any other options jumping out at anyone?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 09:06

I have only one trade and all three of course.
I need to see what im gonna do.
And yes I agree Dave skipping Phoenix is defenitely a plan if low on trades. As do I.

247

turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 09:30

245

Another louis williams replacement is telfair. And another Devin Harris replacemet is Monta Ellis.

I need more center alternatives than Stoudemire and Al Jefferson. Al Horford looks good. 9 games in 16 days, 7 at home where he plays better. Brad Miller looking good to... but is he the old Brad Miller? And Sheed must play more minutes....

Other Options?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 09:36

That sums it about up turnabouts.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 13:58

Am I crazy to consider holding Dwight?

Two days heavy bleeding, but then the only way is up again, with as matchup, the running/no D Pacers. I can see people picking dwight on thursday, no doubt.
And Harris/Louis have no more upside whatsoever.

Instead I would do one out of Louis/Harris to Marion, and tomorrow the other one to Calderon prolly.
Marion would then become Lebron on 12/11.

I dont really like any construction I came up with so far.
Plus I am not wild ... at all, about the other C options, ie Sheed/Horford who could have to go on 12 and 13 december possibly again.

Only Howard to Amare, I dont dislike, but thats the most risky way(as in uses most trades with only one security trade aside the following week)

Id give a kidney for one or 2 trades right now.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 14:08

That's not an awful idea DJ. At least with Howard you will want him back, baring anything unforseen. Can't say the same necessarily about Harris and Louis.

251

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 14:17

deejay, it's about swallowing 2 days of 200k+ losses and missing the points of his replacement of course. Doesn't sound completely crazy but comes at a heavy cost for the very least.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 14:20

Yes that was my thinking indeed Dave.
Any other construction costs me 1 or 2 trades more and has me picking up dwight on thursday anyway, if I want to keep my way to Lebron open that is.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 14:21

Well, he's gonna swallow losses from whoever, so pick your poison.

254

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 14:25

gescom,

Louis/Harris will also be swallowing losses, with the difference I dont want them back.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 14:30

Agreed. Just highlighted what keeping Howard means.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 14:54

I know Gescom, it defenitely has a downside, but so does keeping both Lou/Devin.
As Dave said pick your poison.

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bd
ID: 01081412
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 17:22

Good luck in the next TP guys -- I'm going to keep checking in. My RV hurt and my Marbury pick-up really backfired.
I went Howard to Marion today. It leaves me tradeless until tonight.
Next week I have Bynum that has to go for a Center and will have to keep an eye on the Devin Harris situation. Make sure Dr. D watches the Dallas Pre-game show to keep you informed on Devin. Other than those two I don't see anyone else that must go.
Good Luck guys.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 17:22

deejay, a kidney for a trade or two sounds like a good deal, and I'd gladly help you with any of my four trades. Only I then would have too few trades to deal with all my own sells today while having a third kidney. Doesn't really make sense either... ;)

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 17:24

On a more serious note, the blessing of havin 4 trades on such a day also is a curse. Too many options available. Howard must be sold and I'm very much leaning towards dropping Harris and Louis also. While doing so I could also try to upgrade Diop (although that is optional, he isn't a must sell). Meaning I could do everything from 1-4 trades. These are the possible moves:

A) Howard > Kidd/Marion/Josh/Redd/Boozer/Deron/Kirilenko
B) Harris > Calderon/Ellis
C) Louis > Udrih/Telfair
D) Diop > Horford/Rasheed/Stoud/Bogut/AlJeff/Biedrins

I know this is a vast range of options which is why I need a team vote: Please choose whehter you would do A/B/C/D and for each trade what your preferred target would be. Right now I'm leaning towards doing all 4 with

A) Howard>Marion
B) Harris>Calderon
C) Louis>Udrih
D) Diop>??? (Any of the above listed Cs, but completely undecided here...)

Sorry for the long post, your vote would be appreciated!

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 17:35

Agree on A,B,C

As far as a Center, don't like Sheed, Bogut, and Amare is short term. So Jefferson or Biedrins.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 17:37

I like your choices Soulman, im jealous now and will go sit under a rock :)

Still undecided myself... tho im leaning towards the risky road, that looks like this:
today Howard to Amare
tomorrow either Louis or Harris to Calderon
next day the remaining one of those 2 back to Howard. Unless Harris plays, then its defenitely Lou to Calderon and Harris to Howard on friday.

To continue Soulman, D depends on how lucky you feel I guess, if money is no issue, and neither are trades, then I would say Amare.
But maybe you find Marion/Amare too much, then Boozer/Amare looks a nice alternative.

262

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 17:49

259

It's difficult to say because i don't know which players do you want in one week. With Howard, LeBron, Boozer, Tinsley etc. around the corner you probably want to save trades and money.

A) Howard - Boozer (so you have him already and you must not find difficult ways to get him)
B) + C) Harris/ Louis - I am myself undecided with the 4 guards you mentioned; I tend to pick Udrih - he is a starter for sure and i can bank money
D) I don't like Diop and some centers are a good upgrade. But don't go Bogut (ask Dilo) and Biedrins (ask Don Nelson before).

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 18:05

My plan is crazy so please tell me that i have to do it in another way.

Today

Harris - Udrih
Howard - Stoudemire

next week

Kidd - D. Howard
Nash - Tinsley
Stoudemire - Boozer
McDyess - LeBron

That leaves me with one trade on the last day of next week but i have a team which i like a lot. What do you think?

264

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 18:13

turnabouts, your plan isn't crazy at all. In fact I think it's great! Do it exactly as mapped out.

265

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 18:18

Soulman

A) Really depends who are your ins back into Lebron and Howard. If Marion is you way back to Lebron or Howard on 12/11, agree he's the way to go.

B) and C) Agree

D) Didn't even realized we were having a Diop owner ;-) He has to go IMO. 16 tsnp for 4m is not enough. Replacement depends: Till when do you theoritically need to ride this C ?
- For a one week hold, Stoud is perfect but has to go on 12/11.
- For a two week hold and beyond, Jefferson or Hortford would have my preference. Don't quite understand the love for Sheed and Biedrins is really frustrating to own as you never know what to expect with Nellie's ever changing rotations. That leaves Bogut. Yeeahh ! Bogut ! For a cheaper one week hold option, he can do the trick with his 5-in-7 but don't lock further. This is coming from an ABBOF member (Anonymous Bogut and Biedrins Owner Foundation).

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 18:20

I surrender.
Howard to Amare for me today.

267

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 18:26

266

I will do the same. I think your plan mentioned in 261 is a good one.

264

Thanks. Hope it pans out. Let's hope LeBron will play next week.

268

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 18:29

thanks turnabouts, exactly what ill be doing.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 18:40

263
AWESOME

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 18:40

Thanks for all your feedback guys, that was very helpful for me. I will go Howard/Harris/Louis to Marion/Calderon/Udrih as suggested, and upgrade Diop to Amare. My in to Howard would then be either Marion, Amare or Dirk on 12/9. The other two could then turn into LBJ, Booz, AlJeff, TinMan, AK47 etc. on 12/11.

By already earmarking all but one trade for an upcoming week, that's far more aggressive than what usually my style of play is, but sometimes you've got to try to make a push. Let's hope this doesn't come to haunt me. And if you think it will, please feel free to talk me out of it within the next 15 minutes. ;)

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 20:20

So with the news that Devin Harris will play tomorrow i think i keep him and eat the money losses.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 20:22

oh that is wonderful news

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 20:23

Yeah, I'm contemplating the same.

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