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| Posted by: Headless Gunners
- [19282419] Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 13:48
One of the things that have really changed over the last 2 or 3 years is how we deal with the cheapie.
Used to be a long time hold to save trades for the big pointers.
Now it's money, money, money...Louis Williams, what will we do ? |
| | | 1 | jedman
Dude
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 14:08
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He becomes Kirilenko tomorrow for me.
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| | | 2 | Headless Gunners
ID: 19282419
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 14:24
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nice if you've got a spare 5 mill or so lying around.
Of course if you just traded AK, whoops !
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| | | 3 | Blooki
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 14:28
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I've had Kirilenko for every game of the season EXCEPT last night's... :(
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| | | 4 | Headless Gunners
ID: 19282419
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 14:33
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Yup, traded before last night as well
targeted Bynum all along but changed at last minute...So it goes
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| | | 5 | JMISA
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 15:14
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i havent touched my team in awhile and im making all my trades today
I'm planning on
Kobe > Rasheed
A Blatche > Jefferson
L Williams > S Jax
the only problem is that its preferable to go L williams > S Jax tommorrow and get the Williams game tonight but then if i do that i only have a 30 k window meaning im more then likely to get screwed over (because L Williams will no doubt be a top loser tonight) so i would have to forfeit the L williams game
What i can do is go with the herd and trade Howard > Kidd tonight and get the cash available to keep L williams for one more game (since s jax doesnt play till tommorrow) not to mention save 300k probably in swings from Howard leaks
Pros: 2 Howard games is def better then 2 Kidd games but i calculate the free L William game + 2 Kidd games is probably better 2 Howard games.
Cons: Howard plays GSW 12/3 which always means a big night for studs.
Do u guys think its worth it? (I was initally going to hold Howard til the 4th)
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| | | 6 | qwert
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 15:26
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your plan doesn't mention when you're trading Howard and for who...and I think you are overstating L. Williams' losses. I think most people will watch his game tonight before making any decisions. He only had one bad game after all.
I expect Howard will be the top loser or close to it, because of Howard to Kidd trades.
If I were you, I wouldn't trade Kobe, if it means going tradeless on saturday and I wouldn't be so quick to dump williams either.
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| | | 7 | deejay
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 15:55
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What is this need to move Louis today I wonder?
It is pretty premature if you ask me.
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| | | 8 | JMISA
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 15:59
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qwert Howard is going to go for Kidd (i mentioned that up top)
i don't know how much l williams will lose but i onyl have a 30k window which means i'd hafta sell him today if i were to complete my rotation unless i made that Howard>Kidd move make a bigger window.
Kobe/Howard HAS to go in order for me to upgrade Blatche to a suitable player (Jefferson in this case) .... a main reason for ridding Kobe early is
1. He hasn't been producing well
2. His price can only go down from here
3. There are better routes out today then there will be on 12/6 after his B2B
4. (and most important) Trading Howard and holding Kobe would leave me centerless.
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| | | 9 | Allwell
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 16:05
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Im with qwert and deejay, Why trade williams today? All cheapies have bad nights, but he has been real good so far...
Today's best move is kobe-kidd. And Howard is going to punish all who sold early.
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| | | 10 | JMISA
ID: 21056316
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 16:06
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qwert : u made good point though in the other thread about Kidd's opponents i think i'll jus keep howard and lose the willaims game
Deejay: i'm usually a holder and i would keep williams but then (with the trades im making) i would have 5 mill unused in the bank that i could either have sit there for a week or upgrade williams > S Jax
the extra cash could be handy for maneuvering space next week but i'd also hate to go so long with unused $$$
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| | | 11 | deejay
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 16:10
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its your team, but i dont like throwing games away.
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| | | 12 | Qwerty123
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 16:16
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An occasional bad game is expected for cheapies like Williams. If he weren't playing today I'd be a little more concerned about those with itchy trade fingers selling, but he plays today. It's definitely worth seeing how he does tonight before making a decision on him. It would suck to sell only to see him rebound tonight when his schedule is fantastic for 2 weeks still.
Remember his 6 games prior to yesterday: 30, 22, 22.5, 23.5, 31.5, and 33. If you trade tonight, you're just handcuffing yourself later when other more deserving guys need to be sold.
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| | | 13 | JMISA
ID: 21056316
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 16:21
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yea i kno i picked him up real early at .62 mill with intentions of the 3 week hold (even when yehosh brought up the korver issue) but the way my team unfolded at this point its basically jus deciding whether i'd rather have him or S jax.
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| | | 14 | qwert
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 16:30
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I don't see the need to trade Blatche or Williams today.
Granted, Blatche should probably go tomorrow, but trading two players who play, one of whom has been very good for his price until last night, is not ideal in my opinion.
And even Kobe has averaged 44/game over his last 4...which isn't amazing, but it's not must move territory.
If I were you, I would sit tight...or explore just trading Kobe and waiting to see what you want to do with the extra cash. If haywood gets injured tonight, Blatche could become a hold...if Williams has a solid game, he has a great schedule ahead.
Just my opinion.
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| | | 15 | qwert
Donor
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 16:31
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13,
it might seem like that now...but holding cash for a few days is far from a disaster...it makes your next trade a lot easier, when you might be forced to make a trade.
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| | | 16 | Headless Gunners
ID: 19282419
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 16:54
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By the way, when I started this thread, I never really thought of the trade Louis TODAY ideas.
It was always about the watch and see and then move.
Live and learn I guess
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| | | 17 | JMISA
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 17:06
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well the real point of any of these moves i proposed is jus to get a center .... if anyone has any good options to go Center i would re evaulate everything but getting rasheed today seems like the only good option .... unless i jus wait to get AL jefferson prematurely on 12/4
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| | | 18 | JMISA
ID: 21056316
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 17:08
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the only other C option is horford on the 3rd but i hate getting rookies too and the schedule dries up really quick ( NJ C sean williams is not an option i wanna go into nor is Harrington)
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| | | 19 | Qwerty123
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 17:17
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A lot of people will probably be moving Howard to Stoudemire on Tuesday. That's another option for you.
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| | | 20 | deejay
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 17:18
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Naming a thread like this is a bit asking for it , imho. Especially after a 9.5.
Thank god its here and not on tsn.
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| | | 21 | qwert
Donor
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 17:20
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why is jefferson premature on the 12/4?
no rookies, eh? who are you selling moon for? ;)
JMISA, don't want to talk you out of your plan if it's one you're comfortable with and works for your team. I just get nervous when people talk about making a whole bunch of trades, because I know twenty minutes into the first games of the night they often wish they had only made the trades they really had to make.
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| | | 22 | JMISA
ID: 21056316
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 17:23
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yea moving howard to amare and then back to him at 12/10 or 12/12 is very convenient and would settle the C problem for alot of people i havent been to keen on Amare though
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| | | 23 | JMISA
ID: 21056316
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 17:26
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21: I guess it isn't soo premature but the best pickup time for minnesota is 12/11 if u buy @ 12/4 your tradining into a 3 in 7 ... the upsides of course is that its a smooth transaction from C to C and minnesota's scedule is perfect after that throughout the holidays ... but thats also if you plan to lock up 9 mill into AL jefferson for that long probably also means not being able to afford the move back to Howard as well
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| | | 24 | JMISA
ID: 21056316
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 17:31
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haha well i'll stop talkin bout this it just sounds like im whining now btw headless gunners I hadn;t even noticed the name of the thread until you mentioned it haha
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| | | 25 | Headless Gunners
ID: 19282419
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 17:37
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JIMSA - Sort of on a roll with action titles
Got a good one for tomorrow
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| | | 26 | Maineac
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 17:45
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Musta been that "subliminal" thing.
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| | | 27 | Soulman
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 18:14
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Wow, checked in only now and was shaking my head at any idea to sell Loius tonight. And at the thread title because it really looks like it's referring to the notion of dropping Louis. {gulp}
But I see that's not the plan so I could stop shaking my head rather quickly. :) The only reason to drop Louis today would be if someone has 9m lying around for a stud upgrade *and* has 9 players who are even more of a hold than Louis. In that case congrats to such a perfect roster.
Other than that there isn't any halfway justifiable reason to drop Louis today. Except maybe an uncontrolled urge to simply burn trades for the sake of burning them... ;)
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| | | 28 | deejay
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 19:29
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Sort of on a roll with action titles
Got a good one for tomorrow
I surely hope it doesnt involve one of my players then.
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| | | 29 | jedman
Dude
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 20:08
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Good first half for Moon. Pity most have gotten into him by now.
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| | | 30 | jedman
Dude
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 20:12
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And a very slow start for Louis. I think the train officially ends tonight. It's been a very nice ride, thanks Louis.
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| | | 31 | deejay
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 20:16
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Sean Will 4 blocks already.
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| | | 32 | qwert
Donor
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 20:25
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jedman, you've got the golden touch...louis making a push
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| | | 33 | jedman
Dude
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 20:26
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Glad to help anyway I can. I'm still selling him for Kiri tomorrow.
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| | | 34 | qwert
Donor
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 20:27
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Anyone want to buy telfair with me?
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| | | 35 | deejay
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 20:32
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no but i sure want to hold louis.
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| | | 36 | Qwerty123
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 20:36
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Anyone else watching the Wizards telecast notice that the announcer keeps calling last year's #1 pick Barney-Yanni? Could you possibly pick two more annoying people?
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| | | 37 | qwert
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 20:39
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I meant from Daniels...Louis is definitely a hold
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| | | 38 | Qwerty123
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 20:40
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14.5 at the half for Lou Williams.
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| | | 39 | jedman
Dude
ID: 315192219
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 20:55
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2 quick fouls for McDyess. What a surprise!
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| | | 40 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 21:49
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I would love OT in the New Jersey-Philly game. Kidd is looking to screw me over again. In the words of Eddie Vedder, "Turned to my nemesis..."
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| | | 41 | jedman
Dude
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 21:59
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Looks like you might get it.
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| | | 42 | jedman
Dude
ID: 315192219
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:02
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You're a lucky man SU.
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| | | 43 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:02
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Before you say that, I bought Mardy Collins :)
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| | | 44 | ole
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:03
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OT, yeah
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| | | 45 | Blooki
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:04
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I bought Mardy Collins and Kevin Garnett and missed only one Andrei Kirilenko game...
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| | | 46 | jedman
Dude
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:06
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Well, McDyess Sucks!
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| | | 47 | jedman
Dude
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:11
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Man, another night of lousy performances with the exception of Moon. At least I don't have Dirk to whine about also. Some big guns have sure disappointed the last couple days.
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| | | 48 | Perm Dude
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:13
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I was watching that NJ/Sixers game earlier and the Sixers were kicking their butts. How did they let the Nets back into it?
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| | | 49 | Blooki
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:15
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Re: 48
They're the Sixers...
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| | | 50 | qwert
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:16
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Jefferson and Kidd becoming respectable due to OT...I of course have neither.
Moon is the one player that is actually completely irrelevant I think. I guess his good play is saving us all a trade, but I think by now, we all have him.
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| | | 51 | qwert
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:25
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stupid...iguoudala should have missed the second free throw on purpose...now they have to hit a heave to tie it
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| | | 52 | jedman
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:28
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24 for Dirk, 14.5 for Harris. 9 or so for McDyess at the end of three. Kidd around 40 I think, at least that's acceptable. Anybody having a good game?
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| | | 53 | ole
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:29
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wallace at 27 and looking like garbage time. no, i am not having a good game/time either. crap day for my team.
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| | | 54 | G
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:30
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Wow, checking box scores and I actually wish I had nobody playing tonight.
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| | | 55 | kentucky indians
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:31
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McDyess low fantasy total just means he is probably a high TSN$$$ gainer tonight!
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| | | 56 | kentucky indians
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:32
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ouch Bogut having a bad night.. that could mean a lot of howard sellers!
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| | | 57 | Captain
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:33
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Yao Miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing!
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| | | 58 | jedman
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:42
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McDyess with a garbage time flurry moves up to a monster 19 tsnp for the night. He did it in about 3 or 4 minutes. He must have himself in TSN.
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| | | 59 | ole
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:45
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what's wrong with dallas lately?
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| | | 60 | qwert
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:48
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they think that since they were awesome in the regular season and sucked in the playoffs, if they suck in the regular season, they'll be awesome in the playoffs.
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| | | 61 | Mac Daddy
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:48
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So I'm one of the Baron sellers. I went to Chris Paul for the back to back. Burned last night as he put up a 30. Now I'm watching a gamecast on a Saturday night.
He was on his way to the 3D at half with 7 boards. No boards in the 3rd. He got one with 1 in the 4th and 1 with a minute left in OT. Since then, there have been 2 uncredited NO offensive boards. Any chance he got one and will get credit for it later?
By the way, I'm also guilty of trading Jackson to Caron Butler for his back to back. Butler pulled through fo rme tonight, but it was still a foolish trade.
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| | | 62 | jedman
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:52
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You must have a lot of trades. Harris with a last play board and score to jump to 18 tsnp. On a night like this, I'm happy with anything.
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| | | 63 | Mac Daddy
ID: 510283019
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:54
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Not anymore. Shouldn't have made the Jackson trade.
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| | | 64 | jedman
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 22:59
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OT, what a night for college football. This season sure has been interesting. Now who will play for the national championship assuming Missouri loses?
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| | | 65 | qwert
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:15
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woo...lost me some money tonight
selling AK after 88 points...that's gutsy
at least lebron's still going down a bunch
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:15
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ahh the Pitt Panthers with one of the most beautiful wins in many years for their program. Nothing makes them happier than pinning the "worst" loss in WVU history on them tonight. Picture your favortie team and their biggest rival and you can relate to this win tonight for a team that was 4-7 over a team headed to the big dance.
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| | | 67 | Senator Urine
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:16
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Howard only down 100k tonight, I am feeling awesome. And no sarcasm either in that for once, I held him.
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Donor
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:19
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oh yeah and to do it in their house as a 28 point dog. Beautiful, simply beautiful.
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| | | 69 | jedman
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:22
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G, I have no rooting interest in that game, but I sure thought Pitt got screwed on some of those holding calls. Talk about some home cookin', wow!
It would have been a shame for them to lose.
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Donor
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:22
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there are some people with more guts than I have to sell Kirlenko who just gave them 88 pts last night and has a solid schedule ahead.
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| | | 71 | jedman
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:25
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I'm buying Kirilenko tomorrow from Louis Williams. I am ecstatic with the drop in price. The drops by Davis and Jackson also made no sense. Very short sighted managers out there.
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Donor
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Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:29
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Jedman, man I couldn't agree more. ESPN showed both plays here after the game and the anouncer said "at best this is a questionable call, at worst it is a horrible call". At least they pulled it out.
As happy as I am, I feel for the poor WVU coach on the stand. "It was a nightmare, a flat out nightmare".
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| | | 73 | JMISA
ID: 21056316
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:34
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well louis williams did avg tonight and blatche did his usual 15 so i lost about 35 pts for trading them early thats prety much what i expected jefferson and sheed just a lil below their averages but i'd rather have them
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| | | 74 | JMISA
ID: 21056316
Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 23:37
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wow what i jus realized though was that stephen jackson actualy went down tonight and louis williams stayed the same so i would have actualy made my 30k window haha but i guess there was no way of knowing that today though
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| | | 75 | deejay
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Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 05:35
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I cannot believe Brewer lost 70k.
And Mac Daddy, why you had to go sell both Barn/Jax is beyond me. For a Butler b2b? In Ultimate? In early december?
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| | | 76 | deejay
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Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 05:38
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Thats beyond shortsighted, thats having no clue, jedman.
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| | | 77 | Mac Daddy
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Sun, Dec 02, 2007, 08:11
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75 -- Well, I had wanted to make the Baron move since I first picked him up. I had the trades and knew it would be good differentation. I really wanted Bosh but his groin ruled him out. Then I saw Paul against Atlanta and thought I had a chance for a big game. Turns out I was wrong.
When I went to double check my work on Paul, I saw Butler was averaging 50 a game over the last 7 and went for it. So that was my real foolish move. I don't have any leftover trades outside of Howard.
So I do regret the Jackson -- Butler swap, even though it worked out point wise, but I feel real good about the Baron -- Paul trades.
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