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Subject: Soulman's '07-'08 GMD Team (TP2)

Posted by: Soulman - Donor [016105313] Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 05:00

Congrats everyone for a strong first TP. I very much liked how we worked together as a team and it's also great to see this benefited our individual team performances. So let's continue to openly discuss all our ideas and to help each other as much as possible.

I'm sorry I had to drop bd but the close battle at the top forced me to try to give team performance an additional boost wherever possible. This is why I'm excited to have added DrD who with his wisely collected stash of trades will doubtlessly help us make a push.

DrD, welcome to Team Soulman and good luck everyone for TP2!

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 05:05

Welcome DrD.

This late Harris news is a bit annoying. Would have gladly hold and saved a trade.
Well, at least the money swing was there.

Plans for the week:

Dirk -> Dwight 12/07
Kidd -> Tinsley 12/10
Bogut -> Lebron 12/11 (if healthy which seems far from given right now)

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 07:17

Preliminary plans:

Camby => Dwight 12/07
Kidd => Boozer 12/07 or 12/10, depending if I want to buy into the Jazz vs SAS and Dal
Marion => Lebron 12/11

Leave a bank of 4 mill, would love to consider the Tinman but don't really have a spot for him.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 07:29

With news about LeBron possibly sitting out all week I wonder whether I really want to rush back. He might be limited even after returning, so I first would like to see one or two games from him. Means right now I don't think I'll pick him up before 12/14 (if at all). Additionally, there are so many juicy options on 12/11, it's well conceivable that if chosen wisely those other options might beat a LeBron team. Even if he is healthy.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 07:36

I just read the Lebron news also Soulman and was wondering the same thing. Kind of sucks, having Lebron money and maybe not being able to use it.

Opting to get Boozer instead, gives a 8-6 or 7-5 game advantage, depending on when.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 08:01

Yeah, Boozer is one of those options on 12/11 but IMO not before. 2in6 at SAS and DAL is not the best scenario for a TSNP run, so I don't think there's any hurry to get into Jazz guys. Overall I feel that 12/11 is a pivotal date so I'd rather recommend keeping our trades together over the weekend to have enough ammo for a big shakeup on Tuesday.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 08:01

The Harris news seems to have changed my plans, and I already regret that I took Kirilenko over Boozer the other day. Might do something about that.
Ill check in later with a plan.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 09:07

Welcome DrD!

So, yesterday I missed the whole Devin Harris Lazarus-Effect and sold him for Calderon, we'll see what that was good for. Leaves me with five trades and Kobe and Bynum with stomach-flue.
My plan was to sell the LA-Duo after tonights game (and take the $-hammer on bynum) for Kirilenko (one more try) and Howard. Think his losses should be done by then and I need a center (no I will not buy bogut). After Marions 4 games I would go Boozer. If someone knows a better plan for my team, I would be glad to hear.
Now that I don't have Harris anymore, I'm in the situation to not have any player going tomorrow. If I sell Bynum tomorrow and buy Howard do you think Howard is going to gain dollars, because if not I just could let the spot empty for one more day.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 10:15

8

Im defenitely considering buying Howard tomorrow or at the latest in 2 days.

Not that sure that Kirilenko is that good of a plan, Dilo. Boozer back is not good for his production. I already experience that.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 10:41

dj, not sure either, but who's the alternative for a longer hold than one week at this price?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 10:42

good point, dilo.
dont see anyone.

DrD
Donor
ID: 034735159
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 10:47

Glad to be on a Soulman team once again but hated to see my son-in-law bd go. He is the better fantsy player. Out thought myself by not picking up Stoudemire. Lucky I didn't have Harris or I would have screwed that up also. Went to Horford hoping to have enough money to get back into Howard and James when the time comes. As you can see I need all the help I can get, please!

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 11:49

#8
Dilo, your plan sounds good in principle but I see plenty of options apart from AK tomorrow. Aldridge, Shaq, Horford, Hedo. Not saying that any or all of these would be better, but also they are not necessarily worse. So I'd base my decision who's to replace Bynum on which positional and financial requirements you have for further moves. As for leaving your team invalid for one day, that's a viable method to gain extra information without committing of course. I do think Howard will gain a little that day but I don't think it will be significant enough that it would rule out leaving the roster invalid. Perhaps 60k or so.

#12
No worries DrD, that's what a team is for to help each other! :) As far as I see, your roster does not have any immediate needs so no need for action today. Let's wait what tonight's games bring, and if any must-sells emerge, your stash of trade will allow you to aggressively pursue points and money. Post your ideas then which the team can evaluate to help you find the most promising moves.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 16:58

My early plan(I think)

12/6 Louis to Udrih or Howard(the one that will make more money, I think that should be Udrih?)
12/7 Harris to the other one

skipping Calderon with TJ on the horizon

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 16:58

oh and Welcome DrD.

bd
ID: 01081412
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 17:16

Per Rotoworld...Kevin Martin expected to have mri to confirm he's out 4 - 6 weeks (groin). Do Salmons or Garcia on Sacramento draw any interest instead of Udrih?

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 18:19

Not really to be honest. I feel the Kings are just not a good fantasy option overall. Not only because the schedule isn't really good but more importantly because the team itself is inconsistent (a bit similar to e.g. the Bucks). As you say, Udrih is the exception, but only because of his combination of starter status, guaranteed minutes and this incredibly low price. If he was at 2.6 or even 4.5 like Garcia and Salmons respectively, I wouldn't have picked him up. Which in turn means I'd recommend to stay away from Garcia/Salmons.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 19:14

3 Kidd owners hes out, you have 15minutes...

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 04:42

So we have a novelty in NBA world, a player on strike.
Really don't know what to do here. He's obviously not injured. My gut feeling is that he sent his message across and will be back to work. I'm inclined to hold at this point. Trading him today would devastate my trade plans for the week anyway.
Dave, any insider view you could have ?

turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 05:04

18,19

I was already in bed when Kidd decided to ignore my good run in ultimate hoops.

So what to do? I have Kidd and Harris. My plan was to keep both till the end of the week to go to Howard and Tinsley. I can go Kidd - Howard/ Boozer today...

I don't think that SAS (without Duncan) and DAL (in the moment) are so hard opponents for Utah. So Boozer and Deron Williams are good choices too.

I think i tend to keep Harris another day (take the points) and hope that Bynum, Kobe and Kidd will minimize the money loses of Harris today.

@at all looking for a constant cheapie the next days:

Bogans is at 840k and produces a constant 18,4 TSNP.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 07:05

Anyone who sells Harris today should be shot, seriously. 100k on the night of a b2b(and there were only 2), pft.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 07:19

Gescom, strong rumor here is that Kidd, playing TSN for the first time, was a Howard holder and was really upset that he was traded early from teams, inspite of a solid schedule. Kidd decided to stage a 1 game protest to punish those that moved Howard to himself a few games ago.

Kidd was quoted " I don't get it. Howard was carrying my team. This cost me some serious cash, and now I might not be able to afford my buddy Lebron ( who I wouldn't mind playing with for real ), when his schedule picks up a little down the road. Now I have to totally revise my plans to see how I can get Lebron on my team "

On a serious note, haven't heard or read anything you all haven't. If the rumors are true, it wouldn't surprise me. I got caught away at game time so I was stuck with him last night. Not sure what I would have done anyway with such little notice. None the less, he's likely gone today from my team(s) today, probably for Boozer.

Wade could be an interesting choice but I'm not sure I want to chance being fooled by his last game.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 08:08

What to do with Louis is my question of the day, he had 26.0 but is that nuff to stop the bleeding?
Plus do i really want to keep him?

bd
ID: 01081412
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 16:43

Need to replace Bynum with a center. I have 3.79 cash. Options I am looking at are Brad Miller, R. Wallace and Horford.... any thoughts? My first instinct is Rasheed.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 16:49

Im gonna do Louis to Dwight Howard today.

Doubted long between him and Boozer, but hes a C and Amare to Boozer fits nice on 12/11. If Lebron is a no go that is.
I really like Boozer very much, but with Dwight I still keep a way into Lebron(if needed). With Boozer not, unless I skip Howard, but that is out of the question and asking for it too.
Figure people will need a C as soon as of today anyway.
Harris prolly becomes Udrih tomorrow unless Devin gets me 50 plus today.
On tuesday Amare and Hill would turn into Boozer(or Lebron) and Tinsley(probably)

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 16:50

25

out of those 3 prolly Sheed yes.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 17:07

Kidd will stay today. Harris too.

Tomorrow i will probably go Harris to Tinsley unless Harris goes for 35+ tonight. I know Tinsley have three days off after fridays game but i like him much. More than other guard options like Udrih, Turkoglu, Ellis, etc.

Thoughts?

If Kidd will not play tomorrow i will go to Boozer/Howard.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 17:30

23
Damn. Those TSN rookies always screw the game.

25
Would go with Miller personally

I'm awfully tempted to go Kidd -> Wade. Please talk me out of it.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 17:34

28
Doesn't shock me.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 12:07

Dirk's 52.5 were nice but not nearly enough to make me hold him. It was a mistake to pick him up and so he'll leave for Dwight tonight.

Harris simply has become a disgrace on my team and if it weren't for that cursed late news about him being healthy, I would have dumped him 3 days ago. Still, I wouldn't have gone to Nelson then which is what I'm going to do now. Calderon's run might be over soon, so Nelson is the safer pick I reckon. He's not spectacular, but serviceable and is the starting PG on a highly potent offense. And Orlando's schedule is one of the few that's stable over Christmas.

So Dirk/Harris>Dwight/Nelson today. Suns to somebody on Tuesday and that's hopefully it for the week.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 12:20

On a further note, bd just informed me that DrD had to be taken to the hospital this morning. My best wishes go to DrD and I sure hope it isn't anything serious so he'll be well soon.

As DrD might not be able to manage his team the next few days, bd (having access to the team) has kindly offered to make moves if necessary. So as team captain I'd like to call all of you for help by having a quick look at DrD's team and post your take on what you would do with it. He does have plenty of both cash and trades so I guess a few good moves could be made today or the next few days. Thanks in advance mates!

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 12:28

My personal idea for DrD's team would be to go Bass/RJeff>Dwight/Hedo tonight. Dwight will make serious money tonight so I think he's a must buy. DrD's cash alone won't upgrade Bass to Dwight so a bit of coin has to be collected from RJeff>Hedo. Funnily enough (and if my calculation is correct) that would work out right on the cent! :) What do you think, guys?

deejay
ID: 19112711
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 12:52

I am gonna go Harris to Udrih today.

As for DrD that looks good Soulman. Not that crazy bout Turk, but hes decent and a GF.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 13:14

Camby to Boozer for me today. Grabbed Howard yesterday, thinking he would make more coin than Dirk..... wrong.

I have plenty of cash to finance a return to King James from Marion, whenever.

Just wondering what the rest of team Soulman thinks of Lebron. I guess a possible return date is 12/11, with the news that he won't play " this week ". This report indicates that even Coach Brown isn't even sure when:

"I have no idea," said Brown, on when James will start again. "We're just listing him as out. I just hope everything turns out that he's completely healthy and he returns sooner than later.

I'm not even sure I plan on getting him back now. I hate trying to fit in someone who has no " fit in " date, although it would be from Marion so I don't need to know quite yet. Is anyone else here thinking of skipping?

And something for us Calderon owners, Ford may be back in the starting lineup as early as tonight.

Looking down the road, and not a lengthy one, Kaman will likely have to be dealt with, possibly as early as 12/17, and for most, it would have to be a C. Jefferson is a nice fit, but requires some extra cash. Bynum is a possibility , but that should probably happen earlier, like 12/13.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 13:16

For DrD today I would go Bass->Salmons and Jefferson -> Howard after Jeffersons next two games. So he would not lose a game on jefferson and salmons should be a decent G/F too wit martin out.

Of course, the Howard/Turk combo does not look that ugly too, but I don't like the two Jefferson Games against one Howard implication about it.

deejay
ID: 19112711
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 13:23

36

I did something similar, picked Howard over Udrih, thinking Dwight would make more money, was very wrong too.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 13:32

@ 36
I take the wait and see approach on LeBron. He's not on my plan for the next two games (going marion -> boozer on tuesday), if LeBron has showed up till then I consider buying him on 12/13, from Davis/Jackson, if not I'm going fully Lakers Bryant/Bynum. I think Bynum is also my solution to the Kaman problem.
My last trade this trade-week should be tinsley on tuesday from jefferson.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 15:11

#37
Dilo, I see your point but it wouldn't really be 2 Jeffs vs 1 Howard. It would rather be 1 Bass + 2 Jeffs vs 1 Howard + 1 Hedo. Plus he would get Dwight money tonight which easily can approach 200 IMO. Anyway, I would much rather not decide myself here but have all the team decide.

So quick team vote: Is there any preference for either Dilo's or my suggestion for DrD's team?

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 15:21

#36
Right now I don't have any plan of picking up LeBron anytime in 2007 again. Perhaps on 12/14 if he posts two consecutive trip dubs before, but I certainly won't reserve money and trades for a player whose return date (and post-injury form) is anyone's guess. Besides, loads of other stud options available, so to me LeBron doesn't look essential at all for the rest of the year.

DrD
Donor
ID: 034735159
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 17:15

Didn't stay in the hospital long. I appreciate all the sugestions and will use some of them. I hate to give up some TSN points to get Howard money but think it is the thing to do. I plan to go B. Davis and Bass to Howard and Boozer and then R. Jefferson to Turkaglu or Nelson on the 12th. Thanks for the help.

DrD
Donor
ID: 034735159
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 17:15

deejay
ID: 19112711
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 17:38

DrD I really wouldnt trade baron.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 17:45

I am in need of a guard. My original plan was Harris to Tinsley today but after that my window to get Howard from Kidd on 12/10 is only at 280k. And this window will close before monday. I can go Kidd - Howard today but then i will lose one game and in addition to that i hope that Kidd have something to prove tonight.

So Tinsley is a little bit too expensive. Other options are Turkoglu, Ellis, Nelson, Salmons or going cheap to udrih.

In the moment i prefer Turkoglu. Any thoughts?

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 17:46

Dirk -> Dwight for me today

@36
I have the cash to go to Lebron on 12/11 but that would imply he plays tonight and have a decent game which is unlikely to happen. So no Lebron tonight means Boozer for me on Tuesday.
If he's back on 12/11 and has a decent game (not even good, just decent, something close to 50 which is 10 below his season average), I think he's going to be again the hottest thing to have starting 12/12 with 3 consecutive days of gain. Will likely get him from Baron on 12/13 in that case.
If he's still not back on 12/11, well we'll revisit from there but not sure he's worth a roster spot in 2007.

@ DrD
Glad to have you back. Wouldn't trade Baron either.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 17:48

DrD, good to see you're back!

BTW, I agree with deejay in that I wouldn't trade Baron. That would essentially be an extra trade to get 2 Jefferson games + Boozer vs 1 Hedo game + Baron. Not worth it IMO. I think you should get to Howard today without sacrificing Baron.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 17:50

#45
Yeah, from that list Hedo would also be my choice. Would have liked to get him myself today but I'm short on cash so I had to settle for Nelson.

deejay
ID: 19112711
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 17:51

I also had 5mil something, but nevertheless opted for Udrih, not that wild about those 5mil options.
Salmons would be my second choice, then Nelson.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 17:51

@45
You will see better gains with Salmons for cheaper price and similar points than Turkoglu IMHO.
Nelson is inconsistent and Ellis' schedule is short unless you consider holding through the 1-in-4 starting on 12/18

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 17:52

deejay, I somehow get the impression you dislike Hedo in general... ;) Any particular reason for that? I pretty much enjoyed having him the first three weeks of the season or so.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 17:56

#50
Perhaps, but Salmons is gonna be sold in 9 days. No way a 4+m player can make it through this sea of red. That's only possible with heavily underpriced players a la Moon, Udrih, Brewer. And as we have seen, even Brewer did not make it last time.

deejay
ID: 19112711
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 18:00

Soulman,
he burned me enough in the past, had him on another team already this year, and he was pretty ordinary in that stretch, so I decided hes just not a player that is happy to be on my team(s). :)

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 18:01

I don't trust Turkoglu in the last time but i must say i am very impressed with his game this season especially in the last 2 weeks. He gets enough minutes and with no really power forward in the starting five he rebounds very well (second on team).

In addition i like his schedule more than Sacramentos. I think i will take him.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 18:04

Soulman all depends when turnabouts would plan to sell Salmons. If it's a short term pick up, Salmons is a better pick up IMO. If it meant to last 3 weeks, Hedo will likely provide more stability but with low gains.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 18:12

Gescom, you're absolutely right that it depends on how long the hold is planned. Reason I prefer Turk over Salmons is that I always feel only studs warrant short term pickups. Mid price or cheap players should feature a minimum conceivable hold of 2.5 weeks IMO. If they don't have it, I usually don't pick them up.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 18:15

In my opinion Salmons will not get so much minutes as at the beginning of the season. Now only Martin is injured. At the start of the season Sacramento played without a point guard and without Artest. The 3 spot goes to artest with 41 minutes, the point guard spot to udrih with 35 minutes. So you have 68 minutes for Salmons, Garcia and Douby. And as Theus pointed out Douby is ready for his role to increase in the wake of Kevin Martin's groin injury (source: Sac Bee).

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 18:16

Just processed the Dirk -> Dwight. That was a damn good feeling. I never thought I would be so happy to get rid of Dirk and have Dwight back.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 18:16

Very good point, turnabouts!

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 18:19

#58
I hear you, Gescom. As a through and through real-life Dirk fan it was almost depressing for me to notice how keenly I anticipated to finally sell him.

DrD
Donor
ID: 034735159
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 18:23

Keeping Davis. Going witth Soulman's original prescription.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 18:28

It's Dr Soulman now LOL

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 08:56

4 fellow Kirilenko owners.
I am close to move him.
Second owned most F.
Thoughts?

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 09:12

Not sure DJ. I have Calderon as well, and will wait and see how he does today.

Kiri will take a $ hit today no doubt. Just don't know who I'd move him to today.

If I Calderon tanks, and I move Kiri, that will leave me with Marion through the trade refresh, which wouldn't be the end of the world. But Kaman will need to go soon, and I don't want to get strapped for trades. Somehow, somehwere, I'd like to hold. Kiri's schedule is golden for a long time, so.....

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 09:15

Actually, I have the cash on this team to move Kiri to Baron ( yeh, I know, can't believe I don't have him ) and Calderon to Tinsley tomorrow.

Leaves me no cash to move Marion to LBJ if I wanted to next week.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 09:18

Holding as well! I bought him recently for the third time this season, somehow I've got only the bad games out of him. This time I've sweared to hold till the scedule dries up. And I think (hope)he will manage a 30 point average.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 09:32

By the way, I think brewer or s.jackson are higher owned forwards then Kiri. He will bleed today, maybe a bit tomorrow, then It should be okay. Think we should concetrate on how to get rid of the very heavy owned, like the ones mentioned, not to forget Baron Davis (who will start to lose as soon as next week), moon and kaman. If we get out of them to late, I think this will cost us more than kirilenko today.
So If you've got plenty of trades moving AK is OK, but if not, there are more important trades to do in the next two weeks.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 09:37

Agree on the GSW players, Baron included, and I'm not saying that because I don't own him. For those looking for an in to LBJ, I can see Baron being the one sacrificed on Friday.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 09:44

Just read that:

Tinsley-Family involved in shooting

hope that doesn't spoil my r.jefferson -> tinsley plans on tuesday

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 13:19

I'm awfully tempted to go Kiri -> Tinsley today. Please talk me out of it.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 13:21

me too turnabouts.

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 13:28

Utah plays GS on tuesday?

It's tempting, but I think it's lateral. I would only do it for the money.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 13:36

Utah plays Portland on tuesday if my eyes dont fail me.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 13:40

#72
Can't really talk you out of it - if I had Kiri I would be tempted too! ;) Only slight doubt would be Tinsley's injury history, but so far so good.

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 13:41

what was i looking at? never mind.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 18:22

think I will hold Kiri.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 08:50

I think I'm holding Calderon no matter what the losses are. Ford has been mostly ineffective despite starting the last 2 games and Calderon logged all the money time minutes yesterday in a close contest. Toronto enters a 8 in 12 tomorrow that is not beaten by any team and Calderon always projects in the top 5 in his price range over that period no matter what avarage period you consider.

Second headache I have is Wade. The plan was all along to dump him and Bogut tomorrow to get Tinsley and Boozer. But well, it seems Wade is about to regain his stud status and should see many buys as soon as Thursday. But I really want Tinsley / Boozer tomorrow. So my plan is:

Tomorrow: Wade / Bogut -> Tinsley / Boozer
Thursday: Jackson / Davis / Kaman -> Wade / Lebron / Bynum

That's awfully aggressive leaving me with one trade on a Friday, but with no other trades planed for the week and that brings in all the guys I want. Besides that, I suspect the heavily-owned GSW players and Kaman to start bleeding like crazy as soon as Thursday and those moves would be one headache less in that department. Of course that works only if Wade doesn't twist an ankle tonight and Lebron shows he's still Lebron tomorrow.

Thoughts ?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 10:36

Agressive, but looks good Gescom.
One thing: not sure if Moon will be holdable, since hes not in your plan.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 11:17

Yeah I've looked at Moon but same thing: Who will match his production in the next 12 days at comparable price ? It's not like he can't produce with Bosh in as Moon had many good games with Bosh healthy. He had 2 stinkers in a row but there's no reason he should not bounce back. I think most people will hold till the end. He still gained 10k last night and the sell-off has not started. Of course if he has 2 other sub-par performances tomorrow and Wednesday the flood gates will open Thursday but if he bounces back, he should be safe ? Or is this just wishful thinking ?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 11:32

Well I dont know Gescom, but I think two more stinkers and the gates will be very much open.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 12:40

That's for sure

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 16:07

I just got back from vacation this morning and barely had a chance to keep track of my team, which is clearly evidenced by my free-fall. Looking over everything quickly, I am contemplating going Calderon-Tinsley today and holding steady with Baron, Udrih, Brewer, AK, Boozer, Howard, Moon, Kaman & Horford. It would leave my about 200k in the bank. Does this look like my best move at this point, as I am having a hard time catching up on my research.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 16:16

@86
Seems right, if you really want to get tinsley today.

With the news that tinsley won't be punished for the shooting-incident, i will go jefferson -> tinsley today.

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 16:23

Neither Calderon or Tinsley play tonight so it makes sense to do it today. Only other option I see for Tinsley is to go Horford-Tinsley tomorrow but that leaves me with only two centers on my team, which isn't that big a deal since Howard is a long term hold and I'm planning on getting back into Bynum shortly. Who would you guys suggest I move for Tinsley, Calderon or Horford?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 16:26

Calderon.
Horford plays b2b.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 16:26

Hortford :-)

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 16:27

and go horford to bynum on the 12th possibly.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 16:41

Thinking of Calderon to Tinsley myself.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 16:53

Usual Suspects, I agree with deejay and Dave - if it's Tinsley for you today, I'd drop Calderon. As deejay said, Horford would then be a good route to Bynum next trading week.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 17:05

I am moving Hill/Amare tomorrow, just cant decide for who. Of course with Lebron in mind.
Boozer/Tinsley has my preference right now.
I do have the cash to get Lebron tho.
But then I cant get Bynum/Wade on the 13th from the duo I want to sell. And no its not Baron.
Means skipping Lebron prolly tho.
So tough decisions coming up. Im sure Im not alone.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 17:05

#80
Gescom, your plan indeed is very aggressive but looks great nonetheless. Actually it could be that I'm down to one on Friday myself. Which is saying something for an overly cautious player like me. You know how I usually play. ;)

Just not sure which of the possible one million ways to go, so I didn't put down the possibilities in order to not make this thread unreadable. All I know is that 12/11 and 12/13 will be pivotal trading dates for me.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 17:07

Ah, posted at the same time. :) And no, deejay, you're absolutely not alone. Lots of pondering to do tomorrow...

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 17:11

too much Soulman, my head already hurts and tomorrow still has to start :))

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 17:12

It's funny, I thought the same Soulman. There are so many possibilities that depend on for example how Lebron plays, that I also decided to keep this thread readable.
I also do not rule out to have one trade left on friday :-).
I hope we're not called the Titanic-Team afterwards!

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 17:23

Well, if we all go down to one by Friday and by sheer miracle somehow make it through the week, we might have a chance of closing the ever-growing gap to the rolling Bandwagon. And if we don't make it, at least we're crashing all together as a team. Sounds good fun! :)

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 07:46

I have 1 trade left for today, with Marion likely to be moved. Candidates are Lebron or Deron. Considering Thursday moving Kaman/ SJ to Bynum and either Lebron or Wade.

Lebron/Wade leaves 1 mill cash to deal with Moon if need be, Wade/Deron 3.82, and Deron/LBJ 2.33. Possibly important, the Wade/Deron combo ties up all 4 guard slots with Deron/Wade/Tinsley/Udrih.

I'm leaning towards Deron today, LBJ Friday. That gives me a game to evaluate Lebron. Further it gives me the cash to move Moon to someone in the low 4.00's ( IE Gay ).

So what are team Soulman's thoughts?
Deron/LBJ
LBJ/Wade
Deron/Wade

102

turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 07:47

Nash to Tinsley today.

And Stoudemire to Boozer or Deron Williams or Al Jeff or Bosh?

I tend to Deron Williams to save money and hope that he will play like in the last two weeks. What does the team think?

On thursday the next tough decision: Kaman to Bynum is clear but i can only afford one of these three studs from S-Jax: LeBron, Kobe, Wade.

103

turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 07:52

101

Deron today and then wait how LeBron will play today and decide on thursday. If LeBron will play tonight like he did in the past games before his injury he is a must have in my opionion. If not Wade is the way to go. This week he demonstrated that he is back at full strength.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 08:14

Tough choices today indeed TA/Dave.
It mainly depends on 2 factors being Moon/Lebron.
For me at least, but I have feeling I am not alone.
Toronto has the first game, gonna keep my eye on that before I go one to of the Jazz (IE Booz/Deron).
Tinsley seems a lock right now.
Should Moon suck, then I might pick up Outlaw today(with the Aldridge news he becomes interesting to me)
Need to do a lot more thinking tho.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 08:16

Wade / Bogut -> Tinsley / Boozer today

101
Deron and wait LBJ outcome tonight

102
Close call between Boozer and Deron. Boozer seems a bit more consistent but is 1.5m more.
Lebron Thursday if still Lebron, Wade if not.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 08:44

Seems like the consensus so far is Deron/LBJ. Funny, somehow I really want Wade. I suppose that decision can wait. From a games now perspective, Deron today makes the most sense ( or Boozer, but I have him ).

Deron also gives me three Utah players as I also have Kiri.

DJ, if you are waiting to see how Moon does today, you can't move him to Outlaw, unless you are planning on Outlaw from another source. And I am sure your trade candidates are Amare/Hill. So, I'm guessing Hill to Tinsley and Amare => whoever. I think it would make more sense to move Amare => stud ( Boozer or whoever )than Amare => Outlaw and Moon => Stud later.

If I interpreted your post right.

107

turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 08:51

104

And Moon to whom on wednesday?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 08:56

Yes you did, and I realized It dont work that well, so I agree with you, Dave.
So Boozer or Deron....
With Kaman/Kirilenko to Bynum/Wade or Lebron in mind...
It has to be Deron if I want to keep a way into Lebron, if I "settle" for Wade then it has to be Booz(due to the positions).
Problem is I have to decide today which one I will be wanting, Wade or Lebron, since one of the 2 Jazz plus Tinsley decides that for me.
Unless I skip Tinsley.
Hope you all still can follow :)

109

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 08:57

107

I realized that is not the way to go.

110

turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 09:13

108

Cleveland has the first game. Keep your eyes on LeBron before deciding of Deron or Boozer. That is a possibility if you are awake at gametime

111

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 09:44

very true turnabouts.
thanks.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 13:01

108 part 2

If I skip Tinsley and take Granger instead that would make it all work.
Keeps the choice between Wade/Lebron open, plus I could then also possibly sell Jackson stead of Kirilenko, if I wanted.
Granger doesnt excite all that much though. But hes decent, and I dont have hold my breath everytime the Pacers play.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 14:24

@ 112
Thought about granger too, but I went with the dollar swing and took tinsley yesterday.

Today I go Marion -> Cheaperthanboozer Williams.

Then it gets complicated. I really want LeBron (if hes 40+ tonight), Wade and Bynum beginning with Thursday. And I also want to get rid of the top losers on thurday (B.Davis/S.Jackson/C.Kaman). Together they don't give the ammount of money for the above mentioned players. So right now I'm leaning towards packaging a 4th player, which would of course leave me with one emergency-trade for the rest of the week.

Chapter 2 - The 4th Player

The next to players to take a dollar hit will be Moon and Brewer.
So, if I package moon as the fourth I could get Shawne Williams back on my team (or maybe blatche). Think Shawne Williams would also be the man for Brewer.
The two other options are Kirileko and Calderon.
Kiri could be Gay, D. Wright, Jaric, Haslem
Jose could be just Wright, D. Fisher etc.

Chapter 3 - The Questions

The Question is. Is it reasonable to take the risk of one trade on a friday just to have the players and the heavy money gains that you long for. I would say, Yes!
The other Question is, is bynum really a must with brown back? I think also yes If you want to avoid the money loss on Kaman and still want to have a decent center.
The last question is:
Am I losing my mind, and is this the longest post ever posted?
Oh, sorry that was two more questions.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 15:43

Dilo, my situation and plans are very similar. I was quietly hoping news would rule out some options, but there are still as many viable ways as yesterday. So I'll also break down my entire debate today and am desperately looking for team advice/thoughts. And by doing so hopefully provide thoughts/ideas myself. This is what my situation is now:

--------
G - Baron > likely sell on 12/13, but not set in stone
G - Nelson > underperforming as ever but hold into 2008 for some stability
G - Udrih > possible sell today and sure sell sometime next week
G - Brewer > with the scarcity of trades, absolutely untouchable! GF and schedule far too valuable with all the other moves to do.
--------
F - Howard > untouchable, anchoring my team into 2008
F - Marion > locked sell today
F - SJax > same as Baron, but even more of a sell on 12/13
F - Moon > hold, no point in messing with this slot when bigger slots require the moves. Outlaw in this slot would be less than lateral IMO.
--------
C - Kaman > has been nothing but spectacular but must leave on 12/13 to protect gains
C - Stoudemire > locked sell today
--------

That's the current situation, now the questions on potential moves:

1) Today: Marion/Amare to either Deron/AlJeff or Boozer/Tinsley. Boozer/Tinsley might be a slightly more popular option today and also saves about $1m (which would ensure the window to LBJ). Still, AlJeff would give a welcome 3rd C and also is less of a question mark than Tinsley IMO. So if judged by players only without any regard to money I would choose Deron/Al. But alas, money could factor in if LBJ is making himself a must have. Also, can't wait on the outcome of the CLE game because Al is locked then.

2) If I go Deron/Al, my window for Baron/Jax/Kaman>Wade/LBJ/Bynum on 12/13 is -70k. Bynum and Wade will drop but LBJ might rise too much for it to open. If I get Deron/Al and still want to ensure it is open, I could drop Udrih for Shawne today. Udrih has to leave on 12/16 anyway so it's just doing the inevitable a little earlier. Still, by 12/16 there might be a player I want more than Shawne. Or I can even upgrade Udrih because it turns out that LBJ is not back to form and thus would be skipped on my roster.

3) Thursday: Kaman>Bynum is locked - I don't care about Kwame, Bynum was adequate even with him and Mihm around. Baron>Wade is optional and would make money. Also, it might be required to get the 500k difference to facilitate SJax>LBJ. If LBJ is not an option, Wade from SJax is plan B. Kobe is the last resort but I don't really like him. But again, all the backup plans would require me to go Udrih>Shawne today to not have 4 G slots blocked on 12/13.

So with all these implications posted and to summarize, these are the four questions I'd greatly appreciate to have a team vote on:

1) Today Deron/Al or Boozer/Tin. Or somebody else?
2) Today Udrih>Shawne - yes or no? If no, who to get from Udrih next week?
3) Thursday: Sell Jax, Baron or both?
4) Thursday: If both, then Baron>Wade - yes or no? If no, would it be yes if target was somebody else than Wade?

Sorry, I know that's awfully complicated but I see I'm not alone. So while I'm primarily asking questions, I hope that my analysis also is a bit helpful for everybody doing a similar debate. And Dilo - to answer your last question right away: Nope, after I finished writing this, yours isn't the longest post ever. Anymore! ;)

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 15:58

Additional option with the news of Foye being out another month:

Today - Amare/Marion/Udrih > AlJeff/Jaric/Tinsley
12/13 - Baron/SJax/Kaman > Wade/LeBron/Bynum

Effectively that's Jaric+Tinsley instead of Shawne+Deron/Boozer and thus means skipping the Jazz altogether but we can't have everything I guess. Would leave Deron/Boozer as additional backup options if LBJ doesn't do well.

Thoughts?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 16:01

Soulman

1. What about Tinsley/Al Jef as a combo, gives you the third C you seem to like and Tinsleys gains.
Hadnt mentioned him yet, but hes defenitely an option, Big Al.
2. Dont see the rush in selling Beno.
3. tough one, currently planning to hold on to baron at least, but his gains are almost over, tonight prolly the last ones jump on. I like his production too much tho.
4.not too wild about kobe myself.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 16:02

Hey Dilo and Soulman... Couldn't you give us the " Readers Digest " versions rather than the unabridged one ;)

Dilo, sounds like there are going to be alot down to 1, maybe 2 at the most trades come Friday.

Soulman. Sounds like everyone has the same questions, and probably no one will come up with the same answers. Al Jeff is certainly an interesting option and I'm wondering with the Foye news if a combo of Jefferson/Jaric is better than Bynum/Deron. Certainly a much longer hold, but probably not as good from the $ and points standpoint.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 16:23

Sorry, Soulman but I can't answer it. I only now who's going to gain big today and on 13th. Today: Tinsley, Boozer, Williams (Top 3). On 13th Wade, LeBron and Bynum. This is the way I will go and the way I reccomend. I also mentioned the top losers over the next days and week. More I can't say because I'm desperetaly overthought.
Godd Luck in making the right desicions to everyone!

119

Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 17:00

114

1-If I were you, I would go Tinsley/Boozer or Tinsley/Al as the 3rd Center is certainly valuable to have, although I view Al as a relatively significant downgrade from the Booze

2- I would say no, Beno is far from as must sell for close to a week and better option may arise down the line (even Jaric although I am more than a little weary to have him, Tinsley and Baron as 3 of my guards-add in Wade and you are more than asking for a couple DNP's.

3- I think SJAx is close to a must sell but Baron's constant production makes him a hold in my books

4- See above

In my books, I am looking for at least 40 minutes and solid field goal percentage in order to by into LBJ on Thursday

120

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 18:00

Thanks guys, your feedback and some further review helped me find a solution which I'm happy with. Funnily enough, it's yet different from everything I've posted so far! :) This is what I'll do:

Today - Marion/Amare > Boozer/Deron
Thursday - Kaman>Bynum (locked) plus either 1, 2 or 3 of Baron/Jax/Udrih for the most desirable and affordable combo of LBJ/Tinsley/AlJeff/Jaric/Haslem/Cheapie etc.

Rationale:
- I agree with Dilo that Tinsley and the Jazz dynamic duo will make the most money tonight.
- I agree with US that AlJeff isn't in the same category as Boozer and would be a downgrade.
- You guys convinced me that (A) there's no hurry to sell Udrih and (B) that holding Baron after 12/13 might not be bad after all.
- Furthermore, I do not commit on setting up my team for LeBron (which I kind of would have done by getting a cheapie tonight) without knowing the outcome of the Cavs game. Still I leave the way open into LeBron if he does well.

Finally, what absolutely convinced me was to look at the matchups for the B2Bs of the three teams in question for tonight:
* Tinsley - @Cle/Chi > Umm, no. Not exactly the most favourable matchups.
* AlJeff/Jaric - @Was/@Phi > Not bad. But not exciting either.
* Boozer/Deron - Por/@Pho > Sounds good. Portland without Aldridge as playing ground for the new Stockalone. And Phoenix is fun anyway.

121

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 18:10

Executive Summaries:

Dilo
Yes
Yes
No
No

Soulman
Boozer/Tin
No
Jax yes, Baron not compulsory
See previous line

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 18:12

Oups sounds you made your mind Soulman

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 18:18

Thanks Gescom - your suggestions in fact are very much in line with my decision, only difference being that I will take Deron over Tinsley for the reasons stated in #120.

124

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 18:23

Puh, it's really difficult today.

I am in a tough situation: i cannot afford 4 studs like the most of you. So it is only LeBron or Wade for me on tuesday.

The only thing i must decide now is which player to take from Amare: Boozer or Deron. In both ways i can pick up LeBron.
I like Boozer more, but with Deron i will have 1500k more to deal with. And perhaps this can be useful when Moon or Brewer have to be moved.

So what do you think? Should i pick Boozer or Deron Williams?

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 18:30

I'd take Deron in your case. Not only does he save money but more importantly, you have more G slots to spare than you have F slots. And judged by the last few weeks, gains and production should be similar between Deron and Boozer so no need to bind extra money.

126

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 18:31

I tend to prefer Booz over Deron turnabouts.
But the 1.5 could come in handy.
Why dont you wait and see how Moon/Lebron do before committing right before 3pm est?
Something I plan to do.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 18:35

Only fear with Portland game is to be a blow out leading to new Stockalone seating excessively.

I've studied zillions scenarii for Thursday droping 3 of Kaman/Jax/Baron/Moon/Calderon but not even worth mentioning here as the next 2 days will reduce the considerations. I don't want to be responsible for headaches nor break the longer post record. Only sure thing is that I will be down to 1 on Friday...

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 18:38

True about the blowout risk with POR, but if the Jazz play so well that it is a blowout, Stockalone will perhaps already have at least respectable lines before being benched.

129

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 18:39

126

To be honest i don't want to spend every second night in front of my computer.

But you're right. Today it makes sense.

Thanks Deejay and soulman for your different opinions. But that reflects my indecision.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 18:39

turnabouts is bound to have a short night :-)
More seriously in your case I would also go with Deron even I like Boozer better without any other considerations in the mix.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 20:38

Picked up Tinsley/Boozer in the end.
Deron would put my Guards full.
And I think I want Wade on thursday.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 03:29

@121
Gescom, thank you for confirming my sanity!

134

turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 07:41

Can be Pryzbilla my solution?

I can go to LeBron and Wade when i skip Bynum and take Pryzbilla instead...

Anyway Kiri have to go soon...

135

turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 10:02

I need your advice.

I can go Kiri to Boozer today.

And tomorrow S-Jax and Kaman to Wade and Bynum.

My money window for tomorrow is at 260k. Do you think this is enough? The question is how much money will S-Jax and Kaman lose today (not much in my opinion) and how much will Wade and Kaman raise (more of a problem, especially Kaman).

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 10:38

horford to bynum will be popular today turnabouts

137

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 11:41

What a mess this team is. 4 trades, 5 candidates. Fortunately my RV is solid enough I can sustain a few salary hits.

Rank these 5 in order of priority sells:

Kaman
Kiri
Udrih
Moon
S.Jackson

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 11:53

Turnabouts, I also thought about skipping LeBron and going Boozer today (from Baron), but I don't dare to make any trade today. There are 10 players on the court for me, my plan is to have 1 trade left on friday, so I just wait and see what happens today. A lot of question marks (Moon, Calderon, Kirilenko, then the GS-Anyonehasmeontheroster-Duo, Kaman), wont trade a player who's playing today, too risky. Tomorrow, that's another question.
To sum it up: If you are in risk-mood Kiri-Boozer will definetly let your window open,I think.

Top 3 losers today, i think Kirilenko, Moon, Horford, all above 100.000, then a lot of others with minor losses.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 11:55

@137
Dave, i'm passing today, but I rank it for you tomorrow ;-)

140

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 12:08

137

I would say (from high danger to lower)
1. Kiri: needs to go tomorrow, today if not playing
2. Moon: tomorrow could be a big problem , suspect Moon to Dorrell
3. Kaman: tomorrow, the race for bynum
4. Beno: 12/16 will hurt
5. Jax/Baron: will take a hit tomorrow but I see other priorities to be honest. See previous 4.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 13:35

#137
Seen on the whole week before next refresh, I'd rank sell priority as follows:

1 Kaman
2 Udrih
3 Kiri (if his injury keeps him out, he moves to top sell priority of course)
4 Jax
5 Moon

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 13:37

Is DrD gonna save his trades for the Holidays? :)

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 13:41

#134
turnabouts, I had Priscilla and hated it. Actually I was praying every night he would reach double TSNP figures. Only very rarely did the prayers help...

#135
I understand Kiri>Boozer is tempting tonight, but with only 5 trades I think you shouldn't do it. If the window closes, then it's somebody else than Wade and Bynum (or even a hold of Jax).

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 13:49

BTW, I completely agree with Dilo that everybody who has 10 guys going tonight should stand pat. With all the injuries, the current landscape is changing by the minute. So I think that especially in this critical week it would be a recipe for disaster to trade players on a day they play!!! Most of us have all their trades allocated for planned moves anyway - and if we factor in the additional must-sells that surely will emerge this week, we're in for a bumpy ride.

So I advise everybody on team Soulman to handle your few trades very thoughtful this week and especially today. Except for DrD of course, whose 10 trades give him enough ammo to fire at will! :)

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 13:57

I have 10 going, and have not planned any move today unless one sits.
Tomorrow will be trade consuming enough, prolly 3 shiny trades gone.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 14:09

Yeah, that's the exact description for my situation as well! :)

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 14:16

If tommorrow was today, I would go Kaman/Moon/Jax -> Bynum/D.Wright/Wade, holding Baron and Calderon, skipping Lebron.
We'll see if tonight changes something to that.
No trades today of course.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 14:23

That looks a lot like the trio I have in mind Gescom.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 14:24

with the exception Jax is Kiri in my case.

150

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 18:55

I have to move Horford today and have been going back and forth between Gay and Granger. Granger has a 16-13 game advantage until Jan 10, however I personally liked Gay quite a bit more, he is cheaper and has G/F eligibility.
Tomorrow I will move Kaman/Kirilenko to Wade/Bynum.

Who would you guys suggest today, Gay or Granger?

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Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 18:57

Didn't realize Ind was at 7:00-must decide now, leaning towards Granger

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 18:59

tough choice Usual.
Both are decent.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 19:00

Wow, that was tight:

Buy Confirmed
07:00pm: You bought Danny Granger for $4,650,000.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 05:04

Things can change so fast in this game, with Okur out, Kirilenko seems the up his production, interesting, and now Jax sucked it up.
Decision Day underway.

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turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 07:33

Sometimes the price movers are crazy. I had sweared yesterday that Kirilenko will be on top of the price mover list. But he lost only 10k. Wow. With this and the Okur news i will hold him for now.

I have three options today. Please let me know which do you like the most:

A) My favorite:

Moon, Kaman -> Bynum, Wade

B) Moon, S-Jax, Kaman -> Wade, Al Jefferson, Pryzbilla

C) S-Jax and Kaman -> LeBron, Bynum

Despite jacksons poor game yesterday i tend to hold him.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 07:45

I was all prepared to figure Kiri in my trade plans for today, but I think he earned a stay ( hopefully not temporary ). Okur may or may not miss more time ( although Milsap certainly had a huge game ), so I'm hopeful Kiri will be OK.

Had planned on holding SJ, instead of Kiri and still may. Yesterday didn't help his cause.

Moon had a decent game under normal circumstances, but I'm afraid it just wasn't good enough. The sky is falling today for this guy.

Kaman shouldn't have to go, but with the Wades, Kobes, Lebrons of the world waiting and those looking to upgrade Moon, he will be the sacrificial lamb. Big money to be made by Bynum.

So I can take the conservative route:

Kaman/Moon => Bynum/Wade or a little more aggressive and include SJ and grab a F 6 mil or less. Rudy Gay is very tempting. And I could get Kobe instead of Wade. Truthfully I think Kobe is a better pick, he plays an extra game than Wade between now and Christmas and is a perfect fit to a certain "off the charts" PG from N.O.

Thoughts?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 08:07

Ive been through about 100 scenarios so far, but what I like most so far is Baron/Kiri/Kaman for Wade/Kobe/Bynum, but thats awfully agressive, puts me at one trade with Moon on board. Could a hold Moon thread do the trick? :)
And I wasnt gonna trade Baron.
Back to the drawing board.

turnabouts I would say A

Dave I wish I could do Moon/Kaman to Bynum/Wade but I cant :(

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turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 08:10

157

Kaman/Moon -> Bynum/Wade is my favorite move too. I also can add S-Jax in the mix and pick Rudy Gay like you. Hmm, tough call. Let's see what the other GMD members suggest.

Your Kobe - NO guard move is really a very good one. I have to take a look at that.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 08:51

Turnabouts we are in the same boat, Baron-less, I assume you never had him. It's really hurt me, but hasn't seem to have affected you all that much. And you have an extra trade than I. If I had 5 I most likely would jettison SJ from my roster. SJ => Gay could afford you Kobe if you'd rather. But that's why I'm down 4 right now.

Tough call for you, for me I'm tempted just to use the 2 trades.

Deejay, I'm not really sure you want to be down to 1 trade with Moon still on your roster. And Beno. And Brewer.

And I mention Brewer ( and have no plans to trade at this point), but he has been even worse than the highly mentioned Moon of late......

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turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 09:01

160

Yes, i never had Baron Davis and i wonder myself how i survived those weeks without him.

Although I have one more trade i still prefer the conservative route with only two trades and keeping S-Jax. Gay will not outproduce him and i think S-Jax will get the money back next week. Managers always remember constant producers.

158

I agree with Dave R. Try to use only two trades today or package Moon right away so you have not to deal with him the rest of the week.

The problem with Moon is his schedule this week. He have one day rest after every game so he will drop at every free day unless he will score 30+ TSNP.

Brewer have the better schedule and is a g/f. I think he is more of a save place holder in many teams.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 10:49

@ 156
I like A) the best.

Reading all the news and posts, I've come to make a decision for my team. I will make the 4 player package to Wade, LeBron, Bynum -> 4th. With the news on TJ. and on Okur and the solid play by AK, I decided that Calderon and Kiri will not be sold (at least not by me).
B.Davis, S.Jax, CK were bound to go today so it leaves me with the two of Moon and Brewer. I have to package one of them to get the above mentioned 3. That leaves me with 0.85 Mio $ (Brewer) or 0,92 (Moon), in both cases is has to be a forward. Surprise, surprise: I'm getting Shawne Williams of Indiana from Moon today. Decided to sell moon not brewer because of the schedule and noone seems to care about brewer.
So bye bye, Super Jamario!

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 12:26

Okay. I think it comes down to this.

A. Kaman/Moon --> Bynum/Gay

B. Kaman/Jax --> Wade/Bynum

C. Kiri/Kaman/Moon --> Bynum/Wade/Dorrell

D. Jax/Kaman/Moon --> Bynum/Wade/F <2.5mil

Im not wild about A.
Kind of like B. but it keeps Moon(and 2 trades)
In options C-D Im left with 1 measly trade.
C I seem to like the most. Keeps my Warriors, who still have a nice sked.
It lets Kirilenko go though who just had a nice game.
Brings me to option D, looks decent, but I see no F/C under 2.5 mil that I really want. Or I have to do Przbilla/Maxiell...

Thoughts?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 12:29

I guess there is also option E.
Kiri/Kaman --> Bynum/Wade and put a little cash aside...

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 12:43

I like b) the best, but think moon will fall hard, so c) would also be an option.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 12:48

I like B and E the most. 2 Trades at this time of the week are better than having Dorell Wright on your team.

I like A too but i think you will have one of these three studs today: Wade, LeBron or Kobe.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 12:54

Thanks guys, kind of how im seein it too.
Gonna scratch A for sure.
Dont feel good about that.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 12:59

I take a deeper look at the schedule. On Sunday only 5 teams have two remaining games in the week: LAL, LAC, TOR, POR and GSW.

Only LAL and GSW have longer schedules to buy in so Baron Davis and S-Jax will gain money back.

Maybe this will not compensate todays and tomorrows loses but something you can count on.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 13:08

I don't know turnabouts.... B2B for GSW followed by a 1-4 and solid after, so you may be right. But the questions is, with this weeks flurry of trades, who will need to be sold and will anyone have any luxury trades left? I can't imagine who would be traded on Sunday, for GSW players to be bought.

Or do people have more trades than I do ;)

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 14:17

Damn, I somehow had hoped to go into Friday with more than 1 trade but it looks like I won't make it: SJax was a hot sell candidate anyway and last night's stinker sealed his fate. Moon apparently has fallen from grace everywhere so against every reason I will join the crowd. At least their sells will raise cash needed for my other moves. Kaman despite all his greatness has been a locked sell for long already. Finally (and unfortunately), Nelson not only has underperformed but also is banged up and could miss time so I also need to use his money elsewhere. Means my package move for today would be Nelson/SJax/Moon/Kaman > Wade/Gay/Shawne/Bynum.

Can't remember I ever burned four trades at once and it's basically a suicide mission to be down to one on a Friday, but the way my roster is set up it seems inevitable due to financial and postional restrictions/requirements. Positive aspect would be that all of tonight's major price movers (both + and -) are covered by this combo move and that it basically would give me a hopefully potent 5-stud roster:

G - Wade/Baron/Deron/Udrih
G - Boozer/Gay/Brewer/Shawne
G - Dwight/Bynum

I'm basically decided to go this risky route but still would love to hear your opinion whether you think this is the way to go. And of course if anybody sees an equally promising but less risky route, please let me know.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 14:38

Pretty aggressive, Soulman. I have SJ also and was trying to avoid selling him and go down to 1 trade, and Gay would be my option. Maybe I should reconsider.

A 5 stud line is one to be envious of, but maybe it would be better to just skip Wade. You could do Kaman/Jameer/Moon => Bynum/Gay/ ???.

It would give you the wiggle room if Beno needs to go, or even Brewer. SJ will lose money no doubt, but Beno no doubt will to in a few days. Is your game plan to hold him?

Unfortunately I don't have an idea who ??? would be

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 15:01

Soulman:

I wish i could give you better advice than a "I dont know"

Youre sure about Shawne Williams? Have much cash you have left , could you somehow get someone else than Shawne?
I defenitely like the other players youre getting.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 15:01

Thanks for your suggestion Dave, but that would give me 5930 for the ??? and I 'm not ecstatic about anyone in that range only perhaps Turk. Howaever, the main aspect I really don't like here is skipping Wade.

Initially I was looking at Jameer/Kaman/Moon > Bynum/Wade/Shawne but alas I'm 30k short of that. However, this money gap could be closed by selling Udrih instead of Moon and thus would enable me to do a sensible 3 trade combo move only. Still gives me five studs but would mean holding Moon and Jax while skipping Gay.

In my 4 trade scenario, Udrih on 12/16 would be the single remaining trade meaning there isn't room for any unexpected sell. As I said, unusually aggressive for my standards and maybe the move that marks the demise of my team.

So which of these two routes would you like better? Down to one with Udrih still to deal with or keeping Moon and Jax while skipping Gay?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 15:04

Keeping Moon doesnt seem an option to me anymore, no way back.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 15:08

#173
If I don't get Shawne, this is the picture:
A) Money left for the 4th player in a 4-trade scenario with Moon: 1840, but may not be a G
B) Money left for the 4th player in a 4-trade scenario with Udrih: 1920, can be any position
C) Money left four the 3rd player in the 3-trade scenario with Udrih: 620, can be any position

This is what it comes down to - A, B or C?

BTW: What do you mean with "no way back" in #174?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 15:16

Moon has to go in a week anyway I mean, Soulman.
So if you either move today or in 2 days he has to go very soon anyways.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 15:21

Sorry Guys,
I don't have the strenght to think about all this anymore. I decided to go the 1 trade left risky way and to get rid of all the top losers. I would understand anyone who does not want to be down to one trade, but the questions we're asking are not to be answered. In one week or perhaps one or two day we will know, but right now I'm gonna trade and dont look back.
My summary:
Kaman, Jackson, Moon are must goes (just for the money)
Wade, Bynum are must buys (not only for the money)

All other moves depend heavily on how much trades you have and which other problems you are carrying with your team today, and of course how much risk you are willing to take.

Good Luck, Team!

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 15:21

Soulman:

A. A Forward under 2.5 mil is what Ive been looking for all day.
Brought me also to Sh Will evertime, there is also Maxiell(youre short for that)/Blatche(horrible sked) so I see what brings you to Sh Wil.
B. Telfair would that be I guess

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 15:29

#176
Yeah, but so does Udrih. In fact, aside from mass frenzy and with regard to schedule/price/production only, Udrih *has* to go on 12/16, but Moon only on 12/23! The only reason to sell Moon over Udrih tonight would be that Moon (for a reason I yet don't understand) probably drops 80 more than Udrih tonight.

#177
No prob Dilo, I know it's hard enough to make up a plan for our own teams so I fully understand if additionally analysing somebody else's team is just too much at the moment.

#178
Telfair is a player who I see as a perennial disappointment both in real life and fantasy. Thus I would only ever consider picking him up if he was 500k and there wasn't anybody else to make my roster valid. So I still like Shawne better.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 17:10

Wow another hectic and long day at work...

I haven't changed much my opinion and still considering Jax/Moon/Kaman -> Wade/D.Wright/Bynum.

It's a bit unrational but I feel relatevely good about Wright. A mix of good personal history with him and the recent changes in Heat roster let me think he's the way to go.

I'm not sure I can give an advice to anyone today but most of the combinations discussed here make sense to me.

A couple of things however:
- deejay, if you're down to one trade after today, you should really look for a Moon-less roster
- Soulman, do you really want Shawne ? As a former Shawne holder, I can tell you're bound to big disapointment. Also, with around 65m FV for most of us, I don't think we should own any player who can't consistently get a 20+ tsnp average and Shawne is clearly not a member of that category.

I won't be around at game time having an early flight tomorrow so good luck everyone!

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 17:45

Thanks for your warning Gescom, I understand what you mean. It's not really that I "want" Shawne, it's rather that I want a valid roster with 5 studs. Shawne's near minimum price enable me to assemble such a roster, so I'll gladly take his 15s while the studs hopefully haul in 40s and 50s in bunches.

Moreover, a 570k player completely removes any sell pressure from this slot, regardless of how badly he's doing. And as particularly evident by today's general discussion, one slot less affected by this annoying sell pressure is really something I'm trying to provide to my roster.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 17:58

Very true on the sell (non)pressure. That was the main reason why he was on my team. Totally understand your approach. As long as you're clear on what to expect.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 18:16

No worries, I never expect anything from cheapies apart from making my roster valid. In fact, there are constellations in which my grandma would make my roster if she was listed at TSN and cost 500k. This is such a constellation. And as my grandma is not available I'll take Shawne instead... ;)

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 18:19

Have you asked Mrs Bandwagon what she thinks about Shawne ? Did she give it a go ?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 18:37

2 options are left:
Jax/Kaman/Moon --> Wade/Bynum/Maxiell
or
Kiri/Kaman/Moon --> Wade/Bynum/Dorrell Wright

Dont want to experience the Moon Crash.
Would rather trade Jax, but would rather have Dorrell.
2 more hours to pounder.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 18:40

#184
Nope I haven't, but I asked Mrs Soulman about my grandma and she said if that makes me have 5 studs she's fine with anyone - be it my grandma or Shawne! :)

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 18:47

You should take your grandma. You would save 70k :)
Good night everyone.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 18:54

I would, but she's a Guard and all my G slots are full... ;) Good night, Gescom!

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 18:54

#185
deejay, I like the first better.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 18:55

Leaning towards that option Soulman.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 19:41

Think I'm decided now to go the four trade route. Differently than I thought however. Was pondering all the time whether to dodge Udrih's or Moon's hit. To resolve this, I'll now drop both! ;) Instead, Nelson stays - he's hardly owned by anybody and if he bounces back, his schedule is better than anyone's. Can't afford Gay then so I have to settle for Wright. I don't really like him but he will make money and in that's what counts in December.

So it's Udrih/SJax/Moon/Kaman > Wade/Wright/Shawne/Bynum for me. Amen and good night!

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 20:04

Dang I missed the Wade freeze, thought the game was in half an hour , Im screwed

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 20:13

New plan then... Gonna take the Soulman approach... I dont have any other choice, cant undo what I sold and cant buy Wade anymore. :(

Jax/Kaman/Moon --> Bynum/Shawne Will/Kobe or Lebron

So Kobe or Lebron.

I hate myself right now.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 20:14

Geez, say that ain't true! Time to improvise now I guess.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 20:14

deejay, how much cash do you have

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 20:18

thanks guys I have 12.18 mil cash

and this is what I have...

Baron
Tinsley
Udrih
buy G

Boozer
Kirilenko
Brewer
buy F

Bynum
Howard

Jax,Mooon,Kaman are gone
1 trade left.
Im about to cry.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 20:21

And it was 2.01 and I thought I would make it, but that stupid "The player you sell is not on your roster" Bug, screwed me over ,and then he was locked

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 20:23

i can't see anything else.

unless you did turkoglu and gay and kept cash for an upgrade of udrih or brewer.

i prefer kobe

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 20:26

not too keen on turky, rudy is fine tho, but seem to prefer to barbell approach. thanks for chiming in qwert, this has never happened to me before.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 20:31

Wow that sucks...

So Kobe and a player 1.22 or less...

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 20:34

or lebron and an even cheaper one, in both cases it leads me to Marijuana Boy aka Shawne Williams.
So 8 Kobe vs 7 Lebron. Thinking Lebron right now, less money gains is the downside.
Or Qwerts duo.

And its only this team, which makes it even worse. Jikes

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 20:40

I understand the preference for barbell.

Though Turkoglu and Gay could and likely would get you 62-65 a game. Kobe and S. Williams would be hardpressed to get you that.

And while Turkey isn't flashy, i really enjoyed having him and he won't be a pressure sell before the end of his schedule (I don't have him now, so nothing vested).

Anyway...just playing devil's advocate.

Kobe's 2 extra game would be nice. Thus far, Wade's game is not something to be upset you missed.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 20:40

Advice on a non GMD team

All include Kaman=> Bynum

1)Calderon/Moon=> Kobe/Gay
2)Beno/Moon=> Kobe /Outlaw or another cheap F
3)Beno/Moon => Jefferson/Gay

Which do you like better, Calderon can be held a bit, Ford or no Ford. Dumping Beno now just solves a weekend problem. I do like the Kobe/Gay duo best.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 20:43

1) Dave, no doubt for me

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 20:49

Believe it or not the options 1 & 2 project almost identical til Christmas since with option 2, i have retained Calderon. Just saves a trade for now, as Calderon should be good til 12/22

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 21:44

I've decided on Kobe, now I really need to go to bed. Leaves a bit more cash and if I decide to move Beno on Sunday then I get either a G a F or even a C.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Dec 14, 2007, 08:27

Looks like, in the aftermath, team Soulman added yesterday:

7 Bynum ( 8 including 1 the day before )
6 Wade
3 Shawne
2 Dorell
1 Boozer,Kobe, Gay, Lebron,Telfair

and jettisoned:

8 Kaman
7 Moon
5 Jackson
1 Kiri,Baron, Beno

That's 23 transactions for 8 players, nearly 3 per team....Wow.

Half are down to one trade, and 3 left with 2. Only DrD has a surplus.

We still have 1 Moon ( based on yesterday may have been the smart thing to hold, other than $ considerations ), 3 Beno and 8 Brewer. All but Deejay with 1 trade have shed Beno. Hmmm.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Dec 14, 2007, 08:37

I have Beno to Maxiell in mind (rather than Telfair) on Sunday, thats also the main reason I took Kobe over Lebron, or I always needed a G out of Beno.
Maxiell can take me through the holidays.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Dec 14, 2007, 09:23

Since I sort of brought it up....

I think the point needs to be raised, and will undoubtedly be discussed at length.... does Beno need to go? There will sure be money lost but this is similar to the "to trade or not to trade" Brewer a bit ago.

Lets look at 2 likely replacements, Telfair and Maxiel ( only since Deejay mentioned him ).

Assuming a trade date of 12/16, until 12/29 Beno plays only 2 less games than the others, and that includes a game that date for each, where Beno doesn't play. We can even throw Brewer in the mix, his games #'s are the same as Telfair and Maxiel.

Assuming you want Beno back, he has a buy date of 1/2. Games til then, Telfair/Maxiel/Brewer 8, Beno 6. So for 2 trades you gain 2 cheapie games ( plus the $ advantage ).

For those with trades, Beno=>?, Brewer=> Beno works, even as early as 12/23. That's right around the corner. So Beno will take a few hits and no doubt make it back when Brewer goes.

You could almost make an arguement that Brewer is a more important trade candidate than Beno, with the assumption Beno will be bought back and Brewer won't for a long time, if ever again, certainly not to the end of January.

I'm on the fence, and alot will unfold by Sunday. But I wouldn't jump the gun and assume Beno is a must sell.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Dec 14, 2007, 09:34

I fully agree on your reasoning Dave and might just hold Beno, he does nothing wrong, I only brought it up, should Beno really have to go, well then i have a trade.
If I do get Maxiell, then it could be as well from brew on 12/23.
Nothing is defintive.
In fact back then, when I got Beno I had the idea of holding him through new year.

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bd
ID: 31281917
Fri, Dec 14, 2007, 22:19

Re:#183 I think your grandma would have outscoed s. williams tonight.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 04:55

Yeah, that's why I would have preferred her over Shawne.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 05:23

Kobe/Shawne looking better with the minute.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 10:41

Well, as the sole Moon holder, I felt pretty good about the possibility of being able to hold him after Wright's bust on Thursday. I figured if he had a good game (30+) then he would be a valuable hold and saved trade. He was anything but good.

So he clearly has to go today-the problem? The player I wanted from him, Outlaw is now too expensive to move to straight up. I have three choices:

1: Moon-Maxiell and hold Udrih for now (depending on his game may trade him tomorrow)

2: Moon-Humphries and same with Udrih

3: Moon-Outlaw and Udrih-Telfair today(Very agressive as this leaves me with 0 trades and $0.00 in the bank on a Saturday but it avoids two big price droppers and will make significant cash).

I think I am leaning towards option 1 since I can't stand the idea of being tradeless so early in the week, however, as they say, no risk, no reward.

Opinions?

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 10:45

@216
like 1 the best

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 11:39

option one, but Detroit just pulled off a trade and got Brezec, could that affect Maxiell I wonder....

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 11:45

Same opinion as deejay, option 1 if you're not concerned by Brezec and Hermann possibly affecting both Maxiell and Dice. Otherwise option 2. Option 3 is too agressive for my taste.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 14:04

Guys if you are thinking about making moves, remember from today on, there might be some trading in the real world...

Today is a key day in the NBA's trading climate. Contracts of first-round picks and free-agent summer signings are allowed to be dealt

found that on rotoworld...

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deejay
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Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 16:38

As the only Kobe owner(not on purpose), I will hold him with the news hes expected to play.
If I knew Kobe was not gonna play, then I would go to Wade(since I missed him the other day :) ), but being it my last trade I assume it is wise to sit tight, or not?

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 17:22

US, just food for thoughts: The oracle likes Outlow.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 17:24

DJ, would sit tight as well unless there's definite negative news before the freeze today.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 18:07

220-

Agree with Gescom-he should play tomorrow and that last trade is valuable

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deejay
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ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 18:17

thanks guys, it is indeed the most reasonable thing to do, but ive been climbing up nicely and it is tempting.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 18:22

Thanks for the advice...just going to make the easy Moon-Maxiell trade...not really concerned by Brezec and Hermann

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 04:55

So Kobe is now a gametime decision, and the last game of the day, thats not handy at all.
Im gonna hold Beno it seems.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 06:49

Wright -> Outlaw would be tempting today but I think I will sit tight. Don't want to go tradeless and Outlaw schedule is far from being good, not even mentioning Aldridge return set for Monday.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 06:57

Same here Gescom, I think going Outlaw today is asking for disaster. Means I will also sit tight with my impressive uber-stud combo (Dorell Wrong & Shame Williams).

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 07:01

deejay, don't be mad at me but I would love Kobe to sit today and be back on Tuesday. That would probably open a Baron -> Kobe window for Tuesday. I'm currently 110k short.

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deejay
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ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 09:07

230

Im not mad :)
If he sits he sits , but I would like to know it soon then.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 09:08

What are the 2 other Benos doing?

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Dave R
SuperDude
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Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 09:46

Deejay, with one trade and Kobe, I'm not sure you should be worrying about Beno....although as listed a game time decision, it doesn't seem that Kobe will miss any more games after this, if he does sit. He could be moved to Lebron if you have cash or Wade. I have him one some teams and am inclined to hold. If you want to gamble he is OK, then worry about Beno.

Speaking of Beno.... to hold or trade. I have 2 trades left on this team. Options:

1) Outlaw. I disagree with Gescom, what is wrong with a schedule that offers 11 games over 21 days. Aldridge allegedly is due to play tomorrow, but we don't know that for sure. But his games with Aldridge in the lineup pre-injury were 40, 12.5, 38, 33.5, 31.5, 29.5. I think Aldridge's return most likely affect Przybilla more. Unfortunately, I can't afford him without an additional trade.

2) Telfair. Major money maker and only been gaining for 4 days. Great schedule. Should have gone this route yesterday.

3)Maxiel. Hate to buy into the 4th most widely owned forward in the TSN universe. Nice 3 week ( 11 game schedule )

4) Humphries. Bah Humbug. But Cheap and should make some cash, but prime to be sold in a week if not producing, if he is maybe can be held longer.

Don't know if I missed anyone. Other than DJ, looks like Usual Suspects and I are the Beno owners. What are thoughts of team Soulman, hold or trade? Brewer does triangle nicely back into Beno

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deejay
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ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 10:06

No you kinda misunderstood me Dave, I have no intention of selling Beno today, Kobe or no Kobe.
And yes lebron is on the radar.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 10:38

As the only other Beno holder, I am leaning towards selling. My RV isn't where I would want it to be and I don't want to take another massive hit. With a 2 in 7, I see Beno losing a lot. My current options would be.

1: Sell for Derek Fisher (6 game hold)
2: Sell for Telfair (long term hold hopefully)
3: Sell for Humphries for the short term MONEY
4: Hold

I am having trouble deciding which is the best path.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 11:49

No love for Maxiel, US?

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Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 12:04

Dave, I already have Maxiel, got him from Moon yesterday

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 12:07

OK , I guess you like him then.

What are the thoughts, 2 trades left.

1) Hold Beno
2 ) trade Beno?
Maxiel
Humphries
Telfair
Or how about Azubieka?

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 12:10

Dave, Outlaw's 11-in-21 includes a 2-in-8 starting on 12/20. I think Outlaw owners will have the same kind of debate that Udrih owners have now. Udrih has a 2-in-7 starting today after and followed by a great schedule but most owners are considering bailing despite a rather solid production to date. I would prefer Telfair personally.

US, would go Telfair as well in your case.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 12:12

Similar predicament as me, but since you have two trades, i would definitely sell, for whomever you prefer between Maxiel and TElfair.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 12:15

Thanks Gescom, 95% sure I am going to go Beno-Telfair, provided no one on my team suffers an injury before 11:00. That way I am only in jeopardy of having an injured player on Tuesday

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 12:55

Went with Maxiel, he is doomed.

Gescom, you do have a point, there is one difference which I think is big. Beno's 2-7 starts now and ends before the holidays. Outlaw's 2-8 travels over Christmas where there is one day with no games and 2 days with limited games.

Maybe he will have some selling pressure, but I think he will be OK.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 19:38

I agree with Dave R on Outlaw. Trading Jaric to him. It's more a money move. 2 months later in the season i wouldn't do the same.

The other player i am not so satisfied with is Kiri. But i think with Okur out a really good from Kiri will follow in the next days. Hopefully.

I am not really sure what to do next week with my team. There is no player on my team who is a must sell. Besides Kiri maybe. I really like Boozer but i survived Baron Davis and hopefully Boozer too. What are your planned moves next week?

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DrD
Donor
ID: 034735159
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 13:04

Last night was the night I was to start making up some ground with 3 GSW players going. What a disaster. I'm desparate for suggestions. Please!

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 13:14

My full scale barbell approach surely backfired, I'm in free fall all week. Dorell and Shawne combine are less than half a player and Baron has been far from stud-like. Especially last night's disaster kind of wore my patience thin, so I'm contemplating the following options with my last trade today:

1) Baron > Gay/Turk/Tin. Frees cash to turn Dorell and/or Shawne into anything useful down the road
2) Baron>AlJeff, doesn't free cash but releases one of the crowded G slots.
3) Hold Baron today and sell for anybody tomorrow if he pulls off anything less than a triple double. If other sell needs come up (via injury etc) I'd be forced to hold past tomorrow of course.

Any team preference for either 1, 2 or 3? And if 1, whom of Gay/Turk/Tin would you prefer?

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 13:45

Soulman, all are solid choices, and I guess it depends on what else you have in mind. Gay is certainly the cheapest, and all have good long term schedules. And I hear you about the G slot, seems a logjam at this point.

One thing maybe of interest, getting Jefferson gives you the flexibility of any position ( or at least a F ) when it comes time to trade Bynum. Maybe you have an out for him in mind anyway.

As an aside I like Gay allot, and this is about the only team that I wasn't able to grab him on.

And while we are thinking burning the last trade, SJ still occupies a spot on my team. I would love to dump him but haven't found a reasonable replacement. Gay would be the guy, but I actually lose a game through the end of the year. Might not be that important. Just not sure it is worth spending a trade. Also considering Granger, nice long term hold, but he is so up and down.

Any thoughts?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 15:36

248

Soulman,

I would do a combination of 2 and 3, sell tomorrow no matter what he does tonight and get Al Jef. I am gonna do that too, you can bet on it if you move him today (vs no defense Memphis), you are going to regret that.
Al Jef plays Miami also, seem to prefer the other match up.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 15:39

Btw I do like Gay too, but the matchups not that much before Xmas(today aside). But hes on the radar.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 16:01

Thanks for your feedback, Dave and deejay. Funnily enough I came to the same conclusion as deejay in the meantime, so I'm gonna do it exactly as described in #250! But thanks for reassuring me, deejay! :)

Gay's next matchups are simply ugly and could bode ill for the Christmas gap. Turk would give me a third Magic player, which I don't want to have to not have to book 3 trades on 1/3. And Tin again would lock me with 4 G only players which is something I want to avoid at the current junction. So AlJeff it is, even if that means I have to ride out Dorell/Shawne or have to look for similarly priced alternatives. And I'll do the trade tomorrow because as deejay correctly puts, Baron's matchup for tonight is far more favorable than Al's. Heck, trading away Baron on a day he plays Memphis would simply be begging for punishment...

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 16:05

249

Would wait Dave.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 16:05

Dave, as it is your last trade also, I'd recommend to sit tight with Jax. I understand Gay is tempting today but as you say, you lose a game. And get Gay's ugly matchups. Moreover, if any widely held player tweaks an ankle tonight, you want to have a trade ready tomorrow to dodge the hammer. Especially if Jax drops 40 on Memphis. Which isn't a completely unrealistic scenario.

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deejay
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ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 16:09

252

It does free up little over a million Soulman, I will hopefully go Shawne Wil to Maxiell/Telfair/someone else with that money, at the refresh. Well see.
Had been looking at Blatche, but hes slumping a lot lately, so thats a no-go.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 16:12

#247
I hear you Doc, last night was a disaster for sure! But still let's not make that lead us to rash actions. I'd wait and see how your 9 active guys are doing tonight and what the landscape tomorrow will be. And if then opportunity presents itself, you can use your trade surplus to do all the big money moves.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 5510262310
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 16:51

249- As the resident Granger holder, I can tell you that I am less than thrilled about his daily prospects. I am always scared of a game in the teens and hoping for 30's. I personally don't think he is worth a trade out of SJax.

He is, however, a solid hold the rest of the year because of low enough ownership and schedule.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 17:01

Yeh, I had Granger earlier, and you never knew what to expect. Same with Dunleavy. To bad, with that schedule.

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Gescom
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ID: 520461315
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 17:29

Soulman, similar feeling and similar conclusion here. Will hold Baron today and revesit tomorrow. Am looking at Al Jef, Yao and Hinrich.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 08:00

Thanks for nothing Baron.
Baron to Al Jeff for me today.
Thought one second about Hinrich, but no thanks.
Tomorrow I will gladly upgrade(and that for sure aint an understatement) Shawne Williams.
Thinking Maxiell right now.
Kirilenko starting to work on my nerves too, might package them, but cant find really anyone in that range that I like at this point.
Gay is a not a bad option, but that loses games, plus buying into a player thats about to face the Spurs and Detroit aint that good of a plan to me.
Add a 1in4 with the Spurs in it again to that, right after Xmas.
And I will wait on him.
Would like to find another GF, but that aint easy it seems.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 08:38

Deejay, how cheap a G/F are you looking for:

Grant Hill: Has one less game than Gay over the next 3 weeks, the same over 25 days and plays on Christmas, usually a popular buy date for players.
Assuming he isn't widely owned, if you can live through two 1-4's down the road ( one of which is over New Years so it's not that bad ) he can be held until the end of January

Azubuike: Playing time seems sporadic, but decent producer for his price and relatively cheap. If he doesn't take a $ hit tonight, his price might be stable for a while. Might be a risky pick but is a G/F

Gay sure pops off the top of the sortibles. But he could be in for a tough time price wise if he puts up some stinkers. Jan 2 would be a great time to get him if you don't already.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 08:46

The more I look at Hinrich, the more I like it. He has a 10-in-15 starting today. Would allow to upgrade Wright to either Gay, Jax or Haslem on 12/19 or 21 and Calderon / Brewer to Udrih / B.Miller on 12/23.
I currently have no idea what to do with Bynum on 12/26.
Am I insane to consider Hinrich ?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 08:51

Thanks Dave.

Gay is still the best option to me out of those, but the opponents scare me too much and as you point out, he might be in for a rough time.

If I package Kiri/Shawne Williams tomorrow then I would have around 8.7 mil for 2 players....
Kind find a duo that I really like. Plus it always loses games.
So it could be Kiri stays a bit more and I simply do Shawne to Maxiell.
A G/F would be just for the flex...

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 08:53

263

Dont get too overexcited Gescom, one player a team seem to have career nights vs my poor Knicks night in night out this year.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 08:55

264

should say: Cant find

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 09:40

Gescom, I would certainly get cold feet a bit with Hinrich, although you can't beat the schedule, nor his last 4 games production. I guess it depends on which Hinrich are you buying.

Miller ( and Dalembart ) will probably be hot picks from Bynum, and you would be getting Miller early so looks like you could replace Bynum with a F. Not sure your cash at that time but Gay would be an option.

BTW, I was looking at Yao, as you mentioned previously. He is nice fit back into Kaman later, but so is Brad.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 09:50

Brad was my original plan, Kiri to Brad on 12/23, looks good to me.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 10:27

deejay, if you are getting Jefferon, I'm not sure I would rush out and get Brad Miller. You don't need another C and I would think you might be able to do better than spend $5 mil on Miller. And as a Kiri owner, I'm not sure why you are in such a rush to trade him. Granted he hasn't been great, but do you really think Brad is going to be any better?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 10:37

Would be for when Dwight has to go mainly Dave, which is close after the new year...
Granted Brad is not spectacular, but hes decent.
I am gonna keep my eye on Nazr in Charlotte too.
Well see how Kiri does the next 3 games.

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 10:57

intruder

I think when Dwight has to go, it makes a lot of sense to just go in and out of Camby for a 4 to 1 advantage, meaning you don't have to have another C set up.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 11:06

that of course is another road qwert, hadnt seen that yet. thanks for the tip.
However i surely dont mind having 3C's, can always come in handy.

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turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 11:55

I have the money to go Kiri - Al Jefferson today. I like this move. Al Jeff gives me a center and if all goes normal more points than Kiri (Plan A)

Other possibilities are:

B) Deron Williams to Kobe or
C) Kiri to Hinrich or
D) save the trade.

Any preferences here?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 12:40

Prefer A, coming from someone who added himself though

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 15:05

Is there anyone on this team of sound mind that can convince not to use my last trade and move Kiri ( or SJ ) to Haslem?

The extra cash from Kiri would come in handy in a few days.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 15:45

Why are you in sucha rush to trade Kirilenko, Dave? :)

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 16:03

Cause I have a trade burning a hole in my pocket ;)

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 17:38

Jefferson would be a logical choice from Baron but that closes too many doors and upgrades for the next days so I'm rolling the dice with Captain Kirk. That can be the move that cave me for good but well, no danger no glory.

turnabouts A, C or D but not B. Deron has some gas left and Kobe is an 8 day hold.

Dave, I won't talk you out of it cause I think it's a good move.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 17:39

275

Haslem seems very good in home games (+ 8 TSNP more than on the road). From the next 13 games only 4 are at home. So i will not take him.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 04:54

Now this Beno thing, pft, I cant seem to get a break lately.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 07:16

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2	turnabouts-1495	5539	38	2560.5	16	66.74	0.05	66.69	0.24	4
3	Dave R-4326	5535	38	2668.5	403	68.21	2.10	66.11	0.13	4
4	Gescom-1851	5506.5	112	2799.5	31	66.98	4.21	62.77	0.37	4
5	Soulman-786	5433	38	2637.5	113	65.71	1.78	63.93	0.15	4
6	Dilo-1633	5400.5	78	2639.5	67	67.25	0.35	66.90	0.16	5
7	Usual Suspects-1857	5378	38	2582.5	62	64.94	0.55	64.39	0.01	4
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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 07:34

Im screwed again.
Was all set to go Shawne Williams to Maxiell (or Telfair since that window didnt close) today.
Now theres this Beno thing, and Beno plus Shawne plus what I have in the bank gives me 4.21 for 2 players, that looks like fun. :(

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 08:08

Congrats Soulmen. We won TP2 by a thin margin. Something tells me the Hinrich pick up was decisive ;-)

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 08:21

Hadnt noticed that yet, congrats team.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 08:31

deejay, kind of sucks as the sole holder of Beno. Not sure what to tell you. I was at the game, but didn't see it happen. He was helped off the court, and I assumed he sprained an ankle, but apparently it was a kick to the leg. Rotoworld is " assuming " he is questionable for tonight.

I looked through the Sacramento paper, and what I posted in the injury thread is all I could find and looked on the Kings website as well.... nothing.

My guess is it isn't to bad, but, on the other hand, with three days off after today they might just sit him, with the hand thing and all. Pure speculation on my part. The hand thing.... wow where did that come from, totally ouy of the blue.

I have him on several teams and don't know what to do.

May put a cramp in all the Brewer => Beno plans for 12/23. May as well just hold Brewer IMO, no games are gained and the same move can be made a week later. Let the hand and leg heal fully. That could bode poorly for Beno making any cash back til 12/30.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 08:45

Indeed Dave, doesnt look too good. Thanks for the info.
I might go agressive today, Shawne and Beno have to go, Simple(unless Beno calls me to tell hes gonna play which is very unlikely), since I cant afford anything near decent with those 2 combined, I will have to throw in someone else.
So Kobe(that news is not that good either) or Kiri, will need to think long and deep about this situation.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 09:21

deejay, that's rough and tough. Can't you simply deal with Beno today and package Shawne with someone else later in the week to avoid being down to one trade on a Wednesday ? Shawne can't get worse money and point wise than he is already.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 09:26

deejay, just some food for thought. Maybe if you want to move Beno today, grab someone you can afford, and hold Shawne. Other than the fact he isn't playing, he won't cost much $, and maybe somehow he will find is way onto the court.

Then after Kobe's next 2 games pick up either Baron or SJ, depending on who you want from Shawne. I think both will be popular on the 22nd, and should be cheaper than they are now. Wade works also, but the GSW players can be held a while longer.

GSW plays 7-10 (11 counting New Years Day), followed by 2-6, then another 7-11, and with trades needed around the beginning of the year, you may want to hold through that 2-6. Wouldn't be the end of the world.

Might not be a bad idea, being that Kobe is dinged up.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 09:27

Gescom, you type faster than I do......

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 09:58

thanks for the ideas.
could indeed end up holding Shawne today.
Am in "drawing board-land" as were speaking.
What a tough day already.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 14:28

Yeah, congrats everyone for taking TP2 victory. Special acknowledgement to Gescom who was head and shoulders above everybody else this TP and thus compensated for the weak showing of your team captain. ;)

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 14:46

BTW, deejay I agree with Gescom and Dave that burning three today is not the way to go. Let's see what Shawne does before replacing a stress-free slot (which admittedly in the case of Shawne is also a TSNP-free slot) with another bust. I was looking at going Shawne>Maxiell myself but Maxiell is gonna be schooled by KG tonight so no hurry in picking him up. If Shawne continues to be Agent Zero TSNP we still can take action later on, we don't lose money worth mentioning.

Different story with Udrih however. I don't have him but I think he has to go everywhere, the sky will be falling for him the next few days (even more than it already has). So I'd also suggest to drop Beno for anybody today and sit tight with everybody else.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 04:44

Thanks for the props. Came back to earth alreadty with Surpise Tinsley no show.

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