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| Posted by: The Bandwagon
- Sustainer [479521116] Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 12:16
500 point lead after round 1, nice! Maybe it would have been better if your fearless leader had picked up Baron when everyone else did :(
I went the conservative route yesterday and took Boozer over the Suns 5 in 7. Hopefully I saved a valuable trade in doing so, and I can always pick up 2 games from that trade later in the season. |
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ID: 1733917
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 14:05
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Z has really killed me since Lebron went down. Averaging like 20 with 3 of 4 in the teens.
Tomorrow he and Kobe are gone to Howard and ??
my moves really arent working out well as they all leave gaps in the schedules (picking up Howard on a day he doesnt play, Kidd to Lebron on a day Lebron doesnt play)
I would have a little over 8 mill i think to be able to go to Lebron for the ?? i pick up. Not really seeing any one that stands out and i think i am again looking at an inefficient move (horford maybe?? or Ellis.
The alternative is to go back to the original plan and move Kobe to Wade and Wade to Lebron. To do this I would have to move kidd to free up some cash at the end of the week likely to Tinsley.
I think I like the wade option more but its riskier.
To compare the Lebron and Howard parts are irrelevant as I get them either way.
So its 4 Wade and then into Tinsley for 8 games thru christmas
or straight into say ellis for 10 games.
The two extra games and the higher averages make tis worth the extra trade right? Tinsley will alos make more money. Sortable stats put Tinsley 3rd for players i dont have and can afford through christmas. Artest is one ahead and I dont like the schedule and he cant be held as long. Also the 3 games I would gain for the one trade put tinsley ahead of Deron by over 50 points for the extra trade. Deron also leaves me less money for other players if they need to be traded and with a smaller window on the Kidd to James trade which i can evaluate tomorrow after price movers for a better estimate.
Is wade the way to go? can he average at least upper 30 for the 4 in 5? ive pretty much talked myself into either deron or wade and tinsley
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| | | 3 | JMISA
ID: 51115937
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 14:09
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damn dpr i was looking at your team stats on this boards and i was like wow this guy has crazy numbers then i checked the universal standings and u were #6 with like a 4 mill FV lead on everyone around you as well as 2 more traded then msot ppl ... you no doubt have the best team in the world right now
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| | | 4 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 14:33
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haha thx..yea this team definitely got off to a great start. well positioned to hold a top spot so I hope it happens
btw bandwagon u ahve 3 different accounts? muxt be a real pain
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| | | 5 | Blooki
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ID: 449292712
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 14:40
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What do you guys think of Sean Williams to Monta Ellis today?
Primary thoughts in my head:
- Calderon looks like a one week hold.
- Lebron looks like he won't be ready anytime soon so it seems pointless to leave free cash sitting around waiting for him to be ready.
- Lawrence Frank looks like he's going to wait until I sell Sean Williams before starting him so I might as well sell ASAP so Senator Urine can reap the rewards.
Any input guys?
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| | | 6 | Blooki
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ID: 449292712
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 14:47
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Re: #2
I'm not sure I understand your trade rotations correctly, but I feel like everybody should move on from Lebron for the time being. The news does not sound good at all and are we really going to be ready to buy in the very first game he plays? Considering his schedule, it doesn't sound like he'll demand buying until about Friday of next week at which point I'm sure a handful of other roster moves will crop up. I'm taking a position of putting Lebron on the backburner until I have a definitive information on when the correct time to buy is and then working my trade plans from there.
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| | | 7 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 15:16
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to clarify
Kobe and Z tomorrow to Howard and xx
xx can be Wade who transitions well into Lebron or Deron Williams for the long hold. Not enough money for boozer.
That leaves Kidd who has to go fairly soon. If i go Wade to Lebron then I move him to Tinsley on 12/10 or if I go williams I move him to Lebron on the same day. So in effect its the williams or the wade tinsley combo.
if wade plays well that where i want to be for points and money even with the extra trade. If wade strugles with a 4 in 5 then th points don't justify the extra trade but there will still be more money in tinsley I would think.
Now assuming I dont move into Lebron then Kidd can become anyone and I really doesn't change my plans much other than I would have more money available tomorrow (potentially enough for Boozer). have to see price movers for that one but I think that becomes Plan A if I have enough. i would prob still move Kidd for Tinsley but would have the option of holding or getting a more expensive player. If I don't have enough for boozer then I think I am in the same situation as before.
it really annoys me that Im likely going to be moving into 3 players the day before they play. i didnt really plan my moves out right
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| | | 8 | The Bandwagon@work
ID: 151118518
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 19:22
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Yes DaveR I got the login info, lol.
Yes DPR, I have 2 friends that mirror my moves.
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| | | 9 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 19:33
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Just dumped Kidd. If he plays I'm done sleeping permanently.
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| | | 10 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 20:21
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yea the kidd injury gave me alot of trouble.
really had to rush my decision and non of my initial plans worked. First decided that I would go to a pheonix player since which isnt a terrible move because they would be sold into Tinsley like kidd and I gain a game even if he wasnt hurt. A trade for a stud game...not awful....they were locked
plan B was go to Calderon and redo the rest of my plans with the extra cash....also locked wen i went to buy
Plan C was get Ming in a situation similar to the Phoenix guys but I already had two guys only center eligible.
Plan D was I was stuck with Mcgrady whos average really sint that high to justify the short pick up but didnt see many options and like MCgrady + Tinsley over the longer terms options like above where i was comparing wade + tinsley to Ellis.
At least this gaurentees that I will have cash to get Boozer tomorrow
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| | | 11 | Gary D
ID: 33117212
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 22:07
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Hope our 5 kidd owners got out....Way to go fellas on the first TP...
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| | | 12 | Pica
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ID: 161141312
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 22:26
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Unfortunately I didn't get out of Kidd. He's already locked when I woke up to the news (I live in Hong Kong which is 13 hours ahead of US Eastern time)
Not sure what to do yet, my team's been a mess since LBJ went down.
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| | | 13 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 22:32
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It's amazing what a no-win situation that Lebron sell was.
Garnett didn't produce and ended up losing a lot of money. Some of us (including me) moved him to Kidd, who now DNPs.
Kobe was average at best and many moved him to Kidd because of it.
And Dirk has been brutal.
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| | | 14 | The Bandwagon@work
ID: 151118518
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 22:50
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DPR, when you're good, your good. T-Mac with a 3D, Wow!
I got stuck with Kidd, and I'm without Baron. Say goodbye WWR 21!
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| | | 15 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 22:52
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BAndwagon what about 22, 23 24 25 ....31 32 33 34?
Yea for all the questioning i did today at least appears to have worked out right. In the short run at least
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| | | 16 | The Bandwagon
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ID: 479521116
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 01:35
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All the same
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| | | 17 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 08:38
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So Kidd wasn't actually sick, he was "sending a message" to the Nets. Guess that max contract wasn't enough.
God I loathe him.
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| | | 20 | The Bandwagon
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ID: 479521116
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 11:23
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Isn't it suppose to be Baron that sits out the unexpected game, and not Kidd? Just a week ago I went Kobe to Kidd to avoid going Kobe to Wade on 12/6. Now I'm debating whether or not to go Kidd to Wade today. If I do, then I used an extra trade to gain zero games!
Kidd needs to go today, and I can get Lebron from Wade on 12/11 or 12/14 depending on the news. If the news is bad, Wade could be held through 12/29.
The big question is, will Wade play through a 4 in 5? I haven't read anything on his knee in awhile, I assume its ok.
What does the team think? These are my options, and I'm fixing to leave for work to start a 12 hour shift. Rrrr
A) I can go Kidd to Wade today (see above)
B) I can go Kidd to Howard today and lose 2 Wade games.
C) I can get Deron, and forget Lebron.
Both A and B allow me to get Howard and Lebron. Plan C is with Howard and no Lebron.
Thanks
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| | | 21 | The Bandwagon
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ID: 479521116
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 11:30
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One more thing to add. With option B, I'm assuming Lebron will be back where I can swap Bogut for Lebron on 12/11, or 12/14.
Option B might be a little risky TSNP's wise.
No time to think, off to work.
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| | | 22 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 12:06
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20, 21 Bandwagon, granted Wade is somewhat of a risk. I watched his last game, and he looked very good. I have moved Kobe to Wade today. One risk I see in Wade TSNP wise, is that Miami is playing like crap, and anytime they are losing badly, Wade is likely to see limited minutes in the second half. Having said that, as Wade rounds into form he is absolutely a top 5 points performer, and has as good a schedule as any over the next 7, 14, 21 and 28 days. He should be a heavy buy today, and given the stength of schedule if he puts up a series of 40 TSNP games, could continue to be bought for a few weeks. As you pointed out option B hurts point wise, what about getting Wade from Kidd, and Howard from Bogut, and deal with Lebron who's injury status still is uncertain later on.
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| | | 23 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 14:24
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Bandwagon I was discussing the same situation earlier. I already have Howard so i didn't have that option but was deciding between Wade with a way into Lebron and Williams or another stud. I ended up having the money and flex to get boozer so not sure if my situation mirrors yours.
I still feel that If i had a few more trades I would have went to wade but with my short term TMAC pick last night I only have one unscheduled trade this week if I also have to move Wade early. So I opted to leave myself without the chance to get Lebron. If u have the trades to sell Wade early then I say go for it
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| | | 24 | Boomer
ID: 33031318
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 15:10
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I've got a dilema.
I've got 400K of room for moving into Howard and Udrih tomorrow (from Sean Williams and Harris and 4.86 M in the bank)
I'm worried that 400K may not be enough? I'd make the trade today, but I'd like to get Harris' game today......I'd appreciate any of your thoughts on tonights upcoming price movers:
- Any Sean Williams owners are likely ditching him(-120);
- There shouldn't be too many Harris owners that ditch him tonight, although I would have thought that yesterday as well (-80);
- Udrih will probably be one of, if not the Biggest price mover (+130)
- If people are moving Kobe or Kidd to Howard, he could also go up a fair bit (+80)
that's $410K and I'm screwed????????
Thoughts?
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| | | 25 | oshkoshbbosh
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 17:06
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Boomer,
leave these nice people alone. nobody cares about your dilemma.
I think you'll be fine.
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| | | 26 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 17:18
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Boomer,
Before I continue, I'm not very good at predicting price movement.
That being said, I think you overestimate the Sean Williams and Devin Harris losses and underestimate the Dwight Howard gain.
I think the more important thing to say is that while TSNP determine the winner of this game, TSND help you earn TSNP. If the swing is in fact 400K+ TSND tonight for the players involved, I would gladly throw away a Devin Harris game to lockdown that money.
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| | | 27 | The Bandwagon@work
ID: 151118518
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 19:12
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After hearing the news on Kidd today, I'm keeping him and going through with my plans. I'll have to ignore the $$ losses and hope he gets me two 3D's before turning into Howard later in the trade week.
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| | | 28 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 09:33
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I will make the likely popular Dirk => Howard move today. Howard has the same number of games as Dirk over the next two weeks. The $70K increase in Howard last night sets the train in motion. I am inclined to hold Louis Williams for now. Although he may leak a few more $, I don't think I can replace his production at that price, seeing that I already have Moon, Udrih, Brewer. That leaves me 2 trades to look at Boozer, LBJ, Tinsley later in the week from any combo of Marion, Amare and Wade. I'll watch the next few games to see who produces, as none have to be sold, although each may see a sell off after their respective 4 in 5's.
I watched the Miami game last night, and Wade's definitely a bit rusty. But given 42.5 and one dime short of a 3D, if he regains his form shortly, he may be a hold. Perhaps the regular 50 TSNP nights may not be too far off, we'll see over his next 3 games.
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| | | 30 | JMISA
ID: 51115937
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 11:51
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BLOOKI
your recent rotation twist (not what i was expecting) gives your team a big advantage over mine now for the next upcoming week. Myabe the Kidd injury made you change it up early.
I'm assuming your going to go Amare > Boozer soon and as of the way my rotation was going to work out after theis week's trades that would leave me rasheed + tinsley vs. your ellis + boozer.
I def would get killed the next 2 weeks with that so thanks to you im going to waste another trade to come up with a different combo ! =P
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| | | 31 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 12:34
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I had a rotation twist?
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| | | 32 | The Bandwagon
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ID: 479521116
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 15:46
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What's everyone doing about Howard tonight? I could get him from Bogut, but I think I'll stick to my plans of going Kidd to Howard on 12/10, and Bogut to Deron or Lebron which I've almost ruled out on 12/11.
This plans nets me 28 more points vs Bogut to Howard tonight, Kidd to ?? on 12/12. That's assuming Howard puts up 55 TSNP's tonight.
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| | | 33 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 15:52
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Went Dirk to Howard. Howard should have his way with a mediocre Indiana D, and could be today's top price mover. Aside from Lebron, pre injury, Howard has arguably been the next most consistent points performer. Welcome back DH.
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| | | 34 | Pica
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ID: 161141312
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 18:48
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Howard's back for me as well. Sorry to see Dirk go... NOT!!!
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| | | 35 | Gary D
ID: 33117212
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 20:52
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Howard for me also....
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| | | 36 | The Bandwagon
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ID: 479521116
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 21:22
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It looks like it will take 2 Kidd games to match Howard's TSNP's for tonight. If I'd traded Kidd last night for Howard, Kidd would've punished me with two 3D's.
Those smart decisions never work out for me it seems.
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| | | 37 | The Bandwagon
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ID: 479521116
Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 23:04
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Rudy Gay making a strong case to stay on my team through the holidays and beyond.
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| | | 39 | Gary D
ID: 33117212
Sat, Dec 08, 2007, 23:22
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I know utah has that great schedule comin up but growing real thin on AK47...and i have NBA package so i get to see all games...He plays scared sometimes....Have enough $$ to upgrade to baron, who i dropped for wade and planned to go rite back but think i might ride wade out for a minute.i know when drop Ak47 hes going to go for 88 but it just seems he doesnt play the same with boozer in linup..
.any thoughts or suggestions welcome....please...
could pull the trigger tmrw....
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| | | 40 | The Bandwagon
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ID: 479521116
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 00:58
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That looks like a decent idea Gary. Its not like you're trading AK-47 for someone who can't have a big game.
Since Lebron isn't an option, I can go AK-47 to Baron tomorrow also, Kidd to Howard on the 10th, and Bogut to Deron on the 11th.
I really didn't want 4 Jazz on my team, and Ak-47 to Baron solves that problem.
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| | | 42 | The Bandwagon
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ID: 479521116
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 11:06
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With the recent Lebron news, I'm skipping post 40 plans. It's back to Bogut to Lebron on the 11th, and Kidd to Dwight tomorrow. I'll probably hold AK-47 he's not a must sell unless you can upgrade, or want to avoid the 150K loss.
Monta Ellis looks like an option, but he can put up stink bombs also. Unless we're desperate for a 300K swing the next 2 days, In my opinion it's better to hold AK-47 unless you have a plan like Gary D.
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| | | 43 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 15:46
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ok i want to get rid of AK as he is going to lose money and isnt producing all that well. Not sure where to go. Monta may be an option but I dont really see that gaining points unless Ak maintains his low production.
Any ideas where to go?
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| | | 44 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 15:53
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I think tinsley is the popular choice dpr
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| | | 45 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 15:58
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Intruder
Also after the Gun Story?
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| | | 46 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 16:29
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well Tinsley has two days off and I am already planning to move into him from TMAC so thats not an option.
I dont currently have a way into James so maybe I could figure out something to help with that. I could go cheap (5 millish) from AK then move TMAC to James skipping Tinsley. should the shooting incident effect Tinsley?
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| | | 47 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 16:36
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don't really see how it would. could be that the lack of options is a sign that AK doesn't have to go. would going to TMac free up enough cash to go from AK to James on 12/13?
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| | | 48 | Gary D
ID: 33117212
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 17:02
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I agree w qwert.Shooting should have no effect....and i believe his trial was delayed also..
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| | | 49 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 17:08
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i already have TMAC so im not sure what ure asking. U mean that if I trade TMAC to tinsley then have enough to go AK to Lebron? Id be about 1.5 mill short of this.
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| | | 50 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 17:12
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yes, that's what i meant. sorry.
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| | | 51 | Gary D
ID: 33117212
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 17:20
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I think im gonna hold off till 14th to get LBJ...would like to see him play one game with that finger and concerned about hughes being back. Not that hughes is anything but they seem to run him at point more....after he was injured was that stretch of trip dubs from lebron i believe...only 1 before hughes injury...Now dont get me wrong, he will be on my team on 14th and he is a MUST have for ALL team bandwagon....
Now that i rationilize my thinkin im sure he will get 106 pts tuesday and burn me...
Thoughts??
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| | | 52 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 17:26
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I have no idea how to get him tho.
guess will go from baron but he has been so good himself. It gains one game plus obviously the higher production but Barons schewdule and production is just so good. Be nice to find the money to make the move from Jackson so that would mean adding another cheapie
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| | | 53 | The Bandwagon
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ID: 479521116
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 17:28
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DPR, like I suggested in post 42, unless you're upgrading to a Wade, Baron, Deron, Lebron, trading AK-47 today would be for the extra 300K the next 2 days, and not points.
With 66 million, you can afford a price hit IMO.
Here's a nice fact:
Everytime managers have started selling AK-47 this season, he has responded with huge games.
After his first sell-off on 11/5 AK-47 puts up 27, 56.5, 56, 46.5, 53.
After his sell-off on 11/27 AK-47 puts up 28, 88.5, 39.
I've got the trades to dump him, but I'm sticking with him, and hopefully the trend.
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| | | 54 | Gary D
ID: 33117212
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 17:44
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Same thought here dpr....Lookin for way to use jackson to get LBJ...made enough $$ on him and his 33 avrg over a month is just ok...
Maybe Amare- bynum then jackson- lebron...Really havnt punched #s yet, just some thoughts,,,which im sure will change a 1000 times...
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| | | 55 | The Bandwagon
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ID: 479521116
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 17:48
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Congrads to Pica, Gary, and To3ball with the Wade pick-up. I now wish I had the guts to go Kidd to Wade a few days ago.
Post 53 was some interesting useless information. It will be interesting to see what happens ;)
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| | | 56 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Dec 09, 2007, 18:38
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I have decided to hold Wade, and forego Deron. My route to Lebron has me moving Marion, Amare, AK47 and Louis Williams to Boozer, Tinsley, Bogans and LBJ. My window is relatively small ($60K) and may not hold. It would require moving AK47 to Tinsley today, and hoping Lebron's price doesn't jump too much before 12/13 and that Amare/Marion/Louis bleed less than Boozer and Bogans over the next 2 days. If the window closes, I may have to move Moon instead of Williams. It may be time to take the gains on Jamario anyway. What are the rest of you thinking regarding Moon and Kirilenko who we all have.
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| | | 57 | The Bandwagon
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ID: 479521116
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 00:03
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Wow, Dwight up 210k! Did everyone look at the schedule wrong? That completely surprised me.
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| | | 58 | Blooki
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ID: 449292712
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 00:05
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Sun => Dwight seemed like a no-brainer that had been talked about for a week now.
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| | | 59 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 00:44
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the one i find surprising is mike redd up 80K. just don't think I'd ever really consider him at that price. i guess it's the back to back.
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| | | 60 | Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 01:30
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Well, it's time to pack up the computer and drive across the country. I'll be back in two weeks, Blooki's going to be handling my team for me while I'm gone. A few nights I may be able to get internet access and make a post or two, but in general I'm going to be pretty out of the loop. Good luck guys, talk to you in a couple weeks.
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| | | 62 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 11:25
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I used trade undo last night cancelling AK47 to Tinsley. The lost $$ has blown my window on the previous trade plan. I have Kirilenko, Amare and Marion to move, with Tinsley, Boozer and James coming on board. I need to find another $900 - $1M somewhere. Moon or Brewer to Bogans may provide the answer, although I'd prefer to hold them. If I had to forego one of the acquisitions, it may be Tinsley, but I think I need to get Lebron. Thoughts would be appreciated.
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| | | 63 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 11:33
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Moving Kaman to Aldridge would give me the money, probably worth considering.
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| | | 64 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 12:12
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Well got to figure out how to get Lebron. Looking at my roster Ideally I would be able to get him from SJAX but to do this I would have to free up another 2 million. The only options for to free up the cash would be AK and Kaman. Considering the Kaman to Bynum move which I ahve seen mentioned In other GMD threads which should lose about 30-40 points but if Kaman bleeds all week while Bynum gains could potentially be worth it even if I didnt have a plan for the extra money. AK and Kaman probably project to about the same points and since AK can be held longer and is less likely to bleed moving Kaman seems more logical unless a forward or guard option greatly exceeds Bynum.
Tothreeball that same move could work for you as i dont really see aldridge as a good option right now
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| | | 65 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 15:39
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Thanks dpr, a good suggestion, I'll have a look at it tonight.
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| | | 66 | Blooki
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ID: 449292712
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 16:50
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I'm having a very hard time figuring out a good way to get Lebron for my teams and am wondering if by squeezing in 4 studs (Baron, Wade, Boozer and Dwight) I can compete w/ the 3 stud including Lebron teams.
What do you guys think of skipping Lebron?
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| | | 67 | Gary D @ work
ID: 44650614
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 17:21
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Thought entered my mind also blooki...Kinda waiting to see how he plays tmrw before deciding..
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| | | 68 | Blooki
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ID: 449292712
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 17:24
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Moon => Travis Outlaw.
Discuss.
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| | | 69 | Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 17:26
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Gutsy ;)
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| | | 70 | dpr
ID: 811401017
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 18:41
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who says Lebron is one of 3 studs?
but yea hius schedule is short enough that while it will hurt to not ahve him u can't sacrifice everything to get him
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| | | 71 | Blooki
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ID: 449292712
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 18:46
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Re: 70
The guy w/ $3mil less TSND than you, that's who. ;)
I think that for the majority of managers if Lebron is aboard you're going to only be able to carry three studs.
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| | | 72 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 20:05
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Looks like I will be missing Wade though which kinda hurts with his recent production. A possibility is Baron to Wade but this doesnt gain any games until Christmas and Baron is has been producing at healthy Wade numbers. How much money to you think would be made by making the switch soon? I am considering it for wade's dense christmas schedule but if there is going to be huge money swings might be worth making the trade early. Is wade back to normal?
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| | | 73 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 20:22
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more jokingly then anything I looked for a way to Wade that didnt involve Baron and discovered if I went to Outlaw instead of TInsley I could go AK to Wade. Now i really dont think this is a viable option but I could see it being effective pointwise if wade produces well. (Outlaw gets 5 less per game while Wade beats AK by more than that.) Since it uses an extra trade and is clearly the riskier move there is no way im doing. Plus the extreme barbell roster ramifications.
But it did make me realize that Outlaw does look like an attractive option out of Moon like Blooki said. Recently Outlaw has been outproducing Moon so its good for points and moneywise I may be forced to make the move soon anyways y not be ahead of the curve? especially if Blooki is making the move x10. If in the next back 2 back Moon produces sub 20 I will wish I had made the move while if he produces 25 plus I will be glad I held. What u guys think will happen?
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| | | 74 | Gary D
ID: 33117212
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 22:22
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Wade is back but selling baron is crazy....Like gettin him through Ak though..
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| | | 75 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 22:28
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if it means a roster like this
LEbron
WAde
Howard
Boozer
davis all 10+mill
then Bynum
and four cheapies
Udrih
Brewer
Moon or whoever
Outlaw
might be alright pointwise but coul leave me hurting for money if i cant get into midpriced trains and some of those guys start to have to go (moon)
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| | | 76 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 22:33
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Re: 75
Wow... a 5-studder. I'd be tempted to do it just to see how far ahead that pulls you.
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| | | 77 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 22:38
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OK who likes Tinsley. Now that he's met with the Pacer's brass and isn't going to miss any games due to his latest "poor" decision, I'm thinking of picking him up from Kirilenko tonight before the freeze. Comments if anyone is around.
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| | | 78 | Gary D
ID: 33117212
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 22:39
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Gonna be hard to pull off but im trying to pull it except with Dwilliams instead of boozer.
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| | | 79 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 22:41
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Re: 77
I went Kirilenko => Tinsley last night myself. Tonight, I think the move is more marginal because you've already missed some of the money swing. That being said, I would probably still do the move today if you can't find a better plan for your roster/trade situation. I think you need to make up some RV on the field so you can keep up with the pack.
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| | | 80 | Gary D
ID: 33117212
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 22:42
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Bye bye AK
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| | | 81 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 22:46
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Looking at dpr's suggestion of Bynum from Kaman, I could take Deron over Tinsley, and have LBJ, Howard, Wade and Boozer
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| | | 83 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 23:00
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Under the time gun ... went with Tinsley, $2M less could be used elsewhere if I need to upgrade a cheapie.
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| | | 84 | Gary D
ID: 33117212
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 23:01
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Yea ok BUT Its also last of a 4 in 5 on the west coast. I think their a lil tired...
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| | | 85 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 23:57
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alright so I want this 5 stud thing to work so I am crunching the numbers. See tinsley has averaged 40 over the last month so likely not good.
Going through christmas eve...
Tinsley 8x40=320
AK 6x36= 216
536
Wade 6x45=270
Outlaw 7x30=210
480
so this plan uses an extra trade and loses points. no thx. Tinsley is just to good to be skipped it seems. So looks like Wade won't be an option for me until christmas
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| | | 86 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 00:13
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Not to suggest that the 5 stud roster is indeed better, but I think 40 TSNP/g for Tinsley and 36 TSNP/g for Kirilenko are both rather generous.
I haven't looked at Tinsley's numbers that closely, but I feel that everybody would agree that he isn't expected to maintain last month's numbers for the remainder of the season.
As for Kirilenko, if you take out his 88.5 (which I think is reasonable to do because of the absences of Boozer and Okur) his season average drops down to about 34 TSNP/g.
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| | | 87 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 00:21
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yea I guess those could be high estimates. Tinsley has been averaging over 40 the past 2 weeks tho. I feel I was generous with Outlaw and wade too. Using 34 and 35 for tinsley the tinsley AK option outpoints but only by 6 points. Not sure how the price swings will go but Wade and Tinsley are both set to make a lot whereas outlaw probably wont see to much movement with a lot of what he might gain being eliminated if i hold through christmas. It was a fun idea but I dont think we are quite at the point with our roster values to high enough to have 5 studs as it pretty much eliminates all mid priced options.
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| | | 89 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 00:23
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meant to say over 45 the last 2 weeks
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| | | 90 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 00:53
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I've already preached this to the Wolf pack...and been proven wrong so far, but Tinsley's high TSNP average over the last 4 years is 32.4/game (and only over 40 games). His career average is 27/game.
I am highly considering getting him, but I think he should be seen as a hot player who is going to make money...but who may very well come down to earth and see big sells around Christmas if his performance doesn't continue...which it certainly won't all season. He has never averaged close to 36/game. He's always had big game potential, but he's always countered that with bust potential.
Anyway, not sure where my pre-occupation with Tinsley comes from, but for some reason I feel the need to warn people...though there's a good chance I won't even listen to my own advice.
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| | | 92 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 10:18
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I'm probably going to go:
Wade > Deron today
tomorrow, Horford > Bynum
And on Thursday, depends no how LBJ played in tonight's game, go Kaman > LBJ or Wade.
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| | | 93 | The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 12:28
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I beleive I'm going Bogut to Deron tonight, and I'll get Lebron from Kaman or AK-47 on the 13th.
I'm going to stay with my theme of avoiding injury prone players when possible, so I'm not making plans for Wade or Tinsley. So far this season, injury prone players have held up (Baron, AK-47).
Avoiding Tinsley is bringing back horrible memories of 5-6 seasons ago when I didn't pick Tinsley up, and he went on a 20 assist per game stretch for 3-5 games. Does anyone else remember that?
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| | | 94 | qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 12:30
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I remember that...his rookie season I think...and I was also left out in the cold
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| | | 95 | The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 13:13
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Looking back on the decision of which player to take on 12-4, Marion or Boozer, here are the results from 12-4 thru 12-10.
Marion- 207 TSNP's, $0 gained
Boozer- 129 TSNP's, $500K gained
Marion 78 more TSNP's
Boozer $500K more, and 1 saved trade.
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| | | 96 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 13:32
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I remember the Tinsley run his rookie season. I had him at the time, and I believe one nationally televised game, he had around, maybe over 90 TSNP.
I have Marion and Stoudamire. One will move tonight to Boozer, the other will become Lebron on 12/13. Phoenix plays Utah tomorrow. Which Sun do you think is the better hold for the two days, based on TSNP for the Utah game, and potential $$$ losses. On the surface Amare vs Okur seems a more enticing match up as opposed to Marion vs Boozer.
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| | | 97 | JMISA
ID: 51115937
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 14:52
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Intruder
question for Senator Urine and Gary Dotson
Are you guys holding tour Phoenix players (because it says u have 0 trades)
or have u already traded them last night after freeze but the GMD spreadsheet reflects last night's frozen roster yet it shows your current trades?
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| | | 98 | SU in Redding
ID: 911341117
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 20:31
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I'm having an issue, what do you guys think about this:
I could move Marion to Boozer now, but that makes getting into Wade very difficult - it would mean either selling Baron or selling Ellis (who I just got from Kidd, and it can't be Jackson because he's at forward), and either hold Udrih through the week or go tradeless. Realistically, Udrih will probably start losing for those two nights off, and I don't know if he's a long term hold with Bibby due back at some point (and the fact that he's gained about a million in a week).
My other option is skipping Boozer, hope he's subpar, and go with Marion, Udrih, and Moon into Wade, Rudy Gay, and Turkoglu/Dorrell Wright. This would leave me with one trade should I need to get out of anyone (aka Jackson?) mid-week.
So:
A) Marion to Boozer, Moon and Ellis for Wade and Dorell Wright. One trade for emergency / Udrih midweek.
Studs: Wade, Boozer, Baron, Dwight
B) Marion to Boozer, Baron to Wade and Moon to Gay. One trade for emergency / Udrih midweek.
Studs: Wade, Boozer, Dwight
C) Skip Boozer, go Marion and Moon and Udrih to Wade, Gay, and Turkoglu/Dorrell. Emergency trade for someone / Jackson.
Studs: Wade, Baron, Dwight
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| | | 99 | SU in Redding
ID: 911341117
Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 20:58
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I used the "what looks good now, things can change tomorrow" approach and went with Marion to Boozer. It may not look that way due to technical issues, I was only able to do the move on one team and I'm not even sure if it went through. I emailed escalation@sportingnews.com to do the swap for me.
Blooki, I'll call you Thursday morning to let you know whether to sell Ellis or Baron or even skip Wade (probably not). I'll make a split second decision then, I'm not going to waste Vegas.
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| | | 100 | SU in Redding
ID: 171158127
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 09:02
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I had a dream Ellis had 10 assits and racked up 45.5 TSNP, but instead I've woken up this. I guess it's probably more clear as to which Warrior Blooki will be moving to Wade tomorrow. Kaman, Ellis, and Moon for Bynum, Wade, and D.Wright is looking pretty nice right now. The only downside is no Rudy Gay (the player I really want), and possibly having to hold Udrih all week.
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| | | 101 | SU in Redding
ID: 171158127
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 09:11
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Blooki, if you're going to be around at gametime and Moon is out for whatever reason, could you move him to Bynum for me? I'll call you from the road later today.
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| | | 102 | SU in Redding
ID: 171158127
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 09:55
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This is a nightmare, escalation correctly put Boozer on the two teams I was having technical issues with, but I incorrectly didn't get the price swing or his stats. I emailed them, hopefully they get it fixed in time...
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| | | 104 | The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 11:57
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SU, Wright is always in and out of Riley's doghouse, does that not concern you? I haven't read anything on him that says he's solidified in the rotation.
Looking at possible cheapie replacements for Moon, Brewer? Beno? it's pretty scary. I'm going to hold Moon tonight, and then decide tomorrow whether to keep or sell.
I really want to keep Beno regardless, but I'm lacking in $$ so taking the profit may prevail.
I'm also holding AK-47 tonight for one last chance. If he puts up a dud, then he turns into Bynum.
Kaman or SJ will turn into James or Wade tomorrow also.
Holding Rudy Gay from the 1st day of the season has been my best move so far this season. His slot has saved me a few much needed trades.
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| | | 105 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 14:22
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Ok definitely some tough decisions coming up. Kirilenko, Kaman, Moon, Davis, Jackson, Udrih, and Brewer all may have to be moved this week. For now Udrih and Brewer go to the backburner but will be tough if they do have to be moved. Think I am pretty set on holding Davis at this point to as too much else to deal with.
Tomorrow I could potentially (likely?) sell the other 4. Worst part is all of these guys ahve good schedules and my trades wont be gaining games. The original plan was to go Kaman/Jackson to Bynum/wade/lebron. Now however it looks like Kiri will almost for sure have to be moved. I could simply replace him for jackson who point wise at least seems holdable and then have a good deal of money to deal with Moon (3.5 if I go Lebron, 5.5 if i go wade). If i move jackson as well as kiri its possible to fit in wade and lebron if I pass bynum and i find a cheap center and a cheap replacement for moon (~4 mill between the 2)
So I guess questions are
1) if i hold jackson how bad will his losses be?
2) wats better wade/gay or lebron/ telfair, wright, smith etc (im leading wade/gay tho if i also move jackson I can get gay give myself better 3rd player options)
3) assuming im gunna have wade wats better: Bynum/gay/jackson or Lebron/telfair/cheap center?
So with the full slate tonight and the players I am looking at off tonight I guess I am holding for a day. RV could take a hit and ill likely lose my top spot
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| | | 106 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 14:28
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I realized if i pick up wade any cheap options I pick up would have to be forwards
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| | | 107 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 14:49
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* Intruder *
dpr - FWIW, I'm looking at a pretty similar deal. My top RV team has the cash to go Calderon/Kaman/Moon to Wade/Bynum/Gay by $350k. I feel good that the window will hold tonight. I really like that setup, especially since only a chosen few can afford it.
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| | | 108 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 14:50
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I have 4 trades, with 2 of them slated for Marion/Kaman to LBJ/Bynum. I still have Louis Williams who I like, and Philly plays tonight. I don't know if he will miss another game, I won't be around gametime, and deciding whether or not to move him to Bogans. Louis has already bled a lot, I'm not sure after tonight how much more there will be. Bogans can be a good hold as well, and will make some $$$, but I'm not thrilled with having only one trade after tomorrow. Udrih and Moon are also on my squad, who are potential sell offs in the near term. Any thought would be appreciated.
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| | | 109 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 15:15
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unless moon really steps up tonight I really think you are going to have to move him. Tough with williams tho since he is injured and you cant go tradeless. I guess just hope williams will be ready to play
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| | | 110 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 16:13
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I'm not overly concerned with the loss of 15 - 25 TSNP if Williams doesn't play tonight. I would think most of the Williams $$$ losses are behind, maybe another $100-$200K over the next few days. In the long run, I think he will continue to be a decent producing cheapie. If Moon throws up a dud tonight, the sell off may start. The $$$ losses from Moon will be greater than those from Louis so I'm inclined to hold Williams tonight and keep the trade. It is also getting near the witching time of the season where the injury bug starts to bite, so sitting with 1 trade on Friday isn't very appealing.
As an aside, I picked up Moon, Williams and Blatche relatively early, with low ownership hoping to be able to stash them away long term. Haywoods injury and a couple of big games put Blatche front and center, and I ultimately sold in an effort to maintain RV. Williams picked up some Korver minutes, produced well and similar situation. Aside from $$$, there is no way I'd sell Moon either. I don't own either SJax or Baron, and the chatter of moving them now to avoid losses seems to be an unfortunate reality of this game, but seems a shame given their schedule and production. Filling the roster with high ownership players is a double edge sword, great moving up, but eventually it seems managers can end up with more players to move than they have trades. The ability to manage that balance seems to be what seperates the dpr's from the tothreeball's. dpr, awesome job with your squad.
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| | | 111 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 17:46
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Intruder Species:
I looked at your roster in the FV standings if that is where u are making that move. If also move for that 3some than we will have identical rosters. So that a good thing or a bad thing?
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| | | 112 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 18:16
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Well.....that's a good question. I guess it would be BAD for me if I want to make up ground! lol
And yes, that's the only team that could afford that roster. I really like how that team comes together.
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| | | 113 | SU in Fresno
ID: 5211511218
Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 20:03
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Well, the player I really want is Rudy Gay, but because of the Ellis injury and everything that snowballed down from that Kidd "migraine", I think I have to settle for Dorell Wright. He started off shaky, but I think Riley believes in him. Last year he had Riley's support and was playing great, but then Rothstein took over and benched him for Kapono. Now that Penny has been waved and Wade is back to himself, I think Dorell should be good to go. With cheapies at this point I like going for guys who can be explosive, even if at other times they can stink. He's one of the few players in the league capable of putting up a 5x5.
If Ellis is officially out tonight (and if no one is at this computer), I'll lock in Bynum tonight.
After tomorrow's big swaps, I'll have only one trade and the heavily owned Baron, Jackson, Udrih, and Brewer to deal with. I really feel Baron and Jackson can be holds until January - they'll see some hits at times, but the schedule is so good and they produce so well that after one or two nights, they all of a sudden look like the best options. Can't sell every player that's going to see a money hit I guess. I guess I'll have to take things as they come with the other two, unfortunately I won't have enough money to move either to Gay.
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| | | 114 | SU in Fresno
ID: 481143137
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 08:58
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Blooki, I just sold Kaman and Moon for Wade and Wright, so hopefully you won't have to do anything. If it's announced for some reason that someone's out and you can't get in touch with me, you can go ahead and undo the moves and make the decision. Call me if anything stupid happens.
One trade left, 980k in the bank:
Baron, Wade, Tinsley, Udrih
Boozer, Jackson, Wright, Brewer
Howard, Bynum
Mid-week maybe I'll go tradeless and dump Udrih somehow. Ugh. Everything stemming from that Kidd situation just completely sunk my team.
Should I lose my mind and go tradeless today and move Jackson to Gay? Probably not...
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| | | 115 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 09:05
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Like the rest of everybody I am torn with my team. Kaman is the guy that need to go the most so Kaman > Wade seems like a no brainer to me. But the rest becomes difficult.
I think out of them AK becomes the most holdable giving his decent performance last night, good sked behind him and Okur injury.
Moon is the most alarming of the bunch. 22 tsnp from last night isn't great, but isn't horrible either. He did just enough to keep us on the fence. But the important I take from his last game is his minutes. He only played 3 less minutes than Bosh and Humphries don't have a career game every night.
Baron will see a lot of selling pressure as it's many people's way into Kobe/LBJ/Wade.
I'm thinking about Jax/Baron/Kaman > Wade/Kobe/Gay and left with 2 trades but that means holding guys like AK, Brewer, Moon and Udrih.
Out of the 3 cheapies, the danger level probably is Moon, Udrih, and Brewer.
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| | | 117 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 10:11
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The permutations are endless it's driving me insane. I don't recall such a difficult decision with so much consequences in the last two seasons. Basically I've narrowed the choices down to 3:
a. Kaman/Baron/Jax > Kobe/Wade/Gay
b. Kaman/Jax/Moon > Wade/Gay/Wright
c. Kaman/Moon > Wade/Gay
Any comments would be helpful. It's driving me nuts.
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| | | 118 | The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 10:37
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The money move is B. The smart move is probably C. No need to trade the awesome man of steele Baron Davis.
Jax will get sold today and the 18th, if you can stomach that, he's a hold.
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| | | 119 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 12:21
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I've moved Marion/Kaman/Moon => Lebron/Bynum/Dorell. Already have Wade, so I think I'm good for the week.
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| | | 120 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 13:07
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ok i am moving Kaman/moon to wade/gay/bynum.
Yesterday the third guy i was going to move was going to be kirilenko but now I am leading towards jackson. I feel kirilenko should be able to Jackson and is less risk to lose money. However he would leave me with 1 mill less to deal with udrih/brewer should they have to go. Luckily I will also have 3 trades left.
So sell kirilenko or jackson?
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| | | 121 | Gary D @ work
ID: 44650614
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 13:33
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Dpr...Id sell jackson....Any team thoughts on kobe or lebron?? can go either way....
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| | | 122 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 13:38
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so since pryzbilla looks more attractive (apparently Aldridge abscence is helping) now I can go to him instead of Bynum which frees up enough to get wade and Lebron but also couldnt afford gay so would need a forward less than 2.5 where I dont see anyone attractive.
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| | | 123 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 14:39
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As I look at it, I could replace Bynum/Dorell with Pryz/Gay. Any preferences?
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| | | 124 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 22:57
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I went for B, as Captain puts it, the money move. Then after Wright's suspected injury. I held of Jax > Gay, maybe going Wright > Gay tomorrow. I'm gonna take my shots with Jax.
This really blows.
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| | | 125 | The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Fri, Dec 14, 2007, 01:28
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Sorry team, I had a bad day at the office.
I went Kaman/SJax/Moon to Kobe/Bynum/Telfair
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| | | 126 | Gary Dotson
Donor
ID: 571057216
Fri, Dec 14, 2007, 01:36
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I went the lebron route....also bynum and gay..Looks like aldridge is going to play on monday. would check on that,,,and POR is a very short term hold....Hope no one bought wright tonite..
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| | | 127 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Fri, Dec 14, 2007, 08:15
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Sorry... Wright victim here.
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| | | 128 | SU in Vegas
ID: 341146147
Fri, Dec 14, 2007, 09:26
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Did Rothstein coach for Riley last night? Ugh. I feel like giving up.
On the bright side, I'm up a whopping $4 after two hours of poker. It's time to go lose 50.
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| | | 130 | The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Fri, Dec 14, 2007, 11:00
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Rrrr, Pat Riley!! We have 3 Wright owners, and two of the owners down to one trade.
I was worried about Wright back in post 104 because of Riley's love/hate relationship with Wright. I didn't want to voice my opinion too much because I've been dead wrong on Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson this year.
On the bright side, Riley could play Wright 40 mins tonight. That's how Riley seems to work this season. I wouldn't worry about Wright too much until he plays another game or two.
Maybe treat Wright like Soulman is with Shawne Williams, take what you can get, and ignore that slot until you build up some trades.
I like the way my team is set-up, so hopefully I can start carrying my weight on this team, and give us a boost during this bad stretch.
Hang in there SU, this is just a bump in the road for you. Ye shall overcome.... ;)
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| | | 131 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Fri, Dec 14, 2007, 11:42
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I have Wright, not concerned with the game to game fluctuation for now. Seeing that he just escaped gravity, ownership is low and that many of his owners picked him up yesterday, I don't see him as a major decision this week.
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| | | 132 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Fri, Dec 14, 2007, 12:25
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I read the game recaps on both Miami local papers and not a single mention of Wright. Don't know if that's good news or not.
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| | | 133 | Gary Dotson
Donor
ID: 571057216
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 01:18
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BD...Think Kobe strained his groin in game last nite. He finished the game but took they him out for defensive purposes at end,they said he couldnt really move lateraly...Id check into...
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| | | 134 | SU in Flagstaff
ID: 45119150
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 08:39
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Well it looks like Jackson's already lost a good chunk, so he's definitely a "hold forever" candidate now. Last night's pricemovers were absolutely absurd.
Since Udrih plays today, no moves for me. This may be the last time I have internet access for a few days, so Blooki, tomorrow could you go Udrih to Outlaw for me? It seems to make the most sense out of possible moves. That will leave me tradeless for the week unfortunately, but I think I have to do it to keep moving forward. I'll call you from the road tomorrow. If any stupid news comes out today, could you call me and leave a message? I may not be getting service the whole day because I'm going to the Grand Canyon.
Wright's a hold I think, as someone said in an earlier post in some thread yesterday, he's cheap, he broke gravity, he's a GF, the schedule is great, and he's only had one atrocious game. I'll take what I can get from him, he's going for 80 tonight.
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| | | 136 | The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 12:04
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I've purposely avoided Baron, Wade, and Tinsley all season because they are prone to injuries. I took Kidd from Kobe a week and half ago to avoid getting Wade for his 4 in 5. Kidd DNP's, and Wade averages about 50 per game during the 4in5.
Now I take Kobe instead of Wade, and it now looks as if Kobe could sit at anytime. The guys I have avoided have probably averaged a combined 45 TSNP's per game, and missed ZERO games during the stretches I purposely avoided them.
I thought I was all set up for a run with the surplus of trades, but now I may have to use the trades to deal with injuries.
Another funny story. Mrs Bandwagon can't stand Kidd or Kobe due to the domestic problems with Kidd, and Kobe's rape case from past years. Everytime time I mention trading for one of them, she always says "You know I don't like him".
If only I'd listen to her 100% of the time!
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| | | 137 | Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 12:21
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INTRUDER
If you don't listen to the oracle then don't complain :)
Which option has Mrs Bandwagon preference ?
1: Moon-Maxiell, hold Udrih
2: Moon-Humphries, hold Udrih
3: Moon-Outlaw and Udrih-Telfair
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| | | 138 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 13:37
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im impressed u can talk to ure wife about fantasy sports
ok so when I move udrih (have the trades) I dont have the money to upgrade really so does anyone see an option better than maxiell? kinda like telfair but doesnt fit well schedule wise. also getting a forward allows me to pick up udrih from brewer in a week which for now is the plan. if i get a guard then all my spots will be full. so maxiell?
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| | | 139 | Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 13:43
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Is Brewer even going to make the week to triangle back into Udrih?
I'm currently scrambling to see who I can replace Brewer with as early as tomorrow.
17.5, 14.5, 18.5, 9, 23 in his last 5 tells me the end is nearer than we think.
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| | | 140 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 13:59
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yea he definitely should be a sell candidate but for some reason others are seeing more larger price drops than him. Guess i was hoping that with the others who seem to need to go first and the lack of alternatives he could be held. Would hate to have to move Udrih and brewer with no cash in the bank.
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| | | 141 | The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 17:14
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Gescom, Mrs Bandwagon said she liked Outlaw, and that will probably be the best choice because I think I'm going to avoid him.
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| | | 143 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 11:10
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One trade left, comtemplating selling Beno, although up to a few days ago I was a steadfast holder. My RV is low relative to the group, and Beno => Telfair/Outlaw would be a solid RV move. We have 6 Beno's on the squad, what are the thoughts. Bandwagon, what does Mrs. BW think of Telfair vs Outlaw.
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| | | 144 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 13:33
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ok so not enouygh money for outlaw and i slept to late to get maxiell. wat do i do with udrih? with 3 trades I figure I dont need to be holding. Brewers game alst night also increases the likelyhood of being able to triangle back. Is selling AK and getting Outlaw and xx a good idea?
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| | | 145 | dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 13:45
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if i go to a gaurd like telfair then my gaurds are locked up and i have no idea where I will go from brewer but maybe thats ok.
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| | | 146 | The Bandwagon
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ID: 479521116
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 14:14
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tothreeball, Mrs. Bandwagon said Telfair.
My plans were Beno to Calderon, but my window closed last night. I really don't want Outlaw, but I guess I'll do it for a $$ move and hopefully he continues to play well. I can really see Outlaw as a player I'll be looking to replace next week.
If I knew Beno would just take a 300K hit, i'd hold.
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| | | 147 | The Bandwagon
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ID: 479521116
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 14:30
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Bye the way tothreeball, I didn't tell Mrs. Bandwagon my feelings on Outlaw. She just goes with her first instincts when I rattle off player names. :)
I also have Kobe, Rrrr. So much for avoiding the injury prone player strategy!
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| | | 148 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 14:36
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I suspect over the next week it will be more than $300K, or I'd probably hold as well. Was leaning towards Outlaw, but still undecided.
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| | | 149 | The Bandwagon
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ID: 479521116
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 15:57
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What to do? I have the trades but I'm not comfortable with Outlaw. Am I crazy to hold Beno with 4 trades in my pocket? Or am I over evaluating the situation?
What about Darko? He got in foul trouble last night, so that explains his bad performance. Before his hand injury, he was a solid 25 TSNP's per game and could come in handy when Bynum has to go. Gasol is out for atleast a week. He could be held until 1/15. Thoughts?
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| | | 150 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 16:34
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Bandwagon, Darko hasn't had many games over 20 TSNP since return from injury, and appears to still be in gravity. I like Telfair or Outlaw better. I'm still undecided, although Mrs. BW's choice would save me $750K to put to use elsewhere next week, you never know when it could come in handy.
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| | | 151 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 18:21
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I hate to cross the Mrs., but Telfairs next 5 matchups aren't overly inviting. Wade (Williams), Baron, Tinsley, Chris Paul, and Baron again. Leaning towards Outlaw, even at the higher price.
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| | | 152 | The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 18:43
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lol, I guess I'm going with Outlaw also, but I really want Darko. If I could talk Blooki into taking Darko, we would get him out of gravity. That's one of the reason's I drafted Blooki ;)
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| | | 153 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 18:49
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Outlaw it is, better make my trades and get some work done around here or I'll be facing the wrath of Mrs 3ball.
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| | | 154 | The Bandwagon
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ID: 479521116
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 19:20
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I bet you guys think I'm nuts for considering Darko, it's just a hunch I have. Anyway, I went the popular route due to peer pressure and took Outlaw. I just hope he continue's his hot streak for another 3 weeks.
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| | | 155 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 21:18
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Sorry Team, my team's just been in a serious funk since the big trade day. Wright is a disaster and selecting Deron over Boozer was not very smart as well. With my RV and ranking going south I'm going with the plan of Udrih > Telfair and Wright > Gay. Fairly obvious moves in my opinion.
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| | | 157 | The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 10:02
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I have a new found respect for Kobe. People have mixed feelings about him, but like him or not, the man loves to play the game. Alot of players would have taken a game or two off with the same injury.
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| | | 158 | The Bandwagon@work
ID: 151118518
Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 21:52
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Wow, good thing I stayed away from Darko. He's too slow for G-State so Memphis is keeping him on the pine.
What was I thinking?
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| | | 160 | dpr
ID: 219281916
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 11:09
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alright looking ahead there aren't many good option to buy when selling wade. Davis fits real well tho and since his schedule is weak for a bit and he is gunna lose money I think a triangle makes sense. People agree?
so who to move Baron to? No one today stands out because only LA and CHI have longterm schedules and Im not risking Hinrich or any1 on chicago and Kobe is to expensive.
Any preferences among the rest? Going to a forward reopens up the brewer to udrih movewhich brewer will now for sure make it to (if not longer?)
I could also sell Kiri has he has been very aggravating. That would leave me with 0 trades bt none planned for next week other than Brewer and maybe Boozer.
If I move Baron today I would likely give me Aljeff which also gives me another center although I dont rate this that highly because both Dalembert and Miller look good out of Bynum. Another alternative may be to hold for one more game and go to a Denver player but this could mean big loses in te meantime for not many more points. Opinions?
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| | | 161 | dpr
ID: 219281916
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 11:16
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looking at sortable stats Camby projects 60 (plus if baron beats Aljeff) points better than Aljeff from 12/20 to 1/7 the date to sell camby. Aljeff would likely go a day earlier but since both players would likely be used to transition into Howard for his 1/8 game i would miss may be some gains. Woever Aljeff is where the money is so wat do u guys think? will Camby even escape gravity because if thats a risk then Aljeff is the solution for sure
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| | | 162 | dpr
ID: 219281916
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 11:22
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ok going for the triple post. AI may look better than Camby from a points perspective as he has been better lately and is less of an injury risk. However he would force me to move Howard into a center instead of likely nash or marion at the start of the 1 in 5. Tho then I probably go to Camby then Kobe and then those Pho players which is obviously more trades but gains good games for the trades. If i have the trades I like this rotation more.
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| | | 163 | The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 09:29
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| Rank | GurupieName | LSWP0 | LSWP | LSWP5 | WWR | FV | Cash | RV | FVC | Trades | | 1 | dpr-93 | 5679.5 | 38 | 2704 | 3 | 69.60 | 1.70 | 67.90 | 0.23 | 5 | | 2 | Senator Urine-190 | 5580.5 | 38 | 2591 | 49 | 66.65 | 0.25 | 66.40 | -0.09 | 4 | | 3 | Winston-1104 | 5540.5 | 38 | 2627 | 19 | 66.32 | 0.03 | 66.29 | 0.10 | 6 | | 4 | tothreeball-502 | 5520 | 38 | 2719.5 | 118 | 64.27 | 0.37 | 63.90 | 0.19 | 4 | | 5 | The Bandwagon-1022 | 5510.5 | 71 | 2625.5 | 35 | 66.33 | 1.23 | 65.10 | 0.23 | 7 | | 6 | Blooki-845 | 5461.5 | 38 | 2594.5 | 152 | 66.23 | 0.20 | 66.03 | -0.08 | 5 | | 7 | Pica-4490 | 5396 | 38 | 2565 | 107 | 65.58 | 0.08 | 65.50 | -0.14 | 5 | | 8 | Gary Dotson-5568 | 5356.5 | 50.5 | 2541 | 210 | 63.88 | 1.88 | 62.00 | -0.05 | 4 |
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| | | 164 | The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 09:51
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DPR, sorry I couldn't respond to you yesterday. I've been pulling 12 hour shifts for another supervisor off and on this month. All I have time to do is work and sleep lately.
I see you took Jefferson.
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| | | 165 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 10:44
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Wow, 4 new trades, and no need to use any of them. Congrats to team Soulman on its TP2 win, although we still hold a decent overall lead.
Gary and I are the only 2 Lebron holders. His past few games haven't been up to his pre injury production, and I'm trying to decide when to redeploy his $11.81 value. Will likely hold until after the Christmas games and then downgrade Lebron and upgrade a cheapie. Any other thoughts on Lebron.
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| | | 166 | Gary D @ work
ID: 44650614
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 11:08
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I sucked this TP...Need to rite the ship.. Agree that LBJ hasnt been worth it. I think my biggest regret is not getting boozer. Not even sure where to go from here..Will take a look today as im slow at work...Nice TP fellas....I Suck....
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| | | 167 | dpr
ID: 219281916
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 11:27
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yea I wnt with jefferson figured there was too much money to be made with that route especially if the Denver guys stay in gravity. Also with Howard I will likely get one of the from Howard for the 4 in 5 at the end of the schedule and the schedule wasnt that great up till then
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