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Subject: Soulman's '07-'08 GMD Team (TP3)

Posted by: Soulman - Donor [016105313] Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 16:45

Good job everybody taking TP2. Still, the margin to team Bandwagon is still considerable, so I'm trying to do whatever possible to close the gap. This is why I added Philsphan, who not only has had a very impressive TP2 but also has a nicely set up roster. Welcome to the team Philsphan!

Sorry to drop DrD, who was a bit out of luck with his pickups this TP2. As was I, but alas I can't drop myself. DrD, of course you're still perfectly welcome in our thread and I'm sure you'll have more luck in future TPs.

Good luck everybody and let's try to catch team Bandwagon before 2008! :)

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 18:12

Hey Soulman, thanks for the vote of confidence. I hope I can keep up with all you guys. I'm ready to go.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 19:18

went Beno to Louis Williams.
Then sold Tinsley one minute before freeze, but dont know who to buy now, what a pickle.
Shawne Williams stays then.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 20:41

bought me Iverson

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 03:15

So what to do with Tinsley?

He will lose lots of money if it's not clear today that he will play tomorrow. But his schedule is great overall so patience can be the right way...

On the other hand you can go Bynum to Tinsley on wednesday when you have the position flexibility and the money.

Today it will be interesting to see who are the top price movers.

So many players are going on managers nerves that it's hard to predict it correctly.

And are the Denver boys a good fit today. Over the next 19 days they play 10 times, most of all teams. Iverson, Camby and even Kenyon Martin are options. So are the NJ Williams, Nazr, Dalembert, etc.

I for myself will go on vacation today but i will telephone with Dilo tonight for all the news and ideas from team soulman.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 03:45

I would suggest we will act as team with tinsley. What's our policy?
I'm for selling!

Further news and oppinions after the chat with turnabouts, who will sit my team for about 9 days.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 04:41

Not sure about Tinsley. The schedule is damn too good to give up easily. Really depends of fresh news today. He already played a full game through the injury so it doesn't seem too serious.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 05:24

5

As I already stated I sold him last night for Iverson. Hope it works out.

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 07:55

With Baron's -320K the last 2 days and 2 days off, I'm looking at too much more bleeding to hold any longer. I could go Baron>Kobe. Kobe would be the longer term hold but his health scares me. AI would free more cash to do something with Shawne W (absolutely worst pickup of the year so far) >Sean W. But AI looks like he will need to go on the 29th or so.

Rather than >AI I should just hold on to Baron right? He should start making his money back by the weekend anyway it seems. And it saves the trade.

With Beno's play last night and 3 days of rest, Brewer>Beno looks like it's back on track.

Tinsley: I am inclined to keep him pending further updates today. I'll have a trade to move him any time this week, but I'm inclined to hold. Problem is with Tinsley and Baron I'm looking at too much potential RV drop to hold both here...

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 08:28

AI seems the better choice Philsphan.
I have both, but havent been too excited about Kobe and his 11mil.

I need another 10k to do Shawne Wil to Beno, hope I win that tonight.
Agreed Philsphan, worst move ever.
Should have never sold Beno.
That leaves me one trade to move either Brewer or Kirilenko on Sunday.
Or I keep playing with 9 and package Kiri/Brew that day. I'll see.
It is best I take a break today, or I will get very tempted to do something about that awfull AK not so 47.

By Sunday I dont mind being tradeless this week, with Xmas and all.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 08:30

Famous Quote:

Life is what happens when you are busy making other plans

I guess it applies to TSN as well.

Welcome Philsphan.

The Tinsley mess, I guess it was just a matter of time. As Gescom said he did play a full game with the bruise. He also said he doesn't expect it to keep him out long.

Tinsley took a knee to the leg late in the win over Miami last Saturday. He played against New York on Monday and finished with two points on 1-for-8 shooting and 12 assists. "I tried to play through it," he said. Tinsley is having a dream season, but after his last line and tonight's surprise DNP, his owners aren't going to be feeling the love. Tinsley says the injury shouldn't keep him out for long.

Of course I'm not comforted much by " the injury won't keep him out long ". I wish there was something more definitive. I searched the Indy paper and the game information from last night is pretty lame, it is actually an AP feed. So maybe a local beat writer will have something later.

I had freed cash to move Deron to Baron on Saturday. I can use the cash to move Tinsley to AI today. That would mean no Baron, which I guess isn't the end of the world. But Tinsley plays 1 more game than AI over the next 2 and 3 weeks, arguable AI is an upgrade. And Baron's 7-10 is so tempting. Just in time for him to pull a hammy.

The prudent thing to me is, unless something comes out today indicating he is a no go tomorrow, to hold and see what the news is on Friday. I've never been good at that. There aren't a lot of options going tonight, there will be tomorrow.

Philsphan, you held Baron this long, I would be inclined to hold at this point. I think he starts making back money on Saturday. I wouldn't touch Kobe at this point, with his tweaked groin and the fact he need to be moved 12/26. Very short term. I have him on some teams and am crossing my fingers his groin doesn't keep him out one of the next two games and will move him to Baron on Saturday. That may be very popular. Your RV could use a boost, maybe gamble on Shawne => Nazr (Yikes, I'm actually recommending Nazr ;)

Hey Coach Soulman, was it a prerequisite that new team members had to have Shawne on their roster?

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 10:10

Thanks for the advice guys. I think I have talked myself into holding Baron. You're right Dave, he definitely should be money after Friday. And despite the recent losses I am still +430k on him.

Funny, but I picked up Shawne after reading the posts here last week. Shawne => Nazr looks like a winner to me. Cross my fingers I hope he stays healthy.

So here is my plan after Nazr:

Brewer => Beno on the 23rd
Does anyone like KG on the 23rd? He has been underperforming but seems like a good fit from Boozer.

That leaves me with one trade. If Tinsley is a no-go, I'm thinking Rudy Gay. That should hold me over for a while.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 10:32

I don't Philsphan, Boozer has been so good. KG does have a nice stretch, but then what. I'm leaning toward holding Boozer through the new year and moving him 1/3, maybe to a Sun.

Any new Tinsley thoughts? Dalembart looks tempting. Once we get through this week, other than Bynum, there shouldn't have to be much done between Christmas and New Years. Maybe Bynum to a cheaper Tinsley?

Of course, watch him play tomorrow after all that.

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 11:40

That's right, I didn't see the PHO connection on 1/3. That does make sense. I was thinking KG for the 4-in-5 and with an extra trade that I would have he could give a points boost. He could then go to Yao on 12-31.

I was planning Bynum=>Dalembert but I could go Tinsley=>Dalembert and find something else for Andrew later.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 13:00

I'm getting a real itchy trade finger, someone please talk me down off the ledge ;)

Had planned on Deron => Baron on Saturday, but AI is getting a lot of hype, so I could move Tinsley to AI instead as I mentioned before.

With either scerario, I could wind up with a replacement for both Deron and Tinsley of Caron, or someone cheaper ( I have a 60K window for Caron and Baron from Tinman and Deron ). Caron plays one less game than Sammy over the next three weeks.

I guess the question is, who would you prefer, Baron or AI?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 13:13

tough choice Dave.
buying Baron today however I dont know if thats a plan. Moneywise. lost 120k on a night he played.

As for my team.
I will need to chose between Kiri/Brew/Shawne that will have to stay till refresh. Moneywise the Jazz duo would be the best way to go, but pointwise not really.
Shawne makes me wanna jump off the roof though.

Going tradeless today has occured in my mind I must admit.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 13:43

Still waiting for the call from turnabouts, but for me today it's:
Shawne, AK, Tinsley to Nazr, AI, and MC Dyess.

Didn't have the time to study your posts, but me or turnabouts will give our oppinions later on.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 14:08

deejay, I wasn't buying Baron today. It would be Tinman => ? and Deron => Baron on Saturday

Or it would be Tinman => AI today and Deron => ? whenever.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 14:15

Ah ok, misunderstood that. my bad.
Think AI is gonna make good bucks tonight, and his price is lovely.
What are your options from Tin today if you would do Baron from Deron?

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 15:00

Hey Coach Soulman, was it a prerequisite that new team members had to have Shawne on their roster?

LOL, Dave! Yes, absolutely. I felt in terms of building team spirit, there's nothing like struggling together through the same kind of mess ... ;)

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 15:48

Dave, if you wan't sell a guard today i think he should not be called Deron Williams.
Tin->AI is the way to go.

@ DJ
for you, looking at your trades and roster, maybe doing nothing today would be the best. ;-)

by the way, welcome philsphan!

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 15:53

Maybe I'm confusing you all. The choices are:

1)Tinman => AI today, then either hold Deron or move him to say, Sammy. That can be done today or whenever. Today would be a money play. Maybe the smart thing is to just hold him for a bit.

2) Tinman => Sammy today, Saturday Deron => Baron.

I guess the options breakdown:

AI/Deron
AI/Sammy or whoever
Baron/Sammy

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 15:56

option 1 dave.(Ai/deron,sell deron when you see something that you really really want)

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 15:58

Thanks deejay, and that probably makes sense, but the trouble is, I really want Baron

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 16:00

Please get Baron. I need to minimize my losses... ;-)

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 16:07

24

Me too, Dave.
So i will prolly pick him up from Kobe on 12/26.
Stead of Paul, since Im low on trades.
To say the least. :(

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 16:11

I am hopeful my -10k window from Shawne to Beno opens tonight.
Will Beno lose some tonight?
Anyone want to guess?
Or am I dreaming?

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 16:19

I went Shawne/Tinsley > Nazr/Gay.

Will go Brewer>Udrih on the 23rd and bank a trade for this week.

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 16:21

27

I think Shawne can only lose 6K max, and Beno should lose more than that.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 16:50

Dave, are you aware that you are considering selling a completely healthy point guard that hasn't been below 30 tsnp since 14 games for baron davis (yeah, the baron davis that everyone's expecting to sit out from time to time, remember it's still him not a lookalike), who has the same amount of games in the next 14 days and costs a million more.

Please, think twice!

I think you can guess now, that I like your first anternative better! ;-)

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 16:54

@ deejay
Hm, all shawne-holders seem to sell today, so I expect the full .06 to fall. So if udrih falls .07 it's enough for you?

Should work!

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 17:12

I hear you Dilo. I also know that I have never had Baron this year. It's been painful.....

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 17:17

Dave, I also like option one best. There's no hurry on Sammy, he's ever so fragile so I guess it's best to pick him up only when schedule dictates it (on 12/26 from Bynum). And who knows maybe he's already back in the IR by then.

deejay, that window will open for sure - Udrih will see a massive drop today which easily should be more than 70. He and the Tinman are probably going to share top loser honors tonight.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 17:23

Dave, I agree with Dilo to not force Baron into your plans. A 7 in 10 is always tempting but there are other (and longer schedules) to have. Besides, five of the seven are on the road and Baron has a 5 TSNP differential between home and road averages. He was nice to have early on but now I feel he's not essential anymore.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 17:35

As for my own plans, I'm going Shame Williams > Nazgul Mohammed today. Shame has got to be the worst pickup I've ever made, a grand total of 6 TSNP and -20k over 4 games is very close to the genuine definition of disaster.

Nazr is definitely a hot pickup the next few days - and should he be able to maintain his minutes, he's a hold right into February. I still remember how good he was as a fantasy center in NY (think that was 2 or 3 years ago) so here's hope he'll do more of the same in Charlotte.

Other possible trades this week would be Jazz guys on Saturday of course but it remains to be seen who of the three I drop and for whom. That's hopefully it for the week. Bynum to follow on Wednesday, vast range of options from him then.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 18:15

Well Soulman, you're going to be faced with the same dilema on Sunday with Deron that I am. An arguement could be made to hold for the next week, but at what cost.

I don't see a real good out then on Sunday ( other than GSW players). And I already have SJ. So the cash from Sammy should be good and would enable a Bynum to Tinsley return. So I am considering Deron to Sammy today.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 18:50

Not really facing a dilemma on Sunday. If no other unexpected sells pop up, I could package all three Jazz boys for any $21m combo. Lots of good schedules starting then or right after Christmas so I just will wait and see who of the three will need to be sold then due to mass pressure.

My guess right now is that:
- Brewer must be sold (because the almighty herd will dictate it regardless of his production)
- Boozer is likely to be sold (due to high ownership and his lofty price)
- and Deron could conceivably be held because no one really has him. If he turns up his production a little bit, that is.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 08:31

Following team advice, Tinsley => AI last night. Pleased with the outcome.

Leaves unfinished business this week of the Utah trio..... Brewer, Deron & Boozer. B2B tonight, followed by 2 days off, followed by a 5-7. From a games perspective none need to go until 1/3. No one plays more games until then. Any move from the 3 would be for $ purposes only.

Boozer is likely to stay til the end, I'll eat whatever losses come my way. 45-50 points per game are to lofty to walk away from.

So, if the pricing gods find me a net $ loss of 180K for Baron, Beno, Brewer and Deron tonight I can afford Beno and Baron. That would likely have to happen tomorrow and give up a Brewer game, as I am sure Baron will start making money Saturday. Not sure on that one.

If not, Brewer => Beno is a lock 12/23. Deron can be held until Tinsley is healthy.

Deron can be moved to Jefferson for flex from Bynum on 12/26.

Or, if Nazr has another nice game tonight, Brewer can be sacrificed for him instead of Beno. There seems to be a logjam at G now anyway.

We have 7 Brewer's, 6 Boozer's and 4 Deron's. Any thoughts?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 09:07

Team I have a dilemma.
If I want Beno/Nazr from Shawne Wil/Brewer, then I need it to do it today, tomorrow my window is gone, no doubt about that (100k), only nazr will screw that up already.

Dave has a good point about the Utah schedule. i have 3 of those myself being Kiri, Brew and Booz.
Boozer stays till 1/3, I agree with Dave(once more) that I dont care about the money in his case, his production is superb.
Leaves 2 Kirilenko and Brew.
If I want to get rid of Shawne Wil(which I really want btw) then one will stay.

To break it down:

A. Brewer/Shawne to Nazr/Beno today

tradeless, but happy about my team and Xmas is near. Hold Kirilenko, but hes not that heavily owned anymore and who knows maybe he does something soon.

B. Shawne Wil to Beno today

Brew or Kirilenko on Sunday.
Prolly Kirilenko because out of Brew I cant buy sjjit :) with no cash at all.
so hold Brewer that means prolly, can be ugly moneywise, aint it?

C. do nothing today, go Kirilenko to Jax tomorrow and on Sunday, Shawne to Nazr or Beno
hold Brewer that means again.

I could keep Shawne and package Kiri/Brew on Sunday , lets call it D. Not wild about that.

My preference goes to A.
Thoughts?

Sorry for the long post.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 09:11

I want to add if I do A.
Then I also do Kobe/Bynum to Jax/Baron on 12/26 and deal with Kirilenko any day I want in that week.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 09:23

Wow deejay you really have gotten yourself into pickle. Brewer,Kiri, Shawne, Kobe, Bynum, 6 trades including the refresh. Optimally you could be down to 1 on 12/26.

I think you should suck it up with at lease 1 of the 5. Kobe and Bynum are must go's on 12/26 IMO. Kiri would give you the most $ flexibilty. Shawne gets you no points, but at this point can only lose 30K more.

As I said earlier, there is no one who you gain any games from with the Utah guys. That being said, I think it could get ugly for Brewer. And it really shouldn't.

If it were me, I might just do Brewer to Beno Sunday, hold Kiri and Shawne, and revisit everything when you trade the Lakers. I'd like to hear what the rest of the team thinks.

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 09:25

*intruder*

not sure I understand the huge desire to get back into GS...I know they have a great schedule, but over 3 weeks, they play the same number of games as, say Washington and I think they can be very expensive for what they've done lately.

surely jamison and butler, if you had the flex, is a better combo.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 09:29

the thing is I feel like I am going backwards all the time.
And holding Kirilenko aint the worst thing in the world. Agreed, he will lose cash.
If it was a normal week I would never risk this, but this week I feel can do it, in order to get the guys I want Nazr vs NYK today and Beno shoulg go up soon.
If I package Kobe/Bynum and hold Kiri for a liitle while then I am down to 2, not gonna trade Kiri early in the week and put me at 1 trade already, if you were thinking that.

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 10:42

Deejay,

I would say A. You may lose 2 games in the process, but your RV window may close on that deal after tonight. Nazr/Beno should cancel each other out somewhat with a 40-50K net gain, but Brewer/Shawne may not make up that differnce. And if my calculations are correct your margin is only 10K to make the deal now.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 11:00

# 43 True, Wash plays the same number of games as GSW through that stretch, from today.

But from tomorrow GSW has a 1 game advantage ( and can be held a tad bit longer ). I guess the GSW players are just a better fit tomorrow from some players going today.

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 11:08

I was referring to deejay's Kobe/Bynum package for Baron and SJax...anyway, you're right...I just don't see the rush to get back into Baron because I think he is still highly owned and is always an injury risk.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 11:20

qwert

Baron could easily be someone else, was just doing a duo, the Warriors are not a lock.

Philsphan,

Thanks.
I agree, the only downside is tradeless, which I never would do on an ordinary Saturday. Today I think I want to risk it.

JMISA
ID: 161127810
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 12:03

43 intruder

GSW still has a great schedule thruout january if anyone will brave it

SJAX is still 2nd top held guard but B Davis now only 7th > meaning room for a small train back

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 17:46

deejay, if it was my team I would do the same as Dave suggests, i.e. just plan Brewer>Beno for Sunday and do nothing today. I understand the desire to get Nazr and also that this isn't a normal week, but tradeless on a Friday is early. If you wanna take the risky route, A would be the way. But don't forget, there's still lots of games between now and Sunday. Maybe on Sunday (or even Saturday) you'll find it wasn't Shawne or Brewer you should have sold but rather Kiri. Or a newly injured player.

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 17:58

Deejay, in this case I think I would go the aggressive route as well. I already did the Brewer-Nazr move yesterday and Shawne-Beno is a no-brainer. OF course this plan can backfire with any injury but sometimes you have to roll the dice. It is most certainly a difficult decision. I don't think holding Kirilenko is the end of the world.

As far as my team is concerned, it looks like Tinsley will play tonight (which would be great since it was VERY hard to keep him) and since I already traded Brewer, I am hoping to bank my 3 trades until refresh.

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 18:02

Since I wasn't really looking at getting back into Udrih right away, I didn't realize that he only plays 5 games until Jan. 4th. I am not sure that I would burn my last trade picking him up. Maybe just go Brewer-Nazr and sit on Shawne for a few more days?

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 18:04

Can someone talk me out of D.Wright -> Butler. I have a very hard time to keep my 9m unused.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 18:12

Guys thanks for the useful advice, Im gonna roll the dice. Option A. it is.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 18:17

Deejay, pretty aggressive but if you feel good about it

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 18:56

Gescom, don't do it. Butler looks great but the Wizards schedule doesn't. One stinker and you will have buyer's remorse.

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 19:11

*intruder*

sorry. i know it's none of my business, but i say go for it Gescom. I think Butler's the best value in the game right now and his schedule is frankly pretty good for 3 and a half weeks anyway.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 19:22

Sorry qwert, but we must be looking at different schedules. After their B2B, the Wizards go into a 7-in-17, holidays already excluded. That's far from good in my book.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 20:02

Soulman, buyer's remorse on its way. Need big 2nd half. We don't have the same schedule. I'm reading a 13 in 24 holidays excluded starting tonight. That's beaten by 3 teams only with 14.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 03:33

#54
Bad luck about the new Shawne/Lou situation. That's exactly what I meant in #50. At least you have a tradeless Christmas now without having to think about any moves. ;)

#59
Gescom, we are looking at the same schedules, but not in the same way. It is a 13-in-24 only if Butler survives 12/30 and 1/7. And I'm not sure that will happen. Let's hope he produces both well enough to make him holdable, and not too well as to not attract the masses (which then also would make him unholdable). Just about as he did last night. :)

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 05:59

Indeed Soulman, this looks like Shawne all over again. Nothing to find on Lou btw. Sorry team.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 07:28

Don't worry deejay, Lou's DNP was out of the blue. In hindsight, Usual Suspects' suggestion would have been the way to go (i.e. just Brewer>Nazr). Glad you did pick up Nazr though, he's beginning to look essential.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 07:35

Nope couldnt do that, needed to involve Shawne to make it work, Forwards were full and Brew was at G.
That Beno lost another 110k baffles me, who are those people?

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 07:40

Ah ok, I didn't have a look a your positional requirements before.

Regarding Beno, I'm not surprised at all about the -110. There are loads and loads of managers who sell just because of two days off regardless of any other aspect. Very often it's not the wise thing to do but the masses dictate the price. Knowing this, the only way to dodge such hits is to dodge players with two days off.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 08:03

Still to me its bad managing(not that im doing that great of a job either lately), if you had him at that point, you just keep him(Beno), but anyways...
Im very happy about Nazr, that certainly eases the pain.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 09:09

53-60 Gescom, I really like the Butler pick. I think his schedule is fine through 1/15 and, presumedly with low ownership should survive any schedule hiccups. Now Hinrich on the other hand ;) Why do Bull players always seem to be a headache.

Totally missed the boat on Nazr on this team, my only team to do so. To quote Coach, he sure looks " essential ". And Maxiel, blah. Three fouls in three 1st half minutes, but at least managed 13 2nd half TSN points. And he is the 4th highest owned F in TSN

And is Beno essential? Will certainly make some money from Brewer, but really just another in the revolving door of cheapies. Maybe not so much with the emergence of Nazr. Brewers 's G/F thing sure comes in handy.

So, who goes if anyone? Schedule wise neither needs to. I have 3 trades.

1) Hold Brewer & Maxiel. Skip Nazr and Beno
2) Brewer => Nazr today. Skip Beno, hold Maxiel
3) Maxiel => Nazr today. Skip Beno, hold Brewer
4) Brewer => Beno tomorrow. Skip Nazr, hold Maxiel
5) Maxiel => Beno tomorrow Skip Nazr, hold Brewer
6) Brewer or Maxiel => Nazr today, the other the Beno tomorrow

Through all this I need a home for Bynum 12/26. No matter what I do above, I will ahve around $6 mill to replace him, unless I package him with Deron. I suppose one option could be Brad Miller, although I don't need a center.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 09:54

Dave, from your above list of options, I like #6 the best by far (with Maxiell being the one to Nazr today).

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 10:20

Being that I love to his the " sell this player " button, me too. Would leave me with one trade come Sunday.

With Bynum to leave on 12/26, and Boozer staying til
1/3 I should be OK. Deron can stay also til 1/3.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 11:04

Dave, that's exactly the rationale who led to Butler acquisition. If he can give me his season average over that 3 weeks and a half span, I'll be just thrilled.
Hinrich did have a stinker - and a big one - but it was vs Boston and the entire Bulls starting five struggled. I'm not - yet - worried. When I took him, it was with the intention to not lock back till 01/04 to make his schedule density worth it. We'll see.

Tomorrow I'm planning Calderon / Brewer to Beno / Iverson and tradeless. I have a 200k window. Calderon / Iverson should be stable in price today. Beno will go up and Brewer will go down. We'll see if that holds. If the window closes, I may take take a complete different route, forgetting both Beno and Iverson.
I'm not too concerned of being tradeless with just one price mover on Tuesday if there's an injury somewhere.
Bynum will convert to Miller, Gay or Dalembert on 12/26.
Then I'll ask the Haitian to extract from my brain the Sporting News access code for the entire week and hopefully will carry 3 trades into the new year, the 01/02 week being another heavy trade week with no less than 6 players who will need to go from my team.

Dave, I agree with Soulman: Maxiel -> Nazr today and Brewer -> Beno tomorrow.

One last thing: I'm reading everywhere trade talks about Boozer tomorrow. I never had the intention to sell before 01/03. Schedule and production are just too good to even think about moving him. Would understand if there was a possibility to do Boozer > X > Boozer and net 2 games but that doesn't exist so he's staying and I'll gladly take whatever hit there will be tomorrow.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 11:13

Actually Boozer => Lebron => Boozer gets those 2 games, but I'm not flush with trades to pull it off.

And as I posted earlier, Boozer stays with me until 1/3.

Howard, Boozer and Deron if he survives that long, could become Nash/Marion and someone.

jedman
Dude
ID: 315192219
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 11:17

Intruder

Gescom, Boozer>Lebron>Boozer gets you two games. I was all set to do that, but the Tinsley injury and feeling I need to get Nazr today changed my plans as I will now be moving Outlaw, who I had planned to hold originally. I could still do it by going tradeless tomorrow, but I think I may be putting myself into a trade squeeze by doing it, so I'm still on the fence. I just hate seeing 2 Lebron games there for the taking while Boozer gives me a big fat 0. I also am waffling on Kobe. My plan all along was to hold him until 12/26, but with the way he stinks, a move to Wade today is intriguing, but I hate using a trade to gain no games, especially when Kobe could explode against the Knicks and Suns.
Sorry, long post, but there are games to be had from Boozer if you have the trades.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 11:17

LMAO how did I miss that. But he's staying anyway.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 11:45

option 6 Dave.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 18:08

Hello Team.

I manage Dilos team and he gives me the instruction to go Calderon to Gay (or Haslem) and Brewer to Udrih tomorrow. The window with Gay is 3k and with Haslem 11k. Both moves will not go because Gay/Haslem/Udrih will all raise and Brewer and Calderon will lose money today.

So what to do:

A) Brewer/Calderon - Gay/Udrih today (missing one Brewer game)
B) Brewer/Calderon - Haslem/ Udrih today (missing also one Brewer game) or
C) something different

Please give me advice.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 18:21

I personal like Gay better than Haslem.

And for either , ( Gay ) definately, you'll have to give up a Brewer game so I guess you better do both tonight.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 20:09

76

Thank you. I did both moves tonight.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 05:23

Getting your differenciation pick injured is probably what hurts most in this game. Given that Butler doesn't play till Wednesday and is day-to-day, I'm inclined to hold at this point and stick to Brewer / Calderon -> Beno / AI today. What baffles me is that AI lost 60k last night. Weren't managers who pick him up from Tinsley planning to hold at least till 1/8 ?

What's team view on Butler and AI ?

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 06:00

Gescom, I'd hold Butler. The two trades you have are best allocated to Brewer/Calderon as you planned. AI is a decent pick production-wise but he will have his up and downs financially. So if you're after TSNP, he's worth consideration. If you're after money, I think you should get someone else.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 07:52

I don't like Iverson today. In the next 14 days he plays only 6 times. Many teams have 7 or 8 more games in this period.

I have two possibilities today:

A) Udrih - Billups or Pierce and one trade left

B) Udrih/Deron Williams - Garnett/ Salmons and no trades left

Which one would you prefer?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 08:58

80

Im not sure I understand that well, turnabouts...
You want to move Beno today?

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 09:08

80/82

This is correct now. Thanks deejay.

I have two possibilities today:

A) Brewer - Billups or Pierce and one trade left

B) Brewer/Deron Williams - Garnett/ Salmons and no trades left

Which one would you prefer?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 09:24

Ah that makes sense yes.

I am not that wild about Boston players, I had Garnett as a bit of a differentation pick before and it didnt do me any good. of course we're still talking about KG.
Maybe simply go Brew to Salmons?
Billups is nothing spectacular but is decent.
Tough choice(s)...

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 10:01

Gescom, I agree with Soulman, hold Butler. This doesn't sound bad and with no games until Wednesday, he hopefully will be good to go. I don't think AI is a bad pick, true he has 6 over 14 days, but that turns quickly into 8-16, and using the sortibles, he jumps right to the top for those 16 days. And he is a great fit back to a soon to be traded someone.

Turnabouts, I agree with deejay, I'm not a big Billups fan. And if he weren't playing today, would you even consider him? And I beg you, in the interest of team RV, please hold Deron;)

You probably will want to trade Billups/KG/ and Pierce by 1/3. I think it's a little short term for my tastes. I do like Salmons and have him on my radar later. His G/F thing can come in handy. But Beno from Brewer will probably be more popular.

Brewer to Beno for me today. One trade left. Holding Deron and Boozer. Hopefully Santa won't hit me in the wallet to badly.

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 10:51

I am looking to make some agressive moves today. I have two things that I would like to do. The first is to pick up Beno for the money and the second is to move Boozer for Lebron for both money and points. Which option would you say is best:

1: Tinsley/Boozer -> Beno/Lebron (Lebron to KG 12/26)
2: Telfair/Boozer -> Beno/Lebron (Lebron to KG 12/26)
3: Hold steady with Tinsley, Telfair, Boozer and 3 trades.

Obviously neither Tinsley nor Telfair have to go at all, however my guard slots are full and I think Beno will make a LOT of money. I am leaning towards option 1 because it will leave me a good amount of money in the bank and Tinsley has a back to back versus Detroit that doesn't look good. Thoughts?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 11:07

Would simply do Telfair to Beno then Usual.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 11:50

Sitting on three trades, I'm pondering various possibilities today. Brewer>Beno is pretty obvious and the unquestioned must-move for today. I'm a bit undecided on Boozer and Deron though. What's the team take on Stockalone?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 11:54

I have no trades, but Boozer is defenitely a hold on my other teams.
Deron I might move one time though.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 12:01

Sitting on Boozer for sure and most likely Deron. Going to take my lumps.

Paul is intersting, but NO schedule mirrors Utah's( but a little longer ) although Paul is definetely an upgrade, based on Deron of late.

I think taking Utahs 5-7 after Christmas and moving elsewhere makes some sense. For my teams at least.

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 13:52

I've got one trade left, thinking Maxiell to Harrington this afternoon. I think we've seen the max of Maxiell's output and RV. Despite his schedule I don't think he is going to go up any more.

What does everyone think?

I am planning on Bynum to Miller on Wednesday, and the Wade==>TBD on the 30th. And that is all I currently have planned for next week.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 14:18

Philsphan, do you mean Harrington as in Al Harrington? Not sure if that's a good idea. There are dozens of players who I would see as decent pickups right now but Harrington isn't among them.

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 14:27

Soulman, I was thinking of Al Harrington but I guess I could do Granger and several others as you suggested. I should have waited until the rattling of the snowblower in my ears went away before posting.

I'll wait until today's game is over and reassess.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 14:29

BTW, as for own plans I already said that today there are various possibilities. Brewer>Udrih is a look, but in addition to that I could do one of the following today:
----------
A) Deron/Boozer > JRich/LBJ, then package LBJ with Bynum for any two long-term holds (i.e. not Boozer). Pretty aggressive as it will leave me tradeless by Sunday 12/30.
B) Deron>JRich, Boozer>any longterm hold (Bobcat, Buck, Sixer or King). Skips LBJ but saves one trade.
C) Either A or B with holding either Boozer or Deron. Everything possible except Boozer>LBJ straight as I lack the funds.
D) Hold both Deron and Boozer, meaning I eat their $$$ hits AND miss the trains starting on 12/26.
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I know many of you are holding Stockalone but I'm wondering whether if with the necessary number of trades available, any of the above mentioned moves would provide a TSNP (and more importantly) money push?

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 14:40

Small correction in #94: It must of course say "Brewer>Udrih is a lock" and not "is a look".

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 14:42

#93
Philsphan, that sounds a good idea, no reason to drop Maxiell today. And a vast range of options to choose from tomorrow. :)

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 16:48

I think i will go Brewer/Deron to Salmons/Billups today and Bynum to Paul on Wednesday.

I like Billups. He is solid around 35TSNP. The other options are Pierce and Anthony but i am not sure about these two.

94
I cannot really give you a good advice because i am myself very unsure what is the best route today. Lebron is tempting but is he worth the extra trade you have to do on wednesday? I decided against him.
I would say keep one Utah player and trade one to minimize the losses. But to whom i can not tell you.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 16:55

Soulman, would keep Boozer and drop Deron who didn't have a game above 40 in a while.

AI / Beno for me as I can't find a combo I like better.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 17:55

Thanks for your feedback, guys. Still, as I'm already $3m behind schedule (and slowly but surely are dropping out of contention), I decided to go the aggressive route: Sold all 3 three Jazz while picking up Lebron. It's a dangerous road I'm taking here, but the prospect of getting 2 Lebrons plus his money swing from Boozer for just one extra trade looked too good to pass up. Either I make up some ground or I just ruined my team. We'll see.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 17:58

Similar rationale for me...traded Telfair and Boozer for Lebron and Beno

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 24, 2007, 09:26

Merry Xmas to our team and everyone else.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 25, 2007, 07:27

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all. I hope Santa brings big games from Wade and Bynum for me.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Tue, Dec 25, 2007, 08:18

Merry Christmas for all of you and your families!

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 04:59

I need help for Dilos team.

I have $8190 to spend for a forward or a center.

If Butler will not play today which of the following player would you choose:

Anthony
Redd
Jamison
Pierce
Iggy
B. Miller
Dalembert
G. Wallace
Bogut
J. Richardson
or even Yi for the money

Thanks.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 06:08

105

Thats one list turnabouts, defenitely not Bogut I would say.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 08:10

So today Kobe/Bynum need to go.
Paul I will prolly pass on since it is rather shortterm, and my team doesnt really need that.
Baron is a possibility stead with the intention of holding through that little bump in the sked.
I dont really need a C at this point, but still I kinda like Brad Miller today.
Jax is too highly owned so a no-go for me.
Could use a GF tho (or 2), and neither Redd/JRich draw much attention from me.
Boston is too shortterm too and Pierce doesnt really excite me either.

Nobody really jumps out to me today and I have 16.5 mil to spend. Hmmm.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 11:12

Decision day:

Today Bynum=> JRich
1/3 Howard/Boozer/Deron=> Marion/Bynum/Nash

or Today Bynum => Sammy
1/3 Howard/Boozer/Deron=> Marion/Nash/Kobe or TD or Amare or ???

On the fence on holding Wade past 12/29. Leaning to holding, depending on next couple of games.

Which looks better? Option 1 leaves me cash to upgrade SJ on the 3rd also.

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Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 11:46

I went Bynum=>Yi for the potential $$, but undid the trade. I am now leaning =>Felton/JRich.

For me, Boozer/Howard to Marion/Amare probably. Or a CHA player for a more long term hold.

I am looking at a rotation of Wade>Paul>Kobe>Nash/Duncan that nets me 19-in-30 after a Wade sell on 12-30.

If Maxiell continues to underimpress I can go to Yi any time before the 1-4 trade date.

This will probably require me holding Baron thru the 19th. But he has been my anchor this year, so I have no problem holding.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 11:52

Philsphan, I'm skipping Paul most likely, at least on this team.

But if you plan on Wade to Paul, why not today? The money certainly should favor Paul.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 12:01

108

What's about G. Wallace and Dalembert? I think G. Wallace will leave gravity today and he have many home games coming in which he plays much better than on the road.

109

I like the second option more.

110

I would prefer Felton over JRich.

When do you want to start your rotation from Wade to Paul? Moneywise i would suggest you start it today.

I hold Wade like Dave R and look at his next games and decide then.

BUMP THIS ONE:

I need help for Dilos team.

I have $8190 to spend for a forward or a center.

If Butler will not play today which of the following player would you choose:

Anthony
Redd
Jamison
B. Miller
Dalembert
G. Wallace
J. Richardson
or even Yi for the money

Thanks.

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Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 12:12

I'm leaning Felton too.

Thanks for the advice on Paul guys. Wade=>Paul today...

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 13:40

112

Gerald scares me a bit.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 13:48

109

I think I will like Duncan and his FC too soon, in fact thought of getting him today, but 1/3 seems a better plan

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Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 13:57

Lebron/Bynum to KG and either Dalembert, Gay or Sjax today. leaning towards Sammy, though it will tie up both my C slots.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 14:07

deejay, I think with your trade situation, you need to grab someone with the thought of holding a long time. Charlotte players certainly fit that bill. But if Wallace scares you...

I think I might be inclined to go with Baron and hold through his 2-6, he can be held until around 1-19. But if Wallace scares you, I guess Baron would also ;)

Maybe Baron and Sammy. Or Baron and Jrich, getting Bynum back from Howard 1/3. Or Gay instead of Jrich.

And after looking, I think I would go with Jrich or Gay as you have no g/f flex.

You could also consider buying Kidd , who unfortunatley seems to be in gravity. He goes 3-4-3-4-4 . Not sure I like the gravity situation though.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 14:20

Well you can find it weird but Gerald Wallace scares me more than Baron does.
But Baron puts my G's full then again, and with Nash in mind that doesnt seem the best plan either.

So would Kidd, tho he always has been good to me.
And I defenitely like him, gravity aint good tho, which brings me to Duncan who is also in gravity like his price tho.

Im not wild about Jrich, if a Charlotte then Gerald. Unfortunately he has no GF elig.

Actually to make it all better work I could use 2GF's Dave, but a combo of Jrich/Gay doesnt excite me either.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 14:59

Kidd/Baron/Nash.

deejay you can't get them all. If you have your heart set on Nash, just get him now. It's not the greatest move as his schedule is slow to start but you can hold a while. Just comes down to who you prefer.

If you had a surplus of trades, you could go to Paul to Nash, but... you have to deal Utah players, and AI at some point and then some.

Speaking of which, what are you doing with AI? He's a great return to Howard if you planned to. But you need a G/F.

The way I see it, you have Bynum, Kobe, Boozer, Kiri, Howard, AI, maybe Al Jeff and maybe even Louis who you may or may not want to trade, all before 2 trade refreshes from now. Thats 8. I think you need to map it all out.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 15:20

thanks dave.

I kinda have planned Kobe/Bynum to I dont know yet/I dont know yet.
Kiri will either go 12/30 to I dont know yet
Or he will be packaged on 1/3 together with Dwight and Booz to a Sun(prefer Nash)/Duncan
AI becomes prolly Dwight indeed.(1/8)
Al Jefferson becomes Josh Smith combined Louis to AJohnson on 1/9(if he lasts that long which I seem to doubt, but he aint my biggest worry)
That leaves 2 trades on 1/9 and refresh is on 1/16.

So I agree I need longterms, right now leaning towards Kidd or Baron / Jrich. Since I dont seem to need a C, but much more a GF. Preferably he would come at G position, but dont like any high priced F right now, aside Duncan.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 15:22

and Butler but hes not the best plan today.
Is Jamison a good option?

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 15:22

How about this ( if you want to be bold ):

Kobe/Bynum=> Gay/Baron

Cross your fingers ( for luck )

1/3 Howard/Boozer/Louis/Kiri => Bynum/Marion or Amare/ Nash and someone 6M or less. maybe Yi, Josh Boone or whoever cheap enough to let you move Bynum to Kaman later.

Cross your fingers

1/8 AI => Howard

Cross your fingers.

That would leave you one trade and holding Jefferson. Or I guess you could hold Louis too. Then no Nash. Or no Baron. Can't get both.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 15:28

being bold aint no problem for me, Dave :)

thanks for the help btw

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 15:33

So with the butler news (Butler may go tonight ) i think i will go from Bynum to Butler on Dilos team.

When some of you think this is too much of a risk please let me know.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 15:38

Hmmm if Butler is gonna play, then I think I might like him today too.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 16:40

For someone with a trade problem, deejay, I'm not sure I would want to risk picking up someone " supposedly " coming back tonight from not one, but two sore ankles. Seems like you are asking for trouble.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 16:47

Youre right Dave, its starting to look like Baron/Jrich and then Marion stead of Nash soon.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 16:58

Kind of like Iguodala too, but hes in gravity will he come out of that tonight?

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Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 17:03

Deejay- I personally really don't like JRich, but am looking to buy in the same price range as you and he is an option.

Of the following 4 players who do you guys like the most?

1: Dalembert- Should make some good money and is pretty solid, has the possibility of putting up some monster games...downside is that he ties up my C slot

2: Gay- Highly owned but is the cheapest option and has the g/f flex...solid 3 week hold and also has the possibility of some big games, however he loses 2 games to Dalembert in the short term.

3: Richard Jefferson- Low ownership and should fly under the radar so no sell pressure. Solid long term hold at Forward, has the highest average of all players I'm debating. No g/f flex but with the abundance of guards I want, not a big deal

4: JRich- Amazing schedule but worst production of all the players I am looking at.

This is a very difficult decision. If I were aggressive, I would take Sammy for money and hopefully points. Conservative move would be Jefferson, who won't make money but I won't have to worry about that position. Gay is right in the middle....

1 hour to decide.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 17:09

Im not wild about Jrich either, I fear he will work on my nerves very quick. But I can really use a GF.
I dont like the highly ownedness of Gay/Jax, doesnt leve much.
Right now either Baron/Jrich or Iggy/Gerald for me. But I dont like today that much to be honest.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 17:12

btw I do like Dalembert/Iggy most of those 4.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 17:13

oops not Iggy I mean RJefferson

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 17:13

deejay, I wouldn't worry about Gay's ownership. Unless he goes in the crapper, he is a hold until near the end of the month.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 17:16

That 1in4 with SA in it, bugs me Dave, prefer to go kiri to gay on 1/2 for instance.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 17:42

It seems we all have the same kind of headaches out of Bynum.

Of all the options mentioned, I like Dalembert best but unfortunately I'm 10k short so that's not an option.

Second best I like is Gay. He won't make much money but should be a good 3-week hold and the G/F is a wonderful bonus that will be become handy next week.

I'm passing on Miller. Certainly a good pick but a 11-day hold. Too short for me.

Jefferson: Why not although schedule is not that good.

JRich: Agree with deejay. Some frustration ahead for his owners.

If Butler is not in the starting line-up, I think I'm going to Wallace. Would love to go Wallace / Dalembert but that 6pm tip-off time ruins that plan.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 18:01

Finally decided on Dalembert

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 18:31

Made my decision Baron/JRich. The schedule will make up some of his subpar games, though Im not excited at all bout this.
If Kirilenko does well(Okur will be back tho), then I have no other trades planned this week.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 20:17

Guys, Gods are against my Gay pick. I've lost the internet connection at my mum's house for the last 45 minutes and missed Gay.
I'm left with Yi, Miller and Jax as options and have 45 minutes to decide.
Any opinion ?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 20:22

goh tough choice Gescom, have no immediate preference, most money definitely in Yi/Miller.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 21:03

Went with Jax: same schedule over the next 3 weeks, same price, same G/F flex, same lack of appreciation potential as Gay...

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Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 23:27

Thank you Mr. Paul.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 08:41

Ended up moving Bynum to JRich. Would have preferred Wallace but couldn't afford him

We still have 6 Wade owners. As I mentioned yesterday, I'm on the fence as to hold or not. He did fine last night.

Thinking of moving him after his next two games to Baron. It gains a game and Baron can be held for 3 weeks, hopefully.

Also thought of Andre Miller who has played well, but seems to be mired in gravity. If he escapes, he is liable to have a sell date before Baron.

That's the only thing this week hopefully, 1/3, three maybe four trades.

Wade owners have anything in mind?

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 13:26

I will hold wade for his next two games. In the next week i have many trades to do so i won't rush things this week.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 08:20

Sorry for my relative absence guys, have been battling my PC recently and barely was able to scratch off some internet time the last few days.

#144
Wade leaves after the B2B, right now I'm thinking Timmy. Next major swap on 1/3 then dropping my two Magic.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 16:32

Am I nuts for thinking AI => Gerald today. I was holding AI for a return to Howard. That can still work by getting AI ( or TD ) from Boozer ETAL.

So 1 extra trade gets 4 Wallace vs 2 AI, plus some money gained

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 16:35

Denver does play GSW , not once, but twice though.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 16:59

No doubt, and I've had my eye on that. But it is still 2 extra games, + Wallace's gains. And AI will lose a bunch before the start of his 4-5

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 17:21

*intruder*

How is it two extra games?

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 17:33

AI plays 12/28 and 12/30
Wallace 12/28, 12/29, 12/31, 1/2

Thats 2

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 17:34

151

Could always do it on 12/31, miss out on some gains though.

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 18:07

153,

I thought that's what you meant, but I'm not sure why that's a comparison date, unless you would be selling Wallace back for AI on that date...because from now until 1/7, they both play 6 games.

you can still do Boozer to Duncan if you hold AI.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 18:28

I think it is a comparison date because Howard can turn into AI on 1/3, getting into Denver's 4-in-5. Means one extra trade today would get 4 Wallace over 2 Iversons if Dave just held AI. So it boils down to whether 4 Wallace plus gains plus avoiding AI's losses is worth sacrificing 2 AI games vs GSW and one trade. Tough call, but my initial gut feeling would be yes.

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 18:35

if you have the trades to do both Howard to AI and Boozer to Duncan for a quick 4 in 5, then it absolutely sounds worth it.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 18:39

I am actually debating on dropping KG and getting on the Paul train today. In order to make that happen, I would go Garnett/Tinsley (who I don't want to sell) -> Gerald Wallace/Chris Paul. I see that I went the wrong way in missing Paul and am not sure if it is worth it. Which is best in your opinions?

1: KG/Tinsley-> Wallace/Paul
2: Wade/Granger-> Paul/Richard Jefferson
3: Do nothing

I can't believe I am actually debating this but Paul and Wallace are close to must haves right now.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 18:48

US, I'd vote for 1. Main thing I don't like in 2 is RJeff - there are too many good schedules to have than settling ones that are as bad as New Jersey's.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 18:49

should read "settling for ones" of course

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Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 18:51

IF I replaced Jefferson with Gay or JRich-wuold you still say 1?

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 18:52

Dave, I think I'm joining you on AI -> Wallace today, and with no intention to pick AI back from Howard or Boozer on 1/3. Will rather go to Nash and Camby from these 2 and Camby back to Howard on 1/8.

US, depends on your trade needs next week but I like 1.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 18:55

Im not joining :)

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 18:55

It's closer then but still I would, yes. Of course I'm high on Wallace, but also on JRich. Indiana does face the Pistons B2B so it won't be a TSNP-fest. Which of course affects both Tin and Granger.

So it's basically KG vs Wade. Can't believe I actually say this but I feel Wade has more big game potential than KG now. Holding Wade today of course should involve dropping him after the B2B.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 18:56

Thanks guys, I did #1

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 18:56

158

Depends on the trade situation, Paul aint long of a hold.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 19:07

Done, AI=> Wallace

Not sure who I will pick up for the 4-5 to get Howard back, TD, Camby or AI

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 19:22

Howard -> Camby -> Howard means for all of us no Bynum on 1/4.
I have a perfect in to Bynum with Hinrich on 1/4 so I would hate passing on that but at the same time prefer Camby over AI, TD or Melo for the 4-in-5.
I know it's a debate for next week and we'll have to find a replacement for Wade first but what are the thoughts on Bynum ?

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 19:37

Boozer has to go too, so Bynum will be on board

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 19:41

As it stands I will do at least 3 moves on 1/3, maybe even 4 so Bynum is certainly among the candidates.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 19:42

I'll get Bynum on 1/3. Means no slot for Camby, but I prefer Timmy or a Sun anyway.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 10:26

I need a team opinion on Gay. He was originally a long time place holder in my team. But with his bad performance yesterday combined with his high ownership i think he will be a top price loser today. And his next game is against San Antonio which probably means another bad game from him.

I can go directly to Jason Richardson today but i am not sure.

I have to make many trades soon (Wade maybe this week, Howard, Turkoglu, Paul next week and maybe Billups, Udrih, Salmons and Al Jeff).

Should i save the trade? What will the ohter Gay holders do?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 12:05

I have Kirilenko and it seems he has to.

Now I dont have a lot of cash. 7.2mil for a replacement to be exact.
Little bit in doubt who to get, it can be no G.

1. Jackson/Hill: simply put I would like to add another GF, one has prolly too much owners and the other (Hill), well it doesnt seem the right day to be getting him.
2. Dalembert: puts my C position full and means no Bynum, but I see that Kwame is back....
3. Jamison: dont like the start of his sked tho, good option though

Other options would be: Turky(hole in the sked and not wild bout him), RJefferson(sked sucks).
Gay doesnt look like an option today.

Im not too wild about my options, but seem to prefer Jax or Sammy.
None of them play today, Kiri could , but that doesnt seem likely, and I could use another cash injection.

Thoughts?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 12:06

173

Gay could bleed a lot soon, and the next game is the Spurs, doesnt bode too well.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 12:59

#173
turnabouts, I never liked Gay as an option at this point of the season (and that's coming from someone who actually endures Nelson week after week ;)) so in principle I'm all for selling him. I also agree that the next matchup is ugly and he probably will emerge as the top loser today.

BUT... seeing that you already have one trade too few for the roster you have set up, I would bite the bullet and not use a trade on him today. And for any new picks from other slots I absolutely would aim longterm, as it's simply not good to already know you will be short on trades even without any unexpected events.

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Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 13:03

I've got Gsy and Maxiell, and both need to go now imo. They have both really dragged my team down and I have lost patience.

I am thinking =>Dalembert/Yi.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 13:11

#174
deejay, I'd absolutely check if Kiri is in tonight because if he is, I wouldn't waste a trade on getting any of the options you listed (I'm not wild about any of them either...)

Jamison/Turk/RJeff/Gay are an absolute no-go from my perspective. Sammy/Hill/Jax are valid options, I've already listed them in order of preference. Sammy of course means no Bynum but perhaps there is a life without Bynum if the Zen Master decides to waste minutes on the worst number draft one pick since Pervis Ellison.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 13:14

Bynum sked aint that long either, my order is Sammy/Jax/Hill I think.
I like Jax's GF thingy a lot tho, and therefor am pretty undecided between Sammy and Jax.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 13:18

#177
Philsphan, I wouldn't trade Maxiell today. He has a 5-in-7 coming up - and a few points below average hurt less than a trade too few when it counts. Don't forget that (excluding Gay and Maxiell) you already have 6 sells simply dictated by schedule next week.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 13:29

Philsphan, I agree with Soulman. I would hold Maxiell for now. Deejay, it is a tough call between SJax and Sammy. I had the same decision a few days ago and chose Sammy and am happy with my decision. The money loss potential for SJax was too high for my current trade situation.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 13:35

Regarding Sjax, despite my claim that he is too highly owned for me at this time, I am giving serious thought to using my last trade to go Granger-Sjax tomorrow. I am holding Wade through his two price drops tomorrow and Monday and Granger has been severely getting on my nerves.

Sorry Deejay for not being of much help, both Sammy and Sjax are good options right now with their own advantages and drawbacks.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 13:38

No worries US, it is a tough decision so I completely understand where you're coming from.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 13:40

it is to say my gut says Jax, but I fear that 2in6 A lot with 2 good defenses in it.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 13:44

Plus presumably very high ownership. Which is why Jax only made #3 on my preference list behind Hill and Sammy.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 13:48

true that, gonna go with Sammy then it seems.

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Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 13:52

Soulman/US,

Thanks for the advice guys. It's good to get you guy's takes without the raging emotions of impatience and frustration as my primary thought process sometimes.

Maxiell was on my list to go next week, but obviously prudence and patience dictates his hold thru this next stretch. That is the maddening part of this game-have trade will use it. I'll hold him.

I was planning on holding Baron through his 2-in-6 with a sell on 1-20. But he is a good transition into Nash on the 3rd or 5th tho.

So after today's Gay=>Sammy trade I'll have 6 trades left to get all my moves made next week.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 14:02

#182
Usual Suspects, may I give you the same advice as I gave Philsphan? I wouldn't trade a player with schedule left (regardless of how disappointing his production is) if that means you're stuck with too few trades. You have 5 must-sells next week (even if you hold Wade through the gap). So I would advise you to hold Granger just as I advised Philsphan to hold Maxiell. Or as I advise myself to hold Nelson for that matter!

In understand it's not pretty looking at constant sub 20 outings from a 4m player each night but it's even uglier to look at a zero in your trade column when you know all the world is going for the consensus move and you can't join, but instead have to eat hits to the tune of 200k and more.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 14:34

Soulman, while I agree with your theory and rationale, I am unsure how I have 5 must sells next week.

I am certainly selling Howard and Paul. Maxiell is debatable because he has a 5 game week after his couple of off days and I can just ride him out. The only other player I would want to sell is Granger.
Next week, barring injury, I plan on holding these players:

Baron Davis
Dwayne Wade (He will be sold Jan 10)
Beno Udrih
Gerald Wallace
Nazr Mohammed
Samuel Dalembert

I assume you were referring to selling Wade early and dropping Beno???

If I picked up Sjax tomorrow I would have 4 trades through Jan 9 and at most three planned sells (Howard, Paul and perhaps Maxiell).

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 16:00

You're right, sorry for the confusion. I miscounted because I was looking at too many rosters in too short a time. From your roster, the must sells from my POV are Baron, Paul, Maxiell and Dwight. That makes only 4. Beno of course is a hold if I've ever seen one. Still, by dropping Granger, you're cutting it close - one unexpected sell and you're gonna be short by one. So I still have my doubts about dropping Granger.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 16:31

Agreed Soulman...it is sound advice, however another sub 20 outing and it will be very tough to hold. As far as Baron is concerned, I am 99% holding through next week.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 16:54

Why is Baron a must sell? I plan on picking him up tomorrow

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 16:58

#191
If it comforts you, Nelson at 4.3m has not cracked 23 TSNP for me since 16 Dec, I held all the time and still I've been climbing in WWR. So an underperforming slot does not automatically mean it's a harmful slot for your team.

As for Baron, my guess is when all the trade talk on 1/3 will be swirling around, your missing 1% is gonna come through... ;)

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 17:04

#192
Are you? That surprises me to be honest. I think a 2-in-6 (with one of them being SAS) does not bode well for any widely owned G only. Especially if at the same time there e.g. is Nash up for grabs. But if several quality managers are planning to hold or buy in, maybe my perspective on GSW's schedule is wrong?

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 17:21

Soulman, I see Baron as a popular pick up tomorrow and not a must sell next week. I think he will loose next week a bit more than what he will gain tomorrow but after that he's a hold till 1/20 with buy-in dates of 1/6 from Paul, 1/7, 1/9 and 1/11.
Actually I'm looking at him as a Wade replacement tomorrow although I may very well hold Wade if he gets another 50+ game tonight.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 17:22

Soulman, I plan on picking him up from Wade. What are you doing with Wade?

From tomorrow, Baron plays 12 games in 3 weeks, the 2-6 aside.

Nash plays 10, and from 1-11 to 1-16, also has a dreaded 2-6.

Or are you holding Wade?

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 17:34

I think the different view comes from the different starting dates. I compare from 1/3 which favors Nash. It's true Phoenix also has a 2-in-6 but I guess Nash is less widely owned then than Baron is now. Additionally, during the Suns' 2in6 there aren't many good alternatives - except Baron for a 4vs2 (how ironic ;)). So right now my plan is as follows:

- 12/30 Wade>Duncan (or hold Wade if he goes off again)
- 1/3 Dwight/Nelson>Bynum/Nash (or Duncan if I held Wade)
- 1/6 Paul>???
- 1/7 AlJeff>???
- 1/8 Duncan>Dwight

Does that look awful and/or should I include Warriors in my rotations?

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 18:30

What do you think about this idea:

I package Gay with Wade today for Butler and G. Wallace. I hate trading Wade away but i like Butler and Wallace more than any other out from Gay alone.

It's risky because Wade can again go off and both Butler and Wallace can get injured tonight.

What do you think?

By the way next week i will probably hold Billups and Turkoglu if my trades run out.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 18:31

I see Baron as a better pick up than Duncan from Wade tomorrow, should Wade really need to go.
Duncan will no doubt attract buyers for the 4-in-5 and the Howard rotation but I've kind of cooled down on him, realizing he has cracked 50 only 4 times this season and has a below 40 season average.
I'm still considering Duncan for the Howard rotation should I don't want to pass on Bynum but the immediate 3 to 1 that Baron has over Duncan is hard to ignore.

The other question is when is a good time to jump on the Suns and which Suns are worth a shot.
1/3 and 1/15 are pivotal dates. Nash / Stoudemire seem to be a bit ahead of Marion. In a different price range, Hill is attractive too but I'm not sure any of them is a must have on 1/3 ? What's team view on the Suns ?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 18:39

My view on the future is a bit blurry right now, I had planned to pick up a Sun and Duncan on 1/3 still might, but SA indeed has a few bumps in their sked, and only for the 4in5, that Im not doing.
Amare does look more attractive than Marion, and Im leaning towards him right now.
Hill is def. decent value for his price, hes an option and GF.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 18:43

#199
I think I see your point on Baron now. Actually you convinced me so completely that I now will take him into consideration tomorrow, when a few posts earlier I declared him as upcoming must sell. Let's see what tonight's games bring.

#198
turnabouts - my gut feeling says no to the rushed double swap. But perhaps a few posts from Gescom, Dave and Suspects convince me again so I'll say "do it" a few posts later... ;)

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 18:48

201

Time runs out and i don't have a real good plan for the next days/ next week so i will do nothing today and take time tomorrow to plan the future moves unhurriedly.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 18:50

That's always a wise way of doing things so I think that's a very good decision, turnabouts.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 19:03

Nelson out tonight Soulman. I heard it on tv.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 19:08

Thanks, but a few minutes too late. Doesn't really matter to me though - that's only about 12 less TSNP than what I would have received had he played... ;)

206

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 19:11

205

They told that Nelson is out due to injury but my opinion is that Arroyo is now the starter and Nelson is angry about that.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 19:13

What costs Arroyo? :)

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 19:17

#206
Yeah, everything pointed at him losing his starting job. I was hoping he could last three more games but alas he didn't. Just means he leaves a bit earlier. Which in turn means my shopping tour tomorrow will be larger than I thought! ;)

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Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 01:09

I was totally planning on holding Wade, but after his egg tonight, I am unsure what trade to make:

1: Wade->Iguodala
2: Granger->SJax
3: Grnger->Jason Richardson
4: Hold Wade and Granger

I know Granger won't lose money so I am surprisingly leaning toward option 1 with my last trade.

211

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 09:18

209

I think i will do the same: Wade to Iggy.

I hope Gay will play 28+ tonight because i don't want to trade him.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 09:30

I must do a trade for Dilos team today. Wade to a player under 8810k.

I think his team needs a g/f for future flex so the decision is between Iggy, Richardson, S-Jax and Redd.

Any preferences here?

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Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 10:06

212- I would say Iggy for him as well

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 10:29

Not sure I understand the love for Iggy, other than his G/F thing. Miller might be a better option from Philly.

Planning on Baron from Wade today, which presents a problem. Having traded AI, I have no return to Howard. Is Howard a must? Is Baron a must? Are any of the Suns a must? Their schedule doesn't get real good until 1/5 and a week later Phoenix => Washington looks like it may be popular.

So:

A) Wade => Baron today
1/3 Howard/Boozer/Deron => Bynum/Amare or Nash/AI or TD or Melo. Camby isn't an option unless I forgo Bynum
1/8 AI/TD/Melo => Howard
1/15 Bynum => Kaman

6 trades

B) Wade => AI or TD today
1/3 Howard/Boozer/Deron => Kobe/Bynum/Amare or Nash
1/8 AI or TD => Howard
1/15 Kobe/Bynum => Nash/Kaman

7 trades

C) Wade=> Baron today
1/3 Howard/Boozer/Deron => Bynum/Amare or Nash/Kobe
1/15 Bynum/Kobe => Kaman/ other of Nash or Amare

No Howard, 6 trades

Any thoughts?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 12:02

That is tough Dave, I havent really made up my mind myself on the whole Sun/Duncan/Howard thing, of the three Phoenix has the best sked.
Duncan has a good price and Dwight is Dwight.
In Phoenix it is hard to choose between the big three. And I tend to take the wrong one :)
A question?
Dwight/Duncan: are you guys only talking about the two 4in5's are more for the long run?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 12:08

hope none of you didnt have the same situation as I did on another team, because to the early game today I cant undo anymore. And I'd just changed my mind. :(

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 15:49

#214
Dave, I like A best because I don't like Kobe and I don't like skipping Howard's 4in5. But also perhaps because it's very similar to one of the plans I have in mind. ;)

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 16:04

Speaking of my plans, I'm presented with a lovely situation by last night's games - Two injury DNPs (or as good as DNP) in Wright and Nelson, Wade as a consensus sell today and only 2 trades in my pocket. To resolve this, I have narrowed down to these three alternatives:

A) Wade/Nelson > Baron or Iggy + Dre or Jax. Leaning towards Baron/Dre for this route. Downside is holding an injured player (Wright) while selling a healthy one (Wade). Wright is owned by anyone however so the worst that he could do is gravity.

B) Wade/Wright > Baron/Jax or Iggy/Dre. Baron/Dre wouldn't work money-wise here. Downside would be the same as in A with Nelson also not really being subject to significant losses due to non-existent ownership. Still, Nelson would have to leave on 1/3 anyway.

C) Wright/Nelson > Iggy/McInnis. Desperation route if I absolutely want to keep an healthy Wade over 2 injured duds. Downside of course is McInnis plus the fact that Wade is gonna drop a ton tonight.

Any preference for either A/B/C before 6pm?

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 16:06

Correction: Must read "Wright isn't owned by anyone" of course.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 17:04

Soulman:
in C could you do Lou Williams stead of McInnis?
of the 2 cheapies I would hold Dorrell, GF, cheaper and less oeners indeed.

Dave:
Sorry I cant help you more, but I dont know myself who I like the most.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 17:05

and oeners should say owners.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 17:25

Not sure I understand the love for Iggy either other than the G/F thing.

Dave, I like A and this is pretty much what I'm planning as well.

Soulman tough situation and tough call. Put your helmet if you hold Wade. Would do A) or B) with a slight preference for B with Baron / Jax. Nelson appears to be day-to-day while there's no word on Wright who has been awful most of the time anyway.

As for me, this is the current plan but that changes by the minute ;-)

Today: Wade -> Baron
1/3: Howard/Boozer -> Nash/Duncan
1/4: Hinrich -> Bynum
1/6: McDyess -> Mo Williams
1/8: Duncan -> Howard

If I become trade-challenged, I will forget McDyess -> Williams.

Any comments welcome.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 17:54

Thanks guys. Will do Wade/Nelson > Baron/Dre now. Crunched a few numbers and this route projects to beat the others by far.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 18:06

looks good Gescom, think Ive got a plan myself.
2 in fact...

A.
12/31 AI to Gerald
1/3 Booz/Dwight ---> Nash/Duncan
1/8 Duncan ---> Dwight
1/9 Al Jef ---> Josh Smith

OR

B.
1/3 Booz/Dwight/Al Jef ---> Amare/Marion/Duncan(not sure about that trio and Al Jef could be kept for one of the 2 Suns and still become Josh Smith on 1/9)
1/8 AI ---> Dwight
and hold Duncan prolly unless I see someone that I really want

Not wild about moving AI tomorrow but it seems to be the best route...

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 18:32

#222
Yeah, looks good Gescom. I don't have Hinrich and Dice but the move dates and targets are practically the same in my own plan so no wonder I like yours. :)

#224
I'd prefer A, deejay. Mainly because I like an additional Bobcat over an additional Sun for the next few weeks.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 18:39

me kinda too Soulman, it has Nash and I dont have to chose between Amare and Marion which I hate, neither do I really want both on the team I think.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 06:29

so AI to Gerald for me today, had hoped for a big game from Iverson, so I was maybe tempted to keep, but he decided against it :)

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 09:23

With the Bobcats tinkering with lineup changes, and seemingly unsettled about anyone's role, it might be a good idea to hang on to a trade in case the Nazr bubble bursts:

The week started with Charlotte Bobcats coach Sam Vincent saying he needed to play Raymond Felton less at shooting guard and figure out how best to pair Emeka Okafor and Nazr Mohammed.

The week ended with Vincent starting Felton at shooting guard and never playing Okafor and Mohammed together against the Orlando Magic.......

That includes subbing Okafor and Mohammed, as opposed to starting them together. They're players of similar size and skill sets, and neither one is suited to guard a power forward with shooting range. So that now falls on Gerald Wallace.

"Playing Emeka defensively along the perimeter is something he's not comfortable with," Vincent said. "Because of that, we have to have a four -- a smaller guy -- who can play that position."

The challenge now is getting scoring out of the post from either of them. In the combined 48 minutes Okafor and Mohammed played against the Magic, they took nine shots, making four. That's not nearly enough to balance the floor and give the jump-shooters open looks.

"We were really looking for Emeka in the post," Vincent said of the Magic game. "We were just ineffective getting it to him."

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 10:26

thanks for the info Dave, at least till refresh were save, no price changes tomorrow.
So I think my AI to Gerald is still on.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 11:06

This Mohammed thing is ugly. In the last game he and Okafor split 48 minutes. When this trend continues Mohammed will not become more than 15 minutes aper game because Okafor averages around 35 Minutes this season.

I think Nazr can onlx be held when playing around 22+ minutes a game.

I think next week can be Nazr dropping week.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 08:25

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2	turnabouts-1495	8169.5	299.5	2630.5	8	69.67	3.01	66.66	0.15	2
3	deejay-168	8113.5	373	2529	69	68.66	1.92	66.74	0.35	0
4	Gescom-1851	8104.5	301	2598	29	69.65	1.72	67.93	0.14	1
5	Dave R-4326	8094	314	2559	298	70.20	1.43	68.77	0.12	2
6	Usual Suspects-1857	8047	365.5	2669	19	68.34	3.56	64.78	0.36	0
7	Dilo-1633	8000	235	2599.5	57	68.92	2.18	66.74	-0.11	1
8	Philsphan-197	7857.5	338	2421	279	65.20	2.29	62.91	0.36	2

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 09:09

HAPPY NEW YEAR to team Soulman. Kudos to our captain for his meteoric rise in the standings of late. I hope everyone made a new years resolution to be prudent with trades.

That being said, I feel like ripping through 4-5 tomorrow. But won't. Howard, Deron and Boozer are goners for sure. Jackson could be traded also, but...

Fast forward to the week of 1/16. Between now and then we all will have gotten 12 new trades. Alot will happen between now and then. Lets look at my team.

1) Howard will be traded, bought and traded ( 3)
2) Boozer and Deron will be traded (2)
3) Nazr will undoubtedly be traded ( 1)
4) Bynum will be bought, traded and bought ( 3 )

That's 9, although the 3rd of the Howard and Bynum trades occur after the refresh of the 16th.

The week of the 16th:

Bibby's expected return that week, if it occurs, will likely render Beno useless. Unless Bibby is traded. ( 1)

Any GSW players will need to be traded by 1/22 (2 )

So I rapidly accounted for all 12 trades, without considering any possible other occurrances. It's reasonable to assume that any PHX player might be moved that week as well, there are a couple of attractive options.

All teams are different with different trading scerarios.. and alot will happen between now and then, but it might be wise to try and do a little planning.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 09:48

Happy New Year to team Soulman, the RFC and everybody! Thanks Dave for the recognition, my recent rise in the standings is solely attributed to CP3 and my heavily focusing on Bobcats.

Speaking of Bobcats, I'm inclined to remain calm with Nazr. If he continues to get 20-25 Minutes and TSNP that's easily enough for me with this schedule (and so many stud slots to rotate). Just now I have been experiencing how much it actually helps to leave underperforming good schedule slots alone and focus on the ones where the serious points are made. Best example is my recent rise in WWR which included rotating studs while holding Nelson and Dorell even though they were horrible all the time.

BTW, I fully agree with Dave that right now some planning ahead is essential as the upcoming weeks will also include holding guys we normally would have traded due to schedule. My next moves will be on 1/3, namely Dwight>Amare (locked) and Dorell>Bynum/Hill (if Dorell remains sidelined). Baron/Udrih are a clear hold for me now and AlJeff might also have to stay through the week in case Nazr slips down into low teens both minute- and TSNP-wise.

Rather looking at Suns instead of Timmy on 1/3 now as my trade situation doesn't allow to buy in and out Timmy's quick 4in5. Suns do have that 2in6 next week but (along the Bobcats) still have the most games in the NBA the 3 weeks from 1/3. So I'm planning to hold through the Suns 2in6 because I won't have the trades to do an A-B-A rotation here.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 10:33

Happy New Year team.

Finally a decent night for me last night, that was my resolution and it worked :)

As for my plans, well am in doubtland again.
Was gonna Booz/Dwight to Nash/Duncan, but am also low on trades. And it might be a Sund duo instead. Though TD to Dwight looks very sweet and might be hard to pass on.
Al Jef prolly stays till 1/9 but that doesnt have to be a bad thing imo.
Nazr defenitely stays till after his next game, and then I will re-evaluate.

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Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 22:46

Happy New Year everybody.

This is my plan for the next week or so.

I have 6 trades, but will leave one for the possible Nazr dump.

1/3: Boozer/Howard>Duncan/Anthony.

1/6: Paul>Kobe (then to Nash on 1-15)

1/8: TD/Anthony>Howard/Amare.

If Nazr has to go I can move him to Bynum. I think this maximizes my games with the big-money guys.

For the week of 1/9:

Telfair>TBD
Kobe>Nash

Maxiell faces 3 days off this week but I will invoke Soulman's strategy of rotating the studs in and out to maximize points. Watever $$ he loses he should make back beginning 1/9. If I have spare trades I can always upgrade him. But for now I'll hold and worry about the stud rotations.

My aplogies for my performance these past 2 weeks and not keeping up with everybody. My gains have been minimal but I think I am positioned to do well the next week or so. If you drop me Soulman I will understand but I will continue to my efforts to keep up with everyone.

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turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 04:09

Happy new year from me too.

My plans are not fixed right now. I am not sure about going back into Howard and buying Bynum for only 7 games. The only advantage by going into Bynum is that he fits very well with Kaman on 1/15.

The big question this week is:
Is it better to save trades for the future or gaining maxium games via stud swapping.

Nazr will be a must sell soon. I think he will start losing money today and if not playing big tonight tons tomorrow.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 10:21

Happy New Year everybody,
I'm back from holyday and thankful for having such a passionate team-sitter like turnabouts. Like him I'm not so settled on back to howard and bynum, especially bynum. Fore sure I'm going from D.Williams and Howard to Nash and Stoudamire, then wating on the Nazr-Situation which will be decided after tonights game.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 10:57

Bynum is not in my plans as it is, too short sked and Kwame,and its not like hes a stud, as in a must have.

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CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 14:52

240 deejay
If he is not a stud for his price then Dirk and KG are not studs then because I have had them this year and Bynum has beat them up with bigger games at a lesser price. I can see where he is not stud status but the buzz for him is high for his TSNP/Price...so you get great points potential and cash revenue. Just a studly approach you think.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 14:56

Damn, that Dorell news is ugly. I should have went with Gescom's suggestion to keep Nelson and drop Wright. Ironically, I can't even drop him today as there is absolutely no one I can pick up straight from him. And sacrificing Howard's game just to get a useful guy from Dorell today is madness. Or does any of you see some sub $3m pickup from either position today?

BTW: I share all your concerns about Bynum and have grown significantly less enthusiastic about him now. So it's a definite possibility that I will skip him after all.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 15:24

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I dont agree CJ, Bynum is absolutely not a must have at this point. 23 and 13.5 in his last two, and Kwame eating minutes(and Phil has a mancrush on Kwame, we all know that) doesnt really make me wanna buy him for only a day or 10.

I prefer swapping real studs right now.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 15:33

I don't know, Bynum has been pretty spectacular, last 2 games aside. And I don't think we are only talking " stud swapping " deejay.

First of all, with the possible demise of Nazr, alot of us are going to be looking for not one, but two centers. I'm prepared to have to make 4 trades tomorrow, if Nazr tanks tonight. I guess a cheap alternative from Nazr is an option.

But if you have it mapped out where you can afford Bynum as a " 2nd " center and afford all the other studs you planned, I think I'd rather go that route.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 15:37

Sure, not saying hes no option, but my concern is valid I think.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 15:47

Looking at your team, I agree, I wouldn't drop Howard and Boozer and get Bynum as one of their replacements. And if you get Amare you don't even need a 2nd center.

Soulman, looks like you need other than a Guard. so... . May as wait til tomorrow unless you want to take a chance on Sean Williams as a hedge on Nazr getting traded soon.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 16:03

Yeah, Guard slots are all full, same story for weeks now. I'll get Amare from Dwight tomorrow so I don't necessarily need another C now. I'll even have a 3rd in AlJeff. This is why Dorell could turn into either Bynum or Hill tomorrow.

However, your Sean Williams suggestion is not bad either. So assuming I could use the money saved on Williams somewhere else, would you prefer getting him today over getting Hill tomorrow?

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 16:10

That's a tough call. I only suggested Sean as Nazr insurance. Didn't realize you have Jefferson too.
Nazr might surprise us all and explode to 42 or something. Then what.....

If you wait you lose money on Wright, lose Sean's points. But maybe save a trade and/or not have someone you ultimately want.

I just don't have a real good feeling about Nazr lasting much longer.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 16:29

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I have Al Jef (and Dalembert) too.
So agreed no need for me to take a chance on Bynum.

Soulman,

tough situation for you.
Sean Wil is indeed an option, hes FC also.
but tomorrow you might want someone else(as in Grant Hill)

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 16:57

It's still time: HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!

I don't have any plans set in stone for tomorrow. It's so Nazr-dependant that we'll see what tonight brings. Of course Nazr will give 27.5, enough in theory to stay a little longer but not enough to prevent a sell-off start. Oh well, we'll see, I would almost prefer a true egg.

On Bynum, I don't think he's a must have and should be forced on every roster but if you have a natural way in, it's hard to pass on him. he's still one of the best value of the game.

Soulman, I would stay pat on Wright today and make more educated decisions tomorrow. Almost everyone plays tonight so the landscape should be different and hopefully clearer tomorrow.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 17:08

Thanks for your feedback guys. I'll do nothing today and see what new disasters have surfaced by tomorrow. Wright's loss tonight does not factor in, he's already in gravity and can't lose a significant amount. Besideds, Sean is probably going to be schooled by Dwight tonight, so I think I will pass and make a combo swap tomorrow, as planned.

BTW, if Nazr puts up 25 or so there's no way I'll sell. I'm in a difficult situation trade-wise so I can't bail on producing slots with a good schedule. Let him output single digits and I will join the panic. Let him get 40+ and the discussion is done. Which is what I hope for so we can concentrate on the really necessary moves.

252

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 19:04

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If Nazr stinks tonight why not keep Howard. You can then package Wright/Nazr to any other combo. You will lose money on Howard but you will get it back by Sunday when managers will go back to him from Paul and more on Monday (from Al Jeff) and at the latest on Tuesday. You will save one trade and hold a player you are already planning the whole time how to get back into him.

This suggestion is only for your situation and only when Nazr is a must sell tomorrow.

I think it's not the best plan but something to think about it.

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