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Subject: Bandwagon's GMD Team (TP3)

Posted by: The Bandwagon@work - [151118518] Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 22:13

Good job guys. He had a tough session, but still have a 400+ point lead. Hopefully this session will be better than the last.

What did everyone do with Tinsley?

dpr
ID: 219281916
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 22:18

well we were still within a hundred points of the period winners so not that bad. tho we did end up third.

I decided to hold tinsley as his schedule and production is still good and I hope he gets on the court next game.

(more realistically i wasnt around at gametime and will reevaluate tomorrow along with AK who i have thoguht about moving like 5 times and every time i have held it has been the wrong choice

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 22:54

Wasn't around at gametime either. Schedule and production for his price is too good to give up. Unless there is news indicating he'll miss more games, I'll hold.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 10:41

My team was horrible in TP2, and I am sick to see my 3 Jazz players add up to slightly better than their teammate Boozer. AK losing 50k on a day he scores 21.5 is not a good sign. Other than his freak 3D game, he hasn't crack 40 in the past month. With numerous productive cheapie emerging I don't see his schedule is going to save him.

I'd like to trade him and free up some cash but I don't know whom to take yet. Contemplating Nazr.

The Brewer/Moon > Udrih will be a very popular move on Sunday. But unfortunately my guard slots are full with Wade, Baron, Telfair and Deron as holds. Deron's been underperforming and he could go as well.

dpr
ID: 219281916
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 11:35

well i am just over .1 short of moving Tinsley to AI. I still think this is the move the move to make but I need to free upmoney to make the move. With Brewer and AI going in 3 days anyways these are the guys to move. If i keep brewer he would be moved to Udrih whereas AK would be moved to Sjax. If I move brewer now i would go into either S Williams or Nazr (likely Nazr as that even gives me a game over udrih).

If I move AK i would go to Dalembert early givng me th option to go back into Tinsley from Bynum (thoguh would need to find money somehow). Also consider haslem but passed on him earlier because I figured Sjax was better to wait for.

I think i like the Tinsley/AK to Iverson/Dalembert. opinions??

dpr
ID: 219281916
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 11:45

actually i can't go bynum to tinsley because my gaurd spots would be full with AI, Wade, Telfair, Udrih so I would be locking myself out of both Jackson and Tinsley

dpr
ID: 219281916
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 13:12

ok so we need SU back so at least my triple posts about my team can have him doing the same thing but breaking mine up. I decided to move Brewer to Mohammed because from 12/23 for the next 3 weeks he gains a game over udrih and I like his chances to match udrih per game production with the minutes he is looking to get. I now should move AK into jackson and Bynum into Dalembert as planned. Doesn't look like I will have a path back to Tinsley unless i skip Dalembert or someone gets injured. You guys agree Jackson is a good alternative out of AK?

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 14:12

dpr, a different approach, but what about AK47 and Tinsley for Kobe and Mohammed, then move Kobe to say Chris Paul on 12/26. If you are worried about $$$ do it now, losing a game. You can pick up Udrih from Brewer after Utah's b-b. I'm debating myself when and if to move Tinsley and Brewer.

The Bandwagon
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ID: 479521116
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 14:13

I like the AK to Jackson move. By taking Nazr, does that mean you're skipping Beno?

I thought I was the only one looking to skip Beno in order to get a higher tier guard later. It seems like there are more good guards than forwards.

In my current plans, if I do take Beno from Brewer, I'm stuck with Ak-47 simply because anything else I go to in his range, doesn't gain points, just potential $$. This may be the way I need to go.

I'm getting SJax from Outlaw, and probably Baron from Kobe. I can get Nazr from Bynum if Nazr is for real. I'd like to monitor his next 2 games before diving in.

dpr
ID: 219281916
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 14:39

ok so tothreeball ure proposing Kobe/paul and udrih instead of AI/jackson. with jackson greater production and denswer schedule I se him greatly outproducing udrih. but then paul/kobe gains 3 games but a extra trade. so say i gain 150 ponts on the studs and lose probably over 100 with udrih over jackson (5/game for like 15 games plus an extra jackson game). so i guess they are pretty equivalent moves so it comes down to If i want to rsk the extra trade and i think i dont think want to. plus Kobe is risky with his hammy or watever.

and yes BW i would skip udrih as i feel mohammeds can equal him and he fits right now plus he closes my center spots while udrih closes my gaurd spots.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 16:38

dpr, just an alternative idea. I'm not a big Sjax fan, so I likely have a bias against him. He was strong coming off suspension but has been very up and down over the past week or so. I also tend to try and use trades to maximize games out of top producers ... and it seems to have gotten me 300 points, and $5M behind you in RV, I'd stick with your strategy.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 16:45

I'm concerned Tinsley takes a price bath tonight, so am considering Tinman => Nazr. I can get Tinsley back from Bynum if warranted. So much for banking those trades. What are others doing with Tinsley?

SU in VA
ID: 4411352016
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 17:41

Ahhh, just got to a computer. Anyone want to fill me in on stuff? I see that Sean Williams is starting and Tinsley DNPd last night. What would you guys recommend? I'm thinking Brewer to Williams and Tinsley --> ???. I haven't had a chance to look at anything yet. Any help would be greatly appreciated, I'm completely out of the loop.

Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 17:58

Hey SU,

My thoughts:
- I think you'll want Nazr over Sean first. The schedule is better, his role is more secure and the herd seems to be favoring him.
- Consequentially, you'll have to wait until Sean has F eligibility or Bynum gets moved.
- If Nazr is your guy, I think you should move Outlaw or Dorell (tomorrow) to Nazr and take Brewer's back-to-back and get Udrih on 12/23. It just seems to fit better. I don't think Brewer leaks too much before then.
- Tinsley to Iverson seems like the best move today. Unfortunately, you're short of Iverson.
- I still have Tinsley on one team that can't get to Iverson. I'm currently debating between the money route (Tinsley to Nazr now and figuring out what to do w/ the cash later) or the "When in doubt, do nothing" route (move Outlaw to Nazr, hold Tinsley, move to Billups tomorrow if Tinsley is not in the lineup or bank a trade and get some nice differentiation out of Tinsley).

Let me know if you need me to make any moves.

SU in VA
ID: 4411352016
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 18:19

Blooki, my phone just ran out of battery...

Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 18:21

np, let me know if you wanted to discuss more here.

SU in VA
ID: 4411352016
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 18:32

It's looking like my best bets right now are:

A) Hold Tinsley and hope for the best, give up on Wright tomorrow and move him to Nazr, and then after the back to back move Brewer for Beno (and hope he's not injured). Then at the refresh I could move Bynum for anyone at any position, possibly Dalembert for the money and long hold.

B) Sell Tinsley for Nazr right now and hope for the worst, move Brewer for Beno after the back to back. Then after the refresh I could get Tinsley back from Bynum, or get Paul. Hold Wright and hope he turns it around.

C) Sell Tinsley for Nazr, and lock in Hedo from Brewer or Wright.

Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 18:34

Hedo seems very meh...

SU in VA
ID: 4411352016
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 18:38

Yeah, the big thing with him is that he ties up 6 million. I don't need it right now, but I know I will, and that 6 million won't be making any money also with those three days off in the future.

A and B are probably the better choices. It all comes down to Tinsley I guess. I'll conservatively stick him at -200k tonight, is it worth eating that hit for the chance that he plays tomorrow?

SU in VA
ID: 4411352016
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 18:49

The new choice C:

C) Tinsley to Sean tonight, Brewer to Beno after the back to back, Bynum to Nazr after the refresh as well as Wright to Paul.

What I worry about with this one is
- Missing out on the early Nazr money (just from being at the computer for 30 minutes, I get the sense it will be a lot)
- Tinsley playing, of course
- That quote on rotoworld about Frank saying Sean will get at least one more game. Seems like a precarious situation. At the same time, it could pay off.

Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 18:57

Why not Tinsley to Nazr and Bynum to Sean later?

SU in VA
ID: 4411352016
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 19:00

Good point, I was imagining a third game from Sean this week. I have eight windows open, I'm losing my mind.

If you had to make a split second decision, would you sell or hold Tinsley today?

Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 19:03

Split second, sell.

SU in VA
ID: 4411352016
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 19:16

Yeah, even though it seems he could play, that was also the case with Lebron...

Maybe I should go ahead and move him to Nazr. I'll probably do this.

SU in VA
ID: 4411352016
Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 19:27

Blooki, I just sent you an email. I'm going to take a short break, let me know what you think.

SU in VA
ID: 111113215
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 06:25

I ended up selling Outlaw (sadly, not even close to being the shortest hold for me this year) and Tinsley for Nazr and Butler.

I understand the Baron losses last night since people wanted Kobe, but seriously, Action Jackson is still free-falling? Ugh. Looks like two days off is the new four days off. I'll be holding both until the last minute.

Bynum's "back to back" to end this week combined with his strong play as well as other teams not playing those days makes me think he'll definitely be a hold until the refresh. If nothing goes wrong Brewer should be my only remaining move this week.

I really hate being limited by trades, it's killing me. Thank you Mardy Collins, Theo Ratliff, Brendan Haywood, Jason Maxiell, and last but certainly not least Jason Kidd.

The Bandwagon
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ID: 479521116
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 11:47

As of now, I think I'm going to do something different than the rest of the pack.

Kobe to Ming on 22nd (Kobe banged up, not producing normal)
Outlaw to SJax on 22nd
Brewer to Beno on 23rd

I could go Deron to Baron on the 22nd or 23rd, but that doesn't gain a game until after 10 days.

Once again it looks like I will avoid Baron (didn't learn my lesson from last time) and stick with my "avoid injury prone players" strategy. So far I'm 1 for 3 with this strategy. Got burnt by Baron and Wade, but it worked with Tinsley. I actually have AK-47 who is injury prone, but so far, he's bucked the trend also.

You're probably laughing at my strategy because I'm taking Ming who is also injury prone. The difference between Ming and Baron is, when Ming gets hurt, it's major. He's isn't known to skip the occasional game here and there because of a sore hammy ala Baron Davis.

Taking Ming over Baron gives me flex in my guard slots also.

Merry Christmas to all!

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 11:50

Oh yea, on the 26th, I'll go Bynum to whoever the hot pick-up of the week is. I should be able to take any postion.

dpr
ID: 219281916
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 12:06

i think my having AK you ahve been burnt. I'mjust glad I only have to deal with him 1 more day (hes gunna put up 50+ and trick me into holding again).

So are you planning to hold AK for another week till the end of their scvedule? I know that their schedule is still fine jsut that especially with your excess trades i'm surprised you aren't looking to get out of him. Also with your excess trades I think you can consider injury prone players a little more than other people as you won't get stuck in a situation were you are forced to hold someone you don't want to as a result of trading out of a guy with an injury.

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 13:57

I looked at the schedule wrong. Baron plays 1 more game than Deron starting on the 23rd, so I may take DPR's advice and take a injury prone player (Baron) from Deron.

I can't upgrade AK-47, and nothing really stands out in AK's price range that says buy me. I could jump on a money train from his slot, but I'm not going to force a trade at this point.

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 14:11

Wow, I'll be $550K short from going Deron to Baron on the 22nd if I do my other moves as planned. I could probably take Grant Hill instead of SJax and pull it off, but I'd be totally going against my above mentioned strategy. I don't think Hill has missed a game this season, but I'd nervous every night the Suns play.

Back to the drawing board.

dpr
ID: 219281916
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 14:40

maybe pick someone cheaper instead of Ming? (just looked Ming has been real good lately and you would have to find a player mid 6's to make it feasible) if you found someone that you liked cheap enough you could even go AK to Baron instead of Williams. Im not sure how their ownership and price loss potential compares tho.

dpr
ID: 219281916
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 14:44

I havent crunched the numbers so I dont know how it compares but options like RJ, Ellis, Haslem, Hill could be alternatives. You wouldnt have the center insurance for Bynum but with options like dalembert and Miller don't think that is that big an issue.

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 15:01

That's just it DPR, no one with a decent schedule under 7 mill is worth trading AK-47 for beside the players I already have or will be getting. So unless I upgrade AK-47, there's no sense in trading him unless I want to make a few bucks.

If I upgraded AK-47 to Baron, that would mean I'd have to downgrade Kobe to a player in AK-47's price range. So that's why I'll keep AK-47, and go Kobe to Ming or Baron, Outlaw to SJax/Hill, Brewer to Beno, and possibly Deron to Baron.

If Nazr has a good game tonight, he could change the Ming plans.

dpr
ID: 219281916
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 15:36

So yea I agree. i did crunch the numbers and the alternatives to Ming ended up costing close to 100 points even including the moves that you could do with the extra cash so he seems the way to go unless nazr looks to good to pass.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 16:06

Bandwagon, if Kobe puts up a decent game tonight, would you consider holding him through Christmas. His matchups against the Knicks at the Garden and home to Phoenix on Christmas day could be strong games, and he has days off between each game to recoup. At that point it is an easy transition to Chris Paul, who I will likely be taking that day from Lebron. I'm also looking at Brewer to Beno 12/23. Between Jackson, Dalembert, Nazr? there seem to be decent options out of AK47. Just a thought, I suppose if you leave some cash from an earlier trade of Kobe, Paul could be picked up from Bynum provided you have flexibility. I'll look at it a bit more, as I'm facing some similar decisions.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 21:20

OK time to move Louis I suppose. Can move him to Turk or some other $6M or less player. Thinking Hedo, but open to suggestions.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 21:23

to3ball: How about Nazr? He's having another strong game and the cat's sked can't be beat. I don't really like any mid price forward options right now, other than Gay.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 21:32

Pica, I agree. However, I took Nazr from Tinsley yeterday. I had a great run a couple of years back with Nazr when he was with the Knicks. He was 30+ for a long stretch.

I have until tomorrows games to make a move for Louis and I haven't seen news regarding his DNP but given my cash reserves I'll upgrade. Suggestion as always are appreciated.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 21:57

Sorry didn't checkout your team before recommending, now that I see you have 5.3m laying around, I suggest you take a cheapie like Udrih, keep your cash and next week so you could do a Bynum > Paul.

But I also assume you'd get Udrih from Brewer, in that case, Jax could be an option.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 22:11

Pica, no worries, thanks for the suggestion. Just provided a vote of confidence for my pickup of Nazr last night.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 22:19

to3ball: yea Nazr rocks!
Let the train roll.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 22:54

Pica, he'll definitely run $$ now after tonight. We'll both reap the TSNP ad $$$ rewards.

Bandwagon, what have you decided with your trades. AK47 with a decent night TSnp wise. I should of asked Mrs BW about Louis Williams, I think I dropped the ball there.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 22:55

Whoa, I just edited a post. Painful, recomendation, just spell it correctly the first time.

Gary D
ID: 611251618
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 01:30

Took the aggresive route(tradeless) and went brewer- Nazr at last minute tonite.....Love the points but need to go to a tradeaholic meeting...Although didnt have anything planned till refresh, just hoping no injuries...

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 09:12

With Louis Williams sitting out again last night, and $5M burning a hole in my pocket, I'll likely move Williams to SJax today. I really don't like Jackson, but he should rebound price wise today, and seems the best option in that price range. Considering Hedo as well. Both are G/F which is nice.

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 10:43

Well, Nazr changed my plans with that 50+ he dropped last night. So it looks like the under performing Kobe to Baron, and Outlaw to Nazr for me today. I have a 70K cushion to get Ming from Bynum on the 26th.

I wanted Ming instead of Baron, but Nazr/Bynum would give me two centers with no F flex, so Ming must wait or be skipped. With this new plan I would also be skipping SJax.

Does everyone agree Nazr is a must own?

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 10:54

Bandwagon, I think when you pick up Nazr, we will all own him, so the answer is yes!

dpr - over 400 TSNP last night. Wow, cetainly poised to take the top spot overall, very impressive.

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 13:10

I'm not liking how this is shaping up. I've avoided Baron all season, and now I'm planning to pick him up tonight while no one else seems to be getting him. What scares me is, I may be setting myself up as a minority Baron owner and then get busted by the "Baron hammy".

Am I being too paranoid? lol

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 13:32

Ok I just figured out a new plan that reduces my worry with Baron, and no I don't have schizophrenia, lol.

I think I'm a good mix of SU and DPR with SU's famous player breakdown's and DPR's triple posting ;)

Kobe to Baron today (If I kept Kobe, I couldn't afford Lebron tomorrow)
Outlaw to Nazr today

Deron to Lebron tomorrow
Brewer to Beno tomorrow

Bynum to SJax or whoever is hot on the 26th

Lebron to Ming on the 28th.

Does that look ok?

dpr
ID: 219281916
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 13:46

looks good. you get the players that you want and gettig on Lebron's quick games is likely a good idea with ur trade surplus

dpr
ID: 219281916
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 13:48

does AK to Jackson make sense today?

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 13:52

You gain a game this week, and Jackson has the better long term schedule, so I would say yes.

dpr
ID: 219281916
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 13:55

ok cool. also it should free up cash to go to tinsley if i want out of Bynum which looks like a good option. The alternative likely being Dalembert tho that doesnt allow me to rotate out of Howard into Camby if i want but he might not even be healthy

dpr
ID: 219281916
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 14:10

Bandwagon u got me thinking. what about udrih tomorrow instead of SJAx and then Ming over Tinsley? That could be better have to look into it

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 14:25

I personally like Beno/Ming combo better than SJ/Tinsley. Game advantage over the next 2 weeks goes to Tinsley/SJ though.

dpr
ID: 219281916
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 14:49

til 1/9 (potential sell date for tinsley/ming)

Option A
1 AK x30=30
8 udrih x 27 = 216
8 Ming x 45 = 360
= 606

Option B
10 SJax x 30 = 300
9 Tinsley x 35 315
=615

haha lot of good that did. So pretty even. figure Udrih has the most price gaining potential but Ming the least. Tinsley is the biggest injury risk. Also Jackson and Udrih are the longterm holds and Udrih is the better bargain of the 2. Jackson also may have been the mroe generous average tho Ming the most uncertain. I guesss Ming and udrih it is. Any opinions on analysis?

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 15:18

Although I picked up Jackson today, I like the Beno/Yao combo.

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Sat, Dec 22, 2007, 22:25

Wow, Baron's 20 TSNP's tonight look alot better now that Ming left the game with a hand injury per rotoworld.

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 10:23

Amazing, Tinsley to Butler...

I hate this game, I think it's time to just go on cruise control because seriously planning doesn't do anything but steer you into random DNPs. This is the fifth or sixth time where I've had to sell a player within 48 hours of getting him in the past month.

Brewer to Beno is happening, and that leaves me 1 million exactly to deal with Butler. It looks like my two options are:

A) Butler to Iverson
B) Hold Butler

That's it. If I do Butler to Iverson, then I'm short of Bynum to Dalembert at current prices by 0.04, and counting on overcoming that window is a longshot. Brad Miller I guess could be Plan B, but I'd much rather have Dalembert. Do you guys think somehow Bynum will overtake Dalembert by 0.04 by the refresh?

Is Butler holdable? He does have a few days off now, maybe he'll recover.

Ugh.

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 10:34

By selling Wade for Paul at the refresh and taking the 7 to 5, I could easily afford Dalembert after all. So I guess I could take Iverson, and hold until 1/7.

Butler was supposed to be a trade saver...

Would you guys do the move? Or just hope Butler comes back like Tinsley did.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 10:50

My current plan is Deron > Beno, Brewer > LBJ. The only problem with this is I'd lock myself out of Paul next trade week by having all my guard slots occupied. But Udrih looks like a sure fire money maker today with all the buys from Brewer/Moon, and Bibby is just updated won't be back until mid-Jan.

Does anyone see an alternate option? All the stronger performers with good schedules are mostly guards, and it's tough to fit them all in. Appreciate any comments.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 11:35

Senator, with 3 days off before Washington plays again, I'd think there is a good chance Butler will be playing. I doubt he sees the same price drops that Tinsley had due to lower ownership. Perhaps holding and saving the trade is the best option.

Gary D
ID: 611251618
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 12:20

Agree with to3ball,,Sounds like Butler going to play wed..im sure you have seen rotoworld reports on him..Save the trade...

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 12:24

Yeah, I'm just imagining the nightmare situation of them holding him out for another game, while meanwhile Iverson (my all time favorite player, no less) plays Milwaukee and then Golden State twice. Tough call.

Gary D
ID: 611251618
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 12:38

SU: If thats the case i pull it off.If you feel it in your gut....I Am also big AI fan and love the GS mathups...Kmart out means a lil more scoring for everybody.Also Cotton Camby ?? to play..Ai carried me earlier in season when i went nash to start season on another team...
Really does sound like butler goings to play but thought you wanted to save trade but seems like the aggresive route is workin better than in previous years...just my .02 cents...

Of course, I along with Dunkenstein are self admitted tradeaholics....

dpr
ID: 219281916
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 13:13

ok questioning my moves now. Had planned moving AK to brewer and Bynum to Ming but y not take Paul over Ming? it gets one more game and Paul will likely get more per game. However with Udrih i lock my gaurd spots so i either choose someone else or ove out of Wade/telfair/iverson early. If I move Wade and Iverson then they could easily be the ones moved to Paul so maybe i could still get Ming. Could move telfair early but not sure there are that many cheap attractive forwards. One option is Yi who as of currnet prices gives me .01 extra to affording Paul (will that hold?)

So pretty much is it worth it to trade Telfair to Yi to be able to get Paul instead of Ming?
Paul over Ming is likely 50 points so I think the extra trade is worth it. Yi and telfair's schedule match before 2 weeks before Yi gains a game and can be held couple weeks longer. Also Yi is likely to outpoint Telfair per game and gain more money right? tho certainly more risky?

You guys like the move? Will the .01 hold? Bynum price should rise right? and no reason for a Paul rise. If you think it may not i could be tempted to move Boozer to Lebron and then move Lebron after christmas either back to Boozer or to someone else.

Is Yi from Telfair worth it to get Paul?
Think .01 wil hold?
Move to Lebron?

dpr
ID: 219281916
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 13:14

Ak to brewer was obviously supposed ot be to udrih

Gary D
ID: 611251618
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 13:21

Anyone know where to get the ownership like the one RSF used to do....I know you just had to be a donor to receive...i need to reset my id but dont see the ownership standings...any help greatly appreciated....

Gary D
ID: 611251618
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 13:30

Dpr..paul over ming and like the Ji pickup..Paul will gain a ton of $$ in next week. Also yoa injured that thumb last nite, although he came back and played, Why take the chance when you can go rite into a stud like paul...
Think all top teams will have Paul on roster next week...
Also think telfair is maxed out in $$..

But also Re bottom # 71...Trades burn holes in my pockets....I guess thats why my wwr is what it is....

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 13:49

dpr, I think making an extra move to get Paul is worthwhile. I'll be moving Lebron and Bynum on the 26th to get Paul and Al Jefferson.

dpr
ID: 219281916
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 14:07

ok so i guess im set on the goal is to get Paul. However, I currently only ahve .01 extra to make this move. DO you guys think that holds?

The move to Lebron gaurentees that it does tho I will only be able to hold Lebron for his 12/25 game to free up cash (tho can move right back to Boozer).

From a points and money perspective this trade makes sense as it gives me 2 Lebron games for 2 trades. Lebron should also make good money while Boozer loses alot. Could also be 500k for the trade. Normally id make this trade regardless tho I am a little leary because it leaves me tradeless which for this week is fine because there are so few games but could become an issue next week or somewher down the road. Already know Wade Bynum and Lebron would be 3 moves next week.

So will the .01 hold? If not gaurentee I go to Lebron.

If you think it will (which i think) is it still worth going to Lebron and risking the low trades?

The Bandwagon
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Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 15:13

SU, the bad luck you're having is the same exact thing that killed my teams last season. I was so frustrated that I wanted to throw the computer screen through the wall. I went back and found this post I wrote from last season.

Wow, I just picked up another differation pick the other day (Gasol), now it looks as if he may miss some time.

"I'm 0 for 5 with my differation picks this year. I hope Gasol doesn't make me 0 for 6!

J. O'neal early in the season, he DNP'ed, while everyone else had Boozer.

Bosh earlier in the year, he got hurt after 3 games and was out for awhile.

Iverson, I got 1 game out of him, then the 76 er's benched him until they traded him.

Rashard Lewis, got a week out of him before he went down with an injury.

Got into Yao Ming a couple of weeks early, and then he goes down after 1 game."

I'm almost positive most of those moves were from the same slot. I did managed to finish 44th overall, my worst finish ever, but hopefully you'll have better luck. Hang in there...

The Bandwagon
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Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 15:15

Kobe for Baron yesterday, hmm, smart. Atleast I got Lebron out of the deal.

dpr
ID: 219281916
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 16:18

not getting Lebron. 3 trades planned next week and 4 the week after wouldnt leave much room for error. I like the move but doesnt work this week. The .01 should hold

The Bandwagon
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Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 16:50

I think it will hold DPR.

SU, I'd hold Caron.

The Bandwagon
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Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 16:57

DPR, I don't think it's worth a extra trade just to get Paul over Ming. Ming could be held a week and half longer, and Paul is just a 10 day hold.

I don't know if Telfair will make to the end of his schedule, but I doubt Yi is someone you would really want. Charlie V should be back soon. Personally, I'm staying away from Yi.

dpr
ID: 219281916
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 17:02

well i figured id get over 50 points more from paul then Ming so even if I then went straight to Ming which i wont it would be worth it. Also Paul should be good for money and I can see Yi having value over telfair even if not enough to justify the trade alone i think the 50 points seals it.

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 19:40

I think I have to hold and hope for the best, it really does seem like he's going to play. I projected things out and if I use this extra trade, I'd need absolutely nothing to go wrong for two weeks. I have a feeling this will not be the case as I can't even hold a player for 24 hours. Plus having that guard slot open could be very beneficial, as it would mean an in to Nash and open up a lot of flexibility. Unfortunately doing this I wouldn't be able to get Iverson until 1/6 for the second back to back, but maybe that won't be so bad since the opponents are SAS and MIN. I'd hate missing that money though.

But then if Butler doesn't play, then I'm really in trouble. I don't know. What do you guys think?

Dunkenstein
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Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 20:16

71
I appreciate the recognition :-)

The Bandwagon
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Mon, Dec 24, 2007, 09:04

Merry Christmas to all.

dpr
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Mon, Dec 24, 2007, 09:12

have to say the Paul/Bynum price changes didnt leave me as confortable as I wold hve liked. Now at a .03 window which still should hold as there is no way I see Bynum losing but it seems possible paul could see some early buyers

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Mon, Dec 24, 2007, 09:33

dpr, it will be close. Although prices will reflect 2 days trading, I doubt the volume will be too high and it won't take many Paul buys to make up the $30K.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Mon, Dec 24, 2007, 12:13

I am pleasantly surprised that it appears I will make it through the trade refresh with a trade in the bank. Seems like I've ended every week tradeless this year, poor planning. Anyway, I like the way my roster is shaping up for the holiday week. After moving LBJ and Bynum for Paul and Al Jefferson, I really don't have any must trades, although I'll probably move Wade 12/30.

Merry Christmas to everyone on Team Bandwagon, and throughout the forum. Cheers.

The Bandwagon
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Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 00:25

GMD stats may be delayed until later in the afternoon. My 17 month old son is having surgery on his thumb (trigger thumb) early this morning.

After the surgery, he should be back on schedule to join the MLB in 2027.

Pica
ID: 27110266
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 07:18

Merry Christmas and happy boxing day to the team and your families.

I'll probably go LBJ > KG and Bynum > Miller

Unable to workout a plan to get Paul. It's probably not worth to break over the team for him. I'll probably pay dearly again like my decision to pass on Boozer a couple weeks ago. Oh well. If anyone has a suggestion on how to add Paul I'd greatly appreciate it.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 09:38

Bandwagon, best of luck to you and your son this morning.

Pica, I looked at your roster, and with your 4 guard spots occupied, I'm not sure how you'd fit Paul in either. I'm getting him from Lebron, but you don't have that flexibility. Too bad, his numbers over the past two weeks have been spectacular (59.2 - 7 day avg, 48.6 - 14 day avg), and his match ups for the upcoming 7 in 10 look pretty appealing. I suppose you could move Wade to Paul, Wade has 3 days off coming later in the week, and may have to go then anyway.

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 09:54

I'm definitely moving Wade to Paul today, and Bynum to either Dalembert or Miller. It would actually be preferrable to not take a center at that slot, but it seems that they're the best options. The problem then is that I'm locked out of Camby (not a big deal) but then also locked out of Bynum.

My biggest problem is Butler. What seemed like a definite play today has become game-time-decision. At this point, would you guys just hold no matter what, and hope he's back for Friday? I could sell him for Al Jefferson, who is very short term, before selling him after 5 games. Or go with the "questionably tie money up for a long time" approach and move him for Gerald Wallace?

The Bandwagon
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Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 13:58

Surgery went fine with my son.

The GMD spreadsheet I have has a bug, and I don't know how to fix it.

tempPlayerDate = Trim(Left(tempPlayerDate, InStr(tempPlayerDate, "M") - 1))

I beleive I'm going Bynum to JRich. All the options in Bynums price range are inconsistent, so I'll take JRich's inconsistency along with his awesome schedule, and forget about that slot hopefully.

I could get Paul from Lebron today, or wait until Friday and go James to Ming. With Ming, I wouldn't have to worry about taking Camby/TD from Howard on the 3rd.

The money move is James to Paul today, but the smarter move for my team may be to get 1 more game out of Lebron, and then take Ming. Ming's been awesome when T-Mac has missed games this year.

JMISA
ID: 51115937
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 15:53

intruder

Get Ming and Pickup Yi too Bandwagon

you kno the face of the NBA is changing when u have 2 players on your TSN team from Asia

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 16:03

The thing that worries about me with Yi is that his good games were against SAC and MIN, pretty weak defensive teams. Then look at what he's going up against the next two weeks.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 16:32

Bandwagon, both Paul and Ming are attractive. If you package AK47 tomorrow with LBJ and Bynum today, you could get both and a player for approx $4M, (maybe Yi). Paul and +/- $4M today and AK47 to Ming tomorrow. Just a thought. Depending on what Wade does tonight, I may move him early to Ming tomorrow.

The Bandwagon
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Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 16:33

I decided to go ahead and take Paul today instead of Ming on Friday. It looks like T-Mac will only miss a game or two after he got the results of his MRI, so Ming doesn't look as appealing as he did.

JMISA, I'm staying away from Yi.

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Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 16:58

Blooki told me to make a move on his teams of Bynum to either Richardson or Dalembert. I'm in the same boat.

Which guy would you take? Assuming everything else is constant between the two plans, here's how the rotation would break down:

A) Dalembert - He and DWright would turn into Kaman and a 6.5 mill (at current prices) player on 1/11. Realistically would have to eat a price hit on Dalembert. Duncan or Carmelo would be my Howard replacement.

B) Richardson - DWright would turn into Kaman on 1/9 (early, I know, but his value is so good). Richardson would essentially be occupying that 6.5 mill slot in the previous option already, so in a way this would save a trade. Camby would be my Howard replacement.

Dalembert I like more in general, he's much more explosive and has been great this year. But Richardson isn't a center, which is ironically a good thing, and saves that trade. But is he someone we really want long term? An hour to decide...

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The Bandwagon
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Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 17:26

SU, as mentioned before, taking Dalembert would prevent you from getting Bynum. I think most everyone will want Bynum back on 1/4 or 1/6, and he's a good transition to Kaman.

JRich will be up and down TSNP wise, but no one owns him, and he can be held forever. He's been playing better as of late and I'm expecting him to averaged around 29-30+ for the next 5-6 weeks. He is also a G/F which we all know places an extra value on him.

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Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 17:38

I really don't know what to do. I want Dalembert on my team, I don't want Jrich. Should I simplify it like that?

If I get Dalembert, I can get Jamison from Paul and hold forever and also get Grant Hill and hold forever. Downside is no Bynum. Unless I use an extra trade to chase the money, which probably isn't worth it.

If I get Jrich, I could get Bynum easily. But no Hill, no Jamison (both can be held forever, huge trade savers...Jamison is iffy in that regard but it can be done) and of course no Dalembert.

I think I'm leaning towards Dalembert...if Richardson hadn't put up those two good games recently, we probably wouldn't even be considering him. I don't know...

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Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 17:53

Just went Dalembert x200. I don't know how Blooki does it.

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Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 18:00

Wow, almost forgot to trade Wade for Paul. Just made the deadline, I don't know what made me double check what time Miami was playing.

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Gary D
ID: 611251618
Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 18:30

That early start almost got me too SU....Of course wade looking awesome( i traded him also) and dalembert( got him 2)) out with 2 fouls.
I LOVE THIS GAME...

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Gary D
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Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 22:05

I know me and SU got into paul tonite...Hope others on team got him as well...

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Pica
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Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 11:49

Sorry team, obviously dropped the ball with Paul. The question, should I still get him? and from which spot? After KG's game tomorrow and then package him with Telfair (who's role is diminishing with the rest of Wolves backcourt players getting healthy) into the likes of Paul and some mid price like JRich?

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The Bandwagon
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Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 14:16

Pica, my advice would be not to force anything. You can only gain one game by going KG or Wade to Paul right now. I think that trade could be put to better use later when you can pick up 2 stud games.

Paul is just a 9 day hold and it's not likely he'll continue to put up 60's and 70's, so I think you can survive the next 9 days. Heck, I survived 5 weeks without Baron Davis, so it can be done.

If I were you, I'd set back, and not look at NO's boxscores for the next 9 days, and continue on with your plans. KG is capable of putting up those same type games also.

Just chalk this up as one loss in a 7 game series between KG and Paul.

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tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 16:08

Pica, I'll respectfully have to take a different viewpoint than Bandwagon. Based upon season averages, the move from KG to Paul, is marginal. However, based on either the 15 or 30 day averages, it would gain you over 100 points over the hold period. KG's minutes are down, and other than the first week or so of the season, his production has been poor for his price. I agree with Bandwagon not to expect 60-70 per game from Paul, but based upon recent performance, and the attractive matchups over the next 6 games, I don't think 50 TSNP per night is unrealistic. Given you have extra cash and trades, there would definitely be points and $$$ to be gained by upgrading Telfair as well. You can see how KG does again tonight, but another sub 40 TSNP game, and I'd be seriously thinking about the KG to Paul move tomorrow. I'd never thought I'd say that having KG wouldn't be a good differentiation move, but lately it certainly hasn't been. Just my .02

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The Bandwagon
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Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 16:29

Good point tothreeball, but IMO, he can use that trade later on to pick up lets say 2 Lebron games and have a much greater chance to gain 100 points with that trade versus using the trade now to go KG to Paul.

By trading KG to Paul tomorrow doesn't guarantee him an extra 100 points. 4 of KG's next 6 games are against contending teams, and it's very possible that trade would only gain him 40-50 points instead of 100 points.

There you go Pica, you have two point of views, lol. We probably made your decision alot tougher.

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Gary D
ID: 611251618
Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 17:04

I also felt the same way as to3ball but dont want to second guess BD with a WWR 25.
But imo i pull the trigger. Of course im a tradaholic....

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The Bandwagon
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Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 17:13

2 to 1 in favor of KG to Paul after tonight's game. Thanks for chiming in Gary D.

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tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 17:35

The KG to Paul move is not clear cut on its own. The thing that tips it for me, is the opportunity is to take the $2M from KG, add it to the $2.74 Pica has in cash plus the value from Telfair, and you can upgrade Telfair (whose price gains may be at the end) to a +/- $7M player with pricing upside. Pica has mentioned JRich, a viable option, Turkoglu would be another, both have the benefit of G/F.

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Gary D
ID: 611251618
Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 17:57

Telfair is maxed out....Looking at doing the same. Need to get g/f in gaurd slot for my team. Just not sure how im going about that yet.

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The Bandwagon
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Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 18:27

Good points, excellent discussion. I agree that Telfair is maxed out $$ wise, but in Telfair's defense, he doesn't have to be sold yet. A better date to sell Telfair IMO would be when Pica dealt with Wade or Howard in the coming days. Lots of options on 1/3.

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dpr
ID: 1733917
Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 18:34

if i want to get into nash on 1.3 from Boozer/Howard I need to get a forward from wade. Do any stand out? the best i see is Igoudala. Is he worth taking over Davis to get Nash over marion. Little worried about the 2 days off for baron anyways.

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dpr
ID: 1733917
Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 18:55

I need to complete my thinking before i post.

If i go to Igoudala I could pick up baron later from Aljeff after the 2 days off which looks pretty good. Marion and Stoudamire arent really standin out as guys to get.

An alternative is to move to Nash from Aljeff and get baron earlier and have Wallace instead of Igoudala. Id also stop in Camby this way.

Comparison
A gets
1 Bynum
2 Nash
16 Iggy thru 1/26

B gets
4 Camby
4 Davis
13 Wallace thru 1/26
uses 1 more trade

pretty much deciding where to go from Wade, boozer, howard, paul, Al jeff, and iverson. Both plans ahve me getting nash, bynum(kaman), duncan, davis, and Howard(again) its just the order I pick them up. With plan B i get 2 more games likely from higher per game players but use an extra trade. I also will get on any nash and Bynum gains late while having baron for the brief gap in his schedule. The use of the 1 extra trade in B leaves me with only one extra trade to get thru 1/8. Amazingly none of the sell dates of the players im moving change with either plan.

Which do u guys like more? Im leaning the riskier option of B. if it doesnt make total sense i can tye out the actual moves instead of just the summary

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tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 19:26

116 - If Pica wants Paul, he needs to use Telfair to free up the Guard spot, otherwise, holding Telfair a bit longer would make sense.

118 - dpr, I'm looking at the same 2 options from Wade. Right now, I'm leaning towards Iggy, perhaps influenced by Wallace's injury history. I've started to look at options for 1/3, same cast, but things seem to change for me lately as I get closer to trade dates, so I'll worry about those next week.

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dpr
ID: 1733917
Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 00:41

Got a plan C.
Plan A except Duncan from Wade instead of Iggy and then pick up Stoudemire or rotate Camby to Kobe to Stoudemire and the rest the same. This gives me 1 Duncan and 13 Stoudemire instead of the 16 Igoudala.

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Pica
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Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 13:52

Thanks Bandwagon, Gary D and tothreeball for your comments. I think I'm leaning towards holding things until the back to back games and then do a major do over when Wade comes off the book. I'll gut it out without Paul this stretch.

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The Bandwagon
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Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 14:58

Would it be crazy to go Telfair to Richard Jefferson today and lose 1 game? I'm looking to lock Jefferson in as a long term hold.

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The Bandwagon
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Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 10:17

AK-47 almost made it to the end of his schedule, but the time has come for us to depart ways. With his injury last night, Boozer sitting out the 4th quarter due to a blowout, and Wade going off for 80+, I dropped 30+ spots in WWR. Rrrr

Looks like my options from AK-47 are:
Gerald Wallace
Caron Butler
Iggy(in gravity)
Paul Pierce(in gravity)

I was going to avoid Gerald Wallace (guess why) but he has the better schedule of the four, and he is easy to get out of. Do you guys see anything else, or have a preference?

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Pica
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Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 10:33

Captain, I prefer Wallace out of the pack. In fact I am working out a plan to get him as well. I see him being erratic but should be a constant gainer with that schedule from other sources.

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Senator Urine
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Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 12:30

I'd probably go with Wallace too, and this is coming from someone who is completely unable to get him.

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The Bandwagon
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Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 12:49

Looks like Wallace it is. I had all my moves mapped out over the next 3 weeks, and this move changes it all. It's a total waste of time to plan for more than 5 days in this game.

SU, it might be a good thing you can't get Wallace.

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tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 09:23

I've got a pretty tight trading plan through 1/9 refresh. Looking at Wade/Dorell to Baron/Lou Williams today. I need Williams at sub $1M price to get the players I want next week. I assume our other 3 Wade holders are moving him today.

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Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 09:24

I have a problem with DWright, there's still no news on him. I'd have 4.36 to spend. My original plan had me holding him until 1/8 for a transition into Calderon. If I have to move, my best bets are looking to be:

A) Wright to Calderon now. Hopefully the big price hits are over already, and I'll actually absorb some early buys. If you project it out from today to the end of Calderon's holdable schedule, he's still #1. If you project the next 9 days (days until Calderon's schedule really heats up), you can only get 20 to 30 points over him which doesn't come close to justifying a trade.

B) Wright to Louis Williams. I'd imagine after the Korver trade there would be some money here, but you never know how Louis is going to produce, and this option takes up a valuable guard spot and in reality means I skip Calderon altogether. A plus for this is I'd have the option to finally upgrade Stephen Jackson to Amare, but this would leave me with no room for error - I'd have exactly one trade to move Duncan back into Dwight.

C) Wright to Sean Williams. He's establishing his role it seems and has been producing and is cheap. On the other hand, he'd be replacing Calderon's spot so it's the same situation, but Louis Williams is cheaper.

I don't want to go near Yi, he's a bad game away from becoming a sell. Jeff Green could be interesting, but again that would prevent Calderon and he's still in gravity.

I should note that my Paul escape plan is Jamison, with the intention of holding him forever.

This is all very difficult to plan because after the next few weeks there are a lot of options and who knows which are still going to be producing well at that time. There's Lebron, Boozer, Josh Smith, Kobe, etc. Can't really plan that far ahead.

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Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 09:49

I'm starting to question the idea of picking up Jamison and holding him forever.

Instead I could grab Louis from Wright today, grab Amare instead of Duncan, and then move Paul into Duncan for the back to back before going back into Howard. The only downside to this is that it again locks me out of Calderon.

But then again I may want Jamison...

Also, how holdable is Louis? He may start taking hits as early as a week, with no clear sell date. I took that into account with Dalembert, I'm planning on eating one big hit and a small one before moving him, but I don't know if I can do that with an 800k player. I'd have about 2 million to work with, and with Bibby and Martin coming back Beno probably won't be a realistic option anymore.

Maybe I should just take Calderon and Jamison as I originally planned.

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tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 10:09

Senator, I'm a couple million less in RV so that may be influencing my decision to go to Williams. He has some pretty decent upside, and downside is limited as his price is $800K. I'm looking at Kobe, Kaman, Duncan (back to Howard) and Caron Butler. To get them I need a sub $1M player I can just put away, and Williams fits the bill. In your case your center spots are locked with Sammy D and Nazr. If you want to get Kaman or Bynum back from one of them in the next week to 10 days, the extra cash may come in handy.

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The Bandwagon
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Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 11:48

SU, without any hesitation, plan A. Without a doubt, Calderon is head and shoulders above anyone else in that price range. Rondo and McDyess would be next in line.

Do you plan on holding Butler and Jaminson during the week of 1/16 thru 1/22?

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dpr
ID: 311512912
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 11:48

how necessary is it to get back into Howard? right now it is is my plans but if I become trade strapped i will likely skip him. He has the 4 in 5 but then a pretty weak schedule for a few weeks. How long u guys holding him? Also even if i do get Howard im doing so from Iverson and holding Duncan. Is this foolish?

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Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 11:59

#134, Yeah my plan right now is to hold Butler, and if I go the Jamison route, hold him also. The 2 in 7 sucks, but with the way it's set up it looks like people could move back into them immediately. I think they're both great value / trade savers.

I really hope Kobe cools off again because as of now I don't see how I can get him, unless I skip Calderon and Nash and go with Louis today.

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The Bandwagon
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Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 12:07

I will hold Howard thru 1/16. If trades are a concern for you, then skipping Howard and using that trade for TD to a Bobcat would make sense on 1/8.

I assume you're getting TD from Boozer?

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Pica
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ID: 161141312
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 12:11

My team's getting killed for not having Paul and enough Bobcats. I strapped myself in front of the computer for a couple hours and worked out a decent plan:

Wade, Telfair > Gerald, JRich now
KG, Howard > Kobe, Iverson on 3rd
AI > Howard after 4in5

Option trades: Gay, Udrih > Calderon sometime during next trade week if trade allows or can wait until the 9th trade refresh

downside include 1. possibly holding Gay since i won't have a lot of money to upgrade him and he is likely to lose a bundle after another (highly probable) disapointment vs SA. 2. holding GS boys through the 2in6 with NOR, SA. and 3. no Bynum, no Suns.

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Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 12:13

Now there's news on rotoworld that Nash and Grant Hill are banged up. I was planning on getting both and holding them for a good amount of time. I wonder if I should alter my plans with this news.

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dpr
ID: 311512912
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 12:13

Yea from boozer/howard im going to Camby and TD. Duncan stays and Camby becomes Howard AI becomes Howard. In meantime Paul becomes wallace and aljeff nash. that leaves one extra trade but if im short plan b is wait on aljeff to nash til the next week and then have to move AI for a gaurd. Camby also becomes bynum.

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dpr
ID: 311512912
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 12:16

typo above. obviously camby and AI dont both become howrd. CAmby is bynum as stated later.

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Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 13:32

I'm starting to sour a bit on Louis Williams. He really hasn't been doing well, and he's also nursing that toe injury. Combine that with high expectations, it could be a disaster.

If Hill and Nash aren't options in a few days, it would probably make sense to gamble with Williams today and grab Calderon in a few from Beno. But if Hill and Nash are available, I'd want both of them. Both are expected to play tonight so it's too early to rule them out.

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Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 15:43

The Howard situation is going to be interesting. I had planned on holding forever and probably still do, but there are other options I guess. But go take a look at his averages in the sortables - probably the definition of consistency.

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Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 17:12

I think I'm going to go with Calderon. He's been a monster.

I just have a bad feeling about Louis Williams, he's got that injury he's playing through (and not well) and the Sixers in general are in a transition period. Follow up trades wouldn't surprise me. Plus you never know, they might still go with the "win now" charade and give Giricek minutes. Williams really hasn't been that great in general except for that one week where everyone had him but me.

Or am I overanlyzing and being an idiot by skipping Williams?

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The Bandwagon
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ID: 479521116
Sun, Dec 30, 2007, 18:39

SU, I like your decision of Calderon. You probably saved yourself a trade or two.

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Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 12:10

The Nazr situation is certainly taking a turn for the worse in a quick way. With news that he's going to split minutes with Okafor is not exactly good news. Nazr is quickly risen to # in center ownership and has a ton to lose. What if Nazr repeats the same performance with the same amount of minutes today? Does that warrant a massive selloff?

In a way he could open up a way to get back to Bynum or possibly Calderon. That would probably impact the choice of stud swap from KG and Howard on the 3rd though. Is any of you guys concerned about the situation?

148

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 12:24

Yeah I'm getting nervous about it too. I'll run some options in a bit, but the thing that jumps out obviously is getting back into Bynum. Hopefully Bynum's recent two subpar outings were due to Boozer / KG, and not Kwame.

I should also note that if I sell Nazr, I'd have exactly one trade left for moving my Howard replacement back into Howard. Can nothing stupid happen over the course of a week? If Nazr stinks today and his next game, I think it's a chance I'll have to take.

149

The Bandwagon@work
ID: 151118518
Mon, Dec 31, 2007, 14:59

At this stage in the season, I hate having players on my roster that come off the bench (Nazr). I was hoping he could last to 1/23, but that isn't going to happen. The good think for us, is that there are some cheap options at center.

With my future plans, I'll probably jump on the hot $$ train (F or C) from Nazr with intentions of upgrading that slot on 1/17 when Howard is gone.

150

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 11:55

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1	dpr-93	8381	289.5	5405.5	2	72.66	0.26	72.40	-0.08	3
2	tothreeball-502	8170.5	337	5370	59	67.44	2.64	64.80	0.27	1
3	Senator Urine-190	8145	321	5155.5	53	69.77	0.37	69.40	0.27	2
4	The Bandwagon-1022	8096.5	342.5	5211.5	38	69.35	1.30	68.05	0.24	4
5	Blooki-845	8063.5	337.5	5196.5	127	69.34	0.69	68.65	0.25	2
6	Winston-1104	8058	295	5144.5	52	68.36	1.85	66.51	0.14	4
7	Pica-4490	7985	251	5154	96	67.93	1.24	66.69	0.06	2
8	Gary Dotson-5568	7891	302.5	5075.5	183	66.42	0.79	65.63	0.07	0

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The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 13:02

Happy New Year to everyone on Team Bandwagon and the forum.

Our team is set up nicely for the new year with a trade advantage over the other GMD teams. Keep up the good work, and plan wisely.

152

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 22:32

Speaking of planning wisely, I'm sitting here looking at my roster and future moves and I see Baron Davis, Gerald Wallace, Amare Stoudamire, and Grant Hill either on my team, or in the plans. What happened to my strategy of avoiding injury prone players? lol

It's amazing how a good schedule, good production, and lack of $$ will make you compromise your fantasy morals.

I love this game!

153

SU in library
ID: 4305216
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 17:55

Hey guys, unfortunately I'm not going to have internet access until tomorrow night sometime, I was able to get on for a few minutes in a library. So that means I'll only have a couple hours to plan before the SA game.

I'm in a bit of a terrible trade situation. A few days ago I thought I would have one extra trade after moving Duncan/Nugget back into Howard. But the combination of the DWright injury with the Nazr situation has really screwed that up.

Six trades - Howard, Boozer, Duncan, and Paul are must sells. Nazr will more than likely be one also. Beno I'd like to move also. That's all six. I'll be holding Stephen Jackson and Baron once again.

In addition to getting back Howard, I'm thinking of taking Duncan (I may be forced into Carmelo unfortunately), Amare, Grant Hill, Bynum, and Jamison (for an endless hold). I'd be holding Amare for a long time also, not moving him into a Washington player as some will ultimately do.

Let's say Nazr has to go - would you
A) Move him for Bynum, hold Udrih
B) Move him for Hill, hold Udrih
C) Sell both and hope nothing goes wrong

I'm going to be kicked off in 7 minutes, so I'll probably just end up figuring it out tomorrow at the deadline. I've already projected out the next five weeks and it's ugly. I had a couple good rotations that got derailed by the Wright situation.

154

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Wed, Jan 02, 2008, 22:35

Happy New Year team. Just returned from some holiday travel and am trying to catch up on a few things. I have 5 trades with plans for each of them this week, however, Nazr will now have to go. I'll move him to Jrich tomorrow in conjunction with Howard and Boozer to Duncan and Amare. Will move Paul to Butler on 1/6 and Duncan back to Howard on 1/8. I'll keep Outlaw who'd originally been on the trade block, and move him next week. Thought about keeping Howard or Paul. Paul will have one heavy sale date, Howard probably 2. Paul's schedule too spotty to keep although the way he's producing it is tempting. Just don't want to take the RV hits.

Is anyone considering holding Howard?

155

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 04:46

SU: with another stinker from Nazr, I think he is a must sell. I am selling him for Bynum. I checked the boxscores of two previous Laker games and he underperformed due to foul trouble in Boston game and Lakers blowing out the Jazz. Even Kobe played less than 30 minutes in the Jazz game.

tothreeball: I'm not going to keep Howard at all. You could be looking at around 1m in price swings and about 130-150 points down from going to alternatives and then back. It's worth 2 trades in my opinion.

156

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 09:25

These trades are pretty much set:

Howard, Nazr > TD/Amare, Bynum now
KG > Kobe on the 6th
TD/Amare > Howard

Next trade week would do Beno > Calderon on the 9th. or on the 6th depending on trade situation.

But i have two questions that need some comment from my teammates.
1. Between TD and Amare, who do you guys prefer and who do you think are more of a long term hold? Is it safe to assume those pickup TD will flip him back to Howard and those who got Amare tends to hold him longer?

2. I am considering going aggressive and trade one or even both warriors, for either TD/Amare and Hill/Salmons. If I rid of the warrior(s), i likely won't pick them back up after refresh. Does it really worth the trades into like a Sun, where you pickup 5-3 game advantage this week but warriors quickly even that out in the next trade week? Should I just better off keep the GS boys?

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