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Subject: Soulman's '07-'08 GMD Team (TP4)

Posted by: Dave R - SuperDude [3010361110] Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 07:44

Big time changes for today..

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 09:08

Trade day.... clearly Nazr is a must sell, unless you enjoy owning one of the biggest losers upcoming with seemingly no chance to recoup losses.

Is Howard a must sell? For trade strapped maybe holding is the way to go. He should make most of his losses back in 5 days.

I have 4 trades today. Howard, Nazr, Deron, Boozer. And need 2 centers.

1) Skip Bynum
Nazr/Howard/Boozer/Deron => Nash/TD or Camby/Hill/Amare
1/8 TD or Camby => Howard

Would get Kaman from Howard on 1/17

2) Skip Nash or Amare, same scenario as above, with Bynum

Get Kaman from Bynum 1/15

3) Skip a return to Howard

Nazr/Boozer/Howard/Deron => Bynum/Amare/Hill/Nash

Get Kaman from Bynum on 1/15

Hill ( or a comparably priced player )has to be included to afford Bynum to Kaman. Option 3 uses 1 less trade

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 09:28

Dave,
as I skip Bynum too, I like option one the best.

I for myself go Deron, Howard, Nazr to Nash, Amare an J.Rich!

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 10:32

Here are my moves for the day:

Boozer/Howard =>TD/Amare
Nazr =>Hill

I have 3 trades and $4.8 M left to get me Paul=>Kobe on 1-6 and TD=>Howard on 1-8.

That still leaves me with 1 trade left.

Next week I only foresee moving Kobe=>Nash and Telfair, and maybe Udrih depending on Bibby's returns. So maybe I can start banking trades.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 11:01

It seems I need to put myself at one trade... already.
Howard/Boozer/Nazr have to go.
Holding Howard is not an option for me, 1st among Forwards, not going there. Nazr really needs to go too, the losses will be too massive and I need to dampen that (Baron/Al Jef will lose some and stay on my team untill further notice)
Amare is lock.
Would really like to get Duncan too, but that might be way too risky.
If I want Howard back(and yes i would like that), then i will be needing Duncan to make it all work nice.

I have 26 mil to work with and any trio I come up with brings me to Duncan and his nice price.
Need to think more.

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 11:07

Forgot to mention...

Dave,

I like option 1 as well.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 11:10

2

option 1

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 11:22

Option 3 aint that bad either Dave. Now that I look better at it.
No Dwight though.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 11:58

Dave, I like option 3 best. Thanks by the way for starting the new TP thread and sorry I didn't do it myself. Did so much writing in several places yesterday that I completely forgot to open the new thread.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 12:26

Man, that Dorell injury plus all the Nazr panic screws over my whole team. Can't hold Dwight because I need the money to get a decent player from Dorell's slot, so it looks like I'm forced to go down to one trade today. Means I'm tradeless by Sunday or earlier. This is gonna be one rough TP for my team, and another lesson why I should learn to manage my trades better...

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 12:32

I am in a very similar situation Soulman, one trade left no matter how I turn it.
And I feel the same.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 12:59

Soulman, why don't you sell Paul instead of Howard if you have to sell three players today. Paul is a must go this week, so why not today? Then you can keep Howard and mimimize your risk.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 13:25

Yeah, I did think about that but then realized that Paul isn't any more of a must sell on Sunday than Howard is today. Paul could also conceivably be held through the gap and I think that Howard holders will suffer much bigger hits than Paul holders. And that's not only because Howard's ownership is much higher overall, but also because it will oscillate between extremes while Paul could hover at relatively low ownership for weeks. Means he could be a real good differentiatior if he continues to produce like he has. Add to this that Paul's next two matchups are about the best imaginable (GSW/PHO) while Dwight has to battle Yao, and it's clear to me that I want to sell Howard and keep Paul. But thanks for the suggestion, much appreciated.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 13:29

I was thinking the same thing as Dilo, Soulman. It would be costly tonight for sure, but at least Howard will get some buys back in a few days. Not sure when Paul would.

If you hold Howard, it looks like you have around $6M to replace Nazr and Dorell. AND, no Guards.
Before last night I may have considered Boone or Sean from NJ, but neither faired to well. I do still think Sean is a viable option though.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 13:42

I appreciate all your help trying to find solutions for my tricky situation but since my whining in post #10, I actually identified six players I like and with whom almost every possible 3-man combo works out as an replacement for Dwight/Nazr/Dorell. And Sean isn't even one of these 6, so I just need to make up my mind which three of them I like best. :)

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 17:44

Starting to look like Booz/Dwight/Nazr will become Nash/Amare/Hill today.
And no Duncan.
Al Jef should become Dwight on monday with my last trade.

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 18:22

Tough decision fro me for the 4 game switch from Howard and back. I like Camby's point potential more however Duncan's monetary gains probably make him the safer (better?) way to go.

It's going to be Haward/Nazr -> Amare/Duncan or Camby for me. Since I am low on trades, another advantage for Duncan is that if something happens and I have to burn my last trade before getting Howard, he can be held.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 18:38

I hate those days when there are way too many options to consider. I'm at a loss to give any advice as I'm totally undecided myself.

I basically came down to two options on which I'd love to hear team's voice:

Option A: With Bynum, holding McDyess through 3-day hole, no room for injuries:
Today: Booz/Nazr/Dwight -> Duncan / Stoud / Bynum
Tomorrow: Hinrich -> Mo.Williams
Tuesday: Duncan -> Dwight

Option B: No Bynum, holding Hinrich till trade refresh, No Mo. Williams (which I really like), no room for injuries:
Today: Booz/Nazr/Dwight -> Duncan / Stoud / JRich
Sunday: McDyess -> Calderon
Tuesday: Duncan -> Dwight

There's an option C with J Rich and Mo Will, no Bynum and holding McDyess that would have my preference but that would require that Duncan gains and Howard losses open a 620k window between today and Tuesday. How realistic this is ?

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 19:12

18

I like Option A more than B-McDyess has a 5 game week next week so holding through 3 days off is not as bad as it seems. I like MoWill more than JRich and Bynum is sure to make a lot of money.

As fas as C goes, I really don't think that would be a problem- IMO,I see the number being closer to 1 million than 620k.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 19:59

Gescom gave me another idea..

I couldn't afford Amare/Nash and get Howard back and Kaman later, but I could afford

Nazr/Howard/Boozer/Deron => Bynum/Amare/TD/Mo Williams
and 1/8 TD=>Howard
1/15 Bynum to Kaman

as it is now, it's either Mo of Hill at this point...

thoughts?

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 20:50

Went with A.

Dave, if about choosing between Hill and Mo, Mo in a heartbeat: better production, better schedule.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Jan 04, 2008, 11:58

In case you guys are wondering why I first declared Amare as a lock and then ended up being only one of two GMD managers without him: Amare would have forced me to get a 3m F or C from Wright so I had to go a different route. Sean would have been possible but for some reason I don't like him. Another guy I looked at is Thomas but with news from Seattle being that they're considering a small ball lineup with three guards, I saw his PT dwindling. It wasn't the case last night but still I don't trust the rotation in Seattle at all.

Reason I now went with Sacto is that Miller and Salmons have better 30-day averages than guys like JRich, Jax or Hill while priced similar or less. Martin is due back but Artest has just taken his place in the IR for an extended period so their PT is safe. Most important aspect however was that they were not talked about at all and consequently not picked up. So barring injury, it's only up to me and not up to the masses (yes, I would have held Nazr if it weren't for this unnecessary and artificial mass panic) how long exactly to hold them through their good schedule until end of January. For a team in such a sorry trade situation as mine, that looked the most prudent route. I hope you guys agree on my reasoning, let's hope the Kings duo continues their splendid play.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Jan 04, 2008, 14:38

Soulman,
I thought you felt asleep and woke up at 4:55 AM CET :-)

bd
ID: 31281917
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 10:18

Former Soulman teammate looking for advise --
Current players are:
G - Paul, Udrih, Davis, JRich
F - G. Wallace, Hill, Jackson, Gay
C - Bynum, R. Wallace

Option #1) Paul to Kobe and Hold Rasheed through his 3 off days.
Option #2) Paul to Kobe and need C under $6.60 (already have Bynum)
Option #3) Paul to Mo Will and Rasheed to Pau Gasol.

I'm leaning to option #3 but Pau is in Gravity.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 10:20

I can go Paul/Billups to any combination of Richardson/Wallace/Butler/Jamison today. I am tend to both Charlotte players but i am afraid that they aren't a 4 week hold but rather a 2 week hold and then i can got to the Washington boys too. Any thoughts?

By the way Mo Will is no alternative. I don't like him. And tomorrow i will go Al Jeff back to Howard.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 10:27

@Philsphan - before I forget, would you please post your email addy or send it to me at soulman[dot]hoopster[at]gmx[dot]net?

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 10:36

I was planning to go Paul=>Kobe today too, but that move just leaves me sick to my stomach now, considering the bad moves I've recently made (Sammy instead of Bynum) and Kobe just isn't producing.

I am now leaning =>Mo Williams/Wallace, with a lean to Wallace. But Williams does give me the in to Nash that I want on the 15th.

Also, with Telfair's big drop last night and the fact that I am dropping him Wednesday anyway, I'm liking Telfair=>Daniels today.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 10:38

I'm not sure I would be picking up any Washington players today, they are a much better fit down the road, from multiple options.

I guess if you are hoping to lock in someone for the looooong haul..... but there are + 2 games to be gained by Charlotte players through the 19th. There is a 2 game week involved so any gains will be short lived IMO.

Haven't seen any talk here about Beno, but I think he is a hold at this point. Calderon is certainly an upgrade, albeit short term, and Daniels is about as lateral as it gets. I would think holding for now as a lot will change over the next few days, etc.

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 10:51

I could go Paul/Telfair=>Williams/Wallace. That leaves me 140K short of getting into Howard from TD, but that window should close by Tuesday and I should be on the right side of it by then.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 11:05

My take on all the topics raised today is as follows:

- From my perspective, Kobe is the prophet of disappointment. I would absolutely advise against getting him.
- GWall & JRich are the hottest picks right now and still have not maxed out. Get them if you still lack either.
- MoWill is a decent player per se but the Bucks are awful as a team. I see many nights coming where their top performer outputs 23. Mo could produce nevertheless but there is some TSNP risk with him (along the usual injury risk). Still, he's a viable option today.
- I agree with Dave that Udrih is a hold. IMO any move to Calderon or Daniels would equal throwing a trade out of the window and asking for injury elsewhere.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 11:16

Means my individual advice would be as follows:

Philsphan -- Go Wallace. He gives you the same in to Nash on 1/15 if you really want him.

turnabouts -- Go JRich/GWall. Bobcats over Wizards in a heartbeat.

bd -- Go MoWill + Dwight or Amare. Why get a gravity-burdened Gasol (who is a sell on 1/14) if you can get Amare or Dwight? Amare if you feel lucky and Dwight if you want to play it safe. Alternatively, you could keep Sheed but I like upgrading him better.

bd
ID: 31281917
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 23:05

Sorry Soulman, I changed my mind several times today but ended up going against your advice and went with Mo and Gasol. I couldn't afford Howard and was very tempted to go to Amare. I figure if Gasol starts performing well then he be kept and if not then I can sell on 1/14 and go to Camby.
Kobe with 13.5 at halftime so at this point (although it's very early in the week) it looks like avoiding him was a good idea.
Gasol had 43 today so not the greatest, but very acceptable.

CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Mon, Jan 07, 2008, 00:01

31 Dave R
I totally agree with holding Beno for we can not buy trades. But Calderon might have been the ticket as he performs great for the money. I guess Beno only going down 50k today helps the hold, but I had to undo buy into Calderon due to not wanting to waste trades. Not sure if that would have been a waste?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 07, 2008, 01:31

Hill over Bynum was a horrible idea, bah.

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Mon, Jan 07, 2008, 02:01

Bynum has been on FIRE as of late. Seems to be shooting over .700 from the field (.624 on the season, .672 last month) with multiple blocks and meaty double doubles. I wondered about Kwame coming back and siphoning minutes- maybe even sending Bynum back to the bench. But Bynum has just progressed too far. Kwame looks decent, but he's nowhere near the force that Bynum has become. Bynum even seems to have mostly overcome his fouling ways. He's averaging the same number of fouls this season as he did last year and he's playing 33% more minutes this year. Minutes were up in December yet fouls were down. He is capable of the occasional quiet night but I wouldn't bet against him over time.

Wow, all that, and he's not even a pacer. :-)

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 07, 2008, 02:03

that doesnt make me feel much better PR :)

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Mon, Jan 07, 2008, 02:27

If you really want to feel good...over the last month he's the #23 ranked player for 8-cat per game stats. Playing like a late second-rounder and also C eligible. But I could see how you could miss him ;-)

To be fair, Hill's ranked 32nd overall per game in the same period so not at all a bad play....assuming he plays....

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 07, 2008, 10:39

I am looking to do....

A.
Al Jef to Dwight today... or...

B.
Nash to Dwight tomorrow and Al Jef to J.Smith the next day

Thoughts?

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Jan 07, 2008, 10:49

Without a shred of doubt...... hold Nash.

Essentially you want to trade Nash for Josh, and I fail to see the advantage. You keep Jefferson's game tomorrow, and there is a 5-4 advantage over 8 days for Josh, but over 3 weeks Nash play 1 more game.

Unless you plan on moving Josh back to Nash on 1/17, to me, it's a waste of a trade.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 07, 2008, 11:13

good point Dave, thanks.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Jan 07, 2008, 11:16

Hey, it's just my opinion, maybe others disagree. But you have been a little "trade strapped" lately....

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 07, 2008, 11:24

very true and I looked at it better and agree.
Am looking for ways into Kaman and that route helped mainly.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Jan 07, 2008, 11:30

Dalembart to Kaman works easy in a week or so

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 07, 2008, 11:34

Agreed as early as 1/12 I will make that move.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Mon, Jan 07, 2008, 11:39

42

Do A. I make the same move. I am gonna hold Nash through his 2 in 6 next week too.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 07, 2008, 15:02

yes turnabouts I will make the same move.
I also want to apologize for my terrible performance the last 5 swps. I hope to turn things around soon. It all started with missing the Wade freeze, you all surely remember that.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 08:47

Duncan to Howard for me today

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 09:09

Same Here. And I like that in Howard numbers. 5 of the next 6 games are on the road.

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 10:26

Well, those Howard gains last night ruined my plans completely. Maybe it's just me and my inexperience, but I really didn't expect that much of a gain. Oh well, live and learn.

My original plan was Howard=>Kaman, now I have some options today.

A. TD=>Bynum. I think Duncan loses too much today because of the big >Howard move. I would really like to avoid those losses. This would be a pure points move obviously, as Bynums gains are probably maxed. But Bynum then goes smoothly into Kaman on the 15th.

B. TD=>Hedo. Move him to Roy/Aldridge after the 4-in-5. I would get into Kaman thru Dalembert.

C. Hold TD. Saves the trade but loses three games over the next 3 weeks.

Any thoguhts?
Any thoughts? Or I am missing another option?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 10:31

Think moving Duncan is the smart thing to do from a money point of view.
So that leaves A/B.
Tough choice though.
What would you do with the freed up cash Philsphan?
I am doing Dalembert to Kaman soon for what its worth....

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 10:53

Philsphan, you have an in to Kaman in Sammy. Unless you plan on holding Sammy, I'm not sure I would by Bynum at this point.

Maybe consider someone you can hold longer say, Josh Smith. I suppose you could always turn Josh back into TD if you wanted on 1/17, when Howard to TD might be popular. Depends on your trades, but Josh could be held a while. Or Kidd for that matter. He might be a better choice.

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 11:19

55-
I could go Dalmebert=>Marion/JSmith on the 12th. That would take care of the extra cash. I would have to watch that carefully as I will need to get Kidd.

56-
It's that felxibility into Kaman and extra trades that would allow me the 5-game hold of Bynum. Since I only have 1 real "must" move next week I figured I could swing it for the points.

I thought of getting Kidd now, but that didn't give me as many games and I didn't want to hold thru his 2-in-7.

Actually, looking at the assimilator, Kidd's 4 games = Bynum's 5 games. So maybe getting Kidd now is the thing to do?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 11:24

I am looking at Baron to Kidd on 1/19.
See no real other way.
I know its not the most efficient way, but the only reasonable one at this point.
Suns to Kidd on that day would work too, but Phoenix' sked is just too good then.

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 11:29

Deejay, Baron to Kidd on 1/19 was my plan all along too.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 11:31

Maybe you should do Josh Smith(and to Duncan on 1/17) then today.... if that all works financialy?

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 11:58

60-
Financially it's not a problem because Smith and TD are equal pricewise.

But if I do that I might as well get Kidd now and get into TD thru MoWill or Baron. NY and ATL both have 5 games during that time so Kidd still seems the option there.

It's starting to sound like maybe Kidd is an option now....

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 12:47

61- of course I meant NJN... not NY.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 13:32

Philsphan, Kidd could be very well an option today. He should get a lot of buys starting 1/16. The only thing I don't like is the Nets playing Boston in the middle of a 1-in-4 before that.

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 14:42

63-
Not too worried about Boston. NJ has already faced them twice and Kidd had a 46 and 38 TSNP.

I can go Josh Smith to Kidd. Does anyone think Smith will get out of gravity at all?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 14:51

What about Marion, Philsphan?

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 15:06

Yep, Marion looks good too.

Boy, decisions, decisions...

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 15:51

So it looks like I am down to this. TD to:

A. Kidd. Get TD/? from Baron/MoWill.
B. JSmith =>TD on 1/17
C. Marion. Get TD from somewhere else.
D. Bynum =>Kaman. Get TD from Dalembert.

Need to look at a certain CLE player in about 2 weeks too.

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 16:05

FYI, the highest point total is still with taking Kidd today, and it saves at least a trade overall. Does anyone have any objections? I won't have to worry about that position until next month.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 15:52

Hill over Bynum gets even uglier, that wasnt in my plans, will likely go to Jax then...

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 15:55

or to Kaman, but that seems a tad too early isnt it?
If only I could get a G, then it would be an easy choice(ie Calderon)

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 16:32

Philsphan, what are you doing with Hill?

Usual Suspects
ID: 5510262310
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 16:55

Finally getting rid of Granger today and picking up Calderon....that's it for now

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 19:14

Sorry guys, I've been tied up in meetings all day and been unable to do any research at all.

My first thought is Daniels to free up a little cash. Does anyone else have any thougts?

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 19:16

Or Calderon I suppose...

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 19:19

Calderon I would say, cant get him myself, but he will be popular today.

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 19:22

Too late for that now, I missed tipoff. Now thinking Hedo...

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 19:24

Jax/Hedo/Kaman(too early) it comes down for me.
Cant really decide.

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 19:25

I can't get Kaman )short by 18K), but I'll get into him later.

Hedo/SJax/RJeff for me...

Not much time to decide..

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 19:28

Not too wild about RJef right now.
Kaman seems too early.
Jax has all this owners.
Hedo has the shortest schedule.

Stupid Hill.

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 19:28

I went SJax. That still gives me the $$ to get into Kaman later.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 19:29

Leaning towards that too.

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 19:31

Stupid stupid Hill.

If my meeting had broken 20 minutes earlier I'd have Calderon and life would be good.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 21:03

Changed my tune, if no one opposes then I will get Kaman today.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 05:32

and good I did, now theres Nash/Baron, close to surrendering right now.

turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 05:54

85

Baron Davis is a hold i think.

With Nash it is another situation. If he's not gonna play today he will have a 2 in 7. To bad that his game tonight will be the last so you cannot wait until gametime because the other games have already started.

Perhaps this opens the door for Calderon who is a perfect fit for going into Washington players on 1/21 or even a longtime hold.

Other options are Duncan (maybe too early), Gasol, Brad Miller, Marion, Butler, Jamison, Baron Davis...

Don't know what to do...

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 06:05

yes Baron is a hold true.
Dont see Nash playing tonight, he didnt even travel with the team to Utah.
Looking at Duncan/Marion right now.

It seems that I dont handle all this that well anymore. Disappointmentwise.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 08:43

3 Nash's. I don't have him here, but do on some teams. Not sure what to do, seems there is a possibility that if he wakes up and feels better, he may fly to Utah and play. Unfortunately, the Suns play the 2nd game of tonights double header, so it's unlikely we will know if he plays until late, and I've found the Yahoo lineups to be later than normal for those late TNT games. What are the options:

Assuming Nash sits, he is faced with a 2-7, before his schedule heats up:

Marion- Gain of 1 game over the entire Phoenix schedule

Mo Williams- Gain 2 games in 7 days
Butler- Gain 2 games in 7 days
TD- Gain 1 game in 7 days

But after the 7 days:

In 2 days gains his 2 game advantage back from Mo, in 4 days gains the 2 games back from Butler, and in 2 days gains the 1 game back from TD

Through 1/29 ( Nash's likely sell date )

Nash 10 games
Mo 11 games
Butler and TD 10 games

All assuming Nash doesn't play tonight. Trading to TD will likely require a decision in advance of knowing for sure whether Nash plays, Mo and Butler can wait until tomorrow.

Marion might be the best choice if we have posted lineups in advance by Yahoo. Or Mo tomorrow.

And I don't think holding in any event is the worst thing.

I don't think I missed any logical replacements. Thoughts?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 08:50

My thoughts?

1. I dont think he will play
2. I am screwed
3. Marion/Duncan seem in fact the best options

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 10:39

89

To continue, holding Nash might indeed not hurt that much. Now I looked better at your post and cooled of a bit.

The way I see it, I have 3 trades and Dalembert/Nash/Lou would use all 3 of them pretty fast. And Bibbys return scares me too much to not keep a trade reserved for Beno.
Thats 4, dont have those.

Dalembert/Lou could be kept till 1/27, but not wild about that.
Sammy is gonna get some serious hits very very soon. And I dont think I want to experience those.
So hold Nash, or hold Louis this week it seems(with Beno in mind) to be.

The Sun aint gonna shine anymore. :(

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 12:01

Any thoughts on my foursome(Nash/Dalembert/Louis/Beno) and 3 trades?

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 12:19

I think Nash with Dalembert Beno and Williams you should hold Nash, DJ. I'm thinking of holding him myself.
Contemplating selling Iggy today, what are the oppinions on mo williams?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 12:23

Starting to think that too, Dilo.

Mo Wil is an option, have him on another team.
Guard spots are valuable though.

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 14:53

I'm seeing alot of chatter about selling Dalembert today. Frankly, after last night's Baron-Maxiell-Jackson trio giving me less than 20 TSP total I am not inclined to sell Sammy for Kaman and lose the game and points. But he could go down big tonight.

But what do I know? I expected to get into Howard from TD despite my negative window.

As for Beno, I'm wondering how much longer to hold. Although Beno>Daniels is lateral, there should be $$$ to make after tonight, despite thier opponents next week. To me, that doesn't sound like a bad idea to get some cheap RV with potentially little impact on TSP.

As for MoWilliams, he has been very good for me so far. I'm now thinking of keeping him through to the end of the month.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 18:04

Ive been staring for hours at my team and I still dont know what exactly to do. Pfft.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 20:31

gonna hold everyone today

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 08:40

Was last night Beno's swan song? Did he reward us with a sweet going away present? With Martin due back possibly tomorrow ( Monday at the latest ) and Bibby due back Wednesday, expect Beno's value to soon take a hit. Although word is both will come off the bench to start.

We have 8 Beno's, most of any GMD team. In looking at possible replacements, schedule wise today probably makes the most sense, unless the feeling is he lasts beyond the B2B, the 18th and 19th.

Unless rosters have been structured to upgrade, the popular replacements would be:

Antonio Daniels- wonderful long term hold and no Gilbert on the horizon anytime soon. Schedule is golden until the end of February.

Anthony Carter- another long term hold, Atkins likely done for the year, no competition other than AI and Melo dominating the ball at times. Will drive you crazy, putting up anywhere from 10 to 40 on a given night

Anthony Johnson- the cheapest of the bunch and lowest TSN ppg

Between now and 2/26 ( likely as long as Daniels and Anthony could possibly last ), Washington plays 24 games, Atlanta 23 and Denver 22. Atlanta's schedule stretches well beyond the 26th.

Anyone give trading Beno today a thought?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 08:43

Yes I do Dave.
On the other hand he gained 60k last night.
And he played well .... again.

Those indeed are the 3 options.
Not too wild about AJohnson.
The other 2 I like, but not sure which one most.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 09:22

I'm not planning to trade Beno soon, at least not this week. Even with Bibby and Martin back, the Kings apparently want to give him close to 30 minutes per game and play Bibby at SG as well as PG. I think Salmons and Garcia will take hits in their value before Beno.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that I would like to wait and see a game with Bibby first to see how this pans out and would love to be able hold Beno till 1/20. Of course, if Beno starts losing 100k every night, that's another story.

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Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 10:42

I'm with Gescom. I would rather hold on to Beno unless the money losses are too much.

On the other hand, I think I am going to do Maxiell=>Carter today or Monday and be done with Maxiell once and for all.

I am also planning on moving Sammy=>Kaman tomorrow.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 11:08

I agree, I'd rather hold Beno as well. I wanted to point out in my post above, that unless you hold until 1/20, today is the day to make the move from a game perspective. Actually with Carter it can be done by the 17th with no loss of games.

104

Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 11:28

I agree with holding Beno. I am moving Maxiell-Joe Smith today. Do you think he can continue his production and get around 30 mpg game forward?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 11:52

I wouldnt mind holding, but it seems the one I like most (ADaniels), makes the most sense to do it today.
Not sure if I can handle Carter inconsistency next to Louis' one.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 13:06

Second thoughts...

On 1/20, I was planning to sell a bunch of players including Beno to get a bunch of players including Daniels. Another way to look at it is I was planning Beno -> Daniels on 1/20. Doing it today doesn't gain any game so I guess it's about the money and points. Money should be there even if I suspect Daniels will take a hit on 1/16. Points should be more or less a wash. So now I'm in doubt. Thanks Dave :)

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Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 13:29

*Intruder*

I am fearful that Beno will be a victim of "perception is reality" with the ever-increasing news of Martin and Bibby's returns.

The reality might be that Beno has only a modest decrease in minutes and would make him holdable until a later date.....

....but I fear the perception of the market as a whole will see the Martin and Bibby returns and start selling. Then it will have a snowball effect on his price and then you're giving up games if you have to pull the rip chord and eject. I'm inclined to go to Daniels tonight but am still debating.

108

Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 14:09

INTRUDER

Gescom - great analysis. I am thinking the same thing and leaning towards holding.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 14:18

I'm actually leaning towards selling. As Gescom said, the money should be there. My main worry is the 2 games vs Boston.

We can predict money swings, but not points.

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Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 17:00

So are we selling Beno today?

111

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 17:06

110

No.

I will hold and i hope i can hold him till 1/19.

112

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 17:18

I can see both sides' arguments but I feel holding is the prudent thing to do. If Daniels is anything less but spectacular during the 4in5, we'll see "Daniels >> ???" all over the place next week. And IMO chances that he is spectacular are quite slim with two of the four matchups being BOS.

Besides, with the rate that popular players are dropping at the moment (Hill, Nash, etc.) I think it's suicide to drop a healthy schedule and knowingly buy into a 2in7 of a player who just missed 7 games injured and scored 3.0 TSNP in his last. And the other options from Beno aren't that spectacular either. So from my POV Beno is clearly a hold.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 17:26

Leaning towards selling(for Daniels). I dont really want to, but it has to happen soon anyway, and I dont think he makes it till 1/20 without giant losses. And do it in 2 or 3 days and lose games seems silly to me.

My problem is I dont know who to get from Dalembert tomorrow since I already have Kaman.
6mil to spend for a F or C.
Holding is gonna hurt financially I think.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 17:29

112

But there is also NYK as the last game of that 4in5, likely a good night and that is will stick.

This is really a tough decision.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 17:30

deejay, I don't want to thwart your plans or anything but with 3 trades to your name and Lou, Sammy and Nash on your roster, do you really want to buy into Daniels who could be one of the most popular sells next week?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 17:36

Nash is gonna stay or I would have moved last night.
Louis could stay till 1/27.
Leaves Dalembert... and Beno.

Not sure if I agree that Daniels will see a sell off next week.

Anyway I might just hold Beno and package Sammy/Louis tomorrow. And move Beno when I really have to.
That was the original plan.
Not sure which duo though.

You guys might have convinced me...

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 17:54

Third Thoughts...

Looking at my scheduled rotations, Beno -> Daniels today would most probably close a Butler -> Kidd window I have scheduled for next Wednesday. I feel it's more important to keep my stud rotation alive than buy into Daniels today.
Still planning on Beno -> Daniels on 1/20 and I can't disagree that this move makes sense today but in my case it doesn't work well and screw up my rotations.
So holding Beno, final word for me.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 17:58

Moving.

Gescom, as I calculate things, you have a $150K cushion for both now. I would think that would be safe under the assumption Butler will be a big gainer tonight

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Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 18:44

I'm standing pat tonight too. I have bigger fish to fry anyway, what with Maxiell's total non-existence anymore. I should really replace him before Beno, IMO. And I can't move him for a G as I have no flex there, and I don't want to get him for Moon becasue of TOR's short schedule.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 18:50

Actually I would have 200k total with today's prices as I have in the meantime McDyess -> Thomas Monday (not locked) and Bynum -> Kaman Tuesday(locked) scheduled and I suspect Kaman will be more expensive when Tuesday comes with the Dalemberts to Kamans tomorrow. I don't feel to risk it even with Butler gains today.
So I need Beno to hold five more games...

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 18:58

Gonna hold too, prefer to package Lou/Dalembert tomorrow, that will save me more bucks.
Finding a duo that I like is a problem though with only 7mil.
Should package them today but cant find anyone that I like next to ADaniels.

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Dean Martin
ID: 2904350
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 23:36

**Intruder Alert**

Even though I'm not in GMD this year, as always I enjoy reading each GMD teams analysis. After reading Soulman's post #112 re:Daniels, I was thinking the exact same thing. I also can see both sides. As long as stud rotation wasn't affected and you can spare the trade and are highly concerned with creating RV then trading Beno>Daniels was the way to go. However, if you have bigger fish to fry I don't see the logic. Beno's shed is still good, production is there, Bibby will be coming off the bench at first and most of all this guy just put up a major stinker (before tonight) coming off a knee injury that he just aggravated 1/5. At 32 yrs old for his career Daniels only averages per game 23 minutes, 8pts 3.4 assists/2 TO. This tells me the guy is a career backup. Now he's being asked to play starter minutes long term. For his style of play, I'm skeptical whether his body will hold up without injury.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 05:11

-140 already that doesnt bode well.
Still gonna hold him at least today.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 06:48

Need a duo today around 7mil to work with, this is gonna be fun.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 06:50

What about including that Carter dude, deejay? I must say after tonight's game I'm looking at him myself today (from Dre).

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 07:01

Beno to Carter I was looking at for tomorrow Soulman.
Could get him today too, but who do I get from Beno then I wonder?
And a lot more of -140 Im not gonna join.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 07:39

Don't know, maybe a Bull, a Hawk or a Blazer? Actually when looking at the schedule, there are so many options that I'm lost recommending a particular player. I only know that Sixers need to go today and that Beno has at least one more game left. And more if he does well.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 07:55

No worries Soulman, its tough.

After better looking at it I could use someone 5 mil-ish that should become Bynum on 1/20. Unless I throw a Bobcat in the mix that day, but sked is just fine.
Right now my outlook is this:
Today Sammy/Lou out
Tomorrow prolly Beno out
1/17 Dwight out (Duncan/Marion prolly)
1/20 Baron/that player out (Bynum/Kidd/Bron/Butler/and many more)

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 08:54

Think I changed my mind for the Dre exit. Can even afford Duncan so I'm rather thinking him today. Carter does not play until Monday so he can easily wait until tomorrow. If I want him at all - because having looked at his game history I'm sure he'll drive owners crazy with his alternating 10s and 40s. My window for Bynum would then be around 240k. Quite tight but could hold.

Any thoughts on all this?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 09:00

Duncan sounds good Soulman, but Kaman is gonna go up a bunch today I think.
Not convinced 240k will do.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 09:12

It would only be 240k if I do Beno>Carter tomorrow. If I hold Beno (which absolutely is a viable option IMO), today's window for Kaman on Tuesday would be 430. Alternatively, I could replace Duncan by cheaper exits today (e.g. Parker, Mo, Bogut, etc). Or stick with Duncan and get Anthony Johnson instead of Carter.

Any team preferences here?

134

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 09:14

I can go from Iggy to every player today. But i agree with deejay. Kaman will be under the top 3 price movers today. So i will go Iggy - Kaman.

If Udrih stinks tonight and the panic moves starts tomorrow i probably will follow the masses and trade him too.

135

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 09:18

133

I would not go with Bogut and Parker.

I think you will go from Howard to Nash/Stoud on Thursday? Do you have a way into Duncan too (Baron Davis?)? If not i will go for him today.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 09:34

Soulman, I assume you mean your window for Kaman ( meaning from Bynum ). As I calculate it, Dre=> TD, Beno=> Carter and Bynum=> Kaman leaves a cushion of 290K ( hence my confusion ). I'm not sure that will hold. Even playing, my hunch is Beno loses today. Kaman gains. Could be close.

deejay, -332K, ouch.

If you are moving Louis, Sammy and Beno over the next couple days, looks like you have around 9.23 for three slots. Assuming 2 will be cheapies, why not just hold Louis. I know, I wouldn't want him either and don't know what you have planned, but I don't think holding is the end of the world. Is he significantly worse than Anthony Johnson for example? Philly's sched is OK after you get through the 2-6. Maybe pair him with Baron as an entre to Bynum after they play on the 19th. I'm assuming Bynum could be in your plans, Baron goes, and without a double trade you'll have a bunch of cash left over. If you go that route you get 4 games in 8 days from Louis.

I made the Beno => Daniels move yesterday. Money was predictable ( although somewhat surprised Beno lost that much. Not surprised Daniels gained as much.

Regarding post 123, well lets say I wish I was still 32 :) I think Daniels will be fine and look for around 27-30 per from him. Can't beat the schedule.

I must admit after personally watching Boston dismantle the Nets in the 4th Q last night, I don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling about any of the Wizards the next 2 games.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 09:41

Or, deejay, gut it out with Beno til the he plays on the 19th. But that could get ugly. Uglier than Louis.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 09:45

You're right, the cushion is 290k (I miscalculated) and you got the moves I had in mind correctly. Tough decision, I also feel that this could be too narrow thus weighing my other options.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 09:48

Thanks Dave.
I certainly give that consideration.
So far no duo that I really like unless it involves Brad Miller for 5 games.
What youll think about Joe Smith?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 09:50

137

If money was not an issue, then I would hold Beno in a heartbeat. But thats not my case.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 10:01

Joe Smith looks good, but I think Deng is due back soon, not sure what effect that will have. Josh Boone is cheaper yet.

But my point was... let's assume you get real cheap, Johnson and Carter. That leaves around 6.5 mil.... so who? And if you fill that slot with a 5-6 mil player, and if you move Baron and get Bynum, you will have 5-6 mil left and no where to spend it. And if you moved Dwight to TD say, you'd have even more cash.

So then what, looking at your roster, no one else seems to need to be moved and you'll probably turn around and want to upgrade one of the cheapues you just bought.

If you don't have Bynum in your plans, I'll just shut up.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 10:11

Sorry team,
after my trade disaster this week (wen't iggy marion on the day he dnpd, for those who missed this masterpiece) I'm not in posting mood. But I thought I let you all now that I'm still here and planning. Will hold Beno for now and reevaluate tomorrow. I'd like him to be my way into bynum next week, but maybe he's not holdable that long. An indicator may be if he loses on a day he plays. We'll see.
Sorry of beeing no help Soulman, but I just don't have the guts right now to say buy this or sell that.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 10:14

Bynum is indeed in my plans.
The Deng Factor scares me a bit.
Josh Boone I kinda like.
In fact I like both ACarter/Josh Boone, its the less cheap player I cant find. Not wild about about 5 mil gang(Horford,Marvin W and co), brings me to Brad Miller.
If I hold Louis well that doesnt really help that much, I still need a 6 mil player. And it can be no Guard then. RJefferson doesnt excite me either, Jax seems too risky, leaves Brad(or Salmons, but then there is Kevin Martin).
Brings me always to the cheapies it seems.
Its all Hill's fault he should be on that spot.

Let me tell what I had in mind:

1/17 Dwight to Duncan
1/20 Baron/X to Kidd(1/19 would that be) or another stud I like/Bynum

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Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 12:27

Re: 143

deejay, do you really want Brad with Kaman and Bynum on the horizon? I think at best you keep pace TSNP-wise and fall behind TSND-wise and at worst you lose both battles.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 12:47

Thanks for chiming Blooki.
It is risky yes, maybe too risky indeed.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 13:17

I guess, deejay, if you plan on getting Bynum, clearly one of the 3 players you are set on getting today and tomorrow will be moved to him. I'm guessing it would be Miller. So Blooki's concern shouldn't be an issue.

Seems to me like your spinning through a bunch of trades.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 13:26

I know, but louis is still pretty much highly owned it seems. And Sammy needs to go too.
Was gonna use Beno with Baron(for bynum)before the 140k drop, but that seems not a good plan either.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 13:51

That's all true about Louis, but sometimes it's better to suck it up somewhere. You already have 2 must trades next week in Howard and Baron, why add a 3rd? You could do it with Beno, maybe get more points, but likely lose a lot more money.

What's the worst that happens by holding? You get 4 games before moving on, lose some cash, but have the trade.

You need to do what you think is best , maybe I'm dead wrong. Maybe some other Soulmen ( haha, I like that ) will chime in.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 14:33

I feel holding Lou is just moving the problem to next week, then there is indeed Baron/Dwight, Lou would make 3.
Plus Dalembert to who is still very unclear to me. Adding Lou at least gives me the option to throw in a G.
Lou's minutes are going down too the last 3 games, that is not a good indication.

It will be either hold Lou like you say. or get a longer hold instead of Miller.

I really appreciate your help btw.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 14:38

I was wrong I meant to say:
If I do get Miller today,and hold Lou then it are 4 trades next week, thats what I meant with moving the problem.

151

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 14:54

deejay

I don't know if this will help you, but the next three opponents of Philadelphia are SA, Hou and Bos. All three on the road. With so many blowouts in sight Lou will probably play a lot of garbage time.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 15:09

good point.
Been looking at Dalembert --> mid range F(6mil).
But no luck.
Everyone of them brings a problem.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 20:01

deejay, kinda like Carter and Boone too. I think they will be on many rosters soon.
Miller is a too short term hold IMO

Soulman, I like Duncan too.

With the -140 last night which also surprised me, I think Beno is dead tomorrow. I don't know what could save him now apart a Paul-like explosion today. Will likely move him to Carter tomorrow.

Then I can't wait to get rid of McDyess. Looking one week back, that was a mistake to hold through the 3 day hole. Should have hold Hinrich a few more days instead. Well, he will become Thomas or Boone on Monday.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 20:16

Yep, but getting them both doesnt seems to make sense for my team, however I turn it.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 21:14

Ive had it with thinking and writing plans on little papers, wasted a forest in the meantime.
Gonna do Sammy to Joe Smith today.
Decided there is no rush into Boone/RJef and their 2in7. Plus RJef kinda locks me out of Bynum anyway.
Brad/Salmons is indeed too short and the rest of the sub 6mil club, well, I dont want any of them.
Gonna hold Lou.
Beno to ACarter tomorrow.(locked)

Thanks for the all the help.

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Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 21:29

Gescom, I feel the same way about Beno/Maxiell. Definietly going Beno=>Carter tonight, but I will probably shed Maxiell after tomorrow's game. He seems to be doing fairly well tonight so I'll give him one final chance.

Then I'll probably get Boone or AJohnson. I like Johnson for his long-term hold and it frees me up some cash for potential moves, especially around that magic 1/20 date. But I don't think I have the flex to get him, unfortunately.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 05:37

So, i made up my mind about my team. Unfortunately because I have to get rid of 5 players in the next 7 days and have to find a reasonable way into Kaman and Bynum, i'll have to keep udrih till the 19th (then to bynum). Tomorrow i'll go Mcdyess->Carter.
Then on Wed Butler -> Kidd, Tue Howard/Turk to Duncan or Nash, Kaman. Sun Udrih -> Bynum. That leaves me with one emergency trade on sunday and a Roster of:
M.Williams
Kidd
A.Carter
Nash or Duncan
Marion
Gay
Richardson
Stoudemire
Kaman
Bynum

No trades planned for the then upcoming tradeweek, which leaves me with 9 trades in the week when almost everybody has to be changed.
An other plan included buying calderon from udrih today and then calderon -> bynum, but in hindsight of the week that begins on 30th i dont want to start that week with 8 trades (no injuries included) and have to get rid of 6 guys at least in that week.
Close my eyes on udrih now and hope almost erveryone sells him today!

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 05:48

Dilo, that roster looks good. I'm contemplating the same thing with Beno (in my case holding until the 20th) and hoping that everybody sells today. Still not decided though.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 06:07

I am defenitely moving Beno today.
Since I kept Louis for that.

160

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 06:22

I am definitely undecided what to to with Beno. I don't really like all the options today (J. Smith, K. Thomas, A. Carter). And with other problems just around the corner (Salmons and Gay) it looks more uglier. I must think about it and let you know later what i will do.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 07:47

My decision with Beno comes down to this:

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A) Move Beno to Carter/AJ (I need a G) today. Entirely lock me out of Daniels next week and have a forced trade out of Carter soon. I guess no one really thinks Carter lasts for more than say two weeks.

B) Move Beno to Daniels today. Get another ugly Daniels matchup and the hits for his 2in7. Reduce my Bynum>Kaman window on Tuesday to 220k as of now.

C) Hold Beno for now and move to Daniels on 1/20. Eat Beno's losses until then and miss on Carter gains (which might be short lived anyway). Gives me an extra trade until next Sunday, which could be useful in case something drastic happens.
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While writing this down, I'm beginning to think that C would be the wisest thing to do. Still, I'm open to anything so your opinions are welcome as always.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 09:17

Soulman, I think AC would be a great pickup and if he is performing, would be safe for a long time.

That being said, I also think the window with the Daniels P/U for Kaman would be safe. I find it hard to imagine Kaman gains coupled with any losses incurred by Bynum ( if there are early exits ) would exceed $220K.

But there are strange ways people play this game and if Bynum games are sacrificed.... well let's say it is hard to fathom.

Personally, on some teams that still have Beno, I plan on AC today.

165

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 12:36

Beno -> Carter for me, with the intention to hold at least till 1/29 and possibly to AS Break if he does well. I think I've abandoned the idea to get Daniels in the near future.

Trying to see when is a good time to go into Lebron. Would like to get him as soon as 1/20 or 1/21 but that would mean sacrificing either Wallace or Stoudemire and go tradeless on that day as I would like to get Paul and Bynum from Baron and Jackson on 1/20. Not sure I'll do that. We'll see.

166

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 13:10

Beno to AC for me today too.

Near future:
Dwight will become Duncan or Marion
Baron to Kidd/Paul
Louis to Bynum
prolly
Would like to have Lebron/Butler at one point too.

167

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 13:57

Soulman, I thought the same thing about carter. I think he will be that widely owned on 30th that it will be hard to resist to bring home the money. Nonetheless I'm buying him tomorrow (fits well and I can use a money-push)but from Mcdyess, Udrih I will hold as I mentioned above.
For you, with bynum, salmons, howard, miller, davis and udrih (all on the trading block, i think) waiting on udrih could be the safest route to go.

168

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 16:47

162

Would do A.
But Im doing that too, so Im not neutral.

169

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 20:16

I am going Beno to AC.

171

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 08:08

4 Bynums we have.
I am not one of them this time, but do have him on another team.
Dont really who to get. RJefferson maybe.

172

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 08:08

Dont really know, that should say.

173

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 08:16

I see no reason not to carry through, a day early, with the planned Bynum=>Kaman trade

174

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 09:22

This Bynum thing destoys my plany again. But it opens a door to get Kidd. My future plans:

Bynum - Kidd today

Howard - Duncan
Salmons - Marion both on Thursday

Gay - Bynum on Sunday (If Bynum is healthy again)

G.Wallace - Butler
J-Rich - Jamison both on 1/27

The only disadvantage is that i must take Marion instead of Nash. But i think Kidd will outscore Nash over the next 16 days so this will compensate the fewer Marion points.

What do you think about my plans?

175

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 09:31

*intruder*

looks like a good plan...but I think you should plan for bynum not to be healthy.

176

CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 11:20

Agree with 175

Here is the optimist comments :

The 20-year-old center expressed the opinion as he left Staples Center following the game that his injury isn't serious, but perhaps that's simply wishful thinking.

"I feel all right," he said, walking under his own power, although limping slightly, with a brace on his left leg while personal trainer Sean Zarzana carried a pair of crutches.

"It's on the top of the kneecap, and a little on the right," Bynum said. "I was pretty scared. But the X-rays were negative. I never heard a pop. Just when I bend it, it hurts. I'm feeling fine, it's not as bad as I thought. I put ice on it, and it felt better right away."

177

bd
ID: 01081412
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 17:51

Which do you prefer?
Option A) Bynum --> Kaman tonight
Option B) Bynum/Jackson --> Camby/Kenyon Martin
Tomorrow Mo Will --> Kaman

I really want Camby but after looking at this a lot today feel option A is probably the best way to go. I keep a few trades and Mo. Will may bounce back nicely and then can be held for a while longer.

178

bd
ID: 01081412
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 17:52

I'll throw in option C too...
Gasol/Bynum --> Camby/Kaman

179

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 17:57

A or C depends on your trade situation...

180

bd
ID: 01081412
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 18:17

I have 3 trades and the following roster:
G - Davis, Williams, Calderon, Carter
F - Wallace, JRich, Jackson, Gay
C - Bynum, Gasol

If Mo Williams does poorly tonight I think he'll have to go. Davis, Calderon and Jackson will need to go next week.

181

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 18:24

bd, I'd absolutely go with A. Maybe C if you feel lucky, but definitely not B. Just my 2 cents.

182

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 18:26

Gasol is not highly owned so a good differentatior, and playing well recently.
However adding Camby gains you a game and he could be kept longer, its camby of course, so keep a trade at hand.
if Mo does not play well and you need/want to move him, then youre tradeless and with 3 planned trades next week, not much may go wrong.
So its kinda risky.

183

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 18:29

If I were you bd, Id rather move Gay before Id move Gasol, hes not spectacular lately and highly owned.

184

bd
ID: 01081412
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 18:41

I've traded and undid the trades a couple of times already, so I'm not still not sure how I'll end up. I'll probably take a chance on Camby. It may be a quick experiment and I might take the 3 to 1 game advantage and go back to Gasol???

DJ I agree that Gay hasn't been great lately, but he doesn't give me the $$ I would need to get any of the players I wanted.

186

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 07:58

So team, Kaman?

187

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 08:21

Looks like we have 4 with no trades, and of those with trades, Dilo doesn't have Kaman. So deejay, it's only you, Gescom and I that have to worry about it.

My take? He's only questionable, which seems to make it sound like it's not serious. LAC doesn't play again until Friday, so if he misses tonight, I would expect him to be back on Friday.

Unless word comes out it's more serious than " questionable" leads me to believe, I'm not trading him.

What's your thoughts?

188

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 08:38

The last 3 weeks have turned ugly:
- Missed Paul
- Missed Richardson
- AC over Daniels (on his way to bite big time)
- Boone over Thomas (What was I thinking ???)
And now that... Just the continuation of a free fall. At current pace, I'm out of Top 100 by the week-end. I won't be around at game time tonight so I'm tempted to move preventively to Camby (which I should have done yesterday). So be prepared to have Kaman dropping 60 and Camby to twist a pinkie and be sidelined indefinitely. Sorry Blooki.

189

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 08:39

Well I dont know, light trading and all. And if he indeed sits then another hit tomorrow. Could be ugly, not?
So I was looking at Marion and then Dwight to Kaman.
No Duncan that means, but had to chose between Marion/Duncan on 1/17. Kaman choses for me then.
Uses an xtra trade though and not sure its worth that.

190

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 08:41

Or Camby indeed hmm.

191

Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 11:07

Re: 188

Camby and preventative used in the same sentence with the context describing Camby as such. Heh...

192

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 07:24

If you are unsure what the column header means, hover over it with your mouse.
A pop up will display a longer definition of the header.

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Click on the column header once for the default sort order.
Click a second time for the reverse sort order.

Rank	GurupieName	LSWP0	LSWP	LSWP5	WWR	FV	Cash	RV	FVC	Trades
1	turnabouts-1495	11156.5	179.5	2987	22	74.18	2.02	72.16	0.19	4
2	Dave R-4326	11107.5	246	3013.5	188	74.94	1.80	73.14	0.28	7
3	Soulman-786	11031	185.5	2831	70	74.01	0.79	73.22	0.30	4
4	Gescom-1851	10969.5	259.5	2865	71	73.47	2.67	70.80	0.43	4
5	Usual Suspects-1857	10968	254	2921	34	71.81	2.24	69.57	0.53	4
6	deejay-168	10829	271	2715.5	140	72.48	3.03	69.45	0.53	5
7	Dilo-1633	10725	264.5	2725	128	70.83	4.36	66.47	0.04	5
8	Philsphan-197	10578.5	176	2721	296	68.17	0.11	68.06	0.40	4

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193

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 08:28

Looks like Daniels was a bad idea. I'm the only genius here that got him. Although, my guess is he's back for the next game, I also think the knee issue will be a recurring matter with the dense schedule.
So I think it's time to cut loose.

Thinking of either Anthony Johnson or Kurt Thomas. My first choice initially was Thomas, who is around a 2 1/2 week hold.

Now thinking Johnson, much cheaper and if he keeps putting up solid numbers can be held forever, it seems.

Any thoughts?

194

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 08:54

Well Dave I have considered Lou to AJohnson too, it loses me a game though, so in your case it makes more sense.
Hes an option and I have him already on another team.
Kurt Thomas scares me a bit and the sked is rather short at this point for a cheapie.

195

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 11:57

#193
I think Thomas will minimally outscore AJ but still I'm leaning towards AJ over Thomas if that is to be the Daniels replacement. Three reasons for that:

1) AJ is much cheaper
2) AJ's sched is longer
3) Most importantly: AJ does not block a F or C slot, both of which I think will be in high demand in upcoming weeks (especially Fs). Don't see any Guards that will be must-haves into February.

196

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 12:13

As far as the G/F issue, I agree, although essentially Thomas would be replacing Bynum in what I had planned earlier. So squeezing in the F's and C's I had earmarked shouldn't be an issue.

197

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 12:27

In that case it's a toss-up I guess. One strong point in favor of AJ would be if there was any C besides Kaman on the horizon emerging as a must-have in the next few weeks, but right now I think that's about as likely as Josh Boone breaking the NBA record in FTM.

198

dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 13:16

Soulman

fyi
i believe today is a waiver period for GMD

199

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 15:13

Yes I know, but thanks for the heads-up anyway. Actually, I am already in mail contact with the other captains all day long... ;) Waiver thread will be opened in a few minutes.

200

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 17:37

Is Louis to AJohnson too lateral?
I need a player around their price for my further plans.
The money will be nice, but not sure its worth it?
Or should I just keep Lou (likely then till 1/27, 6in9)?

201

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 18:04

200

Keep him. I think it's not worth it. Both players have ten games over the next three weeks. And who knows which new and better player will be available on 1/27 when Louis can be moved.

Anthony Johnson is not bad but with the Lue return and rookie Law in the back he should not play 30+ minutes any more.

202

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 18:14

Leaning towards holding I think.

Thanks turnabouts.

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