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Subject: Bandwagon's GMD team (TP4)

Posted by: The Bandwagon - [47059223] Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 09:29

We didn't win TP3, but we were market performers for the session. I issued an upgrade for Team Bandwagon before the bell this morning to a market outperform for the next 3 sessions.

Rotoguru street was excited about the upgrade in the early hours of trading, as trading volume has increased 3 times the 30 day average trading volume.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 09:47

**** copied from TP3 post ****

SU: with another stinker from Nazr, I think he is a must sell. I am selling him for Bynum. I checked the boxscores of two previous Laker games and he underperformed due to foul trouble in Boston game and Lakers blowing out the Jazz. Even Kobe played less than 30 minutes in the Jazz game.

tothreeball: I'm not going to keep Howard at all. You could be looking at around 1m in price swings and about 130-150 points down from going to alternatives and then back. It's worth 2 trades in my opinion.

These trades are pretty much set:

Howard, Nazr > TD/Amare, Bynum now
KG > Kobe on the 6th
TD/Amare > Howard

Next trade week would do Beno > Calderon on the 9th. or on the 6th depending on trade situation.

But i have two questions that need some comment from my teammates.
1. Between TD and Amare, who do you guys prefer and who do you think are more of a long term hold? Is it safe to assume those pickup TD will flip him back to Howard and those who got Amare tends to hold him longer?

2. I am considering going aggressive and trade one or even both warriors, for either TD/Amare and Hill/Salmons. If I rid of the warrior(s), i likely won't pick them back up after refresh. Does it really worth the trades into like a Sun, where you pickup 5-3 game advantage this week but warriors quickly even that out in the next trade week? Should I just better off keep the GS boys?

Winston
Donor
ID: 119543011
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 10:08

Sorry guys, my team suck in last TP and hope will have better performance moving forward. Sit with 8 trades and here is my plan.

Boozer/William/Howard/Nazr to TD/Nash/Stoudemire/Bynum today.
Hold GS players.

TD back to Howard 8/1.

Pica I think most trade to TD will opt to back to Howward while to Stoudemier are for long term hold. Next week TD face Det, then Min/Phi at home (both higher possibility for blow out).

The Bandwagon
ID: 47059223
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 10:26

Pica,

Question 1) Amare is the longer hold IMO. Yes I think most will flip TD back to Howard.

Question 2) I think you'd be better off in the long run by holding both GS players, but ridding yourself of one could work.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 11:48

BW: you are right. I am going to do Baron > Amare as well on top of getting TD and Bynum.

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 14:54

What do you have planned Gary D?

Gary D
ID: 611251618
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 15:49

I got howard/stoud and nazr/hill planned for today. Kinda trade challenged on this team and amare is longer hold. Also dont like bynum as that ties up my c spt again..
Will be going paul into gwallace on sunday and iverson back into howard after Ai 4 in 5...thoughts??

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 16:43

I'm light on trades, and thus am going to skip Bynum. He'll make money, but is a potential sell on 1/15, or earlier if his production and/or minutes don't live up to expectation. I've moved Boozer/Howard/Nazr to Duncan/Amare/JRich. I have a couple of options for Paul 1/6 and then Howard back from Duncan 1/8. I'll also skip Gerald Wallace, and ride out the GSW losses over the next few days, and with some cash in the bank will upgrade a few players next week.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 16:47

Are any of you guys without Gerald Wallace who are planning on getting him worried that he's already moved too much?

I'm tempted to get him also, but it seems like the theme of the season so far is buying into a heavily owned player means selling him in two days.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 16:50

I'm starting to think maybe I should hold Beno? If something goes wrong and I sell him, I wouldn't have any trades left to get back into Howard.

I'll probably be moving Howard and Boozer for Amare and Duncan tonight. Ideally I'd take Iverson because he's the greatest player of all time, but Beno is hogging that last guard spot. The big question I guess is Grant Hill or Bynum...

The Bandwagon@work
ID: 151118518
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 17:56

Gary D, thats exactly what I would've done in your situation. I was hoping you were skipping the short term holds due to the trade situation.
The rest of your plans look great as well.

As for my team I found a way to avoid Hill, so I took that route. Nothing against Hill, but me being Mr. Paranoid over injury prone players, I didn't want Gerald Wallace, Baron Davis, Amare Stoudamire, and Grant Hill all on my team at the same time. Three's a crowd as is.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 18:20

The more I keep trying to plan this out, the more futile it seems to be. There are just so many different ways to go about this, and everything really depends on performance / herd behavior / injuries, especially this year.

That being said, I think I'm going to take Bynum over Hill, along with the combo of Duncan and Amare. Bynum has many things going in his favor

1 - Bottomed out in price
2 - Bynum was doing great, everyone wanted him back but couldn't find a way because of the center slot, now Nazr is a must sell, Nazr is a center...
3 - Hill appeared on rotoworld in an injury blurb a few days ago. While he ended up playing, maybe it wouldn't be smart to lock him in as a long term hold right now
4 - Mihm is out, neutralizing the Kwame effect
5 - A second possible in to Kaman. My original plan was eating a hit on Dalembert and then moving him to Kaman early, but now this would let me sell Dalembert at the optimal time. If I go against my gut and take Wallace from Paul, I could get Jamison. If I stick to the original plan of Jamison from Paul, I'd have an outside shot of a Nugget if price swings go my way. But then they tie up a lot of money which is needed for 1/21.

1/21 is really the key night. It's going to be a hard one. Really difficult to plan for too, considering two or three nights ago I wasn't really planning on Amare, Duncan, or Bynum.

Do you guys agree with Bynum over Hill?

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 18:37

Senator, Bynum has a looming sell date 1/15 which is less than two weeks away as he head into a 1 in 6, before coming back to 3 games with Dallas, San Antonio and Denver. You may have enough trades to weather that situation, I'm not sure. Another player in that price range I've looked at is Rudy Gay. He has also fallen in pricing and after 2 bad outings versus Houston and the Spurs, may be back on track. Won't be as highly owned as Bynum maybe less volatile. The curse of the highly owned player, once the selling starts its hard to eat the losses. Anyway just another option to Hill and Bynum in the price range and G/F.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 19:11

That sell date with Bynum I think could be a good thing though. At least it's clear, and with people more than likely buying in on 1/8 again, I think he'll make it to the 15th.

I'm really not sure what to do. So much depends on what I want to do in a few days from now, and again a few days from then. Since I don't know the answer to that yet, it's hard to say. This is going to be one of those last minute ones I'm afraid...

dpr
ID: 311512912
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 19:27

I moved howard, boozer and nazr into Amare Duncan and hill leaving me 4 trades with only Iverson to Howard for sure. Paul will have to go likely to wallace but I am a bit weary getting into him so late. That leaves Aljeff and Duncan as two other trades for this week but both can be held if necessary into next week. Jefferson should become nash but has to be some time after i move Paul and Duncan can be moved for a laker or held longterm. I would also like to be able to move udrih to calderon this week tho thats anothr move that could be postponed

The Bandwagon@work
ID: 151118518
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 20:13

SU, I prefer Bynum over Hill, imagine that :)

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 20:35

Yeah straight up, nothing else in consideration, I'd take Bynum over Hill any day. The "tremendous upside potential" is too much.

The problem I'm having is truly justifying it from a points/trade angle. In a world where everything goes smoothly, Bynum over Hill costs an extra trade for an extra game. Not a stud game, though Bynum certainly has the potential to be one. But I believe Bynum will make a lot more money, and doesn't have a chance of bleeding out since he has a clear sell date. Plus when you factor in Hill not being 100%, maybe it isn't really an extra trade. Grabbing Bynum also gives me the option of taking Wallace in a few days (not sure if this is a good thing, everything in me tells me absolutely not) - taking Hill would mean I couldn't have him and Jamison together. I think Jamison is an excellent long term hold. A bit pricey, but solid and a trade saver.

If I don't go the Wallace route and I take Bynum, the big question is who do I take from Dalembert next week. I'd have a good amount to spend, but it might make more sense to take someone like Rudy Gay because I'll need money available to grab players like Kobe, Lebron, etc.

Basically what it comes down to is I want Bynum. Maybe I should just go for it.

The only thing I don't like about my plans today is that it leaves me holding Udrih through the week and probably beyond. I do have some outs after this week though. Originally I was going to sell him today for Hill but I really couldn't chance not having that trade for Howard at the end of the week. I'm hoping that with all of the other must moves / problems out there, Beno will remain relatively unscathed. Do you agree?

The Bandwagon@work
ID: 151118518
Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 22:44

I think Beno is ok for now, I'm holding as of now.

Maybe my past experience with Baron can help you and DPR with your decision on Gerald Wallace. I avoided Baron who had a similiar schedule as Gerald Wallace does now. I just knew Baron would go down with a injury a week or two into his hot schedule, so I stayed away. I watched him for a month put big game after big game, but refused to get him because of being maxed out in price, and injury history, the same concerns you guys have for Wallace.

There are two way's to view this. I did survive, I'm currently ranked in the 30's, but if I had taken Baron when everyone else did, I'd definately be in the top 10 right now.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Fri, Jan 04, 2008, 12:08

I was originally planning to get Kobe from KG after his b2b. But then after looking a little further into the schedule I find my team with 4 planned trades already (in and out of Howard, 2 Lakers departing, and Udrih>Calderon), leaving me with only a single emergency trade on hand until the next refresh.

Would you guys consider MoWill in this context? He can be held through the month and does free up some cash to upgrade Bynum to Kaman on the 15th. But I have a gut feeling Kobe's going to blow up in the coming stretch of games....

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Fri, Jan 04, 2008, 12:16

I had originally planned to get Kobe from Paul on 1/6. Looking at my trades, I have decided to forego Kobe (and Bynum) and plan to move Paul to Mo Williams. Pica, I think he is a great option, good price and production and potentially a long term hold.

Although Kobe and Bynum's $$$ gains and production will be solid, I can't afford the short hold time in order to make the $$$ gains. 4 trades per week, 10 roster spots = 2.5 week ave hold period. At this point in the season, I'll make shorter term moves for stud players but having opted for Howard => Duncan => Howard, I can't do it again with Kobe.

I say ... go Mo

dpr
ID: 311512912
Fri, Jan 04, 2008, 12:40

Im thinking about adding Mo will to the list of players I pick up. Like him more than howard on the 8th. Tho it is possible that I get 2 guys that date if i move Duncan so we will see wha way I go.

Also if i get Mo will on 1/6 and wallace 1/8 or switch that?

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Jan 05, 2008, 08:12

I'd like to have a do-over on that Dalembert over Richardson decision...

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sat, Jan 05, 2008, 12:26

After watching the boxscores of the last Lakers game, it appears Kobe is taking it easy and letting young guys like Bynum and Farmar take their shots. I'm leaning towards MoWill right now but Redd's injury is a big concern as the Bucks is truly pathetic without him. But MoWill does free up enough cash to easily convert Udrih and Bynum into Calderon and Kaman later on.

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sat, Jan 05, 2008, 17:05

I think I have two options from Paul tomorrow. There's the conservative plan and the aggressive plan, yet both can easily blow up in my face.

Conservative: Jamison. Just lock him in now and hope he doesn't start randomly sucking like what happened at the end of last year. Skip the heavily owned Wallace, and if I want to do the Howard to Duncan move on 1/17, I'd still have an extra trade in case something goes wrong.

Aggressive: Wallace. He only needs to make it to 1/19, do you think that's possible? I actually wouldn't be able to keep him any longer than that because I'd need the front court spot for Bynum. I'd get Jamison from Dalembert probably, or take Gay from Dalembert and then Jamison from Wallace on the 19th. Downsides are the heavily owned injury prone inconsistent player factor, as well as the extra trade I'd be using - with my current plan, I'd have to hope nothing would go wrong if I want to do that Howard to Duncan move. Or I could always wait on Lebron, maybe I'm planning on him too early.

What do you guys think? Even though it feels like a disaster waiting to happen, I'm thinking the aggressive route is the way to go. I really want to get my RV up, and this theoretically should be more points as well.

dpr
ID: 006512
Sat, Jan 05, 2008, 19:37

well if it helps im going the aggressive route to wallace tho I havent really mapped out the trade repurcussions of doing so.

Another option would be Mo Will who is kind of in between Wallace and Jamison. He will make good money and points like Wallace but isnt quite as safe as jamison as while is ownership isnt all that high right now it should get up ther and potentially force a sell. he also doesnt lock up a forward spot which was a concern for you with wallace

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Sat, Jan 05, 2008, 22:25

SU, I don't know what to tell you. Like I said in a earlier post I was in the same situation with Baron Davis earlier in the season, and I survived by avoiding him based on the same concerns you have about Wallace. On the flip side, if I had hopped on Baron during his hot schedule, I'd probably be challenging DPR for the top spot right now.

If Jaminson didn't have that 2 game week coming up, I'd say take him hands down. If you take Jaminson, then you'll be holding him and Butler during that two game week, and that would probably spell WWR suicide.

I also have a conservative plan and a aggressive plan that I'm trying to decide on from Paul. I've got it down to Kobe and Caron and leaning towards Kobe.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 01:26

Senator and BW. Have you considered Mo Williams (as dpr had mentioned) His schedule is terrific, and is a lock to be a big $$$ gainer. Just a suggestion, I'll be looking at Mo from Paul, and considering Wallace from Duncan instead of Howard. Will Mo make more money over the next few days due to much lower ownership? Either way, thanks Chris Paul for a great run!!

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 09:42

I think I have to rule out the Jamison option for now, since all of a sudden I want both Mo Williams and Wallace, and I can get Jamison from Dalembert after the refresh anyway. I'm going to have to hold both Butler and Jamison through the 2 in 7, but I think after an initial sell they could start gaining back immediately due to the way the schedules are layed out.

The things that worry me about Mo Williams are:
A) Redd is out - that's a bad team.
B) The schedule - if he gains big today and Tuesday, are forced selloffs coming 1/13, 1/15, and 1/17?
C) B combined with historical inconsistency and injuries.

But I would theoretically be able to hold him longer if I make it past the sell points. There are a lot of other players I'll want too around 1/19 or so, so is it wise keeping him until then also?

This is a really tough call.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 09:55

I'm going to get Mo as well under the similar rationale. I'm going KG, Udrih > Calderon, Mo. Mo's cheaper price tag (relative to Kobe) also allows the Bynum > Kaman move next week. And in my opinion Udrih's production and price gain has nowhere to go but down and Calderon is a definite upgrade.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 10:02

Senator, I think the Butler/Jamison price hits will be short lived, and they should gain back. Regarding Williams, right now Mo isn't highly owned, and he plays 16 games in the next 30 days. After the 2 in 6 starting 1/13, Milwaukee's schedule gets hot again, so unless his production is bad, I don't see a big selloff.

I am going Paul to Williams today, and had planned Duncan to Wallace on 1/8, and move Outlaw after the refresh. With the surplus of cash I will have selling Paul, I could move Outlaw to Wallace today, but that puts me tradeless. I would gain 1 Wallace game, see Wallace's price increases today and avoid Outlaw's losses. I would also take Duncan's losses on 1/8 which I suspect will be less than the Wallace/Outlaw spread today and tomorrow. I'm leaning towards being aggressive here, what does Team BW think. Be aggressive or take the conservative route and hold my last trade for 1/8?

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 10:12

tothreeball, are you planning on getting Howard back?

I'm in a similar situation - should I blow my emergency trade on Udrih to Antonio Daniels since I'll be making the move in two weeks anyway, or play it safe and ensure I'll be able to get out of Duncan.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 10:29

35 - My original plan was to move Duncan back to Howard 1/8. I don't have Wallace, and his production and schedule are hard to pass up. Using 15 or 30 day averages, his points over any 2-4 week period are similar or better than Howard's. The fact that he is over $2M less is also a factor for me. He has the same 4 in 5 as Howard, so there is no game gain. Based upon that, I'm now leaning towards Wallace, the question is whether or not I go tradeless today to pick up a game and some potential $$$ gains.

Senator, in your situation, over the next 5 days, both Udrih and Daniels play twice, so you could make the move 1/11 only at the cost of potential price swings. Holding Beno does buy you injury insurance over the next few days, and allows you out of Duncan 1/8. Our situations are similar, with price considerations, but in your case there is no game advantage in an early Beno=>Daniels move. In fact, moving Duncan => ??? will likely gain you games, so I may be inclined to hold the trade for then.

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 10:57

#35, I have the same plan (Beno to Daniels), but I'm holding off on that move as long as I can. You don't gain a game on that trade until 1/29. If I did that trade today, I'd be 120k short of going TD to Howard, so I'm not risking getting Howard, for a move that doesn't gain a game for 3 weeks.

TO3Ball, I'd probably take the high risk route.

Pica, I like your plan.

I'm, going Paul to Kobe today.

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 12:54

Now that Daniels is banged up, Udrih is definitely a hold.

I do have the option of moving Paul and Udrih for Mo and Jamison within the next five minutes. But that means no Howard from Duncan, I'd have to get Wallace instead. Something doesn't feel right about skipping Howard though, so I'm inclined to hold Udrih.

On rotoworld there's some talk about potentially sliding Mo Williams over to shooting guard. I wonder how realistic this is / how much time he'd be at the 2 / how this would affect things.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 13:09

Senator, what did you decide to do?

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 13:19

I haven't made any moves yet, I'm still debating between Wallace and Mo Williams. I scrapped the Jamison plan because I can just get him in a few days for (theoretically) the same number of trades if I take Mo Williams.

If all things were equal (ownership, position, schedule, price) I'd take Wallace, but not all things are equal. If I took Wallace I'd have to sell him 1/19 no matter what to free up a front court slot for Bynum (or I could skip Jamison entirely, which I don't really want to do). Whereas Mo I could hold for longer assuming he makes it through that 2 in 6. And if he doesn't make it through the 2 in 6, I could just move him into a longterm hold so it would basically be the same number of trades as the Wallace route anyway.

My big fear for Wallace is that with his ownership and high price, if he has two bad games in a row it could get really ugly with no real sell date. Historically he's stunk against Detroit, which is at the end of a back to back...

Taking Mo would also possibly allow me to take a gamble on a certain stat monster in a few days, but I'd have to see how the money situation is. I need to be 100% sure I can get Kaman from Bynum at the end of LA's schedule.

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 14:55

You guys probably all know that woman who's in a abusive relationship and keeps leaving the abusive husband, only to keep coming back again and again. That's how I feel with Kobe. I've had him twice, and he's really abused me, but I keep coming back.

It feels different this time though. No one wants him, and I just have this feeling he is going to go nuts. I think he's changed ;)

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 15:27

Daniels sure was injured today...

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Mon, Jan 07, 2008, 15:12

Man, #1 and #5. Nice work.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 09:12

TD > Howard

Thanks Duncan for hanging in there despite the nagging injuries.

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 09:50

I have exactly enough $$ to go Duncan to Howard, wow!

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 10:48

Since I am out of trades, I have decided to hold Duncan!

I will likely move either Duncan or Al Jefferson to Caron after the refresh. Duncan has been pretty good lately, I wonder if his selloff will be limited to today and tomorrow. Beno to Daniels seems somewhat lateral, but $$$ wise may be the thing to do. Like Jamison as well, but I'm not sure about having 3 Wizards.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 16:34

* INTRUDER *

BW, you occupy WWR 11 to 24, have more trades than anyone in the Top 100, a good RV and have EXACTLY enough to move Duncan to Howard ?
This is insane. This is your year, granted.
I would be scared to death in dpr shoes to see The BandMonster just behind me.
May be you can annihilate each other to give some hope to other GMD teams ?

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 00:36

BW, so you were the team in front of me in one division? I didn't realize it was you with that manager and team name, just recognized it until Gescom pointed it out.

As GMD captain I hope you do well but otherwise... ; )

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 01:11

Thanks for the props Gescom. I just hope I can hang on to a top 10 spot. I never take anything for granted, and as everyone else, I'm 1 bad move away from dropping.

There are a ton of great managers just behind me, and they will all have that great 2-3 week run and challenge for a top ten spot shortly.

DPR will be very hard to catch, he's having a career year so far, and his team doesn't look like it will run out of steam anytime soon. He's definately the team to beat, and there are 15 others battling for the #2-#10 slots.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 11:44

* Intruder *

DPR will be very hard to catch, he's having a career year so far, and his team doesn't look like it will run out of steam anytime soon.

BW - I'm sure you don't mean it like it could sound, but dpr was 8th last year I believe so it's not like he hasn't done it before. If he's having a "career year", then from my perspective it is more like he went from hitting 40 HR and 110 RBI to 50 HR and 130 RBI. He was already good....although yes is having his best year this year.

I'm sure that's what you meant :)

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 11:50

I think he should be tested for steroids ;)

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 12:48

#53 I know DPR is a great manager, that's why I drafted him :) I certainly didn't mean any dis respect toward DPR, or for it to sound the wrong way, but I see where you're coming from.

What I meant was, DPR has been around the top 3 in RV all season long, and been in the top 10 forever. I beleive he was in the top 3 in RV after the first few weeks of the season. To me, thats an amazing accomplishment with a team that wasn't a day late team. To be in the top 10 WWR and top 3 in RV early in the season was impossible IMO, until DPR has broke the code this season. I don't recall that ever being done, but maybe it has.

So far he's had the type of season that I, and everyone else dream of having. You gotta have top notch skills to acheive what he has.

Anyway, my previous post was to shine the spotlight away from me, and shine it where it belongs, team DPR. He's the team to beat, hands down.

dpr
ID: 311512912
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 14:27

BW while my team may be in better shape to take any of ure teams individually the facat u get 15 chances to try to pass me puts u in pretty in good shape. That said its along season so either of us could crash and end nowhree near the top.

Also two years ago I think I was number 1 in both RV and points at some point in january. As i focused on points my RV slot slipped tho I still remained top5 for a prize. I think i maintained a 300 point lead for a long period over every one else. On the last day after holding wwr number 1 for every day from january thru the second to last day I got passed and lost by a few points. last year also while i never held te top spot people were gaining on me despite my superior RV. My weakness seems to be the final weeks of the season.

dpr
ID: 311512912
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 14:50

I cant figure out wat to do with yi

Gary D @ work
ID: 44650614
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 15:03

Planned moves for today...
jefferson/ Bdavis...telfair/calderon and dunleavy/jboone....
Have been looking for cheap options at gaurd but cant seem to find any. Udrih scares me, as bibby practiced fully today and looked great they said. Have had boone on one of my other teams and has been pulling down solid 20 -25 per game.
Also f/c eligiblity...but DEFINATELY OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS as im tired of bringing team bandwagon down....

dpr
ID: 311512912
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 15:19

well I didnt like any of the cheap options out of Yi so I had to go cheaper out of Aljeff than my planned nash. I went with kaman and then will move yi to jamison.

kinda tough as im gunna hold them thru some pretty bad schedules but it gets me into players I want to be in in a few weeks anyways so hopefully the saved trades makes up for the lost points shortterm.

All goes well no other planned moves this week. didnt like going down to none last week so hopfully this works out.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 16:13

Looking at moving Al Jefferson and Beno. Looking at Calderone and Butler, but am short on $$$. If I pick up Calderon I have about $7.3 left, which could be Jamison. Any other ideas, I'd likely move Jefferson to Calderon today and Beno to Jamison after tomorrow's game.

Gary D @ work
ID: 44650614
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 16:13

WOW....Grant hill throws a monkey wrench at me...urrrggggghhhhhhh

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 16:23

61 hold that thought, my guard spots are full, would have to make the switch a double, and lose the Beno game .. not so bad I guess.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 18:31

Contemplating holding Beno for now. AlJeff to Josh Smith.

The Bandwagon@work
ID: 151118518
Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 19:50

#57 Wow, didn't notice that 2 years ago. You have broke the code of top tier RV and top tier total points early in the season. From my experiences, going for early RV usually costs me points in the early part of the season.

December is what I meant by early. You were top in both during early December this season if I recall correctly.

Anyway, you the man!

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 09:22

Do you guys think Raja Bell was a fluke last night? Or is he a solid Beno replacement.

The three players I'm keeping an eye on for Beno are Daniels, Carter, and Bell. Daniels has the "flawless" schedule (with the exception of next week), Carter has a couple blips in his but can be held a really long time also and with Atkins out he has no competition, and Bell is more short term and expensive but is a GF and could see some buys if he keeps playing well in Hill's absence.

If I go with Bell, I should grab him today from Dalembert and move Udrih to Jamison tomorrow.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 09:27

I should note that I have enough to move Dalembert to Duncan today, but that would mean I'd only have a 0.39 at current prices to get into Kaman from Bynum. I don't want to chance it, especially if Bibby comes back that would mean I'm definitely priced out of both Bell and Daniels. And even if I took Carter, it still feels risky.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 09:28

And the original plan was to move Dalembert to Jamison today.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 10:02

Ugh, I just worked it out. If you throw away the option of taking Bell, I have two general plans.

A) Original. Dalembert to Jamison today, Howard to Duncan after Howard's last back to back, then on the Calderon sell date pick up Josh Smith probably.

B) New. Dalembert to Duncan today, Howard to Marion after Howard's last back to back, then on the Calderon sell date pick up Jamison. This plan locks me out of Daniels this week. I'd have to either hold Beno or take Carter, because as it stands I only have a 390k window for Bynum to Kaman. I don't know if I'll make it with people going in early.

It works out to 5 Jamison and 1 Smith vs. 3 Duncan and 4 Marion. Realistically one extra trade since Smith can be held forever whereas Marion cannot.

Do I want to lock myself out of Daniels, and be in fear all week of that 390k window evaporating? Plus there's the "Duncan has been banged up" factor, and plays Minnesota and Philly this week. On the other hand, there's the "Jamison plays Boston" twice factor.

Ugh, an easy trading day suddenly turns into a huge decision.

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 10:32

SU, I like the B rotation alot better, but the 390K cushion is scary.

I like Daniels the best out of the three cheapies, and Bell the least. Carter would be blood pressure central with his 40 TSNP's one game, then 11 TSNP's the next 2.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 10:40

Do you think I'll make it? With all of these injuries and poor schedule fits, I'm not sure I will.

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 12:12

IMO, everyone that wanted Kaman should have got him last night from Hill. Today he is beginning a 1 in 5 so the only buys he may get in the next 5 days would be from Dalembert on the 12th. He could possibly get a 150K bump then.

After tonight, Bynum has 3 games in 4 nights and it would be absoulutely crazy for anyone to dump him before 1/15, but crazy things like that seem to happen often in this game.

I think the cushion holds.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 13:53

The downsides to Plan B vs. Plan A
- Kaman window
- Locked out of Daniels until Calderon sell date, forced to take Carter from Beno (maybe even a good thing?)
- Duncan plays two bad teams and got banged up all week
- If Mo gets hurt or suddenly stinks and a sell off is imminent, I'd have no money to upgrade

If I took Jamison today, I could also theoretically move Jackson two games early into Marion. That plan (plan C) compared to plan B is 5 Jamison vs. 3 Duncan and 2 Jackson. And that way there's no risk with the Kaman window, I can get Daniels, the Duncan risk (which may be in my head) is eliminated, and I'd be able to move Mo into Smith or Iverson.

Do you think this is a better route?

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 19:53

Argh, I think I'm going to have to pass on the Duncan plan. I just can't risk not getting Kaman, and while it seems that the window will hold I remember cases where it was a sure thing and then all of a sudden I was a few hundred short. Then when you factor in the flexibility that taking Jamison now would give me, I think I have to do it. Even though I have a bad feeling about it. 2 minutes to decide I guess...

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 19:59

Well I just zoned out, looks like Jamison it is. Anyone care to talk me out of him and into anyone else?

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 15:57

I was tempted to move Duncan and Beno the other day, but decided to hold. In spite of an RV hit, I suppose I'm happy to have done nothing. I have looked at my roster and thought I could actually hold everyone for at least 2 weeks .. although it will not happen. So many tempting players coming up over the next while. Kaman, Kidd, Kobe, Bynum (again), not to mention the immediate temptations to the Washington players. I'm leaning towards holding Beno until there are sure signs of $$$ and/or production drops with the pending returns of Martin and Bibby. I'm not enamored with any of the cheapie options, Daniels may be the best, but I don't really want to use a guard spot if I move Beno. Joe Smith has been great, but the pending return of Deng and Nocioni will have to slow his production down. Moon is tempting again, although schedule drys up somewhat after 10 days. None of these moves seem more than lateral from Beno. I'm still holding Lou Williams, I probably should consider moving him to Moon.

Anyway, I actually thought, what would it be like if I held this lineup for two weeks, and was sitting with 11 trades? Then I woke up.

Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 11:51

Dalembert => Kaman today.
Bynum => ??? on Tuesday.

I can get anyone $6mil-ish and below at any position, but pure Cs are practically off limits because those spots need to be available for the Kaman/Bynum tandem next week.

I'm tentatively penciling in Anthony Carter due to money-train-ibility and production:price value. This will leave me with an idle $4mil ($7mil after Dwight gets broken down) lying around for about half a week. It's not the end of the world, but I can't find any decent mid-priced options that I would want to lock-in long-term.

Anyone disagree?

Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 16:10

hey Bandwagon,

you make want to look at the TSN message board, some douche bag is accusing you of cheating. Not saying your should respond, but I thought you should know about it.

Ron
ID: 400431219
Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 20:43

some douche bag is accusing you of cheating

What else would you call it? Why does he need three accounts when it is blatantly obvious he is running all the teams.? Hell He even freely admits on here that he is managing all the teams. He should not be able to collect 3 top 100 prizes yet when you click on the prize link there he sits with 3 top 100 prizes. TSN should make it known he will not win 3 top 100 prizes and remove two of his teams from the prize link. Don't give me any bull crap he is helping a family member or whatever. Anybody can create multiple accounts and claim the same thing. All the moves are being made by him and it shouldn't be tolerated.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 08:31

For the other few that have him, what are you guys doing about Mo Williams today?

This seems like a really difficult decision, and last night's game didn't make it any easier. An awful game combined with entering a weak portion of the schedule for a historically streaky / injury-prone player makes me very nervous. If he screws up again in Utah it's going to be a nightmare.

On the other hand, his schedule becomes great again right after, and if he plays as he's been playing up until last night he'd be excellent value.

I think what's making this decision so hard is that the rotations aren't clear yet, a lot is going to depend on performances closer to the buy dates. Some questions that don't really have definitive answers yet that play into this are:

- Do we want Josh Smith? When? And are we going to hold him through those 1 in 4s when many other strong options exist?

- After more than likely selling Howard on 1/17, do we need to get him back on 1/30?

- If Kidd still seems as essential in a few days when the schedule picks up and we take him, how do we get out? There aren't any clear exits on 1/26, but that hasn't stopped people in the past. Is holding until 1/30 or 2/14 realistic?

- The issue of overpriced Kobe having an absolutely disgusting schedule.

- When are the Suns going to start being sold off?

- When is the optimal time to buy Lebron?

It's really complicated, so it's hard to make an assessment on selling Mo in terms of "X number of games for X number of trades." What do you guys think?

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 11:11

I should say right now I'm leaning 55% towards holding, in the hopes that he has a big game against his former team and in the hopes that he once again destroys Atlanta. And mainly because making a decision right now could prove costly next week. I think the closest thing to planning we can do for this is keep flexibility open.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 12:59

Senator, I'm not sure what to do with Williams. I'm looking at players I want to get, manly Kidd and Kaman. I like Williams, but suspect I'll probably move him to get to Kaman. On the Beno front, 3 of us still own him. I'm moving him today, although he still has a good schedule and will likely continue to produce, the $$$ losses coming won't be pretty.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 13:02

Do you mean you're moving him today for Kaman or after his game on the 14th?

I agree with you about Beno, I think he needs to go.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 13:11

Sorry for the ambiguity. I'll likely move him after the Utah game on the 14th. Williams is a player I really would prefer not to move, but I think Kaman is a must have.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 13:17

Oh yeah, if he's your only way into Kaman then definitely. I'd make that move 100% of the time.

If I trade Mo today, it would likely be for Josh Smith or Iverson. But that would make me answer a few of those questions in #84 right now too far in advance, and realistically I can't even say if it gains me any games.

I could do a Mo to Smith, Jackson to Mo in-and-out rotation. This would get me 4 Smith vs. 2 Mo and 1 Jackson, but it would definitely lock me out of getting Lebron early and could affect my ability to get Kobe and / or Howard back.

For a move I'd really like to do I'd have to overcome a 930k window by the 20th. While it seems like a longshot, it very well could be possible looking at how Bynum's price fell a couple weeks ago in a similar situation. For this move to be even remotely possible, holding Mo is a must.

Maybe I should just hold him. I'm thinking most people have bigger problems, and getting out of Mo is sort of a luxury trade. What do you guys think?

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 13:27

INTRUDER

SU, I have Mo, have 4 trades and see no reason to move him today. If he has again a bad game vs Utah, then he could become a concern but today is really early to bail on him.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 19:29

I'm going to hold Mo at least to the next game.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 20:29

Yeah I'm going to hold, there just wasn't a clear cut way out that would guarantee me an increase in money OR points.

I hate cheaters
ID: 180521319
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 20:52

What else would you call it? Why does he need three accounts when it is blatantly obvious he is running all the teams.? Hell He even freely admits on here that he is managing all the teams. He should not be able to collect 3 top 100 prizes yet when you click on the prize link there he sits with 3 top 100 prizes. TSN should make it known he will not win 3 top 100 prizes and remove two of his teams from the prize link. Don't give me any bull crap he is helping a family member or whatever. Anybody can create multiple accounts and claim the same thing. All the moves are being made by him and it shouldn't be tolerated.

Has The Bandwagon gone into the Witness Protection Program? Interesting he hasn't responded here or at the TSN Forum.

Olly Olly Oxen Free. Come out come out Bandwagon.

Crickets chirping

Hide if you must. Your Day of Reckoning is coming.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Jan 13, 2008, 23:10

Realized I didn't have enough $$$ to go Beno to Carter so I picked up Boone. Bynum has left the Laker game with a knee injury, so having an extra C eligible player can't hurt.

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 11:57

BREAKING NEWS:

The TSN verdict is in.......Innocent

Sorry to drag Team Bandwagon through all the negative media.

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 13:33

Blooki, please get your teams under control. I cannot gauge where I am in the standings with you jumping all over the place.

100

Bandwagon=Cheater
ID: 330261415
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 16:26

#98

Yeah and OJ was found not guilty of murdering 2 people.

You are a total joke. Your DNA and footprints are all over the scene. For the last few days if you didn't cheat you would have been all over the place proclaiming your innocence. We will accept your silence as an admission of guilt. You are a disgrace.

101

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 16:44

#100
Easy man, easy. We're talking about a game here.

Personally I don't care how many accounts or teams somebody has. If anybody wants to put extra time into managing multiple teams or accounts, let them. Same as if somebody wants to buy multiple lottery tickets, fine. I don't have the time to manage multiple teams so I have one account and one team. And I couldn't care less that others can lift players out of gravity with their own 25 teams while I can't. Just means I have to play better to still be able to compete. So what.

And yeah I know, this whole "cheat" discussion is all about the prize money. Heck, I'm not prize eligible (and never have been) and still enjoy the game, imagine that! BTW - if you want to be sure your money isn't "stolen" by Bandwagon's multiple accounts, there's one dead certain way to accomplish it: Beat him! ;)

102

C. Bird
ID: 5510211919
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 17:21

#100

As it stands right now, The Bandwagon and his 15 team wall of greatness affects me the most (as it relates to the prizes) and I have no problem with it (not that it matters). Get off the guy! If he wants to manage different teams from different accounts and put in the time to do so, so be it. If he had a WWR of 500 no one would care. Quit whining and use some of that energy to BEAT him!! The guy is not cheating and anyone that suggests otherwise is an idiot.

103

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 17:33

So what's everyone doing with Bynum?

Since he was my in to Kaman, I think I'm going to just stick with that. I could get fancy and move him for someone who plays tonight, and move Mo to Kaman tomorrow. But I may want to keep Mo around, especially since there are so many variables right now I'd hate to lock myself into anything just yet.

104

LD
ID: 420351416
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 17:35

If he wants to manage different teams from different accounts and put in the time to do so, so be it.

That's fine except he is showing up on the Prize board with 3 different accounts and you are only allowed to win one. He is taking up 2 spots depriving 2 managers of a prize.

The guy is not cheating and anyone that suggests otherwise is an idiot.

Seems to me if he wins 3 Top 100 prizes from 3 different accounts that is cheating.

I hope for your sake he gives you the $350.00 he is going to cheat you out of.

Great that you don't mind being cheated but tell that to managers ranked 101 and 102. I don't think they will forgive the scumbag as easily as you.

105

reebbertxx
Leader
ID: 561124720
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 17:36

Soulman, it may technically not be cheating but I find it to be at the least unethical. I'm SURE that I'm not the only person who posts here that feels this way. Three different people created a new account to post their objections to it.
Manage 100 teams if you want but do it under your own account so that 2 more people will get the chance to win some prize money.
I realize it's not the popular opinion over here but I think it needed saying.

Rob

106

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 18:20

It's got nothing to do with popular opinion or anything. I understand everybody saying that using several accounts to get several prizes is unfair, unethical, whatever. Also I wouldn't use several accounts myself (even if I was prize eligible), because I think it's against the idea of the game.

Still, that's exactly my point - the idea of the game. As far as I'm concerned the idea is to have fun in a decent community with a sport we love. If it was for money, it wouldn't make sense to play the game. Instead we could use the minimum 1 hour we spend every day on research, forum, etc. to work more and earn more money than we probably could win via prizes.

So my point is that I'm all for fairness, but I'm also against bashing someone - even if his approach wouldn't match our own. So I'd say leave the man alone and let's focus on the game and the fun. Which brings me to answering #103 - Sell him for Kaman of course! :)

107

Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 18:22

I agree with Rob that this is unethical. The rules are in place for a reason. An explanation from The Bandwagon would be nice.

He's not the only manager doing this. Trigs and Maxthedog90210 is also running identical teams on different accounts.

108

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 18:33

He has said in the past that these are buddy's accounts and they are copying his moves.

[sarcasm]The fact that he sounded like Roger Clemens issuing a heated denial has nothing to do with it.[/sarcasm] lol

As a devout religious dude, I'm sure Bandwagon will have to answer to this at the Pearly Gates. Surely someone of his ilk would never ever cheat.

109

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 18:36

I know several years ago Y2JS (who should be back in a couple months) and I ran identical teams from different accounts. It wasn't a scam to get prize money, we both were just big NBA / Smallworld fans from the same school and thought it would be fun to kill some time managing a team together. Then near the end of the year we'd split them off and it would be interesting to see how we'd arrive at different decisions after forcing ourselves to agree year round.

110

C. Bird
ID: 5510211919
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 18:41

#104-#107

I see your point(s) and understand where you are coming from however, I play this game for fun and to win. Whatever money comes with it is a bonus. My goal as it relates to money in fantasy sports is to win enough to pay for my team(s) in the next sport. I am of the mindset that all I have to do is beat him and all of this multiple account garbage doesn't matter. Just Win Baby!!!

Also, ultimately it doesn't matter what anybody thinks if TSN rules that it's not cheating.

111

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 19:20

not sure where i lie on the debate. i'm not going to lie...if i end up winning a few hundred less because bandwagon gets the top 3 prizes (this is hypothetical obviously, since i can't even smell the wall of bandwagon), i wouldn't be too happy.

TSN's answer on that message board perplexed me...they have researched it and are assured it is not the same person running the team? i don't buy it.

On the other side of the coin...not sure if it is all that different than entering a bunch of teams in different divisions.

112

The Bandwagon@work
ID: 151118518
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 19:41

#109 nailed it to a tee guys. I'm sure there are several that do the same. We have all 3 played Smallworld/TSN off and on for the past 10 years with different strategies.

If I was trying to cheat someone, beleive me, I wouldn't have made it so obvious for the world to see. I wasn't born yesterday.

There's more than half a season to go, and its not written in stone that we'll finish in the top 5. We could very well end up in the 30's or lower and take home $50 each like the past 2 years, and no one would say anything.

TSN said everything was legit, and it's not breaking rules. So all I have to say to my haters out there: "don't hate the player, hate the game".
Wow, I've always wanted to use that phrase.

I'll be making a new thread to bash me. This thread is for Team Bandwagon strategy. Thanks

113

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Mon, Jan 14, 2008, 19:46

fair enough bandwagon...that's all i need to hear

117

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 11:37

I'm keeping Mo.

118

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 15:22

I think I'm going to also. Especially in light of this Kaman news, ugh. It's hard to make decisions when everyone is either injured / terrible.

119

CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 15:44

You can count on Kaman .... he is a Chippewa!

120

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 20:38

Still considering Mo to Kaman, I guess I'll wait until gametime.

121

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Tue, Jan 15, 2008, 20:41

So, what to do about Daniels now... Ugh. Guess this isn't my year. I can guarantee you I'm going to wake up to a Kaman DNP, and "game time decisions" for both of their next games.

122

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 08:40

If you are unsure what the column header means, hover over it with your mouse.
A pop up will display a longer definition of the header.

GURUPATRON BONUS MATERIAL
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Click on the column header once for the default sort order.
Click a second time for the reverse sort order.

Rank	GurupieName	LSWP0	LSWP	LSWP5	WWR	FV	Cash	RV	FVC	Trades
1	dpr-93	11460	343	3079	1	76.46	1.43	75.03	0.51	4
2	The Bandwagon-1022	11308.5	268.5	3212	2	74.37	1.83	72.54	0.37	8
3	Senator Urine-190	11114	303.5	2969	53	73.76	1.35	72.41	0.40	6
4	Pica-4490	11039.5	179.5	3054.5	36	73.76	5.64	68.12	0.38	6
5	Blooki-845	11016	282	2952.5	100	72.90	3.94	68.96	0.51	4
6	tothreeball-502	10987.5	187	2817	109	69.45	1.25	68.20	0.34	4
7	Winston-1104	10946	270.5	2888	75	73.11	0.21	72.90	0.49	6
8	Gary Dotson-5568	10709.5	268.5	2818.5	177	68.67	1.69	66.98	0.42	4

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Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 09:38

After much collaboration with DJ, I've come up with these two plans:

a. howard > either Jamison or Butler after tonight's game, jax, calderon > kobe and Jamison/Butler didn't get before on 20th

the trick of this plan is the current window stands at 300k, so whoever i get for howard will hopefully the less appreciative in those 3 days of the two Wiz

b. howard > f/g around 4m, jax, calderon > kobe and lbj
no one really stands out as that 4m cheapie though.

124

dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 11:37

am i making a mistake if I plan to not get into LBJ till the end of duncans schedule on the 1/30?

also what do people think about moving back into Howard? personally i dont see room for him with Kobe LBJ and other mid priced players with more desirable schedules

125

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 16:38

dpr, I think you can get away with it, I'm trying to evaluate that myself right now.

Pica, I think I like a more just because Butler is so great. I think you'll get that window, both Wizards should lose tonight helping your case.

For my team, none of these rotations I plan out feel good. I'm having trouble planning it too because I don't know what to do about Daniels.

I guess my choices are:

A) Hold Daniels
B) Sell him for Anthony Johnson
C) Sell him for Kurt Thomas

Thing is, if Daniels is healthy, with that long term schedule I'd want him back immediately. Theoretically if I took Thomas today, I'd be able to get Daniels back on the Calderon sell date in a few days. But the thing is, let's say Daniels misses the next game - then I surely can't buy into him for the next one. And now let's say Daniels plays the next game - then it's pretty much one trade for 3 Kurt Thomas and some money vs 1 Daniels (and there may be better options than Thomas in a few days depending on if I decide to go expensive with Kobe or cheaper with Josh Smith).

If I get Anthony Johnson, I'd be locked out of getting Daniels back permanently. Not the end of the world, but do I even want Anthony Johnson? I have a bad feeling about him since that stretch of bad games, considering he has Law chasing him. Kind of like what's happened with Fisher lately - pretty solid all year, and now all of a sudden he stinks.

What do you guys think?

126

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 18:10

I should add that if I move Daniels, then I have exactly one trade to get into Lebron early. (Should I decide not to get Lebron early, then that means I only have one emergency trade).

Maybe I should just hold. But if he sits Friday, I'm going to be feeling really stupid and awful.

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