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Subject: Soulman's '07-'08 GMD Team (TP5)

Posted by: Soulman - Donor [016105313] Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 18:42

Nothing really worked our way in TP4, so not only has the gap to 1st increased, but our lead on 3rd has actually almost evaporated. This is why I felt I needed to make a move in the waiver session, adding our original draftee BD to the roster again.

BD - a hearty welcome back to the team and congrats for turning your team around since that unlucky TP1! Hope you can help us open the gap to 3rd again and keeping the theoretical hope alive of catching Team Bandwagon sometime before April.

Philsphan - sorry to have to make the move, but BD just has been too solid to be left on waivers. Thanks for your efforts for the team, and of course you're always perfectly welcome in our thread. So please feel free to chime in whenever you feel like.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 18:44

As for UH moves, obviously no trades for me today. Let's see how tonight's games set us up for the two focal trading days this week.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 18:53

welcome back bd.

Good Luck for future moves philsphan.

For me no moves today. Holding Gay for now. He is 5 weeks on my team and always up and down but i can live with his 32 TSNP per game average.

I am very interested in tonights Sacramento game and how they will distribute the minutes now that all the players are back.

I think Salmons will get fewer minutes. The question is how much? But i am prepared to go Salmons to Marion tomorrow if he must be sold.

bd
ID: 31281917
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 22:05

Well I just came home and hope to continue my hot streak. Thanks for picking me back up. Unfortunately I also just found out Mo Williams decided not to play. Now I need to decide what to do with him.
I have Baron, Calderon and Jackson that did well tonight, but will need to go later this week. I didn't really have any other planned moves although I am considering going from Camby back to Gasol after next game.

Philsphan
Donor
ID: 301442416
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 22:34

Thanks for the opportunity guys. Sorry my perfomance wasn't up to par. I will continue on and good luck to everybody at team Soulman. I'll be hanging around, you can be sure of it.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 22:47

Looks like team Soulman is heavily invested in Mo Williams, myself included.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 06:23

Mo Will had stomach flu. I'm inclined to hold as he enters a 8-in-12 on Saturday and should have recovered by then.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 06:28

So today Dwight to who seems the question of the day...
Duncan/Marion/Camby/Melo/AI seem the options to me today.
Not sure which one to take though.

turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 06:34

8

Mo Williams is going already on my nerves. I know why i orginally don't wanna get him last week. But i decided against Baron Davis and Calderon (from Nash) because Mo Will is a longer hold. After last years Mo Will desaster (many of us bought him on the day he gets injured; i think it was this game in January 2007 Recap )

I think i will hold him too but please always talk me out of him next time when i only think about it.

I think Camby and G. Wallace are safer picks right now. Only T-Mac is more of a risk. Argh!

turnabouts
ID: 461061517
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 06:37

Ups, i don't end one sentence but i think you all know what i mean....

9

I will go to Duncan from Howard and to Marion from Salmons. Only massive Mo Will losses around the corner will change this.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 07:19

Also going Howard -> Duncan. Slightly prefer Duncan over Marion plus the 350k difference in the price tag will become handy on Sunday when I plan Baron/Jax -> Kobe/Butler.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 07:22

9) Howard => Camby or TD more than likely. I think i t makes sense to fill the slot with a C with Bynum out of the picture. Although I do have Amare penciled in for a while, just in case....

Re Mo. I'm not inclined to hold, Mo hasn't been nearly as productive as when we all hopped on board. True he has an 8-12 starting Saturday, that means 8-14 to me. Big losses today, and although one would think he should be fine by Saturday, does anyone think Mo would have lasted though the end of the 8-12 anyway?

If I were inclined to hold someone or forced to because of trades, I think I'd rather keep Dwight and his 6 games during the same span. He projects better through that time frame than Mo and is someone you might want back beyond the 2 week period.

The same options for Dwight work for Mo

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 07:44

oh BD pushes me even more down. ugh.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 08:00

my early plan looks a lot like Gescom's I have to say.
today: Dwight to Duncan
1/20: Baron/Joe Smith to Kobe/Butler
money is tight though.
still holding Louis that means also, but Joe to Butler sounds a lot better then Louis to a 5 mil player.
Marion/Camby would lock me out of Butler prolly and I dont really want to settle for Jamison I think.
Barons price has to hold up in this plan.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 08:01

for this plan, not in this plan.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 08:27

Wow deejay, didn't you just get Smith. Why are you in such a rush to trade him? I agree Butler is a considerable upgrade, but in a few days you will be itching to trade Louis, again.

I don't think it's a horrible idea to grad Butler ( or Jamison ) early at the beginning of their long schedule, but think they may be even more popular on the 27th from the Bobcats, so save some trades to deal with Wallace and JRich then.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 08:33

Regarding Mo, each one has to pick his poison. Any Mo trade would put tradeless by Sunday and out of the players I really want later in the week. I also don't like any G at his price tag. No doubt Mo will take a hit today but then that should be it. I'll gladly take that hit.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 08:40

All true Gescom, and I certainly wouldn't want to be tradeless come Sunday. And I am on the fence as well as to what to do.

I might consider Melo, who I presume has low ownership, and could be held well into March, with only a couple of 1-4 bumps along the way.

And deejay, as far as Barons price holding, don't count on it with movement to Sun players today and Kidd on the 19th. I'm not sure what your window is.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 08:45

I know Joe I dont have him that long yet, but Lou doesnt get me anything I want.
Defenitely keeping trades for me bobcats, most likely at least one will be packaged(with Lou) to get the other Wizard.
Unless I still go to AJohnson from Lou.

The old plan had Louis to ADaniels in 2 days(together with Baron to Lebron), but that doesnt seem like a good plan anymore.

My big question is when we trade out of the Suns?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 08:48

200

300k for Butler
Jamison is no problem

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 08:50

20(not 200)

Considering Melo too Dave(41 last 13)

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 08:52

The window question is a good one for everything related to Baron and Jax. Mine is currently 430k. I would expect Baron to use 200k of it between today and Sunday and Jax approx 150k while Kobe / Butler should be stable. So I feel reasonably confident it will hold in my case.
The recent Baron's outstanding performances should help as well to keep some sort of price stability.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 10:26

Hello team,
i finally jumped on the wallace train, so we have a complete set now. Today howard and turk are going for sure on my team, which means I will welcome nash and duncan.
What are your plans with Mo?
I recap:
turnabouts, gescom: hold
DaveR: sell
My first thought was selling him instead of gay and going to kaman on that route, but then again I think I will wait on kaman because of his ankle, he didn't practice yesterday see at the bottom , and the last thing I can afford right know is to buy another highly owend player that is injured. So, I think i'll join the holders with my vote.
Makes it 3 to 1

Philsphan
ID: 2579209
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 13:07

I felt the need to shake things up and get aggressive.

Went SJAx/MoWill=>>TD/Thomas. This frees up cash to go Baron=>>Lebron on the 20th.

We'll see what that does.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 13:09

Dilo, make that 4 to 1, I'm also absolutely holding Mo. Flu with two additional days rest is enough for me to be convinced he'll suit up on Saturday. And from then, not only the schedule but especially the matchups are golden. If we bail today, we'd be kicking ourselves when he drops 50s on the likes of GSW, PHO, IND and TOR.

It's really unfortunate that we were on the wrong end of DNPs and monster performances yesterday - if Calderon had been out and Mo had dropped 50, we would have gained 700 points on team BW. It wasn't to be, but hopefully our fortunes change by the weekend at the latest.

As for my own plan, I'm probably going to join the apparent consensus move of Howard>Duncan. Amare is already too widely owned, Marion already on my team and somehow I have a bad feeling about Nash. Nuggets are also interesting but their schedule is one game too short for further rotations. Leaves Timmy, so follow the crowd it is.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 13:11

#26
That is aggressive indeed but with news on Jax perhaps missing time and the fact you're freeing cash for getting LBJ early, it sounds like a good move to me.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 13:14

27

Are you holding Salmos for now?

I saw Sacramentos game yesterday. With Martin, Bibby and Artest back he will get fewer shots and overall will have the ball in his hands not very often. His minutes will slip too.

I have the money to go to marion today or i can wait his b2b games and go then to Butler.

What will you do soulman?

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 13:18

To all the Baron holders:

I like the the transition to Kobe but be aware that some managers will drop him one day earlier to Kidd (and MoWill..haha). How much will depends on his game on friday.

Am i the only manager not having Baron Davis the whole year?? I think so. And i regret every day.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 13:25

#29
Yes, I'm holding for his B2B. He's my in to either Butler or Jamison on 1/20 and trading today doesn't make sense for me as it loses a game. He will drop a bit today but that does not overly concern me as he isn't particularly widely owned and most sells will be absorbed by Magic, Jax and Mo today.

Also, Salmons at least is playing and has proven he can explode any time regardless of Sacto's lineup. Besides, if something drastic happens elsewhere and trades run short, he could even be held into next week. See Brad Miller who with Bynum out of the picture now looks to be one of the bright spots on my roster into next week.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 13:27

#30
LOL, you're right, I also can see a lot of Baron>Mo on 1/19 already. Means for everybody selling Baron on 1/20 don't count on narrow windows to hold.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 13:30

For me Dwight to Duncan today.
Im not alone....
Further plans, well I dont know.
But moving Baron on Sunday is part of it.
Prolly either to Kobe/Lebron/someone else like I all of a sudden like.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 13:31

one "like" too much in that last sentence oops.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 13:33

31

In my opinion you can not compare Salmons with Brad Miller. Miller is the only real center in Sactown. He is a lock there regardless who returns. But on the sg/sf positions there will be trouble to get enough minutes to explode.

I think that Detroit will shoot Sac out of the gym in their next game but Indiana on Saturday can be a nice fit for Salmons. Since Indy plays smallball their opponents can play small ball too. So Artest can switch to the pf spot and make room for more minutes for Salmons on the sf spot.

But you're right. He is healthy and that is really important in these DNP days.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 14:50

I agree on your points regarding Miller being the only C versus the crowded swingmen positions. So I don't really compare Salmons and Miller. But you never know what happens, and this is why I hopefully now have learned to not drop healthy players way ahead of schedule anymore. Shouldn't have done it with Udrih, shouldn't have done it with Nazr. And Salmons isn't even as widely owned as these guys, so he's twice a hold thru his B2B.

Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 15:24

Re: 36

Sorry, I have to disagree. I think you're misusing the 20/20 perspective on hindsight here.

I still believe Nazr Mohammed was a clear sell. His ownership was through the roof, it was clear his role had changed dramatically for the worse and his pure C status made selling him open up the door for many (including myself) to acquire the services of Andrew Bynum. While he did have a monster two games shortly after the selloff, I think you (and those who bought back into him from Bynum) forgot that both of those games went into overtime. I don't think there should be any regret in selling Nazr.

Udrih is a different story. His regret has more to do with the faltering of his replacements than the merits of holding him. While I do think you can defend an Udrih hold more than you could defend a Nazr hold, I still feel there was enough evidence to sell Udrih. THREE players expected to play starter minutes (two of whom are expected to be playing primarily in the backcourt) were returning imminently. Furthermore, the Kings schedule was becoming sparse enough to encourage selling and didn't pick back soon enough to guarantee a potential buyback (let alone the returning starters would strongly dissuade any buyback). Say what you want about value of trades vs TSND vs TSNP, but I think everyone would have to admit that TSND is still very much a factor at this point in the season. While managers should probably have been more aware of the health of Antonio Daniels, Anthony Carter and Anthony Johnson (as well as Kurt Thomas and Josh Boone for those with flexibility) were attractive enough starting, though wildly inconsistent, cheapies to serve as an escape route from the soon-to-be hemorrhaging Udrih.

Just like in any game of chance, evaluating your plays based on short-term results is a recipe for disaster.

bd
ID: 01081412
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 15:56

Add me to the "I'm selling Mo Williams" tally. I didn't have Howard and went from Mo Will to Duncan.
Now I need to decide about holding Baron and S. Jackson.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 16:14

#37
I think you're misusing the 20/20 perspective on hindsight here.

Absolutely I do, no doubts there. And I concur with every single argument you put down. Which is why I joined both the Nazr and the Udrih selloff.

What I really had in mind when writing #36 is that every season there are multiple occurences when we sell a player just because we think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. And it's very often that once we're there we find it isn't. Which is when it's too late because we've all blown a trade which we could have put to use on a real good move.

What we all (me included) often fail to see is that a cheap producing starter who suddenly is being demoted to the bench (Nazr) or in danger of losing minutes to returning regulars (Udrih) isn't any worse than all the crap players we keep buying over and over the first months of the season. Means we could just keep them (regardless of high ownership, declining minutes, etc) and use our valuable trades on the many clear cut moves during a season. Clear cut in the sense of long injury, completely finished schedule, etc. But not dwinling minutes or production. Minutes or production can change every day. Schedule usually can't.

Alas, the only way to be competitive in this game is to amass money early so to remain competitive we're forced to make moves which we know we don't want to make: I so wanted to keep Nazr and Beno but bowed to mass pressure to not lose even more ground in FV. If in such situations we all could agree that the possible replacements are crap (such as Carter e.g.) and that we want to make the money by doing the clear and effective stud moves, we would make the same money while all scoring more points. But I know this is a complete illusion so I will keep making moves that I feel will backfire production-wise just to keep pace in the FV column.

Finally, I couldn't agree more on your last statement. I usually am focused on long-term but due to mass pressure am too weak to resist the temptation of doing the same that everybody does, i.e. basing moves on short-term results, e.g. by chasing the currently hot hand. This is why my team is - as you so correctly put it - a disaster...

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 17:15

This Jackson news is a bit ugly. Whether he plays or not, the window described in #24 will suffer a lot and will be gone if he sits so I think I need to move him today, along with Howard -> Duncan.

2 options:

A)Conservative route
Jax -> Butler today
Baron -> Kobe Sunday

That would consolidate my 430k window for Sunday, and give me the 2 long term holds I want.

B)Aggressive route
Jax -> Marion today
Baron -> Paul Sunday

That would lock me out of Kobe/Butler for a while and put me in a very trade-challenged situation during the week of 1/30-2/5 and will likely force me to keep the cheapies Carter and/or Boone past that week.

Till 1/29, B) oupoints A) by 140 pts using 15-day average but only by 40 pts using 7-day average.

Would love to hear team's voice on this.

Blooki
Sustainer
ID: 449292712
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 17:18

Re: 40

Just my initial reaction. I never use 7-day averages for anything.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 17:56

Gescom, looking at the same problem. Did you consider Melo?

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 17:57

40

I prefer A) because it's safer but i have an option C) for you:

S-Jax to C. Anthony today and as you planned Baron to Kobe on Sunday. Anthony averages about the same as Butler and is not a must sell in the week beginning on 1/30.
You still can go to Butler next week from G. Wallace.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 17:58

42

Wow, same idea at the same time!

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 18:02

I need a quick opinion from you:

A) Salmons to Marion today, keeping MoWill

B) MoWill to Marion today, Salmons to Butler on Sunday (a little bit risky because the window is only 290k; it all depends on how much Salmons will lose over the next days)

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 18:07

I like b turnabouts, but fear for the window

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 18:07

@gescom
i like the melo move dave and turnabouts suggested

@turnabouts
a)

doing my two trades now, then to bed

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 18:35

But isn't Anthony a must move on 1/29 thus an even shorter hold than Marion ? Or am I looking the Nuggets schedule in a wrong way ?

That's said, even if he's a sell on 1/29, that does save a trade during that terrible 1/30 week as I won't have to deal with Paul.

Interesting option in fact that I hadn't consider enough, stuck by this 1/29 sell date as I was with Anthony.

turnabouts
a)
Window is tight in b) and Salmons will disapoint I think during the b to b.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 18:38

I don't think Melo is a must sell, we've held through 1-4's before. His ownership hsould be relatively low I would think.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 18:40

from the injury thread the Jackson news now doesnt sound real good

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 18:50

I'm sold. Anthony it is.
There's a few good exit routes should he needs to go on 1/29, he can be packaged with AC for two mid-price players if needed, and presumably low ownership could extend his life expectation.

Thanks guys.

bd
ID: 01081412
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 19:09

With the Jackson news not looking good. I should probably move him.
After moving Mo Will to Duncan I only have .36 Mil. Which doesn't really give me many options I like.

So I undid Mo Will trade and went Davis/Jackson --> Duncan/Anthony leaving me with M. Will and $ .22

I guess I am going to take the Mo Williams $$ hit unless anyone has anyone I am missing.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 19:11

sounds good, bd.
dont have mo wil here, but am holding on another team.

Usual Suspects
ID: 449382514
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 20:58

Add me to the hold Mo camp. I see no reason he shouldn't be back for his next game and the schedule and matchups are excellent.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 04:41

Anthony vs Marion doesn't look good this morning. Time will tell I guess...

bd
ID: 01081412
Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 16:27

Mo Williams back at practice today.

Mo williams back at practice

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 04:31

Oh I feel like i have to make a Senator Urine impersonation:
Ahhhh, everything I decide right now turns into sh"%"#. Last week I've bought marion on the day he dnpd, sold mcdyess for carter (carter 2 games 22, dyess 50 something in one), Mo williams played like a bum since I bought him, than dnpd, now held gay because it seemed to risky to buy into a heavy owned kaman who has problems with his ankle, guess what gay dnpd. I was hoping to turn things around this week, but it's one hit after another.
Need an advice, and I promise I will do what the majority says! What shall I do with gay?
I have 7,35 mio to spend. It has to be a forward or a center. What brings me down to this options:
a)Chris Kaman today (which I would hate, because I missed all the gains on him, but I would lose no game if gay doesn't play)
b) buying early into jamison
c) buying early into odom (which i slightly prefer over jamison)

So, please decide that one for me or I'm going to screw it.

The good thing about this is that memphis plays at 7:00, the bad thing is I'm not at home. Turnabouts hopefully can just sell gay for me if he does not play and buy the teams favourite for me! Please!

bd
Sustainer
ID: 102112811
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 06:21

Another post in honor of SU.
Last night was a horrible night for me. I only had 5 players going to start with...Gay DNP's and Wallace and JRich were horrible. So even though I had Kaman and Calderon I scored a whopping 110 points and dropped 33 places in WWR.

Today I will be gone all day (kid's soccer tournament and it's freezing) and have to decide on what to do with Gay.
I have all 10 scheduled to play tonight unless the Flu hits them again. Tonight is the last night for Calderon, I'll hate to see him go, he has been great.

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 06:24

58

Go with Kaman. With Bynum out for weeks you really need a center when Amare and Duncan have to go.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 06:29

Ill second that, Kaman, Dilo.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 07:24

Agreed. Kaman you need.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 09:54

Gay certainly throws a wrench into things, coupled with Daniels knee the other day, and the he won't play,( but he did play info ) on Jackson.

Memphis papers cite " flu like " symptoms. So, did he have the flu, is he getting the flu, or did he just feel lousy........

Initial thought was just hold, hope he plays and move to Butler if he doesn't play, but even with a possible DNP tonight, that loses a game.

So, looks like the options are:

a) Baron/Gay => Kidd/Camby. Locks me out of one of Jamison later

b) Baron/Gay => Kidd/ Devin Harris.

c) Baron/Gay => Kidd/Josh Boone ( also locks me out of Jamison )

d) Baron/ Gay => Kidd/Anthony Carter

Or just hold Gay. There isn't really a short term game advantage to anyone ( other than Boone )that I see. And that's assuming Gay sits tonight.

And all this while holding stupid Anthony Johnson who may be faced with a game suspension.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 13:23

#58-62
Make that four votes for Kaman, Dilo.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 13:27

Kaman, definately.

Now with the news that Gay is expected to play, my ramblings above were all for naught.

So today, Baron => Kidd

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 14:53

I think I also go Baron>Kidd now. For weeks I've been set on Baron>Kobe tomorrow, but now that I look closer, I like the Kidd route better.

For me it basically comes down to 6Kidd vs 4Kobe/1Baron/1trade. Usually a toss-up, but I feel Kidd's next matchups are too good to be ignored, while Kobe's are so-so at best. Besides, the $1.2m saved by Kidd over Kobe (plus dodging the 180k hit that Baron will suffer tonight) gives me more financial leeway for tomorrow's moves.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 14:57

BTW, I have to leave shortly so I could use help for a gametime move. Teammates/XP/Dino - could any of you keep an eye on my team tonight and do (or better undo) a move in case of drastic news?

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 15:25

Gotta leave now. So to continue #69, I think I have to quote Davy Jones by saying I'll take that as a "No"! ;)

Means Baron>Kidd it is now, so watch Baron drop 100 and Kidd sit with prolonged fits of "migraine"... :)

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 16:07

I am around Soulman, but too late prolly now.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 18:00

It looks like Baron to Kidd for me too after all, makes most sense for me future plans.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 07:58

"...plus dodging the 180k hit that Baron will suffer tonight..."

Too funny that this morning's actual number wasn't really that far off from the prediction! :)

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 08:06

Right on you must mean Soulman.

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 08:20

I could go udrih boone today, any thoughts?

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 08:48

#74
That's what I meant, deejay! :)

#75
If he's going to take a C slot on your roster long-term, then perhaps if you're high on him. If you'll pencil him in as F, I'd rather not get him. With the crop of stud Fs right on our doorstep, I think you don't want to spend a slot on guys like Boone. So if you want to trade out of Udrih today, I think it should be either a G or an upgrade. Boone is neither.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 08:49

I know :)

bd
Sustainer
ID: 102112811
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 09:32

I have Calderon to move today and only .22 cash. My first thoughts are Cassell, Daniels, M. Williams, Mobley or Varajeo. Anybody have any thoughts.

Although I had a big night last night, I don't have any NJ or Phoenix guys on my team so nobody going tonight. I may just drop Calderon tonight and not pick up anyone...that gives me another day to decide.

I don't have any plans to add Kobe or LeBron today as I like the balance of my team:
G - Mo Will, Gay, A. Carter
F - Wallace, JRich, Duncan, Carmello
C - Camby, Kaman

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 10:17

Soulman, Boone, if I would buy him today, would be as a longtime center. Now that Gay played, i finally ended up without Kaman, so that train is gone for me. But we all will need a center sooner or later, and Boone would fit. Udrih more sooner than later will be demoted to the bench, so if I sell him, today would be the best date (of course the best date was last week ;-)).
This one's going to all: What are youre plans on center position once Amare and Duncan are gone?

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 10:22

@bd
you could also go center (boone), or are you holding camby through the one in 4?

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 10:26

Forget Boone as a long term hold. Just read that: Krstic may play next week

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 10:28

I already have Boone so am not neutral but after a crappy first game, he has been great the next two for me. I'm now planning to hold forever and to have Boone and Kaman as my centers once Duncan and Stoudemire are gone on 1/30.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 10:30

Crap! Can't Krstic wait another month!

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 10:32

Just what I thought, Gescom, but no boone this noon for me! ;)

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 11:57

well for me it is:
A. Louis to Jamison

or

B. Louis to ADaniels
Joe Smith to Butler

seem to prefer B.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 12:11

This one's going to all: What are youre plans on center position once Amare and Duncan are gone?

That is a very good question Dilo.
That is not gonna be easy.
Camby maybe.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 12:11

I think I would be a little leery of Daniels knee, deejay.

He just sat out a game and missed time earlier. Maybe he will be fine, but I wonder with the dense Washington schedule upcoming how he will hold up

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 12:13

That knee indeed worries me a tad, but I so much prefer Butler over Jamison and that news/production of Louis, I dont like that.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 12:17

Combined with Joe Smith losing minutes to Nocioni.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 12:22

Guys, I have some decisions today and wanted to hear your opinion. After suffering through massive losses without real TSNP compensation, Salmons is a must-leave today. There isn't anybody else on my roster who has to leave, but there is more than one guy I would like to get. So there is the theoretical possibility to also include Miller. It would be a great sacrifice to drop Brad as he is basically Kaman at a much cheaper price, but his schedule dries out in one or two weeks. So here are my options:

A) Salmons/Miller > Butler/Maggette
B) Salmons/Miller > Jamison/Maggette
C) Salmons/Miller > Jamison/Odom
D) Hold Miller, go Salmons > Butler
E) Hold Miller, go Salmons > Jamison

Within these options, there are my following priorities:
- I want both Wizards over Maggette due to more reliable production.
- Between Odom and Maggette it's a toss-up as Odom's production usually is better while Maggette's cheaper price and flex are strong arguments in his favor.
- I want both Wizards over Odom because the Lakers' next matchups are not very appealing.
- I want Jamison over Butler as I view Butler as injury prone plus Jamison might be fired up against his old team Dallas.

So my preferred options are either (B) or (E), but I won't rule out the others if the team feels they are a better route. Any thoughts?

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 12:24

BTW, having picked up Kidd yesterday, I obviously am skipping Kobe for the moment. A few more games to evaluate whether he has lifted his production to his horrendous price or whether he is as disappointing as earlier this year.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 12:33

#79
bd, if you're not sure who to get and don't have anyone going tonight then I'd say just drop Calderon and leave your roster invalid tonight. Tomorrow there's probably a clearer picture.

#80
"This one's going to all: What are youre plans on center position once Amare and Duncan are gone?"
Dilo, I'll do Duncan to Dwight on 1/30 back to Duncan on 2/5.

#87
deejay, I like A better. Mostly because I agree with Dave that Daniels is a considerable DNP risk, and also because I prefer Jamison over Butler.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 12:54

#92
The more I look at my own range of options, the more I like the Jamison/Maggette route, even if that leaves me tradeless tonight.

After his strong performance last night, Maggette will see a ton of buys from Calderon owners who do not have the cash to go Wizards and also don't want to settle for any of the crappy cheap Gs. Additionally, Maggette's flex will allow me to turn a G into one of the coveted Fs in case of injury. Jamison over Butler is a lock for me anyway as that saved $1m for similar production will make a lot of upcoming rotations much easier.

So I'm leaning towards Salmons/Miller > Jamison/Maggette now. Any objections?

Dean Martin
ID: 2904350
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 13:29

**Intruder**

Soulman, the one thing that bothers me about Maggette is his inconsistency and the fact that the Clippers have no chance at making the playoffs. I was looking at Marvin Williams.
One less game till all-star break, cheaper , still get the G/F flex and since 12/4 only one game under 20 TSNP as opposed to Maggs with 4.

Sorry I couldn't help with the game-time trade yesterday. With moving and visiting my brother in the hospital had very limited internet access.

Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 13:48

Soulman, I personally like Butler a lot more than Jamison, however if you feel otherwise then certainly go for it, both are clearly good options.

From my point of view I am going Calderon/Joe Smith - Kobe and a cheap forward. I would rather get a cheap guard but don't have the flex. I am looking to hold this player through the All-Star break and am debating between Boone and Varajeo. I prefer Varajeo, however Boone gives me the C flex and will make more money, which in the case of a cheap long term hold is not necessarily a positive. Also, with the possible return of Krstic, I am really 50-50 right now. Any opinions welcome.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 13:52

Soulman, I think I like A most out of your options.
But we seem to have the reverse thoughts of the duo Jamison/Butler...

Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 13:56

Soulman, forgot to point out that I prefer option D

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dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 13:59

Intruder

US
not sure I really understand the concept that money gains on a long term hold are a bad thing. For someone starting with low ownership if they train and crash they will still likely end at a price higher than where they started. So compared to if they didnt gain at all u are gaining. if you feel forced to trade to protect the gains he got its only because you feel this is better than an alternative which is already better than his price remaining constant. Now i guess if a player gains really quick and ten slowly bleeds he could end lower but I feel this is less likely. That said not sure im a fan of boone

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 14:05

@Soulman

I like c)

Three people 3 different choices, I guess this helps you a lot ;)

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Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 14:06

100- My point was that I think Boone will gain a lot in the short term and then may start bleeding. Varajeo, on the other hand, will probably see slight gains and if he keeps producing will start to train later on and in the long term should be a longer hold without feeling pressure to sell in order to protect gains.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 14:08

92- LOL...you prefer B or E...Deejay says A, I say D and Dilo says C...I guess it's obvious what move should be made :)

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 15:01

LMAO, one vote for each option plus Dean Martin's vote to forget Maggette and go Marvin. Geez, that's not really the decision help I had hoped for! *g* turnabouts, Dave, Gescom any opinion from your side to tip the scales?

I guess next time I should draw up 8 different routes so each member of team Soulman can pick a different favorite... ;)

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 15:05

BTW, with the Krstic news I absolutely would stay away from Boone. I might be wrong but I just wanted to voice my thoughts on him.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 16:34

bd, Dropping Calderon and reevaluate tomorrow sounds like a plan.

Deejay,
I prefer A and would avoid Daniels for the reason Dave gave.

Soulman,
Would take Butler over Jamison in a heartbeat, better production and more capable of explosions. Would stay away from Maggette. Talking about injury prone, he's the king. He always tease you with a couple of big games, you buy in and then he dnps all of a sudden. Miller has been golden and has some petrol left. So my vote goes to D.

Long time planned Baron -> Kobe for me today.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 17:25

Im leaning towards C. now which I didnt post yet, being Joe Smith to Butler today.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 19:09

Thanks guys for your help. Only one option was voted for twice, so I'll go with Suspects' & Gescom's recommendation of (D), i.e. hold Miller and just go Salmons>Butler today. Especially as almost the entire team seems to prefer Butler over Jamison.

BTW, Gescom you're completely right about Miller - he's been absolutely spectacular and it would be madness to drop his stud level production at such a cheap price while buying into shakier players such as Marv or Maggs without gaining games. On top of it I keep one trade which could be a real life saver if something bad happens in Monday's busy game night. So this path definitely looks to be the wisest choice.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 07:50

Well, time for me to gain rv again. Selling Marion and Nash for Kobe and Butler. This fits better in my plan on changing 8 or 9 players with the next 10 trades. Getting rid early of some phoenix players allows me to not have to trade 6 or 7 players on the 30th and 31th, and I would buy Butler and Kobe anyway next week.
So, show me the money!

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 08:05

Dave there seems an error in our standings, BD still shows the points of 1/19, prolly because he had no one going last night...

As for moves today, I might do one too.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 08:30

BD went invalid last night. Somehow it throws his points and $ out of whack. I'm sure it will be fine tomorrow.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 08:32

I see now , it shows twice Carmelo on his team.
Invalid indeed.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 08:52

It's not a glitch, that's our new strategy and our only hope catching up with first. We need to have our best studs double on each roster. ;)

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 09:22

Just to remind those who are planning trades today that Martin Luther King day means early tip-off for the NBA, starting at 1:00 PM EST for the Wizards.

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bd
ID: 31281917
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 12:25

I was invalid last night since I had nobody going but needed to get out of Calderon. This morning I am suffering from flu-like symptoms, but my team is ready...I picked up Daniels. Cassell worries me much more with DNP's than Daniels does and I like his long term schedule and the fact that he starts on a high scoring team. Let's hope his knees hold up fine.

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C. Bird
ID: 5510211919
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 12:37

*Intruder*

I couldn't agree more bd, I did the same think for the same reasons.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 13:38

Have kind of decided to sell Nash today.
Now Im looking at
A. Kobe: leaves little to no cash for Louis, but he has 4in6 and I would throw him in the mix with my bobcats next week.
B. Lebron: leaves no cash at all...
C. Paul: leaves a little bit cash to do something with Louis, a right under 3 mil player, I could get then. But he has the shortest sked.

A little bit up in the air here.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 14:46

Im gonna go Nash to Paul today, so I can do Louis to Antonio Daniels tomorrow.
Im watching the game and he looks just fine to me.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 17:03

(continued/transferred from posts #82-84 in the 12/17 injury thread)

#83 -- Wow. This news, his high ownership and the fact that he is a direct and easy transition into the hot F options now will make him drop a ton tomorrow and thus start the mass exodus. Pity, but all good things must come to an end.

#84 -- Since there are only 2 games tomorrow, I hope this doesn't trigger a premature sell-off until more news comes out. He is " day to day ".

I wouldn't count on it Dave. Unless there is early and definitve news that Wallace won't miss any time and is 100%, I think many managers will be tempted to take this opportunity to hop on the Wizards' F duo. And if there is a massive hit on Wallace on Tuesday, you know all too well what will happen on Wednesday when everybody gets new trades...

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 17:12

On the other hand if he plays that loses a game.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 17:18

I know - if he plays, no team gains any game on Cats before 2/3. Guess it all depends what news there are on him tomorrow and how managers feel how dependable these news are.

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Dean Martin
ID: 17018711
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 17:26

It's not gonna take that many sells on a light trading day to start a mass panic on Wallace. I held Stephen Jackson after the famous Nellie radio interview and lost 260k in 2 days. Jackson got me 74 TSNP in those 2 games. More than likely he will bleed like a gutted pig.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 17:57

Absolutely agree, Dino. It doesn't fit my plans at all, but that's what I fear will be the case.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 18:07

Pft, and I was gonna sell Louis really tired of him. Still might.

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Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 18:10

Intruder -

I don't see the need to sell him before game time on wednesday unless some conclusive bit of news comes out indicating that he won't play. Worst case you lose 180K. Best case, you avoid a premature sell for a player that was averaging around 44/g over hte last 30 days. That said, I'm also tradeles :)

127

Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 18:10

sorry, by him I meant Wallace

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 04:27

Another day, another injury. Yesterday my plan was nash->kobe, and marion->butler, because of precaution i did nash->butler first and waited on the second move. After the charlotte game, i read the wallace news and decided to not make the second trade. I think if there is no early news that wallace will play tomorrow, he's a must sell today (light-trading-day, heavy ownership, huge alternatives). Maybe I will now go kobe from him (i decide later). Turnabouts (he's busy with good news, which i think he wants to tell you by himself later), told me that he has no moves planned till 27th, but if there would be a major sell-off because of injury to sell and get Jamison or Butler (first choices) or Kobe or Odom. I think for turnabouts let's do Wallace->Butler.
Soulman let me know if you will do the trade for him or if I should do it.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 06:01

Wallace has a good shot at playing Wednesday according to the journalist while Anthony hopes to return by the week-end thus will miss time.

So Anthony is gone today. Probably to Butler. Anthony gave me a whopping total of 73.5 tsnp over three games and an injury. Brilliant !

For Wallace, I'm not sure I would move him today even with an additional trade. He got injured on Saturday, played almost an entire game through it and left when the game was decided, with 2:30 remaining and at the same time the Spurs pulled out Duncan, Parker and Ginobili. I'm not even sure that "he left the game with an injury" is an acurate description of what happened. Doesn't sound severe and I would hate to miss the next 60+ games for someone that plays the same number of games. Can still go to Odom, Jamison or Smith at game time tomorrow should he'd be out. We're entering a portion of the season where I wouldn't mind losing 150k today on Wallace to make a more educated decision tomorrow, especially with no one attractive playing today.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 06:05

If we are going to sell Gerald, which I dont want to do frankly, then I will be looking at Jamison, Odom and Lord hold me Camby(since another C wouldnt hurt).

If were gonna keep Gerald, then I will do the move I really want to do which is Lou to Daniels.

Looking at last night's pirce movers though, holding Gerald might be get expensive.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 06:07

should say might be getting... or might get, but not what I typed there.

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CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 08:56

130 & 129
I am confused as Wallace played last night. Injury was Saturday correct?

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 11:57

Nope, it was yesterday. FWIW the injury sites I see list him as questionable for tomorrow.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 12:10

Really?

That is not good.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 12:18

No, not good at all. Injury sites have been wrong before, but we all know the power of perceived reality...

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 12:38

Pft.
This really ruins my day.

Team Soulman, what is your take on Gerald?

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 12:39

Just checked the GMD standings and it seems we can't catch a break. All Carmelos in GMD only on team Soulman. And Mo is the bust I feared he would be when I was torn between Bogut and him on Saturday a week ago.

Anyway, the 3 Carmelos must leave of course. Bad luck, but at least that means we have three managers with easy ins into the rich crop of quality Fs.

As for Wallace I think he should be moved also if the trades are available. My guess is his drop today will be in the 180k-200k range and that will trigger bleeding that will be very hard to endure even if he keeps producing like he has. It's correct that if he suits up and stays healthy though his schedule, trading him does lose a game, but it's still an "if". So I'm leaning towards taking the sure money and forgoing the possible TSNP edge over the many quality options open today. Like me, I guess most managers also have made around $1.5 on him and I won't jeopardize it waiting for tomorrow's Yahoo's starting lineups to either relief or disappoint me.

So my recommendation to team Soulman is as follows:
1) Drop Carmelo and Wallace. If you have both but only one trade, drop Melo of course.
2) Get Butler, Jamison, Odom. In that order. Jamison and Odom are a wash but I like Jamison's @CLE/MEM better that Odom's @SAS/@DAL. Means there is still time for him later.

Of course, there are loads of other viable options but I particularly like these three as they are an easy swap from Melo and Gerald and thus are likely to top the price movers tonight.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 12:42

Good points, Soulman. And so fast too :)

I do wonder between Melo/Gerald who'll lose more though?
Dont have Melo here, but just to chime in on that topic....

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 12:46

Even though Melo is out for sure and Gerald only perhaps, Gerald will drop more. Melo isn't owned by anybody, whereas there's hardly any active team in UH without Gerald.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 12:50

#128
BTW Dilo, I'd need you to do the trade for turnabouts if he wants it. I don't have his login details. Thanks!

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 12:55

140

I was thinking that too, but taking that point of view if you have one trade and both, it might be better to drop Gerald nevertheless?

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 13:40

*intruder*

that may be short sited...if wallace plays tomorrow, you may have used an extra trade just to save an extra 100-150K (assuming melo does drop somewhat as well)

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 13:48

its not an xtra trade qwert, that move would be done on 1/27 (to Jamison/Butler)anyway, the point is it loses a game, not it uses a trade more, cuz it doesnt.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 13:49

#142
If there is any indication that Carmelo misses only 1 game or so while Gerald remains questionable, then yes. Otherwise no way. I'm all for protecting gains - but not at the cost of holding definitely injured players over maybe injured ones.

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 13:50

fair enough...loses a game is the better way to put it

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 14:40

For me it's Wallace to Kobe today.
Turnabouts told me he will take over his team again today, so he can trade all by himself.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 16:47

Again, I don't see the urgency to trade Wallace today. To protect what ? 150k ? We're mid-season, not Nov 15. We held highly owned crappy producer Mo Williams after a DNP that led to a four day hole but we want to get rid of Wallace who hasn't missed any time yet, enters a 3 in 4 tomorrow and got 3 of the last 5 games in the 60s, and all of this to get into someone who will loose a game on him in the next 4 days ? On January 22, I don't get it.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 16:52

Ditto

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 17:02

Well Im on the fence.
I understand where Soulman is coming from, but I do realize its not the beginning of the year anymore.

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bd
ID: 31281917
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 17:09

Anthony --> Butler

I still have a trade left, but think I'll hold Wallace.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 17:16

Gescom/Dave, I see your point but I realized I can very soon use the $2m I free in cash by going Wallace>Jamison today. If I do the same trade only when Charlotte's schedule is done, it won't be $2m anymore, but much less. That seals the deal for me.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 17:32

Hi Team,

i am proud to tell you the good news which Dilo mentioned in post 128.

On 1/21 at 1:06am my wife gave birth to our son Felix. Both are healthy and the little boy is so sweeeeet.

It's hard to explain which unbelievable feelings we have and how lucky we are and it's more harder to do it in english than in german, my main language.
That's why i will not describe all our emotions at full length.

But i want to let you know why i was off since Saturday.

I will do my best to be a good father/ husband and to give my best for the GMD-Team. But i think the time i spend for my team will be reduced in the next weeks. So please be patient with me. And when my performance will fall drastically you can simply drop me. No problem for me.

About the Wallace thing i am not sure. My original plan was to sell him on 1/27 and go to Butler. It's tempting to do the move today...

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 17:41

Congrats turnabouts!

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 17:44

Congrats turnabouts.

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bd
ID: 31281917
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 17:45

Congatulations on the birth of your son. I have two boys 10 & 12. They grow up quickly, enjoy every moment.

As for Wallace my original plan had me holding until 2/3 and then moving to a famous German player. If I was going to a Wash. player on the 29th I would be more tempted to sell him than with my plan.

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Dean Martin
ID: 530102217
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 18:17

**Intruder**

Fwiw, I've noticed whenever a player does not practice as precaution or just to rest he's automatically listed as questionable on injury reports. That being said I really think selling Wallace today to avoid a little $$ hit may not be a wise move.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 18:21

Congrats Turnabouts!

As the father of a 5 and 2, I can tell you you'll have a LOT less time to dedicate to Fantasy but some in-the-middle-of-the-night game time decisions may become easier ;)

Butler from Anthony today for me.
Holding Wallace at least till 1/27 and probably till the end if he stays on his 45-48 tnsp average.
Wallace to one of Smith/Odom/Camby/Jamison if he's a no show tomorrow.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 18:27

Thanks for your Congrats.

Wallace questionable

With this news i think it's the best to sell Wallace. Even if he plays tomorrow it will be not known until gametime and till then all managers who cannot be around at gametime will probably sell him. Together with the losses today it will be around 300k.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 18:47

Lol, it seems it's Germany vs Rest of the World on Wallace.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 18:49

Belgium doesnt know it. :)

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Usual Suspects
ID: 99503022
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 19:39

Congratulations Turnabouts!

As I am tradeless, a long day of debating hs led me to the conclusion that I will hold Wallace :)

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 21:21

Gonna go Gerald to Jamison, it is getting too tricky for me. Tuesday and all.

7Mo's btw, we cant catch a break it seems.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 09:46

Hello team,
I think it's time to get rid of Mo the Blow.
I'm fed up and going to jamison today. 2 surprise DNPs in 7 days is too much, even for me.

166

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 10:28

Among the Soulmen, US, Soulman and I don't have the flex to take one of the desirable forwards Jamison, Odom and co from Mo. I have no apetite for any G within Mo price range. At the same time, latest Gerald news are not so encouraging.
So I'm thinking Mo, Gerald -> Smith, Jamison.

167

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 12:23

I am leaning towards Louis to Daniels today, since Lou works on my nerves AND plays Detroit.
I know there is a little risk involved, but not everything can keep going wrong I think then.
So I'll take a chance on him.
The low ownership is defenitely a plus.
I dont really like any other under 4 mil (preferably) G option, so I would do that move on 1/27 anyway. Dont want to miss the Memphis matchup though.
Kind of like Varejao, but that ties up a valuable F spot.

Could just wait and get AJohnson instead on the 27th, but I certainly prefer Daniels over Johnson, plus Lue is back who might eat into his PT.

Jrich will go on 1/27 for Odom/Josh Smith/Camby.
No other moves planned this week.
Unless Kidd keeps sucking.
Senator, should you read this, sell Ason please. :)

168

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 12:35

First of all, congrats turnabouts and my best wishes for you and your family. You'll make a good father and husband. Thanks also for the SMS, actually I read it only after I read about your son here on the boards!

And don't worry about your performance, with a manager as experienced as you I'm sure it won't really drop even if you spend a lot less time and just play casually. Also, I think Gescom can give you a lot of tips on how to best combine nightly parent duties with gametime trading... ;)

Besides, you don't really think I'd even consider dropping you after your performance has been the team anchor all season long? To compare, would the Suns drop Nash if he became father yet again? ;)

So all the best and enjoy it! :)

169

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 14:25

Again thanks for your wishes.

I am the team anchor? Maybe at the beginning but not in the last 2 weeks...

Quick questions:

How much will these players gain money from today till 1/31:

Kobe
Josh Smith
Odom

And what are you doing with Kidd? I know that his next games are high scoring ones but i have thought this about his last games too and we all know bad he was. My original plan was to hold him till the allstarbreak but today i am very tempting to trade hom to Kobe or Josh Smith.

170

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 14:39

Tough call on Kidd. I watch all their games and the Nets are just playing awful as a team. This isn't just a matter of Kidd sucking. If guys can't make basket, he won't get assists.

Last nights game was a disgrace, Nets played no defense and it almost seemed like they just mailed it in. One would hope that they turn it around vs GSW and Denver. In a perfect world both should be high scoring games, not just one sided like last night.

And if the Nets don't defend, Kidd and the rest of the starters could very well end up on the bench during garbage time.

I plan on holding for at least the B2B

171

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 14:48

Camby is getting tempting with half of Denver out/questionable I must say.

172

bd
ID: 01081412
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 15:00

The talk about Camby is interesting to me... I have him and was originally going to go Camby --> Washington player on the 29th due to his 2 in 6(moving Duncan to center) then Duncan to Howard the next day.
Now there is a lot of talk about buying him and I will probably already have Butler, Jamison (from Anthony/Wallace). It's hard to schedule out right now with all the injuries/dnp's occuring. I also have Mo Williams to consider.

173

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 15:08

bd,

If I would get Camby(soon that is) he'd definitely stay through that 1in4. sked is fine after that.
Dwight Howard looks nice, but sked is rather short and with every day players going down, Im not so sure we all will have the trades to do TD to Dwight to TD thingy(2 trades in one week, in a week many already have some moves planned)

On Mo:
Maurice Williams G 01/23/2008 is questionable for Thursday's game against Indiana Questionable sprained left pinkie finger

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=nba/injuries/injury.aspx

Is the latest I can find...

174

bd
ID: 01081412
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 15:35

After re-evaluating, my current plans are:
Mo Will --> Odom (Today)
Wallace -->Jamison (Today)

That would leave me with 3 trades and:
G - JRich, Gay, Daniels, Carter
F - Duncan, Butler, Jamison, Odom
C - Camby, Kaman

Gay --> Crawford (27th)
Duncan --> Lebron (30th)

Any thoughts from other Soulmen??

175

bd
ID: 01081412
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 15:37

Dave R -- disregard my post above.
I'm trying to stay ahead of you in our league so "no peeking".

176

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 16:32

Man, we absolutely can't catch a break as a team. Mo is probably the one player who dropped us from chasing first to bringing up the rear now. To DNP because of the almost proverbial pinkie! Ridiculous. He did similar for me in past seasons so he's dangerously close to making my never again list. Anyway, of course he needs to go today, let's celebrate this day on which we as a team rid ourselves of his presence. Sorry for venting.

Then there is Kidd. I'm sure he'll be amassing TDs once we sell so it doesn't really make sense to drop him already. On the other hand, my plan after getting Kidd was to turn him to Kobe on 1/26 or 1/28 anyway, so I might as well do it as long as I can still afford the direct move. Which would be only today (after cashing in by Wallace>Jamison yesterday).

As Gescom correctly points out, I don't have the flex to get anything from my guards but other guards. Here, the clear-cut top price movers today obviously are Kobe and JSmooth, and funnily enough I could squeeze in Kidd/Mo>Kobe/Josh by a grand margin of 20k today. Means I'm very tempted to do it unless anyone cares to talk me out of it. Down to 2 trades on a Wednesday yet again but no schedule dictated must sell for the rest of the week. Any objections?

177

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 16:46

Soulman, that indeed looks very tempting.
But dont forget bout JRich as the most owned G on 1/27....

178

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 16:50

As our fearless leader stated earlier

"But you never know what happens, and this is why I hopefully now have learned to not drop healthy players way ahead of schedule anymore."

So, Soulman, unless sucking implies not healthy, do you really need to drop Kidd?

179

bd
ID: 01081412
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 17:00

I don't have Kidd but his next two games are GS and Denver which usually allow great TSNP games against them. Are you planning on holding JSmooth through his 1 in 4 starting on the 31st? If not, then I think it is too short term. However there aren't a lot of options out there for guards.

180

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 17:17

#165/166
Dilo, Gescom - I like those moves.

#167
deejay, not sure I find Daniels a good enough pickup or Lou a bad enough hold to warrant the move today (which basically loses a game). Then again, you're the only among us without Mo so I guess you've one extra trade at your disposal. Still, I wouldn't see any disadvantage in holding this move off until 1/27.

#169
Difficult question which of course depends on how they do in the early games this week. If assumed they all play up to par, it's obvious they'll all be much more expensive by the date you mentioned. My guess is that Kobe/Josh gain early while Odom only picks up real speed later in the week. This because of the fact that people will be busy moving into Wizards Fs first. Means there aren't enough F slots to also include Odom right away. At G, there aren't any quality options before Kobe and Josh so I guess they will absorb most stud/midrange G sells, especially early in the week.

#174
Looks good, bd. Only move I have second thoughts about is getting Crawford. He has produced lately but I have my doubts about picking up any Knick. I could be wrong though.

182

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 17:30

#177
If JRich stays healthy he's absolutely a hold for me until 2/3 where he transitions nicely into a Maverick. As I said, no team really gains due to the B2B protecting the end of the Cats schedule, so I don't see any reason to bail early. Would also have held Wallace if not for the definite possibility of him missing time.

#178
Dave, I have to correct you on your first sentence. It must read "As our clueless leader stated earlier" ;)
Of course you're right sucking is completely different from not healthy as performance can change every game. So neither I nor anyone needs to drop Kidd. But many will. Also, many will pick up Kobe. Means if my cushion for the direct move is only 20k, I need to do it now or never. Which tempts me to go the "now" route, even though I could be cursing the move later in the week when at least 8 of my players will get hurt, traded, sued, jailed, etc. But somehow I feel I have to risk it. Which brings us back to the "fearless" leader. Or clueless, we'll see by next Wednesday... :)

#179
bd, you're right that Kidd's B2B matchups are good, but so were LAC/PHO/SAC - in which he flat out sucked. And yes, barring injury JSmooth would be absolutely be a hold through the 1in4. My guess is that in the monster trading week of 1/30 most people will be too busy unloading all the completely ending schedules. So I doubt many will have the trades to also jump off ATL's golden long-term schedule. Means my hope to hold him hopefully is not totally unreasonable.

183

bd
Sustainer
ID: 102112811
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 23:54

Josh Smith 75 points...(nice pickup Soulman)

Jamison, Butler, Odom, Daniels = About 70 pts total.

There may be some huge scores tonight as some popular players with big nights:
Camby (58), Josh Smith (75), Duncan (65), Kaman (40+ at halftime), Stoudemire (50). Wish I held more of them:(

184

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 03:50

Yeah, the Wizards were disappointing but I don't read anything into this game. The Cavs had crushed them by the third so all regulars sat down. They'll be fine next time around.

186

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 07:10

Seems Amare is gonna keep on bleeding, -50 and he played. I dont like this. Is that gonna be another 100 plus today? I have no complaints (at all) about his play though.
5 other Amare owners, whats your take?

187

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 08:11

I don't think I'm worried to much about Amare who's given us about 50 per, the last three games. Any more than JRich who's been slowly bleeding for week now.

188

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 10:10

I apologize for last night, but with total 48 tsnp's from butler, jamison, marion and udrih it was a miracle i cracked the 300 points.
It's just plain horrible right now for me. Nonetheless, show must go on!
I don't worry about amare and j.rich, but about udrih. Any objections on trading him into A.Johnson (ATL), so I can for sure afford going Gay to Odom on 27 (or even J.Rich to J.Simth)?

189

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 10:28

Sounds good Dilo.

Im a little worried about Amare though,could be a sell every other day 3 more times before I had planned to move him.

190

bd
ID: 01081412
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 14:08

Amare to Wallace of course... J/K. But I bet there are some that do.

191

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 15:06

186

I think i will keep Stoudemire one more game. I have 9 players on Friday and i will not take the risk to trade a good performing player before another goes down with an injury.

Quick Question:

Is Kobe a must have in the next weeks? I am not sure. 13 of the next 16 games are on the road where Kobe produces only 40 TSNP. There are so many cheaper players out there producing the same as Kobe.

BD and deejay: will you take Kobe in the next days?

192

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 15:43

Well the original plan was Paul to Kobe on 1/31.
But 11.20 mil later, I wonder I should just go with Odom(not necessarily out of Paul)

193

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 16:01

turnabouts, I'm not sure there are many " must haves " this year. But beginning the end of the month Kobe plays 8 games in 12 days. I think it would be tough to skip that stretch, even if all the games are on the road.

194

bd
ID: 01081412
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 16:05

Turn, I am still debating on Kobe.
I feel my best entries into Kobe are Camby or Duncan. Camby I think I'll hold and Duncan I don't know whether I want to go to Lebron or go Howard then back to Duncan.

I was also looking at Gay to Crawford on the 27th and am now trying to determine if I can afford to go to D. Williams (who by the way, went to my son's middle school and played on the "B" team, like my son does). This may effect what I can afford to do with Duncan so I need to explore that option some more tonight.

Additionally, Kobe's schedule is great, but is performing like an $11 Mil player?

195

Yehosh
ID: 2910291321
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 19:33

INTRUDER

bd, I am also rethinking Kobe. Not sure if he is worth it at this point.

196

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 21:27

For me Amare to Josh Smith today.
JRich should become Camby on 1/27 and thats why I move Amare today, for window purposes.

199

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 11:04

The big question in my future plans is the center question. It all depends on which center i choose to join Kaman. My two favorites are Camby and Brad Miller. Both played very well last time. Al Horford is an alternative too.

So what will team Soulman do? Which center is the best choice?

200

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 11:08

Leaning towards Camby turnabouts. But Miller is certainly an option for me. Cuz hes my other road...

201

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 11:10

there is Dwight too, but 1. the sked is rather short 2. requires another cheapie.
so not gonna go that road i think.

202

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 11:18

My plans kinda depend on Kidd, had planned to keep him till 1/30, but not sure that is the best plan anymore.
Lets see how he does tonight... there is also this now...

203

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 11:22

199-200
Yeah, that's basically is the complete list of acceptable options for the second slot: Dwight, Camby, Miller, Horford. Done.

Personally, I was long set on the Duncan>Dwight>Duncan swap but I'm not so sure anymore, because it means burning a lot of trades. So right now I'm actually considering to hold Miller through the 4-in-11. Should be doable with his excellent production and low ownership, and would save a lot of trades! Camby and Horford are a possiblity too, but it all greatly depends on what I need/want to do at the other positions. Not sure about that yet, I'll let things unfold over the weekend.

204

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 11:25

#202
No doubt that for today Kidd is a hold, but if he doesn't crack 50 tonight I think he has to leave tomorrow. Because holding until 1/30 could turn out to be painful then.

205

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 11:30

203

Keep Miller. He's a fantasy monster right now. I like the Camby buyins more (1/27, 2/2, 2/4) than Millers. But Miller is cheaper, better longtime schedule and not so injury prone like Camby. Tough choice.

206

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 11:33

Indeed Soulman.
No 45plus and hes a goner tomorrow, and then I prolly just hold JRich a bit longer, no games gained by moving him anyway and hes GF.
In that plan JRich would become the other Josh(Howard) prolly.
So Jason should you read this (haha, no way that happens), get your azz into gear.

207

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 11:36

"Keep Miller. He's a fantasy monster right now."

That's absolutely what I thought, too. So basically my Centers should be set for a while and I can focus my trades on the other positions. Brad isn't the money making option that perhaps Camby will be, but I've often noticed how helpful it is to have a few slots which do not make any money but simply produce and can be ignored.

208

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 13:06

Kidd to Josh Smith for me today. I don't like the way the Nets are playing, don't like Kidd's sprained thumb ( saw it happen ) and I see no reason not to move him to Josh today.

I think he will lose $ through 1/30 ( see Amare ) and Josh has been off the charts.

209

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 14:07

Hmm, I know did say that Kidd is a hold but the more I think about it, I can't argue at all with that move. It's beginning to look like Kidd is done. I agree you should go for it, Dave.

210

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 14:20

Well I am a Kidd owner too and you guys make me wonder....
IF I move Kidd, then it will be either to Camby or Odom.
Camby and only one trade on a friday doesnt give me a warm feeling though.
If I go Odom, well then it will be Brad Miller as my C(from JRich on 1/29), and skip Camby all together.
It comes down to:
Odom/Miller
vs
Camby/Crawford(or Marvin Williams)

with Lebron/Kobe in mind....

211

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 14:28

deejay, I don't think if I didn't have Smith as an option, I would move Kidd, especially if it left me with one trade. Not on a Friday at least.

212

Yehosh
Donor
ID: 181082023
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 14:55

ÌNTRUDER - DJ, I too am considering Kidd to Camby, I dont think it is as lateral as it seems

213

bd
ID: 01081412
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 15:01

Ok my team has been hit by DNP's and poor play (and I don't even have Kidd).
I have $4 Mil cash.
Options I am looking at:
Option A --
27th Gay/JRich --> D. Williams/Crawford.
30th Duncan --> LeBron

Option B --
27th Gay/Jrich --> Kobe/N. Robinson.
30th Duncan --> LeBron
My concern with this scenario is my $$ window.
At current prices I need 2.88 to go Duncan to LeBron and the other trades would leave me 3.10. However I think Nate Robinson/Kobe and LeBron will go up and the players I have will drop. I only have a 220K window and I am pretty sure that will dissolve.

Kobe/Nate project slightly better between 27th -11th (17 points using 15 day averages)

214

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 15:59

211

Problem is the windows Dave...

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 16:14

Try some Windex ;)

Looks to me like you want to move JRich/Kidd and Paul => Kobe and TD=> Lebron. Kidd to Camby would leave you 5.97 to replace Jrich. More than enough to afford Crawford or Marvin. If I figured it right.

Looks like a big window to me. If you want to chance it.......

216

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 16:43

Yeah I know I always take big windows.
It happened to me in the past the window closed by 10 or so K. And I dont want to use xtra trades(dont really have them either :).

I also was reading this article in one of Jersey newspapers(Bergen) and I didnt really like what they had to say on Kidd.
But I guess I could wait and see and make the move tomorrow or so...

217

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 16:49

Not sure (yet) which duo I like anyway between Brad/Odom or Camby/Craw.... The first seems safer.
While Craw goes well into Calderon and I dont want to miss out on him again. That hurted the last time.

218

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 17:37

This Crawford - Calderon move is in my mind too and is one of my reasons to go with this route:

Marion, Stoudemire, Duncan, J-Rich and Gay will become LeBron, Kobe, Odom, Brad Miller and Crawford in the next days. So no Camby for me but i like the Brad Miller/ Crawford combo more than the Camby/ Nate robinson combo. Especially because of the Crawford-Calderon move on 2/10.

And in a perfect world nobody must be traded till the allstar break besides Crawford. But we all know that ultimate hoops will never be near to a perfect world.

219

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 17:39

217

I like the Odom/Brad Miller combo more because both players are longterm holds.

213

Same reason here: Option B is better in my eyes.

220

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 17:58

219

Therefor the dilemma.
With Brad/Odom I dont really see how I would get Calderon.

221

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 18:14

220

Hmm.... i like Calderon very much in the moment. But you can always buy him after the all-star-break from another player. And we all don't know if TJ Ford comes back and when. In the next three weeks so many things can happen. I will go with the safer route and pick up Calderon from another player.

222

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 18:26

*intruder

before deciding on the odom/miller combo...maybe have a look at odom's road numbers deejay. with a 9 game road trip going into the break, he might be risky to maintain his recent averages

223

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 18:39

220

You have a point.
Though he really killed me the last time

221

True qwert, there is a difference though, which is no Bynum, and he seems to have upped his production, that sked is golden too.
Brad/Odom leave a little more cash too.

Kind of torn so I think i will keep Kidd another game...

224

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 18:40

numbers are wrong, 221 and 222 of course

225

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 18:55

i thought about that...and it may be true, but i don't necessarily see why bynum would affect road vs. home performance

don't camby and crawford give you more games?

holding for tonight probably makes sense

226

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 18:58

yes more games, but more risk too.

227

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 19:08

maybe...but maybe not. i think odom's just as injury prone as camby.

the extra games, my questions about odom's road play, brad miller's likelihood to lose a bit of money and the smooth transition into calderon makes me prefer camby/crawford.

228

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 19:37

Ilgauskas playing well lately too, if we are talking about Centers.
But never have much luck with him.

230

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 09:17

It seems Kidd will have to go today even after the 61.0. The sad part is he didnt even drop in the owner rankings, so still way too many owners left, despite that 190k.
Think Im gonna scratch Odom off my list.
So hold or Camby.
Have all day to think about it, jeej.

231

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 09:55

deejay, I'm holding Kidd if it can help. Now most people have sold, he can be a nice diferenciator again as last night proved. He'll have another money hit today but that should be it and I like his next 2 opponents. Quickly thought about D.Wiliams but the next 2 opponents are awful.

232

bd
Sustainer
ID: 102112811
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 10:27

My team seems to be spiralling down. I thought I was going to be set up well with Jamison, Butler and Odom, but over the last two games their cumulative TSNP has been dissappointing. The first game the Washington guys tunk it up and last night Odom was almost a no-show. With their schedules I will hold and hope they turn things around. I don't have plans for Kobe at the moment.

233

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 12:28

Another day another plan??

My plan was to move Amare today but Marion goes more om my nerves. So what to do? Losing Points with Marion or losing money with Amare?

What will the other Marion holders do?

234

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 12:40

Tough call if you have both Suns. I only have Marion and still don't know what to do. If I had Amare on top, I'd be totally lost. Will ponder on this a bit more and post if I arrive at any acceptable plan.

235

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 13:05

I have a new plan. A plan without Odom and Brad Miller.

Today i will sell Marion and Stoud to Kobe and Camby. Tomorrow holding J-Rich & Gay and sell one of them on Tuesday (to Crawford, M. Williams, Horford or directly to Calderon). Further Duncan to LeBron on Wednesday.

I like the plan besides taking all the loses tomorrow from J-Rich and Gay.

What do you think?

236

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 13:38

Thinking:

1) Amare today to Maggette. Tomorrow Gay and JRich to Camby/Crawford... and be tradeless.

1/30 TD=> LBJ

Or

2) Amare to Marvin today. Tomorrow Gay/Jrich => LBJ/Crawford

1/30 TD=> Howard

What happened to all my trades? ;(

What looks better. And if 1, would you prefer Marvin over Maggette, the extra cash could be handy

237

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 14:29

236

I like 1) more but with Marvin over the often "DNP" Maggette.

Your plan is risky with being tradeless on Sunday. I am in a similar situation like you. But i am not so courageous to burn my last three trades today and tomorrow. But perhaps i should. When nothing goes wrong i will earn a lot of money.

Does anyone consider Odom anymore?

238

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 17:34

235

Sounds good

236

option 1.

237

The 6.0 really scared me last night.
So hes off my list for now.

239

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 17:41

#235/237
I like your plan a lot. Funnily enough, I also lost my zeal for Odom and am in no hurry to pick him up, if at all. I also like the idea of holding JRich past tomorrow (and hopefully to the end), but that of course depends what he'll do tonight. If he stays in the teens again, it could get ugly tomorrow.

#236
I think dropping Amare today is a good idea. His production has been great but the daily -140s simply aren't tolerable. And that's what the story will be each day for the next few days until his ownership collapses completely on 1/30.
Of your options I like (1) better but I can't really decide between Maggs and Marv. I'm looking hard at both of them myself and seem to be unable to make up my mind.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 17:44

turnabouts, you are keeping a Gay or JRich game over Crawford. Points should favor you by holding but the money will be made by moving tomorrow. But, the risk is being tradeless.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 18:01

As for my own plans, I don't really have to drop anybody today (or this week), but of all viable routes there are some that would include making a move today. So these are the options I'm weighing right now:

A) Marion>Maggs today. Gives me the money and flex to get a decent replacement at either G or F for JRich tomorrow if he stinks it up tonight.

B) Marion>Marv today. Advantage is cheaper price and the option of doing the trade after having seen how JRich fares tonight. If he manages normal output (35+ or so), I would rather hold onto JRich. Disadvantage would be that I go with Marv over Maggs, i.e. going with the guy who I think is inferior in production.

C) Stand pat if I don't like Marv. Means if JRich stinks it up, I have to get a G from him if I want to move him tomorrow. Not the end of the world but I'd like more flex if possible. Also means another night of Marion losses but I think they are not a big problem as his ownership presumably is very low.

So the question to the entire team basically is - do we prefer Maggs over Marv so much that it is worth committing early today? I know turnabouts and Gescom aren't Maggs fans and thus strongly would vote for Marv, but I'd also be interested whether that is the entire team's take on this choice. Because I seem to like Maggs better - even though in the past he's often burned me with DNPs right after luring me in by monster games.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 18:22

Another point to throw in is the question whether I really want to spend a slot on a Maggs or Marv type player? Or better take Marion's slight losses until 1/30, hope that he produces at least a little in the meantime and then get some decent player and not a $4-5m compromise. Decisions, decisions...

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 18:24

Magg vs Marvin for me it is Maggs then. Hes too pricy for my plans. But not considering that then I prefer Maggs.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 18:52

I really don't like Magg and Marv. Why not Horford Soulman. This closes the door for another forward but gives you a good insurance if Kaman or Miller gets injured.

Another possibility is taking Calderon on Tuesday from J-Rich. It's a bit early and a big red hole is coming but from 1/29 to the allstar break he is the top producer of all players under 5000k in 7/15/30 day average (besides Bynum). I consider this by myself.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 20:20

With this Kaman news, Im gonna quietly hold Kidd then. JRich to Camby tomorrow .... a 440k window should do.

246

turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 20:24

245

Same here. But which on to hold: Marion or Amare? And which one to buy: Kobe or Camby?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 20:28

Well Amare is a C at the end, and Marion has been sucking a lot.
Amare still has a lot money to lose though, still ranked first among F, more owners than TD.
Camby too is a C.
Kobe is Kobe.
Tough choice.

on Kaman per rotoworld:

Chris Kaman was not in the Clippers' lineup on Saturday, presumably nursing a sore ankle that has been bothering him for some time.

Aaron Williams got the start, but we don't expect Kaman to miss much time, so don't bother picking up Williams. We'll have an update as soon as more information is available.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 21:02

Finally Marion to Kobe. Keeping Amare, no Camby.

249

Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 03:49

Finally, it was good for something to have me on our team. I'm the only one in GMD without Kaman. ;)

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 04:20

J.Rich -> J.Smith today for me. Not sure what to do in the next two days with stoudamire, maybe go camby after amares game today (planned was Kaman, but everytime I was going to buy him, he skipped practice and now even a game).

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 06:31

I just run the sortable stats and Zach Randolph jumped into my eyes. Since Marbury is out NY had a 5-2 winning record and Zack averages 38,7 TSNP. What do you think? Is it only a fluke?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 06:59

Zach is an option to me, turnabouts.
Dont think I can fit him in though.

Im not sure what to do with Kaman now, hes day-to-day. Guess we should hold.

Soulmen, what youll think?

JRich is making it tough to sell.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 07:46

FWIW, JRich absolutely stays for me, I already have all the Guards I want and thus don't see the point in moving him on my team. Especially now that there is bigger turmoil in the fantasy world with the Kaman injury.

I know he could be back the next game and I know his schedule goes on like forever but a DNP on what arguably is the top owned player is never a good omen. Right now he's listed as questionable for Monday which makes me wonder whether this is a good moment to cash in, let off some steam of his price, possibly upgrade his slot and triangle back in later when he isn't bothered by injuries anymore.

It's just that I don't want to endure massive hit after hit in the hopes of him returning quickly only to find out he misses more time. It's a bit similar to the Wallace situation (though not identical), but even though Gerald hasn't missed a minute (and a beat) I'm glad I moved him. So I'm leaning towards doing the same with Kaman. Having Horford on my team already, possible exits today from Kaman would be Camby, Odom or LBJ, all of whom would fill different needs. Don't like Randolph, the schedule is too short.

Any opinions on all this?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 07:53

Well I might go Kaman to Camby and hold JRich too. JRich could then eventually become Kaman again...
Need to look at it better though.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 09:04

The lovely world of TSN and surprise DNP's.

I aborted the planned Amare => Maggette trade yesterday, unfortunately, only on this team and moved Amare to Camby.

Was planning on Gay/Jrich => Crawford/Marvin today leaving money for TD=> LBJ next week. With yesterday price changes, I can accomplish the Lebron move, hold Jrich and only move Gay=> Crawford ( 220K cushion ). With the small window, I think the Crawford move need to be done today. As far as Marvin, here is no game advantage until Jrich's schedule totally dries up. And Jrich is better. It would only be a money move. With the Kaman news, that might make the most sense.

My take on Kaman. I believe he will be back for the next game, at worst miss only one more. I could move him to anyone as long as TD is still around, yet I don't want to force anyone on my roster.

I've blown through way to many trades here with surprise DNP's ( Daniels who's knee became sore, only for a day, the "will he or won't he play, SJ news ", who played , who became Melo, who turned an ankle, and Mo, who suddenly thinks a sore pinkie is a reason to sit).

Holding Jrich is only delaying the inevitable, he must go soon so a trade needs to be earmarked there.

Is it worth considering, to save a trade by holding Gay for one more game and moving to Calderon. Calderon schedule is awful for a while, but it comes down to 1 Gay, 5 Calderon vs 9 Crawford. The extra trade translates into 50 more points, using 15 day ave's, plus the revenue generated. So I think the trade is worth it.

IN any event, unless Kaman is ruled out for a while, he's a hold IMO.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 09:21

Zach's a no go for me, don't like the NY-Situation, schedule to short, in that price range i like josh howard better.
Kaman will definetly lose big today, maybe be the top loser, think the comparison with g.wallace as soulman said describes it the best.
Thinking about going camby instead of smith (more gains today) and then smith tomorrow from marion or stoudamire.
What do you think?
J.Rich -> Smith or Camby ???

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 11:15

I don't like the Kaman situation at all. Heavy losses today, residual losses tomorrow whether he plays or not and potential massive hit on Tuesday if he sits again tomorrow.
I've made the choice to hold healthy and productive but bleeding Kidd and Stoudemire to be able to handle DNPS and injuries. That's one, with probably the highest owned player in the game. The guy is known to be tough and 'can't put weight on it' doesn't sound good to me.
So Kaman -> Randolph most likely for me. Randolph and the Knicks have unarguably shown signs of life the past 2 weeks with a positive record and Knicks schedule is tsnp-friendly for the most part for the next 2 weeks.
Should Kaman be back tomorrow, he'll back on my team Wednesday from Duncan / Stoudemire.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 11:37

Gescom, just curious..

Assuming Amare and TD need to go 1/30 ( I suppose they could be held an extra game, but talk about massive hits ) and if by chance Kaman is still out, and that one of above becomes Lebron, who will you get as your 2nd C? I'm guessing you will still be holding Boone as one of your C's.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 12:43

It will be either Kaman if healthy or Miller if not, Boone being my second one. Miller will probably become a must have by 2/6 if he keeps producing the way he has produced so I won't mind jumping early on 1/30 should I need to.
Should Krstic returns soon, I'll have to revisit but latest I've read is that Krstic is not quite yet ready to play.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 12:58

Still working on my plans, but Kaman is going.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 13:03

I have not the money to go Kaman to Camby and i am still working on my plans too. Probably i will burn my last two trades today and keep Amare till Wednesday.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 13:12

Horford seems an option to me too.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 13:57

Regarding my target from Kaman I've run a few projections, which clearly rule out the Odom route as being vastly inferior TSNP-wise. Surprisingly, also the route which would have me take James today and Kaman from another slot next week doesn't project anywhere my top option of going Camby today and Lebron on Wednesday! So I think that's what I'm gonna do. Especially as Camby (aside from Miller/Horford for those without cash) is the most natural exit from Kaman and thus should be today's top gainer by far. Plus he's a great fit if I want back to to Duncan (Dwight is completely out of my plans now).

So Kaman>Camby for me today. Any objections?

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 14:00

#265 should read "...doesn't project anywhere near my top option of going Camby today..."

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 14:06

Nope.
But Im doing the same. :)

Considering JRich to Horford too, either today or tuesday.
So I can go Duncan to Lebron without any problems, since I secure another C spot.

But an all likelyhood will hold off on JRich to Horford for today, so I can see whats going with Kaman first...

Anyway planning for more than one day seems a bit waste of time right now.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 17:09

So Kaman to Camby for me and holding JRich.

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bd
Sustainer
ID: 102112811
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 17:48

U Suspects -- FYI -- I see on Rotoworld that Varejoe went down and the way they describe it doesn't sound good. They shuld know more later.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 18:03

Kaman to Crawford.

That gives me the money i need in the next days to get LeBron and Co.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 06:06

I think I will move Kidd today, Ive really had it with him. He sucks and I hate him.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 5510262310
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 09:45

269- Thanks for the heads up...I was watching the game and saw it happen. The ankle completely turned; that is a really bad break for my team. I am already tradeless and have two absolute must trades on Wednesday in Duncan and Amare. Varajeo was a long term cheapie hold for me and nearly the worst player that could have gone down with an injury. Hopefully he will be back by Wednesday but I seriosuly doubt it...we'll see.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 09:56

It doesn't sound good for Varejao , Usual Suspects...

I ended up trading Kaman, and now have completely blown through my stash of trades. I'm totally banking on Kaman's return tonight as I need an exit from TD at C. TD/Jrich => Howard/James works if I can make up 200K with the next 2 days of price changes.

Other than that, I'm not sure what I will do...

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 10:14

For me it is kinda simple (and at the same time not).
I have Kidd/Paul/Duncan/JRich and (will) have 5 trades, so I could be down to one trade on thursday already.
Unless I keep one...

Kidd has to go, he just plain sucks and I feel a trade coming up in Netsland(Dave, you as a Netsman, whats your take on this?)
Plan has him become Horford today. As Im in need of C and cash.
Duncan has to become Lebron(1/30)
Paul has to become Kobe(1/31)

Leaves JRich.
Right now it looks like hes gonna stay till around 2/3 and then become Josh Howard/Kaman.

Thats gonna cost me some bucks though.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 10:24

I have no idea what the Nets are thinking. Bottom line is they are just plain awful right now, so nothing would surprise me. You can find all you want to know about the Nets here .

As far as your trades deejay, I agree JRich can hang around a while. Other than sucking, so can Kidd, but I'm not sure I would keep him either. I guess you have no plans for Howard, who would solve a C problem, but mean skipping Kobe or Lebron.

Is Brad Miller affordable, he might be a better option than Horford, but that would lock you out of Kaman.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 10:32

Thanks Dave.

Dwight would solve that indeed, but since has the shortest sked of them, I certainly prefer to have the other 2.
Kobe is playing out of his mind right now and has that sked.
I really dont want to skip Lebron.

Miller would make money pretty close and as you say locks me out of Kaman which I dont like.
While I certainly prefer Miller over Horford.

Its just not my year.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 11:39

I want to correct that I would have the cash for Miller, but it would still lock me out of Kaman.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 11:40

And reasonable, I would then wait to move Kidd.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 12:03

Right now it looks like hes gonna stay till around 2/3 and then become Josh Howard/Kaman. Thats gonna cost me some bucks though.

But waiting also will gain you bucks! The ones you will make on Mavs. If you drop JRich early, would you have a good entry to JHoward? Or even a trade to hop on late week trains? What I want to say is that JRich>Josh on 2/3 is an absolutely perfect fit - and seeing how many other fires each team has to put out right now I simply think selling JRich any earlier does not make sense at all.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 12:12

Other than a return to Kaman

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 12:54

True that. But depending on how much time he misses, I'd like to see at least one game of his before I buy back into him. Nothing worse than aggravating an injury by returning early.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 13:01

So it comes down:

Horford
vs
Miller(locks me out of Kaman and lets me keep Kidd another game)

Have some time to think about it, so thats what Im gonna do.

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bd
ID: 01081412
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 15:59

Dave R. -- I know it's not on your GMD team (see Post 257), but I saw on an injury report:

*Guard Corey Maggette (1/28, flu-like symptoms) is questionable for Monday's game against Charlotte

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bd
ID: 01081412
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 16:04

On NBA.com they don't have Kaman listed as a probable starter for tonight. Don't know how much you can rely on it.
Clips vs. Bobcats probable starters per nba.com

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 16:05

Great. Thanks BD.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 16:41

I give up on Kidd, can bear it anymore. See you on another team may be.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 18:20

Im pretty close to a Kidd to Horford move myself Gescom.
Cant stand him anymore.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 11:23

3 Plans to go:

A) today: Gay - B.Miller
Wednesday: Duncan - LeBron and Stoudemire to Kaman
2/3 J-Rich - Josh Howard

If Kaman will not play on Wednesday or beeing a gametime decision i will hold Amare one more game and do the trade on Friday.

B) today: Gay - Horford
Wednesday: Duncan - LeBron and Stoudemire to B.Miller
2/3 J-Rich - Nowitzki

If Kaman plays tomorrow i can go to him and skip B.Miller and take J. Howard instead of Dirk on 2/3

C) today: Gay - Center under 3400k (Kwame Brown, Blount, J. Foster)
Wednesday: Duncan- LeBron and Stoudemire to Howard
2/3: J-Rich to Josh Howard

I like A) with Kaman and Brad Miller the most. But it's risky because it's not save that Kaman will return tomorrow. Then B)

What do you think?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 12:15

Seem to prefer B turnabouts, then A. Close call though
Dont like C.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 12:59

definitely A, turnabouts.

With Kaman's iffy status, you have the capability of holding Amare an extra game. I would fully expect Kaman back Friday at the latest.

The Horford route would give F/C flex for down the road ( and make the most $ ), but I'm not convinced he's the real answer and you might find you'll be itching to trade him soon, if he isn't needed as a C.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 13:18

turnabouts, would you consider Calderon and D Howard instead of Josh and Horford ( or Kaman )

I think you have the funds to move Jrich and Gay to Miller / Calderon today and tomorrow James and Dwight. Solves a C dillema and Kaman can be obtained later from another source if need be.

Calderon's sched is the same as Horford for the next week or so , and I think up to 2/19 he plays 2 less games, but the points could be a wash. And you know he is someone you want long term.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 13:38

A) is my favourite too.

I have also two ways to go, one very similar to turnabots A) which would be:
Tomorrow:
Duncan, Amare, Marion to James, Kaman, Miller (holding Amare one more game would be a possibility too if Kaman is uncertain)
This would leave me with i think about 0,8 Mio window to get J.Howard from Gay on the 3rd.

B)
Tomorrow:
Duncan, Amare, Marion to James, D.Howard, Horford, then Howard back to Duncan.
Would leave me out of Kaman (again), and would mean i keep Gay (probably beyond the All-Star-Break)

Anybody a favourite?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 13:57

A.
dont like the holding of Gay that much, sked is pretty bad.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 14:01

#290
Definitely not C, turnabouts. Both A and B are good routes, I seem to like B slightly better as it gives you the most flexibility. But it's a close call between A and B, either one looks good.

#294
Dilo, with your options I absolutely prefer A. What I don't like about B at all is keeping Gay and the many trades on TD>DH>TD. I had planned that swap myself weeks ago but the recent flurry of injuries makes me prefer more conservative options now.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 14:01

Thanks for your answers.

293

I have only one trade left today so i can only move Gay or J-Rich. And Calderon comes to my team from Crawford on 2/10.

294

Do you have the possibility to move Gay today to Horford and tomorrow Duncan, Amare and Marion to LeBron , Kaman and B. Miller (or Marion to Kaman on Friday)?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 14:26

I have only one trade left today so i can only move Gay or J-Rich

I would do Gay then today. But I see now that was indeed the plan...

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 14:26

297
I have the possibility, but that would leve me with one trade after wednessday. And I would prefer miller and j.howard more than miller and horford.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 16:46

Is anyone considering Ilgauskas in this whole center-mess? He's doing quite well lately.

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turnabouts
ID: 6828256
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 17:21

300

Not really. What is your plan?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 19:00

Well this Butler thing really kills it.
What a year.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 05:14

301
No plan with Ilgauskas, but after the caron-news i'm seriously considering keeping my two centers (Duncan-Amare) for the next game (actually the play each other and SA-PHO shoud be a intense game), and going today Butler, Marion to B.Miller and James.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 07:03

Im defenitely going Butler to Lebron today.
The rest well I dont know yet.

From tomorrow on, our Captain will watch my team till Monday.
Since Im going back to my home country for a few days and hardly wont have any time to deal with the NIA, the National Injured Association.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 07:19

If you are unsure what the column header means, hover over it with your mouse.
A pop up will display a longer definition of the header.

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2	Gescom-1851	13924	274.5	2954.5	48	77.58	2.48	75.10	0.29	4
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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 07:28

Well, Bulter certainly changed things. So much for trying to map things out. With the news that Butler is out tonight and nothing definite for Friday, and with Kaman's iffy status, looks like the options are:

1) Hold Butler and hope he plays Friday
JRich => Lebon
TD => Kaman tonight ( or wait til Friday )

2) Butler => Lebron
TD => Kaman ( see above )
JRich => Butler later

Honestly, if I knew Butler was going to play on Friday, I would prefer option 1.

And there is no real rush to move TD => Kaman tonight.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 09:13

I think I will move Butler, Dave.

so far I accomplished 2 plans, Camby really needs to play for this:

A.
Butler/Duncan to Kobe/Lebron today
2/3 JRich to Josh H./Butler/Kaman/Dirk

B.
Butler/Jrich to Lebron/Miller
2/1 Duncan to Kobe

In both plans Camby ideally becomes Duncan on tuesday.
Any advice is welcome today.
This is no fun at all.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 09:14

Paul stays till 2/7 btw, then he becomes Calderon.

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 10:10

*intruder

307, deejay...for B, why not

Duncan and Butler to Lebron/Miller today
and
Jrich to Kobe tomorrow

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 10:27

oops thanks qwert, thats what i meant too. my bad.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 12:39

Leaning towards Duncan/Butler to Lebron/Kobe today.

JRich stays then till I can either change him into Kaman/Dirk/Josh Howard/Butler

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 13:53

Already have Jamison/Kobe/Miller/Smith/Camby/Horford so I'm thinking Duncan/Butler > James/Iguodala tonight. Could even get LeBron and Dirk from Duncan and Butler by 10k - but with a new player going down every night I think it's vital to keep some cash reserves as well as ensuring total position flex. This is why I prefer Iggy over short-term fixes like Wallace or Deron. And Iverson isn't really a guy I want to pick up as trade-challenged as I am, so Iggy seems the guy to get. Any objections?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:14

Sounds good to me Soulman.
You're about to recieve mail btw.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:17

Or what about Odom, Soulman?
Less flex though.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:30

Yes, Odom would have been the other option. I like Iggy's flex though - and going by the averages his production is superior to Odom's. Besides, buying Iggy has to be today. Odom has still time until tomorrow when I could get him from whoever surprise DNPs tonight.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:34

true that :)

You've got mail.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 5510262310
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:38

Wow...4 trades and the following players on my team:

Duncan
Amare
Butler
Varajeo
Camby
Kidd

Kidd and Camby are clear holds, though I am very weary of a DNP shortly from either or...however the other 4 look like they all need to go! Varajeo is obviously priority #1 to sell. Amare has to go either today or after tomorrow's game at the latest. Duncan can theoretically be held but an 0 in 5 is absolutely terrible, would almost rather gamble and be tradeless. Butler is the clear unknown in this scenario. Would you guys rather hold Duncan or Butler?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:43

Would you guys rather hold Duncan or Butler?

That is a tough question, Duncan will play 2 games this week
Butler might play 3 max(today not, that we know)
But that is a big Might at this point.
So tend to say hold TD...
Not sure about it though.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:51

US, I'd rather hold Duncan. Their price tag is almost identical but Duncan is healthy and provides flex if needed. Besides, Duncan sells are focused on today and Friday. Nobody in their right mind would sell Duncan on any other day of the week.

Butler on the other hand will lose today, tomorrow (by those managers who aren't on top of things) and from Friday on if there isn't early news that he will play. Means Butler is Wallace and Kaman all over again. And no holder of either of these players has really been rewarded by doing so, so I don't have any reason to think that Butler holders will be rewarded.

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 14:59

*intruder

I think I was rewarded nicely by holding Wallace

39, 47, 39.5, 53

and I still have the opportunity to gain a game

Not to say Butler is the same as Wallace...I think he's more like Kaman...and I agree that holders could be in for trouble.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 15:05

Absolutely, I agree that point-wise you have. What I meant that holding mostly means $$$ punishment - and participating in a 800-1000k swing or not right now could make the difference between getting the must-have stud or the mid-range compromise later on. Means at this point of the season I still measure reward both in terms of points and money.

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bd
Sustainer
ID: 102112811
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 15:33

I hae TD and Butler to move today. All 4 guards spots are taken & I have $6.44 in $$. I could move TD/Butler -- > LeBron/D. Howard and that would leave me $2.0 left. Unfortunately that is $530K short of moving Horford back to Kaman. I could not get D. Howard and nobody else is really jumping out at me as a good option.
So option A above and may not go back into Kaman for awhile (could go Camby to Kaman) but don't really like that idea.
Td --> LeBron and Hold Butler (Option B)
TD/Butler --> LeBron and someone under $9.9 Mil (Can't be a guard) (Option C)

I would trade Howard back to Duncan on Tuesday.

Next week I have D. Williams and Crawford to move.

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Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 16:35

BD, I wouldn't base too many things on Kaman. Who knows when he is back? And who knows whether he'll be able to maintain the same torrid pace as before the injury? Besides, he's not $6m anymore and he's not the only C producing. What I'm trying to say is his position among Cs is different than earlier in the season - in the sense that IMO he isn't necessarily a must-have player anymore. I can see teams that have e.g. Miller/Duncan as Cs the upcoming weeks and I believe these teams are as competitive as Kaman teams.

So if you feel good about a move and the only reason not to do it would be that you lock yourself out of Kaman, I'd say forget about Kaman and go with the move you like. If you're unsure and you want to have some in to Kaman even if you don't know yet whether we'll need him or not, then don't blow all money on Dwight but go with some of the $8m guys instead to leave your options open.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 17:37

Apologies for lack of posts lately. Just swamped at work with a lot of travel.

This Butler thing just adds to the horrendous list these days. That's a replication of the Kaman situation and I think he's a must move.

I'm thinking Amare / TD / Butler -> Lebron / Miller / Nowitzki, supposedly 3 long term holds.

Down to one trade but no other must moves this week. Next Tuesday, if I'm not tradeless before which I seriously doubt at current pace, Randolph may convert back into Butler or Duncan.

Agree with Soulman on Kaman. Not a must have anymore until he proves he's a must have again.

Any objection on the above plan, please let me know.

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Dilo
Donor
ID: 30912294
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 17:50

Sounds ok, Gescom.
I just did Stoudamire, Butler to James and Miller. Keeping Duncan and Marion for at least one more game, and reevaluate later.
Going to bed now and am afraid of the news to come when I wake up and check the scores. ;)

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 18:01

Guys I'll see you all in a few days.
Monday Im back.
Soulman has my team under control in the meantime.
Thanks to our Captain for that.

I went Butler/Duncan to Kobe/Lebron since I didnt have them yet.

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bd
Sustainer
ID: 102112811
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 18:35

RE #307 -- I don't really get the Camby to Duncan move. Camby's schedule is fine. I understand Duncan will be a big gainer, but if Camby performs well, it seems like there may be better trade opportunities further down the road.

If that is going to be a popular move, I may need to rethink holding Camby though. I will be going Dwight to Duncan.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 18:41

Its better for my heart bd :)
Its not set in stone by any means, but that is stuff for when Im back.

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