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Subject: Team Bandwagon GMD team (TP5)

Posted by: The Bandwagon@work - [151118518] Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 18:58

"I issued an upgrade for Team Bandwagon before the bell on Jan. 3rd to a market outperform for the next 3 sessions."

That's from the Team Bandwagon TP4 thread. The upgrade was dead on as Team Bandwagon has broke out of a trading range to a new 52 week high.

Great job guys!

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 19:04

Hopefully this time we'll do even better - I can't possibly make every wrong decision again, can I?

The Bandwagon@work
ID: 151118518
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 19:23

SU, you're my #1 pick bro, everyone knows you'll shrug off the bad luck soon, and be the anchor for our team down the stretch.

You're having the same exact season I had last year. Everyone I picked up got hurt, and most of the ones that got hurt were differation picks. Hang in there.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 19:31

I sure hope so, it's gotten to the point where I can't really even plan anything. Everything changes nightly.

Think I should hold Daniels? I'm leaning towards it. I'm thinking of getting AJohnson now in a few days, and if I sold Daniels for him tonight I'd be looking for a guard in Daniels' price range in a couple days anyway...

He said he's going to play, that has to count for something, right?

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 20:51

Wow, Mo Williams randomly out. Absolutely incredible. I don't even know what to say.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Wed, Jan 16, 2008, 21:08

Looks like Mo has the flu. Amazing. Wonder if it's just a one game thing or more. When I had the flu in the past I remember it being a ten day mess.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 09:09

SU, I feel your pain. I'm going to hold Mo through this.

I just looked at my previous plan and revised it. I'm going to spend 1 more trade and go:

Howard > TD today
Calderon, Jax > Wiz duo on 20th.

and TD > Kobe sometime in the next trade week.

Gary D @ work
ID: 44650614
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 12:40

Also planning howard-Td today.Was going to go into LBJ early but going into him on 1/25.
Anyone looking at bogut coming up for his 8 in 12??....take a look and see what u think.....

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 15:33

I think I have to hold Mo, especially with the trifecta of the new Jackson news / the status of Daniels / the fact that someone goes down every night. And then on top of it, I want Lebron early.

The flu has never held anyone out more than a game, right?

The Bandwagon@work
ID: 151118518
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 21:57

Did anyone here not go Dwight to Duncan?

What's the team's thoughts on Josh Boone?

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 22:16

captain my team is screwed.
the plan in post#6 does not work because i do not have enough flex to go jax, calderon > jamison, butler

but i already did howard > td

panic time!

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 22:22

now in order to make #6plan work, i need to force out of TD and bundle him with calderon and get a wiz and kobe. but that means i just used an extra trade to gain 1 td game (over howard) along with some price swing tonight.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 22:55

10 - Didn't have Howard, but have Duncan already. I like Josh Boone, picked him up earlier in the week. Wow, came home a little while ago and almost forgot to move SJax to Rudy Gay. If I forgot, I guess I could have made the move tomorrow, but I assume it would have cost me some $$$.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 10:58

Guys, I'm heading out of town for a couple of days, and have about a half an hour to make a decision on Daniels. I'm considering moving him to either Anthony Johnson or Tim Thomas. I'd probably hold Daniels regardless of whether he plays tonight, but I also am planning on moving Josh Smith to Kidd and Baron to Kobe over the next few days, and my price window has closed, so I'd need the Daniels money to make those moves anyway. Any other thoughts, I'll have to make a decision on Daniels in the next hour or so.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 15:24

Thomas is really intriguing, he's under the radar and has been putting up good numbers and that schedule is great. The only downside I see is that he takes up a forward slot, which could be huge in a week.

It's weird, right now it feels like there are too many guard options, but then in a week or so all of a sudden it switches. It's annoying because there are a couple really good cheap long term forward holds.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 21:12

Well my plans were to move Gay Calderon and Davis into Kidd Kobe and a gaurd cheap enough to afford that. Like 3 mill i think. Gay was gunna be moved this week if I was feeling aggerssive or next if i wanted to be safe as it would ahve left me tradeless. With Gay out with the flu he likely will miss tomorrow and should be sold meaning I ma almost definitely going tradeless sunday as calderon and Davis can't really last the week.

Any see alternatives to gonig tradeless? Technically baron doesnt really lose a game to people till next week so i could move gay to someone up to cheaper and then just move calderon to kobe and figure out baron next week but Im not sure this is worth it. How bad is holding Baron and missing Kidd?

Also if I do make all 3 moves id likely get the same players picking up my cheapie gaurd and Kidd tomorrow and then Kobe the next day. This sound good?

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 07:48

dpr, I think Baron needs to go this week, he's going to lose a ton. At the same time, points-wise I'd take a Baron game over a Kobe or Kidd game any day, but the money should more than offset that. It's a tough call, the tradeless decision. I was prepared to do so also but ended up holding Mo Williams, so hopefully I won't have to.

I have a huge decision today to make today. Do I move Baron to Kidd, or hold Baron for another game and just go right to Kobe. Assuming I get Dwight back on 1/30 by packaging Kidd and Duncan for him and a cheaper guard, it pretty much comes out to:

A) 7 Kidd and 1 Mo game for one extra trade.
vs.
B) 5 Kobe and 1 Baron

It probably makes sense to do A but I just have this fear that Kidd is going to do what he always does to me, while Kobe shoots up a million before I can get him from Mo on 1/31.

Also, for those getting Kidd, when do you plan on selling him? You know some people are going to try to force a sell after the back to back on 1/26, but there aren't any schedule fits then at all. I'm hoping he can make it to 1/30.

I'm going to need to take a cheap guard from Calderon tomorrow, and a cheap or midpriced one from Kidd in a couple weeks.

The cheap guard situation just got a lot more complicated with Johnson's possible suspension. I was considering getting him from Calderon tomorrow, but now may have to look elsewhere. There are some okay options out there but many are in gravity. Farmar is very tempting but that could be a disaster. Nate Robinson is looking pretty good, but I don't like the idea of buying into a 1 in 5 (or a Knick).

What do you guys think?

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 07:58

Is Navarro's role increasing in Memphis, or have the last couple games just been due to players being out?

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 08:31

SU im short on time so ill be brief but sadly the cheap gaurd who looked best to me last night was cassell. hope i find something better today as I need one too.

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 10:51

#21 - Right now I think I agree with you. He's out of gravity and can theoretically be held a long time. The only downside is the injury factor, but with the meh-ness or already-owned-ness of the other options maybe it can be ignored, especially combined with him not really having any competition for the job and the long schedule.

If I did take Cassell however, I'd be forced to do the Kidd route over the Kobe route. Taking Kobe now would require someone more in the range of Farmar or Robinson.

Fortunately I don't have to decide the guard thing until tomorrow, Calderon's staying tonight. Right now I'm thinking Baron to Kidd today, but I have a sick feeling about it, especially since Baron plays first and Kidd afterwards. I have this bad feeling Baron's going for 80 while Kidd decides to fake another migraine.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 10:55

ok im really stuck

So regardless if I go tradeless by moving Baron to kidd I need to find a cheap alternative to Gay so I can afford calderon to Kobe. Kobe seems like too much of a must have at least starting 11/30 to pass up and since I have to get Lebron then too getting Kobe now makes things simplest. So I need a guard less than like 2.5 (3 if i go Baron to Kidd). I always knew that i would need to find a cheap gaurd around now when i sold Calderon but with Daniels and Johnson both looking pretty good I figured I'd be fine. But they don't look as good now. Here are my options:

A Johnson: with a 6 in 14 and a possible suspension i'm not interested in going here...though cheaper price and possible long hold are a plus.

Daniels: my early choice but with lingering injury and production slipping to the low 20s not looking all that great

Nate Robinson: good production and a bit cheaper. has a 1 in 5 coming up tho and cant be held as long as others as would need to be sold before ASB

Cassell: has one more game thru end of robinsons schedule and one more than daniels thru ASB plus a good schedule after that. Also recently has a higher average than both players (take out his 50 and they are on par). With his inconsistant play, injury history, and him on the trading block this becomes a very risky move.

Mobley: like cassell in that has best schedule but less risk involved. is stuck in gravity tho

So pretty much all my options are crap. Which do you guys like? someone else?

An alternative is to get two midpriced players instead of the stud and cheapie. If i did this I would likely skip Kidd as I consider Kobe more a must have at this point especially with Kidd potentially being a short hold and being short on trades. If i did that I could move Baron to Kobe next week without a loss of games if i needed (tho lose a lot of money)

So mid priced options...
1. Get Vince today and pick up Devin Harris tomorrow or Terry from Calderon. Terry looks better but is likely to stay in gravity right?

2. get AI today and then get Devin Harris tomorrow as I wouldn't have enough for terry if i waited till next week for Baron to kobe.

Going Tradeless
Since calderon is a mist go regardless moving Baron today means I'm tradeless today in effect. With the 2 real light days of games I dont consider this awful tho. If i wait to move baron till after todays games then since I only risk losing one game (if any) since the schedule is so sparse and likely on one RV hit unless one of the players tomorrow gets hurt so I don't consider that too big a loss. right?

Ok so i asked a lot of questions. If people could give their opinion on just a bit id appreciate it. Right now with the lack of cheap gaurds I'm leaning towards the two middle priced options as it does force me into a player i will hate having and also allows me to hold Baron an extra day to greatly minimize the penalty for going tradeless.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 10:59

SU id also caution you to look at a possible trade possibility for Cassell. Rotoworld mentions a possible move to boston but I dont know how likely this is. With bostons schedule being awful this would mean he has to go.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 11:47

alright well I ahve made some decisions. Since SU agrees if I go with a cheap guard it will be Cassell. Also if I got he mid priced route it will be Iverson and Harris. Looking at the sortables makes skipping kidd look pretty tough as he projects 80 points higher than any guard till the ASB and over 110 more than any one other than Kobe tho these also cause me to miss a Baron game so dock that 45 points. Skipping Kobe now seems feasible because I realized that I can move into him and Lebron end of the month when I have to sell Stoudemire and Duncan and can package one of Camby or Iverson tho i would be getting him much more expensive. his ten days before and and ten after the ASB are too good to skip tho.

Ok lets compare AI/Harris to Kobe/Cassell

lets assume i move AI to Kobe 1/30

7 AI x41 = 287
14 harris (til ASB) x 27 = 378
1 more trade used
= 665

15 cassell x 25 = 375
5 Kobe x 45 225
=600

If anything I was more generous with the second averages so i think that is the path to take tho the Kobe gains could be significant enough to outweigh the lost points. Harris and iverson both should make some money tho while cassell will likely make very little

So now it comes down to baron to Kidd with the alternative being baron to Kobe and then having possibilty of holding AI (if it wsant for fear of price losses I could see Denver guys being held til end of march if trade strapped)

So Kidd thru ASB vs the baron game plus Kobe plus the AI i wont have to trade

Kidd equals 689 and its 50 + 225 + 287 = 562 so greatly in Kidds favor so I have to go that way i guess.

How bad would price changes be on Baron and Kidd today as If I waited till tomorrow for the move i could gain points and eiliminate my fear of going tradeless. Going tradless sunday is definitely worth the extra 140 points with the low schedule?

Any sees flaws with my conclusions? trade baron today or wait a day?

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 12:12

Do you mean you're definitely getting Kobe later, and are getting Kidd, Iverson, and Cassell now? And you're wondering if you should take Baron's game or Kidd's game tonight?

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 12:12

*intruder

i see no flaws dpr...but i don't have an answer...same dilemma...baron to kidd today or tomorrow?

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 12:13

alright so gay is scheduled to play so rethinking things.....so if i go with plans from before gay got sick then i get one gay game today instead of the cassell game and still need to move gay for a cheap guard. Since still none of the options are good I still want to avoid this route altho it makes daniels more attractive if hes healthy. Holding gay another day does give me better alternatives to going tradeless than skipping Kidd. Think Im keeping the palns i discussed above tho

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 12:28

SU....I am not getting cassell anymore. i dont need to go that cheap if I dont get Kobe so i am going with devin harris who projects better (tho now that u made me look at it not really for the extra money, tho it is less risky. either way that move is out of calderon tomorrow) And yes I will definitely have an in to Kobe on 1/31. 1/30 I am moving Stoudemire/Duncan to LBJ/xx with xx being cheap enough to afford Kobe. Wallace may also be moved potentially allowing xx to be howard. havent thought that far but yes i will have kobe.

Also I'm now realizing the gay to AI move makes me go tradeless while only gaining ten points thru 1/26 at which point not even sure i would want AI. tho if i dont get AI then I ahve to move Camby to get Kobe (or have moved wallace, jamison may provide enough) and camby I may like to hold

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 12:34

#19, I like option A.

I'd love to help you decide DPR, but I doubt you'd consider my opinion since we are close in the overall.

I have a question, does it make sense to trade Beno for Boone at this point? Boone does pick up 2 games over 2 weeks, but looking into Feb. Beno makes up those games.

I know Beno's role has decreased, but he's cheap, and still getting 25 mins a game. I don't see where I gain alot by going Beno to Boone.

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 12:56

Bandwagon, would you also go with Cassell if you needed a cheap guard?

The non-gravity options for Choice A are Cassell, Anthony Carter, McCants, Robinson, Kleiza, Telfair, and Navarro. I'll throw in Farmar too because I think he'll break.

For Choice B, I'd have to rule out Cassell and Carter and Telfair.

Cassell and Carter are probably the two best options, but Carter is already so heavily owned. Even though he can be held forever theoretically, it could get ugly, especially with his ability to throw up games in the teens.

If I go with Choice A, which I can't really see a way around, I'd probably make the Baron to Kidd move tonight for the money. I think it will be in the neighborhood of a 300K+ swing. That being said, I'd much rather have the certainty of the Baron game. I HATE trading an early game for a late game - shades of Andre Miller to Brand a couple years ago, where Brand ended up being a surprise DNP.

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 14:06

SU, I would definately stay away from Cassell. Out of the players mentioned, I like Nate the best with Marbury out.

What do you think about my situation mentioned in post 31? Beno is the same type player you're looking for in post 32. So does it make sense to swap Beno for Boone?

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 14:19

It's tough. I think there are a lot of good cheap forward options right now, but you'll want that slot for expensive forwards very soon. Personally I wouldn't do it since Beno has already suffered the losses, and then you can reevaluate in a week. I think you'll need that cheap guard slot.

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 14:26

That's the way I'm leaning also. With my current plans, Boone wouldn't affect my plans with the forwards I want.

As you know, plans are changing everyday, so I think it is best to hold Beno for now and see what happens in the next few days.

Thanks

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 14:38

The Robinson vs. Cassell thing is tricky.

The four things that I really like about Cassell are:
- the infinite schedule
- he's under the radar
- his big game capability
- no competition for the job

The things that I don't like about him
- Injury potential
- Trade potential
- He's unhappy
- Those single point games

The things I like about Robinson
- Cheap
- Steady production with Marbury out

The things I don't like
- One game, then three days off
- If people notice him, which they will, he could be a sell on 2/2
- His coach
- Coming off the bench

Fortunately, I'll get to see how both do tonight. I'm keeping Calderon for tonight's game, so I can re-evaluate tomorrow.

Today's only move should be Baron to Kidd, which as I said before have a terrible feeling about but the math is showing it good.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 14:54

well im back to my original plan. gay stays for another day. moving to iverson then Kobe wasnt worth the extra trade (gains 30-45 depending on wen i go gay to kobe and likely loses money)

tomorrow i will go Calderon to a cheapie guard (3.49 with todays prices) to afford gay to Kobe which I plan to make tomorrow unless something goes wrong tonight then I can put off til next week without a huge loss.

So SU I will be making the same decision as you tomorrow. Going cheaper allows me to go Amare and Duncan into LBJ and Jamison which currently need a million but that is sure to increase. Selling wallace camby or carter could also provide money here as I am definitely going to be getting those 2

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 15:29

BW it msut be nice to not have to worry about going tradeless. i messed that up a few weeks ago. Should be able to get that fixed tho. If I go tradeless tomorrow I wont ahve any players that have to go next week and only 3 who cant be held thru the ASB

The Bandwagon@work
ID: 151118518
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 16:16

Yes it is nice, and like you, I have similiar plans through the ASB. While the banked trades are nice insurance, they aren't as valuable unless I can use them to gain an advantage. That may be hard to do from now until the ASB.

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 20:09

Alright, just sold Baron, he'd been on my team since 11/18.

I have a bad feeling about this.

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 08:39

That Cassell vs. Robinson decision didn't get any easier after last night.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 10:07

SU, I'm also looking for a cheapie guard as well because I want to get Kobe.

Calderon, Brad Miller (who's been absolutely great during his stay) > Kobe, cheap G

currently leaning towards Nate Robinson, what do you think SU? Also may I tosee out Thabo of the Bulls into the mix.

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 13:30

I think Robinson is a good option. Thabo has been good but it worries me how his role will change with Hinrich returning.

The only thing I don't like about Robinson right now is buying into the one game, and then the three days off. On the other hand, three days off is three days where he can't disappoint us, right?

Cassell vs. Robinson is going to keep me up late tonight I think.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 13:34

SU and Pica,

Personally Im leaning cassell over robinson. Till robinson has to be sold right before the ASB cassell has a game advantage over him. If you hold thru that which could be tough he never gains the game back. Also within a week of the ASB that game advcantage becomes 2 which it never becomes less than. Cassell's schedule is jsut ridiculous. he doesnt even have a 1 in 4 till april. If he is healthy and produces he could be held till the end of the year really. I mean can u really expect Robinson to outpoint cassell to make up for lost games?

I can also look at daniels as an option who doesnt lose games thru WAS sell date but cant be held quite as long. He seems to be more of an injur risk than cassell making me prefer cassell

Also PIca I dont think I would look at Thabo as i believe the only reason he is playing is because of injuries to Hinrich. Tho i guess hinrich was back last night but he didnt start and had foul trouble. also read deng and duhon are banged up but im not how serious those are and I doubt they provide long term playing time for thabo. he also has only had one game other tan his last 4 where he broke 20. id stay away

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 13:39

dpr, I agree with you, I'd definitely take Cassell over Daniels right now. Daniels is worrying me a lot, I'm pretty much assuming he's going to DNP at some point. I think he's a hold if you have him and a don't-buy if you don't.

Maybe that's how I should approach it. The earlier I buy Cassell, the less likely I'll be buying him right before he possibly gets traded. Then when /if Daniels goes down in the next couple games, I can slide him into Robinson after the three days off if need be.

Navarro is very tempting as well but there's a lot of risk around him. Gay, Miller, and Darko have all been out when he's had big games.

There's some new ambiguous news about Duhon up on rotoworld. He could be back very soon (or not).

Anyone else regret buying Kidd yesterday?

Dean Martin
ID: 2904350
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 14:19

**Intruder**

Thabo is indeed intriguing. He started his 4th straight game yesterday even though Hinrich was back. I was at the Bulls/Warriors game Friday and this kid can flat out play. When he was matched up on Baron he played some pretty good "D" late in the game. Boylan seems to like him and I believe he's turned the corner and will get more consistent minutes from here on out.
Duhon is officially listed as doubtful for the next game and may be having an MRI today to determine any structural damage.

As far as Cassell, agreed that schedule is golden, but let's not forget he's 38 and is very injury prone. In addition with the Clippers going nowhere this year there's a good possibilty he'll be traded which would offset any game advantage he has over Robinson.

jedman
Dude
ID: 315192219
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 15:05

**INTRUDER**

SU, You always regret buying Kidd! I regret buying Kidd now
that I know you did. I'm not joking, Kidd is my favorite fantasy
player, has always been good when I've had him except when
you have. You must have done something terrible to him that
you're not telling us about:)

I think he will be fine and having gotten him from Baron, losing
10 TSNP but gaining all the money, I have no buyers remorse, it
was the right move for my team based on the best available
knowledge and using all of Guru's projections. We just can't
predict the future.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 19:19

dpr, SU, I understand Cassell gains games over Robinson over the medium and long stretch, but is it realistic to expect Cassell to played in all the games during the stretch? The guy's about 57 years old and is prone to sudden DNPs. I havn't done any investigation but when was the last time he played so many straight games without missing any? The guy just worries me.

Gary D
ID: 3503650
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 20:52

Calderon-Mwilliams for me today... Will downgrade either gay or dunleavy to get enough $$ to do TD/ LBJ...

Think Cassell is a major risk at his age and with the trade rumors.Also clippers are worst scoring team in league.

on a side note....Josh Boone rocks.....

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 20:54

I hate Kidd. Never again.

I finally settled on Cassell, but now I'm tempted to trade Kidd for Kobe. Which would mean I'd need Robinson. I've had it.

What do you guys think?

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 21:28

Just got Nate, Kobe x3

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 19:16

What's the team's take on Wallace?

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 19:20

Pica, I was just going to ask the same thing. With a lower RV than most, I'm leaning towards selling, to either Kobe, Odom or Jamison (already have Butler). I can less afford the $$$ hit, and with the injry I suspect Wallace is at his peak dollar wise.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 19:35

well with no trades I'm holding

I had planned to sell him on the 27th to either Odom or Jamison and still would like to but will obviously move tomorrow if he is going to be out for the game. I can afford the price hits as the moves I have before the ASB (only 3) never ask me to fully utilize my RV

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 20:17

Mo Williams has broken my heart.

I didn't sell tonight in order to prevent any rash moves, but tomorrow he's more than likely gone as possibly my biggest mistake in the 11 seasons I've played this game.

I only have 620k for an upgrade and it has to be a guard. Originally he was my slot into Kobe, and I don't really see how that slot can be used any differently due to my lack of flex. Joe Johnson / Manu / Parker are probably the best candidates. I don't like Johnson's away vs. home stats, but meh. This is all very ugly. And to add insult to injury, it completely negates the advantage that taking Kidd over Kobe would have had.

This whole sequence starting about a month ago has been a complete disaster.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 21:35

Think I've decided on Gerald to Kobe. Schedule is solid for a long time, and it leaves another F spot available for later.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 21:59

This is great stuff, I have both Mo and Wallace to deal with. In hindsight it really makes getting rid of Brad Miller just a couple days ago an enormous mistake.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 09:11

I bailed on Gerald and got Jamison, even though my gut feeling says Gerald is going to play tonight. Gerald loss is not as severe as I thought, and I'd hold if I knew this. Oh well.

Moving on, I am planning Mo > Josh and Jrich > Odom sometime this trade week. I could switch this around and get Odom from Mo today instead. It's basically 6 Odom vs 5 Josh. Odom will probably gain a few bucks more from spillover Gerald and Melo sellers, but I think Josh will out-tsnp Odom given the Lakers next 2 games are @sas and @dal. Also Josh has the flex advantage.

What do you guys think?

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 12:33

Pica, my vote is for Josh Smith. Like you said, you can't put a price tag on the value of a G/F.

I moved Wallace to Jaminson yesterday. Given Wallace's track record, I don't think he'll play tonight. I beleive he had this calf issue last season, or the season before.

I'll probably deal with Beno after tonight's game. I have to say, I've been extremely pleased with his production since the sell-off.

I'm also considering Kidd to Odom on the 26th which would set up a good rotation in another slot later this week.

Anyone else thinking about moving Kidd tonight, or after his back to back?

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 15:32

I don't have a lot of time to plan tonight unfortunately, and I'm not really sure what to do.

Mo Williams is definitely gone, Kidd possibly is too.

A) Mo to Joe Johnson, hold Kidd until 1/30 when he becomes a midranger and Duncan becomes Howard. Then Joe will go to Kobe on 1/31

B) Same as A except with Ginobili

C) Mo and Kidd to Ginobili and Kobe now, and then after Ginobili's B2B quickly slide him into Nate Robinson to prepare for Duncan to Howard

D) Mo and Kidd for Kobe and Marvin Williams now, Duncan to Howard at the end of the week. Only thing here is that by locking in Marvin, I may not have enough money to move Cassell (or Daniels) back into Calderon in a couple weeks.

E) Mo and Kidd for Kobe and Robinson

I'm not thrilled with any option.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 15:32

I should note that due to flex, I'm locked out of Odom unless I choose him over Dwight, or sell Camby at the end of the week.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 15:40

if it helps personally i am choosing odom over Howard. And I dont see how its possible to fit in Camby howard and odom as Kaman Butler and likely Jamison are probably even higher regarded. Even Dirk looks good

dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 15:41

forgot to add james to the must have forwards

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 15:43

Kidd possibly is too.

Just do it, Senator :)))

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 16:27

Haha, I think I might, just to put my mind at ease. I won't have access for a few days, so this will at least make it easier on Blooki in theory.

Right now my forward/center slots consist of Lebron, Duncan, Jamison, Butler, Camby, and Kaman. Duncan has to go at the end of the week, and Howard is probably the guy. Depending on how Odom does over these next couple games, maybe moving Camby to Odom would be a good idea (+3 games and money swing for a trade). This would pretty much guarantee me being able to move Cassell or Daniels into Calderon when the time comes, if I go with my plan D (Kobe and Marvin today).

The news of Deng being out is intriguing though too - maybe I should go cheaper than Marvin and pick up Thabo? Who knows...

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 17:12

I'm thinking Kidd has to go tonight. No one else will be buying him all week, only selling. Many people will be buying Kobe all week, and no one selling.

The big question is what to do with Mo. Sadly it's looking like the best options are:

- Ginobili for the quick two, then into Crawford or Robinson
- Taking Crawford or Robinson now despite the two days off
- Locking in Marvin Williams forever (but do I want to lock him in?)
- Devin Harris, though I feel he's equivalent to Robinson, just with a better longterm schedule but almost three million more
- Gambling on Thabo (though I don't really even need a cheapie as things stand)

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 18:19

Ok, I'm limiting the from-Mo choices, but feel free to add more if you like any better:

A) Anthony Johnson
B) Marvin Williams

I may be thinking too "in the box" by locking in Kobe and not going for, say, Josh Smith. But I really want Kobe now.

Marvin and Johnson are both theoretically "hold forevers". But at the same time, do I really want either on my roster forever? If I get Johnson, I'll also be sitting on 7.6 million in a few days (but that quickly changes to 4.4, but still). Maybe that 4.4 will come in handy for injuries or when it comes time to sell the Washington guys. But at the same time, when I sell the Washington guys, I'll probably be looking at the other guy who I didn't get.

I'm really torn and I've just spent three hours on this that I don't have. Ugh.

Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 20:27

I think I'm just going to go with Kobe and Marvin from Kidd and Mo. It's time to start locking in some longterm holds - the fewer trades I make, the fewer mistakes. Sound good? I have a feeling Marvin is going to go off.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 21:13

well i had wallace sold and then with news he was in the lineup I undid the trade right before gametime. thats not looking to be a good move. Think if I undid the move at 7:02 I can concince TSN I shouldnt have been able to make the move thereby negating the undo?

dpr
ID: 1733917
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 21:20

well nevermind. RSF calculator just isnt working tonight. all the totals are way to low. i responded wen i thought he had 14 in the 4th.

reebbertxx
Leader
ID: 561124720
Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 21:26

76, yahoo box scores only going to halftime as well. Must be a stat feed thing.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 13:13

Guys, thinking of moving Kidd to Josh Smith today. Possibly lateral, but I think the Kidd bleeding will start tonight. I want to hold Amare as well, but tonight may be his last game with my squad, as I'll likely move him to Jamison tomorrow to free up cash for Duncan to LBJ on 1/30. Considering moving JRich to Josh Howard after the Bobcats back to back, hopefully Howard is out of gravity in 2 days. Anyway, the rest of my lineup can be held for a while. Am I out of line looking to move Kidd and Amare early?

dpr
ID: 1733917
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 13:21

yea Im contemplating the Kidd move as well. With wallace hard fall my window for upcoming moves is questionable so a move out of Kidd secures it. It doesnt project to gain any points unless Kidd keeps up his poor production but should gain good money and I would want Smith for his dense schedule right after the ASB anyways, tho the WAS guys could make nice transitions tho at a much steeper price.

I also am debating when i want to move Amare as his schedule matches the guys I want to move him for (odom, Jamison) right up to his sell date so its a tradedoff of Amare higher production versus the money gains by moving early.

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 13:35

I think I'm doing the Kidd to Josh also. I was wrestling with the idea that the move was lateral (and it is one for one), but it free's up enough $$ where I can do a good rotation from another slot that I wouldn't be able to do if I keep Kidd.

I'm keeping Amare until the end.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 15:35

My RV is well below the level of the Bandwagon and dpr, so I'll likely move Amare tonight, and risk the potential loss of TSNP versus Jamison. I was $60K short of a potential group of moves, so I'm feeling the pain of a lower roster value, and Amare is now bleeding with no set sell date for a week. The crazy thing is I picked up Josh Smith early, figuring I could hold him for over a month, then reluctantly traded him to Kidd, not wanting to miss out on JK's nice schedule and ongoing triple doubles. OH well.

Gary D
ID: 3503650
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 00:00

Cant we run the standings according to last5tnp just for one day,for me to see my name up top..Well im just " kidd"ing around,as im happy to be rewarded by jkidd for holding.
Really just didnt want to be tradeless on a friday. Will be downgrading gay tmrw, to be able to go duncan/LBJ after refresh..

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 08:03

Kidd/Amare to Jsmith/Jamison cost me about 7 TSNP but netted me $500K. A decent result I suppose.

Soulman
Donor
ID: 016105313
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 08:13

And 500k isn't even the end result, further swings to come today and the following days.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 10:43

I'm not enjoying these daily Amare bleeding one bit and I am considering dumping him early.

Amare > Odom today
Jrich > LBJ tomorrow

the current window stands at 420k, which I think should be fairly safe given JRich plays today and LBJ is entering a 1 in 4.

What do you guys think?

Amare > Odom is lateral but I suspect Amare will lose about 500k cumulatively from today and Wednesday.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 11:49

yea I am unsure what to do with Amare now. My plan was to move him to odom but odoms production hasnt remained as high as right after Bynum went down making me a bit leary. Still his schedule is great. If i knew I wanted odom I would move today.

At current prices I would have 8.61 to choose a replacement. With another day of gerald losses, another day of jamison gains, and a few more days of duncan losses and james games I cant really approach that too much. Deron Williams is an interesting option at 8.32 but I cant see that window holding as Duncans losses themselves could match that. TO be safe i likely need a player under 8. Williams would have been nice as he transitions nicely into calderon which I dont durrently have other than moving out of one of my cheapie guards or getting in a week late from WAS.

You guys like Odom? or is there another alternative less than 8?

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 12:13

well I moved Amare to Jamison and will figure out alter what to do with Wallace altho he has to be moved before I can go into James. unless my .05 window holds but that isnt possible.

Unless u guys think maggette is a good alternative to Odom in which case I should get him today. wat you guys think?

Yehosh
Donor
ID: 181082023
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 16:02

INTRUDER

DPR, I don't like Odom as you can see from my roster. I also think he is injury prone and will not last his schedule. He has never been a 40/g guy, check his career stats. I don't see any reason why he should be a 40/g now, even with Bynum gone.

Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sat, Jan 26, 2008, 20:40

With the Kaman news I'm going to hold Amare for another game at least, just to be on the safe side.

dpr
ID: 1733917
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 12:43

well im selling Kaman. Moved him to LBJ and will move back into kaman from TD. IF kaman doesnt miss anymore then I used a trade to get an LBJ game over kaman plus significant money which isnt great but not awful. IF kaman misses this game or more then it should work out well. Unfortunately if kaman isnt healthy I wont have enough money to go to Howard from TD and will need a center so will likely go with Miller.

I sold wallace today and picked up randolph who I like for his recent high production and nice transition into Calderon in two weeks. Do you guys like crawford more? he is 2 million less and will make more money but likely get fewer points.Should Kaman also be out he would provide me the money to go to Howard

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 14:43

Hey guys, I've been gone for the past few days so I'm kind of out of the loop. I see that Kaman missed last night's game and is day to day.

The three main replacements standing out upon first glance are Josh Smith, Odom, and Deron.

A) Smith - I think I like him the most, but the problem is that at current prices I'd be 410k short of Duncan to Howard. And not getting Dwight could be costly.

B) Odom - He's got the schedule and the right price, but he's all over the place and lately has stunk.

C) Deron - He's been doing pretty well lately, but realistically is only a 5 game hold.

The problem with any replacement is "how do I get back in to Kaman?" With Duncan going to Howard (or someone else if I get Smith), I'd only have Camby as a means for re-entry. And their schedules don't really match at all. Camby is also playing so well right now and doesn't seem to be very highly owned - I wouldn't mind keeping him for a long time.

What do you guys think?

qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 14:55

*intruder...i think most will turn to duncan as a path back into kaman...skipping out on howard, which might be a bad idea judging by his performance so far today.

i find it too hard to fit LBJ, Kobe and Howard's high price tags...so i'll suffer without dwight for 4 games.

also...i would consider deron a 9 game hold, not 5.

Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 15:04

I think Deron could get sold off after the 5 in 7, and then again for the Duncan re-entry date.

I guess one option is to do what you said and take Smith, and move Duncan back into Kaman and skip Dwight. But Dwight feels like a must, and do we even know Kaman is going to be available on Wednesday? What if he's a gametime decision still (and what if gamechannel doesn't have it for that game)?

Another option is to take Deron and move Duncan to Howard as originally planned. Then when it's clear that Kaman is back, move Deron back into him. Basically just use Deron as a band-aid.

My original plan had me possibly moving Camby to Odom after Denver's back to back, but right now that feels crazy with Camby's high performance and Odom's sucking.

tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 15:09

Was going to move Duncan to Lebron 1/30, and move JRich to Josh Howard today. Considering Kaman/JRich to LBJ/Brad Miller. Then I'll get Kaman back from Duncan 1/30 if he's OK. Will leave me tradeless today though

The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 16:28

Wow how quickly plans change. I had it all set last night, and today I picked up two totally different players than I had planned, and sold one I didn't have planned. I got rid of Gay and Kaman, and kept JRich for atleast another game.

I finally said goodbye to Gay. I've had him from day one this season, and I really hated to let him go.

I vote C SU.

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Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 17:00

I think I'm going to go with Deron, he seems to provide the most flexibility. Smith is the guy I want though, but he can come later and I want Howard on Wednesday. Unless something magically comes out about Dwight being suspended, I think I have to go Deron.

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Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sun, Jan 27, 2008, 20:42

I was so concentrated on figuring out what to do with Kaman last night I totally forgot about the 2nd leg of the trade in post87. Then when I woke up the game's already over. Of course LBJ did not disappoint those that just got him.

Arrrr.. it seems these Sunday afternoon games always get me a couple times every season. I did, moved Kaman to Brad Miller.

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Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Mon, Jan 28, 2008, 10:55

I should have enough cash to go JRich > LBJ tomorrow and TD > Howard on Wednesday should Kaman were still unavailable then. The trick is Orlando plays much earlier than the Clippers so if Kaman is still a GTD then I can't wait for the starting lineup to pull the trigger.

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Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 15:41

So...Camby and Kaman are both iffy for tomorrow. Best bet would probably be to hold Camby tonight, and then if he's out of the lineup move him to Kaman no matter what?

If we knew right now that both would be out tomorrow it would be fun gambling on Al Jefferson for two games, but I don't think that's a realistic option.

All of the other center options tonight (and tomorrow, besides Dwight who I'd be getting from Duncan) are essentially poop, so I should probably stand pat and hope at least one of them plays tomorrow. I just hope the price hits aren't too bad.

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qwert
Donor
ID: 2910242819
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 15:48

*intruder*

what about brad miller? unless i hear kaman is playing for sure, i will probably get miller and get kaman later on.

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tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 18:47

Senator - Barring any further news on Kaman suggesting there could be a prolonged absence, I am considering moving Duncan to Kaman tomorrow "no matter what" as well. At this point, I am uncertain moving Camby is a good use of a trade, but if prolonged injury is a concern Brad Miller has been averaging 40 TSNP over the last month and has a decent schedule upcoming (save of one 3 day hole next week) I will add that I picked up Miller a couple of days ago so mine may not be a totally unbiased opinion.

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Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 19:25

Well Butler now throws a wrench into things. I sold him with the news he's probably out tomorrow also. The logical replacement is Josh Smith, but then getting back into Butler on Friday will be impossible. I could possibly get in from Deron for Sunday's game. These injuries are ridiculous. It's gotten to the point where they don't even upset me anymore, it's just to be expected. You guys agree with Smith?

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C. Bird
ID: 5510211919
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 19:29

SU, what about Odom or Randolph? If Butler plays on Friday you get a 8 to 5 game advantage with Zach and he transitions nicely back into Butler. Odom is a longer term hold. Also they are about $2M cheaper if you needed the money. I don't know which one of the three to get.

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Dean Martin
Donor
ID: 489552616
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 19:41

*intruder*

105 - SU, Sportsnetwork now has Camby listed as probable for tomorrow.

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Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 19:42

It's tough, all three are very inconsistent, but I like the idea of holding Josh forever. Like the Kaman situation, it's hard to plan re-entry into a player when we don't know for sure when they're coming back.

Randolph is a Knick so he has that against him, and Odom has been miserable lately. And with the trade deadline coming up, who knows if they ship him out if they (foolishly) try to acquire Kidd. I like Smith's big game potential, but he's thrown up some bad ones himself.

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Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 19:57

Hmm, maybe they answer is in the averages. Smith's are ridiculous compared to the other two. The only problem I see in Smith is those two days off (2/10 and 2/11) where he could be sold and then picked back up again from another spot. And of course Odom plays both of those days. But Odom has a tendency to disappear.

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C. Bird
ID: 5510211919
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 19:59

FWIW I went with Smith...based on the averages.

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Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 19:59

With Camby probable, do I gamble and move Butler to Kaman? See if I can get a DNP trifecta going on.

Nah.

I'll probably have to pass on Kaman for tomorrow, and then force him from either Deron or Camby.

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dpr
ID: 1733917
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 20:43

well I was annoyed I missed the freeze and couldnt sell butler then i realized I didnt have trades anyways.

Tomorrow i gunna mean alot of planning as DUncan and Butler will likely ahve to go and I will need to consider entries into Calderon, Dirk, Butler, TD and Kaman as factors. Its gunna be tough

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Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 20:45

I woke up 5 minutes after the Wizards game started so there was nothing I can do. Now that I had some time to think about things I am leaning towards holding at this moment.

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The Bandwagon@work
ID: 151118518
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 21:52

I had to come in early for work, so I did my trades around noon today. I went JRich/Iverson to Kobe/Calderon. After the Butler news, I un-did the Iverson to Calderon trade and sold Butler instead of Iverson.

Messing with fantasy hoops vs working is going to get me fired one of these days :)

What ever happened to that thread "You know you're addicted to fantasy sports when" (See above) LOL

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Senator Urine
ID: 141130310
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 05:51

Well, I bet you can guess which of the three options I took from Butler last night. Ugh.

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The Bandwagon
Sustainer
ID: 479521116
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 09:28

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tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 10:35

My original plans for the week included moving Duncan to Kaman, and Gay to ???. I think I'll now move Butler to Deron today and make the Duncan move if Kaman plays tonight. Even through a slow schedule, at the rate players are getting hurt, I'm thinking of holding Gay through his 2 in 8 to keep 2 trades available. Any thoughts.

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The Bandwagon@work
ID: 151118518
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 17:38

I think holding Gay and saving 2 trades is a great idea. Gay is cheap enough, and produces more than his price tag, plus his schedule heats up again on 2/12.

I have Calderon, and I plan to hold him through his 1 in 6 without any hesitation.

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tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 17:45

Thanks BW, I agree and will likely hold Gay. Seeing the latest Kaman news, I'm inclined to just hold Duncan, and take the price hit. I can move Duncan on Friday to either Kaman or Butler, whoever seems healthier. There really isn't anyone else I want and I don't want to spend 2 trades to save $200K by trading Duncan today. As discussed earlier, I could save the $$ and move to Kaman regardless, but it's not enough of a price swing to give up the points.

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dpr
ID: 1733917
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 01:30

To be honest I'm kinda stuck. I kept TD last night thinking he was my only way into Kaman when I want to go that route. With Miller and Camby however I can't fit kaman unless I move one. With Camby injury questions and recent poor production I figured a move to Dirk tomorrow and then moving TD to Kaman assuming he is healthy would be a good move. However now that Camby is again impressing me with his scores I wondering if selling a player that really can be held is a good idea when I have been trade strapped? With the plan to move Camby I would be down to one trade friday with my last trade not needing to be used. If I'm aggressive a move of Randolph into JHoward, TD or Butler at the end of the week and moving either Cassell or Carter into Calderon. IF i wanna be conservative I could hold randolph and move to calderon from there.

Now if i dont move Camby I have pretty much barred myself from being able to get Kaman because of the way their schedules match up, which could hurt as a productive Kaman at 7M with that schedule could be tough to have no possible entry into. Also this leaves me with the dilemma of where to go from Duncan as I don't really like any of the option. Howard doesnt really work because he bars me from getting Dirk and Calderon (from randolph and cheap guard x). Butler if he looks healthy or Odom would be the best options here I guess (or hold). Randolph would then have to Dirk and cheapie to calderon.

So those are my thoughts of confusion. What do you guys think? Some questions to simplify...

Is it real bad to leave myself with no in to kaman meaning I should move Camby now when he has a small blip in his schedule? Are there any guards or forwards that look good out of Duncan? Also if Kaman isnt ready to go from Duncan with the plan moving Camby I leave myself in trouble as I would need a center from him.

well i gues the question is just do I move Camby? Im leaning yes

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