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Subject: RIHC 2008-09: Getting started


  Posted by: Guru - [330592710] Wed, Sep 17, 2008, 16:15

It’s time to begin organizing the RIHC leagues.

The RIHC managers have all been invited and have accepted (subject to one potential issue). My guidelines for succession were to give initial priority to the top 4 RIHC teams (excluding me), the teams finishing 1-2 in each AAA league, the winner of each AA league (2), and me. Those total 10 teams. Next in line would be the third place teams in the two AAA leagues. Since one league had a tie for third, this left 3 potential managers for two spots. As means to break the tie, I first considered GuruPatron status. Since two of the three were GuruPatrons, I invited them, and the other team is the first “bubble” team.

So, here is the list of the 12 RIHC managers for 2008-09:
Top 5 RIHC: Mike D, Guru, Footwedge, Species, S_R
Top 2 AAA1: EuroGollam, Florian
Top 3 AAA2: Pacers Rule, xpdurmind, deejay (tie), weykool (tie)
AA Winner: KnicksFan

first alternate: 3rd place AAA1 (Holt)

The caveat is that xpdurmind may have a work conflict that precludes him for participating. He has promised to let me know by September 28th. If he cannot participate, Holt will be offered that spot.

I expect the draft to take place during the second half of October. For the RIHC, the draft should not require more than about 8 days, so a starting date of October 15 should work out well. Prior to that, we need to consider whether any rules changes are warranted, and also go through the process of selecting our draft order.

I will open up a thread for qualifying leagues in a moment. After that, we can begin discussing potential rules changes in this thread.
 
1Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Sep 17, 2008, 16:29
Here are the basics (copied from last year):

Roster Positions (12/3/2): PG, SG, G, G, PF, SF, F, F, C, C, Util, Util, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL
Stat Categories (8): FG%, FT%, 3PTM, PTS, REB, AST, ST, BLK
Max games per position: 84
Roster moves: Daily

I figured it would be good to recap the rules regarding the injury slots:
Three bench slots are available to hold any player. Two additional bench slots will be enabled, but are restricted as “injury slots”, hereafter abbreviated as “IS”.

An NBA player shall be eligible to fill an IS if he is listed in any “informed” source as being injured more seriously than “day-to-day”. Examples of acceptable information sources include (but are not limited to):
RotoWire
RotoWorld
RotoTimes
ESPN
NBA.com
Newspaper stories (citing facts, not speculation).

Once a player appears in an NBA game, he is no longer eligible to fill an IS, even if a published source fails to remove his listing. When a player is no longer IS eligible, the team shall have a limited amount of time to remove that player from the IS, as defined below.

If a manager wishes to move a player into an IS but cannot find a confirming source, he may request that the Commissioner approve the designation. The Commissioner shall use his best judgment in making such a determination.

If any manager believes that another team has improperly moved a player into an IS, he may file a protest with the Commissioner. If any manager disagrees with a Commissioner ruling, he may request a league vote. Six votes shall be required to overturn any Commissioner ruling related to an IS.

Each Wednesday, the Commissioner shall review all rosters to assure that any filled injury slots are appropriate. In the event that an IS is improperly filled, the Commissioner will notify the manager of the violation via the email link at the Yahoo site. The notified manager will have 48 hours to correct the roster or to provide a satisfactory explanation. If a breach remains uncorrected 48 hours after notice, the Commissioner shall have the authority to drop a bench player in order to bring the roster into conformance. The player dropped will be based upon the Commissioner’s judgment as to the best interests of the impacted team.

The Commissioner shall have the latitude to extend the time for curing a breach if he knows that the manager is unreachable and/or unavailable to make the adjustment.

No player which is in an IS slot may be placed in a starting slot on any day unless the bench has been cleared of that injury slot, or unless another player is eligible to replace that player in the vacated IS. In the event of a violation, the Commissioner may elect to void any stats generated by improperly activated player.

As before, no player may be picked up as a free agent and immediately placed in an IS. Free agent additions are only IS eligible 10 days after pickup, unless the player has appeared in an NBA game after the pickup and the IS eligibility occurred thereafter.
 
2Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Thu, Sep 18, 2008, 19:16
I am so ready for this.

Mike D - Get ready for the ass whoopin' of your life. Who cares about RIHC? As long as we beat the crap outta Mike D, my job here will be done.

It's soooo good to be back ;)

Guru - I'm still totally up for writing a weekly RIHC recap if you think it's worth the effort...
 
3Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Thu, Sep 18, 2008, 21:28
Oh good, I see I'm not the only one with unbridled enthusiasm!

Swish I would love to just be in the running at the end. I've won AA and AAA but never the big show. Never come close in fact. Playing with this group is a true test.

Toward the rules end of things - love the DL/IL/IS situation. Not always black and white but the spirit of it is tremendous.

I Didn't see anything specifically on trade handling reposted above - but I'm assuming we'd be going with the same as before - commish review - 24 hours to issue protests on accepted trades - if 3 received - 48 hours for voting which requires six votes to overturn the trade within that 48 hours....was that the language?

Anyway, my hope is that the spirit of trade opportunity/encouragement of active managing will prevail against the spirit of trade opposition - and only in the most obvious of situations would trades be rejected or conceivably overturned. With your track record, Guru, it's hard to imagine you approving a trade which you didn't believe each manager legitimately believed bettered his team or outlook immediately or in the future - and if that was the case, it's hard for me to understand a rationale to overturn such a trade.

One other inevitable issue is all the DNP's of studs at the end of the season when no playoff seedings are on the line - that seem so random and such a poor basis to differentiate a final winner or loser if it comes down to the final night, which in some leagues recently it has. One possible fix to that would be to end our fantasy season 2 weeks earlier than the regular season and also reduce the games played allowed at each position accordingly. That would effectively take the random DNP whammy for playoff seeding/stud rest reasons out of the final equation and possibly provide a truer/fairer test. Just an idea - if perhaps a bit out of the box.

I love also that drafted players on IL get to move immediately to IL and replacements can be claimed from the waiver wire or FA pool immediately. It seems to encourage a little more risk taking on the injured players and improves their draft position - though it does thin the FA pool by a few players as the season begins. I guess this just adds an additional strategic layer to the drafting of injured players.

Ok, enough from me.....though on second thought to control the excessive typists such as myself we may want to impose a posting limit....
 
4Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Thu, Sep 18, 2008, 21:56
Oh yeah - one more quick thought I forgot. Any thoughts on possibly using ESPN as our host site this year instead of Yahoo? From what I can tell they have free customizable private roto leagues this year and also free live scoring - whereas I believe Yahoo charges like $10 per person. If we'd convert that to Guru donations, there's a quick $100.
 
5Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Thu, Sep 18, 2008, 22:47
I second the motion for posting limits.....on PR of course. ;)

Don't sweat the trades; there aren't many in this league, and when there are, the GMs have a pretty good handle on things (lol). Already have to log in (and often forget) to NBA.com for G20, and that's a royal pain in the arse. My 2 cents.

Swish, I'm washing the target off my back right now. And there are more than 2 teams in this league.....LAST TIME I CHECKED!

LMAO!
 
6Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Sep 18, 2008, 23:03
Has anyone used ESPN for hosting fantasy sports leagues lately? The last few times I did (and it has been several years), the experience was not good. (Site down, botched processing, etc.)
 
7deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Fri, Sep 19, 2008, 07:27
4/6

Yahoo costs 10 dollar?
That would be new.
Or you mean the Live Scoring part, PR?

On ESPN: no experience here.

 
8deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Fri, Sep 19, 2008, 07:29
Btw I am looking forward on getting my ass kicked in this tough league, lol.
 
9E'ville
      ID: 154442214
      Fri, Sep 19, 2008, 08:29
Great to be back. Ready for the season to start.

On ESPN I have a few football teams. First time in years I've tried them but it really seems smooth and stable. I'm not commishing those so I don't know how that end is working but the live scoring is nice and I haven't heard any complaints. It appears at least for mock drafts it's run on the same engine as football. (Yes, I've already done a few mock drafts on the hoops side - the auction version is due up soon which could be interesting, it worked well in football)
 
10weykool
      ID: 2842717
      Fri, Sep 19, 2008, 15:39
I prefer Yahoo.
The $10 if for live scoring and if you have 4 teams it comes out to $2.50 per team.
All of the leagues records are already archived there....seems to be working just fine.
 
11Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Fri, Sep 19, 2008, 18:52
#7 Yep, for live scoring - I believe the game itself is still free.

No personal experience with ESPN fantasy games.
 
12Florian
      ID: 272433110
      Mon, Sep 22, 2008, 11:55
I'm really looking forward to the RIHC as well.

I'd prefer to keep the format as it has been in the past rather than reduce the number of games played as suggested in post 3.

My vote would be to use Yahoo. I've never used the ESPN website for a fantasy game, but Yahoo has worked well in the past. Live scoring isn't a feature that I feel I need.
 
13KnicksFan
      Sustainer
      ID: 030815418
      Tue, Sep 23, 2008, 10:55
Hey guys, it's great to be back in the big leagues! I think we should stick with Yahoo, which always runs smoothly.
 
14Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Tue, Sep 23, 2008, 22:35
Another GM to trade in multiple leagues with. Always a bonus.
 
15Florian
      ID: 272433110
      Wed, Sep 24, 2008, 10:20
I know the draft won't start until October 15th, but could we start determining the draft order. Knowing whether I'm picking in the top few picks or not until the end of the 1st round would be useful for scouting which players I'm likely going to draft in the first 3-4 rounds.
 
16Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Sep 24, 2008, 10:34
We need to wait until at least Sept 28th, as that is the date xpdurmind owes me a final answer as to whether he can participate this year.

Although I understand the appeal of free live scoring, I also have a preference to remain at Yahoo, since my programs that produce the split stats (by date or per-game) are already written and tested to work with the Yahoo system. It's possible that I could do the same with ESPN, although that would create a fair amount of new effort that seems unnecessary.
 
17Florian
      ID: 272433110
      Wed, Sep 24, 2008, 12:07
I guess it makes sense to wait until all the participants are figured out before determining the draft order. Obviously I made a silly request. I'll try to pay more attention in the future.
 
18Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Wed, Sep 24, 2008, 12:56
Yahoo is just fine for me. I would rather not move platform unless there is a compelling reason to do so.
 
19Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Sep 24, 2008, 14:09
Species remains in the hizzle for this season! Yeahhhhhh boyyyyyyyyyy! I'm looking forward to duking it out with our returning European bretheren (Gollum, Florian).

Yahoo is fine with me personally. No real compelling reason to switch to ESPN.
 
20Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Sep 24, 2008, 17:04
I may be slow, but I'm detecting a slight preference for yahoo amongst the brethren. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Come to think of it, that could go for some of my other proposals :-)

I guess I can lose by one set of rules as easily as another....er....I mean lose to everyone but XP, that is. I wondered if he'd try the 'work' excuse this year ;-)
 
21weykool
      ID: 2842717
      Thu, Sep 25, 2008, 14:24
Speaking of Yahoo...Hoops is now up.
 
22Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Sep 27, 2008, 11:01
xpdurmind has informed me that he cannot participate this year, so I have offered the open spot to holt.
 
23holt
      ID: 29862517
      Sat, Sep 27, 2008, 16:13
I'm in - thanks.
 
24Florian
      ID: 272433110
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 09:11
I think we now have everyone signed up. Can we work on getting the draft order established? I keep having dreams of having one of the top couple of picks. It's not really healthy to keep trying to figure out who I'd pick at number 1 if I don't have a pick anywhere near there.
 
25Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 12:19
OK. The process is this:
1. I start with a list of the 12 managers, sorted alphabetically by forum handle.
2. I accept two independent sets of the integers from 1-12, each in "random order", from two different RIHC managers.
3. The first list received is used to resequence the alphabetical list, and the second is used to assign selection order for the draft2.
4. We then have a one round selection process to choose our draft order.

For purposes of this process, I'll use the handle "EuroGollam" for Swish and Edgar.
 
26Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 12:40
Florian, in the event you do get the #1 slot, let me recommend Rueben Boumtje-Boumtje as your pick. He's always done a stellar job on any team i've ever owned him on.

RBB...RBB...RBB ;)

Guru, would you like the numbers emailed to you, or posted here? And speell our name right will ya? :P
 
27Florian
      ID: 272433110
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 12:56
Eurogollum, Thank you for the advice. I sure hope my first round pick comes before yours, otherwise you'll draft Rueben before I'm able to secure him for my team.
 
28Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 12:58
Email.

How should it be speeled?
 
29Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 12:59
Oh, "um", I see now.
 
30Florian
      ID: 272433110
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 14:39
I sent an email with a random set of numbers at about 1pm. Don't know if anyone else has emailed Guru any numbers.
 
31deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 14:49
Just sent one...
 
32Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 15:00
The first set arrived from Species: 7 11 1 10 9 6 12 2 4 8 3 5

The next set arrived from Florian, but it was not usable. It had four 3s, two 7s, and two 12s.

Then deejay sent this set: 7 4 12 3 8 1 9 2 10 11 5 6

The resulting draft selection order is:

1 Holt
2 s R
3 Pacers Rule
4 Mike D
5 EuroGollum
6 KnicksFan
7 Florian
8 Weykool
9 deejay
10 Guru
11 Footwedge
12 Species

We can start the selection process immediately. No clock.


 
33Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 15:33
Gee. Great.
 
34deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 16:04
Blame it on Florian, Species :)
 
35weykool
      ID: 2842717
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 16:14
Isnt there a rule where the last guy to join is not allowed to have the first pick?
 
36Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 16:35
lol......no doubt, deejay. Maybe he was using an old German/Austrian morse code. I say we decode it and run it again!
 
37deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 17:01
for sure wasnt Spanish or Flemish. :)
 
38Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 17:10
I know! Guru! s R should be AFTER 'Species' in the initial alphabetization!! Easy mistake to make. Please fix it and put me 2nd :)
 
39Florian
      ID: 538292916
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 17:38
Sorry about the strange set of numbers. I just went to an online random number generator and thought I'd generated a random sorting of the numbers 1-12. I didn't actually review the numbers before I emailed them to Guru.
 
40holt
      ID: 29862517
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 19:01
1 Holt
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12

2 s R
3 Pacers Rule
4 Mike D
5 EuroGollum
6 KnicksFan
7 Florian
8 Weykool
9 deejay
10 Guru
11 Footwedge
12 Species
 
41s R
      ID: 54048267
      Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 02:29
1 Holt
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12 s R

3 Pacers Rule
4 Mike D
5 EuroGollum
6 KnicksFan
7 Florian
8 Weykool
9 deejay
10 Guru
11 Footwedge
12 Species
 
42Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 10:03
Picking for Pacers Rule per email instructions:

1 Holt
2 Pacers Rule
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12 s R


4 Mike D
5 EuroGollum
6 KnicksFan
7 Florian
8 Weykool
9 deejay
10 Guru
11 Footwedge
12 Species
 
43Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 07:03
I'm here, still trying to decide.
 
44weykool
      ID: 45821208
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 09:18
I'm here, still trying to decide.
May I suggest using Florian's random number generator?
 
45deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 11:56
Tough decision it seems.
 
46Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 12:15
While waiting, I looked back at the results for first 5 RIHC seasons. Here is the draft order for the eventual winner each season:

2007-08: 8th (Mike D)
2006-07: 8th (Guru)
2005-06: 7th (Mike D)
2004-05: 9th (Euro)
2003-04: 3rd (Dave R)

Meanwhile, the team with the top pick has finished in 12th, 11th, 10th, 7th, and 9th.

So much for the value of drafting first!

 
47Florian
      ID: 272433110
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 12:23
Based on Guru's analysis I guess I should be happy I didn't end up with the first pick. And I have to make sure I draft somewhere between seventh and ninth.

Mike D May I suggest the eighth pick based on Guru's excellent analysis of previous years.
 
48Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 12:39
As an aside, I've been considering shifting the Invitational Leagues to a "modified snake" format.

In this format, the first two rounds would snake back and forth as usual. However, the third round would mimic the second round, and the fourth round would mimic the first. This 4-round pattern would then continue throughout the draft. Expressed another way, here is the pattern:

Round 1: 1-12
Round 2: 12-1
Round 3: 12-1
Round 4: 1-12
...

This would mean that the team getting the top pick would also have the 24th pick, the 36th, and the 37th. It is a way to try to neutralize the advantage of getting one of the top picks.

Of course, I've seen no evidence in any of the Invitational leagues (in any sport) that drafting near the beginning of the first round has any inherent advantage. So this may be a solution for a non-problem.

In any event, I have not proposed this yet because the kafenatid.net software doesn't support it (or at least not without a lot of artificial trading of draft picks). However, this is likely to be an option next year, and if it is, I'll probably propose it for baseball.

Food for thought.
 
49Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 12:55
Guru's historical post is what is driving me nuts. I had already gone and looked back. I'll have the decision in a couple hours. I need to climb the mountain and meditate.
 
50weykool
      ID: 2842717
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 18:24
Think long....think wrong.
 
51Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 19:35
At least we know you're not obsessive.
 
52Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 20:04
#48
This modified snake does seem, on its face, infinitely more fair- except of course for round 15. ;-) Seem may be the key word as you mentioned based on your sample. Still, I'm jazzed about the #2 pick since looking back on my last four years of RIHC and QLs I believe I've picked #8, #11, #11, and finally last year I shot up to #6. Come to think of it, however, my two (QL) wins came from the drafts with picks 8 and 6. Hmmmm. Is it too late to switch to #6?!! Just trying to help a brother out, Mike D.
 
53Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 21:31
Sorry for the delay. I was going back, forth, and back again about a few things. Which makes it look kinda silly that I'm taking pick 3 after all this. But I can handle the ridicule as long as I still get to pick third.


1 Holt
2 Pacers Rule
3 Mike D
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12 s R



5 EuroGollum
6 KnicksFan
7 Florian
8 Weykool
9 deejay
10 Guru
11 Footwedge
12 Species
 
54holt
      ID: 29862517
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 22:25
Has there ever been a snake vs modified snake test done where a league drafts players based on a completed season? What I mean is, doing a snake draft of 2007 players, then a modified snake. Just have each team draft one player for each position, then add the 2007 stats and see where each draft position finishes. This would allow you to judge draft positions based on league results while eliminating other factors such as the drafters only guessing at player values, roster moves, strategic starting/benching, etc.

How difficult would it be to set up a draft program to run a test like that? Such a program could apply it to different sports/seasons and have a large sample to look at.

One thing that makes me wonder about the modified snake draft is that it is based on the idea that the top 3 players or so are a great deal more talented than the other first rounders. Is it still more fair than a normal snake when the top few players aren't much better than the rest of the 1st rounders (does that ever happen)? I have no idea. Just some questions that come to mind.
 
55weykool
      ID: 4694122
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 23:10
But I can handle the ridicule as long as I still get to pick third.

And that is why I advised you in post #44 to use Florian's RNG....with four 3's your odds of getting the pick you ended up with would have been almost assured.
 
56holt
      ID: 29862517
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 23:29
LOL
 
57Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Thu, Oct 02, 2008, 00:59
weykool, it was so compelling of a suggestion that I just had to go for it.
 
58Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Thu, Oct 02, 2008, 04:56
I'll need some thinking time as well. Now the top 3 slots are gone, it's really tough to decide where to pick.
 
59Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Thu, Oct 02, 2008, 11:17
After much deliberating, i can't see an overwhelmingly compelling reason to not take #4. So, i'll be boring, and do exactly that. Next...

1 Holt
2 Pacers Rule
3 Mike D
4 EuroGollum
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12 s R



6 KnicksFan
7 Florian
8 Weykool
9 deejay
10 Guru
11 Footwedge
12 Species

 
60KnicksFan
      ID: 188563018
      Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 00:52
1 Holt
2 Pacers Rule
3 Mike D
4 EuroGollum
5 KnicksFan
6
7
8
9
10
11
12 s R


7 Florian
8 Weykool
9 deejay
10 Guru
11 Footwedge
12 Species
 
61Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 09:40
Per email instructions from Florian and weykool:

1 Holt
2 Pacers Rule
3 Mike D
4 EuroGollum
5 KnicksFan
6 Florian
7 weykool

8
9
10
11
12 s R


9 deejay
10 Guru
11 Footwedge
12 Species
 
62deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 09:56
Here, will pick soon
 
63deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 10:06
1 Holt
2 Pacers Rule
3 Mike D
4 EuroGollum
5 KnicksFan
6 Florian
7 weykool
8 deejay
9
10
11
12 s R


10 Guru
11 Footwedge
12 Species
 
64Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 10:34
1 Holt
2 Pacers Rule
3 Mike D
4 EuroGollum
5 KnicksFan
6 Florian
7 weykool
8 deejay
9 Guru
10
11
12 s R


11 Footwedge
12 Species
 
65E'ville
      ID: 154442214
      Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 11:02
1 Holt
2 Pacers Rule
3 Mike D
4 EuroGollum
5 KnicksFan
6 Florian
7 weykool
8 deejay
9 Guru
10 Footwedge
11 Species
12 s R
 
66Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 12:09
I'm planning to start the draft on October 15th. Based on past performance, I'd expect us to finish on Oct. 23rd.

Does that time frame work for everyone? The season begins on Oct 28, which provides ample leeway.
 
67Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 12:10
Yes....although of course my annual college football homecoming guy's weekend of golf/poker/football/etc is the weekend of the 18th. Doh!
 
68Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 12:14
It encourages me to know that some of those weekend picks will likely be made while you're drunk and on tilt.

 
69deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 12:22
That works for me.
Friday/Saturday nights(Europe) are the nights Im not around that much, but Ive always managed in the past.
 
70Florian
      ID: 272433110
      Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 17:08
Starting draft on Oct.15th works for me as well.

While I prefer the current snake draft, the modified snake draft does have some appeal. If we were using a modified snake draft, I would have likely chosen to pick 7th or 8th rather than sixth.
 
71E'ville
      ID: 154442214
      Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 17:08
Sounds good. I'm just excited not to be picking 11th or 12th for a change. At 10th I get one more option. Yessssss.
 
72Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 17:54
Sounds good to me. I'll pick anywhere, anytime. ;)
 
73Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 22:21
Should work for me. I might be a little squeezed at the end but I can leave queues if need be.
 
74Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 22:44
Guru 68: nah! Same weekend happened in the midst of the RIHC draft last year! Some of my best picks, too!!
 
75Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 23:29
That's when you're at your best.
 
76Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Sat, Oct 04, 2008, 09:01
The weekend of 18th-19th October is very difficult for me, but hopefully should be able to work around it, being in Europe.
 
77 Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sun, Oct 05, 2008, 17:07
email addy update. It wouldn't hurt to put RIHC in the title of your email. I'll make sure the email addy saved in yahoo lines up. You can use my (other) shared family email address, but your note will be a little more likely to be lost in the sea of spam filtered junk mail.
 
78Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 15:46
I put together a text file of all Yahoo-listed players, along with their Yahoo positions.

http://rotoguru1.com/hoop/Yahoo_pos.prn
 
79Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 10:41
The draft will start on Wednesday with a 6 hour clock. The draft clock will continue through weekends. There will be a clock moratorium each night from 1am until 7am Eastern time. Picks can continue to be made during the moratorium period, but the clock will be paused. Those picking at the endpoints do not get a double clock. In addition, if anyone is already in arrears for a pick when their next pick is due, they do not necessarily get a second clock period. This will be subject to Commissioner discretion.

I will plan to activate the draft on Tuesday evening. Although the draft does not officially begin until Wednesday, the early activation will allow anyone a chance to set a queue in advance, if desired.
 
80Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 12:19
Sounds great. Looking forward to it. Should be a fun draft this year with many wildcards.
 
81Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Tue, Oct 14, 2008, 08:02
Guru, this weekend is going to be very, very difficult for me. The roster freeze times are 6am - 12pm here in the UK, and that combined with the 6 hour slots is going to make things very awkward for me.

There is a chance i might have zero internet access from Friday 7pm GMT until Sunday 10pm GMT. I don't really want to be leaving gargantuan queues for my crucial middle round picks.

Is there any way we can extend the clock to 8 hours, even if it's just during this weekend? That would make a huge difference to me.

Sorry for causing inconvenience - i know i picked the wrong weekend to be out of town :P Everything should be fine again when i get back on Sunday night.
 
82Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Oct 14, 2008, 10:06
Swish - I will extend the clock to 8 hours for you this weekend if it looks like you may need it.
 
83deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Tue, Oct 14, 2008, 10:46
I should have no problem being around, if needed Ill leave a queue, allthough my PC crashed and am working(struggling, better said) on my GF's Mac right now, and I lost my pre-rankings which pisses me off.
Good thing I had a small ranking saved on yahoo.
Hope to have another PC soon. Timing really sucks.
 
84KnicksFan
      Sustainer
      ID: 030815418
      Tue, Oct 14, 2008, 13:39
Pre-rankings? Draft prep? You gotta draft on pure adrenaline and instinct!
 
85weykool
      ID: 45821208
      Tue, Oct 14, 2008, 19:23
Pre-rankings? Draft prep? You gotta draft on pure adrenaline and instinct!

All DJ was saying was he had all his coins lined up and he was ready to draft.