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| Posted by: deejay
- Sustainer [501182710] Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 06:51
2 weeks till the season starts...
Schedules are pretty rocky this year (or is just me?), prices are ok though.
Many midpriced/cheapies to chose from.
Will Knicks players finally be an option, with D'Antoni in charge? I would think so...
Will the Suns be less interesting?
Have Barnes on my list, but is he even starting?
Will Durant step up his game?
How about the PG situation in Millwaukee...
Will Oden be overpriced?
Is Wade gonna be huge?
I havent tried to form a team yet, but it looks defenitely an interesting year :)
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| | | 1 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 09:58
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thanks DJ for getting this thread started. There seems to be abundance of 1-3m guys this year to fill out a roster rather easily, with guys like Barnes, Garcia and a couple Knicks being viable options. This is my first crack at a draft roster and sure many guys here are amongst the more popular picks:
GF Salmons, John Sac
G Duhon, Chris NYK
G Sessions, Ramon Mil
G Williams, Deron Uta
F Lee, David NYK
GF Garcia, Francisco Sac
F Barnes, Matt Pho
F Boozer, Carlos Uta
FC Harrington, Al GSW
FC Blount, Mark Mia
In terms of studs, it's highly flexible. A lot of combination would work on paper and there's no stud schedule that screams as a must have. I could upgrade to like Wade or degrade to a guy like Durant. At FC Amare could be another option too.
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| | | 2 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 18:49
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Rookies are priced...
Oden: 7.25
Beasley: 6.50
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| | | 3 | dpr
ID: 13443116
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 19:03
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looks like some good bargains after 4 months of gravity
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| | | 4 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 19:31
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rookies are always overpriced.
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| | | 5 | dpr
ID: 13443116
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 20:40
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of the studs I like Amare the most to start and likely will have him on all teams. As an alternative to the Utah guys Brand and Igoudala look good. They would gain you 2 games before they would be moved into the Utah duo. Definitely efficient but not sure early season is hte best to be making those moves. If you have neither and start with Iggy then you could take advantage of his g/f and jsut move him into either boozer or deron depending on where he ends. Not sure I want to go that way but wouldnt be surprised If I try it on a team. Also high on durant with the solid schedule and nice end to last season. Im not the biggest fan of wade with the slow early schedule
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| | | 6 | Senator Urine
ID: 106171416
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 20:50
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The Milwaukee PG situation is definitely interesting. Right now it looks as if Ridnour is winning. Still some time left for more information luckily.
The Knicks are also very intriguing, never thought I'd say that again.
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| | | 7 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 03:33
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Sessions isn't getting any clock at all for the last 2 games, better play it safe with Skiles and switch to Ridnour, who's just slightly more expensive than Sessions.
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| | | 8 | Hang Time
ID: 249561819
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 21:40
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I like the UTAH studs and Amare. Not sure which 2 of the 3 I'll take.
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| | | 9 | Senator Urine
ID: 011502111
Sun, Oct 19, 2008, 13:03
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Looks like Deron may miss the start of the season now, but it's too early to tell.
I don't think there's ever been a season with so many options. They've really opened things up with the pricing this year I think. There are so many cheap guard possibilities, it's going to be hard to limit ourselves to just three (or even four).
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| | | 10 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Oct 19, 2008, 13:12
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There are indeed too many options, I can make 5 different teams I think. And Im already a doubter. Will be fun.
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| | | 11 | Hang Time
ID: 239432019
Mon, Oct 20, 2008, 21:50
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So many people to choose. So much time.
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| | | 12 | dpr
ID: 13443116
Mon, Oct 20, 2008, 22:33
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crossing people off tho with injuries or not getting time you hoped for. deron, garcia, sessions, noah. got only like 30 names now considering i think
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| | | 13 | Hang Time
ID: 239432019
Tue, Oct 21, 2008, 04:57
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yup it's thinning with ppl falling to injury...
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| | | 15 | Florian
ID: 272433110
Tue, Oct 21, 2008, 09:54
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There are so many options this year. I'm wondering how many will actually turn out well. I've changed my roster about 25 times. It seems that every time I put someone on my team, they promptly stop playing well. Yesterday I put Hawes and Rodriguez on my rosters. Today they'll be sold for somebody else. I'm hoping this process fulfills my need to make trades for some time and when the regular season starts I'll actually be patient.
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| | | 16 | VismundCygnus
ID: 159142114
Tue, Oct 21, 2008, 15:17
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Does anyone else feel like DWade may be a must have when his schedule is dense?
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| | | 17 | Hang Time
ID: 239432019
Tue, Oct 21, 2008, 16:24
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Anyone know why Luke Ridnour DNPed last 2 preseason games?
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| | | 18 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Oct 21, 2008, 17:33
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I just thought he played the last 2, didnt play in the beginning of the preseason...
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| | | 19 | Hang Time
ID: 239432019
Tue, Oct 21, 2008, 18:21
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OMG. I've been reading the sortables chart backwards. Thanks for the heads up.
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| | | 20 | Hang Time
ID: 239432019
Wed, Oct 22, 2008, 10:15
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I've never changed my team so much during the pre-season. So many players getting injured; lots doing well early pre-season that badly; and lots picking it up toward the end. Ugh.
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| | | 21 | Hang Time
Donor
ID: 469222914
Wed, Oct 22, 2008, 10:24
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Sooo many good studs to get too. :\
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| | | 22 | Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Wed, Oct 22, 2008, 16:34
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This is getting crazy.
Sked easily pointed in direction of Bogut and B Miller as opening day centers.
Even with a side order of Amare.
Of course Brad's suspended and now Bog might not be healthy.
What to do ?...What to do ?
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| | | 23 | Senator Urine
ID: 106171416
Wed, Oct 22, 2008, 17:29
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The Deron situation is going to be very interesting, in terms of Ronnie Price. The timetable keeps changing.
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| | | 24 | tothreeball
Dude
ID: 09118139
Wed, Oct 22, 2008, 21:07
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Anyone have an idea how many teams are signed up so far this season.
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| | | 25 | Hang Time
Donor
ID: 469222914
Wed, Oct 22, 2008, 23:33
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Eww. I'd never consider Ronnie Price.
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| | | 26 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Thu, Oct 23, 2008, 00:17
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re: 24
If this thread is any indication, about fifteen.
I'm thinking about building a team this year after a two year hiatus. Have there been any major changes to the game, or is it essentially the same as before?
TYIA
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| | | 27 | dpr
ID: 13443116
Thu, Oct 23, 2008, 00:26
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you lose your first trades if you go day late (so not really an option)
and missed ft are reduced from -1 to -.5
None of those are major but they are the first things which come to mind
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| | | 28 | Florian
ID: 272433110
Thu, Oct 23, 2008, 09:32
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This is getting really really frustrating. Now Bogut, Wilson Chandler, and Tyrus Thomas are all injured (and the first two are questionable to start the season). And Batum no longer looks to get enough minutes to warrant a pick. I guess I'll redo my team for the 20th time this year. At least I have unlimited trades for now.
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| | | 29 | dpr
ID: 13443116
Thu, Oct 23, 2008, 11:02
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haha thats y I am really jsut working off a list. Made a team a few weeks ago for fun but didnt intend to finalize anything til this weekend
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| | | 30 | Skip To My Lou
ID: 538101711
Thu, Oct 23, 2008, 14:00
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allhair,
Mark L and I are thrilled to hear of your return. I'm not even sure what the analogy is -- Jordan Comback #1, perhaps? Anyway, good to hear it; now let's lobby Ender.
Skip
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| | | 31 | dpr
ID: 13443116
Thu, Oct 23, 2008, 14:26
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I am not seeing any good cheap centers? Some of the more expensive ones look good but where are you guys looking when you dont want two more expensive ones? Earlier I was liking Noah but now it seems he is coming off the bench. Maybe Hawes but I dont see much upside there. IS there someone I am missing?
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| | | 32 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Oct 23, 2008, 17:53
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Another good question is:
Will there be GMD this year? :)
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| | | 33 | Hang Time
Donor
ID: 469222914
Thu, Oct 23, 2008, 18:54
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Is Guru playing?
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| | | 34 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Thu, Oct 23, 2008, 19:13
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dpr, thanks for the update. I agree, those are pretty minor.
Skip, I've dropped Ender a line... I've been dropping hints to him for a couple weeks now... let's see if we can't get him out of his cocoon.
As for your analogy, in truth this situation would be more akin to Dickie Simpkins threatening to come out of retirement.
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| | | 35 | Ender
ID: 55471420
Thu, Oct 23, 2008, 19:28
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I'm in, but only if it means we get together in person again sometime. It's been too long. I love Milwaukee and would love an excuse to visit again.
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| | | 36 | Mark L
ID: 25155512
Fri, Oct 24, 2008, 08:28
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Ender, allhair, Skip -- a reunion is a must. Been way too long. So much the better if we can trash-talk one another about our TSN squads.
Skip, does the firm still have Bucks tix?
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| | | 37 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Fri, Oct 24, 2008, 09:27
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RBE in da house!
Getting together for a game somewhere sounds like a great idea. Did anyone ever do a write-up of our last encounter?
So, I took a flyer on Sessions in an early draft. Are his short and mid-term prospects as grim as they now appear?
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| | | 38 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 24, 2008, 09:57
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[27] Missed FT were reduced to .5 last season. There is no scoring formula change this year.
[33] Yes. Gotta try to recover from a crappy prior year
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| | | 39 | Donkey Hunter
Leader
ID: 916288962
Fri, Oct 24, 2008, 10:21
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Link to gurupatron division password please?
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| | | 41 | Mark L
ID: 25155512
Fri, Oct 24, 2008, 12:58
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37 allhair - I have to think Sessions is going to get substantial PT, but maybe not until December/January. He is by far the best passer and the only point they have who can play any defense at all (and his ain't great).
Was the last one in early Feb 04? I just turned 50 and my long-term memory is now as shot as my short.
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| | | 42 | Senator Urine
ID: 106171416
Sat, Oct 25, 2008, 09:30
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Crap, preseason's over and I'm still trying to pick from about 25 players.
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| | | 43 | deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Oct 25, 2008, 09:34
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Same here Senator.
A 15 player team would make it a lot easier for me :)
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| | | 44 | Ender
ID: 55471420
Sat, Oct 25, 2008, 22:32
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That sounds right as far as hoops goes, but I think we did a Cubs game in '05.
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| | | 45 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sat, Oct 25, 2008, 22:44
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Now that preseason is finally over, all the info are in for the final draft crunching.
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| | | 46 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Sat, Oct 25, 2008, 23:28
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Is there a thread anywhere for posting rosters and/or looking for suggestions?
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| | | 47 | Dunkenstein
Leader
ID: 039541913
Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 01:32
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24 There are currently about 1650 teams. They may get to 1850 by the 28th.
27 According to the top honcho over on the TSN Forum, the rule this year is that "If you do not have a valid roster by Tuesday, October 28th at 11pm ET you will not receive the first 4 trades on Tuesday, November 4th."
33 Guru is playing this year. I've seen his name in at leadt one Auto League.
46 http://forums-beta.sportingnews.com/viewforum.php?f=24
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| | | 48 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 03:47
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I think the purpose of this thread is also to post rosters and look for feedback or suggestions. I posted my first draft here but obviously half the team need to be changed. But I'd think this year is a relatively easy year to put together a roster to be comfortable with, at least I'm not messing with NBA fillers like Orien Greene, Jelani McCoy and Milt Palacio of previous seasons.
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| | | 49 | Senator Urine
ID: 106171416
Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 15:44
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There's really no way to systematically pick from all of these options. I'll probably just have to make a split second decision and hope I guessed correctly. One second I'm thinking one of the cheapies will average 35, the next second I'll convince myself he isn't cracking 15.
I wonder if Deron is going to start the season...
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| | | 50 | Skip To My Lou
ID: 8924720
Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 16:37
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Mark L: We do. Between the firm's 2 and your 2, we are set. Ender and allhair, check your schedules.
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| | | 51 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 19:39
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Looking for thoughts / prayers:
Mayo, Salmons, D. West, Ridnour
Boozer, Gooden, D. Lee, Barnes
Hawes, Amare
Haven't played in 7-8 years and I'm trying to remember the tricks/strategies for s successful year.
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| | | 52 | Allwell
ID: 32050210
Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 20:35
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I like Amare and Boozer obviously, and ridnour seems like he is underpriced...
Im not sold on Hawes at all, and I think Mayo will have monster nights and nightmare ones.
Solid team though
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| | | 53 | An Old Hippie
Sustainer
ID: 02106243
Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 22:17
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Need thoughts
Martin, Brewer, Duhon, Ridnour
Alridge, Barnes, Brand, Pietrus
Hawes, Stoudemire
Haven't done this before and really not sure of what I am doing.
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| | | 54 | Ender
ID: 55471420
Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 23:39
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Mark L, Skip, definitely :)
My Saturdays are booked pretty solid through December with coaching, though a night game might be doable. December would probably work best.
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| | | 55 | ole
ID: 4091277
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 09:28
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for some reason i find it really tough this season to get started with a reasonable roster. so far i have:
nelson
salmons
ridnour
sessions
james
gooden
barnes
brewer
harrington
perkins
any comments or doubts? ;-)
thanks
ole
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| | | 56 | Florian
ID: 272433110
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 10:25
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I'd avoid Sessions since he's not likely to get much playing time.
3.85 million (Brewer) seems like a lot to pay for someone who'll probably average 22 points/game (based on last year).
Similar comment about Perkins though he'll only average about 18/game (based on last year).
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| | | 57 | Florian
ID: 272433110
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 10:40
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I'm trying to figure out who to draft and it's largely coming down to a philosophical answer on whether to draft a bunch of mid range players (Lee, Mayo, Gay, Bogut, Durant, Martin, Salmons, etc.) or a combination of studs (Lebron, Howard, Brand, Amare, Boozer, Williams, Yao, Nash, Iverson) and cheapies. And then there are questions about injuries (Deron Williams, Bogut, Tyrus Thomas, etc.). And which cheapies will get similar playing time to the preseason.
I'm likely going to go with a combination of the two approaches realizing that I could come up with many many combinations of teams that would score similar points.
Currently my main two questions are:
1. Durant or Martin for my mid-level guard.
2. Do I go mainly for mid-range players or combinations of studs/cheapies
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| | | 58 | Skip To My Lou
ID: 538101711
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 11:39
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I've been following the Knicks beat pretty closely and it sounds like Wilson Chandler ($1.5) will be there on opening night. Anyone else enamored with him his potential to produce a nice profit over his salary in that system?
Other random thoughts:
Being in Milwaukee, I think Ridnour is a must own, but I'm passing on Charlie V to start the year. He might burn me, but I just don't see him putting up huge lines once the games count.
I realize that differentiation isn't a great early strategy, but I'm likely to go with Wade (and LeBron) from day one, rather than trade in (with everyone else) on day 9. I think they are both going to start huge, particularly Wade @NYK, home to Sac and @ Cha.
No idea what to do with GS, but Nelson or Azubuike are going to be valuable early at their prices -- just don't know which.
Staying away from the Utah and LAC point situations, but Price and Hart could be valuable. Anybody planning to roll the dice there?
I think Barnes, Salmons and Hawes are all quality plays, with their schedules and situations.
Thoughts?
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| | | 59 | Senator Urine
ID: 106171416
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 15:32
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Yeah, I was hoping today would clear things up a bit as more news came out, but now it's only more muddled.
In addition to the ones you just posted, now there's Delonte West to throw into the mix too. Dunleavy's also out for Indiana so Daniels is an option, but at the moment I'm leaning towards staying away.
Also the Knicks of course don't play the first night, so we can't wait to see on Chandler.
I was really hoping Deron would be playing but now it doesn't look like it. I don't like any of the other options in that price range though except for the three I've already locked in.
There are like 10 great cheap guard and forward options. I want them all, and then there are all the midrange guys too. Right now I'm leaning towards very expensive and very cheap, but that could change at any moment.
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| | | 60 | Skip To My Lou
ID: 309332713
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 15:33
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Update: Ridnour is now also "iffy" for opening night with a back injury. Lovely.
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| | | 61 | Senator Urine
ID: 106171416
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 15:39
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Ugh. If he were ruled out that would make things so much easier.
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| | | 62 | deejay
ID: 229362514
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 16:42
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So back to Sessions for 2 games? :)
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| | | 63 | ole
ID: 4091277
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 16:52
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thanks florian. i guess my thinking was that garnett will get slightly less playtime (not the youngest anymore) and perkins kinda had those double/double games when he got 20+ minutes. somehow i am hoping that he can repeat that.
as for sessions... he was suggested in so many forums. wonder why.
brewer - yup, that's a gamble. but again with williams limited an brewer's occasional big games it seems worth it. i guess there's arguments in both directions...
ole
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| | | 64 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 18:27
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Post 60, Skip To My Lou, where did you see or hear that about Ridnour. I've looked in Rotoworld, Rotowire and the Milwaukee paper and can't find any mention about it.
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| | | 65 | deraynman
ID: 59142621
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 18:32
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http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/33379354.html
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| | | 66 | Mark L
ID: 25155512
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 18:34
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64 Dave R -- Skip just called me and provided two items of interest from Milwaukee radio: (1) Ridnour has tightness in his lower back and is "unlikely" to play tomorrow night; and (2) Mbah a Moute will be starting, with Charlie V coming off the bench. Supposed reason for (2) is that MaM is the only guy on the team who can play any D in Skiles' view and he feels that Villanueva can score as much off the bench against a second unit.
I've checked the Journal Sentinel web site but did not find anything to confirm either of these.
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| | | 67 | Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 19:16
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By Charles F. Gardner of the Journal Sentinel
Point guard Luke Ridnour missed practice with a back injury, and Bucks coach Scott Skiles called Ridnour "iffy" to play in the opener. Skiles did not say who would start at point guard if Ridnour was unable to play
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| | | 68 | Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 19:18
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Taken me weeks to finally arrive at a lineup that in the end included both Ridenour and Villanueva.
24 little hours !
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| | | 69 | Hang Time
Donor
ID: 469222914
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 20:27
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Well, I just got rid of Ridnour and Vill. We shall see. I'm not taking a risk w/ injures.
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| | | 70 | dpr
ID: 13443116
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 20:29
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man didnt there use to be a ton of options? wat happened?
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| | | 71 | Hang Time
Donor
ID: 469222914
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 20:31
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Anyone got the printable version of the schedue?
http://rotoguru2.com/cgi-bin/sched4.cgi?v=0&start=
I remember there use to be one in previous years.
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| | | 72 | Senator Urine
ID: 106171416
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 20:42
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Here's a very important question - did we ever figure out why Boozer started sucking at the end of December last year?
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| | | 73 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 20:43
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Posted by Guru in one of the other threads...
Full Season Schedule
There's an Excel link at the top... you'll have to reformat it to print, or post your email and I'll send you one already print formatted...
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| | | 74 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 20:45
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Ok, I'll bite.
Too much egg nog...?
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| | | 75 | Hang Time
Donor
ID: 469222914
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 21:09
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Re: #73
Would you mind emailing me it please?
I'm not the best at excel.
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| | | 76 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 21:23
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Hang Time,
The file is on it's way. Let me know if you have any difficulties.
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| | | 77 | Skip To My Lou
ID: 309332713
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 21:28
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RE: Ridnour and Charlie V --
Yeah, it was on local radio after practice, so it take it with a grain of salt. But Ridnour didn't practice at all and, according to the reporter, Skiles called him "very unlikely" to play.
As for Charlie V, I just heard another report that says that Skiles has "made his decision regarding who will start" between Villanueva and Luc Richard, but he's not revealing it. (Great, huh?)
Anyway, both issues are referenced in the JSonline Bucks blog here: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/bucks.html
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| | | 78 | Hang Time
Donor
ID: 469222914
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 21:51
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#77
I still just don't want to take the risk.
Imagine having to waste a trade on Ridnour after 1 day.
As far as Vill, I think you'll be fine either way. I'm just not taking the risk.
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| | | 79 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 01:03
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Well, a couple more changes due to the uncertainty of Ridnour.
Mayo, Salmons, D West, N Robinson
Boozer, Gooden, Villanueva, Barnes
Hawes, Amare
At this rate, several more injuries will rear their ugly heads tomorrow...
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| | | 80 | Hang Time
Donor
ID: 469222914
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 03:21
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Good luck tomorrow everyone! Let's keep these discussions active throughout the season. Tis always more fun that way.
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| | | 81 | ole
ID: 23943282
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 06:41
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good luck to all. looks like a rocky start... i don't trust my own line-up, lol.
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| | | 82 | CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 09:30
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Yes I feel NOT confident in my team,,,heavy on Pho, MEM teams along with some big names that I could care less of their weak schedule I feel certain guys are MUST HAVE.
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| | | 83 | Florian
ID: 272433110
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 11:40
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Anyone know whether Wilson Chandler will be ready for the season opener. I really don't want to start with any injured players on my roster, but my current roster has only .05 million in cash left and there aren't many good players in that price range. I already replaced Ridnour with Delonte West. The only reports I can find on Chandler are several days old.
From Rotoworld
Wilson Chandler-F- Knicks Oct. 26 - 10:16 am et
Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni thinks forward Wilson Chandler (sprained knee) could practice Sunday and be ready for Wednesday's opener.
"He better be, yeah," D'Antoni said. "I expect him to be ready maybe [today] in practice and at least by Monday." Chandler is a fantasy sleeper with nothing but upside and should be owned in most leagues.
Source: New York Post
CBS Sportsline has him listed as questionable for the opener, but doesn't list their source.
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| | | 84 | deejay
ID: 229362514
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 11:42
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from Newsday:
Notes & quotes: Wilson Chandler (knee) returned to practice yesterday and is on track to play in tomorrow night's season opener against the Heat at the Garden. Said D'Antoni: "He's ready to roll."
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| | | 85 | Florian
ID: 272433110
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 11:49
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Thanks, Deejay.
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| | | 86 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 12:00
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Seen alot of talk about Calderon. I think he's gonna be a stud this year, but Toronto's schedule just isn't very good the first few weeks - alot of gaps. Anyone else seeing this?
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| | | 87 | Skip To My Lou
ID: 538101711
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 12:13
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Thanks for the Chandler news; I think that his inclusion settles my roster. I really like Marquis Daniels, too, but that 2 in 8 to start the season is ugly.
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| | | 88 | Ole
ID: 23943282
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 12:30
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86 - same thought here. sked looks rocky, so i pass at least for the start.
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| | | 89 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 12:33
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As many times as I've looked at Hawes, I just can't see NOT starting the season with him. I will keep a couple mil handy for the bail-out, but there's very little downside to him the first 2 weeks.
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| | | 90 | Hang Time
Donor
ID: 469222914
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 12:41
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I wish the season would start already so I don't keep f'ing with my roster.
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| | | 91 | Ole
ID: 23943282
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 12:42
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he's on my roster too. looks like an early money train to me.
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| | | 92 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 13:15
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Florian: Rotowire today:
Wilson Chandler (F) NY 10/28/2008
Chandler (knee) resumed full practice on Monday and is expected to play Wednesday night when the Knicks tip off the regular season against the Heat, Newsday reports.
Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni succinctly summed it up: "He's ready to roll." Chandler will likely come off the bench, backing up Quentin Richardson at small forward, but may also play some power forward in a smaller lineup. The Knicks are looking for him to make a bigger impact on the team in his second season, and he should be an improved fantasy player.
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| | | 93 | Ender
ID: 5963859
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 13:15
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I scrapped my Hawes plan and went big at C. Have Brand, Amare at C. I also have Lebron at F and cheapies everywhere else except Salmons who is more midrange.
I went through several iterations last night and settled on this. We'll see what happens between now and game time...
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| | | 94 | Hang Time
Donor
ID: 469222914
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 13:23
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Ender: I had Brand too, but dropped his ass. Some reason that guy always fails to produce early in seasons. New team, though, so who knows? /shrug
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| | | 95 | Hang Time
Donor
ID: 469222914
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 13:24
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#93
I also went 3 studs, though. I feel the cheapies this year are good enough.
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| | | 96 | Ender
ID: 5963859
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 13:36
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Yeah, I went back and forth and honestly am not completely sold, but if he puts up '06 numbers then he's worth it. IIRC their schedule dries up in about a week and a half so he won't be long term anyway.
I went back to Hawes and bumped Brand to F. Now I have see if I'd rather have a different stud F. It's a sickness. I wish I could just leave it alone and wait for tipoff.
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| | | 97 | Hang Time
Donor
ID: 469222914
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 13:46
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#96 Yeah, it's best not to touch your team within the last ~12 hours (baring injuries).
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| | | 98 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 14:12
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From Roto:
Charlie Villanueva might come off the bench on Tuesday as Scott Skiles is considering starting Luc Richard Mbah a Moute at power forward tonight.
Ugh
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| | | 99 | Hang Time
Donor
ID: 469222914
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 15:08
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I wish the games would start already. I NEED TO STOP LOOKING AT MY ROSTER. ;)
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| | | 100 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 15:16
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LOL...
I messed around with my team quite a bit last night and (barring a miraculous recovery by Ridnour) I'm pretty happy with it. As it turns out, I'm not running any top echelon-priced players, but I have a solid group of upper-mid level priced players with some solid cheaper players.
Feeling good... so far...
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| | | 101 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 15:28
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BTW, Skip, Mark L and Ender,
I'm open to getting together whenever we can schedule it. I'll need a fair amount of advance notice, and proximity to the holidays would be an issue... otherwise, I'm good to go!
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| | | 102 | Blooki
ID: 109302721
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 16:08
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Alright, buying players and heading out for the day.
Going with 3 studs, 3 mid-rangers and 4 cheapies.
Good luck to everyone!
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| | | 103 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 17:51
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Another option at Guard: Sefolosha for CHI. Looking better by the minute...
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| | | 104 | Senator Urine
ID: 106171416
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 18:25
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Any of you Cleveland people have any idea on Delonte West this season? One minute I'm thinking he's going to be a monster, the next that he'll do nothing.
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| | | 105 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 18:26
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I've switched D. West in/out of my lineup and I'm at a loss. The more I read, the more I might shy away from him because of the bench and front court filling up the stat line.
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| | | 106 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 18:30
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Also can't decide between Gooden or Villanueva. That MIL situation seems like a real mess. Too many questions marks???
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| | | 107 | allhair allstars
Sustainer
ID: 50902421
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 18:31
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re: 104
I slotted West last night. Was it wildly smart? No idea, but FWIW I'm not changing it now. I'm not a Clevelander, btw.
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| | | 108 | Senator Urine
ID: 106171416
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 18:35
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And of course West plays before Ridnour. Ugh.
I'm getting very tempted to skip both of them and gamble on Wilson Chandler, but I could be insane.
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| | | 109 | Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 18:54
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Wonder if TSN will get it together tomorrow on lock time for the Philly game
It's been moved up an hour to 6 P.M. to make it easier for Philly fans with the conclusion of Game 5 of the world series moved to tomorrow night
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| | | 110 | deejay
ID: 229362514
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 09:18
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1811 teams, ouch.
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| | | 111 | Pica
Sustainer
ID: 161141312
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 09:44
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let's enjoy what is conceivably the last year of tsn ultimate hoops
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| | | 112 | Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 10:25
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SU, West is a decent player on a team with 10 decent players. The Cavs are too deep to have any players consistently contribute besides Lebron. On any night Delonte, Wally, Boobie, Z, Varejao, or Pavlovic could go off or completely disappear.
Mo Williams may eventually be an option too if he can settle into his role and average 8-10 assists.
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| | | 113 | Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 11:27
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1811 teams
less than 200 leagues
and a top 25 finisher in every one
nobody can come in and win a league prize
the elite that love this game so much have killed it off
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| | | 114 | Donkey Hunter
Leader
ID: 916288962
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 11:48
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Maybe far less than 200 leagues. If you check the to pleagues standings there are only 83 leagues listed in the top 100.
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| | | 115 | Blooki
ID: 119492312
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 14:11
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So I've been poking around some of the rosters of top managers in my leagues and I found it curious that many of you chose not to draft Dwyane Wade.
Meanwhile, Senator Urine and I were hellbent on locking him onto our draft rosters no matter how much his $10.25mil salary limited us elsewhere.
Now that all of our rosters are locked and loaded, I'd be curious as to hear what the community has to say about him. Did SU and I simply overvalue him? Was it injury-risk, schedule, etc. that caused you to look elsewhere? Are all of the Wade owners just not in my leagues? Was he a bubble-guy and just missed the cut?
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| | | 116 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 14:18
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I tried to get Wade in there, but I'd rather wait for his schedule to pick up. He's poised for a huge year in my opinion.
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| | | 117 | dpr
ID: 13443116
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 14:39
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For wade it probably comes down to whether you have confidence for him to return to his 45+ TSNP from 2 seasons ago.
Assuming you get him the sell date is likely 12/2. In this span he has 17 games as well as many others. Some teams have 18 and some have 19(sac). so while none of the sac guys are likely to outpoint him what about boozer(who also starts a 4in5 on wades sell date) in 18 games? Amare in 17 with 12/2 not being the ideal sell date? While he was probably comparable to these guys depending on if he is 2006 form or 2007 I chose to go with these guys because of their cheaper prices
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| | | 118 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 14:43
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I went with Boozer to start.
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| | | 119 | Skip To My Lou
ID: 538101711
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 14:48
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I have Wade, LeBron and Amare. I think Wade -- especially early in the season before either (a) the bumps and bruises, or (b) the disillusionment over how bad his team may be gets him down -- is a must own.
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| | | 120 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 14:55
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It's been so long since I've had a team in TSN Ultimate, but is it better to try and have 3 studs on day-1 and fill in with lower priced guys all around? Or, are there many schools of thoughts from the experts?
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| | | 121 | Blooki
ID: 119492312
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 15:17
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Re: 120
I think the answer to that depends heavily on initial pricing and if you constrain yourself to a hard fast rule for initial stud count you're hurting yourself.
In my opinion, the only rule of thumb is to draft 10 value players.
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| | | 122 | G
ID: 369542914
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 17:03
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Blooki,
For my last stud spot(Lebron and Boozer took the top 2) I passed on Wade in favor Howard for several reasons. Here they are:
1) I had no problem filling 4 guard spots with cheap options I thought could get 20+ avg. I didn't feel as comfortable with the cheap F and C spots.
2) Since I wasn't comfortable with my cheap C's I wanted Howard to hold one of those spots or in some cases have the flexibility to move him to the C spot from F.
3) I think Wade will be sold on 11/2 as people try to get on trains and can't stand the 3 days off Wade has.
4) If I was wrong on any of this, Howard can become Wade next Wednesday. Yes it cost me a trade to do that but I got 4 Howard games to 3 Wade games which should be ok for 1 trade.
G
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| | | 123 | Senator Urine
ID: 106171416
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 17:27
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For my studs I ended up going Wade, Howard, and Amare. I think this gave me the most flexibility, plus in general I like taking expensive players who start off the season with a spotty schedule (the three days off in a row is probably my favorite). Amare is an exception to this obviously, but those two days off followed by a 4 in 5 (combined with his center eligibility and ability to dominate) could lead to some big gains. It also gave me a chance to wait on Boozer, who consistently sucked after mid-December last year. It's still before mid-December though, so hopefully I don't regret it.
Wade I think is going to be on a whole other level. He's good.
I was seriously considering a four stud lineup last night (Wade, Howard, Amare, and Boozer) but then the Tyrus Thomas news broke and I didn't want to be the guy without him if he went off.
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| | | 124 | G
ID: 369542914
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 17:46
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SU
I see you opted not to take Lebron who in the past has been a "must" have. Him going for "only" 41 wasn't great but he does get 4 games to only 3 of Wade and in theory should be able match Wade in average.
If I opt to keep Howard, I can always go Lebron --> Wade next Wed and I still get an extra game for 1 trade. Either way I anticipate that if I were to buy Wade after his 3 days off, it will be at a price below is starting level because of the hit he takes on 11/2 and perhaps 11/3 for the lemmings. Of course 3 big games by Wade could minimize that.
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| | | 125 | Blooki
ID: 119492312
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 18:12
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G,
It seems picking up extra stud games is factoring into your thinking quite a bit here. To be honest, I do/did the same thing. Over the seasons though, I believe I've learned the error of my ways especially when it comes to drafting and early season considerations. Taking mostly from the inadvertent teachings of Guru (a post he wrote years ago stating that he preferred not to draft any players that he planned to trade in the first 2 weeks stands out in my mind), I've realized how important early season flexibility is for trade management and FV appreciation. The reason being that there are just so many unknowns at this point and it will stay that way likely for the first 6-10 weeks of the season. Extra trades and higher FV allow you to get to your known quantities much more efficiently, effectively and, most importantly, earlier.
While I can't quantify the wisdom of this in any way, I will say that I used to be the type that would never draft Carlos Boozer because many other similarly priced studs could get +2 games on him and when else in the season are you going to be able to get 80 TSNP for 1 trade. This season, I am a proud Boozer drafter. Results be damned, I stand by this choice.
In any case, best of luck to you and thanks to everyone for sharing their myriad of thoughts and opinions. I love learning from all the different successful managing styles there are out there and I always find the draft to produce the widest range of schools of thought.
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| | | 126 | G
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 18:42
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I wouldn't quite say picking up extra stud games was the deciding factor since I too am a Boozer owner on all 5 of my teams. However, this year the schedule just happens to favor two of the best players in TSN - Lebron and Howard.
I certainly don't "have" to trade either one of them in the first two weeks. However, if for some reason I see someone else I want, like Wade or Amare (who both made my final list) I have ways to get those guys. I certainly don't see holding Lebron or Howard as a doomsday situation if they are hitting for their averages early.
It is the wisdom you shared above that caused me to avoid taking Wade and Amare. With Wade, if he as a sub-par game on 11/1, being a trade-a-holic I would feel forced to trade on 11/2 to avoid big hits. With Amare, he has a pinkie issue and a new coach with a new style. Plus he didn't play much in preseason.
So not only do I consider Lebron to be better than Wade and Howard to be better than Amare, I also thought they were safer choices and gave me the most flexibility. The extra games were just a bonus.
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| | | 127 | CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 19:16
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Okay...I went with players from strong two week schedules. Pho, Mem, and then just players I felt were must have James. So far this is NOT played to well but only one James game on night one is hardly a test of the route I chose. I have many Mem players..others were UTH and SAC with Price and Hawes due to needing 500K guys that I can NOT lose cash on. I hope for the best as I am not confident....but then again when confident I am not exactly getting great results.
Thoughts?
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| | | 128 | G
ID: 369542914
Fri, Oct 31, 2008, 13:44
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Blooki,
I know it is early and this is not meant to be smart in anyway, but I am curious about your take on Amare at this point. Is he living up to your expectations?
To be honest, he is exactly where I thought he might be. He is coming in right around 37-38 pts which is a few points less than last year. Is this a result of a different offensive style from a new coach? Is this a result of a very crowded team? A combination of both? Or just 2 games only slightly below average and he will get back to 40+?
None of us know but at this point I don't see him as a must add to my team if Howard continues to play well and besides Amare is already owned by 45% of the teams so i don't think i want to jump into a high ownership situation when I already have 5 of those guys on my team and rising.
G
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| | | 130 | Blooki
ID: 119492312
Fri, Oct 31, 2008, 14:23
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I expected more, but I can't say I'm displeased with Amare. I'd be displeased with Kevin Durant who popped on and off some iterations of my draft roster.
I believe it was reasonable to assume that Amare would approach 40-45 TSNP/g. Many pundits were right in noting that Amare experienced an increase in minutes once Shaq arrived because he was managed to stay out of foul trouble. That was the main reason he enticed me because he has always had a great TSNP/min ratio and he's still maturing.
That being said, having watched a fair amount of both Suns games I'm not overly concerned (yet). If I had to try to explain things, I'd attribute to his failure to breakout in two games (which I hope supporters and naysayers alike would agree is a terribly small sample size) to (a) both teams they played against were top flight teams in TSNP allowed last season (b) Phoenix is struggling (especially in last night's game) to find a good rhythm in their offense.
I'm glad to see Amare's minutes way up because I still believe that's what kept him from becoming a super-stud in previous years and think that that fact alone gives plenty of reason for optimism.
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| | | 131 | Blooki
ID: 119492312
Fri, Oct 31, 2008, 14:32
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Also G,
I think your roster is a fine roster and I believe we would've converged more if not for the fact that I developed a large man-crush on Kevin Martin (who I hope doesn't go 5-19 on a regular basis) during the draft process due to his sans Artest splits from last season. Due to his relatively high price I went with three value studs (Wade, Amare, Boozer) all of whom, had I not drafted Kevin Martin, I might've still gone with even without cap considerations.
All in all, results-oriented thinking and regret aside, I'm happy with my draft. As I was telling deejay yesterday, when your biggest problems after day 3 are a struggling Ridnour that will probably turn it around (unless the injury is more serious than you thought) and lacking playing time CJ Miles (but how big of a problem can a 500K player be), you're in pretty good shape.
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| | | 132 | G
ID: 369542914
Fri, Oct 31, 2008, 16:49
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Blooki,
As we know, there are many roads to the promise land in this game. Thanks for your thoughts. I just found your question about Wade interesting and worth responding too. I always enjoy back and forth on how people choose their players and their line-ups.
I too believe Ridnour will be just fine as will Miles. Especially when the UT schedule heats up next week and people are scrambling to fit in all the studs they can with good schedules or shortly after that when all these trains start to be sold because of schedule blips and high ownership. A G/F at .500 may be invaluable at that time, even if he is only getting 15 pts a game.
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