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Subject: RIHC 2008-09: Injury Slot (IS) Designations

  Posted by: Guru - [330592710] Sat, Oct 25, 2008, 15:54
This is the fourth year we will be using the Injury Slot for the RIHC league, and I believe that all of the QLs are using that rule as well.

Here are the RIHC rules:

Three bench slots are available to hold any player. Two additional bench slots will be enabled, but are restricted as “injury slots”, hereafter abbreviated as “IS”.

An NBA player shall be eligible to fill an IS if he is listed in any “informed” source as being injured more seriously than “day-to-day”. Examples of acceptable information sources include (but are not limited to):
RotoWire
RotoWorld
RotoTimes
ESPN
NBA.com
Newspaper stories (citing facts, not speculation).

Once a player appears in an NBA game, he is no longer eligible to fill an IS, even if a published source fails to remove his listing. When a player is no longer IS eligible, the team shall have a limited amount of time to remove that player from the IS, as defined below.

If a manager wishes to move a player into an IS but cannot find a confirming source, he may request that the Commissioner approve the designation. The Commissioner shall use his best judgment in making such a determination.

If any manager believes that another team has improperly moved a player into an IS, he may file a protest with the Commissioner. If any manager disagrees with a Commissioner ruling, he may request a league vote. Six votes shall be required to overturn any Commissioner ruling related to an IS.

Each Wednesday, the Commissioner (or his designee) shall review all rosters to assure that any filled injury slots are appropriate. In the event that an IS is improperly filled, the Commissioner will notify the manager of the violation via the email link at the Yahoo site. The notified manager will have 48 hours to correct the roster or to provide a satisfactory explanation. If a breach remains uncorrected 48 hours after notice, the Commissioner shall have the authority to drop a bench player in order to bring the roster into conformance. The player dropped will be based upon the Commissioner’s judgment as to the best interests of the impacted team.

The Commissioner shall have the latitude to extend the time for curing a breach if he knows that the manager is unreachable and/or unavailable to make the adjustment.

No player which is in an IS slot may be placed in a starting slot on any day unless the bench has been cleared of that injury slot, or unless another player is eligible to replace that player in the vacated IS. In the event of a violation, the Commissioner may elect to void any stats generated by improperly activated player.

As before, no player may be picked up as a free agent and immediately placed in an IS. Free agent additions are only IS eligible 10 days after pickup, unless the player has appeared in an NBA game after the pickup and the IS eligibility occurred thereafter.


This thread will serve as a central clearinghouse for IS-eligible players, to be used as follows:
  1. Whenever a manager in any RIHC-related league decides to declare a player injured and eligible for an IS slot, they must first check this thread to see whether that player has already been declared as IS-eligible.
  2. If that player has not yet been listed, then that manager must post a message declaring the player's status, and providing justification, with a link to a confirming source, if possible.
  3. At that time, any member of any league may post a challenge to that declaration if they wish. If more than one challenge is submitted, then the RIHC Commissioners will post a decision.
  4. If a player is persistently listed as day-to-day, that player may be placed on IS once he has missed five consecutive games.
  5. If an IS declaration has been made for a player and has not been challenged, then any other manager with that player may accord that player IS status as well, without needing to post. In other words, only one (the first) manager needs to post that declaration.
  6. When a player returns to action and is no longer eligible, someone (the original manager, a Commish, or any other manager) should post a courtesy note to that effect.

Commissioners will still need to perform a weekly review of their respective leagues to monitor compliance. If the Commissioner wishes, he may delegate this duty to another league member.
 
1Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Oct 25, 2008, 15:55 		The following players are widely known to be injured at the start of the season, and their initial IS eligibility is immediately confirmed:

Gilbert Arenas

Monta Ellis

Manu Ginobili

Brendan Haywood

 
2Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sat, Oct 25, 2008, 23:45 		Ellis could be a tricky one at some point. While he is injured, technically he is serving a 30 game team suspension. Will be interesting if he is even IS since the suspension resulted from his violation of his contract. Convenient that they expect him to be healthy by the time he comes off suspension.
 
3Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 00:00 		By IS I meant if the team will have him inactive that day or even have to bother since he is suspended. Of course he is IS as far as RIHC is concerned.
 
4twolves
      Dude
      ID: 811161317
      Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 00:11 		Francisco Garcia appears to be out 2-4 weeks per rotoworld and likely miss opening night. I assume he is eligible.
 
5youngroman
      Donor
      ID: 02934823
      Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 03:39 		do the 5 games also count for the preseason? if yes Marcus Camby is eligible.
 
6Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 07:51 		I don't think so. Players don't play for all sorts of reasons in the preseason.
 
7Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 08:50 		Agreed, unless the prognosis is clear. I'm waiting on Battier to see whats up.
 
8Jaydog
      ID: 491262615
      Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 07:30 		Is it safe to assume that Deron Williams is IS eligable?
 
9Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 11:08 		No. I haven't seen anything definitive that says Deron Williams won't play in the opener - just that it's unlikely. Unless someone finds a source confirming that he is expected to miss several games, he sounds like a day-to-day player at this point.

Just found this item in today's Salt Lake Tribune: "Deron Williams might still be able to play for the Jazz, less than two weeks after suffering a second-degree sprained left ankle..."
 
10Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 11:35 		I picked up Radmanovic as a replacement for Francisco Garcia.
 
11Jason
      ID: 28182214
      Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 16:49 		I picked up M. Daniels and R. Nesterovic as a replacement for G.Arenas and F. Garcia.
 
12Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 17:44 		Dunleavy out for season opener and at least a week per Larry Legend per Indy Star.
 
13twolves
      Dude
      ID: 811161317
      Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 22:20 		Is there a separate designation for IS on the Yahoo site. I did not see a separate designation come up but it did allow 2 more bench players. I assume that is the way it works and one is on their honor not to fill the bench players unless they declare someone injured.
 
14WonderB
      Sustainer
      ID: 241053812
      Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 22:52 		twolves, true. but big brother is watching, or in our case skinneej.
 
15Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 12:17 		Battier has no timetable to even practice much less play, so I'm going to IS him.

Battier still out
 
16KnicksFan
      Sustainer
      ID: 030815418
      Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 16:12 		#12 PR --- I don't think Dunleavy qualifies as IS just yet. Larry Legend said "at least a week" on Oct. 26th, so even if he misses 10 days, that still would only be 2 games of the season (tonight and Saturday).
 
17Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 19:44 		Re: 15

Even though I am a Battier holder in AAA, I would question using a IS slot on him.

The headline of the link itself says "Rockets Notes: Battier still day-to-day with ankle injury". But the article definitely states "he could not predict when he would add more demanding drills or be able to practice for the first time."

So a formal ruling please. Does Battier qualify?
 
18KnicksFan
      ID: 188563018
      Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 20:53 		via breaking news on sports.yahoo.com:


Oden out at least two weeks

The Blazers expect Greg Oden to miss between two to four weeks after MRI confirms foot sprain.
 
19KnicksFan
      ID: 188563018
      Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 21:04 		Greg Oden link
 
20Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 22:24 		[15] & [17] - Although the article does use the words "day to day" in the title, it sounds to me like he is at best "day to day" to be able to practice, and does not at all sound like he will be appearing in a game soon. I think the IS status is OK.
 
21Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 22:38 		Dag Tosh, I tried to be clear! It's ludicrous, ridiculous, and egregious. ;)

Yeah, if he was "day to day" I wouldn't have bothered. But "has no timetable to even practice much less play" shows it's gonna be awhile.

 
22Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 22:59 		The egregious part of it is that it took so long for the first Battier owner to move him to IS. I've watched too many decent FAs already disappear.
 
23Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 23:04 		He's worth the wait. He's this year's Shawn Marion who isn't on the Heat and doesn't jump as high.
 
26Pacers Rule
      ID: 195190
      Thu, Oct 30, 2008, 00:36 		KF- I deleted #24 which was a citation and quoting of four sources all listing Dunleavy as out at least a week. It was just too much clutter. Feel free to look him up on rotoworld, espn injuries page, nba.com fantasy injury page, and the INDY Star. Team schedule is not relevant. # of games missed becomes relevant for lingering day to day situations with imminent return possible. In Dunleavy's case, he's not day to day (unfortunately).
 
27reebbertxx
      ID: 39918210
      Thu, Oct 30, 2008, 00:40 		Putting Battier on IS per above posts.
 
28KnicksFan
      ID: 188563018
      Thu, Oct 30, 2008, 00:54 		26 - Now the reports say he is going to be out longer, so IS is fine. But based on the original source I don't think it was enough to consider him IS. Anyway, it doesn't matter anymore. I hope he comes back soon, I need him in G20.
 
29Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sat, Nov 01, 2008, 22:11 		T. Chandler to IS, missed his 2nd game tonight. "Might" play Wednesday, obviously if he does he comes off IS.
 
30Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Sat, Nov 01, 2008, 22:20 		I'll raise the question, even though I'm not in the " big show " this year. But the same rules apply to all RIHC leagues.

The rules state:
An NBA player shall be eligible to fill an IS if he is listed in any “informed” source as being injured more seriously than “day-to-day”..

Since N.O. doesn't play again until Wednesday anyway, wouldn't you say Chandler is not really to be considered " more serious than day to day "




 
31Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sat, Nov 01, 2008, 22:23 		Not when he's missed 2 games. If he got hurt and didn't have a game before Wednesday, I'd agree.

Hurry back soon bro. ;)
 
32Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Sat, Nov 01, 2008, 22:36 		Well if that's the interpretation, I guess Ridnour, who is " shooting for Wednesday " would be eligible for the IS. Especially with the Bucks scheduled to play tomorrow.

Seems a pretty liberal definition of " more serious than day to day "
 
33Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sat, Nov 01, 2008, 22:39 		I would agree----assuming he doesn't play toorrow.
 
34Florian
      Dude
      ID: 034815289
      Sat, Nov 01, 2008, 23:05 		According to Rotoworld:
Bucks point guard Luke Ridnour sat out Saturday's game with a sore back. Ramon Sessions will start in his place.
"I kind of feel like we'll shoot for Wednesday," coach Scott Skiles said of Ridnour's return date. "He'll continue to get treatment and not travel."

As he is not travelling with the team, he will miss tomorrow's game in New York. If I read Dave R's and Mike D's posts correctly that would mean Ridnour should be eligible for an IS.

 
35Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sat, Nov 01, 2008, 23:17 		Mike, you got anything more on Chandler? At the moment he sounds about as day to day as they come. From what I gather, he has no definite time table that he is out, and he might play in the next game. I understand he hasn't played yet, and if he was forecast out for their first game during the preseason, then I would think he would have been IS then, but I just didn't research it and I didn't see any source or explanation of why he would be IS eligible. I'm not formally challenging, I'm just asking.
 
36Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sat, Nov 01, 2008, 23:25 		Not sure having missed 2 games while day to day would cut it. I think we've set automatic eligibility after missing 5 games while day to day. There's probably another rationale, but that seemed to be the one used above.

To me, Deron Williams seemed to have a timetable for being out a week or more so I'm not sure Guru why you held off on him, but I didn't look him up either. Just going on what was posted here and vague recollections of random player news readings...
 
37Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sat, Nov 01, 2008, 23:57 		Looks like Chandler actually did play in the season opener and has been day to day since injuring his ankle in that game, from what I can tell. (Got him confused with Camby in my mind originally). NOH does not have anymore games before Wednesday, and they are hoping he will play in that (next) game. So I would like to formally challenge his IS eligibility.
 
38Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sun, Nov 02, 2008, 07:18 		No, that's what happened. Got hurt in their first game, has missed the next two, and might play in their 3rd on Wednesday. I guess I should have done it sooner because it was said initially he'd miss at least those 2 games. I don't think it would have been challenged at that point (let me know if I'm wrong).

But if that's the case, I can't see why it wouldn't/couldn't be done for last night when I did it through Wednesday night---at least---we assume he's playing then but no one is 100% sure of course.

He was never listed as day to day. Missing two games when expected to miss them isn't day to day. Day to day means you might play tomorrow. Chandler wasn't expected to play the last two games, and is hoping to play Wednesday.

I think we're all just trying to understand how this fits, which is fine. It's not always black and white.
 
39Uptown Bombers
      Donor
      ID: 035616416
      Sun, Nov 02, 2008, 07:34 		I am a Chandler owner in AAA and it seemed to me that he was day to day. I don't think he should go on IS until Wednesday. As you say in post 38, we can't say for sure if he will play on Wed. night. But we also can't say for sure that he won't play. And that is how I understand the rule. To put someone on IS, we have to know 100% that he will not play for an extended time and/or consecutive games.
 
40Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sun, Nov 02, 2008, 07:46 		I'd agree IF he didn't miss two consecutive games already, AND, if that had not been expected AND forecast when he got hurt. If Wednesday was possibly the first, no way he's IS.

An example of day to day, from today (rotoworld):

Kenyon Martin is day-to-day after leaving Saturday's game with a left hamstring injury.

"It's just a little hamstring, I'll be all right," Martin said. "I've never had a hamstring injury before, so we'll see how it goes. Just come in for treatment and get it right." The Nugget play just three games in the upcoming week, making Martin a risky start if he misses one or two of them.

Besides the actual "day to day" wording, they don't even know if he's going to miss 1 game.....that is truly day to day.
 
41Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Sun, Nov 02, 2008, 08:01 		I guess it's a matter of interpretation. Eligibility is defined as being listed by any informed sources as " more serious than day to day ".

That Chandler has missed the last two games is not important, IMO. The fact is, he probably was nothing more than day to day, since the beginning. And clearly the most important fact is that he may play in their next scheduled game. Truly day to day. Not more serious than day to day.

Someone can be listed as nothing more than day to day , and miss a series of games, and by definition he shouldn't be eligible for IS.


 
42Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sun, Nov 02, 2008, 08:18 		I went back to try and see what he was "at the beginning" because I think that matters. You have "The fact is, he probably was nothing more than day to day, since the beginning."

On Oct. 31, when Chandler didn't play for the first time: 'Tyson Chandler (ankle) may not be ready until Wednesday according to coach Byron Scott.' That meant he'd also miss 11/1, which he did, and "Wednesday" is 11/5.

To me that sounded a little worse.

Without Scott declaring him out until at least Wednesday, I'd totally agree with the day to day status. Here, I totally agree it's up for interpretation.
 
43Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sun, Nov 02, 2008, 08:24 		I agree, Dave R. And that's why we have put the rule in this year that if a player misses 5 days while on day to day status, THEN he becomes IS eligible. Mike, I'd agree with you if you had posted a source at the time that documented "beyond speculation" that Chandler would be out for a period of time, was going to miss X number of games (and I don't know what X is or if it needs to be at least a week, but that is my recollection on the minimum time frame), but you didn't do that, and I still don't see a link that you posted, which was I thought what we said we were going to do to provide documentation as a courtesy - and to establish the basis for the IS eligibility. For me, with Dunleavy, I felt he should be IS eligible, but for a long time I had no documentation that he would be out for the season opener and beyond, so when I finally had it, I posted it in here. While you might be right as far as if he might have been IS eligible after the original injury, if he truly was more than day to day, but unfortunately there is no documentation of that now (that I know of). And since he's merely day to day now (which is what all sources I checked said), to me it seems this is a clear example of a player who's not IS eligible.
 
44Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sun, Nov 02, 2008, 08:25 		MIke D, I didn't see your post before I posted mine. But two things on yours. First, still no link, and second a key word is "may". I that we needed a definitive statement that a player was (definitely) out.
 
45Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sun, Nov 02, 2008, 08:34 		10/31 link

I can't believe you aren't a daily reader of the New Orleans Times-Picayune.
 
46Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sun, Nov 02, 2008, 08:54 		Somebody bring out the GONG...

LOL
 
47Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sun, Nov 02, 2008, 08:58 		Guru and Chuck Barris will have coffee and donuts over this thread.
 
48Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Sun, Nov 02, 2008, 09:09 		That link, unless I am misinterpreting , states that Chandler " might not be ready until Wednesday " as you noted. Scott did not declare him out until Wednesday, which at this point he is. I suppose it could go beyond that date. It also could have been earlier.

The point is, he is day to day IMO. He wasn't declared out for two games ( which apparently is all he is likely miss). He wasn't declared out longer.

Today, Scott declared "Tyson, I suspect, will be ready as early as Wednesday" .

I can't see how he is/was anything other than day to day.
 
49Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sun, Nov 02, 2008, 09:12 		The article mentions that Chandler wasn't declared unavailable until an hour before game time. I don't know, Mike D. Chuck Barris and Guru might only need to hit the drive through on this one.
 
50Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Sun, Nov 02, 2008, 09:49 		The IS position was added when the NBA took away the 5-game DL. For that reason, I have never considered a player for IS unless I knew that my player was going to miss 5 games.
 
51Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sun, Nov 02, 2008, 10:08 		Ironically, same here Tosh. I looked all over these threads last night for that, and the only reference to 5 games I found was up top, where it says:

"If a player is persistently listed as day-to-day, that player may be placed on IS once he has missed five consecutive games."

Then based on my earlier posts, I didn't feel Chandler was persistently listed as day-to-day. Baron Davis right now seems to be persistently listed as day-to-day, but I felt Scott's comments took Chandler out of that.

I think if it is felt that Chandler qualifies as day to day---persistently?---then the 5 games must be missed, and not the 2 (so far) for Chandler, and I'd take him off IS.

I really need to make a coffee run.....
 
52Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Nov 02, 2008, 12:53 		All right. I think this is the most discussion we've ever had on a specific IS designation.

BTW, I haven't declared Deron Williams for the IS, even though he has missed two games, and is not expected to return until Wednesday.

The fact that Chandler has missed two games is not a sufficient condition. In the cited article, I see the statement "... might not be ready until Wednesday," which doesn't sound sufficient to me either. Sounds rather like day to day.

So, unless other evidence is brought forward, I'm going to rule Chandler ineligible. Mike D should release a player. As usual, the player so released will be subject to normal waivers processing.



 
53Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sun, Nov 02, 2008, 15:31 		Bahhhhh. Alrighty. But I'm filing an appeal, in the hopes that Guru can reconsider, and reverses his own decision. ;)
 
54twolves
      Dude
      ID: 811161317
      Sun, Nov 02, 2008, 18:53 		That would also mean that Ridnour cannot be IS
 
55Florian
      Dude
      ID: 034815289
      Sun, Nov 02, 2008, 19:42 		I put Ridnour on the IS on Saturday because he missed Saturday's game and was ruled out for Sunday's game at the same time. He did not even travel with the team to New York for Sunday's game. As he had definitely been ruled out of the next game and is questionable for the following game, I interpreted him as being more than day-to-day. If I incorrectly put him on the IS, please let me know.

From my reading of the Chandler's injury reports, he was never ruled out of a game before the day of the game and he travelled with the team.
 
56Qwerty123
      Leader
      ID: 349431211
      Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 16:28 		With the latest new, I believe the time has finally come to designate Deron Williams as IS eligible. From Rotoworld:

Deron Williams (sprained ankle) will miss Friday's game, is likely out Sunday as well, and could potentially miss the Jazz's upcoming five-game road trip.

Williams got a second opinion on his sprained ankle Thursday and was told that it's a "4-to-6 week injury," not the two-plus weeks he was told after he got hurt on October 18. Williams believes he's "ahead of schedule," but at this point it's unclear if he'll be able to return next week.
------------------
Tonight's game will mark the 5th game missed in a row. He's already been ruled out for tonight, and next week is in question as well. The short end of the revised timetable has him out through next Saturday.
 
57Qwerty123
      ID: 37859112
      Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 02:48 		Great. Josh Smith too.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution is reporting that Josh Smith will miss 2-4 weeks with a high left-ankle sprain.
 
58wolfer
      ID: 5995446
      Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 11:56 		Is it too early to declare Tony Parker as IS eligble after last night?
 
59Jaydog
      ID: 491262615
      Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 13:08 		Tim Thomas is IS eligable after reading this link:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/clippers/la-sp-clippers8-2008nov08,0,301393.story

 
60Addicted
      ID: 379312920
      Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 15:09 		#58, Per Rotoworld:

Tony Parker left Friday's game with a left ankle injury and went straight to the locker room. He will not return to the game and is expected to miss two-to-four weeks.

--Addicted--
 
61Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sun, Nov 09, 2008, 14:14 		Kirk Hinrich out up to 3 months for surgery.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NBA&id=933

Create a link script not working on firefox for some reason.
 
62deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 10:04 		Warriors forward Al Harrington is out for at least two weeks because of a strained lower back.
All his owners can do at this point is plant him on the bench, hope he gets healthy and hope he gets traded. Brandan Wright should continue to start at PF for the Warriors. He has been a good source of blocks, but little else.
Source: ESPN.com / Rotoworld

That qualifies I suppose...
 
63deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 10:09 		so got me Korver...
 
64skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Thu, Nov 13, 2008, 10:03 		Michael Redd and Jason Richardson are now eligble for IS status. Redd has missed 5 consecutive games with the bum ankle, and per Rotoworld Richardson had a knee procedure and is expected miss at least a week.

Also of note, Tim Thomas played last night and is no longer eligible.
 
66Florian
      ID: 272433110
      Fri, Nov 14, 2008, 11:12
Mehmet Okur-F/C-Jazz Nov. 14 - 5:39 am et

Mehmet Okur will stay in Turkey indefinitely until he finds out whether or not his ailing father will have surgery.
Mehmet's father is suffering from a number of critical illnesses. In the obviously less-important fantasy world Mehmet should be considered to be out indefinitely, as these types of situations are unpredictable to say the least. Our thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family.
Source: Salt Lake Tribune

Although it's not an injury, I assume since Okur out indefinitely I can now put Okur on my IS and pick up another player (though the three players I've been wanting to pick have all been picked up in the last 48 hours).
 
67Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Fri, Nov 14, 2008, 11:33 		Surely IS slots are for injured players only, no? That's not the case with Okur.

Do family issues, personal circumstances or suspensions make a player eligible for IS? I might easily be wrong, but i didn't think they did. I seem to remember cases in the past (Detroit/Indiana brawl springs to mind) where players were suspended but were ineligible for IS slots.

Maybe things have changed whilst i've been out of RIHC. Clarification please, Guru?
 
68Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Nov 14, 2008, 11:42 		Florian[66]

IS is for injuries only. It is a replacement for the previous NBA "injured reserve" designation. Personal leave & suspensions have never qualified - unless the player was injured first (before the other issues occurred.)
 
69Florian
      ID: 272433110
      Fri, Nov 14, 2008, 11:47 		I guess I misinterpreted the rule. I'll drop the player I picked up.
 
70Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sat, Nov 22, 2008, 19:49 		Boone missing his 5th straight tonight.
 
71coldwater coyotes
      ID: 451019122
      Sat, Nov 22, 2008, 21:01 		Is Boozer eligible?
 
72Florian
      Dude
      ID: 034815289
      Sun, Nov 23, 2008, 07:29 		Carlos Boozer-F/C- Jazz Nov. 22 - 9:42 am et

Carlos Boozer is expected to miss another seven-to-ten days with a strained left quad and a bone bruise, though no official timetable has been set.
Boozer is wearing a removable cast and undergoing five rounds of treatment every day. It sounds like the absolute earliest he could return is next Wednesday. We should have updates soon, but start thinking about alternatives for next week.
Source: Salt Lake Tribune

I assume since at this point he has already missed two games and is out another 7-10 days Boozer qualifies for an IS.
 
73coldwater coyotes
      ID: 451019122
      Sun, Nov 23, 2008, 12:27 		Thanks
 
74Florian
      ID: 272433110
      Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 09:41 		I believe Nate Robinson qualifies, but I'd like to make sure before I pick someone else up.

Nate Robinson out tomorrow according to the New York Times.

"Robinson landed awkwardly after converting a fast-break layup and said he heard a pop. He will miss Wednesday’s game in Detroit and could be out for a week, D’Antoni said."

Guru : Could you please confirm whether Robinson qualifies for an IS.
 
75deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 10:56 		Rotoworld says hes Day to Day, so I dont think he qualifies.
 
76Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 12:20 		Andrew Bogut out 7-10 days:

Bucks center Andrew Bogut will be sidelined for seven-to-ten days after sustaining a bone bruise to his left knee on Monday.

This is a big disappointment for his owners, as he was averaging 18 rebounds in the three games prior to the injury. Dan Gadzuric and Francisco Elson will be asked to plug the middle for the Bucks...it's not clear who will start, and neither guy will have more than temporary value.
Source: Associated Press
 
77Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 14:00 		[74] "...could be out for a week" doesn't sound sufficient to me.
 
78Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 41831612
      Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 15:18 		Guru continues to lead the league in rejections.
 
79WonderB
      ID: 381092616
      Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 17:12 		jameer nelson
"An MRI confirmed that Jameer Nelson's presumed groin is actually a right hip flexor that will keep him sidelined seven-to-10 days."
as per rotoworld.
 
80Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Sat, Nov 29, 2008, 07:31 		Garcia back, for those with him on IR
 
81jaydog
      ID: 28112928
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 09:30 		Declaring Chris Kaman for IR

"Tue, Dec 2 Kaman (strained left arch) will not travel with the Clippers on their four-game road trip beginning Tuesday in Toronto, the Los Angeles Times reports.Recommendation: Kaman could miss up to two more weeks because of the foot injury. If Marcus Camby (ankle) is healthy enough, he'll start at center in Kaman's place. If not, then look for Paul Davis and Brian Skinner to get some run."

 
82weykool
      ID: 2842717
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 13:21 		Moving Kaman to IR.
I will pick up a replacement tonight.
 
83KnicksFan
      Sustainer
      ID: 030815418
      Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 09:36 		Moved TMac to IR.

"Houston guard Tracy McGrady will miss three weeks to rehabilitate his sore left knee, another blow to an injury-plagued season for the Rockets."

Link
 
84Florian
      ID: 272433110
      Fri, Dec 05, 2008, 09:45 		Nate Robinson-G-Knicks Dec. 5 - 8:50 am et

Nate Robinson is not expected to play Friday at Atlanta due to his groin injury.
Tonight will be the fourth straight game he's missed with the injury and owners just have to hope he'll be ready to go by the next scoring period.
Source: New York Post

The blurb in inaccurate in that he actually be missing his fifth consecutive game tonight (Nov. 26,29,Dec 2,3,5). As he will now have missed 5 games with his injury, I plan to put him in an IS and pick up another player.

Can I pick up another player now as he's not expected to play or do I have to wait until after tonight's game?
 
85Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Dec 05, 2008, 10:37 		Since he's technically still DTD, I suppose you should wait until he officially DNPs tonight.
 
86Florian
      Dude
      ID: 034815289
      Fri, Dec 05, 2008, 20:34 		Guru: You obviously made the right call as Nate is playing off the bench tonight. Now if I'd only been smart enough to put him in my line-up.
 
87Tequila
      ID: 50113766
      Sat, Dec 06, 2008, 07:37 		I think now it should be possible to put Robinson on IS as he aggravated his injury playing last night. He played just 4 minutes, i don't know if it's necessary to wait for 5 more matches.
I'm afraid he'll be out longer this time.
However i'm waiting an answer before picking up a substitute
 
88Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sat, Dec 06, 2008, 09:10 		Are there any sources that say more than day to day at this point?
 
89Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 23:03 		Wilcox to IS....expected to miss 10-14 days.

 
90weykool
      ID: 2842717
      Tue, Dec 16, 2008, 10:21 		Mags missed his 5th straight game.
Moved to IS and picked up replacement.
 
91deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Tue, Dec 16, 2008, 20:27 		89

Chris Wilcox (dislocated finger) is available to play for the Thunder on Tuesday, but he will come off the bench behind starting center Johan Petro.
Wilcox is way ahead of schedule, though it remains to be seen whether his injury affects his performance.
Another reason to be wary of Wilcox is that he can't shake a mintue-share with Nick Collison.

per Rotoworld
 
92Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Dec 17, 2008, 09:25 		Wilcox did play last night, so must be removed from IS
 
93Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Wed, Dec 17, 2008, 12:02 		He will be, pretty sick today
 
94twolves
      ID: 161542014
      Thu, Dec 18, 2008, 13:39 		Brand out

Elton Brand is expected to be sidelined for a month due to the dislocated shoulder he suffered Wednesday night.

We figured that Brand would be sidelined for a matter of weeks, but even so, this is a brutal development for fantasy owners. Marreese Speights figures to be a clear beneficiary here, while Thaddeus Young should also get a boost in minutes. Another offshoot of this injury is that Andre Iguodala will get more touches, and should respond by posting strong numbers while Brand is out.
Source: ESPN.com
 
95deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Thu, Dec 18, 2008, 13:40 		Elton Brand is expected to be sidelined for a month due to the dislocated shoulder he suffered Wednesday night.
We figured that Brand would be sidelined for a matter of weeks, but even so, this is a brutal development for fantasy owners. Marreese Speights figures to be a clear beneficiary here, while Thaddeus Young should also get a boost in minutes. Another offshoot of this injury is that Andre Iguodala will get more touches, and should respond by posting strong numbers while Brand is out. Dec. 18 - 1:13 pm et
Source: ESPN.com

Just what I needed. Now the search for a replacement. :sigh:
 
96Addicted
      ID: 44114221
      Sun, Dec 21, 2008, 18:02 		Gooden Out 7 - 10 days

--Addicted--
 
98Florian
      Dude
      ID: 034815289
      Sat, Dec 27, 2008, 10:28 		Luol Deng has been ruled out for the next two Bulls games by coach Vinny Del Negro and could miss several more with s badly sprained left ankle.
There has been no official diagnosis, nor a timetable for his return, but Deng said the sprain was "bad" while leaving the arena on crutches. He could miss a few weeks with the injury and Tyrus Thomas and Andres Nocioni should both get extra minutes in his absence. Dec. 26 - 9:02 pm et
Source: Chicago Tribune
 
99Jaydog
      ID: 516212910
      Mon, Dec 29, 2008, 16:39 		Zach Randolph to the IS list:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3798218

 
100Mike D
      ID: 1411422617
      Thu, Jan 01, 2009, 08:22 		Battier out 6 games, unable to link Houston Chronicle article at the moment.
 
101Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Jan 01, 2009, 13:28 		Mike Miller has now missed 5 consecutive games.
 
102Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Fri, Jan 02, 2009, 21:05 		Zydrunas Ilgauskas is going to be out around 3-4 weeks, with a bone chip in his ankle. He's in a boot.

 
103deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Mon, Jan 05, 2009, 17:07 		Baron Davis G 01/02/2009 is out indefinitely Out bruised tailbone

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=nba/injuries/injury.aspx

Will it ever stop?
 
104Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Tue, Jan 06, 2009, 08:12 		Pietrus out again - this time with broken wrist
 
105Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Thu, Jan 08, 2009, 00:04 		Dunleavy played tonight.

J.O. missed his fifth consecutive game with a knee.
 
106weykool
      Leader
      ID: 41750315
      Sat, Jan 10, 2009, 12:29 		Moved Mello to IS.
 
107Florian
      ID: 272433110
      Mon, Jan 12, 2009, 09:30 		D.J. Augustin-G- Bobcats Jan. 11 - 7:55 pm et

D.J. Augustin's MRI results taken Sunday showed a strained abdomen and groin, and he will miss at least 10 days.
Augustin initially suffered the injury versus the Celtics last week, then worsened it Saturday, and reported feeling a "pop". Raymond Felton will slide into the point guard spot, and the Bobcats might try to showcase him amidst all of the trade talks surrounding him.

I'll put Augustin in an IS when Deng or Boozer make it out of one of my IS.
 
108Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Jan 12, 2009, 11:58 		Rip Hamilton has missed 5+ games (actually 8 so far)
 
109s R
      ID: 251157133
      Mon, Jan 12, 2009, 14:17 		Yi Jianlian is expected to be out for at least a month after breaking his pinky in Friday night's loss to the Bucks, according to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.
 
110Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Jan 15, 2009, 19:48 		Steve Blake to miss 7 ot 10 days
 
111Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Thu, Jan 15, 2009, 22:28 		Cavs guard Delonte West left Thursday's game with a fractured right wrist (rotoworld)
 
112Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 22:18 		I don't have room for another one, but in case a space opens at some point....

Tyson Chandler could be sidelined up to two weeks with his ankle injury according to coach Byron Scott.
 
113Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Thu, Jan 22, 2009, 16:28 		Andrew Bogut has missed 4 consecutive games, and is out until at least next week
 
114weykool
      ID: 2842717
      Thu, Jan 22, 2009, 17:31 		Bucks coach Scott Skiles again will be without center Andrew Bogut tonight against the Dallas Mavericks - the fourth straight game Bogut will miss due to a lingering back injury.

Bogut has done little in the past few days except stay at home and get treatment on his back for a few hours each day. It's unlikely he could return until next week, although he said the pain has subsided a bit.

Unlikely still sounds like day to day.
I would think you would still need to wait until after the 5th game.

 
115Florian
      Dude
      ID: 034815289
      Tue, Jan 27, 2009, 18:37 		Mardy Collins-G- Clippers Jan. 27 - 3:09 am et

A left calf strain will keep Mardy Collins sidelined for another week or two, according to coach Mike Dunleavy.

Source: Los Angeles Times

 
116Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 13:31 		Kirilenko to have surgery
 
117KnicksFan
      ID: 5056308
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 09:57 		Gerald Wallace: collapsed lung and broken rib after a Bynum mauling.

still in hospital
 
118weykool
      ID: 2842717
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 11:31 		I moved McCants to IR after missing 9 games and put Mello on my active roster.
 
119Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 12:21 		Rashad McCants? Is he injured?? I seriously never saw anything about him being hurt.

McCants
 
120Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Sat, Jan 31, 2009, 02:10 		Blatche:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NBA&id=1193
 
121RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Sat, Jan 31, 2009, 02:16 		McCants isn't injured, I don't think, he has just been McHaled for the good of the team.
 
122Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Sat, Jan 31, 2009, 08:56 		That's what I think too---and therefore no IR spot.
 
123Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Sun, Feb 01, 2009, 13:41 		So weykool needs to drop McCants, right? He's not injured as far as i know, just out of the rotation, as per Mike D's link.
 
124Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Feb 02, 2009, 12:00 		Daily News: The preliminary diagnosis is that Andrew Bynum suffered a sprained right knee against Memphis Saturday and will miss the next six weeks.

 
125weykool
      ID: 2842717
      Mon, Feb 02, 2009, 12:29 		My apologies on McCants.
I only read about him missing 9 games and didnt investigate if it was injury related or not.
I would have dropped Farmar when I activated Mello.

Is it possible to drop Farmar retroactively?
It would be nice to get that game played back.
 
126Addicted
      ID: 200151516
      Mon, Feb 02, 2009, 16:03 		Drew Gooden's been out for 6 games.
No news on his return.


--Addicted--
 
127Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Wed, Feb 04, 2009, 16:59 		Andrew Bogut out for at least 8 weeks with back injury.

Consider him IS'd.
 
128deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Thu, Feb 05, 2009, 16:20 		i give up....

Elton Brand will reportedly undergo season-ending shoulder surgery on Monday.
Just yesterday it was reported that Brand's shoulder was healing and he would play on Thursday against Indiana, but having seen him struggle in nine minutes against the Celtics Tuesday, it's no surprise that he appears to be done for the year. You may want to wait for more definitive confirmation before cutting Brand loose, but it looks like his first season in Philadelphia is over.

Source: ESPN.com / Rotoworld
 
129Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Thu, Feb 05, 2009, 17:34 		Philly media has confirmed it.

Elton Brand out for season
 
130Florian
      ID: 272433110
      Fri, Feb 06, 2009, 09:34 		Report: Bucks' Ridnour out up to four weeks

According to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal, Luke Ridnour suffered a broken thumb in practice on Thursday, and could be sidelined for up to four weeks.
Since the Bucks finalized a trade sending Tyronn Lue to the Magic during the same practice (ouch), Ramon Sessions is the only true point guard left on the roster. Both Sessions and shooting guard Charlie Bell stand to get a ton of run in the interim. Feb. 5 - 8:19 pm et

Will move Ridnour into an injury slot when one opens up.
 
131holt
      ID: 4410182818
      Mon, Feb 09, 2009, 22:40 		Jason Terry is out at least several weeks after surgery on a broken bone in his hand. This blows. I'll pick up some scrub and put Terry in an injury slot.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/TheWireStory.asp?id=16478
 
132Pacers Rule
      Sustainer
      ID: 910311210
      Tue, Feb 10, 2009, 21:36 		Dunleavy out again - per pacers.com via rotoworld:

Pacers swingman Mike Dunleavy (knee) will not play until after the All-Star break, it was announced on Tuesday. When he returns his minutes will likely be restricted.
"Structurally he's fine, it was just more of a pain threshold," said O'Brien. "When he comes back after the All-Star break, we'll re-evaluate his minutes." Feb. 10 - 11:56 am et
 
133Florian
      ID: 272433110
      Thu, Feb 19, 2009, 18:10 		Manu Ginobili-G- Spurs Feb. 19 - 4:56 pm et

Manu Ginobili is expected to miss two to three weeks with a stress reaction in his right ankle.
Assuming that the two to three week timetable is accurate, Ginobili should still come back to salvage some good value this season. In the meantime, Roger Mason looks like the main beneficiary of Ginobili's injury and is worth a look for owners in need of scoring and threes.
Source: ESPN.com
 
134Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Thu, Feb 19, 2009, 19:05 		Danny Granger out at least 10 days. Have yet to decide if Arenas or Bogut should be dropped to allow Danny an IS slot.
 
135Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Fri, Feb 20, 2009, 13:29 		If losing Granger didn't ruin my chances, losing Amare as well certainly does. Pfft.

Amare out for around 8 weeks
 
136CJ
      Leader
      ID: 499271021
      Fri, Feb 20, 2009, 13:40 		134 Is Arenas going to return this year or not?
 
137Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Feb 22, 2009, 19:23 		Monta Ellis out 1-2 weeks with ankle injury
 
138KnicksFan
      ID: 6142248
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 09:45 		I want a ruling on Greg Oden. He has missed the last 3 games and now is listed as doubtful for the next 2-3 games.

The rookie center will miss at least two of the three games because of his lingering left knee injury.


IS designation?
 
139weykool
      ID: 2842717
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 10:49 		Per Yahoo KG out 2-3 weeks.
 
140Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 12:07 		[138] I'd say not yet eligible. If he does miss the next 2, then you could use the 5-day rule - but that might be short lived.

 
141twolves
      Dude
      ID: 811161317
      Thu, Feb 26, 2009, 20:15 		Oden has been out 5 games and not expected back before Sunday
 
142WonderB
      Sustainer
      ID: 241053812
      Wed, Mar 04, 2009, 12:39 		gooden was waived. he's only missed 2-3 games since he played once and missed a bunch of games before that. i'm not sure how he should be classed here.
 
143Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Mar 04, 2009, 12:42 		Getting waived has no bearing on injury status.
 
144Florian
      ID: 272433110
      Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 09:40 		Luol Deng-G/F- Bulls Mar. 6 - 2:51 am et

Luol Deng will not play Friday barring a "miracle recovery", according to the Chicago Sun-Times.
The report goes on to say that the earliest he could realistically return is during the middle of next week, but even that's a crap-shoot at this point. Nobody other than Deng is going to be able to predict his recovery time, and even then he likely won't know until he actually begins to feel improvement, whenever that may be.
Source: Chicago Sun-Times
Related: John Salmons

I'm placing Deng an IS unless anyone objects.
 
145Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 08:59 		Biedrins was examined by the team doctor in San Francisco, the Warriors announced. He will be evaluated in two weeks and will be out until at least April. Contra Costa Times
 
146Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 07:19 		I've dropped Andrew Bogut, and replaced his IS slot with Devin Harris, who is out indefinitely.
 
147weykool
      Leader
      ID: 41750315
      Sat, Mar 21, 2009, 16:43 		Activating KG and and placing Peja on IR for missing his 9th game.
 
148KnicksFan
      ID: 6142248
      Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 17:45 		I'm sending Marquis Daniels to the IR:

"there is no timetable for his return"

sidelined indefinitely
 
149Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Fri, Mar 27, 2009, 17:50 		Tyson Chandler misses his 5th consecutive game tonight. Chandler will also miss the next seven to 14 days in order to have his inflamed right ankle immobilized.

Chandler
 
150Swish City
      Dude
      ID: 0931275
      Sat, Mar 28, 2009, 11:30 		Arenas and Devin removed from IS.

Dropped Singleton and Dooling.
 
151holt
      ID: 4410182818
      Sun, Mar 29, 2009, 06:41 		ESPN reported:
Player News (last updated: March 28, 2009)
News: Camby will miss one to two weeks with a sprained left ankle suffered in Friday's loss to the Spurs, the L.A. Times reports.
Spin: This may effectively end his season as the Clippers may just shut him down rather than bring him back for a meaningless final game or two.

putting him on IS.
 
152Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Tue, Apr 07, 2009, 00:22 		Rotoworld/Miami Herald:

Udonis Haslem's thumb injury is worse than originally thought, and he's now expected to be sidelined close to two weeks.

Haslem was already believed to be done for the regular season, and with this latest setback he could miss the beginning of the playoffs. Go ahead and cut him loose if you haven't done so already.
 
153Mike D
      Leader
      ID: 041831612
      Tue, Apr 07, 2009, 00:25 		I just realized Tyson Chandler has now missed 10 straight games. (oops)
 
154Florian
      ID: 272433110
      Tue, Apr 07, 2009, 09:51 		Manu Ginobili-G-Spurs Apr. 6 - 7:04 pm et

Manu Ginobili has been diagnosed with a stress fracture in his right ankle that will keep him out for the remainder of the regular season, as well as the playoffs.
A CT scan and MRI revealed the fracture on Monday and there's no word on when he'll return to basketball activities. With his season officially over, Roger Mason Jr. and Michael Finley look like decent options for owners needing to replace Manu.
Source: San Antonio Express-News
Related: Michael Finley, Roger Mason Jr.