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Subject: Week 2 trade thread

  Posted by: Hang Time - Donor [469222914] Tue, Nov 04, 2008, 23:54
So, my only serious move is LBJ on after his game on the 8th. I'm either going: Boozer, Yao, or Deron Williams.
 
1G
      Donor
      ID: 5810561615
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 00:01 		I have some cheapie clean-up to do on a couple teams from guys I couldn't do tonight and then it is similar to HT. In addition to your list I am also willing to look at the Atl J's, an Ind guy and AK47 if a I do a combo sale. Should be an interesting week.
 
2dpr
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      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 00:40 		There were two teams I was trying to run in parallel and I already mess that up not moving arthur on one of them. I definitely am better jsut focusing on one team
 
3Hang Time
      Donor
      ID: 469222914
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 01:02 		I'm seriously going to try my best to bank trades this week. God help me. :D
 
4G
      Donor
      ID: 5810561615
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 09:02 		I plan to use all four. No reason to set myself up for failure like post 3 :)
 
5Florian
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      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 09:15 		Will be selling Arthur for Boozer today. Sold Lebron for Yao yesterday to enable the Arthur for Boozer trade. Yao put up 11 points and lost 20k due to gravity despite several teams buying him. The way my players are playing so far I expect Boozer to put up about the same, Lebron to go off for 80, and Arthur to put up 40 again. For anyone planning on buying Boozer or selling Arthur consider yourself warned.
 
6Pica
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      ID: 161141312
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 09:23 		5: in that case, Arthur to Boozer wouldn't exactly be an upgrade would it? ; )
 
7Donkey Hunter
      Leader
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      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 09:28 		Mayo -> Smith
Arthur -> ?

AK47 gained a bit but I am not sure he will keep it up when Deron comes back. Also he seems to be generally overrated as a fantasy player the last year or two.

Although I guess I could hold Arthur due to post 5. He is still a starter for a team with a decent schedule. I would not mind taking the money hits if I thought he could put up 25-30 per game but I just dont believe that at the moment.
 
8deraynman
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      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 13:42 		Marquis Daniels anyone? What is the deal with Dunleavy? On Oct. 29th they said he's due back in two weeks. Marquis Daniels is appealing, but he'll move back to the bench and lose these awesome minutes once Dunleavy comes back.
 
9allhair allstars
      Sustainer
      ID: 50902421
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 16:26 		I picked up Daniels yesterday. No concrete word on Dunleavy but (as a Dunleavy roto owner) I admit I'm suspicious of his injury status. Yes, Daniels will hit the skids once Dunleavy returns, but I don't see Dunleavy jumping back immediately from his tendonitis (keep in mind he's been out since at least early October), and at worst we should have fair warning of his return.

The Pacers schedule gets ugly in a little while however, and that might actually be the more pressing matter for Daniels owners... If Dunleavy's info points to a return, there'd be little motivation to keep him through the 1 in 5... His ownership is low, however, so if the news on Dunleavy is bad, perhaps Marquis becomes a lower trade priority through the rough patch.

We'll see how it goes.
 
10deejay
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      ID: 501182710
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 17:10 		7

The choices under 7mil are pretty thin I must say.
Been peeping at that list pretty much half of the day.
 
11money4later
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      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 21:38 		Getting harder each day to keep D Lee (NY).
 
12Verve
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      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 02:27 		D. Lee is on my list to be traded. Now, I'm debating between Sessions or Granger.
 
13Senator Urine
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      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 08:41 		Looks like Tyrus has to go. Meh.
 
14deraynman
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      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 10:27 		Going Lee and Mayo to JSmoove and Marquis Daniels. It looks like Dunleavy might be out for longer than expected.
 
15Hang Time
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      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 14:03 		I'm scared of Ridnour and Sessions. Anyone else?
 
16dpr
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      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 14:20 		wasnt redd out last game? figure that increased there ability to coexist. Early in the season when all were ut sessions didnt play tho while he has likely earned minutes now it could be so that neither are viable
 
17Hang Time
      Donor
      ID: 469222914
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 14:24 		@16

Yeah, Redd was out. I'm just too nervous to pick either up at this point without seeing a few more games. Their schedule is amazing, though.
 
18Gary D @ work
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      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 15:01 		Im scared of Sessions also...But im gonna take that risk. Classic case of high risk, high reward. Gotta roll the dice...imo
Schedule is just too good....

 
19money4later
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      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 15:27 		Everyone should be looking at Hawes tomorrow to see if he can still produce with Miller back on the floor. Could be a mass-exodus out of Hawes.
 
20G
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      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 16:02 		$4later,

What do you consider to be still producing? If he doesn't meet that number what center do you see mass-exodusing too?

 
21 Charlie
      ID: 09242417
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 16:33 		Why would anyone even think about trading Hawes? Yes Miller is coming back, but Hawes and Miller may play on the floor at the same time. If Hawes averages 20 TSNP a game, he should still be owned. To have a guy as cheap as him produce 20+ and have the games he does, plus qualify at a tricky center position is a no brainer to keep.
 
22ki @ work
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      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 16:42 		anyone know why matt barnes DNPed last night?
 
23Mark L
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      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 16:44 		22 ki - I read in last night's action thread that it was a personal issue.
 
24deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 16:59 		22

Via Tsn forum, his girl was giving birth to twins...
 
25skill999
      Donor
      ID: 030105013
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 17:55 		Tyrus -> Nene / Murphy / Daniels?
Do you think Nene will get out of gravity?
 
26money4later
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      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 20:22 		#20/21 - At his price, anything between 20-25 TSNP would be worth keeping him. On the other hand, it would be easy to move a F to the C spot and pick up another cheap Forward - of which there are many. I saved a few mil in cash for this reason, but I'll wait and see what happens.
 
27 Charlie
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      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 23:38 		Friday I will be moving from Andre Miller to J Smoove. The real decisions come on Saturday when LBJ has to go and I have extra money left afterwards....
 
28 Donkey Hunter
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      ID: 916288962
      Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 10:44 		Is anyone available to sell Lebron for me after the back to back? Saturday late/ Sunday morning? Email me please.
 
29allhair allstars
      Sustainer
      ID: 50902421
      Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 13:45 		Pro Basketball News is reporting that a trade of Bobcats forward Gerald Wallace is "imminent."
Where Wallace might land is still uncertain, though one possible destination could be Golden State in a deal involving Al Harrington. At this point nothing is done, but we will continue to update this story as it develops.
From Rotoworld
 
30Senator Urine
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      Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 14:00 		Oh man, if Wallace goes to Golden State look out.
 
31allhair allstars
      Sustainer
      ID: 50902421
      Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 16:42 		With Brad Miller returning to the starting lineup after a five-game suspension, Spencer Hawes is expected to return to the bench.
Hawes has been terrific in Miller's absence and has certainly earned playing time on the Kings front line. The only issue is that Reggie Theus inexplicably seems to feel obligated to give some minutes to Mikki Moore, and rookie Jason Thompson is also playing well. Hawes owners are advised to hang onto the young center and see how this plays out, because he could still be productive even with 25-30 minutes per game.
 
32Usual Suspects
      ID: 29521123
      Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 13:27 		After moving Lebron-Boozer, I am moving D. Rose and D. Lee. Which combo do you see as better:

A) Joe Johnson and AK-47 and tie up all 4 G slots

B) Nene and AK-47 and slide Salmons to G

I personally prefer Ak over Joe Johnson so I have to decide between Joe and Nene. I am leaning to Nene because his schedule is longer, he is C eligible, almost 3 million cheaper and perhaps most importantly, does not tie up my very valuable 4th G slot. Joe could be huge without Smith for the next 9 games though.

Any opinions?
 
33Hang Time
      Donor
      ID: 469222914
      Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 14:25 		#32

Why would you sell LBJ before tonight's game?
 
34qwert
      ID: 188411214
      Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 14:46 		pretty sure he's trading lebron after tonight's game.

US - I like B...I like Nene a lot right now and Joe Joe's always a gamble.
 
35Hang Time
      Donor
      ID: 469222914
      Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 15:51 		Joe Johnson and Boozer are definitely in my thoughts. So was Josh Smith, but that's over now. I also like Wade, Yao, etc.
 
36Usual Suspects
      ID: 29521123
      Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 16:15 		34-

Clearly after tonight's games and thanks for the insight
 
37Hang Time
      Donor
      ID: 469222914
      Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 18:18 		Almost 100% positive that I'm going:

David Lee / LBJ to J Johnson / Boozer

on Sunday morning...
 
38Mac Daddy
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      Sun, Nov 09, 2008, 08:40 		Anyone familiar with the Hawks to be able to speak about Solomon Jones?
 
39G
      Donor
      ID: 5810561615
      Sun, Nov 09, 2008, 10:31 		Moving Chalmers with Lebron for AK47 and ??. Lots of choices for the ??, just have to decide.
 
40Qwerty123
      ID: 37859112
      Sun, Nov 09, 2008, 12:36 		LeBron and Petro for Joe Johnson and Nene for me.
 
41Blooki
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      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 04:11 		Any fellow Kevin Martin owners know what the heck to do with him?
 
42Qwerty123
      Leader
      ID: 349431211
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 13:52 		That's tough having an underproducing player on a good schedule. I'd just ride it out until you need the cash, I guess.

So who are the popular cheapies today? Ridnour, Sessions, Mason, Green, Moute, Jones?
 
43G
      ID: 369542914
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 13:54 		Not a fellow owner but I would probably agree with Q123. I have been close to pulling the plug on some of my own but currently find myself glad I didn't.

Today's cheapie special for the day "drum roll" = Mason!
 
44dpr
      ID: 13443116
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 14:12 		i am in similar situation with okur as you guys are with martin. He isnt producing but is in the middle of such a good long term schedule.

He has a similar schedule to nene(tho slightly better) and at current production this gains alot of poitns while making money and saving cash. However them both producing 30 TSNP/game the rest of the way is feasible too so not sure I can expect the production difference to continue.
 
45Bluntkillers
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      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 14:15 		I wouldn't trade martin because he is not that highly owned...u won't lose that much money on him...as for me I am strongly considering trading JR for Mason today just for the money swing...I don't know though any thoughts?
 
46dpr
      ID: 13443116
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 14:17 		45: I made the same move and imagine many others will too
 
47Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 15:11 		I don't think Blooki was referring to Martins performance of late. I rather think he was referring to this.

4 of Martins last 5 games have all been over 33 TSN points, 2 over 40. Yeah, there were 2 clunkers this year, both blowout losses, and I suppose more blowouts could follow. All in all , I think he's been fine, especially considering the schedule.

 
48C. Bird
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      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 15:15 		45, 46: i did the same thing x 5
 
49deejay
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      ID: 501182710
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 15:15 		DPR:

Mehmet Okur has received permission from the Jazz to return to his native Turkey because of a family illness.
No word yet on how much time Okur will miss. The Jazz play four times this week, and it seems highly likely he'll be out for Tuesday and Wednesday's games and could miss the whole week. We'll pass along an updated timetable for his return as soon as we hear more. Paul Millsap looks to be in line for a big week in Okur's absence.
Source: Miami Herald /Rotoworld
 
50dpr
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      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 15:17 		well at least that makes it easy

thsanks deejay
 
51deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 15:19 		youre welcome.
 
52Senator Urine
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      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 16:44 		Considering picking up Marquis today but I'm nervous. I'd like to hold him past his 1 in 5, but there's the Dunleavy factor combined with what happens after a bad game or two.

Is there any news on Dunleavy whatsoever? I have no idea if this is a day to day, week to week, out a month, etc. type thing.
 
53allhair allstars
      Sustainer
      ID: 50902421
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 17:18 		FWIW, I've been hounding my source down in Indy for any local chatter and he's not been able to give me any info other that what's essentially out there in the general market, which is that Dunleavy's out indefinitely. Any new report that I've seen in the last week to 10 days has essentially been a rehashing of the same old news. Since when did the Pacers become the Pats of the NBA?
 
54Senator Urine
      ID: 106171416
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 17:25 		Yeah that article on rotoworld is so vague. There was quote in there along the lines of, "My goal is to just play basketball sometime. Anything beyond that is getting ahead of ourselves."

Marquis doesn't seem to have anyone really challenging him for the job. I have a feeling this is one of those make or break decisions. An hour and a half left...
 
55allhair allstars
      Sustainer
      ID: 50902421
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 18:05 		Well, going by sense of smell a little here, but I can’t imagine Dunleavy popping out of a hat and challenging for PT all that quickly. If the pocketed gains and the 1 in 5 don’t sway you, I don’t think a little Mike D should either. I have him and plan to hold him as long as I can manage… however long that might end up being…
 
56allhair allstars
      Sustainer
      ID: 50902421
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 18:06 		No offense to Mike D, of course. ;)
 
57Senator Urine
      ID: 106171416
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 18:17 		Maybe I'm just seeing what I want to see, but I'm hoping that 1 in 5 won't be too bad. Yeah he'll see an initial hit, but he could be bought back as early as the so called 1. My fear is that he'll suddenly stink and I'll be forced to use a trade out of him. But that's really the case with anyone I'm considering. The Milwaukee rotation seems to be very up in the air, and Redd coming back could hurt all three of their cheapies.

The plan right now is JR Smith to Mason along with the rest of the world, and probably Azubuike to Marquis. 40 minutes...
 
58G
      Donor
      ID: 5810561615
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 19:38 		Ok, so number of trades aside, is tomorrow the best day to trade Stoudemire?

With Nene, Hawes and Howard C isn't an issue
Tuesday is a light day
He has 900 owners so maximize gains
If moving to UT, Atl, Den, Mil, Sac, SA to name a few, no advatage to waiting until next week but disadvantage because those players will be higher.
Has Hou (Yao) and Det as 2 of next 4

Interesting to see what happens.
 
59dpr
      ID: 13443116
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 19:57 		with stoudemire really the only moves that wont lose you points are boozer and duncan. Every thing else at least should.

Honestly though I hadnt given moving him any thought and now you have me worried about losing money. Still I dont have Howard so that is wear I will likely move Amare
 
60qwert
      ID: 357281518
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 20:01 		I'll probably move Amare for Boozer tomorrow. I figure I have to get Boozer at some point and money and gamewise, tomorrow makes sense.

Sure hope he doesn't put up another 89 though.
 
61Senator Urine
      ID: 106171416
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 20:07 		The Amare thing is interesting. My plan all along was to move him to either Deron (if available) or Boozer yesterday, but in the end I decided against it due to fear of Boozer's low production (oops), Parker going down in SA, and because there was absolutely no chatter at all about selling Amare.

I still may go without Boozer. I know the second I get him he'll throw up a string of 30s and become one of those "under-performing guys with great schedule, so a sell-off could be any day" nightmares. And if I don't get him he'll average 55.

I'm not a big fan of any of the Amare or Duncan outs though either (already have Dwight). We'll see what happens tonight I guess.
 
62Qwerty123
      Leader
      ID: 349431211
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 20:48 		Amare to Howard on the 18th for me.
 
63dpr
      ID: 13443116
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 21:24 		stopping at duncan on the way to howard to gain a game if money loses on Amare are going to be significant is looking attractive now
 
64money4later
      ID: 2111213116
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 10:12 		Holding JR Smith for tonight's game. That loss last night hurts, but he's too good to keep struggling.
Did move Amare >>> Kidd
 
65 Scazmatic
      ID: 57105548
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 11:13 		Broke my cardinal rule last week and went with the hype in picking up JR Smith when I thought the Azuibuike train had reached the station. At the same time moved to Troy Murphy rather than Danny Granger in hopes of some cash influx. It's amazing how bad I am at this game.

Any ideas on these two? I'm probably sitting on Murphy this week to save the trade, but I don't know if Smith will rebound enough to make it worth considering riding him out. Guard options?
 
66Indy Pegs
      Leader
      ID: 04022314
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 13:46 		Dunleavy has developed a bone spur, whatever that is, and there's concern that he could be out for some time, maybe a lot.
 
67Hang Time
      Donor
      ID: 469222914
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 15:37 		Ugh. I think I'm going to take the risk and pick up Deron Williams for Steve Nash. HMMMMMmmmm...
 
68Usual Suspects
      ID: 209592715
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 18:06 		Anybody looking at Billups as a potential long term pickup today? He has been shooting terribly and still putting up pretty good fantasy numbers. Once his shot starts to fall, it could be great playing in that wide open offence. The problem is that he is in gravity. Seriously considering picking him up today.

Who's with me? :)
 
69Hang Time
      Donor
      ID: 469222914
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 18:08 		#68

I grabbed Deron Williams. So gravity / injured player here I come!
 
70Usual Suspects
      ID: 209592715
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 18:44 		Anybody looking at Billups as a potential long term pickup today? He has been shooting terribly and still putting up pretty good fantasy numbers. Once his shot starts to fall, it could be great playing in that wide open offence. The problem is that he is in gravity. Seriously considering picking him up today.

Who's with me? :)
 
71Usual Suspects
      ID: 209592715
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 18:45 		Sorry, thought I didn't post the first time
 
72Blooki
      ID: 119492312
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 18:48 		I gave Chauncey Billups a look and Brad Miller too. At the end of the day though, I felt it too risky at this point in the season to buy into a player in gravity with essentially two games played.
 
73Usual Suspects
      ID: 209592715
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 18:51 		Picked up Billups x3, let's hope I'm simply ahead of the curve on this one
 
74BoZack
      ID: 18923277
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 22:52 		Hey it has been a few years since I played TSN last and I am not 100% sure what percentage ownership is the level that gravity kicks in. I hate to make a noob post but I watch all of you discuss these things and I just feel ignorant.
 
75qwert
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      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 23:01 		this is the first year TSN has posted ownership I believe. I could be wrong...but I don't think there is a known percentage for gravity.
 
76dpr
      ID: 13443116
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 23:09 		looking at the ownership info it looks like it is about 3.3% or about 50 owners
 
77Randro
      ID: 305471010
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 14:11 		got brewer and mason for me. hopefully not too late on mason, but he seems like a guy who can average 30 a game, instead of a guy like chalmers who will be around 20..and he can be held for a few weeks