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Subject: DeeJay's GMD Gang -TP1

Posted by: deejay - Sustainer [501182710] Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 10:32

Dave R
Gescom
Florian
Usual Suspects
reebbertxx
Headless T Gunners
Ender
DeeJay

I want to welcome everyone.

Here's hope for a great season with this group.
Still need E-mails from Florian, Headless T Gunners, Usual Suspects and Ender.
Dave has agreed to run our Standings, which I want to thank him for.

My own team has gone a bit down the gutter this week, but tomorrow there are new trades.
I am extremely happy for that, especially this week.

Let's rock :)

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 10:42

deejay, I see you figured it out ;)

For those with trades and Wade, what is everyone thinking?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 10:43

Yeah, I did :)

No trades here, and also Azubuike to worry about.
Ugh.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 11:47

No Wade here, but I tend to think today is the day to fold.

For me, Briedrins -> Jamison was the plan all allong for today. The Azu incident will probably not change that. Azu has 3 days to rest and starts a golden schedule on Friday. I'm tired going in and out cheapies and his F/G is very valuable.

Next planned moves:
Nene -> Felton tomorrow
Howard - Daniels -> Biedrins - Jackson on Thursday
Augustin -> Harris next Tuesday

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 12:33

I plan on holding Biedrins through the 3 day hole. I also plan on holding Harris though his 2 game week. Yikes.

Gescom, a little curious why you plan on moving out of Daniels, I think he has been pretty solid and there doesn't seem to be any sign of Dunleavy returning.

I also wonder if DJ will last that long.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 12:53

For me obviously no moves today, but DJ is on a short leash... starting tomorrow.
Azubuike I will likely just hold as Gescom, I really need his G/F thingy.
Not sure where to go with Wade yet.
Harris is also in my plans, that is pretty obvious(Somehow).
Rasho needs to wake up or he's gone together with Augustin.

It looks like my 4 trades next week could go fast.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 13:07

Well I hope DJ will last till the end of the season, he's our team captain now...

Actually any of Foye, Daniels and DJ works along with Howard in the plan above. Depends how each plays in the next games. Out of the 3, Daniels has some slight blips in the schedule coming and this after likely non TSNP-friendly Lakers and Celtics games back to back so he may be a sell candidate but another DJ stinker may seal his fate even faster. We'll see.

Florian
ID: 272433110
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 14:25

Deejay: Thanks for picking me!

Not sure what I'm doing with Wade, Howard, Biedrins, DJ, Rasho. Want to pick up Paul on Dec. 10th. Not sure how to do that unless I sell Wade for Kobe tonight and then Kobe for Paul, but that seems like a clumsy use of an extra trade. Will sell Howard sometime in the next few days. DJ is on shaky ground. Leaning towards keeping Biedrins and Harris through their poor schedules.

Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 15:15

plans were to go:
Biedrens -> D Lee today
Harris, Mason , Hilario -> Duhon, Westbrook J Smith for tomorrow.
Convince why to keep Harris
although J Smith was tentative pending his return
Could always do Jamison instead of Smith and do
Biedrens -> Jamison today and Lee later

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 16:09

Florian:

Would Dwight to Paul work for you(12/10) ? ...in some way

HTG(to make it easier :)

Josh Smith seems a tad risky to me.
Wouldnt you want him to play at least one game, I picked up Deron(on another team) a week or 2 ago, and he promptly sat again, I still regret that move.

Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 16:57

Thanks Deejay - makes sense
switched Jamison and Smith..HJamison today Lee tomorrow

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 17:00

E-mails missing:

Headless T Gunners
Usual Suspects
Ender

Ender
ID: 5963859
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 17:11

Thanks for the pick.

I have to prepare for a real hoops game. I'll add roster thoughts later.

Florian
ID: 272433110
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 17:27

Deejay: I unfortunately don't have any GF flexibility.

Decided to go Howard to Jamison today.
Will likely trade Wade/Nesterovic to Bosh/Jackson on the 4th. If Nesterovic has two really good games will keep him and would consider Jamison to Bosh on the 7th. That trade would allow DJ or Foye to be upgraded to Paul on the 10th. No other trades planned for next week.

Will hold Biedrins and Devin Harris.

reebbertxx
ID: 91127218
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 19:28

Hey gang.
My team is kind of a mess right now. I had planned all along to get James/Sessions from Melo/Smith tomorrow.
The problem is those moves pretty much leaves out of Harris/Biedrens who both look like must haves.

So my new plan is:

Azubuike
Smith>Harris 12/05
Daniels
Granger

Anthony>Biedrens 12/05
Ariza
Jamison
Bosh

Howard>Paul 12/10,Biedrens to center
Mcgee

I'm holding Azubuike as well unless something comes out that he is seriously hurt.

I'll still have Mcgee(don't ask)to deal with but Hawes will be an easy out whenever I feel the need to make the move.

Usual Suspects
ID: 29521123
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 19:55

Thanks for the pick; glad to be back.

E-mail address is mikegodyn@hotmail.com.

Holding Biedrins though the hole, not sure what else I am doing apart from moving out of Billups/Nene.

Also thinking of going Howard-Paul on the 10th but the losses may be quite large starting Thursday

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 20:02

Thanks guys.

Headless T Gunners I still need your E-mail addy.
Thanks

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 20:35

I moved Wade to Lee tonight. Have the cash to move DJ to Paul if I want, but I don't normally buy into a 2 game week.

I'm thinking of moving DJ to Jamal Crawford in a couple days if it looks like he'll escape gravity, and then on 12/10 move Lee to Paul.

Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 20:40

email price_elliott@hotmail.com

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 20:53

Thanks

Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 23:14

O.J. Mayo or Russell Westbrook ?
Bibby and Marvin Williams also in equation

reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 23:33

Htg,

Not sure who you are moving but if you can wait 3 days I like Crawford better than Mayo. Westbrook is someone I like and worth watching but his schedule is merely ok.He is the cheapest of the bunch so he has that going for him. Marvin and Bibby are overpriced IMO though Marvin's G/F could be useful.

Headless T Gunners
ID: 54834238
Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 05:38

It's Mason who clearly needed to go yesterday
That leaves 5140 for a guard...TODAY

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 07:03

Duhon/Foye ?

Headless T Gunners
ID: 54834238
Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 07:06

got Duhon already
Foye's last 9 include a 4.5, 12.5 & 17 - Leaning toward Westbrook

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 08:17

HTG, looks like from you plan outlined above that you'll blow through all four trades by the end of the week. There's nothing wrong with banking a trade, you don't lose them.

I plan on holding Harris, and I saw at least one other team member was doing the same. That's under the assumption you'd want him back in a week. Take the $ hit and bank a trade. The same could have been said about Biedrins, but he's gone. You'll probably want him back.

You have 2 immediate trade needs, as I see it. Nene and Mason. Although I bought Lee yesterday, I'm not sure buying today makes any sense. I grabbed him with the intention of selling in a week, admittedly not very prudent. I wouldn't be surprised if the Knicks begin to bleed 12/11, and you'll have 3 with Wilson. You also have Roy that should go early next trade week.

Why not look at some better long term schedules. Westbrook is an interesting choice, but appears to be in gravity, which means you'll lose 30K per day unless he breaks. I'm not sure he will.

You also didn't mention Howard, what are your plans for him?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 08:34

Wow lost me some bucks last night.
But I still refuse to deal Dwight/Wade today.

Headless T Gunners
ID: 54834238
Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 08:46

Dave - Don't have my spreadsheets here at work
I will still have a trade banked
was planning on holding Howard until trade refresh, and both Lee and Duhon 2 more weeks even if they bleed if they continue to deliver pts per $TSNP.
I want Bosh and yes Biedrins back but there really isn't a stick out like a sore thumb team with big busy future sked coming right up.
Is There ?

Headless T Gunners
ID: 54834238
Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 08:52

Oh yeah...Harris back as well
Roy, Chandler and Howard should accomplish that

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 09:24

HTG, there are a ton of ways to play the game, none necessarily better than the next. I guess my point is, if you want Harris back, why trade him in the first place?

Sure he'll lose money, but hopefully gain it all back. If your willing to hold Lee and Duhon later, wouldn't it be the same for Harris?

One difference as I see it, while Harris's schedule gets good again soon, the Knick's gets putrid until the New Year, after 2 four game weeks. I really can't imagine holding a Knick past 12/16 as they start a 5-14 and from 12/11 it's 7-20. They better be rock solid.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 10:21

Just checking if everyone got my message.
If not let me know here, and I'll forward it again.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 14:38

The availability of Dwyane Wade (migraine headaches) is expected to be determined just before Wednesday's game against Utah.
Though Wade didn't participate in Wednesday's shootaround, coach Eric Spoelstra said that Wade is feeling better. You can't afford to leave one of Wade's explosive lines on your bench, and since odds are he'll be active, your best bet is to keep him in your lineup.
Source: Salt Lake Tribune

Wondering if I should move on???
Last game of the day...

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 14:55

Tough call DJ, what were your plans for Wade anyway. If it was to someone not playing today, you may as well hold.
Who would you get if you moved him today? And going forward, who would you want more?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 15:36

I was thinking of JJ, which obviously fits today.
Other options were Jax/Harris, which doesnt fit today.
Problem of the story: I need a Guard.... in a single move at least.

To be honest, I need to look at it all better, was waiting for any plans to see how Rasho did (last night and tonight), had no moves planned today and also wanted to see how DJ did(does)....

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 16:39

deejay, I would look one week ahead and define which guards you really want by 12/10 and what flex you need if any to make this happening. If it is between Jax and JJ from Wade, I would rather consider Jax but this can wait till tomorrow.

I've been toying around various options to load Harris, Paul, Biedrins an the likes without loosing too much by sticking with guys whose price can only go down.
I don't like that Howard - Paul transition on 12/10. Howard already lost 200k the last couple days while there was no real reason to sell, could very well leak big all week and that would be a pretty costly 'nice' transition.
So as of now, he's gone tomorrow, packaged with a tbd cheapie dictated by tonight's scores. Paul will come from another source.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 16:48

I definitely know who I want: Harris/Paul(12/10), but to work it in is another story, thought about picking up Harris tomorrow from Wade. But not wild about that.
As you say Dwight to Paul will cost money, not sure if that's worth it to me.

Leaning towards holding right now.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 17:22

Getting Harris as soon as tomorrow is something I'm considering. No way I'm gonna get both Paul and Harris by 12/10 otherwise.

reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 18:50

I'd certainly hold Harris if i had him. Like Gescom I want Paul and Harris on 12/10 and the only way it happens is if I buy on Friday.

I don't see any rotations I like involving moving Howard and ending up at Paul. I'll be eating his losses.

Deejay I think holding Wade is best. It sounds like he will play.

I'm getting more concerned about Azubuike by the day.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 07:32

Decision day for DJ Augustine. We have 5 among us, he's gone from my roster today.

I'm seriously considering Jamal Crawford. He needs 30 or so new owners to get out of gravity, I think he gets them. Can't argue with the schedule. Leaves me enough cash to get Paul on 12/10.

If it weren't for his " injury ", I think Azubuike would be a good option. I wouldn't sell at this point ( we have 3 owners ), but I wouldn't buy either. He still remains day to day with a bone bruise.

Any other options being considered?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 08:53

Thinking of Wade/DJ to a duo today.
Seems I'm going to hold Dwight and transform him into Paul on the 10th.
Azu stays for now.
Back to that duo, need to see how much I exactly have, but its around 14mil to spend...

Considering JJ/Jax/Crawford/Harris/Josh Smith.
If you dont have Biedrins then he is an option too, but I do.

Headless T Gunners
ID: 54834238
Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 09:23

Bosh ?

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 09:24

ageed, but have him already...

Florian
ID: 272433110
Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 10:55

Went DJ/Wade/Rasho to Bosh/Jackson/Crawford. That leaves me without a way into Paul on the 10th, but this combination projects to get more points than any combination involving Paul. Starting the 10th Paul plays 5 games in 8 nights followed by a 1 in 5 followed by another 5 in 8. I'll probably pick up Paul on the 23rd (for his second 5 in 8) if I haven't bought him by then.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 12:38

Kinda like Wade/DJ to Harris/Jax.
Leaves only 120k in the bank however... And Rasho is on a short leash.
Dont think I want to put myself at one trade however on a Thursday and have difficulties finding a trio I like anyways.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 16:59

So DJ has to go, so be it. Azu is staying, his day-to-day status don't bother me even if he misses one more game. He's down to 123 owners and his G/F is awfully handy for the next days.

I'm contemplating 2 plans:

A)
Today: DJ -> Biedrins
12/10: Howard -> Paul
12/12: Felton -> Harris
It is the most efficient point wise and trade conservative but awful money wise. Felton -> Harris could be done on 12/10 as well but loses a game.

B)
Today: DJ / Howard -> Harris / Biedrins
12/09: Felton -> Paul
Better money wise but projects to lose 100 points to A which is a lot.

No more Jax in the plans, strongly leaning towards A but any input welcome.
Crawford for sure is a tempting option but I just don't have a logical entry to him nor a G spot available.

Florian and deejay, your plans sound good to me.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 17:17

Gescom, simply it looks like 3 Howard vs 2 Harris games, not even factoring in when you would move Felton to Harris in plan A. You're probably right on about a 100 point swing.

The money swing could be sizable but points win.

Usual Suspects
ID: 209592715
Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 17:26

Really couldn't decide who I wanted from Billups/Nene yesterday, especially since I had to pick up one less guard so I could go Howard-Paul on the 10th.

After tonight's game, will be moving Billups/Nene-Harris and either Sjax, Butler or possible Jamison (unlikely). I like Butler more than Jamison and he can be a good long term hold for differential without pressure to sell. Leaning towards Sjax though.

Will also move Augustin, either to Azu if he is playing tomorrow or to Hawes after tomorrow's game for a long term hold.

Usual Suspects
ID: 209592715
Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 17:30

Scratch that, have to move DJ as well to afford the other two; really hoping Azu will play

reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 18:59

Gescom, I like A as well.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 19:04

I like A also more I think, but prolly with Harris coming in on the 10th.

Florian
ID: 272433110
Fri, Dec 05, 2008, 09:53

I'm rather surprised that Stephen Jackson had only 14 buys yesterday (and is only owned on a total of 51 teams). Just wondering if anyone has insight into why he didn't get more buys? I expect he'll get more buys the next few day, but I'm starting to wonder.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Dec 05, 2008, 10:04

Maybe Crawford stole some buys ( seems given two comparable options, cheaper wins out ), maybe people were scared off buy the hand injury suffered two games ago( which he played with last game ). Who knows.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Dec 05, 2008, 10:10

56-57

I was surprised too, and I found this, this morning:
Kelenna Azubuike (left foot bone bruise) took part in about 15 minutes of practice Thursday and said he's almost fully healthy. Fellow swingman Stephen Jackson, excused from practice Thursday, said Wednesday his left hand was still swollen after he injured it Nov. 26 vs. the Celtics. He missed Saturday's game vs. the Knicks and was 2-for-11 from the field vs. Miami.

Thats the 2 birds in one hand for me.
Ugh.

reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Sat, Dec 06, 2008, 01:49

What's the team consensus on Daniels? I'm inclined to hold but could be swayed. Most likely moving my bad gravity Mcgee pick to Hawes.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 06, 2008, 06:21

Thinking of Rasho to Hawes today....
Have no flex to do Marquis instead(and dont think I would, if I could), so he will stay I think.

Azu had half a point, which was lovely too.

Ender
ID: 55471420
Sat, Dec 06, 2008, 07:33

Trying to figure out what to with Iggy. I need to move Rasho, but with 2 trades I don't want or need to do it just yet.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 08:21

Did anyone watch GSW vs Spurs last night?
Jax was he only sitting because of the Blow out, or has his hand gotten worse?

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 08:28

Probably both.

I watched parts of the game, and it wasn't pretty for any Warrior.

Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 08:28

It got so bad for Golden State that Stephen Jackson took the rest of the night off to rest a bothersome arm injury with the Warriors trailing 51-34 with 6:09 left in the first half. Warriors officials announced the injury as a sprained left hand.

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 08:33

Actually maybe the hand isn't all that great:

link

For almost two weeks, Stephen Jackson has been feeling so much pain in his left hand that it has affected his ball-handling.
Golden State Warriors

It's gotten so bad he will have an MRI exam today.

"Not good at all. Not good at all," said Jackson, describing the pain from his index to ring fingers.

"I think this is the worst one because it's dealing with my hands. Any time I get hit on it, I get affected by it the rest of the game."

A hit came in the second quarter of Saturday's 123-88 loss to the Spurs. It was on a pick-and-roll, causing Jackson, who played 14 minutes and scored six points, to sit out the second half.

"It's not a jammed-finger kind of pain," he said. "I'm already playing with one broken bone in my foot. I don't think I can deal with two."

He added: "I don't want to hurt my team or hurt myself.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 08:44

Thanks for the info.
That indeed dont sound good.
I guess I will have to move him then with my last trade. Ugh.
Calderon (or Granger) make most sense I think.
Kinda like VC too, but that doesnt make much sense today.
Two horrible weeks for my team are this.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 08:59

Let me add, that Im not really wild about either.
Might like VC the most of that trio in the end, but then I can almost better keep Jax and pray he somehow plays tomorrow.
103 owners...

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 09:13

deejay, whatever you do, make sure you have the flex to move Howard to Paul ( I think that was your plan ).

I have Jackson on a couple teams and have to move him to a G/F only or I can't move Howard to Paul. I'm not sure what to do on those teams.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 09:43

Thanks for the reminder Dave, but still have Azu who is giving me that flex, Jax is my 2nd G/F which I thought it would come in handy.
He is at G, so I always need a Guard.

For you: Granger/Azubuike are 2 GFs, not sure what your thoughts are on them.
Granger seems a tad risky to me today, Boston and 1in4, so he might lose cash tomorrow.

Florian
Dude
ID: 034815289
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 10:27

Unless I hear Jackson's definitely out, I'm going to hold. He ownership is quite low so he shouldn't lose too much money. If he's definitely going to be out, I'll trade him for Vince Carter. Since Carter's next game isn't until the 10th, there is no rush to make a trade right now.

Usual Suspects
ID: 29521123
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 11:00

Holding Sjax; I have a feeling he keeps playing

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 11:11

I reduced my choices to hold or get Calderon.
2 more hours to ponder...

Ender
ID: 55471420
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 12:54

Went Iggy to Ridnour. Leave me dough to go Daniels to Paul if I choose. I'm not necessarily convinced I'll do that, but at least I have the option.

Probably going to hold Dwight.

Usual Suspects
ID: 209592715
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 12:55

Deejay, for what it's worth, I like Calderon as a pickup. Just make sure you prefer him to VC for the longer term

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 12:58

Gonna go ahead and get Calderon...

US: That was my main dilemma, but Jax that really doesnt sound good to me, so gonna move on...

Ender
ID: 55471420
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 15:16

Calderon is looking pretty good for you today.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 15:28

yeah, I find we deserve it, with all those Jax's :)

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 15:47

Nice move deejay

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 16:01

I hope my magic also works on our 6 Marquis'.

Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 21:52

This Daniels is alive again really cuts into my plans
Need to send him packing if I'm to get Paul
Plan was Daniels-Roy-Chandler and Howard at refresh for
Harris-Paul-Biedrins? and Hawes

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 08:16

Myself I'm not sure what to do with Chandler starting 12/10.
Under 4.5 mil, the Forward (or C) options are rather sad.(Have Hawes already)... And most likely wont have enough cash to grab Nene.
Looked at Yi/Lopez, but they dont really excite me.
Thornton I kinda like, but that is rather short...
Ariza that is too late I find.

In a perfect world I would keep Wilson till 12/17, but that is likely going to cost me (too much) money.

Am I missing an option?

Florian
ID: 272433110
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 10:45

Looks like Jackson going to be out for some time. Wish I realized this two days ago. Will trade Jackson for Calderon.

Only trade I currently have scheduled for next week is Chandler for Hawes on the 11th.

Deejay: I looked for alternate cheap forward options as well and other than Hawes couldn't find any good ones (otherwise I might have packaged Bynum with Jackson for Paul and a cheapie). I'd prefer Lopez over Yi, but not sure if they will be popular enough to make it out of gravity. You could consider going ultracheap and picking up Bonner.

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 11:24

What about Q Rich ?

Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 11:26

Team poll: Do you guys consider that getting Hawes on Thursday is too late and that I should plan all along without him ?

Florian
ID: 272433110
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 12:01

I'm planning to pick up Hawes on Thursday as well.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 12:02

87,88

Hawes I already have...
And Lopez seems too pricey for what he does, plus Boone is said to be back, would Lopez have been a mil less, then sure, but now I'm really not excited.
I might just hold Chandler, I am thinking.
I do consider Miles.
Bonner I havent really looked at, but I will now you mention him.

89

Dont think it is too late in this case.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 12:03

88

Not wild about QBrick. :)

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 12:05

How about Azu, Simmons or Joey Graham as cheap options ( g/f to boot )

reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 12:36

I see nothing wrong with getting Hawes on Thursday.

DJ, I have Chandler on another team and I think he may be ok to hold into next week just because of the lack of options. I would just hold unless someone you really want emerges.

I really would like to keep Howard and find another way into Paul.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 12:40

I would certainly consider Azu.... if i didnt have him yet.
Simmons seems a 15 guy, price is sweet however, since he is about to be a 500k'er.
Already have 2 Raptors, not sure I want a third, but he could be an option for someone else.
Might like Bonner.....
Hawes/Bonner, what a C duo :)

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 12:41

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Leaning towards holding, but that can be different tomorrow :)

Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 16:07

Deejay
You may bleed some cash but holding Wilson good pointswise (If he can stay out of foul trouble)
I caught up to a lot of people by holding this week.
Besides, I hear that TSNP is almost as good as RV :)

Usual Suspects
ID: 209592715
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 18:48

Considered holding Dwight but I don't think it is the right move for me. After a lot of debating, am most likely making the following moves:

SJax- Carter
Dwight-Paul
Duhon- Nene

Hoping to conserve some trades by getting onto some long term holds. Was looking at Duncan and Butler as well but chose Carter/Nene as a better combo than either with a lower priced guard. I also personally like Carter more than Calderon, especially since 3 of his first 4 games are vs. NY, Tor, Tor.

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 21:09

My Calderon move looking a lot worse today :(

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Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 22:16

For those in need I think Josh Smith is about ready to grab

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 22:44

If you like less than two week holds...

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Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 22:53

Dave
Until the New year, that's pretty much the deal
No team's sked sticks out as a must have
at some point, the object still is to pick up as many as points as possible

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Ender
ID: 55471420
Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 23:52

I like SMith, but he own't get 20 TSNP in blocks and steals every night.

I may actually get to bank 3 or 4 trades this week! We'll see what happens.

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reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Wed, Dec 10, 2008, 00:01

I'm a huge Smith fan and would love to have him. I just don't have the room for him. You don't have Bosh so I like the idea of getting Smith for that slot.

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Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Wed, Dec 10, 2008, 04:22

Funny thing is - won't be having him this time around
Funnier still - not agreeing with Dave
who finishes in front of me every year :)

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 10, 2008, 07:19

Hey, just me. I don't think I'd want to pick up a player like Josh, who's really only had one good game since returning from injury and who starts a 1-5 in less than 2 weeks( 1-4 if you discount 12/24 ), and who's price is rather lofty. There are better options IMO. Based on his +80K last night, maybe I'm wrong.

Today, for me, it's Lee => Paul

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 10, 2008, 08:56

I am going to go Dwight to Paul.

Leaning towards holding Chandler today, since I cant get the one want (Nene)
Not wild about my other options.
a F and/or C under 4.32 I would need.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Wed, Dec 10, 2008, 12:07

Felton / Dwight -> Harris / Paul.
Tomorrow Ariza -> Hawes. Money-dictated move more than anything. I would like to protect the million I've made on Ariza.
Saturday Bynum -> Nene
Tuesday Foye -> Rose or Rondo. I hope Foye doesn't bleed too much this week.

Other thoughts: Highly-owned Bosh needs to pick it up or he will be tough to keep till the end of his schedule. Butler could be a nice exit. For now, I'm inclined to sell Paul for the 1-in-5 to Howard and get Paul back from either Bosh if he still there or Jamison who has been a bit sub-par lately.

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Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Wed, Dec 10, 2008, 12:08

My plan was Daniels-Roy-Chandler and Howard for Harris-Paul-Biedrins and Hawes
(leaving 1 trade but all 4 needed at next refresh) and this roster:
Duhon-Harris-Paul-Westbrook
Lee-Ariza-Biedrins-Jamison
Bynum-Hawes

A 2nd plan has emerged: (No Paul however)
Roy-Chandler and Howard for Harris-Biedrins-Hillario
then Westbrook & Lee tomorrow for Rondo & C Butler

New Roster (only one trade needed at refresh)
Duhon-Harris-Daniels-Rondo
Butler-Ariza-Biedrins-Jamison
Bynum-Hillario

Any thoughts ?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 10, 2008, 12:22

109

Was looking at Butler too, it frees 2mil, and Butler produces as good, if not better. But that would be not for tomorrow, since Washington plays Boston.
Bosh always does this to me, playing out of his mind when I don't own him.

110

Skipping Paul doesn't seem like the best plan ever to me.
You go fast with your trades too. Be careful.

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Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Wed, Dec 10, 2008, 15:38

Wasn't planning on running down in the trade department
Early mistakes kind of painted me into this corner and I needed to catch up pointwise.
But here I am nonetheless.
The last 14 day production would net lineup two about 57 less points over the next 7 days but would net RV and bank 2 extra trades (but leave me tradeless way too early this week)
but no PAUL

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reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Wed, Dec 10, 2008, 18:23

HTG, I agree with Deejay about not having Paul.

Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't see holding Paul through his 1 in 5 as a big deal if you are short on trades.

Could be a good way to get ahead of the trade curve by just getting Paul and forgetting about him.

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reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Wed, Dec 10, 2008, 18:32

I made the Howard to Paul move today. The only other move I'm looking to make is getting out of Ariza. The options are really underwhelming.

I do have the flex to go to Berea tomorrow if I want. Any of you guys have any interest in him?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Wed, Dec 10, 2008, 19:28

reebb:

Barea is on my radar, but for this team, I dont think I can fit him in. Unless Marquis starts to stink a bunch.

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Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Wed, Dec 10, 2008, 22:46

As I wrote earlier
That Josh Smith sucks :)
went the Paul way by the way

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Ender
ID: 55471420
Wed, Dec 10, 2008, 23:39

Umm, yeah, that banking trades thing aint happenin' this week. I thought I'd be able to move Rasho only (finally), but now I have to deal with Lee and Felton.

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reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 00:34

I'm considering going a few different directions.

A. Just move Ariza to Barea tomorrow and standing pat for the rest of the week.

B. Using two trades tomorrow Packaging Granger and ariza to get Nenee/Rose. My window should hold if I wait until after Arizas' game on friday to go to Nenee.

C.Trading Granger and Ariza tomorrow for Butler and Barea.

Leaning towards C. at the moment as I have had enough of Granger and Ariza should go tomorrow to protect rv gains. It's also the most efficient of the 3. B. is probably best for rv only but may lose a few points to C. if Barea is to be believed in.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 06:30

I like A and C reebb.
Depends how tired you are of granger, have him on another team, and think I will hold him, sched is still nice and the flex too.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 07:51

Ariza has a "sell me" tattoo all over his body.

Foye has a "keep me, I love McHale's system and he loves me" tattoo - ok that's a long tattoo - all over his body.

In tattoos I believe.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 07:55

I got in the 60 mil Club, I like that club :)

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 09:00

HTG, going to one trade is dangerous on Wednesday, now Lee appears to be headed to the dreaded " day to day " list. Bad schedule to boot.

Ariza owners, What are your plans. No Hawes, easy transition. Those trading and need a F, good luck. Maybe a cheap G/F ( Simmons, Azu, Graham ) or possibly Bonner.

Florian, looks like you and I were the only team deejay owners to bite on Crawford, are you growing as tired of him, as I am? I'm very tempted to bail, inspite of his golden schedule.

Is Barea someone to consider at this point, or fools gold? Josh Howard is " out indefinatley", whatever that means. Antoine Wright is back as of last game, which didn't seem to have much impact on Barea, but who knows.

Anyway, I am considering:

1) Crawford => Rondo, one less game over two weeks, but at Crawford's recent level, Rondo projects better. Should make some $$. Can be held into the middle of January, far longer than Crawford, especially with his recent play.

2) Crawford => Barea, defiantley a $ maker as well, probably loses points. Leaves some cash on the table for future use

3) Crawford/Daniels => Barea/Rondo

4) Substitute Azu in for Barea in the above

5) Do nothing

Any thoughts?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 09:21

1 or 2, I would do.
Dont really see the need of selling Marquis right now.
Azu neither since he gives flex.

If I had the flex I would do Chandler to Barea, but I dont, so I think hes just gonna stay.
Have Hawes and dont like any of those 4mil F(C) dudes.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 09:24

Well, I asn't thinking of selling Azu, I was thinking of buying him.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 09:44

Ah, okay I misread.
Jax is back however.
Think I stand by my answer, dont see the need of selling Marquis.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 10:27

Dave

1) by far. I love Rondo. I think he's going to make a fortune over the next 2 weeks with multiple buy-in dates and he can be a great long term hold.

I'm not too fond about Barea. He'll gain in the short term for sure but I think he may turn into the next Augustin. It seems to me that Dallas has declared Howard out indefinately to give him some breathe confort so he's not expected back at every game. Barea could be only a week hold.

Azu, I just love him for his flex and he can make decent money over the next week but if that means dumping Daniels, it's seems uncessary and lateral to me.

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Florian
ID: 272433110
Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 11:09

Dave: I too am sick of Crawford. I agree with the plan to sell him for Rondo. That means 2 of 3 Golden St. players (Jackson) bought for the long-term last week have now been sold.

Not really convinced I want Barea on my team as I don't think Howard will be out all that much longer.

I'd buy Simmons before Azubuike as he is 1 million cheaper, can't really lose money and has a better schedule.

I was going to sell Chandler for Hawes, but Ariza has this giant "Sell Me" sign on him, so he's gone.

Debating on whether I want to sell Chandler for either Bonner or Simmons, but after his 46 point outburst last night I'm likely going to keep him.

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Florian
ID: 272433110
Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 11:18

And I plan to hold Foye as it looks like McHale is intent on giving him lots of playing time.

I'm sick of Bosh's poor production as well, but his schedule is too good to sell him yet.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 11:54

Debating on whether I want to sell Chandler for either Bonner or Simmons, but after his 46 point outburst last night I'm likely going to keep him.

These are the only 2 I would also consider...
But still leaning towards holding Wilson.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 12:05

Sounds like the consensus is Crawford => Rondo. I've had my eye on him for a while anyway, so this just gives me the option to go for it now.

I also agree on Barea, but the money is tempting. I have other teams I can get him on, maybe from Ariza, that will quench my thirst for the next DJ Augustin. I really think Wright's return will have more impact than people think, regardless on how long Howard is out.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Dec 12, 2008, 06:35

Ended up going Chandler to Simmons last night...

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reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Fri, Dec 12, 2008, 10:23

I was really sick yesterday and totally out of it. So I mistakenly traded Azubuike instead of Ariza Berea. I'm going to just move Ariza today for Nenee because my window is only 30k.

On top of that I might not have power for 3 days because of a big ice storm, so I won't have time to do any planning.

Sorry guys.

139

Ender
ID: 551101116
Fri, Dec 12, 2008, 19:05

I'm sorry I haven't been more vocal so far. It just seems like every decision people are trying to make is off my radar. Looking at ownership, the only high % guys I have are Paul and Foye. I haven't Ariza for even a day for example.

I'll try and do a better job of putting myself your shoes and giving some feedback.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Fri, Dec 12, 2008, 19:16

(Both) Apologies accepted :)

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 13, 2008, 07:23

I am really tired of Bosh, but there is not really anywhere to go. :(

142

Gescom
ID: 58115164
Sat, Dec 13, 2008, 07:27

Bosh is gone, probably to Nowitzki. Bosh just seems to have lost a lot with the new head coach

143

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Sat, Dec 13, 2008, 07:31

Nowitzki/Butler I was indeed looking at, but that both loses a game... of course at Bosh's current pace....

145

Ender
ID: 55471420
Sat, Dec 13, 2008, 10:00

Anyone have more info on Dwight Howard? TSN has him saying it's not serious. It looks like I'm the only guy still holding him so there ay not be a lot of money to los, but if he sits it defeats the whole purpose of holding him while everyone else dumped him.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sat, Dec 13, 2008, 12:57

Ender, you may be the only one still " holding " Howard. But I'm the genius who decided to give up a Bosh game and buy back in early to Howard.

Looked like a brilliant move for half a game last night, but now....

Unfortunately I won't be around to monitor lineups tonight so I'm not sure what to do.

I had also planned on Bynum => Nene tonight, but I'm not sure if that's all worth it. No games are gained though Christmas.

147

Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Sat, Dec 13, 2008, 15:07

Juan Dixon

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Ender
ID: 4710152919
Sat, Dec 13, 2008, 18:55

Rotten timing, Dave, to say the least. I'm hoping he plays tonight (and beyond of course).

As for the other move, if you don't gain games it's probably not worth it. If you think he'll out point him on average then I guess depends on how much.

149

Ender
ID: 4710152919
Sat, Dec 13, 2008, 20:50

He's not in the lineup tonight. I don't have time to make an informed trade so I'll deal with it and figure it out tomorrow. If I had 2 trades I might go to Biedrins, but I'll sit and come up with a master plan.

152

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Dec 15, 2008, 07:34

Looks like our two Howard owners ( myself included ) shed him yesterday, seems he's doubtful to questionable tonight. Bosh to Howard early didn't work our for me, and now Bosh seems to have it back together. Bah.

So I guess the Paul to Howard move is up in the air. Especially if Howard does sit tonight, so I may just hold Paul. Maybe by Thursday better info will be out, but I'm not sure the risk is worth it. Plus his first two games are vs SA and LAL, not that anyone can really derail Superman.

Maybe it's better to have him get a few games under his belt. Playing every other day there are easy entry's in to him.

Looks like Stuckey is the next addition to consider as moves to him from Duhon, Daniels ( maybe even Barea, depending on tonight) will be popular.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Mon, Dec 15, 2008, 07:38

Let me add, I fully expect the Magic to be cautious with him, be it tonight or otherwise. So I guess if he plays/sits tonight or is deemed ready by Thursday, the team will be convinced he is 100% and no chance of permanent injury is possible. Not to say, future incidents like this weekend could happen.

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deejay
ID: 481150155
Mon, Dec 15, 2008, 08:36

Likely do Marquis to Stuckey as early as tomorrow.
Agree on Howard, that is not the end of the world to wait a few games should he sit again tonight.

155

Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Mon, Dec 15, 2008, 16:53

Dwight Howard is not likely to play in Monday's game against the Warriors due to a sore left knee

Orlando Sentinel late Mon Afternoon

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Dec 16, 2008, 08:15

I was contemplating moving Daniels today to Stuckey, giving up a Daniels game. The optimum date for that would be 12/21, getting 3 Daniels games to 2 for Stuckey.

Daniels performance last night has given me reason to pause. I hate to miss out on 5 days of gains by Stuckey. Of course a lousy start to the week by him could derail his train also. But I think he's the real deal.

For those with Foye or Duhon, today or tomorrow makes sense. Any thoughts on an early exit of Daniels?

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 16, 2008, 08:31

I'm torn right now.
Thinking it has to do with Washington, and Stuckey plays them tomorrow, BUT Marquis plays GSW.

Dwight not playing kind of changes it all.
And there is Bosh/Calderon of which I'm not really satisfied, despite a little sprint towards the end of the game last night.

For me Calderon to Stuckey on 21 would work too.
But as you say Dave, that is missing gains.

Camby might be someone I like today.

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Usual Suspects
ID: 29521123
Tue, Dec 16, 2008, 13:40

I would think the money gains would make Daniels-> Stuckey worthwhile today.

For me, Rasho and Duhon have to go. Ideally, I would pick up Stuckey and Rondo but I can only get 1 guard. Looking at picking up Perkins and Stuckey.

This leaves me 3.4 million to deal with Hawes down the line; guess I will unfortunately have to pass on Rondo this time around.

Tentatively still planning on doing the Paul-Howard triangle if I hear he is playing for sure Thursday night.

160

reebbertxx
Dude
ID: 561124720
Tue, Dec 16, 2008, 14:31

I think I'm going to go ahead and make the Barea to Stuckey trade. Holding Daniels for 5 more days allows me more options when I package him with Granger.

Still undecided on Bosh to Camby. I have to figure out what I want to do down the line before I make that trade.

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Dec 16, 2008, 17:03

Foye -> Stuckey as planned.

Contemplating Daniels -> Rondo tomorrow. Doing it Sunday would gain a Daniels game but that assumes it's the 35+ Daniels who shows up this week, not the 14 one. And money wise tomorrow is definitevely better.

I'm planning to skip Wade for the foreseable future.
I'm planning to skip Howard until he's proven to be Howard again so that likely means holding Paul through the 1-in-5.

US, what's wrong with Hawes ? I'm planning to hold him well beyond the new Year.

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Headless T Gunners
ID: 4173916
Tue, Dec 16, 2008, 17:19

After much head pounding
I will keep Paul, Bynum & Ariza
So just Duhon/Westbrook -> Rondo/Stuckey
No Nowitzki or Butler

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 16, 2008, 17:44

Team, you have mail.

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deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 16, 2008, 17:46

162

that I find a good plan, you might as well keep your 2 Lakers past Xmas. Not much to gain there at this point.

165

Usual Suspects
ID: 29521123
Tue, Dec 16, 2008, 17:46

Gescom- Hawes scares me with the 2 in 7, 3 in 9 and 4 in 12 combined with very high ownership. Holding is still an option; I am undecided but like to have a good amount of cash on hand just in case

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Gescom
Leader
ID: 520461315
Tue, Dec 16, 2008, 17:53

US I only see a 1-in-4 around Christmas. Days where no one plays don't count.

167

Usual Suspects
ID: 29521123
Tue, Dec 16, 2008, 17:57

Fair enough; I hear what you're saying but am scared that other people will see all the red and sell causing a chain reaction, especially since his first red square is on a Sunday the day before playing San Antonio. I hope you're right because I would love to hold

168

deejay
Sustainer
ID: 501182710
Tue, Dec 16, 2008, 20:03

Did Marquis/Bosh to Camby/Stuckey.
Fingers crossed.

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Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Dec 17, 2008, 07:26

If you are unsure what the column header means, hover over it with your mouse.
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Rank	GurupieName	LSWP0	LSWP	LSWP5	WWR	FV	Cash	RV	FVC	Trades
1	Headless T Gunners-450	2480.5	216.5	2480.5	155	56.80	1.12	55.68	0.09	2
2	Ender-1720	2431.5	138.5	2431.5	120	55.89	3.56	52.33	0.00	4
3	deejay-83	2384	111	2384	155	61.60	6.62	54.98	0.30	4
4	Gescom-959	2360.5	92	2360.5	171	60.88	5.78	55.10	0.22	4
5	reebbertxx-1440	2351	130.5	2351	264	60.29	1.47	58.82	0.30	4
6	Florian-1404	2243.5	49.5	2243.5	309	60.65	8.98	51.67	0.02	4
7	Usual Suspects-1250	2218	131.5	2218	203	58.52	0.98	57.54	0.05	4
8	Dave R-661	2214	110.5	2214	395	63.64	3.54	60.10	0.24	6

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