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Subject: 2009-10 Week 1 starting Trading Thread


  Posted by: CJ - Leader [499271021] Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 18:08

Hate to bother anyone with this but did want to put it out there and get some advice on what to do.......
I forgot to set my roster before 11 PM eastern last night....therefore I will NOT get my 4 trades next Tuesday. Basically from my mind I feel like throwing in the towel and have requested a refund and have decided to say the hell with this game for this year. Reason is they have the argument ..... if I did not set a roster last night then I am somehow getting an advantage on seeing or riding the price movers......problem with that is NO price moves yet so in my mind the rule should read having your roster set by tonight at 11 as it is the last time to set rosters before the first price moves.
So I ask all of you what should I do as an answer from TSN will not come till after tonight as it will then be two days with no points or a valid roster and I know Paul at least will be nice to have and a nice price mover. How do I salvage this horrible start. I do not mind missing the points from last night but again tonight then no trades for two weeks.....LOL They can have the teams back then right?
 
1Jubo
      ID: 40913911
      Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 19:04
You are in a tough spot. If they won't refund your money you might as well put your lineups in for tonight. On the other hand, if you put your rosters in tonight, your odds of getting your money back just went to zero. Good luck with that one!
 
2Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 19:06
I'm not sure why they would consider refunding your money. You purchased their product and their rules were there to read. I really doubt they issue a refund but anything is possible.

If I was you I'd probably find some players because I doubt your chances of getting a refund are good.
 
3deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 19:09
Why dont you play Challenge CJ if you really feel like playing, not getting 4 trades is a real disadvantage, it will suck.

Ask a refund or credits for trades (challenge aka Basic)
 
4CJ
      Leader
      ID: 499271021
      Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 19:10
Agree to both post I am putting line ups in as I type this....missed ORL players on the last team but hec...differentiation right....LOL
 
5CJ
      Leader
      ID: 499271021
      Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 19:13
3 deejay I will see where I end up with having 4 less trades this year NOT like I am a stud owner each year...I just like trash talking and competing with all of you so in the end what is my problem....4 less trades for me...Ha Ha Ha will it really matter for me..LOL Probably not
I suck real bad at the franchise value near the end of the year and that is my number one pitfall with this game.
I am picking guys from teams I will have to let run for at least two weeks...still do not understand why waiting one day gains me anything? No price changes yet!
 
6deejay
      Sustainer
      ID: 501182710
      Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 19:21
Sure mate, I was just saying, I would prolly also just play if I were in your situation, it is a challenge, if you win now, youll be remembered forever :)
 
7Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 19:27
4 trades is nothing. I waste at least 10 a year picking up guys that suck or get hurt immediately. Avoid those and you'll catch up with no issue :)
 
8CJ
      Leader
      ID: 499271021
      Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 19:27
LOL yep I will play just was not happy abotu it lst night for sure. Getting a hang of the new format and the first time I looked at the format I was going to pick my teams....well spent that time locating where to go...LOL and did not complete lineups then missed it last night.
Duhon or Robinson
 
9CJ
      Leader
      ID: 499271021
      Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 19:30
ha ha or....Chandler which is who I wwent with.
6 and 7
I picked a lot of NO, PHO, NYK, and MIN players...should be fun! Okay back to the game
 
10 Fantasy Freak
      ID: 239462817
      Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 19:46
I did the same thing last year. I was working too much and didn't know they changed the rules.
They declined my request for a refund. It sucked the first couple of weeks as I watched my opponents make trades and build up RV and points on me. But, I played the team out and still won $40. It is a long season.
 
11kentucky indians
      ID: 23238286
      Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 22:08
I left Lebron James off one of my teams.... I think that team needs to get a refund too..
 
12Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 01:03
This is a dumb question but can someone tell me where the player by player daily price changes can be found- all I can seem to find is the full list of price changes for all players and my total price change? I guess I could look up each of my players individually but I am not going to do that every night.Thanks.
 
13money4later
      ID: 2111213116
      Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 01:15
To see your players' price changes:
On the right-hand side, there is a drop-down arrow which says "Stats View". Click the arrow and it should give you some drop-downs to chose from. Chose "Financials" and it will show you most recent price changes for your roster.
 
14CJ
      Leader
      ID: 499271021
      Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 07:53
Price movers are weak. Maybe it is the first night and not much movement huh? Might we see more swings in the coming days? I feel like tunnel vision when looking at my team....hope more features are given or I get used to this...I liked the old format by far and the live update to me is useless....it is not live!
 
15Donkey Hunter
      Leader
      ID: 916288962
      Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 08:39
Could be worse. I just found out I am not getting trades next week from this thread.
 
16CJ
      Leader
      ID: 499271021
      Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 09:19
eeeewww well I found out in here as well in the first nights thread. I find it to be a rule that is not necessary but in the meantime they are missing so much other stuff. As if they are policing for a small few who like to hold off with getting their rosters set (NOT ME...NEVER HAVE) but not we serve the penalty and in the end it puts a bad taste in me for this game with this site. I am going to happily leave if I get my refund. No DOUBT! It is not just that I missed getting my roster set it is this format is not what it was last year and I am Dissatisfied with the product I purchased and requested a refund before I set my roster. So much of the changes which I do not see any benefits from.....yet we lost so much of great value in the game with team links from a player and price movers screen with list of hot and cool price movers and value list. They dumped soooo much ........and all of this from people that wanted to drop the game. So they went from dropping the game to totally revamping the whole format.
 
17Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 10:48
Don't think I have experienced a stretch like this: no players in one day, 10 guys the next, no one again, then full team again
 
18CJ
      Leader
      ID: 499271021
      Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 11:16
They did it. I got a full refund and my teams are removed. Thank You TSN as I do not think there is another way I can imagine I would have quit this game. kind of have been addicted to it for years and really needed to stop playing it. So with this new interface and my message to TSN letting them know my dissatisfaction and then not getting but 4 trades for the first two weeks....a JOKE....that that is more important than providing a user friendly interface on day one. They gave me a refund so I have to say nice to see they are nice enough to do that. One good positive the communication is pretty good and response times seem to be fair. I did place a roster together last night just in case. Will miss it at times but do not need it and especially when I feel like I am in a tunnel when I am navigating to look at data dealing with my team or potential players.
Good luck guys and no real threat here....with me being gone...LOL
 
19Florian
      ID: 549221910
      Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 10:56
Are ownership numbers for individual players available either on the TSN site or somewhere else?
 
20Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 11:19
You can see it on the "buy player" page by selecting "Financial History" in the second dropdown menu. Then you have to scroll the display to the right in order to see the ownership numbers (formatting is awful). Then click on the column heading for ownership to get it sorted by ownership. Then scroll to the right again.

Channing Frye has the highest ownership with 620 (49%). LeBron has the second highest ownership at 598 (47%).
 
22ki @ work
      ID: 2836246
      Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 12:26
looks like gravity conveniently kicks in a 1%.
 
23A Lurker
      ID: 579473019
      Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 21:51
Hope this helps. It would seem you have a week from opening night.



http://www.sportingnews.com/cancellation
 
24Allwell
      ID: 32050210
      Sun, Nov 01, 2009, 11:41
LBJ to mello today?
Also thinking of upgrading c.lee already... Maybe to Marc Gasol.
Oh happy trigger finger. Couldnt even make it a week
 
25V-2
      ID: 541052110
      Sun, Nov 01, 2009, 11:54
James to Melo or Dwight is my dilema, 1 hour to decide.
 
26Jubo
      ID: 40913911
      Sun, Nov 01, 2009, 12:02
Dwight to Paul x 3 for me
 
27Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Sun, Nov 01, 2009, 12:57
Interesting.

You are trading Howard, after 2 monster games, to Paul, who has had 2 games at less than expected totals.
 
28Jubo
      ID: 40913911
      Sun, Nov 01, 2009, 14:17
My bad. I meant to say Lebron to Paul x 3
 
29Jeddi
      ID: 561026116
      Sun, Nov 01, 2009, 17:26
Getting Ariza and Aaron Brooks.
 
30Allwell
      ID: 179202913
      Tue, Nov 03, 2009, 13:08
Need to get rid of C. Landry. Have 3.00 for any position. Who will be the price movers today?
 
31Headless T Gunners
      ID: 09261319
      Tue, Nov 03, 2009, 15:33
You're just short of Brandon Jennings and Andray Blatche...
Assuming that you already have Frye and Gallinari
then it looks like:
Marreese Speights of Philly at 2080
 
32Allwell
      ID: 179202913
      Wed, Nov 04, 2009, 15:54
M. Webster to Brewer today... Ride the $$$ train!
 
33Jubo
      ID: 40913911
      Wed, Nov 04, 2009, 17:18
Does anybody know how long it takes TSP to update player eligibility positions? I have CDR and can only keep him if he gains forward eligibility in the next 4 days. I though I saw somewhere a player must start at a position 5 times to gain eligibility at that position. After tonight, CDR will have started 5 games at Forward. I was wondering if anyone knew in past years how long it takes until they actually add the new position to a player.
 
34kentucky indians
      ID: 23238286
      Wed, Nov 04, 2009, 19:02
Jubo,
Last year updates were very quick -- like the very next day .... This year with a different system, we will have to see.
 
35Florian
      ID: 549221910
      Thu, Nov 05, 2009, 17:55
from Rotoworld:

Chris Douglas-Roberts-G- Nets Nov. 5 - 3:31 pm et

Chris Douglas-Roberts is not traveling with the Nets to Philadelphia for Friday's game against the 76ers as he struggles with flu-like symptoms.
No word yet on whether or not he will play, but per league policy, he will need to remain quarantined for 24 hours, so consider him doubtful. If he can't go, Terrence Williams will likely start again in his place.
Source: Newark Star-Ledger

Now what?? Sell?? Hope he plays on the 6th or 7th then hold through the three days off?
 
36Headless T Gunners
      ID: 09261319
      Thu, Nov 05, 2009, 18:37
Martin-G- Kings Nov. 5 - 6:08 pm et

An MRI revealed today that Kevin Martin has a displaced hairline fracture in his (non-shooting) left wrist.

The team says treatment options are "being evaluated." It is unclear at this point how many games Martin will miss.



 
37Senator Urine
      ID: 348262116
      Thu, Nov 05, 2009, 19:22
I wonder who the top gainers and losers are going to be with the lack of games tonight.
 
38Headless T Gunners
      ID: 09261319
      Thu, Nov 05, 2009, 20:50
With Raps sked and his game last night
Barg's gotta fly
 
39money4later
      ID: 2111213116
      Thu, Nov 05, 2009, 21:27
I was hoping to hold CDR, even through their sched gap. Ugh Maybe have to re-think things...
 
40deraynman
      ID: 169542817
      Thu, Nov 05, 2009, 22:21
CDR > Pecherov for 6 or 7 games. I don't like it, but I had no cash and didn't want to waste two trades.
 
42Blooki
      Sustainer
      ID: 449292712
      Thu, Nov 05, 2009, 22:36
FWIW, I went CDR -> Pecherov.
 
43kentucky indians
      ID: 23238286
      Thu, Nov 05, 2009, 23:28
FWIW.... I held CDR... determined this year to not waste trades on cheapies.
 
44Headless T Gunners
      ID: 181117294
      Fri, Nov 06, 2009, 06:22
KI
was planning the same but in the end averted the blood letting
which will continue unabated if the news continues
and you too will bail my son, you too will bail
a couple hundred thousand short!
 
45ki @ work
      ID: 2836246
      Fri, Nov 06, 2009, 08:50
nope.... leaving for the weekend right from work.... not even gonna look at the team till Sunday night... then the FIRST thing I'm gonna look at is the 6! trades I have to do something with when the time is right. CDR is gonna play a lot of minutes in the next couple weeks/months.
 
46Allwell
      ID: 32050210
      Sat, Nov 07, 2009, 16:38
C. Lee to J Thompson.
Scary thought, but I cant bring myself to get dampier.
Damn those dnp nets!
 
48Dave R
      ID: 59192815
      Sat, Nov 07, 2009, 17:41
Kentucky Indians is going to be thrilled he held CDR
 
49Comic Book Guy
      ID: 20817160
      Sat, Nov 07, 2009, 23:21
We were expecting CDR's value to increase Thursday because of SF (small forward). Instead his value plummeted because of a different SF entirely!
 
50money4later
      ID: 2111213116
      Sat, Nov 07, 2009, 23:52
Been 2-3 years since I've seen my Kings play that well. Actually looked like a determined TEAM.
 
51damoose
      ID: 181042723
      Sun, Nov 08, 2009, 00:42
I kept cdr can only hope his price goes
back up eventually...too late to jump on
sell train

 
52qwert
      Sustainer
      ID: 2910242819
      Sun, Nov 08, 2009, 09:33
Pretty great for everyone that sold CDR that he'll most likely be 500K and healthy by Wednesday.
 
53Allwell
      ID: 32050210
      Sun, Nov 08, 2009, 11:30
rondo to westbrook for me... cant wait to get cdr back from blatche wed
 
54marsvolta34
      ID: 471026811
      Sun, Nov 08, 2009, 12:28
Can you still undo trades? I've been trying to figure it out all morning and I can't, did they change the rules?
 
55hills
      ID: 599381921
      Sun, Nov 08, 2009, 12:32
#34
THERE IS NO UNDO BUTTON.
From the FAQ: There is no longer a need to "undo" a trade. Since we are only comparing your current roster to your last frozen roster, you simply need to put the original player back on your team and you will get your trade back. For example, if you have James on your 11pm frozen roster from the night before, then you trade him for Bryant, then you trade back to James, you will get your trade back. Each player will freeze at their scheduled gametime. You can trade back to an original player at any time and still get your trade back, as long as the players involved in the trade have not yet frozen, nor has the next roster freeze passed.

That means that if you make a trade, all you have to do to "undo" the trade is buy back the original player, and the trade comes back with him. Or: You can buy yet another new player, and still only one trade will be counted. Using the example above, you might sell James, buy Bryant, sell Bryant, buy Anthony, sell Anthony, buy Moon, sell Moon, and buy Marion, all in two minutes, for one forward position, and only one trade will be deducted because the system is only seeing that you went from James to Marion.
 
56marsvolta34
      ID: 471026811
      Sun, Nov 08, 2009, 12:39
ahh sweet thanks for your help. Next time I'll pay more attention
 
57Allwell
      ID: 32050210
      Sun, Nov 08, 2009, 13:03
alot of good options available today and tomorrow as well as next Wed...
It will lead to differentiated lineups, a good thing in my opinion.
Interested in lou will, hibbert, jennings, and pecherov to name a few
 
58Jeddi
      ID: 561026116
      Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 12:10
thinking gallinari to hibbert after today
 
59Jeddi
      ID: 561026116
      Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 12:16
cdr has h1n1, so he may not be back to full strength wednesday. just fyi
 
60damoose7474
      ID: 69322111
      Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 12:21
Re: 58

Hibbert has a 2 in 7 after today. wouldn't it be better to pick him up later in week?
 
61Jeddi
      ID: 561026116
      Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 16:49
compare him to gallinari, who will lose money and he plays a similar amount of games, hibbert looks legit and a good cheap player to lock in. I dont see better options to go too right now for 2.5 or less, but i may have to check again.
 
62Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 17:37
11/14 is the day for that move unless you want to give up a game
 
63damoose7474
      ID: 59241111
      Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 18:39
that is the only thing i never understood about the ultimate game and is probably the reason I suck so bad at it, is people are always selling early in my opinion and giving up games in trades...i suck at ultimate, i dont know why i play it, my best wwr is like 350...
 
64Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 19:04
I moved Gallo yesterday to a Warrior which I am too embarrassed to mention his name...
 
65deejay
      ID: 511011918
      Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 19:11
Must be Mikki Moore :)
 
66Jeddi
      ID: 561026116
      Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 21:04
I know it's not the "right" day to move him, but Tuesday is a light trading day and I'm not sure I'll miss the 11 points he'll put up. I don't have that much cash in reserve, I'll have to see if i can make the move later. He does play GSW though, so, easy points.
 
67reebbertxx
      Dude
      ID: 561124720
      Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 23:39
63> The key to the whole selling early thing is to do it without giving up games. The earlier into a player and the earlier out of him will always be most profitable.

Let me give an example.

You have Paul right now who is fairly highly owned. You move him to James with almost no owners on 11/10. That move won't gain a game until 11/18 but I guarantee it will be a profitable one. Points will most likely be equal.

Usually there are even better examples but that was one that jumped out at me and I may not even do it.

Later on in the year this happens less and less as managers try to find smooth transitions from stud to stud.

Sometime a cheapie game will be sacrificed early in the year in Ultimate for the sake of dollars. Unlike basic it is a full season game so the earlier you get a high rv the more it will matter.

I hope this helps a little.

 
68reebbertxx
      Dude
      ID: 561124720
      Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 23:52
That move may be more realistic than I thought.

Chris Paul left Monday's game after spraining his ankle toward the end of the first half.CP3 limped into the locker room and it's unclear whether he'll return in the second half. Stay tuned. Nov. 9 - 11:41 pm et

 
69Blooki
      Sustainer
      ID: 449292712
      Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 23:56
Two assists and a steal so far in the 2nd half for CP3. Looks OK to me (for now).
 
70deejay
      ID: 511011918
      Tue, Nov 10, 2009, 06:02
I certainly hope that the 12 days they are showing on your team page, that they will update that, or else in January (to name a month), it will get fun to navigate through all those weeks.
Click the blue arrow...
 
71dpr
      ID: 552411820
      Tue, Nov 10, 2009, 10:41
It already is really fun to click thru a players game log. 5 days at a time, so like 2 or 3 games, starting with the oldest.
 
72deejay
      ID: 511011918
      Tue, Nov 10, 2009, 11:32
That sucks too, I agree.
But I think about everyone will agree on that.
 
73Pica
      Sustainer
      ID: 161141312
      Tue, Nov 10, 2009, 19:23
DJ: my plan actually didn't work.. didn't check that Dirk is not an FC... crap
 
74deejay
      ID: 511011918
      Tue, Nov 10, 2009, 19:44
bummer.
 
75Allwell
      ID: 32050210
      Tue, Nov 10, 2009, 21:14
OK...
Blatch to Hibbert, and someone (I have a lot of crappy options- steph curry, pecherov, brewer, mello, gasol) to jennings as soon as I get my trades. Hate to use 2 trades on Wed, but need to shake things up.
Blatche, mello, gasol, and minn all have weak schedules coming up, and I need to hold some of those guys.
Im thinking I will hold Gasol, Thompson, and Curry since I like having them on my team (I think curry will start to play better soon)
 
76Allwell
      ID: 32050210
      Sat, Nov 14, 2009, 13:01
Paul to LBJ or Durant. Will most likely go with Lebron. This sucks.
I now am forced to hold Brewer and Curry for now