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Subject: Gurupie 20 2010 - 2011 Regular Season Discussion

Posted by: Species - Dude [07724916] Mon, Oct 25, 2010, 21:37

A HUGE thank you to Guru and especially Tosh for their help during the draft in assigning players to their teams on ESPN. Huge thanks to Tosh for restarting the whole damned league as far as ESPN goes in order for us to reset the waiver priority and to get all of the undrafted players on waivers. I now know that I must do some of those things BEFORE I start the offline draft.

We are now ready to go. Thanks to everyone for their patience and for your attention in getting this in on time.

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Oct 25, 2010, 21:45

It's always a little nerve racking when you have the "Are you SURE to want to reset the draft results?" button just looking at you ... not knowing what's going to happen when you click it.

Fortunately, all it did was re-set us back to the keeper deadline. All I had to do was re-enter the 120 drafted players.

So are we allowed to sign Ricky Rubio? He's there staring at me. Back in the 2008 draft, my plan was to draft Rubio in 2009, but it just didn't work out.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Oct 25, 2010, 22:04

So are we allowed to sign Ricky Rubio?

Maybe we should have a prospect draft! We can include Japanese players ;)

I don't see why not. If he's in the ESPN database, IMO he should be free game. I am more than open to hearing dissenting opinions.

Mike D
ID: 549362418
Mon, Oct 25, 2010, 22:24

Agreed-----If he's in the ESPN database what's the difference? It's a keeper league, after all.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Oct 25, 2010, 22:29

Our league rules have always been that if he's in the database, he's fair game. But if they take him out of the db at some point, you will lose him. This has always been due to retirement, but I suppose the same would go for if ESPN decided that he's not in the league so they remove him. I mean AI is playing overseas, but an NBA team could theoretically buy out his contract and sign him at any time. I guess the same could happen to Rubio--though it won't.

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Oct 25, 2010, 23:06

Documenting the lone trade affecting 2011-2012 draft picks:

bmd gets Species' 5th round pick
Species gets bmd's 6th round pick (Crawford)

Great One
ID: 27956257
Tue, Oct 26, 2010, 10:42

I'd got my 1st Round pick for sale for a guard who can get some steals.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Oct 26, 2010, 15:57

Lets get this season going baby!

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Oct 26, 2010, 17:26

Cancelled football practice for opening night hoops!!!

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Tue, Oct 26, 2010, 18:04

Wow, now that is some dedication, RSF!
What a great way to start it off too, with Lebron's Dillinger Squad versus the no nonsense Celtics. What do you bet it gets chippy and has a playoff atmosphere?

Mike D
ID: 269342618
Tue, Oct 26, 2010, 19:34

Over and under on the chippy = 1 quarter

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Oct 27, 2010, 10:07

Going to have to print out the standings today. And wonder why I didn't try to replace JO with Diesel.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 27, 2010, 10:16

I will produce the daily standings summary again this season, with split standings capabilities.

http://rotoguru1.com/hoop/G20.html

The daily split standings may require some debugging - we'll see how they look tomorrow.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 27, 2010, 23:49

So all my drafted bigs are out for awhile. Could be along season. Going to have to be creative here.

KnicksFan
ID: 539562814
Thu, Oct 28, 2010, 15:56

I'm #1 in FT% for the next 3 hours until Dwight Howard starts his season.

Mike D
ID: 5937410
Thu, Oct 28, 2010, 16:57

Lmao

slizz
ID: 30921721
Thu, Oct 28, 2010, 19:23

already in last! yes!

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Oct 29, 2010, 17:24

Is anyone's team besides mine seem to be missing. It's disappeared from the ESPN fantasy Basketball page

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Oct 29, 2010, 17:48

Dave - Check to make sure that you are logged in. About every 4th day, ESPN mysteriously logs me out ...

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Oct 29, 2010, 18:13

No I've determined it must be a browser issue, I just checked and I can access my team in IE, but it is missing in Firefox.

If I recall Firefox just did a version update. Anyone have any thoughts how to fix this?

Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Fri, Oct 29, 2010, 18:50

Nevermind

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Nov 01, 2010, 15:20

i Can find my team sometimes but have to log in every time to do anything. Other times I have to hit log in or can't find my team at all. I'm using Chrome. It's fine, but took me awhile to figure out what was up initially.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Nov 03, 2010, 12:12

Is it bad that I'm already looking forward to next years draft?

Great One
ID: 20955287
Wed, Nov 03, 2010, 13:29

I've got a 1st or 2nd round pick + McRoberts or Villenauva available for a starting PG. Hurting for assists.

CJ
Leader
ID: 499271021
Thu, Nov 04, 2010, 09:11

22 Seems like that this year...The Draft Highs Blues huh?
23 Wish I could sounds like a sweet deal for sure.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Nov 05, 2010, 11:14

It's sad when my only true PG is also my leader in ORebs. If I had a true big, I'd be dangerous. I'm gonna find one somewhere! ;)

Meatwads
ID: 111050517
Fri, Nov 05, 2010, 18:50

I'm in the market for a legit starting center as well as some help in FT%. Anyone looking to make a deal that fits my needs send me an e-mail to discuss. michaelpatrickrichards@gmail.com

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Nov 06, 2010, 15:44

I see that Yahoo has JJ Hickson with center eligibility but ESPN does not. I presume this has to do with GP at a position--anyone know what the positional eligibility thresholds are for a player on ESPN?

youngroman
Donor
ID: 02934823
Sat, Nov 06, 2010, 16:46

here is the ESPN info about position eligibility. looks complicated.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Nov 11, 2010, 18:06

That Paul Millsap...he's kinda OK.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Nov 14, 2010, 16:45

Pacers Rule just reminded me that we have not assessed prize pool dues yet this season.

Prize pool dues will again be $15. 100% of the dues go into the pool.

Three members have opted out of the prize pool: Perm Dude, Pistol Pete, and Mike D. The other 15 returning managers are in the pool, and expected to contribute each year. The two new managers will need to decide whether to participate in the pool or not. The top six teams win a prize, determined by the size of the pool. Last year, the first prize was $110. Sixth place earned $15.

Before collecting, I need to figure out who has money already on account, and I should also settle up on prizes for the G20 baseball season. So don't pay anything just yet. I'll send out a notice when I get the accounting reconciled.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Nov 15, 2010, 11:27

The Awkward Handshake

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Nov 15, 2010, 11:43

slizz [16] - I can barely see you up there in 8th place!

Great One
ID: 4110471110
Mon, Nov 15, 2010, 11:52

How the heck did Slizz get up to 8th?! he was supposed to be rebuilding! :)

slizz
ID: 1710161519
Mon, Nov 15, 2010, 20:16

yea yea...we'll see if i can sustain it.

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Mon, Nov 15, 2010, 21:28

...if only you had a dynamic, hyper-athletic young BIG to push up your rebounding categories. :-)

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Nov 15, 2010, 23:32

Like Paul Millsap?

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Nov 16, 2010, 00:07

Elton Brand is available for trade.

Gilbert Arenas is available for trade.

Younger, up-and-comers - i.e. not necessarily stars yet, but with that kind of potential - as well as draft picks wanted.

slizz
ID: 1710161519
Tue, Nov 16, 2010, 00:07

yeah...definitely need some beef on my team. i'm like the Don Nelson Golden State Warriors!

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Tue, Nov 16, 2010, 00:32

3/4 of my team is on the trading block. I'm stocked with mostly young all-star/Team USA caliber bigs but lack a true PG. With ballhog LBJ in town, Wade's assists have taken a dive. I'm looking to deal a big for a small who gets assists and steals in particular. A friend of mine used to say 'go big or stay home' so even Griffin is on the market- looking for an elite probably young PG in return, of course. Chandler is available for a lower-tier PG type.

Entertaining all offers involving non over-the-hill, cancer to his team type PG's....

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Nov 16, 2010, 01:33

Just threw something your way, PR.

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Tue, Nov 16, 2010, 03:28

Ask and ye shall receive.

Great One
ID: 4110471110
Tue, Nov 16, 2010, 08:57

I am similarly in the market for lower tier PG.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Nov 16, 2010, 09:27

Surprised at some of the reactions so far. I like Conley but he and Chandler bring different things to their owners.

I mean, c'mon: I've got Spencer Hawes as my starting C!

Chandler brings me an increase in FG & FT %, rebounds & blocks. I lose some points, assists, and steals. I'm hoping to mitigate some of the loss in assists with Bayless who I just picked up.

I've got no real big man, and (looking at the standings) I most need help in Reb, OReb, and blocks. Conley's not bringing any of that to the game, while depressing my FT & FG % numbers.

Neither guy is a keeper, but I think this move helps my team in the places I need it most.

Frick
ID: 21016718
Tue, Nov 16, 2010, 09:35

I have to agree with the question "Who's getting the better end of the deal?" Unless there is some information out there that I'm missing, I think this deal makes sense for both owners.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 16, 2010, 11:33

Chandler is past his prime. I used to love him (and owned him and kept him several years) but no longer will do a lot. With that being said, he'd still help my team with all my injured bigs. He isn't a total scrub at all.

Conley's numbers might not look as robust as you think, but it is pure upside. He is getting the most run ever and his numbers reflect that. He is young and very talented and could easily be a star in this league in the right situation. He in fact could be keeper-worthy at some point--perhaps even this season--but that certainly isn't a given either.

While the numbers may seem to help each other's needs, it sure is more difficult finding assists than getting Rebs. I'm sure that Coyotes' also looks at possible keeper connections and studliness that could befall Conley if he were to suddenly get starter's minutes.

There is no way this can be vetoed, but with PD toward the bottom of the standings, it seems to reason that this doesn't make as much sense for him. He could have at least gotten a draft pick to go with it. Sometimes it goes beyond the current numbers and this is probably one of those cases.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Nov 16, 2010, 11:49

I'm selling high. The only reason Conley isn't already riding the pine is that Memphis has no one else to play the point. He throws up far too many shots, doesn't hit many treys, and has likely already reached a high point.

He'll still get PT, and get assists, because he's got no one pushing him at the point. And ref is right: Assists are valuable. But the guy is killing he in two categories, and doesn't help in several others.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 16, 2010, 12:13

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Looks like you could have gotten more from Coyotes and others perhaps. Not sure you are selling high--but who knows?

Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 16, 2010, 15:31

Prize pool email was just sent out.

For the two new managers:
We have a prize pool that requires each participating manager to pay $15/year. The pool is used to fund prizes to the top six teams. The top prize is usually around $100, 6th place is usually $15, the other prizes grade in between.

The only ground rule is that if you decide to participate, you must contribute each year. If you ever decide to opt out, you cannot return to the pool.

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Tue, Nov 16, 2010, 21:48

I too was surprised to learn of some veto sentiment over our (hopefully) win-win deal. I hate trade vetoes and hopefully we will need them almost never and only in the most obvious of circumstances. I thought Great One probably summed it up best: There is nothing to veto about this trade. Its not collusion and its not Eddy Curry for Lebron.

That said, lots of good discussion about it I think. I had a hunch about Chandler this year coming off of his Team USA summer. I almost took him in round 8 but hoped he would slip down to me in 9 and fortunately he did. I think he has toughened up and found some new purpose. He's in good shape and is playing hard. Though he is not a volume scorer at this point in the Dallas offense, he is extremely efficient with his scoring both from the field and the line and certainly is an asset which has been a big part of apparently causing coldwater to look in his rear-view mirror. Beep Beep ;-)

I think PD has acquitted himself quite well in both his aquisition of Chandler and in moving Conley to do it. Mike Yam agrees it might be time to sell high on Conley. He's already averaging mid to upper 30's in minutes so he's already getting starter's minutes, and there are only so many more stats he can crank out. Also, I think there's little chance his steal numbers will hold up over the course of the season in light of his career averages. I hope his assists hold up too but again, compared to career averages, who knows. Maybe his preparation for his contract extension did him some good and his new confidence will mean he continues to develop this year (and beyond) and has not indeed peaked as PD and Yam seem to believe.

I also hope his shooting reverts to career averages or better and he realizes he can help his team more by taking fewer and better shots.

As far as upside goes, Chandler has the big upside in my mind since right now he's being limited to 26 or so minutes a night due to his timeshare situation. He seems to have a renewed health, energy, and focus. If Haywood would go down for one reason or another, Chandler's value could spike in a huge way if he keeps his efficiency up and maintains his blocks/40 min and definitely propel him to a lock for keeper status if his minutes look to continue beyond this year. At least that's what I believe *could* happen. No one can predict the future. You just try to minimize your risks and maximize your potential.

What did I mean by a "lower-tier PG" for Chandler? Well, basically anything below a top-tier PG which I know he's not worth and I wouldn't get. Beyond that, my target PG was the best offer I could get for someone who recognized the value Chandler is providing this year.

It's interesting how people value different cats more than others. Yeah, assists are rare, but competing in that cat is no more important in my view than competing in offensive rebounds, or FG% or Blocks or..... Yeah, everyone gets a rebound, but not everyone who gets some rebounds contributes adequately in other cats to make them playable. A player like Chandler who helps you where you need it and doesn't hurt you in other cats is a pretty nice asset, really. Yeah, Conley will help me in assists and steals, but will he cause my %'s to plummet, wiping out any improvement I make in assists? Obviously I am losing over a block a game and offensive rebounds as well, so for me, even if Conley has more flash, Chandler has a lot of substance that *might* more than make up what Conley brings across all 9 cats.

Also, I thought the conventional wisdom was that you don't trade a big for a small, esp. in this league, so I've clearly violated that rule for two players with very similar production - across all 9 cats. Sanforders even noted Yahoo has Chandler rated 45th overall in a 9 cat league with Conley 10 spots back at 55th. Thanks for pointing that out, Sanforders.

Best of luck with Chandler, PD. I know I am missing him already and he's not even off my roster yet. Hopefully Bynum will come back full strength very soon to make up for Chandler's production in the 'big' cats, and Conley will keep his production up or even improve over the season so I won't look back and see this as the moment I blew it. Hopefully Chandler stays healthy and reclaims some of the potential that folks have felt he has failed to realize thusfar since his nice year (or more?) in New Orleans.

Once I can finish this massive post, I can check and see how my shiny new little PG is playing tonight. :-)

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Nov 17, 2010, 00:20

'Sell high' would imply getting something more than a road apple for Conley.

That said, I'm not into vetoes...nor am I long on Conley or Chandler. I like my scrubs better. :)

KnicksFan
ID: 1410541714
Wed, Nov 17, 2010, 15:54

Guru, your email message was cutoff before it listed the managers that were in good standing. Can you post the email message here?

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Nov 17, 2010, 16:00

Here is the email:

Prize pool dues will again be $15 for the current season. Your payment is due by the end of November. If you do not pay by then, I reserve the right to hound you privately and ridicule you publicly!

Three members have permanently opted out of the prize pool: Perm Dude, Pistol Pete, and Mike D.

The other 15 returning managers are in the pool, and expected to contribute each year. The two new managers will need to decide whether to participate in the pool or not. As you will recall, the top six teams win a prize.

The following six members have sufficient funds on account - either from last year, or from G20 baseball - to pay the full amount, and therefore owe nothing this year:
Youngroman
KnicksFan
Beastiemiked
Species
GO
Ref

Everyone else owes the full $15.

You may send your payment in one of two ways:

1. Mail a check for $15 to this address:
[send me an email to get the mailing address]

The check should be payable to Dave Hall.

2. Paypal
You must send in a slightly higher amount if using Paypal in order to compensate for Paypal fees. If your Paypal account is a U.S. account, the typical amount to send is $15.76. If your account is outside the U.S. (this applies to Canadian accounts), the amount to send is $15.93 (US). Send this to davehall@rotoguru2.com, and mention only that it is "G20 donation" . Do not say prize pool, or fantasy basketball league, or anything that might be interpreted (or remotely misinterpreted) by Paypal as related to gambling. If you fail to adhere to this, I will be obliged to return your payment promptly.

Thanks for your prompt attention to this.

Guru

Mike
ID: 2910141717
Wed, Nov 17, 2010, 18:15

Hey 2 of my players got special mention today....that may mean their trade value has them at a "high" (lol).

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Nov 17, 2010, 19:14

Acquiring for them would bring the alternate meaning of "Trading High"...

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Nov 17, 2010, 19:15

(unless of course you still want to do that Yao-RayRay trade)

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Nov 17, 2010, 20:49

[Re: 52]Can I mark it as 'ExtenZe Payment'?

Mike
ID: 2910141717
Thu, Nov 18, 2010, 00:15

Yowwwwwww! Sure I'll take Ray Allen.

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Thu, Nov 18, 2010, 02:08

Someone has been watching too much late night TV.

Apologies for the long rant. I do have a question about trades and trade vetos in this league, though. What are the guidelines, if any, for weighing short term versus long term benefits? And what kind of deal would/should get vetoed? Say for example Meatwads decides he wants to move KG or Ray Ray for future considerations later in the season b/c he's out of it this year, so he shops him with the league leaders to see what he can get. Let's say someone in contention (or not, and does it matter?) offers him his first round picks for the next 2 or 3 years. Is that an 'ok' deal? Seems to potentially make sense for both managers (if not, devise your own similar scenario). Does it affect competitive balance both now and (very possibly) in the future? Absolutely, which is why both managers want to make it, and for different reasons. On a smaller scale, Species wants to trade Elton Brand for a young player and future picks. That's fine, of course. Is there a line to be drawn there, or is it just whatever seems right/best to the two managers making the trade in good faith? Can you trade a player for no one and just picks...I would suppose yes? Are there any trade guidelines established? If it helps both teams (at least in the minds of their managers), is it right for others to block it? Does a contender have a conflict of interest in vetoing or approving the trade? Thanks. Curious for others' thoughts, particularly the commish, guru, and previous commishes.

Great One
ID: 4110471110
Thu, Nov 18, 2010, 11:59

As long as both teams feel a trade is improving their teams -- long or short haul -- then this league has no problem with the trade.
Contenders usually will give a draft pick to a team at the bottom for a player that can help immediately. This is commonplace. This helps both squads.

As I said before - as long as its not collusion (I give you a player not with the intention of my own teams improvement, but in an effort to try and help you beat everyone else).... OR is so absolutely crazy lopsided that it is a detriment to the league -- i.e. I give you Lebron for Brian Scalabrine.

To me, anything in between is up to the managers to decide if they think it will help them improve and its not our job to stand in the way and try and protect people from making bad decisions because you think one team got the better end of a deal.

3 weeks ago in a football league Slizz and I are in 2 guys had a major problem with me giving up Jennings/Witten/Torain for Ray Rice. They said I was WAY overpaying and they were vetoing basically to protect me from gutting my team. Had that occured I wouldn't have won every game since... and 4 weeks later they are saying I basically stole Rice after I used him to beat them both. The lesson learned to them was to just let teams do what they think is helping... because we all know our own teams best and what needs fixing.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Nov 18, 2010, 12:57

Have we ever vetoed a trade? Usually we just grumble bitch and moan. Then kick them in the groin the first time (and sometimes third time) we meet fellow G20 in person.

beastiemiked
ID: 10432914
Thu, Nov 18, 2010, 13:39

PD, how can you say neither guy is a keeper? I know when I draft someone in the 1st round it's almost always because he has upside and is a potential keeper. You drafted Conley at 7.03 so you had to think he had some keeper potential(which he does and I was SHOCKED that he wasn't kept). His stock has increased this year.

PR, I made a long post earlier but deleted. I think most people's problem with the trade is PD drafted Conley at 7.03. He could've got a ton of youth to start improving his team but instead opted for a guy starting his prime. It looked like it had been working out for him since Conley is having a great year.

Then, he trades Conley for Chandler who you drafted at 9.10. I don't think anyone would argue that you didn't get a steal with Chandler at 9.10 but at the same time Chandler's long term value is a lot lower than Conley(you can argue this all you want but ask any fantasy hoops expert and they'd say Conley without a 2nd thought).

I didn't veto the trade. I'm just super confused how somehow can use their 1st round pick on Conley and then trade him for cheap after he improves on his numbers from last year.

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Thu, Nov 18, 2010, 17:18

RSF, I think we actually had a commish veto on a Coldwater trade this year or last involving Jarvis Hayes for Beno Udrih and another player and I don't remember the full circumstances on that.

I have no problem with the grousing and the griping either- that's part of the fun (and I'll remember to avoid meeting you in person, or wear a cup when I do) - but to me that's a lot different than feeling a need to justify or defend a trade with the possibility your 'work' to find a deal and a suitor will be nullified if enough managers feel you've done a little too well for yourself. I mean I had to argue how smart PD was - instead of the much more fun how smart I am! (Still, I think most are underestimating the season and possibly seasons Chandler is going to have....road apple indeed!)

BMD, I hear what you are saying and I think I get that and agree with a good portion of it, but it's just a different conversation against the backdrop of a potential veto, which is why I asked the question of what a veto-able trade looks like in this league (and still hope to hear more on that).

I still feel like one of the newbies in G20 since I wasn't an original owner. Funny thing is I tried to talk BJis21 into taking his old team back this year, but now I'm glad he turned me down b/c I'm having fun and feel like I have an actual chance to contend if things go my way for the first time since I took over the team a couple years back. I have trouble doing things halfway and not having League Pass this year is about killing me. The Pacers aren't even on the Fox Sports Regional network for crying out loud, and they aren't actually as painful to watch as I expected them to be, with Hibbert and Collison and other young blood in the mix. They're not going to win anything this year, but at least they're competing which is nice to see for a change. But I digress, which is so unusual for me.

Frick
ID: 5310541617
Thu, Nov 18, 2010, 20:13

Unless it's trade like LeBron for Shaq I can't see a trade being vetoed. I know that I got a lot of grief for trading Marion Barber for Lawrence Maroney + a draft pick (and to be fair, Maroney was and is awful), but I think that trade was beneficial to me as the draft pick ended up working out for me. Barber hasn't done much more than Maroney over the last 2 years.

It's hard to value players in keeper leagues. Is a player going hard during a contract year and has a history of tanking when not in a contract year? Is a player an injury risk that a manager is tiring of keeping on the bench and just wants to be rid of?

Peter N.
ID: 2210281621
Thu, Nov 18, 2010, 22:02

I, like many others, was confused by the trade. I don't understand it from PD's point of view, but everyone has their own opinions. It is definitely not worth a veto.

BTW...With all of this, "Lebron for" talk, does anybody want to make me an offer? ;-) lol

Mike
ID: 2910141717
Thu, Nov 18, 2010, 23:24

I'll trade Yow and Ray Ray for LeBron.

Meatwads
ID: 5410141823
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 00:15

Pacers - I appreciate the shout-out for Ray Ray and KG. That's going to be the only praise you receive from me though. I've been in this league for less than a month and if there's one thing I know it's this -- You ripped off Perm Dude purposefully and knowingly. From every indication I have to this point, that's what you do. You've been sending me long-winded messages for the last couple weeks trying to give me chump change for Rondo. Telling me you wouldn't trade Roy Hibbert for Rondo straight up, please. I've played with people like you before. You send e-mails trying to tell the other owner how great your players (the same players you're gladly getting rid of) are while pointing out the weaknesses of the exact player(s) you're trying to acquire. Rondo leads the league in assists, all the while you're trying to convince me that as my only point guard I should give him to you for the next decade for next to nothing. You offered me Ginobili and Chandler for Rondo and George, and you're surprised (not really, you're just acting) that I didn't accept it. You can pretend to be ignorant or try to explain to the whole league that Chandler is the next great center, but who are you kidding? You got a legit starting point guard for a journeyman center who has very little upside to speak of. I DID veto that trade, and rightfully so. I saw someone scamming someone else and I did what I could to stop it. Maybe this message is a little out of line but so is your tactics. I just wanted you to know you can fool some people some times, but you can't fool all the people all the time. I know I'm probably ruining my chances to ever deal with you again but I couldn't envision making a deal with someone that has to "win" the trade anyway.

slizz
ID: 1710161519
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 00:50

WOW! mad props for taking a divisive stand like that...most people wouldn't do that and just grumble in private.

Do I agree with the trade?

In a non keeper? Yes...absolutely b/c it helps him in one area. In a keeper, no way. PD traded the 39th ranked player in fantasy basketball (keeper quality with tons of upside) for the 66th ranked player clearly on the downside of his career with ankle issues. Thats all I needed to see to make my decision. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe PD make the offer...that said, he knew what he was getting into (RE: Post 40).

I'm not gonna get all bent out of shape about it...I kick myself for not taking advantage of the opportunity to get a guy of Conley's that cheap.

Peter N.
ID: 2210281621
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 01:33

I don't think the personal attacks on PR were necessary at all. I've been in all 3 g20/g24 leagues since their inception and have seen PR's tactic used before. There is nothing wrong with it. If someone wants to buy-in and go for it, that is there choice. Bottom line for me is that I don't believe there was any collusion here. That'd be the only time I veto a trade and recommend dismissal of both parties involved.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 01:35

I agree--I don't understand the personal attacking at all. At best, it takes away from any analysis about the trading in question. At worst, it makes the person doing the attacking look petty.

Meatwads
ID: 5410141823
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 02:03

I apologize for the personal attack on PR, I feel bad that I left that message in the forum for everyone to read. I should've sent him a personal e-mail instead, it won't happen again. I guess I have a tendency to stand up for the little guy, and since I'm new to this league I consider myself that at the moment. I just wanted to set a precedence that I will not be taken advantage of because I'm new. When I see the very person that was attempting to do that to me pull it off (in my opinion) it kind of gets me going a bit. That being said, I should not have done that at the expense of PR. The reason I personally pointed at PR is because he's the only one who's tried these "tactics" on me and if I were less knowledgeable it might've worked. Anyone that wants to deal with me in the future, I'm only looking to make a win-win deal that makes sense for both teams involved in a KEEPER league. I felt this trade was not fair in a KEEPER league as slizz pointed out, so I made my thoughts known. I'm sorry if I offended anyone. In the future I'll try to keep my comments to a minimum involving other teams.

jseth333
Dude
ID: 24100310
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 09:37

As a newcomer to the league, let me say that as of this morning at least, I think the league is alot of fun and all the managers are great.

I was also wondering if the commissioner could send this thread to the moms of Mike Conley and Tyson Chandler as I am not sure that there respective basketball abilities have ever been debated with so much passion - would be a great addition to their scrapbooks...

Aren't lopsided trades - whether real or perceived - part of the game - whether real or fantasy? Other factors sometimes play a role, but...the Mavericks traded Robert Traylor to the Bucks for Dirk Nowitzki...Dr J was sold to the sixers for $3 million; Pippen for Olden Polynice; essentially Robert Parish and Kevin McHale for Joe Barry Carroll and Ricky Brown; Kobe for Vlade; Barkley to the Suns; for you younger guys...Pau Gasol is on the Lakers for crying out loud...

We are not exactly talking the trade of a future hall of famer for the last man on the bench...and if Tyson Chandler really is healthy for the first time in a long time and Conley gets buried on the bench for some reason...or blows out a knee...or...then we are going to be talking about how Chandler was stolen...

Great One
ID: 591051197
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 10:10

jseth has it exactly -- thats why its not our job to stand in the way of people making trades they think will improve their team. Anything can happen. Unless is Lebron traded for Mike D and a six pack, that outcome is certain... cause that trade only has one possibly lopsided outcome. Especially with 2 non-keeper quality guys... who the heck knows what is gonna happen?!

Meatwads is also ignoring the fact that this is basically a big man league because of the extra rebounding category. Thats why Hibbert has great value, thats why Chandler has higher value than it would appear. Because there are only so many of them to go around and its easier to find a G/F type. Chandler (while underwhelming the last few seasons) has had a history of being a rebounding force which can really make an impact in this league... he has had a ton of games where he got 20+ rebounds when he was going well. So if PD thinks he can return to that in his new situation - thats his choice to buy low on that upside. Chandler is only 28 as well.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 12:49

Anyone feel free to make me lopsided trades in my favor at any time. I'll try my best to low-ball you. Thanks in advance.

beastiemiked
ID: 10432914
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 14:39

All this talk of Rondo has me crying. I traded him after his rookie season. The deal was Rondo and a 4.20 for a 2.06. I'm a pretty big dumbass for keeping TJ Ford over him. Really wish it would've gotten vetoed ;)

Here's a gem. Guess who said it :) Hint, he has a thing for Desmond Mason.

"Rondo is being hyped up due to the Three Amigos. He has absolutely no shooting skills. You get dimes and maybe decent steals. Minimal points, no 3s, poor shooting percentage, poor three point shooting percentage, no rebounds and no blocks. So, thats worth nearly a 3 round draft drop? Even you can't honestly say that."

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 15:04

Heh.

Crazy how much better Rondo has gotten while playing with that group.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 15:25

He's gotten better for sure.
"Minimal points, no 3s, poor shooting percentage, poor three point shooting percentage, no rebounds and no blocks"

Yep, pretty much dead on except for rebounds. Didn't even mention piss-poor free-throws...

Dez...sheesh...I think bmd just did one of those 'groin kicks' I was talking about. :)

Great One
ID: 4610151912
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 15:30

Yeah, RSF made a point to say how screwed I got for moving down 2+ rounds to add Rondo as my 6th keeper. That was the steal of the century!

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 15:32

Man, I should just stick to saying nice things about all players...I mean, I am in last place and all. What do I know.

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 17:44

Hilarious!!

Longwinded.....check. No getting around that. guilty as charged!

That said, PD did make me the offer. I felt it was a really good offer and I told him as much...gave up some sleep to do some research...and then decided it was probably the best offer I would get and I accepted it...no haggling. And my conscience is completely clean - A straight up deal, fair and square. I like my player but I like the one I traded too. Despite being called a road apple (which was pretty funny, lol) he actually does bring a lot to the table in this league- or at least he is right now and I'm drinking the kool-aid that he is going to continue to do so. Clearly PD is doing the same. The fact that some of you aren't is really not our concern. If you still feel justified in vetoing the trade, you don't get it yet.

Probably what bothers me most about your post, meatwads, (and I'm not that bothered by the way) is your insult to PD. You speak as if he is a helpless infant who has been victimized by my fantasy-raping tactics. My guess is he kicks your a$$ in most leagues/years he plays you....b/c he knows what he is doing. He has been around here for a while, unlike you. And based on your complaints about my trade offer of Hibbert and Gino for Rondo and a non-keeper non-contributor this year barring trades or significant injuries, you aren't poised to do so well. I kick myself now for even making that offer. It would have been suicide for my chances this year. Do yourself a favor and look at Hibbert's and Manu's numbers this year (realizing there is no reason to doubt they will change any time soon). And Hibbert's a third year 7'2" Center in an ideal situation, for crying out loud.

Bottom line, really no need for the disrespect to either of us.

Negotiating is part of the game, and if you don't get that side of it, you've probably chosen the wrong activity to occupy your free time. Everyone values players differently. You've haven't blown your chances to trade with me in the future, but if you blow off my offers with no dialogue or counter-offers, you can anticipate I will mostly likely choose to invest my fantasy time elsewhere at least with researching teams and making offers.

I will have to agree with Slizz though and give you props for being willing to speak your mind and make a post which makes things interesting. And by the way, when you realize you've made a fool of yourself, if you are quick enough, you can delete your own posts from the forum. I've pulled that maneuver myself a few times.

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 23:52

I was also wondering if the commissioner could send this thread to the moms of Mike Conley and Tyson Chandler as I am not sure that there respective basketball abilities have ever been debated with so much passion - would be a great addition to their scrapbooks...
Funny Stuff!

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Nov 20, 2010, 10:21

Maybe meatwads doesn't know about the Bynum trade we made a couple of years ago, PR. Seems to me he'd call me the "fantasy-raper" if he knew about that one...

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Sat, Nov 20, 2010, 11:55

Yeah. I think my trade-bait was that Lee was less injury-prone. Doh!

Meatwads
ID: 441047228
Mon, Nov 22, 2010, 09:49

Pacers...I didn't write that to rectify making a fool of myself as you so arrogantly put it. I meant every single word in both posts and will continue to in any post I write in the future. Clearly my comments bothered you. You started attacking my abilities even though you've never played with me and have little evidence to think I'm a sucker. And yes, this is my first year in this league, but hopefully you're wise enough to know I've been playing a long time. I get it weather you think I do or not. You traded one of the weaker big men on your team (if not your weakest) for a starting point guard that plays for a good fantasy squad. If we're all banking on Chandler becoming a beast out of nowhere to justify the trade then we'll be waiting a long time. I'd go out on a limp and say you're keeping Conley next year and Chandler will be right back in the draft. I agree that you're able to negotiate whatever trade you want, and I'm allowed to veto it. Either way, I'm not worried if you think I'm not poised to do so well. Fortunately for me, your opinion doesn't change reality. I said I was sorry for whatever disrespect you felt I threw your way but will you be sending me the same apology?...doubt it. My only goal here is to keep people from kicking me out of the league. Having a random internet argument isn't what I'm interested in. Let's just drop it and move on. Good luck.

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Nov 22, 2010, 21:34

When we were looking for replacement managers, I told you guys that trading is serious business for the Meatwads. I just didn't think he'd call someone out the first month of the season. :-)

And speaking of trading ... I'm growing a weary of Greg Oden. Anyone interested? In exchange, I'm looking for a player with the upside of the Ohio State Oden, and not the Trailblazer Oden. Thanks.

slizz
ID: 1710161519
Mon, Nov 22, 2010, 22:09

Tosh...you should offer Ohio State Oden for Tyson Chandler!

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Nov 22, 2010, 23:49

I never bought into the Oden hype myself. Liked him as a college player, but he never struck me as any kind of athlete. I'm not surprise he can't make the jump to the next level because of pervasive physical problems.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Nov 23, 2010, 00:26

Gosh golly, Greg Oden is the greatest player ever.

Sorry, just practicing my 'nice things only' technique.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Nov 23, 2010, 01:19

Is it working?

:)

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 23, 2010, 10:19

I'm telling you what, Oden is the real deal, but obviously needs to get in the game to score you points.

My interaction with Meatwads and trading were very positive. We didn't end up making a deal, but part of the fun is the talks sometimes.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Nov 25, 2010, 15:24

Regarding trade offers via the ESPN email system:

I could have sworn you could just reply back to those emails and it'd go to the original sender, but now it just goes to some crap mailbox.

Maybe others had already noticed this but I have been replying back to trade offers to people and not hearing back. I figured my counters sucked, but now realize they sucked AND were going to a wrong email.

Mike D
ID: 461012516
Thu, Nov 25, 2010, 17:02

It's a trade filter. If they suck, they go to the crap mail box.

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Fri, Nov 26, 2010, 02:12

I'm finding I will send an email out using the league site, and then I have no record of having sent it or what it said, and I just killed too many brain cells in my youth to rely on my memory.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Sat, Nov 27, 2010, 22:58

The Meatwads/RSF deal is:

Ming + RSF 2011.3rd Rounder
for
Brewer + Meatwads 2011.2nd Rounder

He tried offering that chump Rondo, but I immediately declined it...

Meatwads
ID: 010192722
Sat, Nov 27, 2010, 23:19

Confirming post #93...I finally got a center from one of you guys...It's tough in these parts...I'm dangling Ray Ray and Garnett for anyone interested...Send over some offers or e-mail me with your sales pitch :)

Great One
ID: 53105119
Sun, Nov 28, 2010, 13:04

That Chandler guy has been pretty awful the last few games...

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Nov 28, 2010, 13:22

sucks, he does.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Sun, Nov 28, 2010, 13:30

Man, I was gonna say 'Who wants Erick Dampier before he goes all "Tyson-Chandler" on us', but, uh, nevermind...gonna have to think of a new name.

Great One
ID: 53105119
Sun, Nov 28, 2010, 13:39

PD... are you talking like Yoda?

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Nov 28, 2010, 14:36

Star Wars Marathon on Spike TV it is.

100

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Mon, Nov 29, 2010, 02:12

I knew I got screwed on that deal.

101

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Nov 29, 2010, 10:16

Couple more games like that and he'll be at Kris Humphries level of rebounding-rate...

102

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Nov 29, 2010, 10:52

I picked up Humphries in a couple of Yahoo Leagues. You'd never know looking at him (or even watching him play) what a rebounding machine he is. I watched two different games, and around the fourth quarter both sets of announcers were amazed at the numbers he was putting up. He just grabs rebounds unspectacularly.

103

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Nov 29, 2010, 11:01

I think it has something to do with dating a Kardashian.

104

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Nov 30, 2010, 14:37

Who needs catagory help?

Steals? Corey Brewer...currently top 10 in cat.

High volume/high accuracy Free Throws? Corey Maggette...perfect cover for your lousy FT shooting bigs. Right now, sadly on my Top 6 list of keepers.

Boards/Blocks? Erick Dampier...figure similar production as Haslam but with blocks. Similar to his career numbers.

Boards/Blocks...part 2? Kris Humphries...question his playing time, don't question his results/efficiency.

Just don't ask about Anthony Randolph...grumble grumble grumble. D'Antoni...you dumbass.

Looking to do decent pick upgrades. Fire me an offer and lets do some dealing. I know theres not an elite stud among them, but they all carry value as back-end/1-2-3 catagory helper players.

105

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Dec 02, 2010, 11:35

The prize pool deadline has passed.

I have not yet heard from the following:
RecycleSpinalFluid
Frick
slizz
Meatwad (have not heard yet whether you want to be included in the prize pool or not)

Everyone else has either paid or told me that the check is in the mail. Thanks.

106

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Dec 02, 2010, 13:17

DOH!

107

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Dec 02, 2010, 13:19

PayPal'd you Guru.

108

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Dec 02, 2010, 16:22

The Ref/RSF trade:

Chuck Hayes + Ref 2011.3rd rounder + Ref 2011.5th rounder
for
Kris Humphries + RSF 2011.5th rounder + RSF 2011.6th rounder

with the Ref 2011.5th and RSF 2011.6th rounders conditional:

Condition 1: If there are more than 5 selections between Ref's 2011.5th and RSF 2011.6th rounder selections.
Condition 2: RSF trades his 6th rounder away.

If either of the conditions is met then the draft pick swaps default to the Ref 2011.3rd rounder for the RSF 2011.5th Rounder.

109

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Thu, Dec 02, 2010, 22:36

Anyone watching the return of the King? Wade is finally starting to look like Wade again, and LBJ is no slouch either. Wow....who banks in a low alley-oop pass with one hand like that?

110

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Dec 02, 2010, 22:56

Watched most of it. I was very impressed with the Miami defense.

And also their 1-7 record against teams over .500.

111

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Thu, Dec 02, 2010, 23:15

Definitely on the defense. I was impressed that ahead by 26 points in the fourth quarter, Wade is going to the floor for loose balls. He's also giving some hard fouls. Tremendous line....near triple double.

All I can I figure is that Miami kind of rallied together around Lebron and against the Cleveland fans...and possibly also as a result in part of all the increased media scrutiny and circling vultures this past week or so. If they do not stick together, they are going to be torn apart. But I agree, their record against sub .500 teams versus their record vs. winning teams is possibly the most extreme dichotomy I have ever seen.

112

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Fri, Dec 03, 2010, 19:25

Man. Just watched the game at lunch today. Couple thoughts...the pregame intros sucked. Don't know why, just wasn't 'mean' enough. And the thing that annoys me...the hugging and stuff before the game. I'm from the 'if you're not on my team, right now, you are not my friend'. Perhaps I'm too old school on that. It was a love fest.

And, are there no more enforcers in this league? Really. Name one. The NBA is getting soft. Charmin soft. Gimme a McHale, Mo Lucas, Oakley...someone.

113

Great One
ID: 53105119
Fri, Dec 03, 2010, 23:10

Gibson also took issue with comments that it appeared the Cavaliers were acting too outwardly friendly toward James, who played seven seasons in Cleveland. Center Anderson Varejao(notes) hugged James as the teams lined up for tip-off and a few players shook hands or bumped fists with the two-time defending league MVP.

“I’ve heard that, and that kind of rubs me the wrong way,” Gibson said. “We all know LeBron and we all know that he enjoys being in front of the camera. To say we were fraternizing and being friendly … nobody knows what was said and the things that were said probably could not be repeated right now. We wanted to win the game and those guys brought it to us.”

The Cavaliers are now 7-11 without James.

“I think people, from the outside looking in, might say we were laughing and joking with him, but if you could hear the things that were said, you would know that wasn’t the case,” Gibson said. “There was nothing friendly about the conversation we had.”

Gibson said the evening soured his relationship with James, his teammate for four years. Gibson was also upset by the Cavaliers’ awful play in front of their rowdy fans, who had waited five months to vent at James for the way he announced his decision to leave.

“I didn’t like the way we performed,” he said.

114

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Dec 04, 2010, 01:55

The Cavaliers are now 7-11 without James.

Also without Shaq and Z.

115

Pacers Rule
ID: 431144419
Sat, Dec 04, 2010, 20:47

3's available on the cheap. Kyle Korver going to the best quick offer of a pick upgrade next year....or conceivably a low end big man now...but must have good FG%

116

Pacers Rule
ID: 9114057
Sun, Dec 05, 2010, 08:46

Nice get, Species. I was hoping to stash him away on my bench myself.

117

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 05, 2010, 18:45

The Humphries deal loosk liek a bust. UGH.

118

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Dec 08, 2010, 20:19

Hump!

119

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Sat, Dec 11, 2010, 21:06

Roody poo, candy ass!

120

beastiemiked
ID: 10432914
Mon, Dec 13, 2010, 10:43

Anyone that views the league in Google Chrome having trouble closing the pop up player boxes? I used to be able to now I can't.

121

Great One
ID: 01122913
Mon, Dec 13, 2010, 10:48

I use Chrome, not having a problem with the pop ups next to player names or clicking on their name either.

122

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Dec 13, 2010, 11:41

bmd - Yes. I have the same problem using Chrome.

123

Great One
ID: 01122913
Mon, Dec 13, 2010, 13:00

There was an update recently, are you current?

124

Frick
ID: 5310541617
Mon, Dec 13, 2010, 13:54

I use Chrome as well and they are broken for me as well. I can't say I noticed when it started, but a new version of Chrome was rolled out fairly recently (last week?)

125

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Dec 14, 2010, 22:24

I notice that the averages for a player's stats disregard the zero's they get when they don't play a game. A player who got into 2 of the last 5 games, for instance, got 12 points, 4 points, then three DNP is shown as getting 8 pts/game.

When a guy doesn't play because he was a healthy scratch, they should count that as zero across the board and lower the averages accordingly, IMO.

126

Meatwads
ID: 191140154
Wed, Dec 15, 2010, 05:40

Just curious why the Humphries for Hayes trade hasn't been posted on the ESPN league page. There were draft picks involved so it should be there right?

127

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Dec 15, 2010, 13:04

120: No issues
125 and 126: agreed

128

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Dec 15, 2010, 21:24

Re: Google Chrome - I just figured something out. The 'Close X' box on the pop-up window does not work, but re-clicking the little memo icon that opens the pop-up window, will close the pop-up.

129

Meatwads
ID: 191140154
Thu, Dec 16, 2010, 16:35

Can someone explain to me how the #1 pick in the draft is determined? Is there a lottery for the top picks, similar to the one the NBA uses, or is it the reverse order of the final standings, similar the the NFL? If there is a lottery, how many teams technically have a shot at receiving the #1 pick? Thanks.

130

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Dec 16, 2010, 17:39

There is a lottery for the top picks just like the NBA--the weaker the team's finish, the more balls they get into the (virtual) hopper. I don't have the number of balls each team gets handy (Guru?) but the rest of the first round of the non-lottery draft is a reverse order of finish. Rounds 2 onward are in reverse order. (In other words, if I'm remembering correctly, the lottery only affects the first picks of the first round).

131

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Thu, Dec 16, 2010, 17:57

Did you hear that!?!

The weaker the team, the more balls we've got!

At current pace, I'll have the biggest balls of them all.

132

Great One
ID: 1711331610
Thu, Dec 16, 2010, 18:11

Very similar to the real NBA Draft Lottery.

133

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Dec 16, 2010, 21:53

I think it is identical to the NBA draft lottery.

134

Mike D
ID: 1711161023
Thu, Dec 16, 2010, 22:44

I heard RSF's balls are bigger than the actual NBA draft balls.

135

beastiemiked
ID: 10432914
Thu, Dec 16, 2010, 23:49

Tosh, OMG thank you.

136

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Dec 17, 2010, 23:22

Finally updated trade from post 108

137

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Sat, Dec 18, 2010, 23:40

re: 117...still thinking that?

OK...pimping Corey Brewer and his stud level steals for a 5-6 swap. The steals cat is tight, so get a difference maker here and have good times and keep moving on up. To the deeeeluxe appartment, in the sky. Err...sorry.

Drop me a line, cause you know my 6 is as good as a 5. Man...if my wife could see the things I type sometimes...course she'd mumble something about 3.

138

jseth333
Dude
ID: 24100310
Sun, Dec 19, 2010, 00:16

There ya go - talking about that special tool again...

139

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 19, 2010, 10:18

Guys, sorry for being slow to respond to your offers/trade inquiries the past couple days. I've just started replying. For some reason when I reply it is addressing to espn fantasy games instead of the person who sent it to me. It's funny that everyone has seemed to get the same idea to look at my team at the same time.

140

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Mon, Dec 20, 2010, 23:09

could there be a correlation there with the fact that you set up your trading block? Very cool feature of the site.

Can't reply to emails generated from the website? Not so cool 'feature' of the site. I don't remember this problem last year with ESPN.

141

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Thu, Dec 23, 2010, 09:33

Is there place on the website you can see everyone's email addy? Either my offers are falling victim to Ref's crap trade filter, or using the website to send them almost guarantees a non-response. Probably the former.

If you get bored at all over the holidays, feel free to shoot me an offer. Pretty much anyone is available for the right price. I'm interested in 2 for 1 deals or picks for borderline keepers or possibly even getting a little younger for my highest ESPN-rated player this year who believe it or not is Ginobili. It's amazing what he's doing both being healthy and with Duncan not taking as many shots.

142

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Dec 23, 2010, 11:57

I set up my trade block a couple weeks back. I am not sure what the deal is, but I got back to everyone, but not one reply. I sent them via my gmail address book so they should have all gotten a response. PR, you might have been one of them--can't remember.

Most of them were inquiring about Roy. It will be really interesting to see how the procedure that he refused to have done this past summer will pan out after this season.

143

Great One
ID: 411132311
Thu, Dec 23, 2010, 12:14

I'm looking for assists, willing to move young big guys + a high pick.

144

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Dec 30, 2010, 00:35

Dammit. Meatwads and I were a little worried about Kevin Martin being the injury prone guy in that trade...

145

Mike D
ID: 1711161023
Thu, Dec 30, 2010, 01:11

Yeah that sucks. No good time, but right after a deal.

146

Meatwads
ID: 5711223017
Thu, Dec 30, 2010, 18:23

I know man, that's messed up about Garnett. Hopefully it's not a big deal and only misses a couple games.

147

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Dec 31, 2010, 10:41

Hope he stays out a long time now that Jermaine O'Neal is back.

148

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Mon, Jan 03, 2011, 20:10

"dammit Leeroy!"
"'least I got sessions..."

Pretty sure that was the Ramon Sessions I thought I was drafting last year...ahead of Steph Curry! Doh!!!

149

Pacers Rule
ID: 16044422
Tue, Jan 04, 2011, 23:47

NICE pickup today, Mr. Richards. Anyone else have your mouth open tonight to see that he was available as of this morning yet?

As Caron's owner, I clearly was beat to the punch.

150

Meatwads
ID: 23010611
Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 12:10

Thanks PR. It was shortlived though, as I've resorted back to stockpiling fragile dinosaurs for the future.

151

Meatwads
ID: 23010611
Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 13:36

My boy will take on any point guard in the league, who wants some?

Rondo recorded 22 assists, 12 points, and 10 rebounds Wednesday for his 11th career triple-double, adding six steals in the victory over San Antonio.

Spin: It wouldn't be surprising to learn, at this point, that Rondo also taught himself the entire Portuguese language during halftime. With regard to fantasy value, his free-throw shooting is currently what's keeping him outside the top 12.

152

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 14:13

He's really taken his game to the next level. I have him in the Jeepers Keepers league and he's been a very nice surprise.

The only thing I can't understand about Rondo is his shooting at the free throw line. What's up with that? When Shaq is beating you at the line by almost 150 points there is just something wrong there.

153

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Thu, Jan 06, 2011, 21:47

As Caron's former owner, I should say.

154

CJ
ID: 5311491012
Fri, Jan 07, 2011, 00:01

152
Yes I want to know the same...how in the hell does he shoot 41% on the season ? ? ?
I think he is like 68% career

155

Hey PD
ID: 510551222
Wed, Jan 12, 2011, 23:58

3rd Period
11:37
Andrew Bynum blocks David Lee's shot

156

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Jan 13, 2011, 00:29

Ha! I'm surprised there wasn't some kind of spontaneous combustion on the court...

157

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Fri, Jan 14, 2011, 11:36

Good lord...JR Smith was just raining down 3s on the SHeatHeads last night. 8? Really? Nasty!

158

Species
ID: 711122010
Fri, Jan 14, 2011, 12:44

Yo Meatwads #151 -- I see your Rajon Rondo and raise you a Russell Westbrook. How about 32 pts, 13 ast, 10 reb with 2 blocks and a steal last night? AND he shoot 86% from the line :)

Seriously, is he very far behind Paul and Williams amongst the elite Point Guards? What a beast he's evolved into! If only he shot the 3.

159

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Fri, Jan 14, 2011, 13:00

Oh yeah oh yeah...what about Ramon Sessions!!!

NM...what about him... :(

Actually, he is doing pretty good. Would love to see him and Lawson with full time gigs.

160

PR on da 'droid
ID: 570421415
Fri, Jan 14, 2011, 16:43

Yeah PD, it would seem it might be about time for him to go down with another season ending knee injury. What I'm really more worried about is Griffin blowing out his knee in the dunk contest. Maybe since Caron went down for the season I've satisfied the knee annual knee injury quota on my team already.

161

Meatwads
ID: 180231421
Fri, Jan 14, 2011, 22:23

Westbrook is a good come back to my Rondo.

162

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Jan 17, 2011, 19:30

I just discovered there was not a trade deadline set for this season. Last year, it was set at Wednesday, March 24, 12PM ET.

So the deadline for this season is now set at ... drumroll ... Wednesday, March 23, 3PM ET. That is the latest date that ESPN offers.

163

Mike D
ID: 1408228
Sat, Jan 22, 2011, 09:08

Pending trade with GO includes his 1st round pick for my 6th round pick (or whatever my worst is)

164

Great One
ID: 56051423
Sat, Jan 22, 2011, 11:43

What he said. GO

Mike D making a trade... its been a while! He used to be my competition for biggest wheeler and dealer. He must be in trade rehab.

165

Mike D
ID: 321046911
Sat, Jan 22, 2011, 12:46

LMAO. Very little time for fantasy sports this year and it certainly shows in many areas, including the TM category. :-)

166

Pacers Rule
ID: 16044422
Sun, Jan 23, 2011, 19:16

I just figured you saw the post about the trade deadline and panicked.

167

Mike D
ID: 140152321
Sun, Jan 23, 2011, 22:15

Was it that obvious??

168

Meatwads
ID: 1027299
Sat, Jan 29, 2011, 10:27

#163...The Billups/Varajao trade involved draft picks. When someone gets a chance can you post it on the ESPN home page? Not sure if it's neccesary but it's nice to be up to date with all the happenings. On a side note, I'm still shopping Ray Allen if there is any interested trade partners. I'm looking to pair him with another player in a 2-for-1 deal or get a solid draft pick upgrade.

169

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Jan 29, 2011, 13:34

What were the draft picks?

170

Mike D
ID: 180392919
Sat, Jan 29, 2011, 20:39

Trade with GO included his 1st round pick for my 6th round pick (or whatever my worst is)

171

Pacers Rule
ID: 16044422
Mon, Jan 31, 2011, 22:42

Collison's trade value just went up, not that you would trade him. Thankfully, so did Hibbert's, though he's not for sale. I'm afraid there will be more nights like this for Dunleavy. He has realized that he is just an 'expiring contract' to the Pacers now. They will gladly send him packing if they can get a decent prospect @ PF who is cap friendly.

172

Mike D
ID: 180392919
Mon, Jan 31, 2011, 23:20

I'll trade anybody in the right deal. :-)

I do like Collison, he was incredible last year, no reason anymore with OB gone that he can't regain that.

173

Great One
ID: 56051423
Tue, Feb 01, 2011, 17:50

pending deal (Hansborough/Harden) includes GO's 6th for cc's 2nd Rounder

174

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Thu, Feb 03, 2011, 20:29

Along the lines of a quality versus quantity comparison, I'm curious whose G20 teams are sporting multiple all-star players, and how related in general a team's # of all-stars is to it's current rank in the standings, if at all.

Specifically, how many (and who) are your all-stars and what is your team's rank?

175

Peter N.
ID: 54153320
Thu, Feb 03, 2011, 21:53

Looking for a decent player at the C position. 1st rounder is available. Send me an e-mail if you are interested.

176

Mike D
ID: 180392919
Thu, Feb 03, 2011, 22:04

Timofey Mozdogovosoeoeovsazdwzv

177

Mike D
ID: 180392919
Mon, Feb 07, 2011, 22:42

Trade with PD included his 2nd round pick for my 5th round pick

178

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Feb 09, 2011, 22:10

Oh the fun of plsying on royally sucky teams...

Sessions has stepped up to the big boys club of PGs in the new year, but especially in February.

179

Great One
ID: 3414219
Thu, Feb 10, 2011, 11:56

til Mo Williams comes back.

180

Mike D
ID: 180392919
Sat, Feb 12, 2011, 09:56

Trade with PD included his 2nd round pick for my 5th round pick

181

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Thu, Feb 17, 2011, 10:21

til Mo Williams reinjures himself.

Maurice might match Cotton Camby for the 'Mr. Glass' award. For a career he misses nearly 20% of every season.

182

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Thu, Feb 17, 2011, 10:28

Holy crap...I take that back. I went and calc'd Camby...he's at 33%. WOW! Thats insane.

183

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Mon, Feb 21, 2011, 23:10

I have three All-Stars: Ginobili, Wade, & Griffin. I'm in first place @ 148.

Coldwater has Amare but 2 notable snubs: Nash and Ellis. He's in second @ 125.

BMD has Kobe and Bosh, but also Josh Smith. He's in third @ 114.

Species in 4th (113) has Russell Westbrook. Bogut is his next closest.

YoungRoman has Carmelo and "All-Star" Duncan @ 111 - good enough for fifth place.

Vampire has Gasol and Pierce @ 6th with 109 pts.

Team Nashty has Steph Curry and Bron-Bron which keeps him up @ 7th @ 104.5. He also has Zebo and LO which should each count for half an all-star.

3 Blind Mice is in 8th @ the ASB with 103 pts due in large part to Dirk. No one else struck me as snubs for AS.

Meatwads has Rondo, Ray Ray, and fan all-star Yao Ming on the bench. He also has Lamarcus Aldridge and six weeks of K-mart, two notable AS snubs. Before K-mart, he also had all-star KG, yet somehow he is only @ 9th with 99 at the break. 'Sup with that having all these stud players?

Great One rounds out the top 10 @ 95.5 pts
with Deron Williams his lone All-Star. He has Billups who is still an All Star in my book but got very little AS love.

Dwight Howard and Joe Johnson have propelled First Place Knicksfan into first place of the bottom half with 91 pts. "First Place" KF also has David West.

The Blurred Crusaders round out the top 12 @ 88 points sporting Al Horford and Chris Paul.

The Kevin Love Fan Club has one All-Star thanks to David Stern. You can probably guess who he is. He's the primary reason the KLFC is in 13th with 87.

Guru is next @ 14 with 86 and some nice players including Boozer, Al Jefferson, and Iguodala, but unfortunately none of them made AS this year.

At 15th with 77 pts, RSF has no All-Stars. He does however have Millsap and David Lee, and let's not forget Ed Davis! RSF is an All-Star on these boards and has earned lots of fantasy love. Side note for PD - Bynum's G20 team is in first, Lee's team is in 15th. Coincidence? You decide!

Despite making no adds or drops this season, Frick has made it to 16th place on Darantula power and one trade.

Extreme Basketball appears to be in Extreme Lottery Hunt mode. Perhaps its illustrious GM, Mike D., is hoping to add a sixth point guard to his roster since he knows he has to keep Marc Gasol despite his lack of PG eligibility.

Team Slizz somehow is just 18th despite having John Wall. Parker got snubbed as an AS, but Vince Carter now is just half-man. Tyreke and Deng and Wilson Chandler bode well for the future of this young team.

Dave R has D. Rose but not enough horses to get above the 19 slot. Still, 19th is not 20th.

Somehow, Tyson Chandler has not saved PD's season. At 20th, PD has only a portion of KG's all-star season working for his team, and lost K-Mart to get KG. Since the Conley/Chandler trade, PD has gained 2 pts in FG%, lost 5 points in FT% (Chandler was hitting more than Conley early in the season, however), lost 4 points in 3's, gained 10 points each in Rebounds and Offensive Rebounds, lost 6 points in Assists and 10 points in Steals, and gained just a half point in Blocks while losing 12 points in scoring. Tough to say all those swings are due entirely to Chandler/Conley, but the changes seem to all be in the correct direction except that Blocks have been almost a wash and you know that's not a true reflection. Most of the changes are much more dramatic than I would have expected, except for Blocks and FG% which seem much less than expected. Probably a direct comparison of Chandler's stats versus Conley's stats during that time would be more telling, but I don't have a 'tool' to tell me those stats and I don't feel like adding them all up manually.

Well, it has been too long since a big old massive post was put up on here, and since no one was willing to do the checking on my All-stars question for me, I figured i might as well answer it myself and pass it along for anyone else who remotely gives a rip. Looks like the All-Stars are pretty well spread out, but not surprisingly it seems the teams in the top half have more. Interesting (or not) how the most All-Star laden team, arguably - Meatwads - is clearly mid-pack. No one will accuse Meatwads of being inactive, however. Check out his roster activation totals this season. Scary.

Enjoy the last third of the season, all? I wonder what will happen to team Naptown when I have to stop playing all these games.

184

Mike D
ID: 180392919
Tue, Feb 22, 2011, 18:36

Correct, I'm hoping to win the lottery and plan to select John Wall # 1 overall if I do.

185

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Feb 22, 2011, 22:44

Dirk has been hurt. My draft was a bust. To say that I'm in 8th (now 7th) due in large part to Dirk, is short-sighted.

186

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 11:15

Since I can't post a poll at ESPN, lets do it here:


Who is going to kick everyones ass in the last part of the season:

[a]-----RSF
[2]-----rsf
[iii]---RecycledSpinalFluid
[Four]--All of the above

187

Great One
ID: 401442310
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 11:45

Deron to the Nets? so my two best players are now both on the Nets?

Looking to deal either Deron or Brook... gotta break this thing up and diversify.

188

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 11:52

WOW! You dump Sloan, then you dump Deron. WOW!

189

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 22:54

Disgraceful is what it is. Jerry Sloan has given his life to basketball. It is also a disgrace that he has never won coach of the year. He consistently has had his somewhat challenged roster (since Stockton and Malone) over-achieving year after year. It's a different day. I'm surprised he hung on this long, to be honest with you. But the way he went out this year....Malone said it best "That man has never quit anything in his life."

{185} What? You expected 'fair and balanced' reporting?

RSF....do you have all the new Knicks or something?

GO...always fielding offers that include all-stars....even if they play for the Nets....wanting picks? 2 for 1? Make me an outrageously lowball offer and we'll go from there.

190

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 22:57

Go CHUCK HAYES Go!! 13 offensive boards tonight...woah! That's a G20 triple double, hehehe

191

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Thu, Feb 24, 2011, 11:58

Trying to figure out if I love or hate the BDiddy to CLE.

Love it because:
1. If you thought MoWilliams was fragile, BDiddy comes wrapped in bubble-wrap.
2. BDiddy pouts like a little beotch when on losing teams. Welcome to Cleveland, Baron.
3. The whole Byron Scott-Baron Davis history.

Hate it:
1. He's more talented than my man Ramon, when all of the previous notes aren't in play.

Maybe Baron can play more shooting guard. That'd be interesting. Or he can be quickly moved, like Rasheed Wallace a few years back.

192

Great One
ID: 161202314
Thu, Feb 24, 2011, 12:09

I'm really just looking to diversify my Nets a bit. But I am not really looking for a 2-1's or picks or anything. I like my 6 keepers, so just looking at swapping out that one spot with a comprable player to Deron or Brook if anyone is looking to shuffle things up.

193

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Thu, Feb 24, 2011, 12:26

Deron is pretty easy to 'make comparisons' to, but, this year, Brook is odd. I mean, I'd love him on my team, but a center that averages, what, 3 rebounds a game (ok...5, but less than 6) is crazy. I think I have shooting guards with better rebounding rates than that. I know my boy Humphries is a rebounding stud, but he shouldn't be killing Brooksie that bad.

I'd hope the Nets played it more uptempo, but i don't recall that as being the Lil' Generals style, although I might be wrong there.

194

Perm Dude -- out
ID: 281282411
Thu, Feb 24, 2011, 12:28

They haven't really played uptempo since Kidd & Jefferson were teamed up, unfortunately. But maybe they are hoping to pick up the pace with the trade. Certainly he's a guy who can really give a team a lot more movement and isn't afraid to go to the paint himself.

195

Great One
ID: 161202314
Thu, Feb 24, 2011, 12:34

Thats what is so odd about Brook, he is capable. He averaged between 8-9 rebounds the previous 2 seasons. Maybe this jumpstarts him.

196

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Thu, Feb 24, 2011, 13:04

Thats what I think too. If uptempo, then more ops too. He's too talented to be that low. Maybe the 'losing' is already getting to him.

I like Devin, but he's no Deron. Hopefully this gets him back on track.

197

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Thu, Feb 24, 2011, 14:35

HA! Great line from Chad Ford on Deron being reluctant to be on Nets:

"I think he's more unhappy about being blindsided by the Jazz. He didn't know anything about it until he watched "SportsCenter." He didn't get to manipulate the place he went the way Melo did. But I don't think you can read into it that he hates New Jersey. You need to give him a few weeks with Avery Johnson before we can start credibly writing that."

Thats classic...and so true.

198

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Thu, Feb 24, 2011, 16:49

Aaron Brooks for Goran Dragic? I think Dork Elvis might me moving to the 'over-rated' side.

199

beastiemiked
ID: 51029311
Thu, Feb 24, 2011, 23:29

Really Bosh, 1-18. That has to be one of the worst shooting nights ever for a 50% FG shooter.

200

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Fri, Feb 25, 2011, 00:33

I think he has been reading some motivational literature and must have just finished the chapter on believing in himself.

Baron Davis to the worst team in Basketball is poetic justice. Bask in the radiant results of selfish play, Mr. Davis.

201

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Feb 25, 2011, 08:41

During that Miami game, the announcers pointed out that it was the worst shooting night in the NBA since a 1-22 night by someone in 1976,

202

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 25, 2011, 10:34

Tim Hardaway went 0-17 in '91.

203

Peter N.
ID: 221502520
Fri, Feb 25, 2011, 21:50

Deal with RSF also includes my 5th for his 6th. RSF to confirm.

204

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Sat, Feb 26, 2011, 01:34

What he said. Lets see if another RSF-Peter N. trade can vault him to a championship. Go JR...wait...he's not on my team anymore. N/M.

205

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Feb 26, 2011, 10:00

This trade is way out of whack. I paid a lot more for Humphries. JR is a really nice player.

206

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 00:06

I'll admit its a relative bargin for Pete, but everyone kept rejecting deals. Gotta go with the best out there.

207

beastiemiked
ID: 51029311
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 00:13

He has a little potential but I'd bet my left hand he won't be kept. The Nuggets have 22 games left. How much is a somebody that'll play 22 games and most likely put up decent but not spectacular numbers worth? Now how much is a guy like that worth to someone that is a huge underdog to win this league?

I might've made the same trade with RSF. Not sure, I don't really have anyone that is an easy drop and the difference between JR and Reggie Williams probably isn't too much(probably not enough to sacrifice a small draft downgrade for a small chance JR would move me up a spot or 2 in the standings). Not sure if JR would even crack my starting lineup unless I had some guys go down with an injury.

At this point in the season every team like RSF(no hope for the money, sorry rsf) SHOULD absolutely be giving away guys for really cheap that aren't keeper worthy. I don't fault people for asking for too much but if it's a guy that you are 99% positive isn't going to be a keeper than any kind of upgrade is better than just sitting on him.

208

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 02:16

OT: Pete, I've had 2 recent spam emails come in from your email address.

209

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 10:18

207: Well he had my 5th for his 6th already, this deal means I get to keep mine and he gets Pete's instead. It's an upgrade as Pete pushes to get to top 6. He basically gave him away. Doesn't matter if they are being kept or not. He wasn't keeping Humprhries. I am all for trying to extract what you can where it makes sense, I just didn't feel like this deal made sense.

210

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 14:21

#208: It just isn't nice to call his trade offers "spam."

211

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 16:48

208: Pete has that Ebola.

212

Peter N.
ID: 221502520
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 17:43

RE:208 - Yeah, I don't know whats going on there. I hadn't logged in in ahile. I tried to deactivate the account, but couldn't figure out how to. I went ahead and removed all contacts so hope that hlps.

213

Great One
ID: 101552711
Sun, Feb 27, 2011, 18:10

I thought Pete was trying to teach my how to "extend" myself...

214

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Feb 28, 2011, 20:03

The Maggette-Peja deal includes these clauses:

1. RSF gets the rights to swap Peter Nash's 2011.5th rounder (owned by RSF) for youngroman's 2011.5th rounder, if youngroman's is an earlier pick. If triggered, this completes the deal.

2. If option trigger 1 isn't done, then RSF gets the option to swap RSF.2012-6th rounder for the YR.2012-6th Rounder, if youngroman's selection is earlier than RSF's selection.

3. If trigger 1 and 2 don't occur, the deal stands as Maggette for Stojakovic.

215

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Tue, Mar 01, 2011, 00:32

Jamison is available to anyone that is looking for a keeper. Looking to acquire a fill in quality player. Open to possibilities.

216

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 03:36

Chuck Hayes, Jason Terry, Shane Battier available for pick upgrades next year.

217

Meatwads
ID: 372228
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 09:03

OJ Mayo, Carl Landry, Marcus Thornton, Caron Butler, Yao Ming and Paul George are each available for the right upgraded draft pick. Ray Allen and Thaddeus Young are also available but only in a deal that I recieve a keeper I value higher. Lamarcus Aldridge, Rajon Rondo, Kevin Martin and Greg Monroe are untouchable barring an offer I can't refuse.

218

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 10:39

GO, now I'm getting spam from you (and sadly its not a trade offer).

219

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 16:21

Can anyone trade a non-keeper worth anything w/o asking for your right leg?

218: yeah GO is trying to give me his Ebola he got from Pete.

220

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 16:31

Anyone watch Harry's Law?

221

Peter N.
ID: 0233218
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 19:37

RE:218, 219 - I researched my e-mails and it appears azdbacker(from way back in the day) is who gave me the Ebola. Did erasing my contacts for that e-mail do the trick? I don't use that hotmail account anymore anyway so hopefully so!

222

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 00:03

HOLY CRAP!!! Anthony Randolph has emerged from the Federal Witness Protection Program!

223

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 00:30

Chuck Hayes, Jason Terry, Shane Battier available for pick upgrades next year.

Wow, pretty confident eh.

224

PR
ID: 570421415
Mon, Mar 07, 2011, 11:00

With just about 5 weeks to go, and no one making a run lately, I thought it was at least worth exploring. Not that I would trade all three. Still, they might be keepers for someone, esp. Hayes, so someone might be willing to at least give their left leg.

225

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 11:50

Tweet from Chris Ramsay:
C-Webb on NBA TV: Heat have to go 18-0 down stretch to match last year's Cavs team record.

Thats interesting. The 'SuperTeam' isn't as good as the squad he had on the other side of the fence.

Dude...Bron...you teamed up with Chris Bosh...what did you think would happen?

226

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 11:53

If one of the managers at the top of the standings is looking for some 3s down the stretch ... Anthony Morrow and Mike Miller are both available.

227

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 11:56

As well as Charlie V...when the heck did he become a 3-pt gunner???

228

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 23:23

Trade with Peter N.

Tosh gets Nazr Mohammed and PeterN's Round 3 pick
PeterN gets Anthony Morrow and Tosh's Round 5 pick

229

Peter N.
ID: 0233218
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 23:31

I concur.

230

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 12, 2011, 10:56

[227] As well as Charlie V...when the heck did he become a 3-pt gunner?

Back at UConn. Of course, it also got him a quick Calhoun hook back to the bench on many occasions - unless he happened to be making them that day.

To this day, whenever I watch a UConn game and some player starts jacking up 3s indiscriminately, I always shout at the TV, "Who do you think you are - Charlie Villanueva?!"

231

RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 2511311412
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 11:16

The end is near...

Make your trade offers with me soon before the deadline passes.

I think I put out a few offers the other day as well.

232

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 12:29

Trade announcement:

Peter N gets:
Jason Terry
Chuck Hayes
PR's 6th round pick in 2011

Pacers Rule gets:
Mike Bibby
Ben Wallace
Peter N's 2nd round pick in 2011

233

Peter N.
ID: 332231422
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 13:30

Trade with PR includes my 2nd for his 6th.

234

Great One
ID: 48281723
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 22:10

With Deron looking at a shutdown I have a few guys for sale similarly... Landry Fields (leading rebounder among guards in the league, 22 years old)... Chase Budinger has been great since the trade deadline (22 years old).... Dejaun Blair or BIllups I'd consider moving and then keeping one of the above instead.

235

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 22:48

Trades updated in League Constitution.

236

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 00:12

I have some guys I could move too.

237

Meatwads
ID: 462162217
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 18:16

If anyone is looking to make a last minute deal, feel free to contact me. I'm open to trading picks for players, or players for picks.

238

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Fri, Mar 25, 2011, 11:06

Anthony Randolph says "Thanks Wally Pipp, last night was Fun Fun Fun."

239

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Mon, Mar 28, 2011, 00:04

Just to keep things interesting, Wade and Ginobili (2 of my top 6) left their games tonight with injuries. Wade was able to return, but not Gino. With both of them officially DTD, we'll see if trading Terry and Hayes comes back to bite me.

240

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 28, 2011, 00:31

Gino has a left quad contusion--he's day to day. Spurs have a full schedule, but I can't see them putting him out there too much at this point in the season.

241

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Mar 28, 2011, 19:26

Woohoo!! Michael Redd getting some burn (and its not burning sensation in a knee)!

242

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Sat, Apr 09, 2011, 23:51

Thankfully, Gino was able to just miss one game. It seems they will rest him down the stretch but maybe not...whatever Pop thinks will get them hitting on all cylinders to start the playoffs, which usually of course means some rest or at least reduced minutes for his "old" guys.

Wade is his usual 'day to day but play like an all-star' self, also having missed just one game the last couple weeks. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good.

What do you think, BMD? How strong is your kick down the stretch? You took me in blocks and points for a four point swing. Good time for your team to peak! Or have you been sneaking up on me for a while now?

William- any gas left in the tank for a final push and/or to hold off Nashty?

Peter...are Hayes and the Jet going to get you enough stats and games played to overtake BMD or Coyotes? Terry is supposedly out of the doghouse already.

Tight race for the five-spot down the stretch.....looking like it could be a four man photo finish.

243

Peter N.
ID: 28343100
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 01:43

My goal is to finish 2nd. It's a tall order, but anything can happen!

244

Mike D
ID: 5937410
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 21:21

My team has been on fire of late, severely damaging my balls (ping pong)

245

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 22:59

Wow. It's a TJ Ford sighting tonight. Not played since January. I wonder what will happen this summer for him as a free agent. Obviously he won't be a Pacer, but he's an NBA starter in my opinion. Just not a young guy and not an all-star, so he may or may not get that shot. More likely, he will make a very very strong backup for a contending team like Boston.

246

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 02:38

Definitely more likely to be passed by Pete than somehow pass Pacers. I doubt either happens but you never know I guess.

Best case scenario is I gain 7 points and that's a extreme long shot. That includes gaining in FG% and FT% both of which I'm barely ahead of a bunch of teams in both. Most likely is I'll gain 2 points in the counting categories and lose 1-2 in the % cats.

247

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 11:19

5th thru 8th place are all bunched up. Only two are going to be in the money though.

248

Pacers Rule
ID: 53361217
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 18:36

BMD, it feels like you get closer to me every night. Looks like Blocks could be a photo finish for us, but it seems you have secured the points championship with a 150 point lead and 12 games to go (10 for you). I'd have to outscore you by 10 points a game...which seems a stretch.

Pete, you'll have to have a couple big nights here to move all the way up to two, but you and coldwater are pretty tight for the three spot.

Best of Luck, all.

249

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 09:46

Congrats PR and to the rest of the top 6!

250

Great One
ID: 4733559
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 09:48

Great work PR!

This is the one league I continue to struggle in, and this year was all about Brook Lopez and his mysterious rebounding... but I'll get it figured out one of these days. Looking forward to next year.

251

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 10:52

Congrats Pacer's Rule!

...(time lapse)...

Next year is mine!

I have grabbed all final rosters.

252

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 10:54

I think Brook is beastly next year with a full season from Deron (that is unless you want to trade him to me cheaply...in that case he sucks and its a downward career trend and he'll never come out of it...:)

253

Great One
ID: 4733559
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 11:03

Yeah, he is like 22 years old. And really picked it up at the end of the year.

254

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 11:09

Congrats PR!

255

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 11:32

Nice job, PR.

256

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 12:51

Even though I finished in 13th place ... I am the only manager to win two categories.

257

beastiemiked
ID: 541322823
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 21:29

Congrats PR. The lead you built up was pretty amazing.

Had a lot of fun this year. It's nice when every waiver wire guy you pick up just starts raking(Gortat, Tony Allen, Bayless, Douglas). Really wish we had another week or 2, I think I might've snuck into 1st :)

Just a FYI, as of now, Nicolas Batum, Antawn Jamison, George Hill, and Toney Douglas are all not being kept. Always open to discussions.

258

Peter N.
ID: 28343100
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 21:46

Congrats PR! Very impressive!

259

Mike D
ID: 180392919
Fri, Apr 15, 2011, 00:20

Well done PR.

I thought Lopez was a PG. No, they rebound better.

260

Pacers Rule
ID: 53361217
Fri, Apr 15, 2011, 01:35

ha ha ha ha ha. Best one of the season right there.

Thanks all.

261

Pistol Pete
ID: 51343159
Fri, Apr 15, 2011, 11:31

Way to go, PR! Congrats.

262

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Sat, Apr 16, 2011, 09:15

I have to give credit to Greg Popovich. Without his decision to move to a more perimeter oriented offense, Manu would not have had his career season which probably put me over the top. Of course, a lot of other things went my way this year as well, like Blake Griffin playing a full season as the human highlight reel and Tyson Chandler and Shane Battier slipping in the draft. Terry might have been a little bit of a disappointment as a round one pick, Dunleavy was a weak pick in round 2, and losing Caron Butler to season ending surgery were some lowlights of my season. Fortunately, Bynum came back strong as I had hoped, Tyson played like the motivated Team USA player I hoped he would when I drafted him, and Battier didn't get traded to Memphis until late in the season. I think trading Tyson for Conley was a key for my season too because he was a better fit for my team at that point. I had just lost Caron (or was just going to lose him) and his steals and was getting Bynum....so giving up Chandlers' big man production for some small ball was just the ticket to help me gain in steals and assists and holding in threes since I was already pretty set in Boards and Blocks, and somehow was ok in FG% too (I think with Bynum coming back and losing Caron - both of those offset the loss of FG% in Chandler to Conley). Chuck Hayes being available on the waiver wire was another boon to help as a glue guy - esp. when I lost most of Battier's production down the stretch to his trade. Hopefully now with a core of young bigs in Bynum, Griffin and Hibbert and a balanced group of smalls in Ginobili, Wade, and Conley, I have a chance to stay competitive for a while.

263

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Sat, Apr 16, 2011, 17:04

Re: 257
I won't lie to you, until the final days, I was sweating it...that you might do just that. I was starting to second guess trading Terry and Hayes....for pick #38 next season. If Wade and Ginobili or any of my other guys for that matter had missed significant time the last two weeks, things could have turned out pretty differently.

264

beastiemiked
ID: 67181118
Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 22:26

bump? Let's get this rolling...

265

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Dec 01, 2011, 16:56

Yeah, I'm ready to kick everyones ass again, like last year...or...maybe the year before...or...uh...When do we start again?

266

Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Sun, Dec 04, 2011, 21:09

Did G20 get a new CBA done, or are we in a lockout too? Who's our union, er, trade association president? Tell 'em to settle, we want to play ball!

267

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 12:32

We are struggling to find a Commish-type person that has enough free time to get this thing fired up the way it deserves

If someone is able to step up, and assist in moving forward, that would be great.

We need to
* Get confirmations asap.
* Declare keepers.
* Draft.

Any takers???????

268

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Dec 06, 2011, 12:42

We could always do a live draft this year. That would take a lot of the work out of it.

269

KnicksFan
ID: 521025298
Thu, Dec 08, 2011, 12:48

I'm back for another go round.

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