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| Posted by: Perm Dude
- [3210201915] Tue, Oct 09, 2012, 15:33
Let's get this going. Check in here.
Tosh's earlier post:
So ... what's the status here?
I personally lost a bunch of enthusiasm for the NBA after the lockout last season. I honestly did not care if they played or not.
Once they agreed to play, Gurupie20 had a terrible time getting started. It was way too close to XMas, and the regular Commish's were unable to get things organized. It was only the Greatness of the Guru himself that we started on time. Thanks again for that Guru!
So here we go ...
1. Who are the Commissioners?
2. Is everyone returning?
3. What is the keeper deadline? (Currently set for Noon on Tuesday 10/16)
4. When does the draft start? (Currently set for Noon on Thursday 10/18)
5. When are we processing the lottery?
6. Are we drafting at drafttime again?
FYI - Five teams have announced their keepers at the website.
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| | | 1 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Tue, Oct 09, 2012, 15:55
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I'll be back.
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| | | 2 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Oct 09, 2012, 16:02
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11-12 Traded Draft Picks
12/12/11 pre-season
To PermDude ~~ 2012.Round 2 (from Meatwads)
To Meatwads ~~ 2012.Round 3 (from RecycledSpinalFluid)
To RecycledSpinalFluid ~~ 2012.Round 1 (from Permdude)
12/17/11 pre-season
To beastiemiked ~~ 2012.Round 4 (from Coldwater Coyotes)
To Coldwater Coyotes ~~ 2012.Round 6 (from beastiemiked)
12/20/11 pre-season
To Skinneej ~~ 2012.Round 5 (from RecycledSpinalFluid)
To RecycledSpinalFluid ~~ 2012.Round 3 (from Skinneej)
01/26/12
To RecycledSpinalFluid ~~ Norris Cole & 2012.Round 2 (from beastiemiked)
To beastiemiked ~~ Lou Williams & 2012.Round 6(from RecycledSpinalFluid)
02/11/12
To Peter N. ~~ Chauncey Billups & 2012.Round 1 (from Great One)
To Great One ~~ Chris Kaman & 2012.Round 5 (from Peter N.)
02/15/12
To Peter N. ~~ Byron Mullens & 2012.Round 3 (from Meatwads )
To Meatwads ~~ Antawn Jamison & 2012.Round 6 (from Peter N.)
02/20/12
To youngroman ~~ Kawhi Leonard & 2012.Round 3 (from/via RecycledSpinalFluid - 12/12/11)
To Meatwads ~~ Tim Duncan & 2012.Round 6 (from youngroman)
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| | | 3 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Tue, Oct 09, 2012, 16:08
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and apparently I'll be sans 1st Round pick!
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| | | 4 | Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Tue, Oct 09, 2012, 17:16
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I'm back, PD, and I'm not a commish :-)
I've identified my keepers on the website, but in the past we also did so on a dedicated thread. A week before the scheduled draft is probably a good time to check in, PD. Thanks for doing so.
Last year I used my first round pick on Bismack Biyombo...a raw rookie with lots of upside. Charlotte brought him along slowly as he had much to adjust to in the NBA game. As I understand it now, he is slotted to start at C for the Bobcats and should see a nice leap in a number of areas, including minutes. I think he averaged 1.8 blocks a game last year as rook. If you're interested in making him part of your squad, he's available for a pick upgrade.
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| | | 5 | jseth333
ID: 507151215
Tue, Oct 09, 2012, 17:27
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VampireWeekend is back.
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| | | 6 | KnicksFan
ID: 5793698
Tue, Oct 09, 2012, 17:32
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Back
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| | | 8 | dpr
ID: 9513258
Tue, Oct 09, 2012, 17:57
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I will be back and will be probably looking to add a keeper or so to my list. Not in basketball mode yet tho.
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| | | 9 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Tue, Oct 09, 2012, 18:34
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Biyombo is a very good sleeper pick. I thought you picked him too early last year PR, but if you had the room to stash him he'll probably pay you some dividends this year. A double-double season, plus about 2 blocks /game, isn't out of the question.
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| | | 10 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Tue, Oct 09, 2012, 18:42
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Back
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| | | 11 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Oct 09, 2012, 19:41
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I'm back, especially since I'm loaded with draft picks. Lets see if I can't Dez Mason this draft.
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| | | 12 | Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Tue, Oct 09, 2012, 20:34
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Thanks PD. I probably did pick him too early. I was on the clock without a lot of time and he had just been inked to a deal IIRC and I pounced. Still, I already had a solid six keepers so I was hoping to nab a player I could turn into a nice trade at some point, beit picks or to upgrade my keepers. It's about time to execute that plan. All offers considered, don't be shy. I'd also package Ginobili and Biyombo for a younger guard if anyone is interested in that.
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| | | 13 | Meatwads
ID: 394921
Tue, Oct 09, 2012, 22:28
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I'm back. I'm open to discussing trades. I probably have more than 6 keeper options, depending on who you ask. I'm open to discussing anyone on my roster but obviously some of them will cost more than others.
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| | | 14 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Tue, Oct 09, 2012, 22:43
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Back.
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| | | 15 | skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 01:09
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I'm ready to go!
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| | | 17 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 02:58
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1. Beastie MikeD --- YES
2. Mighty Meatwads --- YES
3. Team Perm Dudes --- YES
4. Roto Guru
5. Naptown 'Nados --- YES
6. Skinnee J's --- YES
7. GO Second City Saints --- YES
8. youngroman's Luschen
9. Kevin Love Fan Club --- YES
10. Vampire Weekend --- YES
11. coldwater coyotes
11. Blurred Crusaders
13. First Place KnicksFan --- YES
14. 3 Blind Mice
15. SANFORDORS --- YES
16. IND Frick's DTD
17. Endangered Species
18. Team Nashty
19. Team Slamdunkers123 --- YES
20. On the banks of the Mississippi --- YES
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| | | 18 | youngroman
ID: 56523304
Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 07:47
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I am also back. will be interesting to see if Leonard is already better than Duncan this season. I hope so.
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| | | 19 | Frick
ID: 2193319
Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 08:38
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I'm in for one more year.
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| | | 20 | Frick
ID: 2193319
Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 08:48
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Looking at my roster, I'm looking to move a player or two.
J.R. Smith
Jason Thompson
Andrea Bargnani
George Hill
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| | | 21 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 12:55
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We still need confirmation from 6 managers. Including the three managers I consider the Commissioners (Ref, Species, Guru)
I wonder if I should read anything into that??
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| | | 22 | coldwater coyotes
ID: 189421012
Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 13:42
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In
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| | | 23 | Species
ID: 124591311
Wed, Oct 10, 2012, 17:13
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Thanks Tosh for stepping up and ringing the alarm.
I am back. Yes, Commishes are me and Ref, with Guru more of a backup.
I see us using Draftime again. I'll look to get that set up this weekend.
Those draft dates probably will need to be pushed back.
I will endeavor to get a draft grid going lottery primed and Draftime started over the weekend.
PS - I have Tristan Thompson and Jonas Valanciunas as recent very high draft picks with upside available.
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| | | 24 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Oct 11, 2012, 09:58
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You should be able to simply "renew" on Draftime now, which automatically sends invites back to all those from previous year.
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| | | 25 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 11, 2012, 14:57
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sorry- sidetracked. I'm in.
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| | | 26 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Oct 11, 2012, 15:03
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Seventeen down. THREE confirmations to go ...
Pistol Pete
Ref
Pete N.
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| | | 27 | Pete N.
ID: 178192421
Fri, Oct 12, 2012, 00:05
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I'm in.
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| | | 28 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Oct 12, 2012, 00:12
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Ref should check in soon. Caught him on GLB.
I think Guru has to "renew" the draft on Draftime. I've dropped him an email to do so. I've also asked him to run the lottery. Here is what the draft order will be, excluding the lottery and trades:
1. RSF
2. dpr
3. Pete N
4. Species
5. Frick
6. Dave R
7. Ref
8. KnicksFan
9. Pacers Rule
10.coldwater coyotes
11.Vampire Weekend
12.Tosh
13.youngroman
14.Great One
15.skinneej
16.Pacers Rule
17.Guru
18.PermDude
19.Meatwads
20.bmd
We need to run the lottery, and I have asked for Guru's assistance for that. Everyone from RSF through Great One is eligible.
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| | | 29 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Oct 12, 2012, 00:18
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#9 should be 'Pistol Pete', and not Pacers.
Still need to track him down.
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| | | 30 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Oct 12, 2012, 00:20
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Thanks Tosh. GURU, please use this list:
1. RSF
2. dpr
3. Pete N
4. Species
5. Frick
6. Dave R
7. Ref
8. KnicksFan
9. Pistol Pete
10.coldwater coyotes
11.Vampire Weekend
12.Tosh
13.youngroman
14.Great One
15.skinneej
16.Pacers Rule
17.Guru
18.PermDude
19.Meatwads
20.bmd
Emailed Pistol Pete from the ESPN website.....
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| | | 31 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 12, 2012, 08:55
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I just renewed the league on draftime. It looks like all of last year's managers are already pre-registered. But it wouldn't hurt to check your draftime account and see if the league shows up in your list of current drafts.
I'll run the lottery later today.
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| | | 32 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Oct 12, 2012, 15:05
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woah, I am definitely not a commish and haven't been since '08. I am not sure how I am going to give my team the proper time and respect but I guess I can try. It is really bad so would be open to offers to acquire keepers.
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| | | 33 | Pistol Pete
ID: 50910919
Fri, Oct 12, 2012, 15:35
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Glad I checked in today! Just like last year, I didn't get the email from the espn site.
I'm in for another go round!
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| | | 34 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 12, 2012, 15:58
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I'll run the lottery within the next 10 minutes. The spreadsheet with the number combinations is here:
G20-Oct12-14x4_balls.xls
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| | | 35 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 12, 2012, 16:03
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Lottery is complete. Audit copies of random numbers was sent to ref and youngroman.
Pick #1: Dave R
Pick #2: Ref
Pick #3: RSF
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| | | 36 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Fri, Oct 12, 2012, 16:18
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Geeeezus! I quit.
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| | | 37 | youngroman
ID: 56523304
Fri, Oct 12, 2012, 16:25
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random numbers confirmed.
what are the odds that the #6 and #7 go ahead the #1 in the lottery.? is this likelier than having 4 game 5's in the divisional series. I guess so but not by much.
I stay at #13. looks like I don't need to search for top rookies this year.
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| | | 38 | Species
ID: 124591311
Fri, Oct 12, 2012, 16:40
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Wow.....that sucks for team Species....drop from 4 to 6!
Thanks for completing that, Guru. At some point this weekend I'll create the draft order in Draftime. I'll also finalize the keeper and draft dates.
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| | | 39 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Fri, Oct 12, 2012, 16:46
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Well let's hope it helps me. I honestly have not looked at anything whatsoever and have no idea who is even available save for one. Maybe I can make some time soon.
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| | | 40 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 12, 2012, 16:48
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[37] since you asked...
Odds the the first pick will not go to one of the bottom 5: 21.2%
Odds that neither of the first two picks will go to a team in the bottom 5: a little over 4%
Odds that RSF will get screwed in the lottery: 1,000,000%
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| | | 41 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Oct 12, 2012, 17:41
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Funny stuff Guru. Reminds me of a tweet I saw during last night's OAK-DET game ...
"Tigers win expectancy odds up to 97%. It's probably 99% if they leave Verlander in, and about 13% if they put Valverde in."
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| | | 42 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Oct 12, 2012, 22:28
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Trade between Species and Dave R:
Species gets:
Dave R's 2012 3rd rounder
Dave R gets:
Tristan Thompson
Species' 2012 4th rounder
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| | | 43 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Oct 12, 2012, 22:53
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Okay. I have set up the draft in Draftime and entered in all of the trades. Hmmmmm......looks like we can't really review the order for accuracy until I open the draft.
I'm proposing KEEPERS due by Wednesday at 12:00pm ET.
I'm proposing STARTING THE DRAFT on Friday at 10:00am ET.
Four hour clocks to start. Blackout times from 11:00PM ET to 9:00am ET
Those are all open for discussion. Any thoughts? Let me know.
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| | | 44 | Pete N.
ID: 178192421
Sat, Oct 13, 2012, 13:31
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I can't believe I'm considering keeping Omer Asik. My team is rough.
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| | | 45 | skinneej
ID: 14911313
Sat, Oct 13, 2012, 14:01
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I've got several players that may be of help to teams needing stronger keepers. Looking for pick upgrades or keeper upgrades.
Guards: Isaiah Thomas, Gerald Henderson
Forwards: Brand, Kirilenko
Centers: Hawes
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| | | 46 | Meatwads
ID: 394921
Sun, Oct 14, 2012, 18:08
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I'm putting Marcus Thornton, Tim Duncan and Kevin Martin on the trade block. I've been offered two pick upgrades for Thornton so that will have to be bested for me to consider trading him. I'm also open to discussing Duncan/Thornton or Martin for a keeper upgrade. I'll be on gmail most of the time until keepers are due so I'll get back to everyone quickly.
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| | | 47 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Sun, Oct 14, 2012, 22:17
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Baron Davis is available for 3 future first round picks.
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| | | 48 | Species
ID: 124591311
Mon, Oct 15, 2012, 12:25
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Ok....having not heard concerns to the contrary, the timing in Post 43 is what we're going with. I'll turn on (and immediately pause) the Draft on Draftime.......and I need everyone to review their draft picks please. I make mistakes so I could have erred on a trade.
Keepers will be declared both in a Keeper thread (which I will create tonight) on the board and on the ESPN site. I will start a draft discussion thread for anyone to post trade offers.....scheduling issues, etc.
I'll ask Guru to collect money for the prize pool.
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| | | 49 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 15, 2012, 15:24
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[48] I don't think you can make our picks visible until keepers have been entered.
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| | | 50 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Mon, Oct 15, 2012, 16:47
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Anyone have any Cs they can't keep who could actually help me?
Thanks for all the offers thus far. I am mulling through them and should get back with mist of you tonight.
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| | | 51 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Oct 15, 2012, 20:57
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I'm having keepers posted in this thread. This will also serve as your Draft Discussion thread. If you want to solicit trade offers, post absences, ask for help with picks, etc.....post there.
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| | | 52 | skinneej
ID: 11192115
Mon, Oct 15, 2012, 23:43
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For those that have sent me inquiries for the players above, I'm looking to make a deal by tonight or sometime in the morning.
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| | | 53 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Oct 16, 2012, 08:45
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Fixed the keeper date.....should be good now.
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| | | 54 | Meatwads
ID: 394921
Tue, Oct 16, 2012, 11:39
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Where can I see the draft board so I can see where people are picking for trading purposes?
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| | | 55 | skinneej
ID: 14911313
Tue, Oct 16, 2012, 12:59
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As part of the Hawes/Thomas trade, Ref and I are swapping picks in both the 4th and 5th rounds.
Henderson, Brand and AK47 are still available for similar pick upgrades.
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| | | 56 | Meatwads
ID: 394921
Tue, Oct 16, 2012, 13:41
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
Slamdunkers123 receieves :
Marcus Thornton, G, SAC
Meatwads - 2012 4th round pick (79th)
Meatwads - 2012 6th round pick (119th)
Meatwads receieve :
Joel Anthony, C, MIA
Slamdunkers123 - 2012 2nd round pick (22nd)
Slamdunkers123 - 2012 4th round pick (62nd)
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| | | 57 | dpr
ID: 9513258
Tue, Oct 16, 2012, 13:41
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David West, Thad Young, and Ray Felton would all be available or pick upgrades. They are generally considered top 100 players so it seems someone should have interest.
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| | | 58 | dpr
ID: 9513258
Tue, Oct 16, 2012, 13:45
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and confirmed above
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| | | 59 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Tue, Oct 16, 2012, 14:25
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Trade
GO's 5th + Mo Williams to PD for PD's 3rd Rounder
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| | | 60 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Tue, Oct 16, 2012, 14:37
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confirmed
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| | | 61 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Tue, Oct 16, 2012, 15:09
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That trade isn't due to go through until after the keeper deadline. If there are no objections, can a commish push that through tomorrow morning so I can declare keepers on the ESPN page?
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| | | 62 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Oct 16, 2012, 16:36
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What Keith Smart does with all those Sactown shooters is going to be interesting. Aaron Brooks had a nice little night as the starting PG, but man, that squad is soooo interchangeable its hard to read.
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| | | 63 | Species
ID: 124591311
Tue, Oct 16, 2012, 17:10
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54: Sorry....I didn't realize we couldn't see the draft order in draftime until keepers are entered. I assume with your trade completed you are cool?
61: Will look to do that for any trades completed today.....hopefully tonight.
Post-keepers, I *might* be interested in trading the #6 pick for a stable veteran......particularly one who can score. The player I'm interested in is established but not a superstar (obviously!)......kind of like a Tony Parker..... 2 or 3 decent years left but on the downside of their careers.
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| | | 64 | Great One
ID: 512531316
Tue, Oct 16, 2012, 23:16
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You should have made a lower offer on 29 year old Mo Williams who would get you similar production of a Tony Parker at a fraction of the cost. ESPN - Mo Williams' last season (2010-11) as a full-time starting point guard, he averaged 15.8 points, 5.3 assists and 2.3 3s.
Nick pickup by PD.
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| | | 65 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 01:23
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64 Apples and Oranges, GO. I'm looking for a post-keepers deal.
Pushed through the 2 trades.....added them to the site and Draftime.
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| | | 66 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 11:47
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Still needing to declare keepers on our keeper thread:
Pete N.
coldwater coyotes
youngroman
skinneej
Hit Pete up on FB and emailed yr. Didn't have cc's or skinny j's emails handy.
Hopefully their keepers are correct in ESPN.
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| | | 67 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 12:04
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Oh I got ya... once the draft starts, make an offer with a keeper player for #6.
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| | | 68 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 12:12
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Ooops. yr's were there.
cc just put his in.
I'm using Pete's and skinneej's from the ESPN site.
Entering keepers now.
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| | | 69 | skinneej
ID: 14911313
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 12:15
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Yes those were my keepers. Thanks for posting them.
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| | | 70 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 12:27
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Okay, I entered the keepers, started and then paused the draft.....please review your keepers and your draft picks. I tried to enter everything carefully, but if you got Jim Johnson the Baltimore closer instead of Joe Johnson the Brooklyn guard, please advise.
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| | | 71 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 12:31
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I'm not sure when keepers actually "run" in ESPN (overnight?) so we can search the ESPN site for available players. We need that to happen before I can start the draft without a clock.
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| | | 72 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 12:32
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When the draft is 'stopped', we are frozen out. Unable to see anything except the message "Current Draft Status: Stopped"
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| | | 73 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 12:35
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I think you need to turn the draft on but turn off the clock. Then we can pick at will. Then Friday at 10 am you simply turn on the clock again. Like Tosh said, it won't work at all when the draft is stopped or paused.
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| | | 75 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 12:39
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72: Ah, thanks. Apparently I suck at this commish stuff.
And.......it seems ESPN does accurately display the free agents on the site....so we're good to go! You can't pick them up yet, as they are shown as still on a team, but for draft purposes for now you can see who is available.
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| | | 76 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 12:42
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[71] I think you have to click "Begin Offline Draft" for keepers to be processed and free agents to be released.
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| | | 77 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 14:22
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Yeah if everyone has marked their keepers, you should be able to process these and remove them from teams like Guru said.
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| | | 78 | Species
ID: 124591311
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 14:50
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76 & 77: did that......but can't seem to turn off waivers from my phone. Any chance either of you can adjust that?
Draft notes and reminders:
- Draft is open in Draftime with no clock. Teams may pick at any time. They may also wait. Clock starts Friday morning.
- Teams are responsible to pick up their own players in ESPN. Commissioners will try to help, but may be delayed.
- Obviously, sometimes a manager will neglect to pick up a player. ESPN's free agent listing is a helpful guide.....but ultimately Draftime is the place of record for who is available to draft.
- A player must be in the ESPN database to be eligible, however.......so please check ESPN before pulling the trigger on Draftime.
Thanks. Let's have a great draft. Good luck to all.
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| | | 79 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 14:59
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I might be interested in dropping down a couple spots or perhaps more. Not sure I'd be offered enough in return to make it worthwhile.
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| | | 80 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 15:05
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My only 5th round pick should be Pete's... and my 5.14 should be swapped with PD's 3rd (I think I have his 2nd instead on draftime).
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| | | 81 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 15:06
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wrote that poorly... I acquired PeteN's 5th (for my 1st which it looks like he has). That should be my only pick that round.
I traded away my own 5th for PD's 3rd in the offseason.
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| | | 82 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 16:06
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I dropped Lou Williams on April 25th(season ended April 26th). How is he on someone's roster?
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| | | 83 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 16:21
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Here is the Lou Williams pickup last year
Although the add was done after the last regular season game, the waiver claim (by RSF) was probably placed beforehand.
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| | | 84 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 16:57
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Kevin Love expected to miss 6-8 weeks.
Time for me to start playing for 2013-14 now. Thanks 2012-13 season. It was fun.
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| | | 85 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 18:03
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Wow! Still keeping the team name?
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| | | 86 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 18:10
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Well, we ain't likely gonna' change it to the "OJ Mayo Fan Club"!
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| | | 87 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 18:16
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Perhaps to [Kevin Love's hand specialist] Fan Club.
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| | | 88 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 18:28
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Coming up with a new team sure beats working! (Don't tell the Boss)
New Name for now - "Kevin Love Hand Club for Men"
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| | | 89 | skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 20:02
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Per the trade in post 55 with Ref, I now own 4.07 and 5.07 and he owns 4.15 and 5.15.
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| | | 90 | Species
ID: 124591311
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 20:25
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81 and 89 - corrected those. Should b correct now.
Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
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| | | 91 | Pete N.
ID: 178192421
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 20:37
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66: Thanks for posting my keeps.
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| | | 92 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 20:51
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Players are on waivers and unable to be picked up.
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| | | 93 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 23:42
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Regarding #83, that seems like a very grey area at best for the pickup. I remember dropping him the 2nd to last day thinking he'd be a potential trading chip in the offseason but shrugged it off because I needed as many games played as possible on the final day of the season. If I knew we could pickup guys after the final game was played, then I would've put a waiver claim on him. I'm sure others would've done the same as well.
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| | | 94 | Pacers Rule
ID: 34948716
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 00:16
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It was my understanding a couple years ago that rosters were frozen at the end of the season. I didn't understand this since trades happened before the draft and even keepers were declared the following fall, but still I thought that was the rule, even if just for clarity's sake coming into the new season. But what do I know- I'm not an original manager. A decision should be made before the draft proceeds, however, if the pickup is not allowed. It's not a big deal to me, but I can see beastiemiked's point.
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| | | 95 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 00:47
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92: Yeah, apparently I can't turn them off.
Until then, drafting managers go ahead and claim your players from waivers......and I will fix the waivers after the draft.
Re: bmd/Lou Williams -- I'm searching for the actual constitution so I can read the verbiage of the rule before making a decision.
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| | | 96 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 01:12
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I'll make it easy for you. Drop him. Fück it. I put the claim in pretty much the second he was dropped, but it did, in fact, process the night of the last games (after the games completed). Definitely effects how I looked at the offseason. Whatever.
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| | | 97 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 02:00
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My 6th keeper is Ben Gordon...which was acquired after the waiver wires were processed, after the last game of the season.
The deal is RSF 4.01 for Ben Gordon and Tosh 4.12.
Assuming this doesn't get challenged too, since it was a deal after keepers were declared...
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| | | 98 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 02:16
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I don't see the problem. The claim was made before the last games--seems fine to me. BMD dropped him in order to squeeze an extra GP out of his roster, but with waiver rules the claim wasn't immediately processed. A loophole? Maybe. The way to fix that is to prevent players from being dropped a day or so before the end of the season so that any claims are processed before the last games.
But that's not really the problem we're trying to fix. Claims made before the last games, even if processed afterwards, seem absolutely fine.
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| | | 99 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 02:21
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Timing is a little weird, but if it wasn't questioned by now, I think it must be allowed. We had a lot of months to see that transaction right on the home page.
If the transaction is dis-allowed, RSF & I have agreed to a trade where I am sending him one of my non-keepers. A similar trade was on the table for the same player with another manager earlier but it didn't work out.
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| | | 100 | Frick
ID: 157331422
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 06:42
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I don't have a problem with the pick-up, since the transaction was initiated prior to the end of the season. If waivers are processed at midnight, were all of the west coast games completed prior to that?
My first thought was that we should close the potential loophole, but it seems similar to MLB's after the trade dead line trades, that I don't have a problem with it.
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| | | 101 | Ref
ID: 13211515
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 06:51
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If I was commish, and I am not so take it with a grain of salt, here is how I would rule: all rosters are locked for the season on the last freeze of the season. Any waivers that are run after that time are reversed. Furthermore, trades of non keepers were locked at noon yesterday so the Gordon deal isn't an option either. I would allow him to select anyone else who was on his team prior to keeper deadline so long as they haven't already been drafted. The constitution was on the league page when I left. We have the same rule in football and baseball. We have an old copy of hoops on our league web page. I can link that when I get to a computer.
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| | | 102 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 07:30
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This hasn't been updated in awhile. I need to try and remember the password. Haven't been on it since my computer blew up awhile back. Had auto-remember password before. Wonder if we can go back and find old copies of our league in hoops. BH showed me how to find that in baseball previously.
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| | | 103 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 07:46
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I considered trading with dpr to go down and pick 4th. I didn't think that anyone would pick Lillard in the top 3. Finally, I decided that it wasn't worth the risk as I really like him and think he will make an immediate impact on my team. After I picked, dpr emailed me and said I'd have been very unhappy had I traded because that's who he was trying to trade up to get. WHEW!!! I had never even heard of him before I started researching a few days ago.
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| | | 104 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 10:24
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Hopefully I am ruling on this today.....ASAP. I want to discuss it with one of the parties.
Ref - I wanted Lillard too. I would have picked him there.
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| | | 105 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 10:37
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RE: 104 I don't think bmd really has the definitive say as he cut ties with Williams. This is a league issue. We have several precedents in our three leagues where this has happened and we have reversed it. The problem is that the commish did not realize what happened and no one pointed it out to him until now. I still submit that RSF needs to pick 6 guys from his roster from the freeze at the end of last ssn and 11:59 am ET yesterday. That would rule out a post Freeze pickup of Williams and a post deadline trade of Gordon (since he no longer belonged to Tosh either). This whole situation stinks.
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| | | 106 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 10:47
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105 - I didn't say who I was discussing it with in 104
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| | | 107 | dpr
ID: 9513258
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 10:47
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I think if we didnt leave RSF either Gordon or Williams that would be pretty unfair. If the precedent is that moves like the williams pickup arent allowed then that should have been handled at the time, not immediately following the keeper deadline after which he has no chance to add a keeper as he would have done had the issue been handled in a timely manner.
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| | | 108 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 10:55
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It's not a huge deal with me but annoying that I traded for him and dropped him assuming nobody would be able to pick him up before season end. Makes it even worse that the team I traded for him with was the team that picked him up.
I really wish RSF would've spoke up before I did and said something. A simple "hey I picked up Lou Williams on waivers after last freeze, can I keep him?" Partially my fault for not catching it but I just assumed he wouldn't have been eligible to be picked up by a team.
That said, I'm down with whatever the commishes decide as long as it doesn't screw RSF out of Lou or his would be trade if they decide that he shouldn't keep Lou..
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| | | 109 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 11:07
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106: well we know RSF's position so assumed bmd is the only party involved.
It comes down to this: Species has to rule in the best interest of the league. He realizes that the pooch was screwed by not realizing this in time. It is obvious what bmd was doing so no one could pick-up and keep Williams. Also allowing a trade after the keeper deadline is a non-starter.
So we have these options imm:
1. Do what I would have done based on the rules and precedents where we have reversed this. But allow him to go back and keep someone on his team pre-keepers.
2. Species says, may I screwed up by not noticing this in time. In the future all moves will be reversed forthwith and because this wasn't brought up until now, I am going to allow him to keep him--even though by rule he shouldn't have been able to.
3. Simply remove Williams and keep him at 5 Keepers.
By a strict adhering to the rules, you go with 3, but I think that is totally unfair to RSF and the league gains no disadvantage at all by allowing him to go back and keep a player who was on his team. However, I think RSF can make a case for #2 because of the timliness even though it breaks precedent and our rules.
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| | | 110 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 11:20
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I agree with dpr in post 107. And with the #2 option in post 109. The Commish's should have caught this at the conclusion of last season. Waiting until after the keeper deadline and the start of the draft is too late to retro-actively make changes.
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| | | 111 | Species
ID: 124591311
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 11:21
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The two most important facts are:
1-Technically the pickup is against the rules
2-It is my job to catch that and nip it in the butt at the time
It's not bmd's fault this didn't come up until now and he is in the right to have brought it up. The strategy of releasing a possible keeper-quality player that couldn't be legally picked up is a good one. I should have caught it.
All of that said, I feel that the fairest ruling is to allow the retention of Williams and move on. RSF could have considered a myriad of trading options during the offseason and preseason and would be denied that if we followed the ltter of the rules.
Call me Bud Selig calling the All Star game a tie.....but I think this ruling creates the least shock waves to the league.
I also propose to clarify the rules (which I don't think necessarily need clarification)..........but basically it would say that ALL roster moves must be COMPLETED - including waiver claims - by the first roster freeze time on the last day of the regular season.
I'm sorry that I missed it.
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| | | 112 | dpr
ID: 9513258
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 11:22
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I think the question is who made the error by not correcting the Williams move. The commish by not enforcing it at the time or RSF for making the add. If the commish can retroactively change a move 6 months later (I am sure the precedent calls for much swifter action) then we can retroactively allow a trade 12 hrs later and after 1 pick has been made.
I am not blaming the commish(es) for not acting quicker, there was little reason to check the league page at that point and it easily understandable how it was missed.
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| | | 113 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 11:43
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...or just say that the only players eligible to be kept are those who were on a team's roster and eligible to start for the team on the final game day of the previous regular season. That should be simple enough to monitor.
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| | | 114 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 12:06
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113: I think it says that in G24 football.
111: Species and I have been talking via email and while no solution is perfect, the one he made stinks the least I think.
110: I don't nec. agree that it is too late, but feels a little slimy. Heck this whole situation feels that way though.
112: Absolutely disagree on extending the keeper deadline retroactively. For instance, there were SEVERAL managers I was in talks with about adding another keeper via trade but not all could get back to me in time for the keeper deadline. I'd imagine there were others in the same boat. Bottom line is that we have to make a decision on our keepers by that time and we lose our non-keepers. As I stated before, this is a complete non-starter.
Anyhow, now that RSF was allowed to keep Williams, I'm hoping that he goes ahead and drafts now since he's up. I am going to be gone a lot coming up and would like to get as close to my pick as I can before trying to come up with queues.
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| | | 115 | RSF
ID: 21991811
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 12:09
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I'm ok with dropping Williams if Gordon is my keeper. It took me 6 minutes from when I saw bmd's post (work and night classes delayed me) to make a deal for Gordon, which would have happened if Williams wasn't allowed to be picked up via the standard waiver wire process (not free agent pickup). Was it a gray-area...absolutely, but it was a transaction initiated before all games were complete.
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| | | 116 | Species
ID: 124591311
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 12:27
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RSF 115 -- I have ruled to allow the keeping of Williams. No sense continuing the debate. Close the book, learn my lesson (and take responsibility for th oversight) and clarify the rule (113 sounds good to me) for the future.
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| | | 117 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 13:00
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If you can't play them on the last day, you can't carry them over... I think thats good enough going forward. Let it stand this time since no clear cut rule.
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| | | 118 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 13:26
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2.20 should be RSF and I should have his 6th round.
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| | | 119 | Species
ID: 124591311
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 13:38
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118: corrected. Thanks (but scratching my effing head as to how I skipped that one!)
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| | | 120 | Pacers Rule
ID: 589131312
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 13:51
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FWIW, when we posted both keepers and non-keepers in the keeper thread, it made it more obvious that we were giving up our rights to the players we weren't keeping as of the keeper deadline, including our rights to deal them after the deadline. Seems we've had some would-be trades in the past that didn't quite get finalized by the trade deadline and they ended up not being allowed even though they were within minutes of being posted by the deadline.
I agree it would be helpful to have the official rules posted somewhere. It's easy for misunderstandings or various interpretations to occur or just plain forgetting.
Lest you say being commish is a thankless job Greg...Thanks!
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| | | 121 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 16:04
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117: That is and always has been the clear-cut rule. We simply just missed the waiver pick-up until now.
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| | | 122 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 18:31
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I'd give a 2nd + 3rd rounder to move up. Let me know. I'll be around all night.
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| | | 123 | Pistol Pete
ID: 309121316
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 18:57
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Well, now that the conundrum is over, are we posting our picks in a draft thread this year? Just wanted to make sure because I'm leaving for the Black Hills on Saturday morning and my friend Sean is going to take over my draft responsibilities for the week from that point.
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| | | 124 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 20:26
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Pete - nope. Draftime can document all of that for us. Be sure he has the password and stuff and you're all good.
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| | | 125 | Pacers Rule
ID: 34948716
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 22:00
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Thanks Tosh. That helps me feel a little better about taking him first round last year. I couldn't turn him into a trade....hopefully he will do a lot more for you.
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| | | 126 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 22:22
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I would have maybe taken someone else if both Kevin Love and Nene were healthier. Maybe he'll figure something out, and be my big man for the future.
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| | | 127 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Oct 18, 2012, 23:53
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Was sorta hoping he'd slide a bit more, but his blocks should be nice this year.
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| | | 128 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Oct 19, 2012, 00:43
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Players have now cleared waivers and are available to be picked up. Please pick up your players after you draft.
Thank you to whoever added all of the draftees so far.
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| | | 129 | Pacers Rule
ID: 34948716
Fri, Oct 19, 2012, 09:32
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Draftime is not letting me out of the player at the top of my queue, though I had turned autopick off. I don't neccesarily want young. Species you around to help out?
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| | | 130 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 19, 2012, 09:41
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I have admin privileges. Who do you want?
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| | | 131 | Pacers Rule
ID: 34948716
Fri, Oct 19, 2012, 09:43
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Elton Brand - Thanks! I hope I didn't take your guy.
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| | | 132 | Pacers Rule
ID: 34948716
Fri, Oct 19, 2012, 09:45
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Maybe I turned the pick specific queue off but left the general queue on or vice versa.
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| | | 133 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Oct 19, 2012, 10:01
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I think I included a trade from last year into this year's draft:
> 11-12 Traded Draft Picks
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> 12/12/11 pre-season
> To PermDude ~~ 2012.Round 2 (from Meatwads)
> To Meatwads ~~ 2012.Round 3 (from RecycledSpinalFluid)
> To RecycledSpinalFluid ~~ 2012.Round 1 (from Permdude)
Considering the date, and it's labeled "Pre-Season", I'm pretty sure this is from last year. Can you guys confirm?
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| | | 134 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Oct 19, 2012, 10:03
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Well, it is labeled "2012 Round x". Doing a little checking before I turn the draft back on.
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| | | 135 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Oct 19, 2012, 10:10
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That trade is accurate, and for this season.
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| | | 136 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Oct 19, 2012, 10:17
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Alrighty then.......draft is back on.....and the clock has started.
Have a good draft everyone.
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| | | 137 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Fri, Oct 19, 2012, 11:34
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Damn you RSF. Quit hoarding guards.
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| | | 138 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 39291911
Fri, Oct 19, 2012, 12:29
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I'll trade you Lou Williams...
sorry. Couldn't resist.
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| | | 139 | Frick
ID: 2193319
Fri, Oct 19, 2012, 16:50
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One player in my queue and of course it doesn't last. I'll pick shortly.
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| | | 140 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Sat, Oct 20, 2012, 02:56
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Are we able to change the league settings so that the GP is a total number, and is not a limitation for each position? We'd talked about this last year as well--I think the per-position limits were a mistake.
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| | | 141 | Great One
ID: 512531316
Sat, Oct 20, 2012, 15:20
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on Draftime Elton Brand is still in my que despite being taken already... he was taken already, right? maybe he was manually entered as a pick (where you type the name in?) even though he was already in the system?
Anyone else see him as "available"?
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| | | 142 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Sat, Oct 20, 2012, 15:27
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Not available when I just checked.
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| | | 143 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Oct 20, 2012, 16:10
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Brand was a changed pick [131]. Draftime must not have changed picks properly integrated with open queues.
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| | | 144 | Pacers Rule
ID: 589131312
Sat, Oct 20, 2012, 21:22
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Good thing you caught that before it hung on your pick, or worse gave him to you and moved on. Bummer dpr missed his pick. He is away from the internet on a short trip. His queue must have been exhausted.
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| | | 145 | dpr
ID: 9513258
Sun, Oct 21, 2012, 10:11
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Sorry about the missed pick. I went away for 36 hours and didnt count on the draft picking up as it did after a slow first round. I should have given a queue more attention
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| | | 146 | Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Sun, Oct 21, 2012, 14:11
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Man, I stink at this queue thing. Again, I thought I had turned autopick off, but surprise surprise, I had left the autopick on for my general queue. This time, I probably would have taken Lee anyway so no biggie. I guess I just need to stick with one queue or the other and not try to manage both.
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| | | 147 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Sun, Oct 21, 2012, 18:11
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Ugh, had my queue set but must've not flipped it to on. My bad.
Luckily still got my guy :)
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| | | 148 | Pacers Rule
ID: 34948716
Sun, Oct 21, 2012, 18:17
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bmd, we seem to be having the opposite problem.
PeterN - I thought about Kidd a few picks in front of you and in fact was weighing him versus Courtney Lee when the computer auto-picked Lee for me. My primary hesitation was worries about playing time with NY's crowded backcourt. Nice Pick (hopefully).
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| | | 149 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Sun, Oct 21, 2012, 18:27
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Thank you, it was nice draft with you all.
Had to wrap it up with a homer pick of Meyers Lynyrd, despite probably 50 better picks available.
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| | | 150 | Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Mon, Oct 22, 2012, 06:41
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re [140] would it also be up for discussion the GP limit? 90 per slot seems quite high and requires a lot of lineup manipulation. In fact, as active as I am, I'm not sure I've ever been able to reach the GP limits in the years I've been with the league. And inevitably, I always end up with a few stud games lost to sitting the bench b/c I had to move them out of the active lineup on days they weren't playing to try to increase GP and forgot to move them back into the active roster before their next game.
With 8 extra games to insert in each position, that's almost a full extra starter's worth of games to come up with. That doesn't account for lost games due to injury or what have you, and we usually have maybe 10 per position a year for that (?), which makes almost another full starter's worth across all positions.
I know the league is already set up on ESPN, and it may be too late to change it for this year, esp. with one manager already done with the draft, but I'd almost prefer an extra utility slot, one less bench slot, and only needing to play 82 games per position to minimize the need for roster substitution - except when you do have an injury or to play the hot hand.
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| | | 151 | Pete N.
ID: 178192421
Mon, Oct 22, 2012, 09:31
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Thanks PR. Low risk with it being my last pick in the draft. Kidd keeps defying the odds. I think he'll get enough playing time to make it a solid pick.
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| | | 152 | KnicksFan
ID: 5793698
Mon, Oct 22, 2012, 12:11
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Had to go homer and pick Copeland. With Stoudemire out, I may actually get to use him!
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| | | 153 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 22, 2012, 12:54
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Dues notice was just sent out directly from ESPN. If you do not receive it, please email me and I'll send it directly to you.
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| | | 154 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Mon, Oct 22, 2012, 13:31
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Have we ever had this many guys time out in the first 4 rounds like this? I must not be the only one not quite into hoops mode!
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| | | 156 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Mon, Oct 22, 2012, 16:28
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Cornering the market on backup PG's. Need to Tonya Harding some of the starters in front of them.
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| | | 157 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Mon, Oct 22, 2012, 16:31
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Nice p/u with Brooks, bmd. I was going between him and Ariza but had to go with the starter.
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| | | 158 | Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Mon, Oct 22, 2012, 17:40
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Man Brooks looked good in limited minutes versus the Lakers last night. I was considering him with my last pick also, but then I also remembered it was Steve Nash defending him...and not only that, but Steve Nash with a bad wheel! Still he was in my queue for the fifth round, so he may well have not been there had you not snatched him up.
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| | | 159 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Oct 22, 2012, 18:23
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I considered him at 4.01, but I would have had to wait a long time for him to get Center eligibility.
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| | | 160 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 21:39
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I love all these mid to late 5th round picks.
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| | | 161 | Frick
ID: 157331422
Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 22:21
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You mean the "holy crap, I thought that guy was retired" picks? Or the, "that guy actually made a roster" picks?
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| | | 162 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 22:23
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Ha! Yeah, I'm having to look up about half these guys at this point in the draft.
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| | | 163 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 22:40
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LOL...no, I've been in the 'lets find sucky players for my roster' mode for so long, I actually like all these guys.
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| | | 164 | Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 23:05
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Frick I notice you only have one Pacer on your roster. Ref and I both got our homer picks in. My homer led the Pacers in plus/minus tonight. Also, Mahinmi seems better than I thought he would be. He reminds me of Antonio Davis in terms of his physique but seems a little more athletic.
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| | | 165 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 1895240
Wed, Oct 24, 2012, 01:05
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I was going to comment on that Green pick. Its a great pick AND a homer pick. Can't beat that combo!
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| | | 166 | skinneej
ID: 14911313
Wed, Oct 24, 2012, 13:09
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Its funny that at this stage of the draft, you can still have your top three queued players picked off. Aminu, Amir and Camby all in order ha! Settled for Cole so maybe he can get some nice action if Chalmers is slow to recover.
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| | | 167 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Wed, Oct 24, 2012, 13:44
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Yeah, I had Aminu in the queue for quite some time. Last round lottery picks.
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| | | 168 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Oct 24, 2012, 13:48
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Camby's on the trade block!
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| | | 169 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Wed, Oct 24, 2012, 13:48
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Thanks to whoever was adding my players before. I completely zoned on doing that until the last pick.
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| | | 170 | Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 24, 2012, 16:18
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Thanks, RSF. I always feel all my homer picks are great picks though. Isn't that a general rule about homer picks?
Any time you can get a player you feel will contribute at pick 216 you have to feel good about that, and I do think he will contribute this year.
If we are staying at 90 games per position, however, I might have to dump Harrington for a player that can contribute at least a rebound a game while he's out.
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| | | 171 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 12:56
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Does everyone have their players? What is the protocol on picking up FAs?
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| | | 172 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 13:06
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Two years ago, at the conclusion of the draft ... I (using Commish powers) reset the draft to keeper status, and manually re-entered all the players. That gave us correct rosters, players all on waivers, and a correct waiver order. I seem to remember it being a fairly painless process.
Last year was just a free-for-all because it was so close to XMas.
I think it is up to Species how he wants this to operate. Time to speak up man!! But no one should pick up any players until this is decided.
There has also been discussion about the GP limit. We should get that figured out. 90 games per position, or 720 games total??
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| | | 173 | Ref
ID: 34731299
Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 13:34
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It was always per position but I think ESPN wouldn't allow it when we first started. Personally, I don't really care.
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| | | 174 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 13:46
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You are correct Ref. It was always by position. ESPN did not have that option in our first year at that site, so we went to 720.
ESPN re-added thae 'by position' option last season, so we went back to the original rules.
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| | | 175 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 13:53
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At first I didn't like the non-position specific total of 720. BUT I came around on it -- especially in such a deep league it gave me more options with players and free agents as I wasn't tied to filling in extra games with some crappy backup C or something like that.
I think a good compromise of too many games (90 per is a lot and difficult to get to) and specific spots might be to pull the 720 down to an even 700 which chops a few games off per spot and is easy to remember.
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| | | 176 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 13:58
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Pretty sure last year we decided on totaling the games played and not separating per position.
I'm always in favor of lowering games played. You get completely screwed in this league if you have 1-2 guys go down for extended time. Plus, it's almost impossible to hold a young guy that isn't getting significant minutes unless you are already out of it.
I think we should vote for next year on it since changing it this year might hurt some teams strategies.
Should games played be lowered? If yes, I think we should give 2 options. Down to 86 or down to 82 per position.
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| | | 177 | KnicksFan
ID: 5793698
Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 14:57
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I remember last season being separated by position.
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| | | 178 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 15:26
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That's right. Each position had a limit.
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| | | 179 | Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 16:35
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We must all be getting old.
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| | | 180 | Species
ID: 124591311
Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 17:09
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Tosh 172 - technically we should send the entire FA pool on waivers. I am in no position to do that - in the way you described - in the next 2 days. If I need to empower a volunteer that can assist, I would be happy to do so.
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| | | 181 | Species
ID: 124591311
Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 17:24
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I have (at least) been able to fix the draft order....which is inverse of the draft order (without lottery).
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| | | 182 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 17:26
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OK. I will go ahead and re-enter all the drafted players this evening.
I will announce in this thread when I am complete, and managers can place waiver claims.
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| | | 183 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 20:00
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I'm trying to figure which PG I want to pick up, Allen Iverson or Gilbert Arenas. Shoot the only other consideration might be Stephon Marbury...
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| | | 184 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 23:44
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Draft results have been entered. An extra thanks to managers that drafted players in the same part of the alphabet.
Players are all now on waivers. Species had entered the waiver order backwards (where the defending champ had the #1 pick), so I reversed them back.
Let's get this season rolling! Good luck to everyone.
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| | | 185 | Species
ID: 124591311
Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 23:50
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184: You mean we penalize the winners TWICE? Both with the last picks in the draft AND last waivers? Ouch!
Thanks tho, bro :)
PS - Go Giants!!
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| | | 186 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Oct 26, 2012, 00:01
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It sucks to be the winner. But really, it would have been 20 picks since the last place team has had a pick. It only makes sense that they get the #1 claim.
I didn't realize that Mr. Insignificant was Vince Carter. How the mighty have fallen.
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| | | 187 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Oct 26, 2012, 01:56
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Re: 183 - I currently have two players on my roster with a lower ownership % than Shaquille O'Neal
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| | | 188 | Pacers Rule
Leader
ID: 910311210
Fri, Oct 26, 2012, 13:03
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That's unbelievably funny
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| | | 189 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 30, 2012, 13:06
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I'm currently without power, and some of my files (including those for G20 dues) are not currently available. But I know that there are still some people who have not yet anted up for this season.
I've copied the email below, since I know that some of you have trouble receiving email directly from ESPN.From the G20 Hoops Treasurer:
Prize pool dues for 2012-13 will again be $15. Your payment is due by the end of October. If you do not pay by then, I reserve the right to hound you privately and ridicule you publicly!
Two members have permanently opted out of the prize pool: Perm Dude and Pistol Pete. There is no trophy pool assessment this year, as the trophy fund is already adequate for this year.
The other 18 returning managers are in the pool, and expected to contribute each year.
The following 8 members already have sufficient funds on account – either from last year, or from G20 baseball - to pay the full amount, and therefore owe nothing this year:
Beastiemiked
Meatwads
Guru
Pacers Rule
Skinneej
Ref
Tosh
Species
The following two managers have $10 on account, and so only owe $5 for this season:
Coldwater Coyotes
KnicksFan
Everyone else owes the full $15.
You may send your payment in one of two ways:
1. Mail a check for $15 to this address:
[send me an email at davehall@rotoguru2.com for the address]
The check should be payable to Dave Hall.
2. Paypal
Send to davehall@rotoguru2.com. Designate your payment as Personal-Payment owed. If you include a note, just say G20 payment.
I have received checks from Vampire Weekend and Coldwater.
I have received paypal payments from GO and youngroman.
I think that leaves six people still to pay.
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| | | 190 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Oct 30, 2012, 20:59
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Oh shoot. I'll get something out to you shortly.
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| | | 191 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 1895240
Fri, Nov 02, 2012, 22:09
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James 'Freakin' Harding. Enough said.
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| | | 192 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Fri, Nov 02, 2012, 22:15
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Low "freakin" Williams. Oh, you didn't start him ;)
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| | | 193 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 18109222
Fri, Nov 02, 2012, 23:09
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He's on a ten game suspension.
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| | | 194 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Fri, Nov 02, 2012, 23:12
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Haha, nice. I heard James Harden wants a trade since his coach doesn't even know his name.
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| | | 195 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 18109222
Fri, Nov 02, 2012, 23:19
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LOL...doh! Mixed him up with Tonya Harding...
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| | | 196 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 18109222
Fri, Nov 02, 2012, 23:24
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Suppose it could have been "Warren G." also.
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| | | 197 | Great One
ID: 512531316
Sat, Nov 03, 2012, 00:18
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Watching the Clippers foul Howard to force him to shoot FT's one end... and then Blake Griffin shooting them at the other end makes for a pretty ugly game.
Its like DoublehackaShaq.
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| | | 198 | KnicksFan
ID: 281011314
Sat, Nov 03, 2012, 15:11
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Hey Guru,
I just paypalled $5 for this year, and $15 for next year.
Thanks!
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| | | 199 | RecycledSpinalFluid
ID: 1895240
Sat, Nov 10, 2012, 00:21
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I love Thaddeus Young so much, I think I'm going to marry him.
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| | | 200 | Meatwads
ID: 394921
Tue, Nov 13, 2012, 00:34
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Should someone make a new thread for the regular season? If nobody has any objections, I will volunteer.
On a side note, it looks like beastie miked is on pace to go back-to-back. If anyone has a guard that has more than 1.5 3PM per game and shoots above 80% from the line (with enough attempts per game to have an impact), I'd be interested in discussing a trade. I have a bunch of forwards and centers.
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| | | 201 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Tue, Nov 13, 2012, 00:47
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Mo Williams coming back from injury, paying 50 (!) minutes tonight.
I don't think he'll take much more of that before he's back on the bench nursing some assorting injury again.
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| | | 202 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Nov 13, 2012, 11:31
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Omnis dominus....make it so Meatwads!
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