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Subject: Gurupie 20: 2021-22 Preseason Discussion


  Posted by: Bean - [304422310] Fri, Sep 24, 2021, 23:42

Constitution

I Site / Stat Source / League Fees

All game, roster and scoring rules will be governed by Yahoo. There is no fee for using Yahoo.

II Draft
The Supplemental Draft consists of a slow draft and held on the Draftime.com website. Time limits will be three hours for individual picks and 8 hours cumulative clock. You may draft until your picks run out or you have reached twelve (12) players. The clock will be stopped from midnight to 8 AM ET but picks may be made during that time. If you time out, you will be skipped and may select at any time. If you have been skipped and have not made up that pick and it becomes your turn again, you will be skipped for that pick as well. If you leave a Q and that person is available to post your pick, you will not be charged any time on your cumulative clock.

The draft order will be reverse of last year's regular season finish and it will NOT snake. Only players currently in the NBA database are eligible to be drafted. Waivers Priority will begin in the same order as the basic draft order (lottery excluded). Please note: The bottom 14 teams will be in the lottery similar to the actual NBA draft. Top three picks for next year will be selected via lottery. 4th-14th picks will be selected based on inverse order of standings.

III League Settings:
Draft Type: Offline Draft and E-mail draft
Max Teams: 20
Scoring Type: Rotisserie
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Review: League Votes (7 needed to veto)
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules
Max Games Played: 720 (enforced by position)
Roster Positions: G, G, F, F, C, Util, Util, Util, BN, BN, BN, BN, IL
Stat Categories: FG%, FT%, 3PTM, PTS, OREB, REB, AST, ST, BLK

IV Minimum Games Played / Penalties
A team must accumulate a minimum of 656 GP (82 GP/pos) over the course of a season. For each 8 games of shortfall (1 GP/pos), a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-8 games of shortfall will receive one demerit, 9-16 will receive 2 demerits, etc.

If a team finishes in the money for prize pool purposes (ranked 1-6), then demerits will be ignored.

For lottery teams, the following penalties will be applied to every pick in the next year's supplement draft:

If a team accumulates more than 10 demerits, then it will be removed from the lottery and assigned the 14th pick in all rounds (i.e., behind all lottery teams, but ahead of any prize pool teams.)

For teams with less than 10 demerits, that team is pushed forward one place in the supplemental draft rankings for each demerit. For example, if a team finishes in last place (20th) and has 5 demerits, then that team will be treated in the draft rankings as though it finished in 15th place (and the teams actually finishing in places 16-20 will each move down one place.)

If more than one lottery team has a demerit, then the lottery rankings will be successively applied starting with the worst finisher and then moving up to the next worst finisher, etc.

Note: While the maximum number of games is measured on a GP/pos (enforced by the ESPN site), the minimum number of games is NOT. For minimum games, all measurements are based on total games played without regard for position.

V Trades
All trades during the season must be submitted via the website's offer trade feature to the league for review. If there is a draft pick it needs to be posted in our thread at rotoguru.com and needs to be confirmed by both parties. You might want to rationalize your trade as it takes just 7 members to reject the trade. You have one day to reject it so please check the site at LEAST once per day (many will have the email feature that emails all accepted trades). Remember with a Keeper league there may be draft picks involved so take the time to check those before rejecting it. Please only reject a trade based on the trade and not the teams involved. A trade by its very nature should help both teams either now, the future or both. All off-season/preseason trades will be governed by a commish.

VI Keepers
Returning owners will have a deadline to declare what players from their team they wish to keep. Each owner may keep up to 6.

You may keep less than six. You may trade keepers after you have declared, but you may not go over six until all 20 teams have officially declared at the Keeper deadline. At that point you may go up to 12 players.

If you keep less than six, the only way you can add a sixth keeper is via trade. You may not drop a player until after the draft is complete.

If you do not name your Keepers by the deadline, the commish(s) will choose those for you and they will be final. If you post your Keepers after the deadline but before the commish posts, your Keepers will be honored. Typically, the commish(s) will start figuring out uncommitted Keepers as soon as the deadline has passed.

All un-kept players will go into the draft. A player MUST be in the NBA database in order to be kept.

The only off-season transactions that will be allowed are trades. No free agents may be picked up after the end of the season. Trades of a player for a draft pick are allowed.

VII Prizes

A fine plaque will be engraved and shipped to the winner courtesy of the previous year's winner. The trophy will be yours to proudly display with your other cherished mementos for 1 year. It will be the winner's responsibility to engrave it and ship it to the winner. There will be an added nominal fee to help cover expenses related to the engraving and shipping of the plaque.

A separate cash prize pool has also been established. It is strictly voluntary. Only those who participate will be eligible for this prize. $15 USD entry must be paid by the season opener. The exact method of prize distribution will vary from year to year depending on participation. We focus payouts so it will NOT be winner take all. Six owners will have a chance to win something. Prize pool funds are due by Opening Night.

Subject to change, 2021-2022 Payout has six managers paid:
1st $90
2nd $50
3rd $40
4th $25
5th $20
6th $15
Total Payouts is 16 X $15 = $ 240 ($0 to trophy fund and for Draftime costs this year)

Ineligible for prize pool:
PD, BB the Ball, artofmonk (1st year), PhillyButsters (1st year)

If any of the non-participants qualify, the prizes will be reallocated by the commissioners. Managers will move up payout position(s) and any remaining funds will go into the trophy fund.

VIII Owners

As commissioners, we reserve the right NOT to extend an invitation to or remove any owner for any reason. Primary reason for being excluded would be abusive behavior (beyond friendly trash talk, harassment), purposeful rules violations (i.e. colluding on a trade), inactivity (i.e. leaving injured players in as starters repeatedly), unresponsive to other owners or commish(s), missing deadlines (i.e. keepers, draft picks, etc.). If an owner is NOT invited back next year. A new owner will be recruited to take over the vacated team in its exact state.

2021 Draft Pick Trades:
<37> Perm Dude sends 4th; RSF sends 2nd

League Champions:
2003 Peter N
2004 A Perfect 10
2005 Twarpy
2006 RecycledSpinalFluid
2007 beastiemiked
2008 beastiemiked
2009 Ref
2010 Pete N.
2011 Pacers Rule
2012 beastiemiked
2013 Great One
2014 WG
2015 Species
2016 Pete N.
2017 RecycledSpinalFluid
2018 RecycledSpinalFluid
2019 RecycledSpinalFluid
2020 RecycledSpinalFluid
2021 WG
 
1Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Sep 24, 2021, 23:44
Last Year's Standings
1 Wazaaap Guy
2 ttucowboy
3 Bean's Buckeyes
4 GO Sixers
5 RSF - Mr Big Bucks
6 KnicksFan
7 WWCBD
8 youngroman's Luschen
9 Weekend Over
10 Mighty Meatwads
11 Spida
12 Skinnee J's
13 PT's Pleasant Team
14 Munson Mobsters
15 Philly Busters
16 Kevin Love Fan Club
17 Roto Guru20
18 Fred's Team
19 SANFORDORS
20 BB the Ball
 
3Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Sep 24, 2021, 23:47
Proposed Schedule
FRI 1 OCT - Team Owners Locked
FRI 8 OCT, 11:59 PM EDT - Keeper Deadline
SUN 10 OCT - Draft Turned ON
MON 11 OCT, 11:59 PM EDT - Draft Clock ON
TUE 19 OCT - Season Starts
 
4Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Sep 24, 2021, 23:51
I renewed the Yahoo League for this year, will try to set up Draft Time soon too. I need last year's owners to let me know if they are returning. Please do not assume that if you are in Yahoo I know your plan....SOUND OFF HERE.

We have three sophomore owners that need to let us know if they plan to play for cash as well.
 
5Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Sep 24, 2021, 23:52
I am IN.
 
6KnicksFan
      ID: 14812250
      Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 01:12
In!
 
7youngroman
      ID: 515013
      Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 04:08
In!
 
8Philly Busters
      ID: 311122313
      Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 07:54
In and ready to donate to the prize pool.
 
9Fosten
      ID: 38740109
      Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 08:01
In
 
10Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 09:27
in
 
11Perm Dude
      ID: 3310302519
      Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 11:29
In
 
12twolves
      ID: 538362510
      Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 11:36
I am in
 
13Skinneej
      ID: 11931511
      Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 11:38
IN
 
14twolves
      ID: 538362510
      Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 11:41
Where do we send the money?
 
15Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 11:56
Guru handles that, I am sure he will let you know.
 
16BB the Ball
      ID: 1852313
      Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 11:58
I am in. Watch out 19th place!!
 
17WG
      ID: 89402220
      Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 12:43
In
 
18WWCBD - Duff
      ID: 598282512
      Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 13:29
In!
 
19Tosh
      Dude
      ID: 057721710
      Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 17:31
In
 
20Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Sat, Sep 25, 2021, 19:07
In
 
21R-Money
      ID: 31128257
      Sun, Sep 26, 2021, 00:42
In if youll have me. Weekend over.
 
22ttucowboy
      ID: 56827261
      Sun, Sep 26, 2021, 02:27
IN
 
23GO
      ID: 33543812
      Sun, Sep 26, 2021, 13:00
I'll be back.
Ben Simmons for sale! GO's Sixers are done with you!
 
24Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Sep 26, 2021, 16:47
Heard from everyone except:

5 RSF - Mr Big Bucks
10 Mighty Meatwads
11 Spida (artofMonk)
13 PT's Pleasant Team (twolves)

If you know these guys, ping them.
 
25BB the Ball
      ID: 1852313
      Sun, Sep 26, 2021, 20:49
I am in. Watch out 19th place!!
 
26RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 31526820
      Mon, Sep 27, 2021, 01:06
I'm game. Its "Revenge Tour" season. Harden is going to kill it at home, when that dumbass flat-earther on his team misses all games played in NYC.
 
27Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 11:10
I renewed the draft at Draft Time. Make sure you find this league in your current drafts.
 
28Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 15:51
Did we ever run the draft lottery for this upcoming draft? If not, then we should do that ASAP, right?
 
29Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 16:52
Sure, go ahead and do that if you would Guru. I sent e-mails to our three no shows this morning.

With the early start of the NBA season this year, seems all of us got caught off guard.
 
30Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 20:33
Lottery results:

Pick #1: Skinnee J's
Pick #2: BB the Ball
Pick #3: Fred's Team

Lottery details are in the following spreadsheet:
http://rotoguru1.com/hoop/G20/G20-Oct21-14x4_balls.xls
 
31artofmonk
      ID: 4882910
      Wed, Sep 29, 2021, 11:08
Spida is in
 
32Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Wed, Sep 29, 2021, 11:57
Missed that Twolves had said he was in already. Just need to hear from Meatwads and we are done. Tried an old link in an old thread, maybe that will get his attention.
 
33RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 31526820
      Wed, Sep 29, 2021, 13:57
Holy crap. I was just reviewing past drafts. vampireweekend's 2017-2018 might be the best of all time:

1.04 Tatum, Jayson
2.02 Mitchell, Donovan
5.02 Adebayo, Bam

Good lord!
 
34GO
      ID: 33543812
      Wed, Sep 29, 2021, 14:29
Going to be moving 1 of these cause I got 7... so whether that be picks or in a 2 for 1. Let me know if you love someone and want to cash your 1 in for 2 studs.

Embiid
Wood
Collins
CJ McCollum
Ben Simmons
Robert Williams
Siakam
 
35 ttucowboy
      ID: 56827261
      Wed, Sep 29, 2021, 16:34
Steph Curry
Kyrie Irving
PJ Washington
Andre Drummond
Richaun Holmes
Derrick White
Mike Conley
Kemba Walker

I can keep 6 so I’m open to dealing. Picks, 2 for 1’s, 3 for 1’s. Nobody is off the table and open to any offers. If interested, let me know.

Thanks!
 
36ttucowboy
      ID: 56827261
      Wed, Sep 29, 2021, 16:57
Confirmed via text Meatwads is IN
 
37 ttucowboy
      ID: 56827261
      Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 09:55
Hey everyone! WG and I are in 30-team contract dynasty head-to-head points league that has two openings. It’s a very fun, active and intense league. The Commish is great too which is important for any keeper / dynasty league. If anyone is interested, let me know and I can get you in contact with the Commish.
 
38Tree
      ID: 161118314
      Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 10:17
chiming in real quick as a non player in G20 - I legit haven't played fantasy basketball in a half dozen years or more.

But the overwhelmingly positive experience I am having with the commissioner of this league in the Dynasty Football league he runs compelled me to grab a team in the hoops league Pete is talking about.

Couldn't recommend this league enough.
 
39Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Oct 01, 2021, 12:34
Though I would still like Meatwads to chime in himself. It appears, everyone is returning this year.

I have started a Keeper thread. Post your keepers there. Do not post anything extraneous there like trade offers or questions. I don't want to weed through the clutter.

I recommend you post something early and update it later if you need to. That way your procrastination, absent-mindedness and/or technical difficulties does not result in zero keepers for you.

As a reminder, here is the schedule:

FRI 8 OCT, 11:59 PM EDT - Keeper Deadline
SUN 10 OCT - Draft Turned ON
MON 11 OCT, 11:59 PM EDT - Draft Clock ON
TUE 19 OCT - Season Starts
 
40Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Oct 01, 2021, 18:31
Here's a link to the G20 - Draft Matrix 2021.

I only found one pick trade from last year's thread:
<37> Perm Dude sends 4th; RSF sends 2nd

I'll update it just before the draft to reflect any more trades. Let me know if you see an issue with this.
 
41Bb the ball
      ID: 37947118
      Fri, Oct 01, 2021, 19:51
TTU did we have picks in the Conley trade? I can’t find it posted.

BB the Ball
 
42 Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 14:48
If anyone has interest in Horford or TJ McConnell, they didn't make my keeper cut, and would give them for a pick upgrade. Both will likely go in the first round.

Will also consider my two for your one type trades to upgrade my keepers (which you can see in the keeper thread).

Don't think any of my others are keeper worthy, but you can be the judge....check the roster at Yahoo.
 
43RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 31526820
      Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 15:13
I'm rocking with Juan T.
 
44Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Oct 02, 2021, 15:40
Yours for a pick upgrade RSF.

If you don't want to play skins, you'll have to buy your own Juan T.

Wait, is shirts vs skins still a thing?
 
45Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Oct 03, 2021, 14:30
From the Treasurer:

Prize pool dues for the coming season are $15. There is no assessment for a trophy fund again this year, as that continues to be amply funded.

As background for the new managers, we have an optional prize pool. All participating managers contribute $15 at the start of the season, and the pool is distributed at the end to the top six finishers. The actual award amounts are subject to the total amount in the pool, but generally range from about $90-$100 to the winner down to $15 for the #6 team.

New managers do not need to opt into the pool in their first year. But by the second year, they must decide to be in or out. Once you opt in, you must remain in the pool each year to continue in the pool. If you should ever opt out after the first year, then you can never opt back in.

Two managers have opted out: Perm Dude and BB the Ball.

Last year’s new managers must opt in or out this year. Philly Busters has already announced he is in. Still awaiting a decision from Artofmonk.

Five managers have suficient funds on account to cover the dues for 2021:
Bean, RSF, GO, KnicksFan, and Skinneej. Also, as of this moment, it looks like Tosh will win $15 in G20 baseball, which can be applied to Hoops dues.

Two managers have some funds on deposit, but less than the full $15:
Dave R owes $10, and Meatwads owes $10.

Everyone else owes $15, according to my records. If you think I have missed any funds on account for you, please let me know.

Payments can be sent in either of the following ways:
1. Paypal: please send to davehall@rotoguru2.com. (Recipient will probably appear as Uncommon Cents LLC.) Designate this as “send money to friends and family”, and mark the payment only as "G20 hoops". Do not say "prize" or "pool". Those words are red flags for Paypal.
2. Snail mail: check can be sent to the address listed at the bottom of this page:
http://rotoguru2.com/gurupatron-info.html

 
46Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 12:25
5 days to go
5/20 teams have declared keepers
 
47WWCBD - Duff
      ID: 598282512
      Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 13:05
Players I'm likely not keeping and willing to trade for a pick upgrade (though everyone on my roster is tradeable):

Patrick Williams
Tyrese Maxey
Immanuel Quickley
Malachi Flynn
Ja'Sean Tate
 
48ttucowboy
      ID: 51933412
      Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 13:36
I believe I had two trades involving picks last year:

Kemba Walker trade included me sending my 2021 1 for SANFORDOR’s 2021 6.

Mike Conley trade included me sending my 2021 2 for BB’s 2021 6.

WG also had 2 I believe:

Enes Kanter trade included WG sending his 2021 2 for Tosh’s 2021 6.

Thad Young traded included WG sending his 2021 3 for Tosh’s 2021 5.
 
49Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 13:42
Thanks Pete,

I forgot this league does trading of picks on the Yahoo League site. It's my only league in any sport that does so.

Will add those as well, and update the draft matrix some time today.
 
50Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 13:56
Hopefully I have them all now:

RSF 2nd for Perm Dude 4th <37>
BB 6th for ttucowboy 2nd
Dave R 6th for ttucowboy 1st
WG 2nd for Tosh 6th
GO 2nd for Perm Dude 5th
WG 3rd for Tosh 5th
 
51 ttucowboy
      ID: 51933412
      Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 14:18
Speaking of Kemba Walker and Mike Conley, if anyone is short on keeps and has interest I’d trade either with my 2021 6 for a 2021 3. If interested at all, let me know.
 
52Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 14:26
G20 Draft Matrix 2021 (updated)
 
53 WG
      ID: 89402220
      Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 17:20
Trades look good on my end, thanks.

Have 6 players for 4 slots; open to a 2-for-1:
Mikal Bridges
Gordon Hayward
Kevin Porter, Jr.
Jordan Clarkson
Mason Plumlee
Brook Lopez (bigs still have extra value since we have two rebounds categories)
 
54 Meatwads
      ID: 1694753
      Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 05:16
<39> I am in.

These players are available for a pick upgrade...
Miles Bridges, F, CHA
Seth Curry, G, PHI
Danny Green, G/F, PHI
Blake Griffin, F/C, BKN
Derrick Rose, G, NYK
Lou Williams, G, ATL
 
55Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 11:27
4 days to go
10/20 teams have declared keepers
 
56Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 13:14
I just got a notice that the keeper deadline is now 3:00am EDT on 10/5, which was about 10 hours ago. Mistake?
 
57Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 13:23
It was just so I could start loading keepers into Yahoo. No need for alarm. The schedule is still:

FRI 8 OCT, 11:59 PM EDT - Keeper Deadline
SUN 10 OCT - Draft Turned ON
MON 11 OCT, 11:59 PM EDT - Draft Clock ON
TUE 19 OCT - Season Starts

You will no longer be able to edit your keepers IN YAHOO. But it was never necessary anyway.
 
58Perm Dude
      ID: 3310302519
      Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 15:44
Whew!
 
59Perm Dude
      ID: 3310302519
      Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 15:54
Thanks for the T. Young offers--looking them over and will get back to you guys tomorrow.
 
60 skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 17:16
Anyone needing a 6th keeper, I have the following available for pick upgrades:

Eric Bledsoe
Victor Oladipo
Ricky Rubio

 
61RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 31526820
      Tue, Oct 05, 2021, 18:00
Damn! Tre Young is on the table? I'm in on that action.
 
62Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 09:47
Everything you need to know:

FRI 8 OCT, 11:59 PM EDT - Keeper Deadline
SUN 10 OCT - Draft Turned ON
MON 11 OCT, 11:59 PM EDT - Draft Clock ON
TUE 19 OCT - Season Starts

3 days to go
14/20 teams have declared keepers. Still need keepers from:

WG
GO
R Money
artofmonk
Fosten
Perm Dude

Draft Matrix
 
63Perm Dude
      ID: 3310302519
      Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 20:04
Trade announcement:

PD (Fred's Team) and Great One (GO's Sixers):

GO gets Trae Young

PD gets CJ McCollum, Robert Williams, and Pascal Siakam
 
64GO
      ID: 531581023
      Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 20:17
Confirmed
 
65GO
      ID: 531581023
      Wed, Oct 06, 2021, 20:22
As I am now SHORT on keepers in one shot... lol... feel free to email any players you would do for my 3rd rounder.

Similarly will move Ben Simmons for 2 keeper players. Simmons in a rebounding league pretty valuable at the G position but my personal bias about what he's doing to the Sixers is going to play into it. I suspect he is heading to some rebuilding west coast team where he will rack up his triple doubles in obscurity.

Don't particularly want 2 Hawks either so could crack open the door on John Collins.
 
66Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 10:14
2 days to go
15/20 teams have declared keepers. Still need keepers from:

WG
GO
R Money
artofmonk
Fosten
 
67GO
      ID: 33543812
      Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 11:01
TRADE
WWCBD - Duff gets GO 3rd
GO gets Maxey and WWCB 5th
 
68GO
      ID: 33543812
      Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 11:02
Updated - Summarized List
RSF 2nd for Perm Dude 4th <37>
BB 6th for ttucowboy 2nd
Dave R 6th for ttucowboy 1st
WG 2nd for Tosh 6th
GO 2nd for Perm Dude 5th
WG 3rd for Tosh 5th
GO 3rd for WWCBD 5th
 
69WWCBD - Duff
      ID: 598282512
      Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 11:09
"TRADE
WWCBD - Duff gets GO 3rd
GO gets Maxey and WWCB 5th"

Confirmed
 
70artofmonk
      ID: 50928711
      Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 12:30
I am out of the prize pool.

Players available for trade
Markhanen
Barrett

 
71Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Oct 08, 2021, 10:00

FRI 8 OCT, 11:59 PM EDT - Keeper Deadline


17/20 teams have declared keepers. Still need keepers from:

WG
R Money
Fosten
 
72Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 00:50
Deadline for keepers has passed.

R-Money did not post any keepers and I selected them for his team. They were very obvious.

 
73Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 11:44
I've turned on the draft with no clock until the nightly pause Monday night/Tuesday Morning.

Please check your keepers and picks, and let me know ASAP if there is an issue. Make a pick if its your turn or load your queues.

Though there is no penalty, and you wont be skipped, "no clock etiquette" is to make your pick as if there were a 4 hour clock. Keep in mind that it will take some awhile to come up to speed, so patience is the operative word this weekend.
 
74 Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 11:52
Your keepers have been loaded into Yahoo now. You can check my work by looking at draft results. Let me know if there is an issue.

If I haven't made a mistake, the players tab reflects ONLY available players. This should provide you a nice draft tool.

I plan to load drafted players at least once a day during the draft. That should sustain the usefulness of the players tab for making draft selections. Keep in mind, I may make a mistake loading drafted players. Checking Yahoo's Draft results periodically, and letting me know if there is an issue, will minimize the effect of my mistakes

Good Luck
 
75RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 31526820
      Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 14:36
Is the Draftime import queue working? I never remember how to do it.
 
76Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 15:02
Don't think we had it last year either. Can't remember.
 
77RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 31526820
      Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 15:08
Ah. I just manually did a bunch so that should do. Thanks for the response, and thanks for all you do getting this going!
 
78GO
      ID: 531581023
      Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 20:13
You have to import and pre rank first before going to your specific draft. Then import into that specific draft queue.
 
80Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Oct 09, 2021, 21:44
Thanks, did not realize there was an additional step.

1) From the Draft Time Home Page click "Pre-Rank Players on the top right

2) From your specific Draft click "General Queue"

3) Just above "Add a Player" click "Import Pre-ranked Players"

4) Click "Import Pre-ranked Players" again

5) Click "Return to General Queue Management"

6) Tweak your General Queue as you see fit now.
 
81RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 209451014
      Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 15:45
That’s the step I was missing. Thanks all!
 
82GO
      ID: 33543812
      Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 09:25
And you can all thank me for that :)... years ago telling KKB it was a tedious process to add them manually and had to be a solution. He was worried about having to pay or whatever if he just took the list from ESPN or Rotowire or something. I told him just make his own list, or aggregate like 3 different sites ADP #s or something. Nobody cares the exact order of the list... we just want the names in so we can easily shuffle them around.
 
83RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 31526820
      Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 12:28
"Nobody cares the exact order"...Ha! Sooooo true. I'm just too lazy to manually enter more that 20 guys. Give me a 300 and just let me sort! I don't care if it still has Desmond Mason or not.
 
84GO
      ID: 33543812
      Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 13:54
We should all name our teams after some non-descript random role player from the last 25 years. Tom Gugliotta? Pooh Richardson? Whang Zhi?!
 
85Philly Busters
      ID: 311122313
      Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 15:11
I might have to go with Furkan Korkmaz. Makes me feel like I'm cursing at the dumb ass driver in front of me, lol
 
86RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 31526820
      Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 17:42
I'll go with JamesOn Curry. 3.9 seconds in the NBA...still me than me. Dude could ball.
 
87RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 31526820
      Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 01:41
OK, I'm going with:

Up Mitch Creek w/o paddle
 
88Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 09:33
Without a Pat Al

Total Scrub!
 
89Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 10:56
Is there somewhere I can see last year's league standings - including all category rankings? I can't seem to find it at Yahoo.
 
90Philly Busters
      ID: 311122313
      Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 12:52
I found it by going to last year's league link, clicking on standings, then turning off live standings. This link should work:

2020-21 Standings
 
91Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 13:54
Thanks. Your link has a typo. Here is the correct link:
https://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/2020/nba/5726/standings?opt_out=1
 
92Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 14:57
Seems I forgot to set the 4 hour clock last night. Nobody would have busted the clock in any case. We are now on a four hour limit.
 
93RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 31526820
      Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 16:46
Took me while, but I hacked into KnicksFan's Draftime account and pulled his player queue:

Robert Williams III

Trey Murphy III

Marvin Bagley III

Harry Giles III
Greg Brown III
Frank Mason III
Matt Coleman III
James Webb III
 
94KnicksFan
      ID: 1693859
      Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 10:10
I shook things up and took Kelly Oubre, Jr. But really I'm looking forward to drafting his son in 20 years.
 
95Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 16:18
Still awaiting prize pool payments from the following managers:

Dave R ($10)
Duff ($15)
WG ($15)
R-Money ($15)

See post 45 for details.
 
96ttucowboy
      ID: 32919159
      Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 10:19
Trade Alert

ttucowboy trades:

6.19
2022 4

PD trades:

6.03
2022 6

PD to confirm.
 
97Perm Dude
      ID: 272571622
      Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 10:20
Confirmed
 
98Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 22:07
Let me know if you find anything wrong with your lineup. All players are on waivers now.
 
99Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Oct 16, 2021, 11:03
<96> Think this is only trade involving next year's picks.

Can you guys do a trade at Yahoo for me so that next year all pick trades are in Yahoo? I want it to show as a trade, not a commish move (not even sure I can swap next year picks as commish).

You can start it out as if trading for a player in your opponent's team then uncheck the player, while checking off picks in the resultant page I think.
 
100Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 13:38
All prize pool payments have been received. Thanks.

Three managers have opted out - Perm Dude, BB the Ball, and Artofmonk.

That produces a pool of $255 (17 x $15)

Here is our traditional payout pattern for a pool size of $255:

1st: $95
2nd: $55
3rd: $40
4th: $30
5th: $20
6th: $15

 
101RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 45103890
      Tue, Nov 09, 2021, 01:41
Dear JB Bickerstaff,
Please take note that when Jarrett Allen has a double-double, the Cavs are 6-0. Conversely, when Jarrett Allen does not have a double-double, the Cavs record is 0-4. Please put out your best effort to ensure Jarrett earns a double-double...not in the Westbrookian-Self-Serving-3d effort, but within the winning methods as illustrated above.
Thank you,
RecycledSpinalFluid
 
102GO
      ID: 33543812
      Tue, Nov 09, 2021, 09:28
Bean, still need to test swapping picks only? We can try with swapping 6th rounders or something.
 
103JB Bickerstaff
      ID: 61050119
      Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 10:50
Dear RecycledSpinalFluid,
Thanks for nothing, dumbass.
Regards.
Coach JB Bickerstaff
 
104Skinneej
      ID: 11931511
      Sat, Nov 13, 2021, 09:16
I just noticed that the max games limits were not reset after last year’s reduced game schedule. I believe the limits were previously set to 90 games per slot for a full 82 game schedule, is that correct?
 
105Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Nov 13, 2021, 09:56
Surprised nobody caught it earlier Skinneej. Last two years have been full of hiccups due to COVID. Thanks in any case.

It's fixed now, let the bitchin' commence.
 
106Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Nov 13, 2021, 10:01
Wish I had started more bench guys earlier. Between being behind pace now, and 4 guys on IR (3 keepers and my first pick - ouch), I have some games to make up.
 
107RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 45103890
      Sat, Nov 13, 2021, 20:39
Man, thats funny. I was looking at my projected games earlier, thinking Yahoo must be glitched or something. Yeah more games!
 
108Skinneej
      ID: 11931511
      Sat, Nov 13, 2021, 22:16
I just happened to check it and was like wow I’m already over my pace on all positions? Usually I can rotate some bench players the first few weeks to see what I have, and then slow down some later if my pace gets too high. Thanks for fixing it quickly Bean!
 
109RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 45103890
      Sat, Nov 27, 2021, 02:40
Hmmm...
4 Bucks
3 Clippers
2 Nets

My team is not very team-diverse.
 
110RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 45103890
      Wed, Dec 01, 2021, 15:34
WWCBD - Duff, thank you! I spent way too long thinking about picking up Boogie. Like I need another GD Buck! Now, I know it's going to come back and bite me for not doing it...
 
111WWCBD
      ID: 27113920
      Thu, Dec 02, 2021, 01:42
The way I'm burning through players like a 12 year old with ADD I'm sure you'll have an opportunity to grab him soon enough :)

The game cap adjustment completely threw me off. My "just have players with long term upside" on my bench strat really boned me haha. I'm scrambling for starters.
 
112GO
      ID: 19101309
      Thu, Dec 09, 2021, 10:11
I'd never used the Standings "Chart View" interactive before on the website... really interesting to see the way I've gone up, down and back up again on my FT% for example. I was looking for something similar on ESPN for RIHC and am finding nothing.
 
113Perm Dude
      ID: 561143715
      Fri, Dec 10, 2021, 16:41
Kevin Looney has appeared on the rosters of 1/4 of the league already this season.
 
114RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 45103890
      Fri, Dec 17, 2021, 16:55
OK. I've got a real problem that needs therapy to resolve. 5 Bucks? Is Middleton available?
 
115RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 2311311914
      Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 15:31
Man, it’s a battle of attrition right now. This is definitely a rough patch for the NBA right now.
 
116GO
      ID: 19101309
      Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 09:29
I wonder what percentage of the NBA players are actually vaccinated vs. other sports. I also wonder if the nature of no helmets, close contact leads to more transfer of the virus or if that's even a factor. Like baseball they can stay pretty far from each other for the most part. AND everyone is touching the ball... unlike in say football, none of the lineman touch it, just the dude in front of them for the most part.
 
117RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 45103890
      Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 11:34
I read something from John Hollinger yesterday that the NBA is 97% vaxxed. In the ever mutating virus world, who knows what that even means now. 1 shot? 2 shots? Booster?

Only thing I know is that we are getting deep in the woods on guys getting 20+ minutes a game. I mean, Hassani Gravett? Who-the-whatsit? I don't know who that dude is, but he may be winning the best hair & beard combo in the NBA.
 
118WWCBD
      ID: 27113920
      Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 13:43
This is just ridiculous :-/ yeesh
 
119Skinneej
      ID: 11931511
      Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 14:46
Yeah that is pretty bad when Hassani Gravett is being considered for a pickup. Of all the guys that have come out of my alma mater at South Carolina, he is one of those I cringed when he was in the games. Terrible shooter and terrible decision maker under pressure. I just saw he was a career 38% shooter in college which is higher than I thought. He was at least 33% from 3 but that’s not great these days, and he was a below average FT shooter also. Just a bum that I’m glad graduated finally!

I’m glad to get Derozan and Booker back, but had 5 guys out on protocols a few days ago. I’m know that each player is likely to be out at least once this year, so hoping they can stagger them for me and not have so many out at once.
 
120RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 2311311914
      Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 17:46
Currently 4 of my 6 keepers…Dinwiddie may as well be, I’d be getting better results…
 
121skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 13:53
I know this is a crazy time dealing with all this especially the last minute updates, a ton of star players missing time, games being postponed, etc., but is anyone else actually really enjoying having to dig this deep? I mean I love basketball anyway and there's only like 3 people I know in real life that follow NBA as closely as I do, but I feel like this might all seem boring if we return to normal again next year :)
 
122WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Dec 22, 2021, 19:10
It's definitely interesting trying to guess which no name that pops might have some sustainability to merit a pickup... but with the sheer amount of injuries/covid scratches, I'm finding it tough to cut most of my guys to take a shot on those no names. Maybe incorrect but I feel like most of them are too good to drop... I'm sure other teams feel the same way about their players. Even one more IL slot would probably go a long way for us all. Something to think about for the future, maybe, but in G20 Baseball we changed the settings to something like allowing any keeper to be IR'd; we could explore something similar here for our 6 keepers? Or simply add another IL slot or two at some point??
 
123RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 45103890
      Thu, Dec 23, 2021, 03:18
Oh, this is awesome. Just looked at my roster for today. 13 players (12 + IL). 6 listed as INJ, 2 listed as GTD and 1 listed as O. 4 healthy dudes. Thats just funny. Cruel funny, but funny.

I agree with skinneej. I think I've had the most fun when my team was bad and I was churning through players, looking for diamonds in the rough, or useful parts I could deal away.

Also agree with WG. I like my dudes more than I like the gamble of part timers. Even a dude like Jordan Nwora was a guy I had my eye on (no...not because he's a Buck...maybe not...) since his blowup game at the end of last season. I'm sure I'll cycle through dudes, but it's tough, if looking at "long term potential" for some of them. I'm taking tryouts for my 6th keeper...
 
124ttucowboy
      ID: 4311562422
      Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 23:56
If anyone feels bad about their current team’s situation, go look at BB the Ball’s Team. You won’t feel as bad after doing that.
 
125Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sat, Dec 25, 2021, 09:26
Nuthin' like a observing a good train wreck. Sorry BB.
 
126Perm Dude
      ID: 561143715
      Sun, Dec 26, 2021, 13:37
For some teams, this is nuts.

NBA players currently in health and safety protocols.
 
127Perm Dude
      ID: 561143715
      Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 09:18
Greg Monroe is back--that's how bad it is.

Meanwhile, I literally LOL at this quote:

Monroe on Jaylen Nowell: 'Not Gonna Lie ... I Had No Idea Who That Was'
 
128skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Tue, Dec 28, 2021, 15:00
Haha thats a great quote! Harkens back to the day when Greg Monroe was all the rage in the league and I think he was traded around a few times and expected to be a big star.
 
129RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 45103890
      Thu, Dec 30, 2021, 11:14
While its taken years ofr careful cultivation, but I've finally done it. I've formed...

The ULTIMATE BIG 3, HOLIDAY EDITION

May Justin, Jrue and Aaron continue on to world domination!

Well, at least as long as Aaron and Justin stick to my roster. I feel as though this glorious reign may not last too long...

 
130RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 45103890
      Wed, Jan 05, 2022, 17:52
At no point in my offseason/preseason did I predict I would start 28 year old rookie, Keifer Sykes. This is a weird ass season.
 
131GO
      ID: 19101309
      Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 08:43
One IL slot does seem woefully inadequate given the current situation. Would there be any support to add a 2nd one? Maybe we do it at the All Star Break?
 
132RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 45103890
      Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 15:00
I gotta say, if we had that "Keeper IL", that didn't require any manual manipulation (said in my best Bean voice), that would be a sweet add, in the land and times of Covid.
 
133ttucowboy
      ID: 230353018
      Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 19:35
Anyone able to explain how the Siakam/4 for Portis/Diablo/3 makes any sense? Either I’m going crazy (it’s possible) or this trade is terrible for PD. Someone’s simulation is glitching.
 
134Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 22:34
I'm perplexed as well
 
135RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 45103890
      Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 23:54
Frankly it's not as 1 sided as you might think. Siakim is better but not significantly. His advantage is huge minutes per game, which allows him to score more, but go stat for stat and there isn't a huge difference in the guys, outside name recognition. Siakim does kill him in assists, but shake your head and they are soclose otherwise. Portis gets hosed by Bud's small minutes plans, that and PF issues.

Do I make this trade? Ehhh....
 
136RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 45103890
      Sun, Jan 30, 2022, 23:58
Of course, Siakim is a foundational piece in TOR (until he's dealt), while Portis isn't.
 
137GO
      ID: 19101309
      Mon, Jan 31, 2022, 10:59
I can't believe no rebuilding squad has made a single offer for Ben Simmons at this point. A rebounding guard is a monster in this format.
 
138WWCBD
      ID: 27113920
      Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 21:06
Any way I can retroactively veto the Portis/Siakam trade? Jesus Christ.....
 
139WWCBD
      ID: 27113920
      Fri, Feb 04, 2022, 21:12
Just to be clear, I just want Siakam to calm the F down. CALM DOWN
 
140RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 45103890
      Thu, Feb 10, 2022, 21:33
I have no idea who 1/4 of my team plays for today. Harden, Dinwiddie, DiVincenzo and Bagley all moved somewhere.
 
141Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 11:49
CHRis pAUL....maybe I can still stay in the money, but my "CHR..AUL" to the top is over.
 
142RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 45103890
      Tue, Feb 22, 2022, 18:27
Took me about 5 times reading that to figure out what you were saying...now I think it's awesome.
 
143GO
      ID: 35231211
      Wed, Mar 02, 2022, 12:31
To WG's email... trade deadline tomorrow.

I'd still move some Ben Simmons for a keeper caliber player. Of course the price has gone up a bit since he was stuck in Philly... but considering I'm a Sixer fan and the hate the guy, maybe we can get it done... :)
 
144 WG
      ID: 89402220
      Wed, Mar 02, 2022, 14:08
I'd move Kevin Porter (21yr) for an older PG with better 3s and percentages. Can throw in Chris Boucher (ranked 106 on the year thanks to our double rebound categories).
 
145RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 45103890
      Wed, Mar 02, 2022, 23:50
On a night where I have 4 double doubles, another with 29-9-9 and the last guy drops an interesting 7-5-4 with 4 steals...all that and I moved up...1 point. Sigh...

Thats way too many ellipses.
 
146RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 45103890
      Wed, Mar 30, 2022, 15:46
Looking at G League stuff this morning.

The OKC G-Leaguers should make a move for these guys:

Sharife Cooper
or
Diashen Nix

I know G League stats don't translate directly, but those are some serious young ballers.
 
147RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 45103890
      Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 14:06
I still think there's a chance I can catch 1st...
 
148Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Sun, Apr 10, 2022, 14:55
I like your denial... err... determination.
 
149GO
      ID: 35231211
      Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 10:37
Congrats to 2SJ!
 
150Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 11:04
Grats skineej
 
151RecycledSpinalFluid
      ID: 45103890
      Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 12:30
Congrats skinneej for kicking everyone's butts!
 
152Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Apr 11, 2022, 15:27
Prize pool awards:

Skinneej $95
WWCBD $55
WG $40
$RSF $30
Bean $20
Meatwads $15

I'll contact via email to arrange for payments (or leaving funds on account)

 
153Skinneej
      ID: 11931511
      Wed, Apr 13, 2022, 03:05
Thanks everyone! It’s been a challenging few months and last year even that at times was hard to keep up with how my team was doing every day. Maybe that’s why the results were so good - I would set my roster for a few days at a time and then check back after and didn’t tinker as much the second half. With working long hours for months on end and being sick a few weeks back, I was glad to have had enough of a cushion at the end to survive for my first title in either G24 Football or G20 Hoops.

Being an original member in both Gurupie leagues that started 20 years ago now, I certainly thought I would have won a title before this year. But I’ve managed to only make the super bowl twice in G24 Football and lost both times. After finishing 2nd in year 3 of G20 hoops (2004) I wouldn’t finish as high as 3rd again until two years ago (2019). I think I had a few 4-6 place finishes here and there along the way, but mostly have been middle of the pack trying to stay competitive most years. Just shows you how hard it is to win in these leagues, and all the managers that have dominated for years that I was jealous of the rosters they had built.

As every champ says, I’d love to run it back next year, but I know it will be difficult. I’ll do my best as inevitable injuries and team roster changes will naturally happen, but hope to be in competition late into the season again!
 
155Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 11:52
DEMERITS

GP DE Team

534 15 Weekend Over (R-Money)
643 02 PT's Pleasant Team (twolves)
646 02 GO Sixers
652 01 Spida (artofmonk)

STANDINGS

PL PTS TEAM

01 158.0 Skinnee J's
02 150.0 WWCBD
03 148.0 Wazaaap Guy
04 125.0 RSF - Fist Full of Rings
05 119.0 Bean's Buckeyes
06 109.5 Mighty Meatwads
07 109.0 Munson Mobsters
08 108.0 ttucowboy
09 107.0 GO Sixers
10 092.0 Philly Busters
11 088.0 Air Tosh
12 084.0 SANFORDORS
13 078.5 Spida
14 074.0 KnicksFan
15 065.0 Weekend Over
16 061.5 Roto Guru20
17 059.0 BB the Ball
18 056.0 Fred's Team
19 053.5 PT's Pleasant Team
20 045.0 youngroman's Luschen
 
156Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 12:44
PICK TRADES

# Date - Sends - Round - For - Round

1 2022-03-05 WG 5 WWCBD 6
2 2022-03-01 GO 2 BBtheBall 6
3 2022-02-01 SkinneeJ 3 PermDude 4 (from ttucowboy #7 below)
4 2022-01-13 WG 3 R-Money 6
5 2021-12-04 WWCBD 1 youngroman 6
6 2021-11-02 ttucowboy 2 PermDude 5
7 2021-10-18 ttucowboy 4 PermDude 6
 
157GO
      ID: 34025146
      Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 10:19
Hard to accept getting demerits when your team finishes in the top half of the league and top 5 in moves made.

Sounds like an inadequate system.
 
158Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 11:22
GO, Two draft positions too much for you to deal with?

Lots of whining about too many guys on IL culminating with <124>. Not sure what exactly stopped you from getting to Min GP, but others who were in dire straights managed to get there.

I definitely don't want to remove the demerit system. Without it, you get sandbagging through ignoring your team. Consider R-Money this year.

Tanking is still considered cheating in the real NFL and the real NBA in case nobody remembers. It's just hard to enforce and prove. Here at Rotoguru, the notion that tanking is not cheating, but a valid strategy is prevalent in keeper leagues of all sports.

Remove the guardrails we have in place, and you will have this kind of cheating, even if unintentional. You see it in every Rotoguru born league where roster rule mechanics don't restrict it somehow.

If we aren't going to have real parity, then lets quit pretending. We'd be better off with a random draft order with snaking rounds, rather than rewarding blatant cheating.

I am off my soap box now. Maybe we should consider another IL slot or another BN?
 
159GO
      ID: 34025146
      Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 20:34
Correct, I shouldn't be docked anything when I clearly made plenty of effort to participate. If we could somehow find a time spent staring at the Yahoo screen, I'd probably win that too.

And yes, one IL was certainly insufficient as I had it clogged with Ben Simmons all year. And then people would get CoVID and be out for 10 days or more as we saw in the posts above. 2 should be enough, i suspect we'll get there next year.. only used for keepers?... and COVID should hopefully be more and more in the rearview although I suspect it will spike each winter - and this is a winter sport afterall.
 
160Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Fri, Apr 15, 2022, 20:51
Well, the rule is the rule. Everyone knew the rule ahead of time, and everyone had the same constraints applied. You'll not get my sympathy, if that's what you're looking for.

Definitely not in favor of ANY self policed rules because inevitably someone will rat on a violator and the commish will have to deal with it. However, I will also not be burdened to enforce a rule that requires daily review of people's rosters. You guys vote a "keeper only" rule in, and I won't be your commish, plain and simple....someone else will need to step up.

GO, I think people have already moved on to baseball and may not be checking this thread anymore. If you want to suggest a rule change, make a point to do so during roll call next season. I am certain you'll get support, just not sure how much.

.