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- [330592710] Tue, Dec 11, 2001, 09:26
With a new windsprint period starting, and the existing PSC threads getting rather lengthy, it's probably a good time to start a fresh thread.
For this week (12/10-16), I once again monitored the number of trades made by each team in the top 50 of the free game. I used the top 50 teams as of the morning of 12/10.
Of those 50, only 4 teams used more than 5 trades. Three were teams named "Logan_something", of which two used 9 trades and one used 6. The best of those three teams just cracked the top ten last week, and it looks like he's trying to make a move by using extra trades. (That same team used 11 trades last week.) The only other team to exceed 5 trades is coldwater coyotes, who used 7.
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ID: 330592710
Tue, Dec 11, 2001, 09:36
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Here is the list of all players owned by those 50 teams, along with the change from the prior week. Note that Tinsley is no longer on all rosters - but he is still on 42 out of 50.
The most heavily added players were Garnett (+30), Donyell Marshall (+24), Mike Miller (+23), and Jason Williams (+20). The most dropped include Payton (-30), Desmond Mason (-25), and Derrick Coleman (-21).
Pos Name 10-Dec diff 3-Dec
F McGrady, Tracy 47 6 41
C Gasol, Pau 47 3 44
C Kirilenko, Andrei 44 5 39
G Tinsley, Jamaal 42 -8 50
F Thomas, Kenny 40 -8 48
G Williams, Jason 37 20 17
F Miller, Mike 36 23 13
G Turkoglu, Hidayet 34 5 29
C MacCulloch, Todd 31 3 28
F Garnett, Kevin 30 28 2
F Nailon, Lee 29 10 19
F Marshall, Donyell 28 24 4
G Parker, Tony 26 3 23
G Barry, Brent 25 -12 37
G Armstrong, Darrell 23 10 13
G Norris, Moochie 22 -7 29
F Jones, Jumaine 21 6 15
F Fortson, Danny 18 0 18
F Battier, Shane 17 8 9
G Hassell, Trenton 16 4 12
G Griffin, Adrian 15 13 2
C Haywood, Brendan 14 13 1
G Anthony, Greg 14 -1 15
F Coleman, Derrick 14 -21 35
C Stojakovic, Predra 12 -2 14
G Lewis, Rashard 12 -7 19
F Malone, Karl 10 10 0
C Miller, Brad 10 -1 11
C Divac, Vlade 10 -3 13
G Davis, Baron 10 -6 16
F Brand, Elton 8 7 1
G Torres, Oscar 7 -2 9
G Stockton, John 6 6 0
G Person, Wesley 6 3 3
F Swift, Stromile 6 -1 7
F Peterson, Morris 6 -4 10
G Hardaway, Anfernee 6 -6 12
G Hughes, Larry 5 0 5
F Mohammed, Nazr 5 -11 16
G Payton, Gary 5 -30 35
F Szczerbiak, Wally 4 4 0
G Stevenson, DeShawn 4 4 0
G Jordan, Michael 4 3 1
C Nesterovic, Radosl 4 1 3
G Christie, Doug 4 1 3
G Richardson, Jason 4 0 4
G Richardson, Quenti 4 -1 5
C Mutombo, Dikembe 4 -7 11
F Mason, Desmond 4 -25 29
G Sprewell, Latrell 3 3 0
G Nash, Steve 3 3 0
C Hunter, Steven 3 2 1
G Hudson, Troy 3 1 2
G Buford, Rodney 3 0 3
F Long, Art 3 0 3
F Foster, Jeff 3 -8 11
F Nowitzki, Dirk 2 2 0
G Carter, Anthony 2 1 1
G Hamilton, Richard 2 1 1
G Bibby, Mike 2 1 1
F Bell, Raja 2 0 2
C Rebraca, Zeljko 2 -2 4
F Pollard, Scot 2 -2 4
F Baker, Vin 2 -4 6
G Glover, Dion 2 -6 8
F Marion, Shawn 2 -6 8
C Wallace, Rasheed 1 1 0
F Finley, Michael 1 1 0
F Webber, Chris 1 1 0
G Brandon, Terrell 1 1 0
G Jones, Eddie 1 1 0
G Lue, Tyronn 1 1 0
G Wells, Bonzi 1 1 0
G Crotty, John 1 1 0
F Pierce, Paul 1 1 0
F Thomas, Kurt 1 1 0
C Dampier, Erick 1 0 1
F Campbell, Elden 1 0 1
F Harpring, Matt 1 0 1
C Olowokandi, Michae 1 0 1
G Jefferson, Richard 1 0 1
G McKie, Aaron 1 0 1
C Stepania, Vladimir 1 0 1
F Walker, Samaki 1 0 1
F Carter, Vince 1 0 1
G Barry, Jon 1 0 1
F Hill, Grant 1 0 1
G Claxton, Speedy 1 -1 2
G Jackson, Bobby 1 -1 2
F Laettner, Christia 1 -2 3
F Harrington, Al 1 -2 3
G Rose, Jalen 1 -2 3
F Walker, Antoine 1 -3 4
F Wright, Lorenzen 1 -5 6
F LaFrentz, Raef 1 -7 8
F Willis, Kevin 0 -1 1
F Duncan, Tim 0 -1 1
G Johnson, Avery 0 -1 1
G Van Exel, Nick 0 -1 1
F Bowen, Ryan 0 -1 1
F Scott, Shawnelle 0 -1 1
F Funderburke, Lawre 0 -1 1
G Miller, Andre 0 -1 1
G Watson, Earl 0 -1 1
C Cato, Kelvin 0 -2 2
F Abdur-Rahim, Share 0 -2 2
F Rice, Glen 0 -2 2
F Rogers, Rodney 0 -2 2
C Mihm, Chris 0 -2 2
F O'Neal, Jermaine 0 -2 2
G Marbury, Stephon 0 -5 5
G Iverson, Allen 0 -7 7
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| | | 2 | Seattle Zen
ID: 37241120
Tue, Dec 11, 2001, 14:54
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Thanks, Guru
I am just barely in the top 50, so it is fun to see that I'm the only genius to pick up Bonzi Wells this week. I doubt that little touch of differentiation will make up the 1,000 point difference in our squads... :)
Surprised to see 42 teams keeping Tinsley and his two-game week.
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| | | 3 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Dec 11, 2001, 15:26
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Given Tinsley's price, that was an easy call. I'm surprised 8 people dropped him.
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| | | 4 | Kirk
ID: 211452415
Tue, Dec 11, 2001, 18:12
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I was close to dropping Tinsley, but realized I would just be picking him back up next week so at his price that made him a season long keeper. If you keep him for 2 in 7 you will keep him for anything short of an injury or major/rookie slump/wall.
Plus I wanted to try and get rid of my Houston trio, but had to hold on to Moochie to get out of Coleman for the last time.
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| | | 5 | KTxGOD
ID: 40716221
Tue, Dec 11, 2001, 19:08
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i had too many players i wanted to get rid of and could not afford to use one of my trades on tinsley. I kept coleman...dang...
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| | | 6 | Roar
Donor
ID: 412141319
Tue, Dec 11, 2001, 19:11
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I remembered to make my trades this week! I was one of the two that forgot last week. I'm a little slow getting used to a Monday trade deadline. Thanks for the numbers, Guru.
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| | | 7 | Pops
ID: 29102114
Tue, Dec 11, 2001, 22:54
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Ahh I'm making some very bad calls on studs as of late...
Had Shareef when he was out, picked up Artificial Iverson for his 2 games off last week, and I've had Grant Hill screw me 2 seperate weeks this year.
All in all not bad, I still have 1 team hanging in the top 20 but I thought it was time to change things up a bit. We'll see everything pans out.
Also, I'm happy to say, I haven't used a single pay trade thus far.
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| | | 8 | KTxGOD
ID: 40716221
Wed, Dec 12, 2001, 00:10
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im happy to say i have brendon haywood =)
GO UNC ALUMNIS!
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| | | 9 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Dec 17, 2001, 13:05
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Help! I'm falling and I can't get up!
With the recent spate of injuries and disappointments on my roster, I bit the bullet and bought an extra trade for the next week. Hopefully, this will stop the bleeding. (Hemorrhaging is more apt.)
This is primarily a reminder to everyone playing that the roster freeze is 6:30pm EST today.
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| | | 11 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Dec 18, 2001, 10:37
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Looks like a few more people decided that 5 trades wasn't quite enough. Here's the trade tally for the top 50 teams as of 12/16 (actually, it's only 49 teams, because I failed to capture one team's roster for last week):
No trades: 5 (the best of these was previously ranked #23)
1 trade: 1 team (hmmm... I wonder if he thought he banked the rest?)
4 trades: 1
5 trades: 35
6 trades: 2
7 trades: 2 (HOOPDREAMZ and Logan_Knicks, ranked #1 and #4)
8 trades: 2
9 trades: 1
I'll post the summary roster recap in a moment.
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| | | 12 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Dec 18, 2001, 10:39
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Roster summary for week of 12/17-23
Pos Name 17-Dec diff 10-Dec
G Tinsley, Jamaal 49 8 41
C Gasol, Pau 48 2 46
C Kirilenko, Andrei 47 2 45
G Williams, Jason 37 1 36
G Turkoglu, Hidayet 36 2 34
F Nailon, Lee 34 6 28
F Garnett, Kevin 33 2 31
C MacCulloch, Todd 33 3 30
F Walker, Antoine 32 30 2
F Pierce, Paul 29 28 1
F Thomas, Kenny 28 -11 39
F Jones, Jumaine 26 5 21
G Parker, Tony 24 0 24
G Davis, Baron 23 14 9
F Marshall, Donyell 22 -7 29
G Miller, Andre 22 22 0
F Duncan, Tim 21 21 0
C Haywood, Brendan 20 6 14
F Miller, Mike 19 -18 37
G Anthony, Greg 18 5 13
G Norris, Moochie 17 -5 22
F Battier, Shane 17 -1 18
G Griffin, Adrian 15 0 15
G Hassell, Trenton 14 -1 15
G Torres, Oscar 14 5 9
G Barry, Brent 13 -10 23
F McGrady, Tracy 12 -35 47
F Coleman, Derrick 12 -2 14
F Malone, Karl 11 1 10
G Person, Wesley 11 5 6
F Harrington, Al 10 10 0
C Miller, Brad 7 -3 10
C Divac, Vlade 7 -3 10
G Stevenson, DeShawn 7 3 4
F Murray, Lamond 7 7 0
G Anderson, Kenny 7 7 0
F Szczerbiak, Wally 6 1 5
F Swift, Stromile 5 -1 6
F Mohammed, Nazr 5 0 5
C Rebraca, Zeljko 5 2 3
G Cassell, Sam 5 5 0
F Fortson, Danny 4 -11 15
G Hardaway, Anfernee 4 -2 6
F Long, Art 4 1 3
C Wallace, Rasheed 4 3 1
F Brand, Elton 3 -4 7
G Stockton, John 3 -3 6
G Christie, Doug 3 -2 5
C Nesterovic, Radosl 3 -1 4
F Mason, Desmond 3 -1 4
G Buford, Rodney 3 0 3
F Kukoc, Toni 3 3 0
G Armstrong, Darrell 2 -20 22
C Stojakovic, Predra 2 -9 11
F Peterson, Morris 2 -3 5
G Jordan, Michael 2 -3 5
G Richardson, Jason 2 -1 3
C Hunter, Steven 2 -1 3
F Bell, Raja 2 0 2
G Brandon, Terrell 2 0 2
G Wells, Bonzi 2 1 1
F O'Neal, Jermaine 2 2 0
G Iverson, Allen 2 2 0
G Lewis, Rashard 1 -9 10
G Hughes, Larry 1 -3 4
G Payton, Gary 1 -3 4
G Nash, Steve 1 -3 4
G Richardson, Quenti 1 -2 3
C Mutombo, Dikembe 1 -2 3
G Hudson, Troy 1 -2 3
F Nowitzki, Dirk 1 -2 3
F Foster, Jeff 1 -1 2
G Carter, Anthony 1 -1 2
G Hamilton, Richard 1 -1 2
G Bibby, Mike 1 -1 2
F Pollard, Scot 1 -1 2
C Dampier, Erick 1 -1 2
F Webber, Chris 1 0 1
G Crotty, John 1 0 1
F Campbell, Elden 1 0 1
C Olowokandi, Michae 1 0 1
G Jefferson, Richard 1 0 1
G Barry, Jon 1 0 1
G Claxton, Speedy 1 0 1
G Rose, Jalen 1 0 1
F Garrity, Pat 1 0 1
G Watson, Earl 1 1 0
C Potapenko, Vitaly 1 1 0
C Przybilla, Joel 1 1 0
F Wallace, Gerald 1 1 0
F Williamson, Corlis 1 1 0
G Allen, Ray 1 1 0
G Johnson, Joe 1 1 0
G Redd, Michael 1 1 0
G Stackhouse, Jerry 1 1 0
G Stoudamire, Damon 1 1 0
G Sprewell, Latrell 0 -2 2
F Baker, Vin 0 -2 2
G Glover, Dion 0 -1 1
F Marion, Shawn 0 -1 1
F Finley, Michael 0 -1 1
G Jones, Eddie 0 -1 1
G Lue, Tyronn 0 -1 1
F Thomas, Kurt 0 -1 1
G McKie, Aaron 0 -1 1
F Walker, Samaki 0 -1 1
G Jackson, Bobby 0 -1 1
F Wright, Lorenzen 0 -1 1
F LaFrentz, Raef 0 -1 1
G Houston, Allan 0 -1 1
G Palacio, Milt 0 -1 1
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| | | 13 | biliruben
Sustainer
ID: 231045110
Tue, Dec 18, 2001, 11:23
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Thanks, guru. Alot of disappointed Walker owners out there this morning, me included.
0-11 for 3 pt land!?!
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| | | 14 | KTxGOD
ID: 40716221
Tue, Dec 18, 2001, 12:08
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Damnit... Hoopzdreams buys trades too... arrggg.... you're still going down! im hunting u down with my 5 trades!!!
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| | | 15 | biliruben
Sustainer
ID: 3502218
Tue, Dec 18, 2001, 15:37
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Modified the optimizer for PSC this morning (maybe I should have done this Sunday!), and ran it optimizing projected points for the current week. Here's what I got, assuming the extra slots were forwards:
Duncan, Tim
Pierce, Paul
Miller, Andre
Davis, Baron
O'Neal, Jermaine
Tinsley, Jamaal
Williams, Jason
Gasol, Pau
Murray, Lamond
Battier, Shane
Swift, Stromile
Kirilenko, Andrei
Person, Wesley
Jones, Jumaine
Coleman, Derrick
Parker, Tony
MacCulloch, Todd
Nailon, Lee
and here's what I got when I gave 1 wild card to guard:
Duncan, Tim
Pierce, Paul
Miller, Andre
Davis, Baron
O'Neal, Jermaine
Tinsley, Jamaal
Marshall, Donyell
Williams, Jason
Gasol, Pau
Murray, Lamond
Swift, Stromile
Kirilenko, Andrei
Person, Wesley
Jones, Jumaine
Turkoglu, Hidayet
Parker, Tony
MacCulloch, Todd
Nailon, Lee
BTW, if anyone wants the modified spreadsheet, to post (I don't have a website to post from), or for there own amusement, email me.
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| | | 16 | biliruben
Sustainer
ID: 3502218
Tue, Dec 18, 2001, 15:48
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...and this is what you get when you allow the slots to be picked, ignoring position - remains legal!
Hmmm... this looks suspiciously like The Bandwagon's roster. I guess I don't have to worry about him requesting this. ;)
C Gasol, Pau
C Kirilenko, Andrei
C MacCulloch, Todd
C Haywood, Brendan
F Duncan, Tim
F Garnett, Kevin
F Murray, Lamond
F Swift, Stromile
F Jones, Jumaine
F Nailon, Lee
G Miller, Andre
G Davis, Baron
G Tinsley, Jamaal
G Iverson, Allen
G Williams, Jason
G Person, Wesley
G Turkoglu, Hidayet
G Parker, Tony
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| | | 17 | biliruben
Sustainer
ID: 3502218
Tue, Dec 18, 2001, 23:31
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Huh. Why the heck would Iverson end up in this last optimization - 3 games and 4.9/g/m this week.
I mean, just off the top of my head - pierce, walker and cassell would generate more pts for the week at a lower price, by virtue of the extra game played.
This is the first time I have used this optimizer - is there something I am missing here?
... sure enough. I block AI from the analysis, and I get pierce, with the extra money used to upgrade some cheaper slots.
Confusing.
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| | | 18 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Dec 19, 2001, 09:26
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The optimizer has a tendency to get confused sometimes. I think this is due to a combination of the large sample size and the use of integer programming. The solver routine sometimes gets fixated on someone who is not optimal.
Sometimes, resorting the player list can help. I usually sort my player listing based on projected points. But even then, I occasionally get suboptimal results.
So there's still no substitute for some critical review - as you have done. If someone looks out of place, then force them out manually, and see if it helps. I also like to try to force a few different players into the solution, just to see how it adapts. Select a player or two that seem to make sense - both cheap and expensive - and see whether you can get a better result.
The other caveat is to be aware of the averages being used. If using a longer term average, then recent trends are often missed. But when using shorter term averages, anomalous games - either higher or low - can significantly distort projected points vs. what you would likely expect.
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| | | 19 | biliruben
Sustainer
ID: 231045110
Wed, Dec 19, 2001, 10:36
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Thanks, Guru. I won't go searching for a bug in the spreadsheet.
Yeah - I am pondering the short-term vs. long-term trends issues now as well. I had been looking pretty much exclusively YTD, but started looking at 2 week projections this week. Al Harrington was the biggest fish I was missing, due to his increased PT (ignored him anyway, though my competition didn't). Though last night makes you wonder if the last 2-weeks were more fluke than actual change in trend.
A weighting of near-term and ytd trends, maybe...
Having had no previous hoops fantasy experience, I still haven't gotten a strong feel for how much ordinary variability is expected in individual performances, and how much PT may vary without implying any trend.
I am going to draw the line (so to speak) and regression analysis, dangit!
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| | | 20 | Twarpy
Leader
ID: 461116111
Sat, Dec 22, 2001, 02:50
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This has been eating at me for a while now, from the last thread when Guru said that CC's victory
would be "hollow" if he were to use pay trades and win the game. Well now Guru has used a trade too after somewhat lobbying for people not to.
Warning I'm gonna rant here...
Look I don't know what any of your guys problem is regarding the PSC game and it's RULES. The rules tell you that you get 5 free trades a week, anymore you pay for. NOWHERE does it say that you are limited to the free trades that they provide you. If I wanted to buy an extra 13 trades a week and use them to fully rotate my roster thats MY perogative. Everyone who is using the excuse that they can't afford extra trades and that it's unfair to everyone else to use trades is only kidding themselves.
The best managers playing fantasy sports will tell you the following about any game they play. 1. READ the rules of the game you are playing. 2.UNDERSTAND the rules of the game you are playing. 3. most important, TAKE MAXIMUM advantage of those rules within the structure of the game. I'll guarantee you the winning manager of any fantasy game subscribes to this theory and practice.
For anyone who feels the right to put down anyone using extra trades, or say that their victory isn't just they have no room to speak. If you really wanted to attack someone you'd attack the PSC commish for stating a free game, which is basically only free by registration and the 5 trades you get weekly. That doesn't exactly fit the definition of FREE now does it??????
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| | | 21 | KTxGOD
ID: 40716221
Sat, Dec 22, 2001, 03:22
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In defense of the PSC game, you can play the game for free, therefore i believe it does fit the defnition of FREE. It might not be completely fair, but its free nonetheless and it sure as hell beats the other free games such as "staring 5" or wahtever that game is called at TSN and that lame Swirve pick em game...
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| | | 22 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Dec 22, 2001, 08:35
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I had hoped to go without paid trades, although I think I also said "barring injury problems" or some such caveat.
After having such a horrendous week and a couple of injuries to deal with (should have dealt Kenny Thomas as well), and after having seen that some of the other leaders were regularly buying extra trades, I decided to use one extra, at least for this week. No plans to use more, but those plans could change.
I also decided that I'd give advance notice about the extra trade, since I had gone on record as saying I'd hoped not to use one. So I posted [9] my "confession" about 6 hours in advance of the freeze.
Guess I have no "hollowed ground" to stand on, though.
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| | | 23 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Tue, Dec 25, 2001, 13:44
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I traded into shaq yesterday... DAMNIT!!!
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| | | 24 | Kirk
ID: 211452415
Tue, Dec 25, 2001, 15:18
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Well, I have currently not used any more trades than the free ones. My 'challenger' in my league has used a few pay, not sure of the number, but injuries bit him this last week and I caught him on Wednesday or Thursday of last week along with finishing 7th overall for the week. Currently at 40th overall. So I'm guessing only those that feel they have a chance of winning the whole 'ball-of-wax' will probably pay for trades. Closer to the end of the season the more tempting it will be. Haven't gained much on top 5 since they set the margin after week 2, but holding about the same margin through past 5-7 weeks. Will see if I can gain anymore this week. I don't have Shaq.
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| | | 25 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Dec 29, 2001, 12:59
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Sorry to be a little late with this week's trade analysis for the free game.
Once again, I tabulated the trading activity of the top 50 teams as of the end of the prior week. Here are the results by number of trades made for the week of 12/25-30:
# trades #teams
None 1
2 3
4 3
5 38
6 1
7 1
8 3
Of the top ten teams, only two used more than 5 trades - Logan Knicks (7) and coldwater coyotes (8).
Surprising to see that three teams used only 2 trades. The best of those three teams was Pivo, which was ranked #14 heading into this week.
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| | | 26 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Dec 29, 2001, 13:02
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Here are the roster holdings and changes for those same top 50 teams:
Pos Name 24-Dec diff 17-Dec
G Tinsley, Jamaal 50 0 50
C Gasol, Pau 49 1 48
F Pierce, Paul 44 13 31
C Kirilenko, Andrei 41 -6 47
F Coleman, Derrick 40 30 10
C MacCulloch, Todd 39 7 32
F Walker, Antoine 39 7 32
F Jones, Jumaine 39 14 25
F Nailon, Lee 37 0 37
G Williams, Jason 30 -9 39
G Turkoglu, Hidayet 30 -7 37
G Bryant, Kobe 28 28 0
G Anthony, Greg 27 8 19
G Iverson, Allen 24 23 1
C Haywood, Brendan 23 2 21
G Parker, Tony 22 -3 25
G Miller, Andre 21 -1 22
F Battier, Shane 21 3 18
G Hassell, Trenton 19 3 16
G Norris, Moochie 18 0 18
F Duncan, Tim 15 -7 22
F Miller, Mike 15 -4 19
G Redd, Michael 15 15 0
C O'Neal, Shaquille 15 15 0
C Miller, Brad 14 7 7
F Marshall, Donyell 12 -11 23
G Torres, Oscar 12 -4 16
G Person, Wesley 12 2 10
F Garnett, Kevin 11 -23 34
G Anderson, Kenny 10 10 0
F Swift, Stromile 9 2 7
F Walker, Samaki 8 8 0
G Davis, Baron 7 -17 24
G Cassell, Sam 6 6 0
F Thomas, Kenny 5 -20 25
F Szczerbiak, Wally 5 -2 7
C Nesterovic, Radosl 5 2 3
C Mutombo, Dikembe 5 4 1
G McKie, Aaron 4 3 1
F Harrington, Al 3 -6 9
C Divac, Vlade 3 -4 7
F Mohammed, Nazr 3 -3 6
C Wallace, Rasheed 3 -2 5
G Stevenson, DeShawn 3 -1 4
F Long, Art 3 0 3
F Mason, Desmond 3 2 1
G Richardson, Quenti 3 3 0
F O'Neal, Jermaine 3 3 0
F Murray, Lamond 3 3 0
F Horry, Robert 3 3 0
G Billups, Chauncey 3 3 0
G Kidd, Jason 3 3 0
C Rebraca, Zeljko 2 -1 3
F Brand, Elton 2 -1 3
F Bell, Raja 2 1 1
G Johnson, Joe 2 2 0
F Fizer, Marcus 2 2 0
F Van Horn, Keith 2 2 0
G Griffin, Adrian 1 -15 16
F Malone, Karl 1 -9 10
F Robinson, Glenn 1 -5 6
C Stojakovic, Predra 1 -4 5
F Fortson, Danny 1 -3 4
F Peterson, Morris 1 -2 3
G Sprewell, Latrell 1 -1 2
G Nash, Steve 1 0 1
G Hardaway, Anfernee 1 0 1
G Hudson, Troy 1 0 1
G Rose, Jalen 1 0 1
G Crotty, John 1 1 0
G Barry, Jon 1 1 0
F Harpring, Matt 1 1 0
F Wallace, Gerald 1 1 0
G Stoudamire, Damon 1 1 0
F Bryant, Mark 1 1 0
F Griffin, Eddie 1 1 0
F Martin, Kenyon 1 1 0
G George, Devean 1 1 0
G Johnson, DerMarr 1 1 0
G Kittles, Kerry 1 1 0
F Collins, Jarron 1 1 0
G Barry, Brent 0 -12 12
F McGrady, Tracy 0 -12 12
C Ewing, Patrick 0 -8 8
F Roberson, Terrance 0 -6 6
G Christie, Doug 0 -3 3
G Lewis, Rashard 0 -3 3
C Diop, Desagana 0 -3 3
F Baker, Vin 0 -2 2
G Stockton, John 0 -2 2
G Buford, Rodney 0 -2 2
F LaFrentz, Raef 0 -2 2
C Bagaric, Dalibor 0 -2 2
F Pollard, Scot 0 -2 2
F Thomas, Kurt 0 -1 1
G Payton, Gary 0 -1 1
G Brandon, Terrell 0 -1 1
C Marks, Sean 0 -1 1
C Hunter, Steven 0 -1 1
C Dampier, Erick 0 -1 1
F Campbell, Elden 0 -1 1
G Lue, Tyronn 0 -1 1
G Bibby, Mike 0 -1 1
F Brown, Chucky 0 -1 1
G Majerle, Dan 0 -1 1
G Armstrong, Darrell 0 -1 1
G Hughes, Larry 0 -1 1
G Richardson, Jason 0 -1 1
F Nowitzki, Dirk 0 -1 1
G Carter, Anthony 0 -1 1
G Jackson, Bobby 0 -1 1
F Webber, Chris 0 -1 1
G Jones, Eddie 0 -1 1
C James, Jerome 0 -1 1
C Joseph, Garth 0 -1 1
C Austin, Isaac 0 -1 1
15 disappointed Shaq owners. I'd have been one, too, if the freeze was on Monday rather than Tuesday.
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| | | 27 | Kirk
ID: 211452415
Sat, Dec 29, 2001, 13:36
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Gee at Shaq's price I would think that there wouldn't be that many owners that really could afford Shaq unless he played 5 games minimum for the week.
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| | | 28 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Sat, Dec 29, 2001, 13:37
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BLAH SHAQ!!! BLAH!
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| | | 29 | Seattle Zen
ID: 37241120
Sun, Dec 30, 2001, 00:31
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Thanks, Guru, I really enjoy seeing what the "Joneses" are doing.
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| | | 30 | Kirk
ID: 4757111
Mon, Dec 31, 2001, 11:58
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For anyone that doesn't know. This week's roster freeze is earlier than the normal. Normally it is at 7:30 EST (I think, maybe 7:00), but there is an early game today so the freeze is 2:30 EST/1:30 CST/12:30 MST/11:30 PST. As of this post that only gives you about 2.5 hours to make your changes.
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| | | 31 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Mon, Dec 31, 2001, 14:06
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THanks for the heads up... damn my teams... damn shaq! ahhh
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| | | 32 | beastiemiked
ID: 17414316
Mon, Dec 31, 2001, 15:07
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Oops, looks like I'll be one of those with 0 trades used this week.
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| | | 33 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 01, 2002, 10:36
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Looks like a lot of people got caught by the early freeze. Ten of the top 50 teams failed to trade.
Here's the tally on the weekly trade volume:Trades #teams
None 10
3 2
4 1
5 32
7 1 (HOOPDREAMZ)
8 1 (Marbury_2_Marion)
11 2
12 1
The teams using 11-12 trades were the three "Logan_xxx" teams, which have been using a lot of trades most weeks.
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| | | 34 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 01, 2002, 10:40
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Here is the roster summary for the top 50 teams, again showing the current rosters, as well as the changes from the prior week.
Pos Name 31-Dec diff 24-Dec
C Gasol, Pau 50 0 50
G Tinsley, Jamaal 49 -1 50
C MacCulloch, Todd 45 7 38
F Jones, Jumaine 42 3 39
F Pierce, Paul 37 -6 43
F Brand, Elton 35 33 2
G Williams, Jason 30 1 29
G Redd, Michael 30 14 16
F Coleman, Derrick 29 -11 40
G Anthony, Greg 28 2 26
C Kirilenko, Andrei 27 -14 41
C Miller, Brad 27 12 15
G Kidd, Jason 27 24 3
F Nailon, Lee 25 -13 38
F Walker, Antoine 22 -17 39
G Turkoglu, Hidayet 22 -8 30
G Hassell, Trenton 22 3 19
G Parker, Tony 21 -1 22
F Walker, Samaki 21 13 8
G Miller, Andre 18 -2 20
F Duncan, Tim 17 1 16
G Bryant, Kobe 15 -13 28
G Cassell, Sam 15 9 6
F Battier, Shane 14 -7 21
G Person, Wesley 14 2 12
F Miller, Mike 12 -4 16
G Richardson, Quenti 11 8 3
F Miles, Darius 11 11 0
G Anderson, Kenny 10 0 10
F Swift, Stromile 10 1 9
F Fortson, Danny 10 9 1
F Garnett, Kevin 9 -1 10
C Haywood, Brendan 8 -14 22
F Martin, Kenyon 8 7 1
C Nesterovic, Radosl 7 2 5
G Billups, Chauncey 7 3 4
G Norris, Moochie 6 -13 19
F Van Horn, Keith 6 4 2
C Olowokandi, Michae 6 6 0
G Iverson, Allen 5 -19 24
G Torres, Oscar 5 -7 12
F Robinson, Glenn 5 4 1
G Kittles, Kerry 5 4 1
C O'Neal, Shaquille 4 -11 15
F Marshall, Donyell 4 -8 12
F Szczerbiak, Wally 4 -1 5
G Richardson, Jason 4 4 0
G McInnis, Jeff 4 4 0
C Mutombo, Dikembe 3 -3 6
G McKie, Aaron 3 -1 4
C Wallace, Rasheed 3 0 3
F Fizer, Marcus 3 1 2
G Maggette, Corey 3 3 0
C Collins, Jason 3 3 0
F Jamison, Antawn 3 3 0
F Mohammed, Nazr 2 -1 3
F Mason, Desmond 2 -1 3
F O'Neal, Jermaine 2 -1 3
F Horry, Robert 2 -1 3
F Long, Art 2 0 2
G Stoudamire, Damon 2 1 1
G Jefferson, Richard 2 2 0
G Davis, Baron 1 -6 7
F Thomas, Kenny 1 -3 4
F Harrington, Al 1 -2 3
C Divac, Vlade 1 -2 3
G Stevenson, DeShawn 1 -2 3
F Murray, Lamond 1 -2 3
C Rebraca, Zeljko 1 -1 2
F Bell, Raja 1 -1 2
G Johnson, Joe 1 -1 2
F Griffin, Eddie 1 -1 2
C Stojakovic, Predra 1 0 1
F Peterson, Morris 1 0 1
G Nash, Steve 1 0 1
G Barry, Jon 1 0 1
F Harpring, Matt 1 0 1
G Lue, Tyronn 1 1 0
C Ilgauskas, Zydruna 1 1 0
F Najera, Eduardo 1 1 0
G Davis, Hubert 1 1 0
G Mercer, Ron 1 1 0
C Clark, Keon 1 1 0
G Williams, Alvin 1 1 0
G Hardaway, Anfernee 0 -2 2
G Griffin, Adrian 0 -1 1
G Sprewell, Latrell 0 -1 1
G Hudson, Troy 0 -1 1
G Rose, Jalen 0 -1 1
G Crotty, John 0 -1 1
F Wallace, Gerald 0 -1 1
F Bryant, Mark 0 -1 1
G George, Devean 0 -1 1
G Johnson, DerMarr 0 -1 1
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| | | 35 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 01, 2002, 12:26
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Curious to think about what the "Logans" are up to.
First, there are three teams registered (Logan_Knicks, Logan_Knicks1, and Logan_Wildcats), and given the similar trading patterns, they are most likely related. Since there is supposedly a limit of 2 teams for the free game, perhaps one is registered in the name of someone else.
This week, those three teams used 19 paid trades combined. That's a total charge of $33.25 for just this week. At that rate, the free game can get rather expensive.
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| | | 36 | Kirk
ID: 211452415
Tue, Jan 01, 2002, 12:33
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4 still have Shaq....
1 still with Lamond Murray....
7 with a marginal Billups
5 with a marginal 'Big Dog' Robinson
27 still have Kirilenko? Interesting....
29 with Coleman (guess they didn't know he was going to get a suspension)
Brand and Kidd massive adds.....
Looks like the 'Logan' teams will probably have 80% of their rosters with 4 game players this week. I sure hope this Logan guy isn't a PSC employee or friend..... He probably will have a huge lead after this week for the top spot.
I think I agree with some of the others that if you advertise a free game, then there shouldn't be an option for those that 'HAVE' money to throw away to create an unbalanced field. Games are meant to be played on a level playing field (of course this is also my argument against the Yankees :} ). This is the same old addage of 'the rich get richer'.
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| | | 37 | Kirk
ID: 211452415
Tue, Jan 01, 2002, 12:34
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I apologize to anyone I might have offended with my little 'rant'.
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| | | 38 | Kirk
ID: 211452415
Tue, Jan 01, 2002, 12:42
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I'm curious to see what happened to those 10 that didn't make changes. Did some of them make changes after the deadline which would affect their rosters for next week, but putting in players for this week? I'm going to guess probably 5 out of the 10 might have been burnt by that.
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| | | 39 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 5178246
Wed, Jan 02, 2002, 02:11
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stop buying trades you rich bastards!
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| | | 40 | DanO
ID: 129552716
Wed, Jan 02, 2002, 10:17
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I'm playing with the 5 FREE TRADES every week.
PERIOD.
I have 2 teams - lead the division in one and
am stuck behind HOOPDREAMZ in the other.
Can't seem to close the gap on HOOPDREAMZ,
but he is not pulling away any either...
I got no problems with people spending money
to try to buy their way to the top - that's
pretty much how the real world works.
Logan_Whatever can buy a bunch of trades every
week. And RotoGuru can buy a trade "just in an
emergency". And I will just work hard and hustle
and do my best to keep up. Maybe I will.
Maybe not. But I'm having a blast, and being
one of the "little guys" (only using free trades)
competing against the "big guys" (guys willing to
spend money to buy their way to the top) adds
to the allure of the game.
I like being one of the little guys / underdogs.
I do hope the final winner is a free trades team.
But I got no problem with the guys who buy trades.
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| | | 41 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Jan 02, 2002, 10:59
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Just to recap my PSC baseball experience.
I used zero free trades until the next-to-last week of the season, when I bought a few just to lock things up.
The guy who finished second routinely bought 3-6 extra trades every week. By the end of the season, I figured he had spent more than $100. Maybe it was worth it to him to finish second.
So buying the extra trades is not a sure method to finish on top. (Obviously, it helps. But it can be overcome with judicious selections. And in my baseball experience, many of my decisions turned out to be boneheaded. I just had a favorable balance, I guess.)
Still, as I've said before, I'd prefer a game that had a hard limit on the number of weekly trades. The one-price game allows unlimited trades, which I don't find appealing. In football, I played both the one-price and free games, and enjoyed the free game much more, since it forces you to plan ahead.
Food for thought for PSC: why not change the one-price game (future seasons) to have a weekly trade limit? I don't think most people play that version to have unlimited trades - they play it to level the trade playing field. I'd be much more inclined to play the one-price game if there was a weekly trade limit.
Second thought: When counting trades, base trade counts on changes to the previous week's roster (and not any interim adjustments).
Here's what I'm getting at. Suppose I decide to drop Duncan, and add Garnett. Then, at the last minute, Garnett gets injured, and I'd prefer to keep Duncan and trade another slot instead. Under the current framework, I have to wait until the last moment to make my trades, since there is no way to undo a trade already processed. Of course, waiting until the last moment entails other risks.
Why not have all trades placed in a "pending" file, and not actually processed until the trade deadline? This way, you could submit a provisional trade plan in advance, but still elect to override it at a later time (but still prior to the freeze).
I realize it would require some additional programming, but it doesn't seem unduly onerous, and would certainly improve the game flow. It might also help those managers who fail to recognize early trade freeze times, as evidently happened this week.
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| | | 42 | Kirk
ID: 4757111
Wed, Jan 02, 2002, 11:38
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DanO, I'm playing the same way you are. I do lead my league, but only because the 2nd place team had problems with some of his 'additional' trades he used. So that part is luck. Leading my league though I am only in 41st place overall and almost 1300 points behind Hoopdreamz so I really have no chance at anyone that is already 800 points ahead since that would involve having every player with 4 or 5 game weeks on my roster. Heck, I'm not even thinking of trading out of Tinsley unless he is injured for long period of time or starts playing 3-4 minutes a game regularly. So all I can hope for is to win my league and maybe sneak into the top 20 toward the end of the season when everyone else gets too busy with baseball.
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| | | 43 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Wed, Jan 02, 2002, 12:57
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I dont see anything wrong with the one price game =)
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| | | 44 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Thu, Jan 03, 2002, 12:22
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anyone else having trouble gettin in to www.pschallenge.com?
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| | | 45 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Jan 03, 2002, 12:29
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I can't get there either. It was up earlier this morning, however.
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| | | 46 | splat
ID: 3110381513
Thu, Jan 03, 2002, 13:51
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I'm enjoying the one price game but I think it would be better with a limit on trades - and that isn't because I trail KT.
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| | | 47 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Thu, Jan 03, 2002, 14:28
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Hi Splat! You're Alive!
I agree that with limited trades, more time would have to be spent on the game... which i would not prefer to do =P
PS to Splat - Nice team this week... you have a +150 on me this week or somtin... ugh
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| | | 48 | splat
ID: 3110381513
Thu, Jan 03, 2002, 17:49
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KT you've pikced some reat teams - I spent last week liking yours much better than mine. This week I like mine better. There's still a long way to go.
I'm in third (15 or so points behind)in the football and trying to come up with a team for this last week is hard. I like games with limited numbers of people to compete against.
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| | | 49 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Fri, Jan 04, 2002, 12:34
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oh man splat! you are +201 on me so far this week! i built up a lead over a 3 week period and now you are tearing it down! well done!
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| | | 50 | splat
ID: 3110381513
Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 12:01
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This should be an interesting weeks with lots of options. Lots of teams playing four and Portland and the Clippers playing five will create some team differentiation. Should be interesting at least.
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| | | 51 | Kirk
ID: 4757111
Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 12:11
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True splat, only problem with having too many Clips or Blazers is that all of them only play 3 games the week afterwards.....
I finished 8th this week and managed to move up to 34th overall so I would have to say I had a fair week.
And still haven't used any extra trades.
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| | | 52 | Kirk
ID: 4757111
Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 12:13
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Sorry I finished 11th this week, was 5th or 8th yesterday I think.
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| | | 53 | deepsnapper
Sustainer
ID: 421144298
Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 13:54
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D'Oh! I changed my FM Mavs roster w/o checking the standings and didn't realize those jokers had a lead in the current windsprint! My filler C, Jason Collins' 91 points was the big surprise of the week.
The baseball cards I received from winning one of the 1-Price football windsprints got the once over from my mom during the holidays and she absconded with the Tino Martinez Team USA! Says she uses them for bookmarks. right! Now where are the other 10,000 cards from my youth?
It's all good though.
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| | | 54 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 13:54
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For the free game, here's a look back at the week's results, related to the number of trades used.
The three "Logan" teams used 11, 11, and 12 trades. They averaged 1613 points for the week (ranging from 1600-1625). Not a very good return on the extra investment, it would appear.
The other two teams who extra bought trades got 1680 and 1682 points (for 8 and 7 trades, respectively). Of those two teams, one was hurt by Cassell's 2 DNPs (HOOPDREAMZ).
The teams which only used the free allotment of 5 trades averaged 1640 points. The range was from a high of 1812 (deepsnapper - WTG!) to a low of 1501.
Three teams used less than 5 trades. Those teams used 3, 3, and 4 trades, and all scored in the 1500s. Still not sure what they were thinking of.
Not surprisingly, those who neglected (or forgot) to trade paid a heavy price. Those ten teams averaged only 1433 points. The best of that group (Pivo, ranked #6), had 1582. That team also used only 2 trades the prior week, and is clearly doing exceptionally well, given the trade shortness. Could he simply misunderstand the rules?
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| | | 55 | Kirk
ID: 4757111
Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 14:18
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I wonder just how much some of the injuries to top teams will cause them to become 'disinterested' in spending money when they lose ground. I know that week before last I had Lamond Murray who never played, but had most of his teammates and they covered the difference. My closest opponent in my division has used more trades, but also got bit by Cassell and someone else with DNPs. Now I have almost a 600 point lead when 3 or 4 weeks ago he was up by 200. Now if I could gain on the leaders (slow down HOOPDREAMZ and GURU).
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| | | 56 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 08:20
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Looks like PSC forgot to reset the freeze back to Monday for this week. This morning's points are still being applied to last week's roster, and the free trade count still hasn't been reset to 5.
I've alerted the folks at PSC.
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| | | 57 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 10:28
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what a horrid week! had glenn robinson in one price game and .... my 300 point lead turned into 36~! AHH!
time to build it up again~! =)
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| | | 58 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 11:08
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Roster freeze has now been corrected.
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| | | 59 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 13:29
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Trade recap - free game - freeze of 1/7/02:
Trades # teams
None 2
2 1
3 1
4 4
5 38
8 2
10 2
The extra trades were by the three Logan teams, plus Coldwater Coyotes (8). The usual.
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| | | 60 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 13:34
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Roster summary for top 50 teams on Jan. 7th:
Pos Name 7-Jan diff 31-Dec
G Tinsley, Jamaal 50 1 49
C Gasol, Pau 49 -1 50
F Jones, Jumaine 43 1 42
F Brand, Elton 41 4 37
C MacCulloch, Todd 38 -8 46
F Pierce, Paul 36 0 36
G Redd, Michael 35 2 33
F Walker, Samaki 26 5 21
C Kirilenko, Andrei 25 0 25
G Miller, Andre 25 5 20
G Stoudamire, Damon 24 22 2
G Anthony, Greg 23 -5 28
C Wallace, Rasheed 23 21 2
G Hassell, Trenton 22 0 22
G Person, Wesley 22 6 16
F Nailon, Lee 21 -2 23
G Richardson, Quenti 21 9 12
F Coleman, Derrick 19 -8 27
F Walker, Antoine 17 -4 21
F Garnett, Kevin 17 7 10
G Williams, Jason 15 -14 29
C Olowokandi, Michae 15 8 7
G Billups, Chauncey 15 9 6
F Odom, Lamar 15 15 0
G Parker, Tony 14 -7 21
F Duncan, Tim 12 -6 18
G Bryant, Kobe 12 -1 13
F Miles, Darius 12 0 12
C Haywood, Brendan 12 4 8
F Szczerbiak, Wally 11 7 4
F Miller, Mike 10 -3 13
G Anderson, Kenny 10 0 10
F LaFrentz, Raef 9 9 0
C Nesterovic, Radosl 8 0 8
F Swift, Stromile 7 -4 11
F Najera, Eduardo 7 5 2
G Williams, Alvin 7 6 1
F Trent, Gary 7 7 0
F Carter, Vince 7 7 0
C Clark, Keon 6 5 1
G Terry, Jason 6 6 0
F Battier, Shane 5 -9 14
G McInnis, Jeff 5 1 4
C Rebraca, Zeljko 5 4 1
F Griffin, Eddie 5 4 1
G Davis, Baron 5 5 0
F Posey, James 5 5 0
C Miller, Brad 4 -24 28
G Jefferson, Richard 4 2 2
F Pippen, Scottie 4 4 0
G Kidd, Jason 3 -25 28
G Cassell, Sam 3 -12 15
G Norris, Moochie 3 -2 5
G Kittles, Kerry 3 -2 5
C Collins, Jason 3 0 3
G Nash, Steve 3 2 1
G Hudson, Troy 3 3 0
G Torres, Oscar 2 -3 5
F Marshall, Donyell 2 0 2
F Mason, Desmond 2 0 2
F Long, Art 2 0 2
G Jordan, Michael 2 2 0
F Williamson, Corlis 2 2 0
F Fortson, Danny 1 -9 10
F Martin, Kenyon 1 -7 8
F Van Horn, Keith 1 -4 5
C O'Neal, Shaquille 1 -2 3
C Mutombo, Dikembe 1 -2 3
G McKie, Aaron 1 -2 3
G Maggette, Corey 1 -2 3
F O'Neal, Jermaine 1 -2 3
F Mohammed, Nazr 1 0 1
F Horry, Robert 1 0 1
F Thomas, Kenny 1 0 1
G Stevenson, DeShawn 1 0 1
F Murray, Lamond 1 0 1
G Barry, Jon 1 0 1
F Harpring, Matt 1 0 1
G Lue, Tyronn 1 0 1
C Ilgauskas, Zydruna 1 0 1
G Davis, Hubert 1 0 1
G Mercer, Ron 1 0 1
F Wallace, Ben 1 0 1
G Crotty, John 1 1 0
F Nowitzki, Dirk 1 1 0
F Davis, Dale 1 1 0
G Wells, Bonzi 1 1 0
C Stewart, Michael 1 1 0
F Davis, Ricky 1 1 0
F Patterson, Ruben 1 1 0
G Artest, Ron 1 1 0
G Augmon, Stacey 1 1 0
G Ollie, Kevin 1 1 0
G Johnson, Avery 1 1 0
G Turkoglu, Hidayet 0 -20 20
G Iverson, Allen 0 -5 5
F Robinson, Glenn 0 -5 5
G Richardson, Jason 0 -4 4
F Fizer, Marcus 0 -3 3
F Jamison, Antawn 0 -3 3
F Harrington, Al 0 -1 1
C Divac, Vlade 0 -1 1
F Bell, Raja 0 -1 1
G Johnson, Joe 0 -1 1
C Stojakovic, Predra 0 -1 1
F Peterson, Morris 0 -1 1
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| | | 61 | Kirk
ID: 4757111
Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 14:57
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I like the simultaneous movement of all the Turkoglu owners. No one owner kept him. I don't know that I had him at all so far, maybe first 2 or 3 weeks, but don't think so.
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| | | 62 | Kirk
ID: 4757111
Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 14:58
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Guru, wouldn't this game be interesting if it had price movement also?
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| | | 63 | KevinL
Donor
ID: 10417811
Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 10:16
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This is not a strategy post, but I just have to say, I got my baseball prize (cards) yesterday and it is better than Christmas! Opening a package and finding it stacked with nice cards of your favorite players, how cool! Thanks "The Commish" and PSC!
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| | | 64 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 15:06
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I also received my baseball prizes today. I won the free game, and as I recall, my prize packages were to have a total value of over $1000.
Very neat stuff!
1. Subway Series 2000 plaque, with an 8x10 photo collage of some Yankees and Mets
2. Framed autographed photo of Kobe Bryant (Yeah, I know it's not baseball, but Chris asked me if it was OK to mix sports.)
3. 8x10 autographed photo of Bob Feller
4. 8x10 autographed photo of Bill Freehan
125 baseball cards, ranging in value from $.50 to $150. Top valued card is a Mark McGwire 1984 USA Baseball Team card (Topps). Other notable cards include Vlad Guerrero 2nd year card (1997 Fleer Showcase), C.C. Sabathia rookie card (Bowman Chrome) , Vlad Guerrero "top prospect" card (1995, Upper Deck), and an Ozzie Smith Padres card (Topps Archive Reserve reprint of 1976 card - not worth much, but cool timing nevertheless).
Thanks, Chris.
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| | | 65 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 15, 2002, 09:08
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Trade recap - free game - freeze of 1/14:
Trades # teams
None 6 (!)
5 37
6 1 (KTxOwNz)
7 2 (HOOPDREAMZ, Shark)
9 1 (coldwater coyotes)
11 2 (Logan_Knicks, Logan_Knicks1)
13 1 (Logan_Wildcats)
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| | | 66 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 15, 2002, 09:12
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Roster summary for top 50 teams on Jan. 14th:
Pos Name 14-Jan diff 7-Jan
G Tinsley, Jamaal 50 0 50
C Gasol, Pau 49 0 49
F Jones, Jumaine 41 -2 43
F Duncan, Tim 41 30 11
C MacCulloch, Todd 39 0 39
C Kirilenko, Andrei 36 11 25
F Nowitzki, Dirk 35 34 1
G Redd, Michael 34 -1 35
F Walker, Samaki 26 0 26
G Nash, Steve 24 21 3
G Anthony, Greg 21 -3 24
F Pierce, Paul 20 -17 37
F Nailon, Lee 19 -1 20
F Coleman, Derrick 19 1 18
G Parker, Tony 18 5 13
G Person, Wesley 17 -5 22
G Kidd, Jason 17 15 2
G Billups, Chauncey 16 2 14
F O'Neal, Jermaine 16 15 1
G Hassell, Trenton 15 -7 22
G Williams, Jason 15 0 15
F Najera, Eduardo 14 7 7
F Garnett, Kevin 13 -5 18
G Williams, Alvin 13 6 7
F Carter, Vince 13 6 7
F Malone, Karl 13 13 0
G Richardson, Quenti 11 -11 22
C Haywood, Brendan 11 -1 12
F Walker, Antoine 10 -6 16
F Miller, Mike 10 -1 11
G Anderson, Kenny 10 0 10
F LaFrentz, Raef 9 0 9
F Griffin, Eddie 9 5 4
F Thomas, Kenny 9 8 1
C Olowokandi, Michae 8 -7 15
G Bryant, Kobe 8 -4 12
G Francis, Steve 8 8 0
C Nesterovic, Radosl 7 -1 8
F Swift, Stromile 7 0 7
F Posey, James 7 2 5
G Jefferson, Richard 7 3 4
G Cassell, Sam 7 4 3
C Collins, Jason 7 4 3
G Kittles, Kerry 7 5 2
F Padgett, Scott 7 7 0
G Stoudamire, Damon 6 -19 25
F Szczerbiak, Wally 6 -5 11
G Crotty, John 6 4 2
G Miller, Andre 5 -21 26
C Clark, Keon 5 -1 6
F Battier, Shane 5 0 5
G Allen, Ray 5 5 0
C Rebraca, Zeljko 4 -1 5
C Miller, Brad 4 0 4
G Van Exel, Nick 4 4 0
F Brand, Elton 3 -39 42
G Terry, Jason 3 -3 6
G McInnis, Jeff 3 -2 5
G Norris, Moochie 3 0 3
F Harrington, Al 3 3 0
C Wallace, Rasheed 2 -21 23
G Hudson, Troy 2 -1 3
G Torres, Oscar 2 0 2
F Long, Art 2 0 2
F Fortson, Danny 2 1 1
F Martin, Kenyon 2 1 1
G Lue, Tyronn 2 1 1
G Griffin, Adrian 2 2 0
F Miles, Darius 1 -11 12
G Davis, Baron 1 -5 6
F Marshall, Donyell 1 -1 2
F Mason, Desmond 1 -1 2
G Jordan, Michael 1 -1 2
F Williamson, Corlis 1 -1 2
F Van Horn, Keith 1 0 1
F Mohammed, Nazr 1 0 1
F Horry, Robert 1 0 1
G Stevenson, DeShawn 1 0 1
F Murray, Lamond 1 0 1
G Barry, Jon 1 0 1
F Harpring, Matt 1 0 1
F Wallace, Ben 1 0 1
G Wells, Bonzi 1 0 1
F Patterson, Ruben 1 0 1
G Augmon, Stacey 1 0 1
G Ollie, Kevin 1 0 1
G Johnson, Avery 1 0 1
C Olajuwon, Hakeem 1 1 0
G Hart, Jason 1 1 0
C Mourning, Alonzo 1 1 0
C Robinson, David 1 1 0
F Massenburg, Tony 1 1 0
G Martin, Darrick 1 1 0
G Strickland, Rod 1 1 0
F Odom, Lamar 0 -15 15
F Trent, Gary 0 -8 8
F Pippen, Scottie 0 -4 4
C O'Neal, Shaquille 0 -1 1
G McKie, Aaron 0 -1 1
G Maggette, Corey 0 -1 1
G Mercer, Ron 0 -1 1
F Davis, Dale 0 -1 1
C Stewart, Michael 0 -1 1
F Davis, Ricky 0 -1 1
G Artest, Ron 0 -1 1
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| | | 67 | Pistol Pete
ID: 3710531014
Tue, Jan 15, 2002, 09:19
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LOL. I finally remebered to make trades in the PSC game yesterday. First time in a month. : )
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| | | 68 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 15, 2002, 09:44
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34 teams got Dirked around already.
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| | | 69 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Wed, Jan 16, 2002, 01:08
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Guru.... there must be a mistake in your program beacuse I only made 5 trades on my KTxOwNz team... just to let you know... I just doubled checked too
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| | | 70 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Jan 16, 2002, 09:39
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KtxGod - Here are the 6 moves I found for that team:
Before => After
MacCulloch => Rebraca
Brand => Duncan
Hassell => Crotty
Kobe => Nash
B. Davis => Kidd
R. Wallace => Nowitzki
Curiously, I have that team down for only 4 trades in the prior week. Perhaps there was a system glitch at PSC and one of last week's trades wasn't correctly reported when I did last week's update? Was one of these trades actually done the week before?
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| | | 71 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Wed, Jan 16, 2002, 10:12
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yea the rebraca trade was the previous week
I doubled check with my "team email updates" and also emailed te guys at PSC about it. I used 5 trades each week.
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| | | 72 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Wed, Jan 16, 2002, 10:13
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how dare you think i would be an idiot trading TMacII to Rebraca this week =)
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| | | 73 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Jan 16, 2002, 10:47
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Very bizarre, because when I accessed your team on the morning of 1/14 (2 days ago), TMac2 was still listed in that slot. Are you sure your score for last week was accurate? Your team page showed 1976 points last week, which was consistent with TMac2, rather than Rebraca.
On the other hand, since TMac2 outpointed Rebraca by 24 points last week, maybe you should let sleeping dogs lie...
Nice trade, BTW!
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| | | 74 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Wed, Jan 16, 2002, 14:30
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Shhh haha
i dont think 24 points would make that big of a deal anyways....
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| | | 75 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 01:46
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wow... im glad to say that i got nazr mohamed on my teams this week =)
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| | | 76 | DanO
ID: 129552716
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 17:15
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Hey does PSCHALLENGE give any kind of prize to the high score each week, or just to the 6 week "WINDSPRINT" winners, or what?
I finally got it all together for a week with "DANO KNOWS HOOPS" and led the world last week. Of course, I still trail ROTOGURU and HOOPDREAMZ by a thousand points each, but at least I made a dent in their leads this week...
ROTOGURU - I really appreciate your weekly player summary of the top50 teams. THANKS!!! And I love the message boards - I don't write much but I read a ton!
DanO
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| | | 77 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 17:22
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Prizes
Looks like you get a $25 prize pack. Congrats.
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| | | 78 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 17:29
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Here's the latest weekly summary of trades for the week 1/21-27:
Trades # teams
None 6 (!) - perhaps the early freeze once again took its toll
2 1
4 4
5 33
6 3 (Coldwater coyotes and the two lower ranked Logan teams)
7 1 (shark - ranked #45)
8 1 (HOOPDREAMZ)
10 1 (Logan_Knicks)
DanO, your two teams each showed up with 4 trades apiece. Is that correct? If so, could you not find anything better to do with that last trade?
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| | | 79 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 17:32
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Roster summary for top 50 teams on Jan. 21st:
Pos Name 21-Jan diff 14-Jan
C Gasol, Pau 50 1 49
C Kirilenko, Andrei 45 8 37
G Tinsley, Jamaal 42 -7 49
G Redd, Michael 42 5 37
F Duncan, Tim 40 -1 41
C MacCulloch, Todd 37 -3 40
F Nowitzki, Dirk 33 -4 37
F Walker, Samaki 33 3 30
F Jones, Jumaine 32 -9 41
F Garnett, Kevin 32 16 16
F Pierce, Paul 26 6 20
F Nailon, Lee 25 6 19
G Nash, Steve 24 -1 25
F Mohammed, Nazr 23 22 1
C Haywood, Brendan 21 9 12
G Griffin, Adrian 19 17 2
G Billups, Chauncey 18 1 17
G Williams, Jason 17 1 16
G Terry, Jason 17 14 3
G Anderson, Kenny 14 5 9
F Walker, Antoine 13 2 11
F Griffin, Eddie 13 3 10
G Kidd, Jason 12 -6 18
G Richardson, Quenti 12 -1 13
F Malone, Karl 12 0 12
F Szczerbiak, Wally 12 6 6
G Anthony, Greg 11 -8 19
G Smith, Charles 11 11 0
F Carter, Vince 10 -4 14
G Bryant, Kobe 10 2 8
G Williams, Alvin 9 -4 13
F Thomas, Kenny 9 0 9
F Swift, Stromile 9 4 5
F Padgett, Scott 8 0 8
F Webber, Chris 8 8 0
G Person, Wesley 7 -10 17
G Hassell, Trenton 7 -9 16
C Olowokandi, Michae 7 -2 9
G Cassell, Sam 7 0 7
G Kittles, Kerry 7 0 7
G Lue, Tyronn 6 4 2
G George, Devean 6 6 0
F Collins, Jarron 6 6 0
F Najera, Eduardo 5 -8 13
G Jefferson, Richard 5 -2 7
G Norris, Moochie 5 2 3
C Nesterovic, Radosl 4 -2 6
G Allen, Ray 4 -2 6
F Long, Art 4 2 2
G Davis, Baron 4 3 1
G Stevenson, DeShawn 4 3 1
F Coleman, Derrick 3 -14 17
G Parker, Tony 3 -13 16
F Miller, Mike 3 -5 8
C Collins, Jason 3 -5 8
G Crotty, John 3 -3 6
G Turkoglu, Hidayet 3 3 0
G Buford, Rodney 3 3 0
F Posey, James 2 -5 7
G Miller, Andre 2 -3 5
C Clark, Keon 2 -2 4
F Brand, Elton 2 -2 4
G Hudson, Troy 2 -1 3
F Mason, Desmond 2 1 1
G Iverson, Allen 2 2 0
G Lewis, Rashard 2 2 0
F Foster, Jeff 2 2 0
F O'Neal, Jermaine 1 -13 14
F LaFrentz, Raef 1 -8 9
G Francis, Steve 1 -6 7
F Battier, Shane 1 -5 6
C Miller, Brad 1 -2 3
F Harrington, Al 1 -2 3
G Torres, Oscar 1 -1 2
F Fortson, Danny 1 -1 2
F Miles, Darius 1 0 1
F Marshall, Donyell 1 0 1
F Van Horn, Keith 1 0 1
F Murray, Lamond 1 0 1
F Harpring, Matt 1 0 1
G Ollie, Kevin 1 0 1
G Strickland, Rod 1 0 1
C O'Neal, Shaquille 1 1 0
C Stojakovic, Predra 1 1 0
G Johnson, DerMarr 1 1 0
G Payton, Gary 1 1 0
G Jones, Eddie 1 1 0
F Fotsis, Antonis 1 1 0
F Thomas, Tim 1 1 0
G Daniels, Antonio 1 1 0
F Abdur-Rahim, Share 1 1 0
G Stoudamire, Damon 0 -6 6
C Rebraca, Zeljko 0 -4 4
G Van Exel, Nick 0 -4 4
G McInnis, Jeff 0 -1 1
C Wallace, Rasheed 0 -1 1
F Martin, Kenyon 0 -1 1
F Williamson, Corlis 0 -1 1
F Wallace, Ben 0 -1 1
F Patterson, Ruben 0 -1 1
G Augmon, Stacey 0 -1 1
G Johnson, Avery 0 -1 1
C Olajuwon, Hakeem 0 -1 1
G Martin, Darrick 0 -1 1
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| | | 80 | coldwater coyotes
Leader
ID: 330491818
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 17:34
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Buying one extra trade has not helped me!!
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| | | 81 | Kirk
ID: 4757111
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 17:40
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Well, I'm the one with Jermaine O'Neal. I was in NH from last Sunday to Wednesday night, left Thursday for Vegas and did not return until Monday at 6 AM. All along figuring I had until 6:00 Central time to make changes. Got up at Noon Monday and remembered that they had games on MLK Day early. Logged on at 12:10 PM Central time to find out the deadline was 10 minutes earlier. Long story short, I got the shaft this time. Hoping it doesn't hurt me terribly. Only lost 2 spots with him injured last week, probably if lucky lose about 6-10 which would still keep me in the top 50 and hopefully still at top of my division (leading by 650+).
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| | | 82 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 17:41
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I've noticed. Frankly, I haven't identified any team which has benefitted greatly from the extra trade purchases.
But then, I don't know how those teams would be doing if they only used 5 trades.
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| | | 83 | splat
ID: 3110381513
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 17:43
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This weeks going to hurt - Kenny Thomas gone for the rest of the week and Abdur-Rahim gone helping alhtoughs with Mohammed. Yuck....
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| | | 84 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 19:17
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Splat sorry buddy... I bet while you were making that comment, you were making reference to my Our teams.
You having Kenny thomas, me havinr Nazr.
Dont worry.... Kenny is a cheapie...I lost Francis and Jermaine last week for like 5 games combined =(
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| | | 85 | biliruben
Sustainer
ID: 3502218
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 21:11
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I think allowing 1 or 2 in-week substitutions would make the game's competition based more on skill and force some interesting choices along the way - do you swap out Kenny Thomas immediately, or hold your trade in case Garnett goes down?
Of course, this would add more than a weekly cycle of work for Chris et al, so I won't hold my breath.
It's just frustrating that injuries, and the capricious timing of them, have such a drastic influence on your performance. How the players do is almost secondary, as long as the are just on the court!
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| | | 86 | KTxGOD
ID: 511113242
Tue, Jan 22, 2002, 21:33
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unless of course you had adrian griffin that one week when he got -2 total for the week =(
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| | | 87 | DanO
ID: 129552716
Wed, Jan 23, 2002, 00:19
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GURU - Yeah, I only traded 4 players on each team. The teams are similar, but have a few differences. I didn't use the last trade on either team because I liked who I had for the week after the four trades... I pretty much keep most of my players based upon pts/$ over the long haul, and trade expensive people weekly based upon the next 7 or 14 days of schedule. And the high $ guys I traded for last week mostly stayed healthy and had 4 games a week for a couple weeks in a row, so I kept them...
Which means that probably all of them will sprain ankles or get ejected or hit by meteors. But this is FUN, and now I'm really hooked on ESPNnews (like I was only moderately hooked before) and actually read the box scores for all the games and compute TSN and PSchallenge points in my head as game stats flash across the bottom of the screen on TV. I may need a 12 step program when hoops is over....
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| | | 88 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Jan 24, 2002, 10:36
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Lately, I've been primarly tracking my team against HOOPDREAMZ. Each week, I determine which players are different between our teams, and follow their progress separately.
Lately, there have only been about 5 differences, and most are lower priced players (the aggregate cost of those five is about $14m this week). Here is the competition for this week:
My "difference" team:
Jumaine Jones
Jarron Collins
Scott Padgett
Paul Pierce
Rodney Buford
His team:
Lee Nailon
Desmond Mason
Chauncey Billups
Moochie Norris
Nazr Mohammed
When you look at our rosters in total, these players don't look like the critical ones. But when you get down to one-and-one competition, they are the only players that matter (for this week, at least). All of the Garnetts, Duncans, Malones, Nowitzkis, etc. cancel out.
It certainly puts a different perspective on the game. Clearly, you've got to maintain the diligence and flexibility to keep the proper studs flowing through at the proper times. But given that we seem to be approaching that aspect similarly, the title may ultimately be decided by the selection of cheapies.
Of course, I'm not dismissing the possibility that some of the other teams are also in contention. The "eastsiders" team has consistently been tracking us, and could easily overtake us with a good week. "Logan Knicks" has shown a persistent willingness to buy extra trades, and someday that might actually translate into enough extra points. And the next group of teams aren't out of it either. But given my limited attention span, my primary focus has been on the closest contender.
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| | | 89 | KTxGOD
ID: 560462423
Mon, Jan 28, 2002, 21:04
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How many being burned by Jason WIlliams? Both my teams have him....
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