| Posted by: YOUNGBUCK
- [17942818] Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 19:20
friday's game sonics vs. the sixers was the best game I went too, not becuase I got a bunch of autographs but how I stole a official NBA Game Ball.
this is how the it went, about a hour and half before the game fans can come and and sit courtside and watch the players warm up before the game so I dicided to come down and watch the 76'ers warm up. as the players shot the some balls found there way too the crowd, and the fans threw them back. I said too my self if a ball comes too me I aint giving it back. so about 5min later a ball that Iverson shoots comes and hits me right in the hand, but the ball boy had seen the ball come to the crowd so he walked over too me and took it from me. I was like Damn!!! I thought that was my only chance but it wasn't. A couple minuets later another ball came rolling towards me, but before anyone could see it I quickly picked it up and rolled it up in my jacket. then a sat there like nothing had happend watched for about 15 more minuets then walked up too my seat with the ball rapped in my jacket under my arm, sat in my seat and watched the game then whent home with a OFFICIAL NBA BASKETBALL!!! |
| 1 | Micheal
ID: 5815241 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 19:37
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That's pretty cool. Wish I could get one.
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| 2 | jedman Sustainer
ID: 40746414 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 19:39
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And your proud of that? Does the word thief mean anything? What about the ball boy who maybe is accountable for all the balls after the shoot around ends and he comes up one short? I wouldn't be so proud of your accomplishment.
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| 3 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 17942818 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 19:41
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ease up jedman, the ball boys are not accountable my friend used to ball boy, and one ball is gonna hurt. is it?
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| 4 | Ender
ID: 13443221 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 19:44
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This would have been easier and much more ethical.
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| 5 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 19:44
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One ball? One extra trade? Let's see how many whiners there are about this one.
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| 6 | jedman Sustainer
ID: 40746414 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 19:45
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What gave you the right to steal that ball? I'm looking at it on a larger scale than one ball. No matter how you want to rationalize, you stole something that wasn't yours. Believe me, the next time will be easier and the next and the next. I'm just trying to get you to think about it a little bit. End of my advice and preaching. I think it was wrong.
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| 7 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 17942818 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 19:47
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ender I would rather have a official nba basketball than that ball. that ball is a piece of crap. plus a official nba ball is worth about 100+ dollars.
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| 8 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 17942818 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 19:49
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it's not like i stole the ball from a little kid!!! and you would have done it also if you had the chance don't say you woulden't.
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| 9 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 19:51
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Be careful YOUNGBUCK, the NBA missing practice ball police might be monitoring these transmissions.
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| 10 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 17942818 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 19:51
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ha ha ha!!!
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| 11 | Memphis Fan
ID: 341015260 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:04
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I think its cool, good for you.
Ive often "stolen" hockey pucks and baseballs but never a basketball!
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| 12 | Rand al'Thor
ID: 364152215 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:12
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I think the NBA should give every one of us a ball now. It is the only fair thing to do.
YOUNGBUCK, there is a very small part of me that thinks, 'Naughty, naughty, young man, you should be ashamed of yourself!' But, for the most part, the former fun-loving Kid in me thinks, 'AWESOME, dude, great score!'
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| 13 | Twarpy Leader
ID: 461116111 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:15
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Stolen hockey pucks and baseballs that they don't expect for you to give back?
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| 14 | Memphis Fan
ID: 341015260 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:19
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Well, if you considering prying them from the guy next to you, or picking them off the field.. i guess they're stolen. =) I figure we're even after the ticket prices i pay.
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| 15 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor
ID: 266182910 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:26
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"...and you would have done it also if you had the chance don't say you woulden't." Ummmm...no, I wouldn't. You shouldn't try to rationalize your actions by assuming that "everyone else" would do the same. It's like seeing someone drop a $100 bill out of their pocket while digging for their keys. Not everyone is going to pick it up and run. There actually are people who would pick it up and give it back to the person.
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| 16 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:29
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Big deal he stole a ball, I would have done the same thing. I mean with the amount of money the owners have, they can have 100 balls stolen from them and still dont give a damn. He took it and its not like it hurt anybody.
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| 17 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:29
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I paid a 10 dollar ticket and got a 100 dollar ball that's about even!!!
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| 18 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:31
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that is totally differnet KKB!!! I would give the person his 100bill back also. but what if that person is bill gates?
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| 19 | azdbacker Donor
ID: 1832261 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:32
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Pretty sad when people are proud enough about stealing to post it for everyone to see. I never thought breaking a commandment was something to be proud of.
That's kinda like me cheating on my wife, and posting a thread the next day about the hottie I was with last night. Like "I committed Adultery with a Suns' Cheerleader!!" And then when people called me on it, I try to rationalize it by saying "Well, I've never had a cheerleader before" or "The tickets were so expensive, I felt I deserved more for my money".
Pathetic.
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| 21 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:35
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Big fvcken deal, he stole a ball from a rich guy, you can say anything you want to like it was like stealing from a kid or cheating on ur wife or even taking candy from a baby and that makes it sound bad but give the guy a brake, he loves b-ball and he went to watch and game and took a basketball from this billionaire, who gives a damn the guy is rich and it didnt harm anybody so thats y n my opinion I think that it's ok and I think that the ppl who make a big deal out of this are pathetic.
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| 22 | azdbacker Donor
ID: 1832261 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:36
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So now you think it's OK to steal, as long as it's from the rich? If it was Bill Gates' it belongs to Bill Gates and the right thing to do would be to give it to him. Same with the NBA, same with anything. And I will continue to counter you as long as you try to defend stealing. It's not right, ever.
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| 23 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:40
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Ok aznbacker what if u stole some bread for ur poor starving family, ur telling me that it's not ok then b/c u just stated that stealing is never right (not even if it's the olny way to survive)
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| 24 | Dan Donor
ID: 41838303 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:42
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NBA owners may be rich, and you may hate them. But they are in the business to make money. And believe it or not they have to spend money to replace the balls that you stole (trust me you aren't the only smartass who wouldve done this). And it isnt just balls Im sure. Whenever you steal something, the owners have to pay to replace it, and trust me they don't want it coming out of their pocket. So what do they do? They could raise ticket prices, raise merchandise etc... I know a basketball may be a small item, and it doesn't seem like much. But trust me it all adds up in the end, and believe it or not it is us who will suffer in the end! ok I think thats all I have to say, hope it makes some sense. ;-)
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| 25 | azdbacker Donor
ID: 1832261 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:44
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Not only would I tell you that it's never right, Rafi, but I would go one farther by saying it is people that think it's OK to steal that find themselves in the position of thinking they need to. I, for one, can gaurantee you that I will never need to steal food because the lifestyle that I lead is incapable of putting me in that situation.
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| 26 | booth
ID: 1524108 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:46
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i cant possibly understand how the many intelligent ppl at this site dont see that stealing from the white man is ok..but nevertheless...i prolly wouldn't have done it...cuz things like that eventually add up to the fans not being able to come on court and throw the balls back
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| 27 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:46
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azdbacker, come on now your blowing this way out of proportion, you can't compare this with cheating on your wife! see when cheat on your wife you hurt some one and that is your wife, and when I stole that basketball I didn't hurt anyone. THAT'S THE FREAKIN' DIFFERENCE.
by the way stop PREACHING!!!
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| 28 | Hillbilly Delight
ID: 3011462420 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:52
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Rafi,
Just b/c he stole from the "rich" doesn't make it ok. I don't care one way or the other b/c I am not here to judge, but whether you steal from a rich person or a poor person, it is stealing. I don't think this poster stole the bball to feed his starving family. If your family was starving, it wouldn't be right to steal from the poor or the rich. God would be there to help.
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| 29 | azdbacker Donor
ID: 1832261 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:52
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So, some commandments are more important than others?
I will stop preaching when you and those of your mindset stop giving me reason to preach. Until then, I will confront your fallacies with truth.
booth, your first sentence is quite possibly the most ignorant thing I have ever read.
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| 30 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:53
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You got the not hurtng anyone part from me youngbuck. But the point that I was trying to make to azn is that if u were poor and didnt live a richlifestyle then u would probably steal n order for ur family to survive. It may not be right but it's something that people just have a tendancy to do.
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| 31 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 258492618 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:58
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Pathetic, I agree.
Nice try at rationalizing. Maybe the reason that you are doing it so loudly is that the fact that we don't agree with you is hitting close to home. Now get over it.
pd
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| 32 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:59
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Who is sperm dude talking to.
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| 34 | joe suspect Donor
ID: 441143311 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:59
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Youngbuck, just be prepared for Karmic Justice. Something will be taken away from you very soon.
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| 35 | Dan Donor
ID: 41838303 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 20:59
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If you are poor, there are plenty of ways to get food to survive. Getting a job may be one would you not say? Stealing from those who work their arses off because you do not feel like it, it is just not right, I am sorry, even if it is to survive. We are all given a fairly equal chance in life, and it is how you use that chance, that will predict your outcome. Wasting plenty of opportunites that you are given, does not give you the right to steal, no matter what!!!
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| 36 | Dave R Leader
ID: 147341310 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:03
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This thread is getting out of hand, bottom line is that YOUNGBUCK took something that didn't belong to him. Whether from a rich NBA team, or someone less fortunate, it's wrong. How would any of you feel if you had something worth $100 and someone took it from you. Geez, guys grow up.
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| 37 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:05
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Dan I honestly totally...... dont agree with u (not that strongly) but here's why. You say that everyone gets an equal chance in life well thats b.s, so ppl are raised in rich families and some ppl are raised on the streets. You know how u say that that person should find a job well one day I told my bro the same thing b/c we were talking bout bums on the streets and I told him that they should just take the money that they get from ppl and buy a nice suit or jeans or whatever and go find a job. But my bro said that places dont hire u if u dont have a phone #. I remember he onnce kinda ran away from home and he had no place to live so he went looking for a job and not one si ngle place would hire him unless he had a phone number. My 2 cents.
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| 38 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 258492618 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:05
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Who do you think, Rafi?
pd
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| 39 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:07
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Sperm Dude I just said pathetic b/c azn used pathetic in one f his last posts and I just felt like using his line to show how the other person felt.
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| 40 | Dan Donor
ID: 41838303 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:07
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Do governments not have programs that help people get back on their feet!?? Im pretty sure, all they have to do is show some effort, and try and they can get back on their feet!
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| 41 | Peter N. Donor
ID: 2011382318 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:09
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YOUNGBUCK, you just made yourself look like an idiot with this post. Congradulations
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| 42 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:14
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peter
I really don't give a sh!t about what you guys think about me haven't you noticed? remember I posted about how me and gary payton got into it after I said he sucked? and then everyone on the boards ripped me apart? iam justing posting just for the hell of it just too tell a story.
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| 44 | azdbacker Donor
ID: 1832261 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:15
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I was hired 3 different times during my college days (and shortly thereafter) w/o a phone number, Rafi. If you want to learn how to not be successful, talk to those that believe they can't be. People who fail always believe they have been cheated or they never had a fair chance. The fact is, we ALL have a chance, as long as we choose to do what is necessary to make it happen.
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| 45 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 258492618 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:17
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Well, it's Perm Dude, of course. It's probably not wise to intentionally try to rile a moderator by using a somewhat insulting handle.
And Youngbuck's justifications of his theft were pathetic.
Clearer?
pd
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| 46 | Dan Donor
ID: 41838303 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:17
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Amen to that azd.
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| 47 | Easily
ID: 3211432018 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:28
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Ease up on the guy man, think about it, its the same if a baseball gets hit into the stands and a 5-year old kid makes a great catch and he takes it home. Who cares, what i say to YOUNGBUCK is "COME UP."
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| 48 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:30
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Ok azn u said that everybody has an equal chance and all that bs but what if ur born on the streets with a mental or physical illness, then what (I've seen this in a few countries and the ppl with phyical problems cant work and the government doesnt give them any money so please dont tell me that everybody has equality and this and that. Not everybody is as lucky as you.
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| 50 | Twarpy Leader
ID: 461116111 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:35
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Easily and others: I don't think everyone is that upset about the fact that YOUNGBUCK "stole" the ball, I'm sure all of us have done something that at least parallels that.
It's the fact though that he hypes it up as being a great feat, and the goes and rationalizes what he did by saying that he stole from someone rich and therefore that is some sort of justice?
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| 51 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:37
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Well in some people's views it is justice.
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| 52 | rockafellerskank Donor
ID: 359283123 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:40
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Reminds me of the story of the one of a kind 100 point game Wilt basketball that was auctioned off for over $500,000. The sale was later cancelled becuse the thief couldn't authenticate he was a thief.
Karma?
" The basketball was consigned to Leland's by Kerry Ryman, who was 14 years old when he watched Chamberlain's Philadelphia Warriors defeat the New York Knicks 169-147 in the Hershey Arena. (The Warriors played several home games a year in Hershey.)
According to Ryman, he literally stole the ball. As he explained in the Leland's catalog, "I got close to Wilt and shook hands with him. Then the referee tossed the ball to Wilt, and Wilt bounced it on the floor. Just once, I think. I grabbed the ball and went up the steps and out the door. I don't remember what I was thinking."
rfs
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| 54 | Twarpy Leader
ID: 461116111 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:40
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So Rafi what you are saying is that someone can work hard and earn a lot of money, but that should be held against them?
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| 56 | Hillbilly Delight
ID: 3011462420 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:41
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Rafi,
How is stealing from the rich rationalized as justice?
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| 57 | Shelby-villian
ID: 261146232 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:41
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I think I stand in the middle on this one. Azd, you say all commandments are equal, etc. etc. But the fact of the matter is that certain wrongs hold more weight than others. Murder is much more serious than a white lie for example.
I understand the argument that by the Christian bible all sins are as bad as another but we are not trying to exert your beliefs on Youngbuck. Yes, he did something wrong but he's just an immature kid. "Boys will be boys" and all that. No need to flame him for something that really isn't that bad.
To Youngbuck: It might seem fun to you but if it gets people you don't even know like azd upset about a "harmless" crime, maybe you should think about how your actions affect others.
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| 58 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:46
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Hilbilly for some people it is justice. I didnt mean for myself but there are a few ppl I dont know that if they stole from a rich guy such as bill gates who skeamed his way to the top and they stole something from him they might feel that it is justice. Maybe a company that gates tricked and now if they steal something valuable they might fell like they got what they deserved and that justice was paid.
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| 59 | azdbacker Donor
ID: 1832261 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:48
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Re-read what I wrote, Rafi. I didn't say everyone had an equal chance. I said that everyone has at least A chance. (ie, one or more) Some people must overcome more to seize their chance, but the chance is there.
Thankfully, not everyone is born into equal circumstances - that would be pretty boring. But we do all have the opportunity to achieve what we want to if we walk and believe correctly.
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| 60 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:50
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azn I dont think I read what you improperly. I mean how does a person who is born retarded (couldnt think of another word) and his mother leaves him on the streets still have a chance?
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| 61 | azdbacker Donor
ID: 1832261 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:55
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Shelby - I hear you. I don't mean to say that all commandments are equal, just that you should try as hard not to break one as you should another. Why do either?
I agree with you about 'boys will be boys' also. That's not an excuse, it's just a fact. But those boys that are told the truth of why what they did was wrong, are more likely to feel sorry about what they did and try not to do it anymore. That's the way a youngster (or anyone) learns right from wrong.
Letting the post stand without trying to correct the errant behavior gives the impression that there is nothing wrong with it, which makes much greater the likelihood of a person repeating it and increasing on it.
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| 62 | KnicksFan Donor
ID: 131102221 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 21:57
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Rafi, one way to lose credibility for your argument is to repeatedly and intentionally misspell "azdbacker" and "Perm Dude".
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| 63 | azdbacker Donor
ID: 1832261 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:00
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Rafi, what does that have to do with any of us? Some people, to put it bluntly, are born with 'demons'. Obviously, you were not. Why look for reasons to fail and err that don't apply to you? That's my quick answer.
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| 64 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:00
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Boys will be boys is not an excuse and I think just because he's a boy doesnt mean the punishment should be any less if there was one. I mean there's boyz that are killing other ppl and judges dont lock that boy up for life b/c he's a boy and he can make a mistake and boys will be boys and all of that crap. Unless the boy is like I dunno 8 or under and doesnt really know what he's doing then I understand if the boy was treated less harshly but I dont like the term boys will be boys because its an excuse for some peoples mistakes.
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| 65 | Mighty Cod
ID: 01021713 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:01
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So the kid took a ball. Big deal. Maybe if NBA arena's didn't charge $4 for a lousy coke, $10 for parking, and teams didn't force us to buy ticket packages that include teams we don't want to see, with players that think fans are chumps (Portland Blazers SI article), and price out the regular guy who doesn't get free corporate ducats so can't afford to take his kid to a game I'd have some sympathy for David Stern. But I don't. Enjoy your ball kid, but don't take this as a license to boost my mountain bike when I leave it out in front of 7-11 for 5 minutes next time I go in to buy a grape squishy.
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| 66 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:03
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Knicks fan without spelling backer and just going with a short term azn name is a way for me to lose credibility, ok whatever u say. Aznbacker (now I'm not losing credibility b/c I'm spelling his full name) you stated that everyone has an equal opportunity in life and I just wanted to tell you that not everybody has an equal chance, thats why UI talked about other people's disabilities.
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| 67 | Dan Donor
ID: 41838303 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:05
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ummm Rafi its actually, azdbacker...But that is beside the point, Im sorry but you just not going to win this one.
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| 68 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor
ID: 266182910 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:06
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Rafi, a few points: "He took it and its not like it hurt anybody." Are you 100% certain that the ball boys don't have to pay for balls that come up missing? If not, then you can't say nobody got hurt. "what if u stole some bread for ur poor starving family, ur telling me that it's not ok then b/c u just stated that stealing is never right (not even if it's the olny way to survive)" Exactly. It's never ok to steal. If you're in a bad enough situation, there are food shelters in most every city. If your city doesn't have one, go to one that does. Your talking about sustaining life and food shelters will help you do that, so there's no need to steal. "[Stealing] may not be right but it's something that people just have a tendancy to do." Sorry, but only thiefs have this tendancy. "But my bro said that places dont hire u if u dont have a phone #" There's this great new invention called a pay phone. They all have their own number. You put the pay phone number down on the application and you camp out until you get the call. Better yet, don't wait for the potential employer to call you, call them first. Then again, maybe it's that lack of initiative that's the problem in the first place. "Ok azn u said that everybody has an equal chance and all that bs but what if ur born on the streets with a mental or physical illness," Well, you just described my aunt (mental) and my uncle (physical). They don't live in a posh house, but they get by on the little money and food they get from the government. But you know what, they're not thiefs. They wouldn't even think about it. Not even if they were starving. That's just the kind of people they are. They have too much pride in themselves and their family. "bill gates who skeamed his way to the top" Schemed his way to the top or earned his way to the top? Gates took an idea and built upon it. He head's up one of the most recognizable companies around. Oh yeah, he also gives millions upon millions of dollars to inner-city programs to help under-priveledged children. A real bastard, eh? YOUNGBUCK, "but what if that person is bill gates?" So what? If I rationalize that stealing from the rich is ok, then it just shows that underneath everything, I'm nothing but a thief. That's what's wrong with a lot of people in that they think that just because someone has more money than them then it's ok to steal from them. It's not. I give the $100 bill back no matter who it is. Besides, with the way Bill Gates gives to charity, he may just take the $100 back and give me $1000 for being honest. "when I stole that basketball I didn't hurt anyone." You hurt a lot of people. Just like the people who shoplift stuff from stores and cause the price of goods to go up, you've cut the bottom line of the owner and owners will easily put that burden back on the fans rather than face it themselves. Besides, as I pointed out before, are you 100% sure that the ball boys aren't responsible for lost balls? booth, "i cant possibly understand how the many intelligent ppl at this site dont see that stealing from the white man is ok" Ever think that some of us are that white man and don't understand why some people use race as an excuse for their actions? Mighty Cod, "Maybe if NBA arena's didn't charge $4 for a lousy coke, $10 for parking, and teams didn't force us to buy ticket packages that include teams we don't want to see" That's funny. I don't recall anyone putting a gun to my head telling me I had to buy anything. If you don't like the prices you pay, don't pay them. A real quick way for prices to come down is if everyone stops paying them. You honestly think an owner is going to lower prices when he's packing the house every night? If I were an owner, I sure as hell wouldn't. Believe me that if they were only selling the first 10 rows of seats to the "elite" and the rest of the seats were empty, then prices would come down. Fast!
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| 69 | KnicksFan Donor
ID: 131102221 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:06
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Rafi, take a closer look at his handle.
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| 70 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:07
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Dan ok that's ur opinion, and I'm just stating that some people feel that it's justace to take a ball from a rich owner and I'm just trying to prove that not everybody in this world has an equal opportunity to do something with there lives. I'm not trying to prove anything, I'm just giving the facts.
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| 71 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor
ID: 266182910 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:11
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Rafi, you're not giving facts, you're giving your opinion. Make sure you have that right. But if you would like to give facts, then cite sources that specifically show that if you're born to an under-priveledged family that you have no opportunities in life and that if you're born to an over-priveledged family that you have every opportunity in life. I would be interested in seeing those facts, because I can refute them with my own personal history.
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| 72 | blade
ID: 24014618 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:13
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i don't really understand how people can find a way to justify that stealing that basketball was ok. in baseball they don't ask for the balls back if they go out of play so the fans can keep them. in basketball they want them back. taking one and being proud of it really questions what kind of morals you have if any.
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| 73 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:14
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KKB ok he gives money to charities but with the money he makes who wouldnt. And plus he skeamed and stole his way to get there. Yeah a real class act.
You actually think that bums can go to a food shelters but do u think that they would feed you enough and do you think that they would feed u for morning lunch and dinner every single day I dont think so (but I dont know much about food shelters so I wouldnt know)
And ur uncle and aunt might get some money from the government and they might not steal b/c they have too much pride but tell me what ur gonna do if u live in a country where the government doesnt give any money to the disabled oh but they shouldnt steal either b/c they have too much pride and they should just die of hunger.
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| 74 | Dave R Leader
ID: 147341310 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:15
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Rafi, everyone does not start out life on an even footing, but everyone does have the same chance to make something of themselves. Bottom line, to take something that doesn't belong to you is wrong, AND it doesn't matter who you take it from, rich or poor. How can you call it justice to steal from someone just because they're richer than you.
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| 75 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:16
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And dan it is a fact that bill gates sceamed his way to the top and it is a fact that countries such as turkey and bulgaria and others dont give money to the disablled like Canada or America. Now my friend those are facts.
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| 76 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:17
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Dave R read what I said about justice and about people being born disablled and then ask me your questions.
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| 77 | blade
ID: 24014618 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:18
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isn't the word "schemed"?
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| 78 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:19
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maybe it is, I dunno. Anywaze I g2g I have school tomorrow it has been great arguing with u all. It was one man against a whole forum and that 1 man came up on top j/k but it really felt like it.
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| 79 | Dan Donor
ID: 41838303 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:20
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Rafi like KKB said, please post sources to back up your facts. And I do not disagree with you that some countries people do not have the same opportunities as in others. But nothing is stopping them from leaving that country, or putting a little effort into it and getting the most out of what little they have...
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| 80 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor
ID: 266182910 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:24
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Rafi, "he gives money to charities but with the money he makes who wouldnt" That wasn't the question. You said it was ok to steal from him because he's rich, but the fact is that if you steal from him, you're likely stealing from the programs he donates to. So you're really stealing from under-priveledged kids. "And plus he skeamed and stole his way to get there. Yeah a real class act." I won't even get into this one because I've gone around and around on this one with many a person. The fact is that Bill Gates provided an OS (no matter how good or bad) to the public that the public accepted. If all of his success was scheming and stealing, then Steve Jobs would be just as rich and Macs would be just as popular as PC's because it would all be the same stuff, right? Wrong, it's what Gates did differently that set him apart (again, whether good or bad in terms of quality of product). "You actually think that bums can go to a food shelters but do u think that they would feed you enough and do you think that they would feed u for morning lunch and dinner every single day I dont think so" You're right, you can't because they actually expect you to try and find other sources or to attempt to find work. Geez, what a concept. "what ur gonna do if u live in a country where the government doesnt give any money to the disabled oh but they shouldnt steal either b/c they have too much pride and they should just die of hunger." Last I checked, YOUNGBUCK stole the basketball from a US-based NBA team, so what in the world does any other country have to do with this argument? Oh, right, it doesn't, but you have to find some way to make your argument valid. What about other countries who chop your hands off for stealing? Or maybe caning? If you want to introduce other countries to the argument, it's going to hurt your argument more because the US is one of the most leniant countries on stealing. Look it up.
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| 81 | KnicksFan Donor
ID: 131102221 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:24
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According to this website Turkey does indeed have laws that help disabled workers.
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| 83 | Dave R Leader
ID: 147341310 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:32
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Rafi, I didn't ask you any questions
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| 84 | Bungers
ID: 41043914 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:41
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Enjoying the banter back and forth, but what I really can't decide: Is Rafi more deserving of a handle change to Rafi Marx or to Rafi Gump or even Rafi P.Diddy? He presents equal arguments to justify any of the 3 names. Perhaps a vote?
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| 85 | Twarpy Leader
ID: 461116111 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:45
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I think he should change his name to "Raffi" the popular children's singer.
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| 86 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 258492618 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:47
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How about "Freshman?"
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| 87 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:47
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Ok I came out of bed for my last post in this thread, here I can:
First to Dan u say that mnothing is stopping those ppl from going to other countries but how r they gonna get there do u expect them to wake? They need money to do that and money is something that they dont have.
KBB: ok then steal from Gates and take his money and give it to underpriviledged kids and other charities. What if the bums are disablled and they cant work then how would they survive, ah wait you said that they must work (thats a great concept) One more thing to you, when I was speaking to azdbucker we talked from one thing to another and it got to a point where we were arguing over the fact that is every single human being born on this earth whith a chance. And I found some way to make my argument valid b/c he did the same thing when he stated that stealing a ball would be the same thing as cheating on ur wife b/c of the fact that its a sin, so maybe net time dont just jump on my back and tell azd to do the same thing.
KnicksFan I used to live in turkey and I remember talking to disablled bums on the street and they were begging for money and I told them isnt the money that they get from the government ebnough and he said that the government doesnt give money to his kind of ppl. I'm guessing ppl with his illness, but if turkey does have insurance for ppl with who r challenged there are still many countries who dont.
RFK to your first paragraph yeah thats what alot of ppl feel and maybe I feel the same way. And I doubt they will raise the ticket prices b/c one kid stole a basketball, and even if 1000 kids stole a b-ball Is till doubt that they would raise the ticket prices.
Dave R this was ur question:How can you call it justice to steal from someone just because they're richer than you.
And thats the bottom line cuz r to the afi said so.
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| 88 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:50
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Thanks to everyone for this very entertaining thread but maybe this kind of discussion would be better suited for a morality or social ethics forum. On a lighter side I sure do miss PlasmaX!
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| 89 | Twarpy Leader
ID: 461116111 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:51
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Do you expect them to wake? (No I expect them and you to goto sleep)
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| 90 | Dave R Leader
ID: 147341310 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:54
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Rafi, I'm glad you're going to bed and that this is your last post in this thread
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| 91 | Pops
ID: 29102114 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 22:58
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What's beautiful here is the irony.
People deteste making this anything but a fantasy basketball board. But when you keep posting and turn this in to the most visited thread since it's inception, your only adding fuel to the fire.
To take it to the next level, AZD I completely agree with what your saying....But YB is right, your comparing apples and oranges with your adultery comparison...you don't need to take it to that level to prove you are right.
Just as a quick aside to this...in 96 MY Astros won their first pennant in 10 years. I was one of the first 20 people to hurdle security and get on the field. People started abolishing the scoreboard in Left so I started climbing the field till I pulled down a number 1 off the board. I ran around and carried it proudly to signify exactly who WE were that night, WE were number 1.
Granted, It was a crime of pure passion, but I stole from Drayton McLane Jr.
3 years later I now pay 5x the parking in downtown houston, I've recieved 3 parking tickets just this past season attempting to find witty places to park, and I pay more taxes to the city of Houston to fund the Houston Sport Authorities financial obligation to Enron Field.
I consider my debt cleared.
Bottomline, to be so miopic about something this miniscule is ridiculous.
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| 92 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 23:04
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Pops, I agree with you 100%. This did get way out of hand & by the way I haven't seen or heard the word "miopic" used in a sentence in quite some time. :)
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| 93 | louky Sustainer
ID: 527283021 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 23:32
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Wow, just got in and read this thread. Debating the ethics of stealing, new low on the boards... can someone please start a "help me with my team thread"? All the sudden I miss those.
Rafi, good luck to you brother, you may need it.
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| 94 | MajicFaker
ID: 5811132721 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 23:35
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Stealing is stealing. It doesn't matter who the theif is or who the victim is. It is no less right or wrong if the thief is poor and the victim is rich. You can rationalize this all you want, but it doesn't change the facts.
If we all were to agree with your assumption, than as a society anyone, regardless of your station in life, would be allowed, if not encouraged to steal from those at higher station. The homeless steal from the poor, the poor steal from the working class, the working class, steals form the rich ect... and this would all be tolerated becuase those who have more deserve to have what is theirs taken form them.
Maybe Bill Gates is a theif. He is rich, but does that make it O.K. to steal from him. Your own argument aplauds Gates for getting to where he is by being a theif because he cheated his way there.
I am richer than my neighbor to the North, but poorer than my Neighbor to the South. I think my richer neighbor cheats in his business, Does that make it O.K. to steal from him? He has more money than me. He has more money than he NEEDS, and he's a crook. So using your "pathetic" excuses, I am moraly correct if not legally excused to steal from him. (If this is the case let me know becuase he has this sweet moutian bike I'd jack from him. JK)
It is exactly this line of thinking that has produced a generation in moral decay.
"It was just a basketball." "The owners are rich." That is so completely irrelevant and it is a pathetic attempt to condone and rationalize wrong behaivior.
I have lived in a foreing country for a couple of years. I worked with people who lived in dirt houses, used a hole in the yard as a toilet, with no regular source of income. I am talking about entire neighborhoods of abject poverty. And believe it or not, not all of them stole food to feed their families. In fact few if any resorted to theivery to sustain themselves. Not because of pride, but because it was wrong. See, some people actually do the right thing simply because it is right. Not because of "Christian biblical commandments" but simply because it is wrong to steal, even if your family is starving. Besides I don't see how stealing a basketball equates to stealing food for your starving family.
I can speak with some authority to all sides of this arguement. I have been employed as Private investigator for the past ten years. The Major portion of my work comes from "indigent defense" ( wich means, legal defense for those too poor to provide their own legal defense). Unfortunately, this attitude of "I am justified becuase of someone else's actions" is far too previlant in our society. The attempts to defend stealing in this thread only proves my point far better than I could ever make it. And Rafi, signing off claiming he won this argument is an exclamation point on the lack of morals in our society.
Remember, Your character is revealed by what you do when no one is looking.
Majic
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| 95 | Shelby-villian
ID: 261146232 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 23:38
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Nature Boy- I haven't seen the word "myopic" misspelled twice by two different people in quite some time. =)
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| 96 | Dave R Leader
ID: 147341310 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 23:43
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LOL , Shelby
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| 97 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 23:46
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Good catch, I thought there was something wrong with that one!
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| 98 | joe suspect Donor
ID: 441143311 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 23:51
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Hey! I think youngbuck just stole one of my trades.
That's it....I'm emailing TSN.
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| 99 | Hillbilly Delight
ID: 3011462420 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 23:51
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PlamsaX - come back please. We don't hate you man.
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| 100 | Pops
ID: 29102114 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 23:56
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Just FYI my Miopic was a take-off on Magic Johnson's late night talk show and Jim Rome's subsequent destruction of him on Rome's radio show....his whole 'Tragic the M"i"opian' bit
And I also spelled fair as "FARE" in a thread I started eirlier today. That also serves a purpose, more personal though :)....Some what summed up by my last line in that post.
But still, I bet you haven't seen 1 person substitute one vowel for another b/c of the criticism of an ill-fated tv show nearly 3 years ago either, eh? ;)
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| 101 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 00:21
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do you guys have sticks up your asses? stop being so fuc%ing up tight. damn right iam proud of stealing that basketball. I didn't post this story for you morons to get all ethical and moral. WHO cares. oh well i stole a b-ball did I hurt you.
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| 102 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 00:27
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RE post #57
shelby villian,
who the hell are you calling immature? I knew what the hell I was doing, just cause I stole a ball iam not immature. if iam immature for stealing something then everyone in this forum is immature, cause I know everyone has stole something once in their lifetime.
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| 103 | Hillbilly Delight
ID: 3011462420 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 00:29
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YOUNGBUCK,
Then why did you post the story then???
If you come here for support and help with your team, I don't think offending us (like in your last post) is the best thing you could do.
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| 104 | blade
ID: 24014618 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 00:32
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i think it's immature to post the word "immature" four times in the same post.
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| 105 | Twarpy Leader
ID: 461116111 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 00:34
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Youngbuck like I said in post 50, most people are not upset about the fact that you stole. It's the fact that you posted about it as if what you did was justified.
By posting in an open forum about such a topic you shouldn't expect everyone to be on your side, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and saying we "all have sticks up our asses" is an immature way of expressing your opinion.
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| 106 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 00:44
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#104 pretty funny - would 3 times be okay? =}
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| 107 | PGunn
ID: 2205519 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 00:44
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Youngbuck, I am LMAO over post 101. Congratulations on the ball. I don't even think you have to call it stealing, you just grabbed the ball and took it to your seat. Is that stealing? If someone would have saw you, would they have called the cops? HELL NO. All they would have done is taken the ball from you and said "nice try kid".
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| 108 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 01:00
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THANK YOU PGunn. exactley!!! I just didn't out of fun and getting a ball.
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| 109 | MyLakers
ID: 345282521 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 01:06
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your a thief, I wish you could see that if you will be dishonest in small things, no one can expect you to be honest in the big ones. I can see you are proud and I am saddened by the obvious loss of integrity in our peoples.
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| 110 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 01:23
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Someone pass me a tissue please
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| 111 | KnicksFan Donor
ID: 131102221 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 03:03
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Youngbuck, you're right. You did not post this story for "morons to get all ethical and moral". You posted it to receive high fives and praise and to show how cool you are. Unfortunately, you did not get the response you wanted and now you are calling those who disagree with your actions "morons" with "sticks up your asses". You are mature.
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| 112 | 3 Second Rule
ID: 412582722 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 05:15
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What would Dr. Laura do?
Now, go take on the Day!!
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| 113 | BlackMagicBaller
ID: 568312917 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 05:16
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100+ posts over a ball. Just make sure I'm not sitting near you guys during a baseball game.
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| 114 | 3 Second Rule
ID: 412582722 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 05:20
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It was a slooooow night in the NBA!
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| 115 | booth
ID: 1524108 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 07:18
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RFS-- Yes, absolutley...i suppose i didnt phrase well enough when i said rich white man...and the only person stealing from him should be minorities...this assumes you (a minority) live in america..
KKB--...point..but i am also hoping ppl are smart enough at this site to be white and understand some basic things...CASE in point..i am white..i would also like to note that this type of response is more often then note given to me by my 6th grade sister...me being white (luckily) has had no effect on many of my opinions. If anything me being white makes me believe a lot of these things more than ever
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| 116 | VIDevilRays Leader
ID: 29439176 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 07:44
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Now I have seen everything. Someone commits grand larceny and brags about it on a public message forum. And some theft is ok since it depends upon whom you are stealing from.
And people wonder why, as a parent, I worry about the world my child is entering?
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| 117 | Dave R Leader
ID: 269241611 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 07:48
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YOUNGBUCK, re posts 101 and 102, your reponses in those posts just demonstrated that Shelby hit the nail on the head when he called you immature.
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| 118 | DR Stars
ID: 162592010 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 07:48
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I just had to chip in. There's been talk about ppl in other countries who don't get any help from their governments so they "just have to steal". Speaking from a really impoverished country I can say that's not true by a long shot. I've met families who live day to day without knowing where they'll get their next meal, and they don't steal.
I had a small company a while back (it's idle right now b/c of the poor economy), one of my workers, had 4 kids, two of them were disabled, and they had a small room for the six of them to live in, didn't have the money to get them in school (public- he needed books and such), and he had plenty of chances to steal, from me and clients, and he always did the right thing. BTW he himself was disabled and an excellent worker.
YB, I don't think most of what's being said here is about YOU STEALING a BBALL, it's about the bigger concept of stealing and trying to justify it. And the thing about not hurting anyone, is that maybe YOU get your money's worth, because the price increases will cancel out the value YOU get from the bball, but what about everyone else who didn't get the bball but still suffer the price increases?
I've said enough, nice thread BTW
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| 119 | Micheal
ID: 199332618 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 07:57
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Grand larceny? It's a $100 ball.
YOUGBUCK Don't listen to any of these people. You took a ball, so what? They are casting the first stone and I'm sure alot of them have done things that aren't "morally correct". As far as the ballboy having to pay for the ball, that would be pretty retarded to charge the 14 year old ballboy for a missing basketball. Be real.
Get off your high horses and look in your own closets.
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| 120 | BoNkA Donor
ID: 211571518 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 07:58
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Well, since I work at the First Union Center, I'm going to let one of the head guys know that YOU have the ball they've been looking for. The team doesn't buy the players extra balls throughout the season so they can be responsible about them, and you go and steal one? That's great. I'm sure you'll get a phonecall this afternoon.
And anyways, it's only a basketball, whoop-d-do, it's not like you stole a jersey or say an autographed basketball.
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| 121 | BoNkA Donor
ID: 211571518 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 07:59
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Hehe...
Paragraph 1, that was a joke.
Paragraph (sentance) 2 was real though.
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| 122 | DaddyZen
ID: 8113840 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 08:09
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a man who cheats in life, may not cheat in golf, but a man who cheats in golf, definately will cheat in life...
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| 123 | Micheal
ID: 199332618 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 08:14
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I think your really Phil Jackson.
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| 124 | Ender
ID: 52438315 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 09:02
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We all have done wrong, therefore nothing is wrong, and stealing is OK. Nice logic. Wrong is wrong even if "everybody" does it. Right is right even if "nobody" does it (or would do it as YOUNGBUCK argues).
There's no rationalizing this. Stealing is wrong no matter what the reason. It's not even debatable. You can give your reasons for stealing, but it's still stealing, period.
If you think it's OK to have taken the ball and kept it, ask yourself this: How would you have felt if it had fallen out of your coat on your way out of the arena and someone else had grabbed it and took off?
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| 125 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 381021414 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 09:19
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Good point Ender. Especially if he didn't need it. Or deserved it. Or no one saw the dude take off with it.
pd
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| 126 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor
ID: 36342822 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 09:20
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YOUNGBUCK, you're right, I was extremely immature when I shoplifted from a supermarket in teh 6th grade. And yes, anyone who does steal is immature. It's not like you get to a certain age and you automatically become mature. No, it doesn't work that way. Your actions still tell what kind of person you are and a person who steals is an immature person, no matter what age they are. Pops, "3 years later I now pay 5x the parking in downtown houston, I've recieved 3 parking tickets just this past season attempting to find witty places to park, and I pay more taxes to the city of Houston to fund the Houston Sport Authorities financial obligation to Enron Field." Hey, do you hear that sound? It's the world's smallest violin and it's playing you a tune. Nobody forces you to live in Houston and nobody forces you to park downtown. Please tell me who forces you to do these things? I'm sure Houston isn't the only place in this world that you can find a job doing your line of work, is it? And if it's not, then you have no complaint becuase you choose to live in Houston and you choose to park downtown. Rafi, "ok then steal from Gates and take his money and give it to underpriviledged kids and other charities" Well, then you should be advocating for YOUNGBUCK to donate his ball to charity since you're such a generous guy. I'm sure you would take that $100 from Gates and walk right down to the local food shelter or Red Cross or other charity and donate it, right? (yeah, right!) "What if the bums are disablled and they cant work then how would they survive, ah wait you said that they must work (thats a great concept)" Please show me exactly where I said disabled persons must work. Did you not read the part about where my uncle is disabled? There are government programs in this country for disabled persons and it's not even required for you to have ever had a job. So, what we have is: 1. Homeless and going to food shelter: Look for a job (any job! A McD's that I worked at when I was in high school hired 4-5 homeless people just to sweep garbage and keep the parking lot clean. They even gave them uniforms so they didn't have to buy any clothes and they made sure the guys had quarters to wash their uniforms at the local laundromat. There is work out there if you really want it.) 2. Homeless and disabled: Find a government program (any program!) 3. Homeless and mentally ill: Find a government program (any program!) 4. Jobless and stealing: Get a job! 5. Job and stealing: Stop stealing!
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| 127 | Micheal
ID: 199332618 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 09:21
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Uh, no Ender, nobody said stealing is o.k. The tone around here is not "It's only a ball, but you probably shouldn't have done it". It's "Holy f**king sh!t, can you believe this guy stole a basketball. I have never done anything wrong in my life and he should turn himself in right now".
People are comparing this to cheating on their wives, stealing in third world countries, it's ridiculous. If he did this heinous crime, theres nothing he won't stoop to. He stole a ball, he might rape my wife. He stole a ball, he might break into my home. All these people that think he is the son of Satan, I would like to here what is the worst thing that you have done in your life. I've stolen, cheated and other things but does that mean I would rob a bank and risk getting f*cked in the @ss for the next 20 years. No.
People around here are so holier than thou. All this is is PC and not wanting to lose some respect from fellow gurupies by siding with YOUNGBUCK. Your all fake.
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| 128 | rockafellerskank Donor
ID: 290579 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 09:29
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I don't know why I can stay away from the this thread. Maybe because I can't believe there are defenders of this action.
When I was young (in college), my friends and I thought it was cool to steal pitchers and glasses from bars. We stocked our apartment with their barware and proudly told our guests what we had done. I would have had the same attitude YOUNGBUCK displays if someone had challenged my alleged coolness with an argument about right, wrong & ethics.
In looking back, I realize how wrong what we did was. I realize that if a cop had of caught this drunk kid smuggling beer pitchers out of the bar in his coat, I was going to get charged w/ petty theft. Thank goodness that didn't happen.
The point is: now that I am more mature (in age and attitude), I regret what I did. I would never do it again. At the time I figured the bar had 100's of glasses. I knew the bus boys wouldn't have to pay for them, so why not steal them because they were charging a cover charge to get in!
YOUNGBUCK:
How happy would you have been if a security officer had of placed you under arrest?
You seem proud of what you did now, but ask your self this question. If you were sitting in a job interview and the interviewer asked you to tell them a story about a proud accomplishment you had, would you tell him/her this story? If you answer "NO" Ask yourself why not. Is it because you KNOW it's wrong and it will prevent you from getting that job? Or would you have the balls to blurt out what you have done and see if the interviewer shares your enthusiasm? If you naswer "YES" do you think someone is going to hire you knowing that you rationalize theft? Are they going to give you access to their cash? Office supplies? Expense account?
rfs
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| 129 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 381021414 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 09:39
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No, Michael, I'm not saying that. I'm saying (I can only speak for myself) that blaming that theft on my past misses the point, and for some posters it seems to be OK to steal the ball since it's ballsy (so to speak!). And criticism for that stealing seems to be under criticism because people are "up-tight" or "holier-than-thou" as if (again) the problem here is the people saying that stealing the ball shouldn't have happened.
Maybe Youngbuck is reacting so strongly because some of us refuse to have the blame deflected?
Finally, I think you'd really want to take a look at what it means to be "PC" before you toss out the term. Telling someone that what they did was theft and not to go along with this because if was a "cool thing" is not a PC thing.
pd
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| 130 | Micheal
ID: 199332618 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 10:07
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PD
I don't need to take a look at what it means to be "PC" before I toss out the term. I think some people who criticize him for stealing are just doing it because it is the "right" thing to say. Is that PC?
And are you seriously not going to hire a qualified person because he took a basketball? Get real. You guys keep comparing this to felonies. Things you go to jail for for years. Why don't you compare it to eating and running at Denny's intead of embezzeling (sp?) or cheating on your wife. Some points are valid, others are just ridiculous.
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| 131 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor
ID: 36342822 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 10:13
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"And are you seriously not going to hire a qualified person because he took a basketball?" I might and I might not. If he can steal a basketball (worth upwards of $100), what's going to stop him from taking that amount from my cash register if he finds himself needing the money? If I did hire him, he would be on a short rope and if his register came up short, there would always be that suspicion over him. The fact that he was proud of the whole ordeal would probably keep me from hiring him though. Personally, I prefer the people who say, "Yes, I stole something, but it was wrong." Bragging about stealing a $100 basketball is no different than bragging about grabbing a $100 bill from a Wal-Mart cash register and running (Sam Walton is rich, so I'm sure it's ok, right?). Not that it makes it right to eat-and-run, but a Denny's meal would have a hard time breaking the $10 mark.
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| 132 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 381021414 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 10:14
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No, that's not only not true, it's not PC. Do you think people are criticizing Youngbuck (and risking backlash from Gurupies such as yourself) because they are pressured into doing it even though they feel otherwise? Seems a stretch, wouldn't you agree?
You're entirely right that this is nothing like a felony, or world hunger, or any of the other far-fetched comparisons being posted above. I certainly agree with that. Where we differ is that I don't think it is nothing.
pd
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| 133 | rockafellerskank Donor
ID: 290579 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 10:16
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Michael:
I make hiring decisions for my company.
If an applicant told me that story in an interview, I would NOT hire him regardless of qualifications. It goes to trust/morals. I'm not giving him access to my company's files/clients/data/assets (which is very valuable) if he cannot be trusted with a $100 basketball that he coveted. What if he starts coveting computer monitors or cash from the desk drawer of his neighboring employees? Those are hardly, FELONIES, but certainly not the type of person any company wants as an employee.
You say get real. That is "real life" If you think anyone would consider petty theft as a "plus" on a job application, perhaps you should look up some resume building websites and see if that's on their recommended list of thisng to report.
Getting back to the point of "proud about the action" If you think the incident was not worth condemnation, would you tell the stroty in a job interview? Yes or No?
rfs
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| 134 | VIDevilRays Leader
ID: 8972616 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 10:23
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Micheal-compare it to other crimes? It is a crime, no ifs ands or buts about it. The problem here is that you all seem to be differentiating between crimes that are "ok" and "real" crimes. I don't see the distinction.
I quote-"Whoever takes property which is of $100 or more in value commits grand larceny and shall be imprisoned for not more than 10 years". That's the LAW Micheal. Good luck in your distinction as a defense. Hint-don't try it.
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| 135 | Pops
ID: 29102114 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 10:32
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Ok let this verbal pissing contest begin.
KKB:
When and where did I ever say I questioned any of the changs I've had to endure? In fact, I don't question them one bit. I voted for a new Rockets Arena and a New Astros Arena. I knew what consequences were to be faced had the referendum's been approved.
I'm not one of these high-horse partitioners claiming the moral and political high ground saying that billionaires can make there own 250 Million dollar investment. I'm a fan, I love the game, and the degree I can afford it, I will open my wallet AND my heart for my teams.
What I did was without thought. It was an action that required no judgement on my part. It's much the same when I pass a homeless person and I hand over some change. I'm not immediately taking pictures and getting things notarized so I can prepare for my tax write-off's months down the line.
This country understands crimes of passion. Going back to the well here *twice to often now* if I walk in on my spouse in bed w/ another women...I can go in to a furious rage and shoot the man...simply b/c of the implications of my situation I'm NOT going to be charged with murder.
Please don't drag me down in to this situation. YB stated that he was unsuccessful the first time, so the second time had to be with thought and it had to be premeditated. Mine were neither of the above.
You can't sit there in your own little world and naively say every situation is identical. If you were at all familiar with the legal system you would know a key phrase that goes a little like..."each case stands on it's own set of facts".
You are not my jury, and further more I don't even think you were educated enough to pass reasonable judgement on my situation.
CAN WE STOP THIS?...even if you reply, I'll take the high-road and avoid a response...and if you don't reply...congratulations, you were a better man than me.
PS> I'm late lol so no time for grammer/spell check...have a field day Shelby ;)
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| 136 | Micheal
ID: 199332618 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 10:49
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RFS
Please. I'm telling you to get real because if you think that all of your employees have clean slates I'm gonna tell you your full of sh*t. Why don't you ask them what is the worst thing that they have done. Because you wouldn't have any employees, that's why. I think that everyone at some point in there life has taken something, no matter the value. By your hiring practices, they couldn't work for you. You couldn't work for you. One black mark and no job. I'm glad your not in charge of the afterlife cause we would all go to hell.
VID
Where does it say that $100 is grand larceny? I think this is simple larceny.
I'm voicing my opinion so much because I would have done the same and so my morals are in question too. But I don't like being told that I'm a sinner by sinners. I'm going to bed. Goodnight/morning.
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| 137 | Mat Cauthon
ID: 18039314 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 10:50
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I just saw a clip on Fox Sports West featuring the funniest bloopers and events in sports this week, and there is one of a young man who steals a ball from a Sonics/Sixers shoot-around that's very funny. In it, this guy 'sneakily' pockets this NBA ball, and then plays it off like he's the only one who knows he took it. All the while they have video footage of it, and there's even a clip of some arena officials smirking at the kid when he runs off back to his seat 'triumphant'. I think whatever punishment karma has in store for YOUNGBUCK is offset by the ridicule he is unwittingly going through on the West Coast right now...
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| 138 | blade
ID: 46042710 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 10:50
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can someone tell me where i can find the fantasy basketball forum?
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| 139 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 381021414 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 10:54
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blade, it's switched places with the Politics Forum.
:)
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| 140 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor
ID: 36342822 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 11:03
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Pops, you didn't question the changes you've endured, but you did come across as acrimonious about them. You even implied that because of these hardships you're enduring, that it works out even that you stole from the Houston Astros in '96. I never judged you. I simply took what you said and turned it around to you and said, "If you don't like it, then move." If you do like it (or at least don't mind it), then why complain, or come across as complaining? Further, I do understand that what you did was without a rational thought process which is why I didn't question that. The only thing I questioned was your words about the city you choose to live it. I fully understand crimes of passion and while I don't think stealing, or any other crime, in the midst of non-rational thinking is right, it's certainly more understandable than doing so with premeditated thought, which is what YOUNGBUCK did, as you also pointed out. BTW, does this make me a lesser man? ;)
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| 141 | bd
ID: 261033715 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 11:06
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Yelling at Gary Payton, stealing a basketball ...what's next?? Maybe bragging that he hit someone with a bottle he threw at a football game? I can see it now, in 15 years, "Hey son, go steal that ball and hide it under your coat. It's OK with me, just don't tell mom or I'll have to sleep on the couch."
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| 142 | louky Sustainer
ID: 421134513 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 11:11
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I apologize in advance if this was covered somewhere earlier in this thread, but I have a question and maybe you guys can help me out.
As a 40 something white guy, I have began to notice that I'm am finally losing touch with younger people (a friend had a party for her nieces and nephews this weekend, my wife and I stopped by and hung out for a while with a bunch of 17-20 year olds, found myself thinking how do they listen to this $hit?). So here's my question, it's obviously OK to steal a $100.00 item, where do you guys cap it? Can you go to say, $250.00 and still be cool? Maybe $500.00 is the limit? Help me out here guys, I'd like to get the stick out of my ass and fit in with you guys, just need a little help with the rules.
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| 143 | rockafellerskank Donor
ID: 290579 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 11:16
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Michael:
My last $0.02.
I know all of our employees don't have clean slates. I even admitted I didn't in post #128.
My point is that I wouldn't hire an applicant that boasted about his most recent crime. I used the example of disclosing the crime in a job interview to try to demonstarte that the act is not a thing that most peple would actually brag about because they know it is a negative action. If you think this isn't real life, go fill out an aplication at McD's and put this story under "other acheivements" section and see if McD's hires you.
rfs
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| 144 | Lutefisker
ID: 4611152210 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 11:22
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Stealing is wrong...
but understandable when people are in desperate situations...
Stealing for pleasure and not for necessity is even more wrong...
Youngbuck is very wrong for stealing for pleasure...
If on the other hand he eats the basketball in order to survive he will be less wrong...
But I don't think that is the situation, since he obviously had enough money to pay for his ticket...
unless he stole that too...
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| 145 | Bungers
ID: 5311343110 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 11:29
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louky,
I am also losing touch with the 20-somethings. I thought the thug mentality was disappearing after the mid-90s, but apparently not. That mentality is based on pure subjectivism (as in: "I can do whatever I want and rationalize it because I am ME" versus "I need to do what is RIGHT"). There is no winning an argument or any philosophical discussion with a person who buys into the thug mentality, they will declare themselves the winner (and go to bed :) ). The good thing for the rest of us is that it is not hard to determine the thugs in a thread...and not just this thread. The thug's future is usually one of eventually growing up, but in the mean time it appears as if the appeal of thuggery is that it is still "cool"...and that is truly unfortunate.
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| 146 | Bungers
ID: 5311343110 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 11:34
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rfs, I think most of us got your real point. I think it is a wonderful test in a Youngbuck's own mind, because even though he may brag about it here in this forum, he would not in a job interview with a stranger for a job he REALLY wanted. That is the true test of whether or not he knows it is wrong, deep down inside.
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| 147 | rockafellerskank Donor
ID: 290579 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 11:34
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booth,
RE: #26 & #115
I am a rich white guy (really I am). So, it's OK for a minority to break in to my home and steal from me because this promotes racial equality, right?
I believe I disagree. Can you please enlighten me?
rfs
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| 148 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 11:40
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This is crazy! Are you telling me that you guys have never in your lives done anything that could be looked upon as "stealing"?
You've never snuck into a movie, grabbed some extra pencils from work, left a hotel room with the towels and shampoo?
Give it a rest. We've all leave baseball games with bats or balls that have flown into the crowd. Should we stop at the lost and found and turn them in? Should the guy that leans into the playing field and exposes his butt crack to the world in order to "steal" a foul ball have to hand over the fruits of his labor? It's a basketball. A basketball that is mass produced and probably cost about 10 bucks. I think it is an even greater injustice that they mark up these balls so much and charge over 100 bucks for them. They don't cost that much to produce but we pay that much for them. Beer doesn't cost 8 dollars a glass but that's what we are charged. Peanuts don't cost 5 dollars a bag but again that is what we are charged. I think we all need to take a look at who the real thieves are here! All I know is that if a ball bounces into my lap, a foul ball lands in my beer cup or a bat spirals into my forehead I'm leaving with it!
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| 149 | Ref
ID: 1442849 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 11:46
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OK just got in from a long road trip and leaving tonight for another road trip...but here is my take...I will not pass judgment--but will state some facts...
Stealing something of value in excess of $50 is considered a felony--at least in my state of residence. I've had many opportunities to take a NBA ball from the locker room and never have (also other league balls). Doesn't mean I'm better--maybe I just wouldn't use it or don't have the need for one.
NBA teams get 25 balls per year under the contract. They have to practice with them a lot to get them in game shape (broken in). They must use those balls for all practices and games. On the balls, the team name is pressed into the ball. Sure one ball may not hurt, but if 4 or 5 people had that same inclination or it happened once/night...? Perhaps they give away the balls that are two years old or more...I don't know.
I wonder if teams start losing balls if they will stop letting people come down to courtside or watch people and arrest them to make an example once they leave the game? Interesting.
If I would ever have IMO a brain freeze do something like this, I certainly wouldn't post it on a public board.
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| 150 | blade
ID: 46042710 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 11:49
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re Post #148...that has to be one of the poorest justifications for what Youngbuck did. you're not coming over to my house for dinner...i'd have to hide all the silverware
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| 151 | kycat
ID: 50044410 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 11:50
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You can't take the shampoo??!!
I guess I better start a new thread. ;)
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| 152 | Ender
ID: 52438315 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 11:50
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I can't say I have never taken anything that didn't belong to me. I think I still have an old Harold Baines baseball card that I accidently picked up after trading cards. I never returned it so that means I stole it. However that doesn't make it right, nor does it make Yougbuck taking a basketball right. The fact that I have done the same thing does not in anyway mean it's not wrong. That argument carries no weight.
As far as high prices at the ball park go, we are either willing to pay that much or we are not. That is not stealing in any form. If you don't want to pay that much don't. This is America and they can put whatever price they want on those items. It's our choice whether to purchase them or not. The ball boys and staff in Philly did not have any choice in whether or not their ball was stolen.
Baseball allows fans to keep the ball. It is not stealing at all in that case. That's why when someone catches a significant homerun ball they offer merchandise in order to get it back. You can look it up, it all started when a fan kept a ball a long time ago. It went ot court and the fan won, but only in baseball. It has never been applied to other sports.
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| 153 | Ref
ID: 1442849 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 11:56
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Ender you must have forgotten about Arena Football. ;)
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| 154 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor
ID: 36342822 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 11:57
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CanEHdian Pride, you're comparing a sport where leaving with objects that fly into the crowd is accepted and promoted (baseball) with a sport where it is not (basketball). They're different sports with different rules for objects that make their way into the crowd. "I think it is an even greater injustice that they mark up these balls so much and charge over 100 bucks for them. They don't cost that much to produce but we pay that much for them. Beer doesn't cost 8 dollars a glass but that's what we are charged. Peanuts don't cost 5 dollars a bag but again that is what we are charged." I've read this argument about 5 times now in this thread, yet nobody has been able to answer the response of: If you don't like the price, then don't pay it. Do you realize that the only real reason those things cost that much is because people pay it? If I'm the producer of a product and I sell it for $5 and I'm selling out all the time, then I raise my price to $6 and see what happens. Still selling out? $7. Still selling out? $8. Then $9, then $10, and so on and so forth until I hit the point where I'm not selling out because people don't pay the price for the product. So if you don't like the price, don't pay it. If everyone who complained about the prices of beers and hot dogs and everything else at sporting events would stop complaining and just stop buying the products, then the prices of the products would come down until people resumed their normal buying habits. Really, it is that simple. It's a matter of supply vs. demand and I'm pretty sure we all understand simple economics.
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| 155 | DR Stars
ID: 162592010 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 11:57
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LOL kycat
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| 156 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 12:14
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I'll answer it KKB!
I DON'T pay it. I've never been to an NBA game because the prices are ludicrous. I rarely go to baseball games because again it costs an arm and a leg. Unfortunatley contrary to your economic theory posted above my decision to forego paying these prices HAS NOT affected the prices of beer, pretzels or tickets. So because some people are better off then I am and can afford to pay these outlandish price this means that I am not privleged enough to EVER see a basketball game. Does that seem fair? Doesn't to me. The fact that I will have to bow down and take it in the butt from some rich idiot because I want to someday take my son to a professional sporting event isn't fair either.
I have made the decision not to go, but I can't make the decision for everyone so I am in fact still being screwed eventhough I've made the decision not to go because if for some reason I ever WANT to go I am still forced to pay outrageous prices. They are taking advantage of us because there are some people that can toss money around without any problems. They are exploiting tradition becasue I want to be able to show my son how to fill out a boxscore or show my daughter the place that I sat when I saw my first home run ball. They know this and therefore can keep prices high because they know that though some people will choice NOT to pay there will always be enough that will pay to keep prices high and even those that choice not to pay will come to a few games here and there because they will want to bond with their children and not deprive them of a great experience even if it means paying more then they should have to.
Bottom line is though you make a very obvious statement it isn't as easy as you make it sound because my decision isn't enough. I'd have to convince you, and about 30,000 other people and then maybe we'd start seeing a change.
So by taking your advice these bigwigs have in fact ruined a tradition for many people in order to line their pockets. I think that is pretty sad.
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| 157 | booth
ID: 29013712 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 12:19
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RFS-if you are a rich white guy and you are not doing anything to benefit minorities than you are in the wrong plain and simple (assuming you live in America)....hopefully we can all understand that
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| 158 | Bungers
ID: 5311343110 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 12:27
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booth, I can't understand it. Unless you see some umbilical cord tying rfs to these people he does not know. I don't see one. He has no obligation to these said minorities...and what if that minority was Kobe Bryant? Kobe doesn't need rfs's help or yours. I would hope a "minority" would have enough personal pride to think of themself as an individual instead of playing on a "team" based on the color of their skin or ethnic background. If they do, that is the root of racism...plain and simple, as you would say.
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| 159 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor
ID: 36342822 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 13:28
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CanEHdian Pride, I never said it wasn't sad. It is, indeed, sad. But that's just the way things are sometimes. I want to fly on the Concorde, but can't afford to do so. I want to take my children (when I have them) to see the Pyramids at Giza and the Great Wall of China and various other historical site rather than just reading about them in a book, but I probably won't be able to afford to do so. The fact is, there are hundreds upon thousands of things that people wish they could do, but can't because of money. I'd like a Mercedes sitting in my driveway also. The sad fact is that there are, right now, enough people willing to pay the price to see these teams. It's unfortunate, but it's a fact. The other sad part is that there are families who save up all year just to see one game. It's those families that I wish wouldn't pay the price. Like I said in an eariler message, if the seats are only filled for the first 10 rows, you would see a change in price. However, the common folk still manage to pay the price somehow. They may only see one game, but hundreds of thousands of people seeing just one game over the course of a year adds up to filled arenas. If they would all just get fed up with it, things would change. But you're right, it's not that easy. There are still hundreds of thousands of people who are ok with saving up all year just for one game and that's why the prices stay the way they are. It's a sad fact.
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| 161 | Tree
ID: 599393013 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 13:49
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man, i'm pretty freakin' disgusted with some posts here.
i am white, not rich but surviving in nyc, grew up poor as hell in the south, and i'll be damned if anyone's color has anything to do with whether or not it's ok to "steal"
i am way liberal. i believe in sticking it to the man. and i also believe that if you've got the bucks to help out those less fortunate than you are, I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS ABOUT ANYONE'S COLOR...
whether it's Kobe or Shaq or Dirk or Steve Nash or Magic or Larry Bird or Jordan or Dick Stockton - if you've got that kind of $$$ floating around, i hope to hell you're helping those less fortunate than yourself, regardless of your color, or those you're helping out...
i really don't feel like scrolling back up to see who made the post, but if you're advocating that it's "ok to steal from rich white people if you're a minority", then quite frankly, you're a racist and a bigot...
now, as for the basketball. are there any specific rules that forbid one from taking it? i mean, you get to keep a baseball or hockey puck if it nearly takes your head off, so what are the rules (as opposed to traditions and myths) concerning a ball that bounces your way..
Tree stepping off soapbox
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| 162 | the pope
ID: 50041713 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 13:54
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repent
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| 163 | MajicFaker
ID: 221012613 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 14:17
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The excuses in here to justify wrong are not surprising to me. Like I said before, I see these lame excuses everyday in my line of work. It's never your fault "I am too poor, I can't afford my own basketball. The tickets prices, beer prices are too high. I can't afford a four dollar hot dog and five dollar soda (beer) so I stole a B-ball". Or the victim deserved the crime; "He's rich, he can afford it. They had 25 balls, I only took one." This is pathetic, but unfortunately it is all too common.
I don't think anyone in hear is claiming to be perfect. I certainly am not. But trying to rationalioze wrong behaivior by claiming that others may or may not have done it is rediculous. If that were the case, we would have total anarchy, because every crime has been commited before by someone, therefore, every crime should no longer be looked down upon or condemed. Or should we just put a dollar ammount on what is condemed???
I am not trying to equate stealing a basketball with world hunger, or major felonies. But to rationalize a crime based on a dollar ammount is rediculous. In some states $100 is a felony, in others it's not, but that's not the point. He stole something that did not belong to him. Then he bragged about it. Then, when confronted with his complete lack of morals, he defended it. The later two actions are worse in my oppinion than the theft itself.
YB didn't "accidently" end up with the basketball. He didn't just take it back to his seat. He actually took it home. He not only took the ball, but it was premeditated and deliberate, evidenced by the fact that his first attempt failed, so he tried again and succeeded on the second attempt.
YB, if you didn't believe you were doing anyhting wrong, then why did you hide the ball under your coat and conceal the ball as you escaped with the merchandise? You obviously knew it was wrong, everyhting else is just rationalization.
Oh and by the way Pops, if you caught your wife in bed with another man, and then shot him in a fit of pasion, you WOULD be charged with murder. At least in Oregon, Washington, California and Idaho you would (Those are the only states I can speak of with some knowledge) It just wouldn't be "premeditated muder" or Murder in the first degree. It would be 2nd degree murder. Just a lttle FYI in case you had any plans. JK
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| 164 | Lutefisker
ID: 4611152210 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 14:30
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Hey Pope...
nice site!! :)
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| 165 | Stuck in the Sixties Leader
ID: 12451279 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 14:34
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I don't normally get involved in conversations like this, but I think we all need to take a course in situational ethics. There's an awful lot of black and white being tossed about in these threads.
And Azdbacker, what on earth is your rationale for believing that some of us are born with "demons", as opposed (for example) to disabilities?
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| 166 | j o s h
ID: 21046714 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 15:22
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Lutefisker- I didn't capitalize the P. That's signifigant;-) imho
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| 167 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 16:54
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This is getting out of hand. I can't believe things like "world hunger" and "adultery" are even being brought up in the same thread. The guy took a basketball. Noone, or atleast not me, is saying that it was "the right thing to do". I'm not justifying his actions, I'm only trying to say that everyone should relax a little bit. In the big picture everything is still right with the world, perhaps YB's conscience is a little heavier but what concern of ours is that?
For those saying that excusing this behaviour is the root of all evil today I would like to direct you to something staring us right in the face. The thread title. "Grand Theft Basketball" which to me is a spoof of the popular video game "Grand Theft Auto" where part of the objective is to steal cars, get in good favor of local mob bosses and murder their wives who are cheating on them. This is only a small portion of the game with other parts that include dropping of drugs, outrunning police cars and blowing up buildings with high power explosives. I am totally against all entertainment systems and will not have one in my house when I have children as all the games are destructive and place little bearing on personal accountability. With things like this out there kids stealing basketballs are the least of our worries.
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| 168 | Micheal
ID: 5815241 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 17:07
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Hopefully this will be my last post and this threads last post (though I doubt it).
I never said it wasn't wrong to take the ball. It was wrong. It's not his and it wasn't given to him. I am not making the argument that everyone has done something wrong so the act is justified. If that was the case, murder would be justified. What I am saying is tone the preaching down a little, you all have done boneheaded things too.
RFS
Believe it or not, I understand your point. It is not something to put on an application. Neither is beating your wife, cheating on your taxes or exposing yourself in public. I'm sure this was not the crowning achievement in his life so far, at least I hope not. He knows he stole it, that's why he hid it. So you win that argument. Now my question to you is, if you wouldn't hire someone that you knew took a ball from an NBA game because you would equate that to "they might steal from my company" then why do you have employees on your staff now that have done something that minor (yes it is minor). What if an employee took a candy bar from a store when he was in college and told you that, you wouldn't hire him? My point is you probably have people working for you that at some point in there life have took something or kept something that didn't belong to them. Why are they working for you now? Ender couldn't work for you, do you realize that?
So to summarize, (1) yes he stole the ball (2)yes it was wrong (3) yes it was dumb to boast about it, especially here (4) tone down the holier than thou act, you have done things your not proud of.
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| 169 | biliruben Sustainer
ID: 3502218 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 17:10
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EH - Playing a video game where you break laws is WORSE than ACTUALLY breaking laws!?! You are a bit confused, me thinks.
That said, sure stealing the ball was wrong, but there is a continuum of severity of wrongs. Some things are obviously more wrong than others, and an individual must decide for themselves what they consider wrong in many cases. For instance, some might consider gambling morally reprehensible yet not blink an eye at adultery. Petty theft may more wrong than assault for someone else (hey, it was just a fist fight, Ma!). Speeding may be the ultimate sin for someone who lost their children in a highway crash.
All I am saying is, think before you judge. Don't assume your morality is the one true moral code. To each his own, according to their own conscience.
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| 170 | Hillbilly Delight
ID: 3011462420 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 17:13
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CanEHdian Pride,
I am not saying you are wrong about not having video game systems, but allow me to ask something without any disrespect. You say you won't have video game systems b/c of the violent games. Those games are intended for adults. The age of the video game generation is growing older.
Does this mean that you don't have a VCR or DVD player b/c there are videos out that contain violence?
Again, I am not trying to be a prick, but I thought not owning video game systems b/c of some of the violent games was an interesting statement.
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| 171 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 17:30
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The point of my arguement is that parents let their kids watch movies and play these video games where they actually interact with the gaming environment by stealing cars and killing people. The key words in my arguement are "when I have kids" I will not have one in my house. I would never let a young impressionable mind get close to the garbage that the gaming industry is putting out.
Agreed it is AIMED at an older audience but I work in a video store and I see parents stand by as their pre teen kids rent Max Payne, GTA III and Devil May Cry. I just want to reach out and smack the parents upside the head for letting their kids have entertainment in these ways. It just seems to me that the term "Grand Theft Auto" carries a lot less weight now as it is used in a mocking manner in the thread title. Kids are becoming desensitized to crime of ALL kinds.
Of course commiting a crime is worse then "pretending" to commit one but if the extent of the gaming industries role playing was jacking a basketball at a SuperSonics game I'd feel a lot better then I do now when I see Mafia leaders instructing our children to role play the murder of their unfaithful partners.
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| 172 | Bungers
ID: 5311343110 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 17:43
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CP, I do feel for your position, but even when I was a kid I knew the video games/movies weren't real. You have a right to do what you want, but I give my kids more credit for their intellect than that. (Now, my youngest is pretty wild at 4 years old, so I may stick with your philosophy for him. :) I hear all the time the argument that it is the violent games and movies that is jading our kids, but I think it is the friends and other kids they know that they think are cool who have the thug mentality I mentioned above that are the negative influence.
The difference for me is that I personally find those games repulsive, but they do not represent reality to me. On the other hand, if I went to a B-ball game and even started to think out a plot to take a ball, my heart would pound and my hands would get clammy...and I just would never be able to do it. But make a video game where I steal a basketball and those symptoms would not occur. Reality, my friend, reality is where we show our true colors.
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| 173 | El Shagon
ID: 299242814 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 17:49
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Grand Theft Auto 3 is a lot of fun to play though. However, I don't understand why they don't choose to make entertaining games without the extreme sex, violence and drugs like those found in GTA3. What makes the game fun, to me, are the little things they put into it. Beating women over the head with baseball bats can hardly be doing any good for the kids playing these games.
I know it's been said taking the basketball isn't the same as taking a baseball, however the baseball must be hit into the stands for one to take it. I see people with fish nets and all sorts of contraptions to snag balls from the field of play. Technically this could be considered stealing as well because it's not supposed to be allowed. I guess the point I'm trying to make is taking the ball was wrong, but it's not something to get all bent out of shape about. Grabbing a foul ball with a fish net may be wrong, but I don't think you'll find too many people equating it with adultery, car theft, etc. I think the biggest wrong this kid did was to try and justify his actions and to brag about it. A lot of people brag about doing something wrong either because they want to find out if others think it's wrong due to a sense of guilt, or because they want to impress others.
Kid ya stole a basketball...are we impressed: No
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| 174 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 426351415 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 17:53
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You make a very good point Bungers which I was gonna work in but got a little caught up in my point. It does depend on the kid but the thing I see happening is that if you have played a game where you steal basketball and have an idea of how it is done and what to do afterwards, when put in the situation you may feel a little more comfortable doing it. I just think that seeing actions that appear in the games may desensatize kids to the true implications of what is going on.
As for the DVD/VCR debate I will take the stance that if you sit with your kids and explain what is going on that there won't be many ill effects as I was not a sheltered child but was always told what was going on was not acceptable. I was not allowed to see things/play games until I was ready and my parents kept tabs on what I was doing and with whom. Sadly enough this doesn't happen and I see it every day. I tell kids they can't rent certain movies or play certain games and they say "My parents don't care if I rent this, you can call them." and sometimes I do and without divulging the name of the game/movie I get a very rude "Yeah, let 'em rent it" response. Hell they could be renting porn and the parents don't care. That is a big problem facing our kids today and I'm gonna make damn sure that my kids are exposed to these things but only when they are ready to understand them.
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| 175 | Bungers
ID: 5311343110 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 17:56
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Agreed, CP. Great post.
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| 176 | Lutefisker
ID: 4611152210 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 18:03
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Regarding post #169...
How ironic to me that the qoute:
"To each his own, according to their own conscience"
would be used for the apparent purpose of minimizing a crime that directly denies one party the right to continue to possess that which was that parties own to possess.
"To each his own", to me, directly implies that the basketball team should have been able to keep that which was its to keep (i.e. the basketball).
As to the moral concept (and that is what it is) of not imposing ones morality upon others, even to the extent that one can do harm to another (such as steal the others property), this is already a well know concept. It is known as anarchy and has been proven to be a rather unsuccessful social model to follow.
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| 177 | 3 Second Rule
ID: 412582722 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 18:44
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It's called Ethics!
"Doing Whats RIGHT when NO one is Looking!"
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| 178 | E'ville Leader
ID: 29017810 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 18:51
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Very true Lutefisker. I think we have something called a Republic where we decide as a group what is right and not let people decide for themselves.
As far as the pettiness of the situation. It all comes down to RESPECT. If you can rationalize not having it for someone else (ie...a rich owner) you will never have it for yourself. As respect is something you earn, not demand or take from someone. The people complaining the loudest for respect just never quite "get it". Sad thing is you can never really help someone until they are ready to help themselves. A vicious cycle indeed. Everyone wants respect but only about half want to earn it.
Point in fact. Small thefts from large rich companies cause large rich companies to cut elsewhere. Usually in wages and benefits to those who need them most. When you steal from a large company usually it is the smallest, poorest member of that company that feels the ripple effect.
In this case maybe enough missing balls causes the team to keep people away from the shoot around. Thus screwing over anyone who might like to get close and get an autograph(ie...a poor kid who can't afford front row seats).
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| 179 | Micheal
ID: 5815241 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 18:59
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E'ville
What you are saying is true and I feel it every time I write a check for my auto insurance. Pretty ironic name for someone with high moral values.
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| 180 | biliruben Sustainer
ID: 3502218 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 19:05
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Lute - I was talking about talking about morality exclusive of the laws a society chooses to enact and enforce. There is a big difference between law and morality. I wasn't minimizing the crime (If you read, I started by saying that it was wrong - in a legal sense), I was suggesting to those who were quick to judge using their own moral codes, that there is not just one moral code. Individuals should chose their own moral code, not accept one thrust upon them, such as the 10 commandments.
There are acts considered by some to be immoral that are backed by the rule of law and there are some that aren't.
There are laws that some consider to have moral strength behind them, and some that people clearly feel can be broken without any consequences to their own morality (i.e. speeding, gambling on sports...).
Conclusion: choosing for yourself your own moral guidelines does NOT equal anarchy. It just demonstrates you have free will and a conscience that is determined by your own experiences, not dictated from on high.
Obviously, if you break a law and are caught, you must accept the consquences. Breaking laws does not mean you are necessarily immoral, though others may consider you to be.
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| 181 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 19:57
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#180 biliruben - I'm not trying to start an argument here but this one really stood out: "Individuals should chose their own moral code, not accept one thrust upon them, such as the 10 commandments." Where does that leave religion? Don't most religions of the world have a moral code so to speak? Aren't these religious beliefs handed down to us from thousands of years ago? Should they be disregarded? Maybe the gradual moral decline of our society is directly related to individuals choosing their own moral code as opposed to staying within the structure of some type of religion. Just something to think about...
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| 182 | biliruben Sustainer
ID: 3502218 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 20:06
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Nature boy - I agree that moral codes imbedded in religions shouldn't be ignored, even though I myself am not religious. They can certainly be used as a starting place in developing your own moral code, and we call learn much from them. I only suggest you think deeply about those codes, ponder why they were incorporated into your religion of choice, and whether that reason is valid to you as well, or even relevent in our current world.
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| 183 | booth
ID: 1524108 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 00:12
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RFS--like i said i misphrased what i intended to say...where do you draw the line at???? it is very sad that you phrase it in this matter...quite frankly as long as the gross amount of racism/discrimination continues to go on in america it should be EVERY white Man/Womans (forced or not) Obligation to help out minorities...you can "draw" the line when you can see first hand that you have made a difference for the positive in many ppls lives
TREE--it opinions like this that continue to prevent any hint of equality in America ...as long as the white man offers up these silly excuses...comments/feelings like that ONLY extend the injustices in America..they do nothing else
AND LAST
HAHAHAHAH TO THIS COMMENT
"I would hope a "minority" would have enough personal pride to think of themself as an individual instead of playing on a "team" based on the color of their skin or ethnic background"
you silly ppl make my points for me...STILL to this day minorities PLAY on a team...a team that the white man forces them to be on..Minorities face the american white man day in and day out...this all white team has already exterminated an entire race and is working on a few more as we speak
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| 185 | blade
ID: 508718 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 00:18
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can we please let this thread die already...it is way overplayed
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| 186 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 01:28
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look at the sh!t I have caused. looks like I lost the respect of all my fellow gurupies.
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| 187 | Hillbilly Delight
ID: 3011462420 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 02:24
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yep
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| 188 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 02:32
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Since most of the comments I have heard about Youngbuck have been morally & politically correct wouldn't it make sense to give the guy a break & forgive & forget?
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| 189 | Hillbilly Delight
ID: 3011462420 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 02:38
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From post #42
Youngbuck - "I really don't give a sh!t about what you guys think about me haven't you noticed? remember I posted about how me and gary payton got into it after I said he sucked? and then everyone on the boards ripped me apart? iam justing posting just for the hell of it just too tell a story."
post 101 Youngbuck - "I didn't post this story for you morons to get all ethical and moral."
Morons! And he doesn't care what we think, so it doesn't matter if he deserves a break.
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| 190 | Hillbilly Delight
ID: 3011462420 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 02:41
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I will forgive and forget when Youngbuck deletes this thread, so I can forget about it. :)
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| 191 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 02:44
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Screw Youngbuck Lets talk B-ball!!You have the A.Miller virus on your team.Who you got???
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| 192 | Hillbilly Delight
ID: 3011462420 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 02:50
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Yeah, I have Dre, and the gut tells me to hold for the 5 in 7. If the Cavs didn't get blown out the last game he would have scored more. I think the Cavs were blown out the other night too. Were they?
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| 193 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 02:55
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I can go miller>kobe and still have enough $$ for redd>tinsley and have 2.5$$ banked!!What you think on trading miller tonight before he drops!
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| 194 | Hillbilly Delight
ID: 3011462420 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 02:59
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Besides tonight, Dre has scored in the past 6 games:
TSNP 30 27 50 28 54 50
The gut says to stay, so I shall stay. He is bound to come around, plus I don't want Kobe b/c Shaq is back in the line-up. I'd rather wait on Payton (coming off the 2 gm week) or Kidd's 5-game week.
Plus, the price drop (assuming there is one) won't be that big on Wednesday b/c of the heavy trading for O'Neal, Tinlsey, Haywood, and ppl getting out of B. Miller and Brand.
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| 195 | threespleens
ID: 11142183 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 04:58
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kkb, 154
nice economics 101 lesson!
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| 196 | blue hen, almighty Leader
ID: 27048221 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 05:21
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Interesting. Youngbuck stole a basketball to put food on the table for his wife (on whom he cheats), and his friend Rafi. Have you sold the ball yet?
Personally, I wouldn't hire Youngbuck or Rafi for any job. Not for lack of a phone number, but rather, for their tendency to steal.
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| 197 | Tree
ID: 4310343 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 07:10
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in response to booth - what opinions prevent equality??? the opinion that regardless of color, sexual orientation, or whether your a cat or a dog person, that we're all in this boat together?!?!?!
then what is equality - if people are saying, in simple terms, that race doesn't matter, doesn't that make it a null, and thusly, equal...
if i'm wrong, what specific comments are you talking about that i made that extend the "injustices"..
Tree
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| 198 | DR Stars
ID: 162592010 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 07:26
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LOL blue hen
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| 199 | Micheal
ID: 199332618 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 07:30
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Only 128 more posts to beat Ira's 85M thread.
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| 200 | booth
ID: 1524108 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 07:37
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we will easily get there...and TREE..these comments that you are making (and dont get me wrong many others say the same thing) are quite frankly a childish way of looking at this issue that sadly comes from a total lack of education on racial issues in our society...what you said is a peachy way of looking at it..but is that reality???? No absolutley not...it is crazy to make comments like that when nothing like that actually exists
"the opinion that regardless of color, sexual orientation, or whether your a cat or a dog person, that we're all in this boat together?!?!?!"
Exactly...like you said...if everyone felt like that it would be great...but so many dont..and thats what prevents this
RFS-...ok
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| 201 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 481131813 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 13:55
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do you think I really meant what I said about loosing all the respect for fellow gurupies? NOT!!!
I just posted this story to spice up the boards make it a little livlier. who cares!?!?!
peace
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| 202 | Tree
ID: 599393013 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 14:59
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booth - you've made it clear not everyone believes this - you've made your own racist assertations.
it's a shame, because the world would be a better place if we all believed that everyone is equal. call me naive, ignorant, childish, or even a stupid hippie, but the facts speak for themselves.
i'll repeat what i said early - if you had said "it's ok to steal from the rich man to prevent yourself from starving to death," i would have no issues with that.
but when you throw in "it's ok to steal from the rich WHITE man...." you sound like an idiot...every single person who drives a spike between different people, wedging them apart, and make no bones about it, you ARE one of those people, works against a common goal of loving one another..
Tree
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| 203 | Hillbilly Delight
ID: 3011462420 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 15:26
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booth,
I really don't want to get into an argument with you. But will you explain this statement,
"you silly ppl make my points for me...STILL to this day minorities PLAY on a team...a team that the white man forces them to be on..Minorities face the american white man day in and day out...this all white team has already exterminated an entire race and is working on a few more as we speak"
What are you talking about?
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| 204 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 15:35
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Who in the blue hell is blue hen,almighty? Any relation to big brother Dean almighty? (School Daze)
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| 205 | PGunn
ID: 16015811 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 15:40
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YOUNGBUCK is THE MAN. Leave him alone you anal retentive DORKS!!!
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| 206 | Hillbilly Delight
ID: 3011462420 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 15:44
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I'm sure ppl would leave YB alone IF he would be so kind as to delete this thread :)
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| 207 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 15:48
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#205 P-Gunn You're sympathetic with Youngbuck & that's understandable but on the other hand you appear to have no love for PlasmaX & smallworld for that matter. "This game is a joke and anybody who plays it next year is a SUCKER!!
And the guys running it are a JOKE for not knowing better." You appear to be inconsistent & a bit immature.
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| 208 | Dark Vader
ID: 6102911 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 16:14
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What's up with all of these after the fact assertions of equality? We've operated under various systems of intentional and legalized inequality since before there were 13 colonies. Now that we have half-heartedly dabbled with ideas of equality for two or three decades, we want to pat ourselves on the back, light up a cigar, and congratulate ourselves for being equal?
We live in a male-dominated capitalist system. We don't even pay our athletes equally based on gender. And these are the members of our society that receive our special treatment. What do you think happens to the rest of us that don't hit curve balls or drain three pointers.
We all play in a rigged game. Our government keeps track of the unemployment rate. Our capitalist system depends on a certain rate of unemployment for our economy to run smoothly. That means our government expects and encourages a certain amount of joblessness in this nation. Not due to sloth or indolence, but as a simple economic necessity.
Sports requires winners and losers. Human exsistence shouldn't. Any human system that thrives on creating winners at the expense of others being losers isn't just, moral, Christian, or positive. Especially when our own government's census records prove that those persistent losers at the game of capitalism are over-represented by those that are black, brown, young, and female.
Youngbuck stole a ball. Shame on him. As a nation, we've stolen land, lives, and actual people. And now we use a few "lucky" decendants of those same people for entertainment.
Shame on us as well.
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| 209 | Hillbilly Delight
ID: 3011462420 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 16:22
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Pro athletes are over-paid. What is the NBA league minimum? $1 million? For what? Firefighters, Cops, Doctors, Nurses, Teachers, etc should have higher wages as they are (used to be) important figures in our society. Maybe some of these $100 million athletes should have more of a responsibility of helping out minorities.
The assertion that we "USE a few "lucky" decendants of those same people for entertainment" is ridiculous. I don't think the govt or we USE them; they are well paid.
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| 210 | blue hen, almighty Leader
ID: 34937217 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 16:45
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Wooo!
The nature boy wants to know who, in the blue hell, the blue hen, almighty, is?
Well let me just tell you a thing or two about the blue hen, almighty, alrighty? Is he your worst nightmare? No, he's not. Dress your worst nightmare up for Halloween. Put on a mask, a really scary mask, and some claws. Some sharp claws. Claws capable of ripping your heart out through your neck. Then, have that dressed up nightmare standing right next to you. I said right next to you. In the middle of a deserted street. In the middle of the night. And you've pissed him off. And you've pissed him off and your hands are tied behind your back. No - scratch that. You've pissed him off and your FEET are superglued to the floor. And he's steaming mad. And he likes to eat nature boys.
Your worst nightmare, supercharged, all dressed up and ready to eat you, won't even hurt you half as much as I will if you don't shut the hell up.
That, my oh-so-edible friend, is all you need to know about the blue hen, almighty.
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| 211 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 16:57
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I am frightened by this urban legend they call blue hen,almighty!
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| 212 | PGunn
ID: 16015811 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:05
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Nature Boy, I guess you are trying to eqaute PlasmaX getting a free trade to YoungBuck getting a souvenier at a B-Ball game. I don't consider what Youngbuck did stealing.
By the way, I have nothing against PlasmaX, my issue is with Bernie and Erik B. giving out trades and running a bad game.
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| 213 | Twarpy Leader
ID: 461116111 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:08
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PGunn we really don't need to hear your opinion on every thread. It's fine that you feel that way, but actions speak louder than words, if you don't like the service then don't pay for it.
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| 214 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:10
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oh yeah isn't it considered "o.k." too take a ball if it reaches the stands? just like in every other sport like baseball, hockey, football etc.
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| 215 | Twarpy Leader
ID: 461116111 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:14
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YB, yes it is, but they encourage it. If they wanted the ball back the first time it came to you they probably wanted it back the second time too. I fail to see how you could use the argument that since it's okay in other sports, that they should allow you to have the ball.
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| 216 | PGunn
ID: 16015811 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:19
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Twarpy, I was responding to Nature Boy's post #207 so shut the F**K UP.
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| 217 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:20
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if you could open your eyes and read my post again you would see that I asked a question and wasn't using that as my argument, smart guy (leader?)
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| 218 | Flying Polack
ID: 348311914 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:24
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Isn't it common to cut off someone's hand for stealing in other countries? Maybe YoungBuck thinks it's ok for the United States to use that punishment as well.
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| 219 | Bungers
ID: 5311343110 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:26
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So PGunn would be pissed if a free ball had been given to Youngbuck by team management or the Cust Relations dept, but stealing it is not a problem??? I'm lost.
By that reasoning: If Youngbuck sucessfully hacks the TSN site and gives himself 500 trades it's cool???
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| 220 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:28
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I didn't know Polacks could fly.
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| 221 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:32
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flying polack I do, can you say anything more dumb?
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| 222 | Bungers
ID: 5311343110 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:35
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Only if he posted something like this:
"friday's game sonics vs. the sixers was the best game I went too, not becuase I got a bunch of autographs but how I stole a official NBA Game Ball.
this is how the it went, about a hour and half before the game fans can come and and sit courtside and watch the players warm up before the game so I dicided to come down and watch the 76'ers warm up. as the players shot the some balls found there way too the crowd, and the fans threw them back. I said too my self if a ball comes too me I aint giving it back. so about 5min later a ball that Iverson shoots comes and hits me right in the hand, but the ball boy had seen the ball come to the crowd so he walked over too me and took it from me. I was like Damn!!! I thought that was my only chance but it wasn't. A couple minuets later another ball came rolling towards me, but before anyone could see it I quickly picked it up and rolled it up in my jacket. then a sat there like nothing had happend watched for about 15 more minuets then walked up too my seat with the ball rapped in my jacket under my arm, sat in my seat and watched the game then whent home with a OFFICIAL NBA BASKETBALL!!!"
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| 223 | Flying Polack
ID: 348311914 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:38
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Bungers, you forgot to include
"oh yeah isn't it considered "o.k." too take a ball if it reaches the stands? just like in every other sport like baseball, hockey, football etc. "
YoungBuck I was just using your rationale.
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| 224 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:38
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Bungers? what the hell is a bungers anyway?
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| 225 | Bungers
ID: 5311343110 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:40
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See post #210...his brother.
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| 226 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:40
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but the fact is it is ok you dumbass.
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| 227 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:43
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the bottom line is that I have a official NBA basketball and all you freakin' HATERS DON'T!!!
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| 228 | MajicFaker
ID: 221012613 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:44
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PGunn, Since when is taking something that does not belong to you, NOT stealing?
On the subject of racism, isn't a system (Or people) that insist that I give preferential treatment to anyone based on their color, gender, religion, sexual prerference ect, racism? Why can't I treat everyone as an equal regardless or race? Just because others are racist does that somehow mean that I am a racist? Or that I must compensate in order NOT to be racist? In case any of you havn't noticed affirmative action is racism. You are telling me that I MUST give race additional weight in making any decesion about an individual. How is that not racism? And in this scenario, who is encouraging the racism? Me? Or those forcing the issue of race on me?
As far as the gender Issue goes, and not paying our athletes equally based on their gender, this also is a crock. How much revenue does the WNBA generate? I honestly don't know, but I would wager that it is a small fraction of what the NBA generates. Look at women's sports world wide, with the exception of women's tennis, The revenues generated by women's sports is a fraction of that generated by men's. So now are you saying that I, as a consumer, sould be forced to watch the WNBA and buy their merchandising just to create "eaquality" even if I have no interest in their poroduct? Does that make me sexist because I believe the WNBA to be less entertaining? Its a matter of economics, not sexism.
I have no affection for racists period. I grew up in So Cal, and then moved to Oregon. When I got here I was shocked by the ammount of racists here. I am appauled by anyone who would deny any opportunity to a person because of race, gender, sexual preference, religion ect. and I refuse to associate with those people. Does it happen? Absolutley, and I am appauled by those poeple who are so small minded to behaive that way. But I am also appauled by anyone who feels that htye are owed somehting because of their race, whether they are white, yellow, brown, black, green, blue or whatever.
In fact, aren't we all foriegners here? Regardless of the color our skin? We are all imagrants, no matter how you look at it. In a religious sense, do you really think God has differnt rules base on race or gender?
Don't get me wrong, I don't live with my head in the sand. I know there are a lot of racists in the world. But you don't have to be white to be a racist. If we say that race should not be an issue, but then isnist that it be considered, aren't we just promoting the continuation of racism?
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| 229 | MajicFaker
ID: 221012613 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:53
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YB,
Not that you care, but I don't hate you. I am not even angry with you. I PITTY you, because you just don't get it. If and when I want a basketball, I will work a little extra, take my hard EARNED money and buy my own ball.
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| 230 | Lutefisker
ID: 4611152210 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 17:57
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Hmm... I am beginning to believe that in the choice to make either PlasmaX happy or PGunn happy that Bernie and Eric made the right choice.
The lack of graciousness shown by PGunn and YOUNGBUCK are not conducive to long term custumer relations anyway.
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| 231 | blue hen, almighty Leader
ID: 34937217 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 18:02
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Bungers, I hope you're not claiming to be related to me.
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| 232 | Bungers
ID: 5311343110 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 18:04
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Only for what's in your will.
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| 233 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 18:14
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majic faker that is not the point. yeah I have own about 4 basketball that are all worth around 55 dollars but the one I wanted could not be purchased and that one is the official nba gameball. see my point? it's not about the money I have plenty of that.
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| 234 | biliruben Sustainer
ID: 3502218 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 18:17
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Youngbuck - if you have plenty of jack, maybe sending Guru an equivalent $100 to make up for your dastardly deed would be appropriate.
He requests your help.
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| 235 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 359283123 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 18:24
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I see your point about wanting something special and unique that money can't buy.
That's why I am taking your Gurupie handle. I'm going to steal it from you because I want it, so it's OK because it's not costing you anything.
signed.
YOUNGBUCK (formerly rockafellerskank)
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| 236 | rockafellerskank Donor
ID: 359283123 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 18:26
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.. just kidding... trying to make a point though.
rfs
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| 238 | MajicFaker
ID: 221012613 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 18:27
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LOL Biliruben, like thta's going to happen.
YB, Thanks for clarifying that. I was so confused. See I thought you just stole a basketball that didn't belong to you, but since you REALLY wanted it, I guess its all good. Whew, If I would have known that you didn't need the ball, but you just wanted it, that would have made all the diference in the world.
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| 239 | Wow
ID: 41037819 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 19:45
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Since this basketball forum seemingly has changed to the Ethics forum (not to be confused with the politics forum) and seems to be filled with Ethics professors as well as moralsapiens, how about this:
Is it OK to sell used music CD's? Is it OK to buy used music CD's. Those poor artists and the company that produced them only get the money from the original sale. Isn't the used CD market exploiting them? Isn't this worse than trading MP3's?
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| 240 | YOUNGBUCK Leader
ID: 34937217 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 19:59
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Let's all be YOUNGBUCK!
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| 241 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 2602820 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 20:07
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that is totally irrelavant to this sitiuation, get your facts straight. and use your own damn name, I know you guys want to be me right now becuase I have that ball and you don't. ha ha ha ha ha!!!
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| 242 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 2602820 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 20:14
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alright you guys. I don't know why you all are defending a multi-million industry, just because I took one ball. you guys are overreacting to a point which is unbearabley annoying.
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| 243 | Micheal
ID: 5815241 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 20:16
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Million?
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| 244 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 2602820 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 20:17
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multi-million dollar indusrty is the NBA
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| 245 | Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 20:26
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can't we all just get along?
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| 246 | YOUNGBUCK Leader
ID: 34937217 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 21:31
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No way. Youngbuck is too stupid to have a conversation with anyone except maybe Rafi. Or YankeesRule.
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| 247 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 42026821 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 21:35
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you are a fuc*ing fagget don't use my name come out the bushes if you have something too say.
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| 248 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 42026821 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 21:36
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BLUE HEN YOU ARE A DUMBASS.
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| 249 | blue hen, almighty
ID: 42026821 Tue, Jan 08, 2002, 21:39
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you guys should listen too youngbuck he is right.
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| 250 | 3 Second Rule
ID: 412582722 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 01:00
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Reading this thead tonight, was better than wacthing the Lakers/Pistons Game on TV.
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| 251 | booth
ID: 1524108 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 01:19
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HAHAHAHHA i must say i laugh with whole hearted joy when i see a beautiful educated opinion...i.e post 208...the thing that saddens me most about these situations is that the ppl who often care enough to disagree with me on these issues are often the ppl who WOULD agree with me if they knew more about these issues.....the only comment i semi dont agree with from post 208 is the christian comment...this is savagely ironic cuz thats what this nation is all about.
NOW on to the points
hehe this comment again amuses me
"because the world would be a better place if we all believed that everyone is equal"
.............. .....Hippy you say...then you say some other things...most often the ppl i run into who disagree with me offer this opinion up...this is such a SILLY uneducated viewpoint on the world (especially America)...SUCH a ONE sided (EZ for the white man) street it is TRULY amazing that ANY man has the nerve to say such a thing...has america thought that???? does it even think it now????? i just cant believe ppl say these things out loud (or type them for public viewing)
HB---Dark Vader alreadly answered your question...i would also say i already explained myself in my previous post
last but not least
i would have to say honestly that my first comment was solely made to spark discussion on this topic because sadly so much of our society is so "in the dark" on racial issues i try to use any opportunity available to me to broach the topic
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| 252 | blue hen, almighty Leader
ID: 27048221 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 01:49
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It's a good thing there's that "delete thread" thing around. That way, YOUNGBUCK can delete this whole thread and newcomers won't know how dumb he is.
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| 253 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 02:01
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Will the real YOUNGBUCK please come forward? ID: 359283123 #235, ID: 331381323 #233,Leader ID: 34937217 #240,ID: 2602820 #241,ID: 42026821 #248??????????
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| 254 | blue hen, almighty Leader
ID: 27048221 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 02:03
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Will the real nature boy please come forward...
1. Ric Flair 2. Vince McMahon wearing a dress and a wig. 3. Some guy on this board that's more annoying than either one.
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| 255 | Twarpy Leader
ID: 3211422521 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 02:08
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Seeing as YB lives in Seattle, and one bluehen, almighty also lives in Seattle why don't you two get together?
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| 256 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 02:12
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"Well let me just tell you a thing or two about the blue hen, almighty, alrighty? Is he your worst nightmare? No, he's not. Dress your worst nightmare up for Halloween. Put on a mask, a really scary mask, and some claws." almighty blue hen have you been wearing a YOUNBUCK mask? Leader ID: 34937217 #233,ID: 42026821 #249 , Leader ID: 27048221 #252 Multiple I.D. syndrome?
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| 257 | Micheal
ID: 371024132 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 04:13
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Ira's going to cry when his BS thread is toppled by this BS thread.
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| 258 | Tree
ID: 4310343 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 07:07
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booth - i'm gonna call you on judging me, since you don't know me...
"Hippy you say...then you say some other things...most often the ppl i run into who disagree with me offer this opinion up...this is such a SILLY uneducated viewpoint on the world (especially America)...SUCH a ONE sided (EZ for the white man) street it is TRULY amazing that ANY man has the nerve to say such a thing...has america thought that???? does it even think it now????? i just cant believe ppl say these things out loud (or type them for public viewing)"
uneducated? right. i've got my degree. spent several years as a reporter.
easy for the white man? i may be be white. but i grew up very poor, and jewish, in the 'hood, in a school that was about 90 percent black, 5 percent hispanic, 4 percent asian, and one percent white...so don't tell me about being in the majority kid...
all i'm saying, is that it has nothing to do with color...if i'm looking for someone to get some dough from, and my dad (white) is walking side by side with kobe bryant (a multi-millionaire, black, with an upper middle class upbringing), i can tell you i'll go right past their color and look more closely at the number of zeroes in their bank account...
now if it's kobe and mark cuban, i'll go after cuban...
your world is black & white, and it's a shame, that you've got so many issues you can't see the forest for the trees...
Tree
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| 259 | blue hen, almighty Leader
ID: 34937217 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 09:44
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booth, it's spelled "people"
and you, Mr. Nature Boy. It took you long enough to figure out the Youngbuck thing. Either you're really stupid or you're really slow.
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| 260 | Micheal
ID: 199332618 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 10:25
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To many leaps from the top rope.
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| 261 | Memphis Fan
ID: 341015260 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 10:44
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Die thread die =X
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| 262 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 139562511 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 12:35
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the reason I have so many differnent id#'s is cause I have many computers at my house about 6 counting my dad's.
and blue hen shut up and you are a disgrace to the city of seattle.
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| 263 | Y2JS
ID: 54046910 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 12:53
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Since he likes Pearl Jam and is a devout Phils Fan i have to disagree with you that BH is a "fuc*ing fagget". That's really uncalled for YB. I actually didn't mine that you took the ball bro, but there's really no need to make a post about and show how cool you really think it was. But i guess you already know that seeing as we're running on over 200 posts now. Erase this thing please! Or send it to the Politics Forum
Philadelphia Phillies 2008!
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| 264 | MajicFaker
ID: 221012613 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 13:13
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Wow Blue hen, you should be flattered, being called "A disgrace" by the person who has no qualms about stealing...
How can we let this thread die... It is by far more entertaining than the Laker/Pistons game last night. (And I'm a Lakers fan).
I also find it so ironic that in a forum such as this where no one has any idea what race or gender the other posters are, yet race becomes an issue. This helps prove my point, that some people are bigots, regardless of their race. While others insist on assuming others are racist while assuming the aledged racist must be white.
Majic
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| 265 | Pilewort Donor
ID: 369101914 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 13:55
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you can't say "each to their own," because by stealing the ball, you might be prohibiting the owner of the ball from following his or her own moral conviction.
I can't agree more that stealing the ball is wrong. However, to put a different slant on the question, how many of those condeming youngbuck, such as myself, have also downloaded mp3 audio from the internet in violation of copyright laws? Now I know Perm Dude hasn't, but probably many have.
I don't know if mp3s are the same as a tangible basketball, and the mp3 doesn't go away once you download it, but doesn't it belong to somebody else who is the one who should have the right to decide who gets to copy it for free?
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| 266 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 481131813 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 14:03
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you are the guys who took this issue way too far. trying too compare it too cheating and other stuff
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| 267 | Nature Boy
ID: 15053315 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 14:51
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#259 well mr. blue hen, I am neither stupid nor slow. When I posted "will the real youngbuck please come forward" that was over 8 hours from my last post as I was at work. FYI-My nephew comes over sometimes to use my PC & he was actually the one that discovered the multiple I.D.'s because I could really care less. It's rather ironic that you are labeled a "Leader" when you consistently manifest lack of leadership through your choice of words. "Either you're really stupid or you're really slow." I believe that was uncalled for & rather offensive.
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| 268 | blue hen, almighty Leader
ID: 34937217 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 15:10
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Wooo! Nature boy wants to get into it.
First of all, you are both stupid and slow. Those facts were revealed long before you discovered the IDs. I made no assertion that I was not blue hen. I simply changed the name listed. Even an utter imbecile knows that "YOUNGBUCK" will never have Leader next to his name. Imagine if he sold the basketball and used the money to become a Guru patron!
Second of all, Mr. Nature Boy, I am indeed a Leader, in the Rotoguru community and in the world. You yourself have followed me many times. Get over yourself, please.
Third, for YOUNGBUCK. I have a friend with the Sonics and he said that if I could provide your name or other info, he'd press charges. Ordinarily, they don't care about missing basketballs, but he took exception to your remorseless posts right here in this thread. I recommend not posting any personal info at any time on these boards. And it might do you some good to delete all your posts to make it more difficult to trace the IP address.
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| 269 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 15:14
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shut up almighty, ur a little b*tch
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| 270 | biliruben Sustainer
ID: 3502218 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 15:20
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Chuckle. You aren't making yourself too popular with the pre-teen crowd, BH.
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| 271 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 381021414 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 15:23
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hee hee. Don't mess with the Hen.
pd
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| 272 | Bungers
ID: 4406915 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 15:24
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Some suggestions to impress the youngsters: Britney, almighty??? Barney, almighty???
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| 273 | Shelby-villian
ID: 261146232 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 15:29
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Blue Hen, I would gladly forgive you for all the times you've annoyed me with your useless and inane posts if you could get the Sonics to press charges against Youngbuck.
LOL, that would be the funniest rotoguru moment ever.
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| 274 | rockafellerskank Donor
ID: 4801799 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 15:44
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YOUNGBUCK: Poster's IP: 198.104.0.100
(from the original post) I don't have time to track it now, but may do some looking tonight.
rfs
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| 275 | biliruben Sustainer
ID: 3502218 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 15:48
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Given we know Youngbuck is a rich, computer geek with little respect for money:
The search should probably start on the East Side - my guess is Redmond suburbs. ;)
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| 276 | Rafi
ID: 21024815 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 15:50
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You guyz are really gay.
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| 277 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 381021414 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 15:53
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And that's a bad thing?
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| 278 | Raise the Roof Donor
ID: 2801330 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 15:57
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This whole thread is lame.
RE: Wow's post 239
Good point. I think the majority of us have MP3 files on our computers. Then, wouldn't it be a little hypocritical to preach the virtues of christianity?
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| 279 | Bungers
ID: 4406915 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 15:57
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Please don't tell my wife and kids!
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| 280 | Raise the Roof Donor
ID: 2801330 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 15:59
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I'm not justifying his actions, rather questioning our role in telling him what is right and wrong - let him find out for himself.
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| 281 | Bungers
ID: 4406915 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 16:00
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I meant about the gay, not the MP3s. Like PD I am clean there...don't do the MP3 things. My wife buys me CDs...or maybe she steals them from the sound system people at Sonics games...hmmm...better check her IP addy tonite ;)
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| 282 | Pilewort Donor
ID: 369101914 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 16:02
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naw, jesus never said copyright infringement was a sin, or even that it was stealing.
Rafi, ok, then I suggest the search team nominate you to canvas Capitol hill.
Given: Perm Dude is the only one with the integrity to be on the review board. Have you ever seen Perm Dude and Jesus in the same room?
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| 283 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 381021414 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 16:15
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Actually, Jesus is inside my chest like the alien dude in Total Recall.
pd
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| 286 | Pilewort Donor
ID: 369101914 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 16:48
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Youngbuck
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| 287 | JCS
ID: 4411441714 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 16:51
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lol pilewort..For a moment, i was actually wondering what this thing was, and then i thought about the name 'youngbuck' and everything became clear :-)
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| 288 | biliruben Sustainer
ID: 3502218 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 16:54
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I didn't realize that Youngbuck was actually one of the dreaded and deadly jackalopes!
I must treat him with new respect, or risk the consquences!
Think how hard it must have been to steal that basketball with those little teeny paws. The getaway on the other hand, was a snap.
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| 289 | blue hen, almighty Leader
ID: 34937217 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 17:06
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That's not a jackalope... it's a highly evolved specimen of the eboon species.
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| 290 | MajicFaker
ID: 221012613 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 17:12
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Pilewort,
That's the funniest thing I've seen in this thread!
Oh by the way, No MP3's here either. I have to side with Metalica on that whole Napster issue. But I see your point. Again however, I don't think anyone here is claiming perfection, Like I said before, stealing the ball was worng, but in the grand scheme of things, not the worst crime ever committed. My point is that bragging about it, and then trying to defend it is far worse than stealling the ball in the first place, especially since he obviously knows it was wrong. Again, like I said before, if YB thought it was okay then why did he hide the ball under his coat and sneak off to his seat? Why did he give the ball back the first time, only to "hope" for a second chance when no one would be looking?
In the spirit of the hostilities of this thread, I have a question. Who would win? the fierce Blue hen, or Young Buck as shown in #286? Now there's a pay per view event!
Majic
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| 291 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 14058918 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 19:06
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and you guys are calling me immature? you are a bunch of faggets.
you trying to press charges on me? ha, that's is hella funny, I would like too see that happen!!!
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| 292 | Micheal
ID: 5815241 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 19:13
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YOUNGBUCK
When insulting people you have to make sure your spelling is correct. It's faggot, unless your calling blue hen a bundle of sticks, then it would be fagot or also faggot.
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| 293 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 14058918 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 19:20
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but when it is plural it's faggets.
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| 294 | PGunn
ID: 16015811 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 19:26
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Only 7 posts from 300. Might as well keep it going.
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| 295 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 14058918 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 19:27
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yeah, why not.
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| 296 | Micheal
ID: 5815241 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 19:28
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Nope, it's faggots.
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| 297 | TyMing
ID: 41155294 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 19:29
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They should archive this thread into the internet hall of the Smithsonian.
I never thought breaking a commandment would be something to be proud of. ROFLMAO!!!
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| 298 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 14058918 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 19:30
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but that doesn't show when it is in plural form.
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| 299 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 14058918 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 19:33
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Iam not proud becuase I stole. iam proud of what I stole you idiot!
ROFMLAO THAT!!!
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| 300 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 6033919 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 19:34
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I'm a moron. It is faggots. Jeez.
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| 301 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 6033919 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 19:35
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There I go screwing up again, it's because. Man I must've taken a stupid pill today.
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| 302 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 258492618 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 19:39
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No, you took one just before the game. It's just a long-lasting pill.
:)
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| 303 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 14058918 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 19:41
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sperm dude you are a major fagget!!!
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| 304 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 6033919 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 19:43
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Damnit, stop using my name and making me look like a moron. It's faggot.
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| 305 | TyMing
ID: 41155294 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 20:20
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No one needs to make you look like a moron because you're doing that fine on your own. And that whole commandment thing is something someone ELSE said that I was laughing at... dumbass.
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| 306 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 6033919 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 20:23
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Shut up tyming. Nobody asked for your opinion.
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| 307 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 20:33
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#268 blue hen On the contrary I don't want to get into it with you-I never did. I agree that those facts probably were revealed before (my nephew) discovered the multiple I.D.'s. How am I both stupid & slow when I was at work while all of this nonsense was going on? I arrived home shortly after 2:00 AM Eastern this morning & after my nephew pointed it out to me I told him to go ahead & say something about it. That's it I really was too tired from work to really give a sh-t! The following is directly quoted from previous posts re:forum standards & abusive messages "all users are welcome to post messages as long as they are not profane or abusive. Gurupies are usually very willing share their opinions and offer help. But we try to do it in a way that helps everyone learn." "- If you disagree with someone's opinion or comment, express your disagreement without personal attacks. When you include statements like "You moron", many will immediately discount the message you are trying to deliver." "- Don't impersonate other users." "- Don't carry on artificial conversations with yourself, under different names. Again, this is easily and quickly detected." Calling someone stupid I believe is a form of a personal attack & furthermore I have never insulted anyone like that on this forum. I was really enjoying this forum as I just recently had the free time to check it out & was planning on donating some $$. I'm not so sure now. I apologize if I have ever offended anyone on this forum. Thanks for your time.
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| 308 | biliruben Sustainer
ID: 3502218 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 20:39
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Nature Boy - Don't sweat it. Folks who've been around for a bit know that being insulting and rude is just BH's schtick. He that way with everyone, so don't take it personally.
It's part of his charm. ;)
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| 309 | Nature Boy
ID: 341154191 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 20:54
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Thanks for the info biliruben-I'll try & take your advice.
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| 310 | BlackMagicBaller
ID: 568312917 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 20:56
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Chooga-Chooga....next stop 400?
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| 311 | Micheal
ID: 5815241 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 20:56
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Why do you tolerate it from blue hen but no one else?
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| 312 | biliruben Sustainer
ID: 3502218 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 21:01
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Because when we get pissing with BH, gamecast suddenly ceases to work. ;)
As with flesh and blood people, familiarity breeds tolerance and understanding.
If, for instance, someone came on and called everyone dumbasses all day, but were otherwise helpful and funny, you would take being called a dumbass in stride after a while. ;)
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| 313 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 6033919 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 21:07
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Blue Hen just better not mess w/ me again. I won't kiss up to him.
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| 314 | Micheal
ID: 5815241 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 21:08
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I see. I guess I can accept that, but he's not really that funny.
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| 315 | biliruben Sustainer
ID: 3502218 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 21:09
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Actually, I don't think he's just messing with you, Youngbuck. He really does know some folks with the Sonics.
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| 316 | Mr. Nice Guy
ID: 421124113 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 21:09
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Enough is enough. Why can't we get along? Sure there are disputes and arguments, but it's gone too far imo. Let's just try to work this out.
Hey we're all friends (and gurupies) here!
:-)
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| 317 | rockafellerskank Donor
ID: 359283123 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 21:14
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YOUNGBUCK: Is "Verio" your Internet Service Provider?
rfs
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| 318 | rockafellerskank Donor
ID: 359283123 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 21:29
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Well, look like YOUNGBUCK is at a King County Library. I'm not having any luck getting any closer. http://www.kcls.org/kcls/liblist.html
rfs
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| 319 | TyMing
ID: 41155294 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 22:15
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YoungBuck you're in the running for moron of the year and no one asked YOU for your dumbass "stealing of a basketball" account. Go play with your Pokemon cards kid.
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| 320 | KnicksFan Donor
ID: 131102221 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 22:32
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Let's use GPS to get a live view of his house.
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| 321 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 51045922 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 22:50
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good work rfs.
thing is I re-routed my internet server through the king county library too throw you of in your hunt to find were I am.
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| 322 | KnicksFan Donor
ID: 131102221 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 22:53
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America's Most Wanted: 1. Osama Bin Laden 2. YOUNGBUCK
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| 323 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 8058922 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 22:59
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I can't believe everyone is against me now just because I stole a basketball and was happy about it!!!!
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| 324 | The Balrog
ID: 55059823 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 23:08
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And YOUNGBUCKaloupe thought GP Sucked?
Problem is...he is reveling in all of this negative attention.
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| 325 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 8058922 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 23:10
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WRONG balrog I said he sucked because he didn't sign a autograph, not sucked as in basketball skils! you dumbass.
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| 326 | rockafellerskank Donor
ID: 359283123 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 23:15
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YOUNGBUCK:
you get around alot....
Academic Computing Center 3737 Brooklyn NE Seattle, WA 98105 US
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| 327 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 46012923 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 23:18
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were the hell did you get that adress? that is completly wrong. ha ha ha ha!!!! keep trying
by the way wrong zip code buddy!!!
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| 328 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 46012923 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 23:19
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I have never heard The academic computing center in my entire life!!!
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| 329 | TF
ID: 5510373016 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 23:30
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hey d*psh*t by saying wrong zip code in your previous message, you are giving away the fact that you might actually be at the Computing Center. Add that to the fact that you inserted a guilty "oh ya, i've never heard of that place" right after the first dumb post...weird since you claimed to have routed your path through the library system and should know where you routed it through. i think rfs actually did something here. you are pretty dumb. haha
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| 330 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 46012923 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 23:30
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any luck rfs?
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| 331 | The Balrog
ID: 55059823 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 23:32
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"dumbass"?
That's fresh,comeing from an admitted skulking and cowardly thief.
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| 332 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 46012923 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 23:33
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i have nothing to hide. I know he can't find me!!!
by the way you are the dip sh!t, you c*ck sucker!!!!
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| 333 | TF
ID: 5510373016 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 23:35
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haha, so you admitted that i was right? haha here's how we catch you. rockafella skank calls the computing center tells them someone on the computers has admitted to committing larceny at a seattle game. then ask their sysop to take a look and see which computers have accessed rotoguru. find the one you are at, call seattle supersonics. game over. looks like you'll be the c*ocksucker in jail. little man
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| 334 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 46012923 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 23:36
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did I admit that I was in the computer center? are you dumb?
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| 336 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 46012923 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 23:37
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OK DO THAT!!! SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN
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| 337 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 46012923 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 23:38
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I'LL BE HERE FOR ANOTHER 30 MINUETS COME GET ME!!!
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| 338 | TF
ID: 5510373016 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 23:40
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cool can you give me 45? that way, you either get busted, or wait at a computer for 45minutes for absolutely nobody. damn this is just too easy. i've had enough fun. thanks for the laughs
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| 339 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 46012923 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 23:41
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that was not funny.
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| 340 | Flying Polack
ID: 191482721 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 23:43
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Like you'd tell us if you got busted anyways. You'd probably just have your brother log on and pretend to be you. This is hilarious.
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| 341 | Easily
ID: 3211432018 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 23:48
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this sh*t is too funny, i cant take it. haha he called u at coc*k sucker, im not totally against YOUNGBUCK, he seems like a good man, im serious, who cares...1 more thing, how the hell does rfs do so much, is he some kind of god.
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| 342 | rockafellerskank Donor
ID: 359283123 Wed, Jan 09, 2002, 23:57
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YOUNGBUCK:
I really don't care where you are at. I was just playing around with some IP address searches, trying to teach myself some new things.
The first location (the library) is whayt I found based on your IP address from the opening post in this thread.
The second location (the computer center) is from the IP address in a post from December by YOUNGBUCK.
I'm guessing that YOUNGBUCK uses a variety of computers from time to time. I have no desire or care to track him down. I did learn some cool stuff, so this wasn't a waste of my time. I suspect the majority of the other 300+ posts have been a waste of time.
Any Internet Guru's out there want to clue me in on how to narrow down a location further from a "block" of IP addresses controlled by an ISP down to an individual location? I got stuck there.
rfs
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| 343 | Bawler
ID: 518361923 Thu, Jan 10, 2002, 00:17
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My advice is to do a search for an under-21 gay bar in Seattle with internet access. Shouldn't be THAT many of them..
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| 344 | BlackMagicBaller
ID: 568312917 Thu, Jan 10, 2002, 01:07
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Here's a nice story about sports balls by columnist Woody Woodburn. It appeared in the Daily Breeze, a local newspaper in California.
http://www.dailybreeze.com/content/wdy/nmwoodycol6.html
Woody Woodburn: Readers' holiday charity for children really snowballed
Now for the rest of the story. Three days after Thanksgiving, I wrote a column about a young boy I had once seen who, after being awarded a basketball autographed by then-Lakers star Cedric Ceballos, wore the signature off it five minutes later on an outside asphalt court. When I asked him why he didn't put the autographed ball on display in his room, the boy replied that he had never had his own basketball to shoot with before.
I then asked you readers to see how many underprivileged boys — and girls — we could give new basketballs and soccer balls and footballs to this Christmas past.
The very next day, 14 brand new balls were dropped off at my office. It gave me hope that maybe we'd reach my secret goal of 25.
I underestimated the readers' generosity, and greatly.
Alyce Mattson sent in a check for $25 “to make my Christmas brighter by buying a nice new basketball to make Christmas brighter for some deserving child.”
Pauline Pulse also sent $25 with this note: “I am an 80-year-old widow but my love of sports has not dimin ished. I am praying that many, many balls come in.”
Judy Risner was an answer to those prayers.
Judy is a supervisor at the Redondo Beach Post Office. At a time when the anthrax scare was at a peak, Judy was worried about too many kids having a sad Christmas morning. So she and her fellow employees opened their hearts — and wallets — and then cleaned out a whole sporting goods aisle. The final tally of their special delivery was 62 basketballs, one soccer ball and four baseball-and-bat sets.
One new basketball was memorable because it wasn't delivered here. Tony Altamura e-mailed me to say that before he could drop the ball off at the Daily Breeze he heard about a needy 12-year-old boy at his church and so he gave it to him. Perfect.
A gentleman named George donated three commemorative Dodger baseballs, one of them a Rookie of the Year collectable autographed by Eric Karros, and a fourth which was a prized foul ball he had caught at a game off Raul Mondesi's bat.
“They're not doing me any good on my shelf,” George said. “I'd rather have some youngsters be able to play with them.”
And so it went. Day after day. Week after week. The ball donations flooded in.
You humbled me, readers. I made a small request and you made me feel like George Bailey in “It's A Wonderful Life.”
You showed the South Bay is Bedford Falls without snow.
Playing the role of Clarence, the angel-in-training, was Cindy Blount.
To be sure, Cindy, who works for the Lomita Parks and Recreation Department, seemed heaven sent. She organized a whole team of volunteers that included her fellow workers; Kay Rich, who owns The Firehouse Hideaway, and employee Jan King; Kevin Nagano, a volleyball coach at Torrance High and fellow teachers Gwen Nakashima and Gina Lecesse, who offered extra credit for students who brought in a ball; and Andy Radeke.
Together, Cindy's team collected 39 basketballs, 27 footballs, 23 soccer balls, three volleyballs, 34 rubber playground balls, 41 baseballs, 15 softballs, 32 golf balls and 75 tennis balls, plus 42 authentic Major League Baseball wool caps.
Their cars on delivery day looked like they had knocked off two Sports Chalets and a Big 5.
“Being able to help assist in completing the pass was heartwarming to me and made me feel like I could make just a little bit of a difference,” Cindy said. “Who knows? Maybe one of these kids who receives a ball will grow up to be a Sandy Koufax, a Michael Jordan, a Shaq, a Tiger Woods, a Dot Richardson, or better yet, a child who remembers receiving the ball and gives something back later in his or her life.”
The kids the balls went to were at the San Pedro Boys and Girls Club. The facility had two Christmas parties for nearly 900 youths . . . but only 600 presents.
Until, that is, you readers sacked The Grinch and saved the day with 127 basketballs, 31 footballs, 27 soccer balls, three volleyballs, 35 playground balls, and 64 baseballs and softballs. That's 287 balls — many of them $30 and $40 models, by the way — not even counting 107 tennis and golf balls, and the 42 baseball caps.
“The kids will be so happy,” said San Pedro Boys and Girls Club Director of Operations Alex Escandon. “Bless you.”
No, bless you readers.
In “It's A Wonderful Life,” Clarence tells George Bailey that every time you hear a bell ring an angel is getting wings.
Well. Every time you hear a ball being dribbled, that's an angel getting wings, too.
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| 345 | Lutefisker
ID: 4611152210 Thu, Jan 10, 2002, 02:05
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Libraries and places that have public use of computers usually require timed and dated logins...
just a thought
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| 346 | culdeus Donor
ID: 01155718 Thu, Jan 10, 2002, 08:57
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this and alot other show me that it looks like people are able to rlogin to this computer and mask themselves. I am going to contact the library and tell them this. WARNING THAT LINK IS VERY OFFENSIVE AND IS ONLY USED TO PROVE MY POINT. I SUGGEST YOU JUST TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.
Youngbuck, you can't hide forever. The more posts you make the easier it is for us/me to find you.
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