Forum: hoop
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Subject: VOTE: NBA All-Star Break policy

  Posted by: Bernie H. - [395452711] Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:26
I'd like to ask any interested Ultimate Fantasy Hoops players to participate in a quick vote. Should there be daily price updates during the 4 days of the NBA All-Star Break?

Please use this thread only to cast your vote. This issue has been hotly debated in the following separate thread: http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/mb/hoop/7246.shtml?1012846529.

Please vote either:
1. Yes. There should be a price update on each of the 4 days of the NBA ASB.
2. No. There will be no price updates during the 4 days of the NBA ASB.

Voting will close at the end of today, Monday, Feb. 4.

Thank you,
Bernie, TSN
 
1 Mark L
      Leader
      ID: 4444938
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:28 		1. Yes.
 
2gumby
      ID: 559211110
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:30 		no.
 
3smallwhirled
      Donor
      ID: 119491116
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:31 		no
 
4Ender
      ID: 52438315
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:32 		yes
 
5ALurker
      ID: 2210181416
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:33 		NO
 
6Pseachel
      ID: 371025167
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:33 		No
 
7Roachster
      ID: 580282914
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:35 		Yes

Because that's what the original rules stated and I think it's ridiculous we have to vote on this.

Follow YOUR own RULEs!
 
8Chris Eibling
      ID: 540593111
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:35 		YES

I do not need a break...I might die or go into shock......I am here becase I am an addict!
 
9kobewannabe
      ID: 30120410
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:40 		No
 
10PAOK BC
      ID: 421114176
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:42 		No.
 
11Dave R
      Leader
      ID: 19950318
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:44 		Yes
 
12dv8
      ID: 32101916
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:45 		yes
 
13dre
      ID: 151033914
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:45 		NO
 
14Winston
      ID: 2411241612
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:45 		yes
 
15rockafellerskank
      Donor
      ID: 111649
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:46 		YES.
 
16darkside
      Leader
      ID: 516203012
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:47 		yes
 
17SillySpheres
      ID: 551031723
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:48 		YES!
 
18Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:48 		Yes.

Unless there is a compelling reason (scheduled system maintenance, etc.), this should not even be subject to a vote at this late date.

I think there are good reasons why price changes should be suspended (and aggregated in a single change), but this should be announced well in advance of the time that people would be planning for the ASB period. Since that was not done, people should rightly be able to rely on the posted rules regardless of the outcome of this vote.

Next year, I recommend that the ASB be a moratorium period - and that this be clearly stated in the rules when the game is launched.
 
19Flying Polack
      ID: 191482721
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:52 		Why is there voting on the issue in this forum. What about the people who play Ultimate Fantasy Basketball but don't lurk here.

The fact that there's a vote is ridiculous, but the fact this vote isn't occuring on the Sporting News site is absurd.

Give me a break.
 
20PhillyTom
      ID: 5110262012
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:56 		no
 
21 dudette
      ID: 35092511
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 12:58 		yes
 
22clach
      ID: 14428817
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:00 		yes
 
23Flying Polack
      ID: 191482721
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:00 		Bernie,

How do you know if the people voting play the Ultimate game?
 
24Lutefisker
      Sustainer
      ID: 33045260
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:01 		I vote YES and ditto everything Guru said in post 18. I think an all-star break break is fine when it is stated in the original rules.

While TSN has the right to change rules in mid-stream as stated by the rules themselves... it loses validity every time it does such.

Why would a person or organization unecessarily and intentionally wish to minimize his, her or its validy?
 
25skinneej
      Sustainer
      ID: 17632210
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:02 		yes
 
26Lutefisker
      Sustainer
      ID: 33045260
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:05 		hmmmm... I have 3 teams... can I get 3 votes? ;)
 
27jedman
      Sustainer
      ID: 2702357
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:07 		YES
 
28PGunn
      ID: 3815347
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:08 		YES
 
29A. Rand
      ID: 411151517
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:12 		Yes
 
30PGunn
      ID: 3815347
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:14 		Re: post 19 and 23

Flying Pollack, this is just more evidence that the 2 guys running this game are KNUCKLEHEADS
 
31philflyboy
      Donor
      ID: 2844635
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:15 		yes
 
32blade
      ID: 2159411
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:20 		yes
 
33sandman
      ID: 53122413
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:22 		yes
 
34havenbros
      Donor
      ID: 170371814
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:24 		No.

As much as I agree with the need to abide by the rules, the proposed change is an improvement in every conceivable respect. If someone's price is going to change over the break, why do we want those changes to happen 5 times? TSN should have realized this was coming several weeks ago, especially since they've done it for baseball and hockey, and given everyone ample notice. But I still think the net benefit of the change outweighs the principle at stake.
 
35MyLakers
      ID: 345282521
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:31 		Yes, because thats the rule, the rule is wrong, but it is the rule, ask the patriots about this kind of thing.
 
36Farn
      ID: 171128623
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:34 		YES
 
37allhair allstars
      Sustainer
      ID: 52112514
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:36 		Yes
 
38Gaborn
      ID: 121127123
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:41 		YES.
 
39James K Polk
      ID: 4455731
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:44 		Yes.

I would honestly prefer to have the time off during the break, but I think you've got to stick with the rules as they were stated to maintain credibility.
 
40DR Stars
      ID: 162592010
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:53 		Yes
 
41blackjackis21
      Donor
      ID: 239432515
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:53 		yes
 
42Padkee
      Leader
      ID: 117381414
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:54 		Yes. I, too, would rather have the time off but, unlike records, rules are NOT made to be broken.
 
43CanEHdian Pride
      ID: 426351415
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 13:58 		I say yes or the whining and complaining over the most ridiculous issues will never stop. Save yourselves the headaches fellas and just leave the game as it is eventhough it is your right to change it.
 
44soggybottomboys
      ID: 451162511
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 14:00 		YES

Ditto for me.....post 39 JKPolk
 
45KnicksFan
      Donor
      ID: 1512414
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 14:02 		yes
 
46wiggs
      ID: 810271513
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 14:04 		yes
 
47Jupiter
      ID: 531091518
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 14:05 		KNOW
 
48culdeus
      Donor
      ID: 46046416
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 14:08 		yes, not like there will be tons of trading anyways.
 
49Tosh
      Donor
      ID: 1511542010
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 14:09 		yes
 
50Duke
      Donor
      ID: 1710551523
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 14:18 		yes
 
51Kirk
      ID: 4757111
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 14:18 		YES.
 
52Blooki @ class
      ID: 36122414
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 14:23 		Yes.
 
53Addicted@work
      ID: 240213110
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 14:47 		yes
 
54E'ville
      Leader
      ID: 29017810
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 15:08 		No. I would hate to see 4 more days of gravity.
 
55Y2JS
      ID: 48312723
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 15:19 		Yes
 
56Bob
      ID: 41021518
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 15:25 		1. Yes. There should be a price update on each of the 4 days of the NBA ASB.
 
58Hillbilly Delight
      Donor
      ID: 491221
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 15:41 		1. Yes

It is now Monday (4th). The new change in strategy would occur on Friday. The other players not using this forum will probably not have a clue until tomorrow when you announce it once new trades are distributed, so I guess you should keep daily price updates during the ASB.
 
59Memphis Fan
      ID: 341015260
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 16:02 		yes =)
 
60rage_22
      Donor
      ID: 490311415
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 16:03 		Yes.
 
61VIDevilRays
      Leader
      ID: 22046168
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 16:12 		yes.
 
62Bloody Geoff
      ID: 1111461119
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 17:15 		Bernie, I am getting concerned about a couple of things. One - why do you put so much value on what is written in this forum? It is a minority of TSN players and with the treatment you get from some of them I am surprised you reply at all let alone seek their input in ratifying decisions. Two - when will the announcement appear on the TSN web page? I have not seen any word of it except for on this forum. Personally I don't care what happens over ASB but you must tell everyone not just the few hundred who use this forum.
 
63Tim G
      Donor
      ID: 2310311617
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 17:18 		Yes
 
64ALurker
      ID: 2210181416
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 17:26 		Bloody Geoff hit the nail right on the head!
 
65RacerX
      ID: 341154191
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 17:42 		NO! & the same goes for my brother Speed. We need a break to work on the Mach 5.
 
66republic
      ID: 130542517
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 17:46 		yes
 
67Bernie H.
      ID: 395452711
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 18:00 		Okay. There are obviously a lot more Yes's than No's. In this case, although it runs counter to our original decision, we are going to process the daily price updates during the Break, since that's what's implied in our rules.

An announcement will be made on the site immediately.

Bloody Geoff, regardless of how we're treated or what the relative percentage of all users is here, we greatly respect the opinions of all RotoGuru.com patrons. If we could poll every one of our users, we would, but otherwise, the people here always give us ample and timely feedback.

Thanks,
Bernie, TSN
 
68MO
      ID: 500441721
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 20:09 		Yes
 
69Dave R
      Leader
      ID: 10035120
      Mon, Feb 04, 2002, 20:28 		Bernie, excellant decision, and I understand the input you desire from this forum. I would hope its only used as a guide because as BG stated, we represent only a fraction of your customers.
 
70Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Tue, Feb 05, 2002, 10:44 		Let me add that this is not a democracy -- it's a dictatorship. Ultimately, Bernie and I are comfortable making decisions that represent TSN and the best interests of the games. HOWEVER, we often feel that Gurupies -- the most loyal of our players -- have the best reads on how our decisions will affect them. So, while the voices on this board represent a fraction of our total audience, they seem to be most articulate and passionate about our games, which is why we take them so seriously.

-ESB
 
71DR Stars
      ID: 162592010
      Tue, Feb 05, 2002, 10:51 		Erik, you shouldn't throw around the word dictatorship in here, at least were I come from that's not a very good thing...
 
72Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Tue, Feb 05, 2002, 10:55 		DR Stars:

Apologies, it was meant for rhetorical purposes only. Would you be more comfortable with the term Republic? Or perhaps the TSN Kingdom? Seriously, was not trying to offend.

-ESB
 
73DR Stars
      ID: 162592010
      Tue, Feb 05, 2002, 11:35 		It's ok, I just think that by saying "This is not a democracy but we're trying very hard to include your input in all our decisions.", at least in my case, I wouldn't have had a bad feeling when reading your post.
 
74Erik B.
      ID: 239592612
      Tue, Feb 05, 2002, 11:37 		Again, sorry.
 
75ALurker
      ID: 2210181416
      Tue, Feb 05, 2002, 12:40 		If a roster is invalid during ASB due to players traded and slots not yet filled, do the remaining players on the team continue to see price changes, or is that team's value frozen until the roster is valid again? If this is answered elsewhere, I'd appreciate a link. Thanks.
 
76rockafellerskank
      Donor
      ID: 01359
      Tue, Feb 05, 2002, 12:55 		ALurker, Yes. The remaining players on your roster will fluctuate up/down w/ price movers.

rfs
 
77ALurker
      ID: 2210181416
      Tue, Feb 05, 2002, 13:00 		rfs, Thanks, much appreciated.
 
78skrumped
      ID: 3410331915
      Tue, Feb 05, 2002, 13:01 		YES
 
79Ref
      ID: 28045169
      Fri, Feb 08, 2002, 10:27 		I posted my thoughts on it in the other thread, but to sum up--there should NOT be repricings during the break.
 
80 Mark L
      Leader
      ID: 4444938
      Fri, Feb 08, 2002, 10:35 		Well, now that it is clear that I'm likely to lose $$ if I hold Webber over the break, I want to change my vote.

"I really didn't mean to vote for Buchanan! Honest!"