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Subject: Ultimate Hoops Rosters [UPDATED]

Posted by: Hang Time - [27922621] Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 16:43

The other Ultimate Hoops Roster thread is getting a bit too cluttered and off topic. I think it is important that people get back to the discussion at hand: rosters (good or bad?).

Here's mine:

G: Maggette, Corey
G: Hamilton, Richard (might need to change)
G: Russell, Bryon (might need to change)
G: Alexander, Courtney (might need to change)
F: Garnett, Kevin
F: Webber, Chris
F: Miles, Darius
F: Gooden, Drew
C: Stepania, Vladimir
C: Collins, Jarron

Fire away!

Logan47474
ID: 35882411
Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 17:14

Hang Time--

I'm usually a lurker here, but this season I'd like to make a big run in my division. So I'm trying on different season-starting philosophies for size. I see from your roster that you've taken the "heavy on the forwards", but that you have mediocre guards, instead of any heavies. Can you rationalize this for me? And also, what do you have left, cash-wise, after these selections?

Thanks,
Logan47474

Rubalamp
ID: 6615911
Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 17:44

Generally, I dislike the idea of showing my cards early, but I have learned that most people do not see things the same anyway, so even if I am convinced this is the best possible squad, I doubt many would agree...so here is my opening day squad barring injury or a simple change of heart...

G: Jason Kidd, Cory Maggette, Marko Jaric, Emmanuel Ginobili
F: Kevin Garnett, Chris Webber, Grant Hill, Drew Gooden
C: Jelani McCoy, Mark Blount

JCS
ID: 2393814
Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 18:06

I think you've a very nice roster Rubalamp. Since you divulgated the Jaric pick, I might as well post my roster too. My 3 rosters are all very similar to each other except for one or two guys, here's my favourite one as of today, will probably change tomorrow.

G: McGrady, Bryant, Jaric, Ginobili
F: Garnett, Webber, K.Brown, Radmanovic
C: Collins, Woods

It's called Xtreme Barbelling. All cheapies are scheduled to stay from 3 weeks (Brown) to more than a month (Ginobili). Hoping to spend my trades in the first 3 weeks only for stud swapping.

Hang Time
ID: 27922621
Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 18:44

Re #1 (Logan47474):

The only reason I'm likely to go heavy forward is because the forwards seem a lot more consistent to me than the guards. There are many more guards that you can buy cheap and will perform moderately well.

Logan47474
ID: 35882411
Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 20:03

(Re: #3)
JCS--I see why one would want to do this, schedule-wise, but what does "Xtreme Barbelling" get you? Is it to gain points or to build roster value? Or both? I guess maybe the question I'm trying to ask is: what is the marketing rationale for this?

And Hang Time--just for conversation's sake, why not take it to extremes? Why wouldn't you want to have the four best stud forwards on a rotating cycle (and maybe one other stud), and all $500k players otherwise?

Pardon my ignorance, I'm rather new to this. And thanks for your input.

Logan47474
ID: 35882411
Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 20:13

BTW, FWIW, here's what I'm considering--I'd appreciate your thoughts or flames:

G: Francis
G: Mo Peterson
G: Ginobili
G: Giricek
F: Mashburn
F: Hill
F: Webber
F: Gooden
C: Nowitzki
C: Ming

I based this roster on the theory that I wouldn't touch it for a while (maybe 3 weeks or so), to build strength in trades. I realize that some of these players (i.e. Francis) don't have the best of schedules, but shouldn't this even out in the long run, especially if it leaves me with lots of trades?

Samuli
ID: 3296416
Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 20:15

Extreme barbelling aims for maximum points/money -combination, with the studs racking up the guaranteed points and the scru...eh...cheapies attracting masses with a projected good night or two. Going with midrange weaponry is problematic in that they don't hold the explosion-potential of the top-tiers nor do their prices sky-rocket as easily as the cheapies'. Of course, a good draft is the alpha and omega of all roster strategies, so barbelling is not a lock to bring you an advantage over the next guy who goes exclusively with the Allan Houstons of this world.

qwert
ID: 29121518
Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 20:18

g: kobe, Tmac, B Jackson, jaric or coles/palacio (whichever one is starting)
f: Webber, Hilario, Gooden, K Brown
c: McCoy, J'Oneal

As of right now, I plan to rotate stud F/Cs, always having nowitzki, wallace or j'oneal

TwoPumps
ID: 21058102
Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 20:22

The guys that have Jaric on your roster...how much playing time do you think he will be getting with DRE infront of him...I figure DRE gets 40 a night...only about 10-15 for Jaric at the point

Samuli
ID: 3296416
Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 20:26

Jaric will also get his share of minutes @ 2 and even 3, at least while Odom is out.

PGunn
ID: 33961411
Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 21:50

Logan47474 you have to pay more attention to the schedule. Houston players are absolute NO's to start the season. As are Miami players. They have the worst schedules in the league. So you have to get rid of Francis and Ming.

Mo Peterson has been a disappointing fantasy player for the last few years.

Ginobili hasn't even played a game for San Antonio yet so it is questionable how many minutes he is going to get.

Giricek is going to be playing behind Dickerson and Wesley Person so he is probably not that great of a pick.

Hate to tear apart your team but you asked for thoughts. :)

BTW, I agree with TwoPumps about Jaric, I can't see him getting many minutes unless Piatkowski gets his minutes cut.

IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621
Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 22:08

kwame brown looking good again tonight......so marc jackson and the same for okur......3 relatively cheap players to look.....

Blinky
ID: 199151510
Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 22:50

this is my team so far:

G: arenas
G: b. jackson
G: hudson
G: ?
F: KG
F: Kwame Brown
F: CWeb
F: ?
C: S. Walker
C: Marc Jackson

thinking seriously about McCoy instead of Walker so i could probably have another stud.

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 22:59

Ok guys, I am sure you remember me. I was here last year voicing my opinion night in and night out about how my players are doing and how much $ I had gained. As you know, I trailed off at the end of the season...need I say more? LoL. I am ready for a FULL season this year. Well actually this is the FIRST day I am actually looking at basketball. I tried to hold off as long as possible so I could focus on winning some $600 on football in TSN and CBS games.

I just had to say...I don't even know some of the players you guys are talking about (i.e. Post #2...2 cheap guards and others)! LoL...I have a little catching up to do.

I will try and put together a rough roster of course and get some opinions on it ASAP.

THK

Janitor
ID: 149501521
Tue, Oct 15, 2002, 23:53

I notice alot of people have Gooden on their roster. I wonder how good a preseason he would be having if Pau Gasol was playing.

IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621
Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 00:03

damn, i can't really pass a 5 games week for cweb, duncan, garnett, tmac or kobe......but i can't have all of them.....mmmmmhhhh it seems like if i have to sacrifice kobe and go with a bounch of cheapies.......
and this strategy seems the best to me, even because i would be able to catch money trains..... or at least the cheap trains......
still 2 weeks to go, and i'm already in an "all day long" self discussion......

PGunn
ID: 33961411
Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 00:32

Lazio, they don't have 5 game weeks. They have 5 games in 8 days. Portland has the first 5 game week (2nd week). Portland also has the best schedule for the first 15 days of the season (9 games). 13 teams have 8 games for the first 15 days of the season.

Lutefisker
Sustainer
ID: 5181119
Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 00:35

Sounds alot like my lineups Lazio...

I think that I am going with Kobe,Garnett, Webber, Duncan and whoever

Gary
ID: 26930716
Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 00:37

Does anyone know where I can find the projected starters? Thanks

The Velvet Smog
ID: 5285182
Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 00:49

Gary,
You could try here.

This is the first time i have looked at it, anyone else have any opinions about it..?

http://www.sportfanatics.net/Basketball.htm

JCS
ID: 2393814
Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 06:37

Re #5 - just like Samuli said, I couldn't have said it better myself. Get some studs who'll provide you their usual 45 SWP 8 times out of 10 and get some cheapies you want to keep for an extended period of time who you expect to average somewhere around 25 SWP/g with the occasional 40 SWP outburst.

Samuli - will you be playing the Ultimate game finally? EuroGurupies division is open for you if you decide to play.

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 16:27

I notice alot of people have Gooden on their roster. I wonder how good a preseason he would be having if Pau Gasol was playing.

I still think Gooden will get a good 20-30 minutes. Gooden played center last night, and Gasol has been rumored to have gained weight and will be able to play some center as well. After DGoods showing in the preseason I don't think the Grizz will let him rot. But I bet the Sto-Show gets put on hold, and Wright loses some minutes as well.

qwert
ID: 29121518
Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 17:11

PGunn

GS and Minnesota both have 5 game weeks in week 1 and if you count games from the 29th, then all the people Lazio mentioned do too (which makes sense, since so few teams play on the 29th).

leggestand
ID: 501029817
Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 17:13

Has anyone thought of taking Kurt Thomas? I was thinking he should get solid touches with Mcdyess out, and the Knicks hurting for scorers (until Spreewell comes back).

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 17:27

leggestand:

KT is too high in my mind. Afterall, he was playing by himself most of last year too. I don't think the loss of Spree will help KTs numbers that much.

IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621
Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 18:35

what's wrong with marc jackson? he passed from a very nice option at center to a useless player....
which role will he have this year? preseason's numbers an quite good, but it's only the preseason......so?

The Collenium
ID: 38922223
Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 18:43

I think Marc Jackson is gonna see better minutes. He didn't play much last season for GSW becasue he had a falling out with the coach and owner. But I'm betting Minnesota gives him a chance and he'll make them glad they did.

Bob
ID: 478422620
Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 19:36

So far...here are some of the people I am considering...

G - Kobe or McGrady
G - Arenas ( seems decent at the point with 5 games in 7 days for the first week )
G - Bonzi ( decent 2 week schedule )
G - ? maybe Troy Hudson

F - ? maybe Jordan / Kwame Brown
F - TurkeyGlue
F - ? maybe Samaki Walker
F - Gooden ( even with Gasol playing alongside...there too much hype because of his monster numbers ..and a decent schedule for the first 2 weeks )

C - Jarron Collins ( decent schedule for the first 3 weeks along with Ostertag out...should be playing more minutes )
C - ?

I will probably rearrange more to accomodate a higher cost player for the $$$.

PGunn
ID: 599361321
Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 20:30

The point I was trying to make QWert is that you can't just ignore the first nite of the season. 6 teams play on 10/29.

Dave R
Leader
ID: 12441623
Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 21:30

I don't think Kurt Yhomas is a good choice at this point, he's much higher priced than his bargain basement price last year.

NY's sched is OK thru 11/12, then goes into the toilet.

I'd look elsewhere

Dave R
Leader
ID: 12441623
Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 21:30

And I cant type either, that was Thomas

IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621
Wed, Oct 16, 2002, 21:52

pgunn, i considered the 1st night as part of the 1st week, since almost everybody are planning their trades considering that date as the 1st to be worth a trade move......anyway, 1 day should mean a lot in your rotation, expecially at the start, when you really don't want to loose a step.....

The Collenium
ID: 38922223
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 00:31

I think Ginobelli is going to be really good, but is he going to get enough playing time at the beginning of the season to make having him worthwhile?

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 01:43

Lazio:

I think Marc Jackson will rot again. My gut tells me Woods is going to see more minutes, he's on my squad right now. :)

Kings Fan
ID: 51335283
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 02:13

G Bryant, Kobe LAL
G Billups, Chauncey DET
G Jackson, Bobby SAC
G Hudson, Troy ORL
F Webber, Chris SAC
FC Wallace, Ben DET
F Gooden, Drew MEM
F Radmanovic, Vladimir SEA
C Jackson, Marc MIN
C McCoy, Jelani LAL

If I may borrow a phrase from another thread...
Correct me if I'm wrong

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 02:16

McCoy isn't a Laker. =)

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 02:17

.. Hudson isnt in Orlando.

Blinky
ID: 28920170
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 02:26

Jackson, Bobby G
Hudson, Troy G
Palacio, Milt G (or Coles depend who starts)
Bryant, Kobe G
Garnett, Kevin F
Brown, Kwame F
Webber, Chris F
Hill, Grant F
McCoy, Jelani C
Jackson, Marc C

Please fire away! I'm thinking Hill may be a bit of a gamble but he seems to have his first step back.

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 02:32

I think there's more of a gamble in some of your other choices.

Hudson hasnt been playing well in preseason, and i read that he is having alot of trouble adjusting in minn.

Milt/Coles, if youve seen their numbers in preseason.. you should be concerned. They're both question marks as far as talent goes and they've shown that in preseason by throwing up single digit TSNP games, including a .5 by one of them.. can't remember which. They're also alternating between nights. Id stay away.

Kwame, Well, he's looked good, but again, its preseason he didn't get a bit of time last year. And this year they actually have MORE talent in WAS. So why would he see the light of day now? Or at least consistant minutes? Most of the WAS starters havnt played in preseason at ALL.

Marc Jackson, hasnt been great in preason, and his other friend Woods has actually put up better numbers. Between Nester/Woods/Marc i think Jackson will be the odd man out. If he does get time, it wont be much.

But then again, what do I know.. I could be wrong.

Blinky
ID: 28920170
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 02:39

thanks memphis fan

you made good points, both palacio and coles are career backups and i can see them split time equally. And Miles is only legit finisher on the team. I was thinking Jaric or Welsch at cheap G and have Arenas instead of Hudson.

And i could have Madmanovic instead of Kwame, which is a safer bet afterall.

Yea i agree the center position at Minn is still a mess. Rasho only played 9 minutes. Hope one of them go down soon then it'll be more clear.

Y2JS
ID: 8824238
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 09:11

Here is one of a million roster idea's, but this seems like a very interesting strategy....

Mcgrady
Welsch
Ginobili
Satterfield/Crawford/Giricek etc...

Garnett
Webber
Duncan
Gooden

McCoy
Blount

Going with 3 large forwards like KG/Cwebb/TD are a guaranteed large amount of point production but there are a variety of problems with this roster. Duncan starts with a 5 in 8 but then sees 3 straight days off with which I could move to Dirk for 2 games then back to TD. I would have to miss any possible forward trains (Miles, Hill) since i'm pretty much locking those 3. Also a problem at the 4th guard spot and the center position. Just thought it was pretty interesting on the amount of games per forward slot of the big 3 you can have through the first 4-5 weeks of the season

albo222
Donor
ID: 541025107
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 10:46

Is anyone out there putting any money into the center position? I'm looking to go cheap and spend the big bucks elsewhere.
Right now I'm leaning towards Marc Jackson and Collins on Utah.

albo222
Donor
ID: 541025107
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 11:06

Is anyone out there planning to spend any decent money on the center position? Just about every roster I've seen has cheap centers, which is the way I also plan to go. Right now I'm leaning towards Marc Jackson(min) and Collins(uta).

albo222
Donor
ID: 541025107
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 11:13

Sorry about the double post but the self-edit doesn't seem to be working.

Hang Time
ID: 27922621
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 12:52

I'm going cheapie at Center too. Step and Collins (UTAH) at this point. I just hope they average 17.5 - 20 TNSP/GAME. That's all I can hope for.

KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 3974252
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 13:30

I'm looking at Shawn Bradley and Collins.

Bob
ID: 478422620
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 14:32

For Cheapie Centers...like everyone else....I am leaning towards Collins and ( for now ) Marc Jackson. Collins has a decent schedule ( 4-4-4 ) and should get enough minutes with Ostertag out.

Marc Jackson is cheap and hopefully with Joe Smith somewhat injured...he will see the same amount of minutes ( about 20 minutes ) at the beginning of the regular season that he is now getting in Preseason.

For now...let's pray that Joe Smith stays injured just a little bit longer ( at least 2 weeks ) and Rasho somehow gets injured so that Marc Jackson gets more minutes!!!! ( Just Kidding )

Blinky
ID: 299541711
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 14:38

What you guys think who will produce better? Jaric or Werlsh? I see them as very similar in abilities and price, with very similar schedule. I'm picking one of them as my cheapie G but i'm not sure which one.

Bob
ID: 478422620
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 14:39

Also...I was considering Jelani McCoy as a cheapie Center to fill my roster.

He is cheap and will probably get decent minutes due to Toronto's lack of Frontcourt presense due to injuries....but decided against him because of Toronto's horrible schedule beginning in Week 2 and ongoing into Week 3 ( 3 games in 10 days ).

I guess I could trade out of him after the end of the 1st week...but thought it was a waste in trade for a player that is 500k.

gibby88@WORK
ID: 588371414
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 15:03

Actually considering DIVAC at Center...pretty pricey, but I can hold him thru the end of December.....

My other optionas are Walker and Collins....possibly Jackson.

Logan47474
ID: 35882411
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 15:22

I think we can all agree that the greatest depth postitionally is at forward. If one were to accept that fact as the case, wouldn't it be a good idea to load up on as many forwards as possible? That said, has anyone looked at putting an F/C in the C spot, such as Ben Wallace or Nowitzki (and maybe a G/F at the G spot), so that you can fully utilize all the forward spots for super-studs? This, of course, would preclude having two cheapies at Center. Anyone have a good argument against this?

Logan47474
ID: 35882411
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 15:23

That should read "positionally".

jshrauner
ID: 457412218
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 16:15

My plan right now is to have Nowitzki at center. I also have Garnett and Webber at my forward positions. Some have also placed Duncan on their teams, but I feel that good money will be made with cheap forwards such as Hilario, Radmanovic, and Gooden. I am going with two of the many cheap rookie guards. I will have to wait and see who will get the minutes before I make my decision on who to buy. I am doing the same for my cheap center. Mark Blount, Marc Jackson, and McCoy are all options. That is what I am looking at right now.

Samuli
ID: 3296416
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 16:22

My biggest counter-argument would be that, if I'm allowed to exaggerate just a little, good, potential, cheap forwards are pretty much dime a dozen, while there are definitely not too many affordably priced guards that I'd have any interest in. Having said that, stud-forwards seem to be somewhat more consistent in their production than stud-guards, racking up 45-50TSNP night in, night out, so they make for better short-term holds. Guards' production is much more volatile, i.e. if the team plays bad, guards are likely to suffer TSNP-wise. Their expolsion-potential is better, however, and over longer periods of time you are still likely to get your 45-50TSNP/a game (with the absolute studs).

Ok I kinda lost my idea here but anyway those are some things worth keeping in mind when planning your roster-strategy.

Of course, correct me if I'm wrong.

The Collenium
ID: 38922223
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 16:32

I've got four million left for two guard spots. Here is what I am considering:
Ginobelli and Hudson
Jaric and Hudson
Ginobelli and Jaric

If I go with the two cheapies, that leaves me with 3 mil left, which would give me more flexibility to hop on an early train I didn't see coming. But Hudson is tough to pass up. Any comments?

clach
ID: 31933412
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 16:45

Ginobelli?

rafi
ID: 269251618
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 18:39

whats everyones opinion on billups? Do you think he's worth his 5.6 million dollar price tag?

rafi
ID: 269251618
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 18:59

Well here's my team, I'd appreciate it if you could critize it, thanks

Guards
Kobe
Billups
Coles
Ginoboli

Forwards
Webber
Garnett
Gooden
miles

Centers
J.Cllins
Blount

Thats my team, right now I'm happy with the team, might make a couple of minor changes but other then that I like it. Tell me what you think.

qwert
ID: 29121518
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 19:18

rafi, your forwards look great

Coles is a bit of a question mark and I think McCoy will get you the same as Collins, with some serious earning potential

qwert
ID: 29121518
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 19:21

here's my revised/incomplete squad

Kobe
McGrady
Ginobili
Giricek

Webber
Gooden
-
-

J'Oneal
McCoy

I have 7.56 million left for the other 2 F spots

I was thinking about Mo Pete and Kwame or D.Miles and a cheapie

Any suggestions would be appreciated(I'd like to pick up a G/F)

highlander
ID: 79241219
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 19:22

Correct me if I'm wrong, but another reason Marc Jackson didn't not see a lot of minutes at center is his terrible defense. If anyone here has watched a preseason Minn game, maybe they can comment on how he looked at D.

Also, has anyone considered E Curry? I think he might have a breakout year.He has solid fundamentals to add to his speed!

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 19:36

Not sure...but this is a rough team...

T-Mac (for his 4 in 5) then -> Dre maybe
Billups
Welsch/Giriek/Jaric/whoever comes up
Ginobili/Giriek/Jaric/whoever comes up

Webber
Duncan
Hill (not sure) -> Miles after his 1 in 5 or something
Gooden

Mark Blount
McCoy

Not really sure...I am still very much working on it, but I am going to sit and watch some games before I move anything.

THK

rafi
ID: 269251618
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 19:37

but the problem with mccoy is, his schedule is pretty $hit after the first week, so I dont wanna trade him cuz it would be wasting a trade? So I dunno what to really do.

PGunn
ID: 139161620
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 19:45

Do you GINOBILI fans know that he didn't even know how to check into the game the other nite? Popovich told him to go in and he just stood by the bench and waited. LOL. Plus he still has a sore ankle. I know he is only 500K but not sure how much he is gonna play for the first few months at least.

Bob
ID: 478422620
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 20:02

Collenium: I was thinking of Hudson at first. However, it would seem that Hudson does somewhat decent...but like everyone else....only when he plays enough minutes. Isn't he splitting minutes with Anthony Peeler at the PG position? For $3.8 mil for Hudson, I would wait and see. His production seems erratic at times....he produces good TSN points one day and then mediocre TSN points the next ( of course this is in the preseason ).

I would consider Jaric, looking at the Clippers scheduled games ( 3-4-4-4 ) and depending on how the injury bug plays out in Clipper land at the beginning of the season. It seems half the entire roster is out for some reason or another...which could translate into playing time and TSN points for Jaric.

For Ginobili....I will reserve judgement. I think he has only played 1 game in preseason...which isn't enough to gauge whether he will do good or whether he will play enough minutes to rack up them TSN points. Unless he starts putting up them rookie stats ( like what Gasol did last year ), I'm not touching him in the first 2 weeks ( because of the Spur's schedule ). Maybe by week 3...we can get a better idea about how he will do after getting a few games under his belt and when the Spurs schedule picks up again.

Just my 2 cents...

PGunn
ID: 139161620
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 20:03

BTW, yes there are some good European players in the NBA now, but did any of them really lite it up in their first year.

clach
ID: 31933412
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 20:05

#61 Ginoboli?
pgunn: I read it. I read also that the 1st ball he touched, he dribbled Oscar Torres, then pass between two others opponents and finish with a reverse dunk.
17swp in 17' in his 1st Nba experience with a sore ankle
Correct me if I'm wrong

PGunn
ID: 139161620
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 20:13

Clach maybe he doesn't get 17 minutes once the season starts. 17 minutes is alot of time for an NBA rookie. All I'm saying is that it's too early to tell on some of these EURO guys. I may start the season with all NBA veterans and then jump on the EURO trains as they develop.

PGunn
ID: 139161620
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 20:14

BTW, it was a layup not a reverse dunk.

clach
ID: 31933412
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 20:21

Pgunn,
your statement is of course true in general, but not for everybody.
I think Ginobili, it doesn't matter if he'll be a starter or coming off the bench, wil get 30' minutes early in the season..then probably more.
You shouldn't consider him as a normal rookie, because he is 25 and he already won everything.
Popovich is not afraid to put rookies in the mix (remember Tony Parker) and he really loves his game which fit perfectly with a player as Tim Duncan.

PGunn
ID: 139161620
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 20:24

If he gets some serious minutes in the last 2 preseason games, I might put him on my roster.

IRRIDUCIBILI LAZIO
ID: 221441621
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 20:52

by the way Ginobili isn't European.....

PGunn
ID: 139161620
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 20:54

Oh yea I forgot. Argentinia.

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 21:04

There are SO many cheap guys to look at right now. Ginobili may not be the best option, but if you need to replace him it could be easily done, I think. Just sit and watch...see how it pans out.

THK

Tree
ID: 22758146
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 21:33

here's a few options i'm looking at:
G: Kobe, R. Hamilton, Knight, Jaric
F: Garnett, Gooden, Medvedenko, Z. Randolph
C: Nowitzki, Divac

G: Kobe, J. Williams (Mem), Ginobili, Jaric
F: O'Neal, Gooden, Najera, Medvedenko
C: Nowitzki, Wallace

G: Stockton, J. Williams (Mem), Knight, Ginobili
F: Nowitzki, Hill, Gooden, Najera
C: Mutombo, K. Clark

thoughts?

Tree

qwert
ID: 29121518
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 21:50

Tree, I think you have a few overpriced guys on your squads.

Mutumbo - for less $ you could probably get more from Kurt Thomas, as well as the versatility of F/C. Or you could put in a little more and get Wallace/J'Oneal or Nowitzki. I won't own deke all year, unless gravity brings him down significantly

Najera - your better off taking your chances on a rookie on a bad team, there just aren't enough minutes for him

Hamilton - his pt total usually equals his SWP. He doesn't fill the stat sheet enough (even when Jordan was out and he was the only option in Wash.)

Keon- Unfortunately he might not get the minutes, but we'll see.

The Collenium
ID: 38922223
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 21:53

Thanks for the comments Bob.
As for Ginobilli... True, the Spurs' early schedule isn't the best. Yes, his minutes are going to be erratic and potentially nil.
BUT... he is only 500K with a whole lotta' upside. If he gets to play, his price could move fast. Even though his early schedule isn't great, that's not too important. If he does okay when the Spurs do play, lots of people will pick him because he'd be such a steal. Look- he's not going to be anybody's stud, anyone counting on him to bring home the points is crazy. He's a cheap money maker. Besides, at 500K, its not like he is going to lose you money.

rockfish
ID: 531038288
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 22:20

tree-you're branching out too much. one team at a time.

Rand al Thor
ID: 83231216
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 23:26

After much soul-searching (and a little bit of research) I've come up with the following team. Spent every penny I've got, but I think this is a tight line-up to start the season.

guards:

McGrady $9.75
Arenas 4.94
Jackson 4.04
Maggette 3.03

forwards:

Garnett 11.10
Webber: 10.66
Gooden: 3.00
Radmanovic: 2.42

centers:

Blount .56
McCoy .50

good luck with your teams!

qwert
ID: 29121518
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 23:28

which line up do you guys think looks better?

Kobe
T Mac
Ginobili
Giricek

Webber
Garnett
Gooden
Hilario

Magloire
McCoy

---OR---

Kobe
T Mac
Ginobili
Giricek

Webber
M Peterson
Gooden
Kwame

J'Oneal
McCoy

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Thu, Oct 17, 2002, 23:56

The first one looks WAY BETTER (the lates few roster posts have been good, due to schedule consideration)

NE ways: your strat is good, STUDS with sleepers, however you will burn trades like crazy and be expectiong alot out of sleepers.

*Hilraio won't be as effective as u think, i watch him on SATILIE (crazy foul truoble)
*Magjore (i live in toronto and played with him at a YMCA) i dominated him.....ok..ok...just kidding, but at that price he better produce HUGE. i say find a better option.

* I'd give alot more help but IF U READ MY OTHER POST you'll see (ME along with my divison) are your competition this year.

GUYS use the TSN message board (somethimes), it is really good i have made alot of GREAT DISCUSSION TOPICS (injury report) you all should check it out.

P.S. I love that Assimilator!!! that along wiht the tsn NOTEBOOK are great tools

MyNiners
ID: 13782314
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 01:11

Ok,,I dip into the theoritcal pool here. 2.6M in Bank as well
G
Jaric, Marko
Maggette, Corey
Vaughn, Jacque
Bryant, Kobe
F
Hill, Grant
Webber, Chris
Garnett, Kevin
Radmanovic, Vladimir
C
McCoy, Jelani
Nesterovic, Radoslav

The Collenium
ID: 38922223
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 02:35

At 3 mil each, I can't decide who is better to start with- Gooden or Maggette. Gooden has been tearing it up, but that has been without splitting those boards and shots with Pow. With half the Clips in the emergency room, Maggette is going to produce more. On the other hand, Gooden would be worth it if he could maintain about 3/4 of his output. On the other-other hand, Maggette can be classified as a guard too, making him more versatile. Okay, I'll stop...

Picadilly
ID: 3991720
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 02:37

my 2 cents on rosters above...

QWERT: 1st team by a mile. Mopete is never consistent, he might not even start. J oneal's recovering, and indy's sched's not very good.

MyNiners: i like your team (cos it's like mine!) but has j.vaughn has played little yet. And i assume you can take either m.jackson or woods and still get similar production and use the extra dough elsewhere since Minne's going in with a 3 headed center.

Here's my team...

Jackson, Bobby G
Jaric, Marko G
Arenas, Gilbert G
Bryant, Kobe G
Garnett, Kevin F
Drobnjak, Predrag F (can't afford Radmanovic)
Webber, Chris F
Hill, Grant F
McCoy, Jelani C
Jackson, Marc C

appreciate any opinion

R
ID: 38426220
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 02:56

Anyone like Lorenzon Wright at center? I would imagine him putting up solid numbers this year.

beebop
ID: 09361717
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 04:06

Not just yet. Only Gasol, and i think Williams starting positions are definite. Although, if the decide to start Gooden, Gasol will be C. So id wait and see what happens, though if that does happen, Wright should still see reasonable numbers.

Tree
ID: 22758146
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 05:54

thanks for the input folks. keep it coming.

mutumbo, hamilton, and clark were all question marks in my mind, and may be slotted elsewhere - i.e. not on my team.

i have reservations about picking up ANY Knick, because they have a solid chance of winning less than 15 games this year.

najera - well, i'm a big believer in him. so, i guess we'll see, but you may be right on the minutes..

peace,
Tree

MyNiners
ID: 13782314
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 09:46

I like Najera as well, I live here in Dallas and he is a hustle machine. That said, the Mav's are deep with forwards and I dont know if he gets enough minutes to justify grabbing him.

I made some addition errors on the original lineup and since i dont have 54million to work with my revised team is as follows:

Guard Ginobili, Emmanuel
Guard Arenas, Gilbert
Guard Hudson, Troy
Guard Bryant, Kobe
Forward Hill, Grant
Forward Webber, Chris
Forward Garnett, Kevin
Forward Radmanovic, Vladimir
Center Mccoy, Jelani
Center Blount, Mark

Kings Fan
ID: 57956310
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 12:03

A couple of tweaks and my first team is finalized:

Bryant, Billups, B Jackson, Ginobili
Garnett, Webber, Gooden, Radmanovic
Jarron Collins, McCoy

Bob
ID: 478422620
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 12:18

For all those Managers that intend to pick up Ginobili, Jelani McCoy and/or Mark Blount....

Are you picking them up based on their low price and keeping them long term ( at least until week 3 )?

I keep on looking at their schedules and find that their respective teams have a 3/4 game schedule for the first week then it drops off for the 2nd week.

Ginobili :
Week 1 - The Spurs does have 5 games in 8 days but somewhere in between that they have 2 games in 7 days from 11/2 to 11/8.

Blount:
Week 1 - The Nuggets have 4 games in week 1 but then only has 2 games in week 2.

McCoy:
Week 1 - The Raptors has 4 games in week 1 but then has 2 games in 8 days beginning in 11/7 to 11/14.

I understand picking them up beginning in Week 3 cuz most of their schedules pick up then, but it seems too early to pick them up anytime before then ( unless most people intend to trade out in week 2 ).

The only cheapie player that I can see to pick up early now and keep long term ( for up to 4 weeks ) that may be worth it ( to me ) is Marko Jaric because of the Clippers schedule ( 3-4-4-4 )and lack of players available during the beginning of the regular season.

Dave R
Leader
ID: 12441623
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 12:18

NetsFan- oops KnicksFan :)

How can you consider your roster finalized with 10 days or so to go before the first game

Kings Fan
ID: 57956310
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 12:27

Dave - it's Kings Fan. As busy as I am, I need to get at least one roster done. Of course, injuries could change things. I picked McCoy and Ginobili because of their low price, potential and "long-term" schedule. I never draft for one-week plays. Unlike alot of the forward-heavy teams above, I've tried to draft a very balanced team and hopefully succeeded.

Dave R
Leader
ID: 12441623
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 12:31

My bad

Kings Fan
ID: 57956310
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 12:45

No biggie. Ther are so many "Fans" in here now, I have to do a doubletake now and then.

gibby88@WORK
ID: 588371414
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 13:04

Arenas
Christie
Jackson
Ginobili

Wallace
Webber
Hill
Miles

Jackson
Woods

Cheap centers...most likely will change.

V-2
ID: 399179
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 13:13

Kobe,BobbyJax,Arenas,Ginobili
KG,Wells,Gooden,Radmanovic
Divac,MJax

I'm not sure if I'll go with Bonzi at the F, but he's a G/F and plays 9 games in the first couple of weeks.
Divac won't yield me any money, but points and schedule-wise seems a good pick.
Any suggestions?

100

gibby88@WORK
ID: 588371414
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 13:18

V-2 I have considered Divac for the same reasons.

101

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 14:30

What about Dion Glover! He's played solid in the preseason, and I believe he's still starting at the 2.

Gibby, going with Jackson and Woods? Are you a MINN fan or just very brave. lol.

102

gibby88@WORK
ID: 588371414
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 14:34

MF:
No a Portland Native.....

One of them will stay...waiting to see which will receive the most time....

Most likely will go with Collins....

103

V-2
ID: 399179
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 14:36

Talking about bravery LOL
How about Cherokee Parks?
500k, Clips frontline is all hospitalized and DRE can make scrubs look better:)

104

Samuli
ID: 3296416
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 14:48

Re: #103

Brand, Wilcox and Ely will all be good to go on 29th, so the PF-slot looks verily manned. Also, with the recent addition of Wang Zhi Zhi (yea I know, but he just could turn out to be a solid back-up... Can't be much worse than Rooks anyway.), the minutes at center won't be Park's to have either.

105

gibby88@WORK
ID: 588371414
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 15:30

Interesting:

Terrell Brandon - G - Minnesota Timberwolves
Oct 18 One NBA GM has been telling people that Terrell Brandon is ''going to retire in the next week or so.'' Timberwolves GM Kevin McHale scoffed at the notion. If Brandon were to tire of his rehab work and retire, he would forfeit the $33 million remaining on his contract. Brandon is recovering from February knee surgery. There is no timetable for his return. Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune

106

rafi
ID: 269251618
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 15:36

ok here's my team, I like it but there's one problem, I dont like bimbo coles, gotta change him

Guard
tmac
kobe
coles
ginoboli

Forwards
Webber
Garnett
Radmonovic
Gooden

Centers
Mccoy
Blount

Any suggestions, I wanted to go coles to maggete but didnt have enough dough.

107

Hang Time
ID: 27922621
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 19:46

Why do people like Blount?

108

Bob
ID: 478422620
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 20:16

Hangtime:

I think cuz Blunt is a cheap center....along with the same reason for McCoy.

Rafi:

How about Marko Jaric?

109

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 20:55

HT;

Blount is starting in DEN (Camby IL) and is 500k. While I wouldn't take him, because I think he sucks. Some people like him reguardless of talent/schedule.

110

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 21:27

Blount and McCoy are the easy choices for the first wk of the season, I guess. They have good schedule for 1 wk, and maybe after that they will look beyond for another C. I know I have both and will most likely hold them, and re-evaluate after 1 wk to see what better options open up.

THK

111

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 21:54

The Grizz played with an interesting starting lineup tonight. Both Gasol and Gooden on the floor, I hope they continue with this train of thought. ;)

.. Then again, they were playing Orlando.

112

Hang Time
ID: 27922621
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 22:46

But Blount's performance is CRAP:

0
10
19

I mean: 0?!?! How could you even consider him?

113

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Fri, Oct 18, 2002, 23:07

Actually it was.. 3 8.5 19.5. But he does suck.

Grizz won tonight! Woohoo!

114

SillySpheres
ID: 58512252
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 02:18

I havent seen Antawn Jamison's name come up at all. He's had a decent preseason (30/12 in last game) and GS's schedule is pretty solid for a couple weeks. Plus he is only 6.76 million.

115

dicht.de
ID: 4810441911
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 07:38

guys, here`s a roster from a german who loves this game:

Kobe
Palacio
Arenas
Magette

Garnett
Webber
Miles
Gooden

Woods
Mc Coy

For me, not beeing a guru, it sounds not bad!!!

116

clach
ID: 31933412
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 09:04

dicht, why you don't join us in the European League ?

117

Hang Time
ID: 27922621
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 13:40

SillySpheres: That's a very good point. I had thought about him a few days back, but that's about it. He may not be as consistent as some of the other studs, so that may be the only downfall.

118

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 15:38

Why are u guys so high on GINO???

granted he WILL be good but not at the start of the seaon, he won't be starting. There are beter options with Gireck and Jaric.

I noticed some one wiht a 4 stud roster, that seems to be a good plan with the abundance of GOOD cheap players this year!!! however u will be burning trades like crazy trying to have all the studs ACTIVE.

119

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 15:41

What do u guys think about these players??? I was really high on them about 2weeks ago when i first started messing around with my roster. They have sliped out of my roster recently.

Hounston (only option in NY)
Walker (shaq is out)
Alexander(rember his 17pts/g late ion his rookie season, plus wesly is under sized and better as a 6th man)

NE one hearing good things about M.Jackson??? (center for MIN)

120

Hang Time
ID: 27922621
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 16:37

I'm a Knicks fan and I can tell you one thing: I would never touch Houston in fantasy sports. Never.

121

Bernie Slim
ID: 418102120
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 16:39

It seems like tons of people are drafting Ginobili. Does that mean he will be making a lot of $ on the first price gainer?

122

Tree
ID: 22758146
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 17:29

no, it stands to reason he'll actually LOSE money, because the spurs play only 2 games in the second week, thusly, a LOT of people might trade him off...

Tree
as i understand it

123

Rand al Thor
ID: 83231216
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 18:50

Ginobili won't lose money because he is only 500k. I think he is a good pickup for that reason alone. If he starts lighting things up quickly then he is an instant train and many managers will have to burn an early trade to catch that train. And even if he isn't hot right from the start at least you won't lose any money on him. Unlike the cleveland guards who (I think) are priced around a 900k. If they don't produce right away they will crash quick.

124

Tree
ID: 22758146
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 19:08

um. yea. good point. i forgot he was 500k.

Tree

125

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Sat, Oct 19, 2002, 23:55

HOW ABOUT THEM GRIZZ OWNING THE BULLS! WOOHOO!

126

Blinky
ID: 43981919
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 00:16

Gooden awesome again, 48 swp (headcount) even playing alongside Pow... he's got me convinced, i hope i can find a way to upgrade Radmanovic to him...

127

Bob
ID: 2692190
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 00:56

Memphis Fan....I am sure that you already thought of this too....but I am going to guess that Gasol and Gooden will be playing alongside each other for most of the season.

With Jerry West calling the shots.....Gooden will be getting major minutes. From what I have read about West in some ESPN article...West micromanages everything down to who plays what position. There is no way that he would have drafted Gooden without having him play major minutes....and from his preseason performance...good God....the guy is averaging 12 boards a game!!! ( With 18 boards tonight playing alongside Gasol !!!! )

This leaves a fascinating and very beneficial prospect for us TSN players....with Gooden playing more minutes...and more then likely starting later ( if not sooner ) in the PF position...this means that Gasol will more then likely shift over to start at Center....and with 5 starts at Center.....Gasol can be one of those all too valuable "Multi-positional" F/C!!!!

I'm thinking out loud now......but Jerry West is a genius....of the top 5 picks ( hell...even the top 100 picks ) which rookie seems to be making the biggest splash so far? Drew Gooden.

For those that do not have Gooden in their roster....get ready to board the money train...it is coming and it will be full!!!!

Sorry.....its just my petty opinion....

128

PGunn
ID: 139161620
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 01:07

Hey Bob, it's preseason man. Calm down. He's playing against scrubs half the time.

Kwame Brown is doing the same thing for the Wizards and he is about 1 million cheaper, and he already has his rookie year under his belt. I'm takin a close look at him. All he has to do is beat out Oakley, and Laettner. Couple of has beens.

129

PGunn
ID: 139161620
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 01:09

Kwame can also be held a few days longer than Gooden can.

130

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 01:09

Exactly.

Im soo excited about this year. West has turned this team around. Gasol and Battier were great building blocks last year, (I realize, without West) and I think he's taken the ball and run with it. An amazing job with Giricek. Who knew about him?

And Gooden, well, he's more than I ever expected. West is amazing at finding talent, and I think he may have found the TRUE #1 pick.

.. I know, I know, its early.. But Gooden is already out performing Swift. (#2 pick)

We needed shooters, he got us Person and with Dickerson back and the addition of Giricek, im getting a little more comfortable with our 2 possition.

Im not that crazy about Gasol playing center. Id hate to see him cut his career short because of being beatup every night. Id really like to see Gasol play the PF with Gooden playing SF. As much as I hate to say it, id like to see Battier off the bench. ;( We have alot of talent. My only worry is our guards -- but nobody in Memphis is gonna give up on Williams.

131

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 01:13

PGunn.

He had to beat out worse last year.. and didn't. I realize it was his rookie year, but he had zero time. Somthing must be up with him, second round picks saw more time than he did.

Washington also hasn't played any of its starters many to any minutes at all this preseason. (unlike Memphis)

But ya never know.. I think Gooden is safer tho.

132

PGunn
ID: 139161620
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 01:19

BTW, I'm thinking the real trains are gonna come at the guard position. Duncan, Webber, and Garnett are all long term holds to start the season and I think alot of guys are gonna have all 3 of them. That leaves only 1 forward spot for a cheapie. Everybody is gonna be looking for cheap guards.

133

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 01:37

hummm having all 3? don't u think that's a stretch?
Cweb adn Garnett are good long term holds but Duncan has a (3 day) break early on.

GEEEZZZZ, i hate Gooden (we'll not actually) because of his performance tonight i totaly craped an amazing roster. Gooden might be a must have.

However, u culd start with (miles or hill)both start off NICE and then move to gooden.

NOTE: I totaly agree with have 1-2 of the .5k gaurds, u really can't lose (can't lose $$$ and if they play well your sitting first class on teh $$$ TRAIN)

134

PGunn
ID: 139161620
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 01:47

Thru 15 days you only lose 1 game on Duncan. He has 7 games. 13 teams have 8 games, the rest have 6. After the first 15 days the Spurs are a nice 3 week hold. So you can hold Duncan for 5 weeks.

BTW, Portland is the only team that has 9 games thru 15 days.

135

PGunn
ID: 139161620
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 02:05

Memphis, I think you can say Kwame had a bad rookie year because he came straight out of high school. From what I have been reading, it's a totally different story this year. He was working out all summer and has bulked up and improved his shot and his defense. Correct me if I'm wrong but Kwame is 3 years younger than Gooden. Chalk his rookie year up as a learning experience.

136

V-2
ID: 399179
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 02:28

I think both Kwame are Gooden will have good seasons and will be great money trains also.
I'm thinking of starting with Duncan and switch to Webber and then back to Duncan during the first 4-5 weeks, their schedules complement each other. Gooden will be my 3rd forward and Kwame probably the fourth one. I can't decide if I'll take KG (Minny's gonna suck this year and I'm worried he won't produce as much) or CWebb (legal issues)or going with Miles and upgrade to a better center, Samaki Walker or Divac.
Any ideas?

137

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 02:38

PGunn:

True, I just fear it'll be a repeat of last year once the season starts. I do like his chances this year tho. Im considering him, I only wish there were more guards! Im having trouble deciding between forwards!

Right now im pretty stuck with DGood, my two studs, and Miles. But UCK! Kwame sure is tempting.. What to DO!

138

Bob
ID: 2692190
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 02:54

Regarding Kwame....does anyone know whether he will be playing more then 20 minutes in regular season?

Is he definitely going to playing in a backup role to whatever position he plays ( and hence getting those needed 20+ minutes )?

Of course this is preseason....and I don't know whether he will be consistently playing 20+ minutes and therefore putting up those same numbers.

139

Picadilly
ID: 59936200
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 03:01

Who is considering Kobe in the team right now? Is anyone concerned with his not so spectacular preseason play so far? He was 6 of 24 tonight with 6 missed FTs and 9 turnovers.

140

PGunn
ID: 139161620
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 09:46

BOB, Kwame Brown is going to be the starting power forward for Washington. He should get 30 minutes/game.

141

Hang Time
ID: 27922621
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 14:53

McCoy seems somewhat of a flake after last night's performance?

6 TNSP last night. Just an off night?

142

Burnettsville
Donor
ID: 319362319
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 14:56

Bob, Re: post 127
This leaves a fascinating and very beneficial prospect for us TSN players....with Gooden playing more minutes...and more then likely starting later ( if not sooner ) in the PF position...this means that Gasol will more then likely shift over to start at Center....and with 5 starts at Center.....Gasol can be one of those all too valuable "Multi-positional" F/C!!!!

Did you mean that Gasol would be a valuable TSN "Multi-positional" player? He is listed as a Forward. I doubt TSN will be making changes to player positions.

143

The Collenium
ID: 38922223
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 15:03

Ahhh...I wish I could make my team out of just forwards! I want all of them- Duncan, CWebb, KG, Miles, Gooden, KBrown.

144

rockfish
ID: 531038288
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 15:09

correct me if i'm wrong,but TSN will periodically be adding to players positions as they become eligible.

145

Blooki
ID: 6838118
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 15:11

I believe you're right rockfish. But it's not as absolute as you might think. TSN will 'consider' adding to players' positions after they start at a new position for 5 games. They never said it would be automatic or how long the 'consideration' process would take. I wouldn't bank your strategy on it (i.e. keep holding a player in hopes that he'll become eligible for another spot before making a trade).

And of course...

CMIIW

146

Blooki
ID: 6838118
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 15:21

While I agree Kwame will probably be a regular cheapie/money train throughout the year, I think I'm going to avoid drafting him. I'm leery of that 0 in 4, 2 in 8, or 3 in 11 (whatever you choose to call it) beginning on 11/18.

And yes I know 2 and a half weeks isn't that bad of a time period to hold a player, but with a draft (the point in the year where you have the most freedom with your roster), I'm shooting for 3+ weeks of planned holding periods for cheapies.

And yes I know with underpriced cheapies, schedule isn't as important because a player of similar pricing would still produce less with a stronger schedule, but I do see other options at a similar price range that I would rather have with better schedules.

And yes I know Kwame will probably be a money train, but as the seasoned vets all know, points first, then money. If you have the points, the money will come. I refuse to buy into all the "money only" philosophies for the beginning of the season because that's how I shot myself in the foot last season.

Just my two cents. :)

CMIIW

147

rockfish
ID: 531038288
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 15:22

blooki, I won't hold my breath either. gee maybe they could put all the players on the right teams first and periodically there after update positions (like by the allstar break).

148

PGunn
ID: 139161620
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 15:39

Blooki, 11 games in 20 days is the best you can do. That's what Washington has. Especially at the beginning of the year the GAPS are not as critical because everybody is holding everybody in order to build up trades.

149

Rubalamp
ID: 6615911
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 16:08

I currently have Grant Hill on my roster for his first 4 in 5, then I am trading into another player, but it seems like people are not mentioning him much anymore??? Any thoughts...

150

Burnettsville
Donor
ID: 319362319
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 16:59

I stand corrected since I was wrong.

151

Blooki
ID: 6838118
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 17:24

PGunn,

I know 11 in 20 is the best you can do. I was speaking of the gaps after those 20 days are up. The gaps in the two weeks after 11/18 are pretty horrendous and virtually FORCE everybody to trade him after that unless he's averaging 37+ TSNP a game. I just don't want to be forced to trade a $2-3mil dollar player 20 days into the season when I can have other cheapies that can be held.

And I think you'll be VERY surprised at how much people in fact DO NOT hold everybody to build up trades.

Again, CMIIW.

We're playing Fantasy Ultimate Fantasy Hoops here. Unless I see or hear something absolutely mind-blowing about Kwame Brown, I'll stick to my Kwame-free roster for now.

152

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 18:46

Guys like (HILL and MILES) i though were for sure going to be on my roster but.......

With all the cheap players (jarick, gireck, satterfield, brown, gooden, mccoy, jackson) IT better to get STUD players and then fill out the roster with cheepies.

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grEEr
ID: 15901611
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 18:47

what so u guys think of this ROSTER???
all opinions WELCOMED.

G McGrady, Tracy ORL 10/29 @$9,750,000
G Satterfield, Kenny DEN 10/30 $1,020,000
G Jaric, Marko LAC 10/30 $500,000
G Giricek, Gordan MEM 10/30 $500,000

F Duncan, Tim SA 10/29 LAL $12,100,000
F Garnett, Kevin MIN 10/30 $11,100,000
F Webber, Chris SAC 10/29 $10,660,000
F Gooden, Drew MEM 10/30 $3,000,000

C Jackson, Marc MIN 10/30 $780,000
C McCoy, Jelani LAL 10/29 $500,000

154

gibby88
ID: 50451220
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 19:24

attn: MEMPHIS FAN:

Is Giricek going to see some decent minutes?

THanks, gibby88

155

gibby88
ID: 50451220
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 19:52

Any ORLANDO fans know if Jacque Vaughn WILL start at the PG? All I have found says Rivers is considering him over Armstrong..I find that a little hard to believe...

BUT if true I may take a swing at him for his 3+ price tag. Grant and TMac need some one to feed them the ball.

Tanks, gibby88

156

Burnettsville
Donor
ID: 319362319
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 20:53

TSN projects Vaughn to start.

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Micheal
ID: 12744225
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 21:12

In Yahoo leagues, is it the norm to offer other managers BS trade offers to start? D. Armstrong and Brand for Jamison and Kidd. Be real, and this isn't the worst. When do the serious offers come?

158

rharkin
ID: 5094120
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 21:24

is anyone playing the PSC free hoops game and if so will anyone be interested in joining a league in which no one purchases trades (NET)?
thanks, harkins

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grEEr
ID: 15901611
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 21:41

boys, give me some feed back on my roster.

It's like 3-4 posts up. I think this is a good approach, but want to get a concensus.

with the sleepers i have, i can't really lose ($$$ that is). This roster will also save trades (the only move would be moving TMAC after his 4 in 5nights)

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Picadilly
ID: 549532013
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 21:54

grEER:

your choice of cheapies are rather shaky. Satterfield hasn't done much in preseason so far, it's hard to get assists when there's no talent around you. Giricek's PT in real games is still unknown. One positive note is Dickerson is still not ready. You might want to put an asterisk beside him. Marc Jackson is definitely playing behind Rasho and Woods. IIRC, woods started at PF and Rasho started at C last game, and Jackson only played 10 minutes while Woods played 25. Might be a sign of things to come due regular games.

Nonetheless, your 4-stud, rest cheapies approach is an interesting concept.

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rafi
ID: 269251618
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 21:56

ok greeer here's what i think of ur team

I like ur team, its a lot like mine, except I dont agree with having the 3 stud forwards, I believe that u can make a lot of money if u use 2 stud forwards and then get another cheap forward or sumwhat cheap, someone like miles, or radmonovic, or brown, u can make tonnes of money with these guyz and they'll probable produce well too, also having the 3 headed monsters is gonna burn u trades and very quickly, my advice is have 2 stud forwards, and rotate when one's schedule is bad and the other's picks up. That way u'll gain money and games. Also I think mehmet okur would be a better choice then marc jackson for the center position. Just my 2 cents

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grEEr
ID: 15901611
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 22:26

Thanx, for the input guys.

I'm still high on the .5k guys because u can't lose money and even if the get 15-20tsnp it's still good relative to the price. I think i will tinker with my roster a big mabey get Brown in there and get Jackson out. (i wathched the same game u did picadilly, i was unimpressed)

How are your rosters shaking up???

Rafi: u said u have a 2(foward)stud combo, how many stud gaurds do u have?

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grEEr
ID: 15901611
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 22:29

I'm a 5th year manager but one question always plauges me.

IS IT BEST TO USE UP TRADES and GET A GREAT START, or sit back with players that have nice long term schedules and make your move later in the season???

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PGunn
ID: 139161620
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 22:52

Harkins, I would be interested in that PSC NET league that you are talking about. Maybe you should start a thread so people can sign up. I know you're a damn good fantasy b-ball player so I'm probably gonna get my ass kicked.

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grEEr
ID: 15901611
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 22:57

How's this one. what do u think?

*see this one may be more risky, if en one of (jackson, hudson, brown, gooden) plays bad or gets hurt. There will be a huge selloff COSTING either a TRADE or $$$.

Where as the other one, u just would suffer the loss of point production. because prices can't drop more than .5k

G McGrady, Tracy ORL 10/29 $9,750,000
G Jackson, Bobby SAC 10/29 $4,040,000
G Hudson, Troy ORL 10/29 $3,880,000
G Jaric, Marko LAC 10/30 $500,000

F Garnett, Kevin MIN 10/30 @$11,100,000
F Webber, Chris SAC 10/29 @ $10,660,000
F Gooden, Drew MEM 10/30 @ $3,000,000
F Brown, Kwame WAS 10/30 $2,320,000

FC Walker, Samaki LAL 10/29 $3,870,000
C McCoy, Jelani LAL 10/29 $500,000

380,000 left (just short of a move i wanted to make) ahhh.

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Picadilly
ID: 549532013
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 23:04

in terms of stud Gs to start the season the debate seems to between Kobe and TMac. I'm leaning towards Kobe cos Shaq will be out at least couple weeks and Kobe will be man of the hour. Whereas TMac still need to adjust playing alongside Hill. And Kobe is a bit cheaper. (every penny counts!) But i also realize TMac may be a longer hold. Just want to know what you guys think.

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Hang Time
ID: 27922621
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 23:14

McCoy seems to be doing worse and worse the more the preseason progresses. I'm definitely yanking him from my team. At this point I'm going with:

Jarron Collins
Marc Jackson

What do you all think?

169

Gary
ID: 26930716
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 23:18

What do you all think of stromile swift as a center? or lorenzen wright? Thanks

170

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Sun, Oct 20, 2002, 23:31

gibby88:

Giricek is the real deal and Dickerson isn't ready for the starting spot. With Person playing for the most part behind Battier. I would NOT be suprised to see Giricek start from day 1. This could change once Dicky gets healthy, but for now he seems like a solid choice. He's going to get 25-30 minutes reguardless.

I really like Woods alot for my cheapie center, with Joe Smith being out.. but does anyone know how much longer Smith will be sitting? This is bout to also affect Marc Jackson.

On Vaughn, I bet he starts, but just as in preseason. Armstrong has been putting up better stats. When you have TMac and Hill on the floor, its like having 3 PGs.

Whats everyones take on Miles? He was my early early season pick and he's been pretty solid. The CAVs have a good schedule till like week 8 or somthing crazy. Anyone else thinking long term hold? (4-4-4-3-4-3-4-4)

One more thing while im rambling, I noticed the Junk Yard Dog started tonight and Davis moved over to Center. Could this be the end of McCoys meaningful minutes? Im tempted to jump off the train before it begins.. whats everyone elses thoughts.

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Hang Time
ID: 27922621
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 00:34

Memphis Fan: Just to answer a couple of your questions... I'm going with Miles as a long term hold, I already ditched McCoy, and I think Woods isn't such a bad pick at all.

172

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 00:55

Care to devulge your other C? Or at least IM me with it HT. ;)

173

Dunkenstein
ID: 249534
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 00:59

Here's my present line-up:

G McGrady, Tracy ORL
G Bryant, Kobe LAL
G Jackson, Bobby SAC
G Giricek, Gordan
F Garnett, Kevin MIN
F Miles, Darius CLE
F Gooden, Drew MEM
F Brown, Kwame WAS
C Haywood, Brendan WAS
C Woods, Loren MIN

McGrady, Kobe and Garnett are studs with good opening schedules. I think Miles will give good pts/$ and earn some money. Jackson should do so as well in Bibby's absence. To this point Giricek is playing better than any other rookie, except maybe Gooden. Brown and Haywood should both be cheap starters for the Wiz. And lastly, I think Woods could just get the starting PF slot in Minnesota and will prove to be a real value.

174

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 01:06

Isnt Haywood hurt? And isn't White the starter in WAS?

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beebop
ID: 09361717
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 01:40

Bryant
Maggette
Giricek
Ginobili
Duncan
Pierce
Miles
Jamison
Woods
Bradley

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Bernie Slim
ID: 418102120
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 03:13

Memphis Fan, Jahidi White will be out a few months from offseason knee surgery

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Hang Time
ID: 27922621
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 03:52

Garnett or Webber?

If you could only pick one of these guards for your starting team, who would it be and why?

Here's a little ground work:

Schedule

(SAC) Webber: 5 - 3 - 4 - 4 - 4 - 4 - 3 - 3 - 2
(MIN) Garnett: 5 - 3 - 4 - 3 - 4 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 3

Now if you just consider the first 6 weeks that's 2 extra games for Webber.

Price

Webber: $10,660,000
Garnett: $11,100,000

2001 TNSP/G

Garnett: 48.1
Webber: 47.4

Now just looking at that I'd assume people would say Webber. Now here's the key: Is Webber going to pickup some silly injury in the beginning of the season? Nobody here can perdict the future, but is security more important than 2 games (~100/TNSP), or no?

(I don't mean to be excessive here, but I'm just curious what people think. I guess the basic question is: How much is security on your team worth to you?)

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Micheal
ID: 892494
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 10:17

I wish they qualified at the G.

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clach
ID: 31933412
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 11:00

good question hang time
I choosed this solution: Garnett in 1 team, Webber in the other one!
I think Garnett is a more safe choiche, I can't see Webber no missing any match due to a silly injury.
Plus I think with Keon Clark he can play some minutes less.
And plus I think Garnett will be very motivated at beginning of the season, beacuse he has been criticized in last playoff and because in Minesota there are a lot of injured players now.
But still the better choiche is, if you have 2 teams, Garnett in team A, Webber in team B

180

joe suspect
Donor
ID: 298531714
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 12:16

Don't forget that with Bibby out of the lineup that Webber (and Divac) will get more assists than usual. Jackson may be the point guard, but the offense won't flow through him as much as it did with Bibby.

181

leggestand
ID: 501029817
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 13:33

Speaking of Jackson, has anyone thought of picking him up due to Sac's nice early schedule?

182

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 14:54

I thought about it. But he's pretty high, and his stats in preseason havnt been great. Not to mention the Kings are a pass happy team with Vlade, CWeb and company all being able to pass extremely well. He's not worth the gamble in my mind. Afterall, Bibby only averaged 5 APG.

183

Bob
ID: 478422620
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 15:23

I currently have Bobby Jackson on my team....due to his schedule...and hoping that other people will pick him up ( for the additional $$ ). But it seems that people are staying away from him due to his somewhat mediocre stats and his price.

I may have to retool if things change....alot of people seem hooked on Jaric and Giricek.

For now, I am unconvinced of both....they are putting in decent minutes ( and therefore better TSN performance ) during PRESEASON ( primarily due to injuries )....but what happens come the beginning of the season?

Does anyone know enough about the Clippers and Grizzlies injuries to know how this will affect whether either of them will get enough minutes to make a difference in the regular season?

184

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 15:31

ok, i've got a question.

IS IT BETTER TO GET PLAYERS WITH GOOD SCHEDUALS AND DUMP THEM WHEN THEIR SCHEDUAL GET BAD or GET PLAYERS WITH GOOD LONG TERM SCHEDUALS ADN IF NECCASERY HOLD THEM THROUGH A BAD STREACH INORDER TO SAVE TRADES.

i've always been under the impression that u dump a player befor a bad stretch in scheduel, now i'm hearing alot of people dicussin LONG term holds and saving trades like crazy.

for exaples TMAC start wiht 4 in 5, do u trade him after that or hold??? same wiht kobe starts nicly and then goes cols after the 8th. do u trade or hold and save the trade???

please only respond if u know what your talking about. thanx

185

Kings Fan
ID: 57956310
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 15:33

For those of you trying to figure out Memphis' starters:
Grizzlie update

186

V-2
ID: 52927202
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 15:49

#183
Jaric will see a lot of PT due to his ability to play both guard positions and some SF. His schedule is pretty attractive during the first month . I also like Giricek, but I want somebody with a better schedule (longterm) and given the fact that almost all rosters will have Gooden, I wouldn't like to have 2-3 Memphis players on my roster.

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rafi
ID: 269251618
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 15:57

greer:

It totally depends on the type of manager that u are and the circumstance that u are in. For instance if u have tmac down the road and his schedule begins to suck and u have like 11 trades in the bank. And tmac is losing money, but j kidd schedule is picking up and he is gaining money like crazy then u would obviously make the move.
Only make the move if ur positive that it will be very benfitial to ur team. My opinion on the tmac and kobe situation is trading them right b4 there horrible schedule starts and then pick them up just b4 there sched starts to pick up. Basically u'll gain alot of money and points. If u were going to do this then I strongly suggest to not trade cheapies, hold a cheapy for awhile b/c ur gonna need ur trades for ur studs.

Do whatever u want man, but I believe that the most successful method would be the switching studs and holding cheapies method.

188

VIDevilRays
Leader
ID: 22947267
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 16:09

greer-the whole point of trades is to pick up games-remember that. If you do not pick up games there is no point to the trade, unless you have an injury to deal with.

There are an awful lot of strategies to this game that can be employed successfully. Some people try to conserve trades early, some not. Ultimately it depends upon what you do with your trades-and when-that will determine your success. You will not have a trade available for every situation, so those that maximize their trades will succeed. Good luck!

189

Bob
ID: 478422620
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 16:16

Thanks for the comments and articles regarding Giricek....he is becoming more and more like someone that I may add to my roster at least for the first 2 weeks.

Memphis has 2 stretches of "3 day rests" at the beginning of week 3 and the ending of week 4.

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grEEr
ID: 15901611
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 16:54

thanx guys,

this is help full advise as it reinforced my orginal thoughts. I was only planing on switching between sutuds, also saving trades will be benifical becsue using them later when u have a nice roster value would be more effective.

*some how i was getting the impression that using trades early on was fools move. i geuss people just meant it would be foolish 2 use them on sleepers or lower priced players.

191

rafi
ID: 269251618
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 17:06

greer do u have msn messenger, or an email address?

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grEEr
ID: 15901611
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 17:07

rafi. what do uthink of this team (more balanced approach, wiht alot of long term holds)

hows yours looking???

G McGrady, Tracy ORL 10/29 $9,750,000
G Jackson, Bobby SAC 10/29 $4,040,000
G Hudson, Troy ORL 10/29 $3,880,000
G Jaric, Marko LAC 10/30 $500,000

F Garnett, Kevin MIN 10/30 $11,100,000
F Webber, Chris SAC 10/29 $10,660,000
F Gooden, Drew MEM 10/30 $3,000,000
F Brown, Kwame WAS 10/30 $2,320,000

FC Walker, Samaki LAL 10/29 $3,870,000
C Woods, Loren MIN 10/30 @ $860,000

193

rafi
ID: 269251618
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 17:20

greer I like this team alot better but I still believe that not all of ur guyz are the best choices

The first mistake that I can see is troy hudson, I'm not really sold on him yet and I truely believe that he could be a bust, for a little bit more money u could get a better guard like arenas maybe even billups or a cheapie

I also dont like b.Jackson dat much, I dunno why I just believe that his price is too high, I know that he will be starting but I still dont believe that his numbers will drastically improve

Samaki walker is a good player but I still believe in the go cheap for centre approach, theres a guy named mehmet okur playing for detroit, he'll be dirt cheap and trust me he's really good, I knw this b/c Im turkish and okur is a turkish b-ball player, many say that he'll be even better then turkoglu.

Basically I like ur team, but if I were u Iwould downgrade a little and upgrade jackson or hudson for kobe. Trust me kobe will deliver.

Then ur team would llok something like this

Kobe, tmac, jaric, maybe grieck

forwars Cwebb, garnett, brown, gooden

centers okur woods

This would be very similar to my team. Hope this helps. This is my team tell me what u think

Tmac (still got it)
Kobe (will produce without shaq)
ginobeli ( $$$$)
giriek ( memphis is high on him)

webber (he's cwebb)
garnett (he's garnett lol)
gooden (Rookie of the year)
Brown (I'm sure he'll be good this year)

Okur (solid center)
mccoy (I dunno I like the guy, Imma raptors fan and I think he'll do good.)

Thats my team

194

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 17:33

My experience is that, unless you have a really superb draft, you don't want to be planning to use early trades simply to rotate studs. Trades should be used to jump on price gainers, and jump off of price losers.

You have all season to rotate studs to pick up an extra game or two. There is no need to be doing that in the first 2 weeks of November. Extra points in February are just as useful as extra points in November. And if you've got a number of early price gainers, you need to be prepared to react quickly when the train comes to a halt.

If you want to draft studs, find some that you can hold for several weeks at least.

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Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 17:34

BTW, that comment was not directed at any of the above rosters in particular. I just noted some general comments about early stud rotations to pick up a game here and there, and thought a word of caution was warranted.

196

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 17:39

i decide to buy an extra team (the 17.95 is back plus i'll refer a friend so for $11 why not. I'll imploy 2 rosters (1 balanced approach and one sleep/stud)

I'm not really sold on (Jackson or Husdon eihter) i just figured they would $$$ move. Only thing about having both KOBE and TMAC is that will cost trades (they both have long layoffs early on) i think there to long to hold them at least...what do u think???

I'm a little skeptiacl about going cheap centers now, i think there are a few more expensive one that warent a looks, (walker, collins and magjore)

okur has done, nothing to really warent a sopt. plus he hasent IPO'ed yet.

...........about your team.......................

first why GINO??? he ahs done nothing while Jarick and Gireck are playing great could get the stating nods (due to injuries and solid play).

McCoy is not that great, if from Toronto and wathced teh games last night, he will be used in a 4 foward rotation (20min a night).

Your right our ROSTER are very similar, so it's hard to pick out rought spots. My biggest concer would be using trades on both TMAC and KOBE, then having a sleeper bust. That would put us way behind in the trades department.

197

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 17:41

good advice GURU.

*would u look else where over KOBE and TMAC because of this??? the both will warent a trade in the first week or 2.

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Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 19:19

Through 11/24 (almost 4 weeks), there are only three teams with 15 games (all other teams have 14 or less). Those three are Orlando, Sacramento, and Minnesota.

So I don't see that McGrady would have to be sold. Or Garnett. Or Webber.

Of course, McGrady will certainly sustain some sells after his initial 4-in-5, and he'll probably be heavily drafted as well. So if you plan to hold throughout, you need to resign yourself to some losses then. But he should recover it the following week, as long as he is producing.

200

TwoPumps
ID: 21058102
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 19:29

Does anyone have a copy of something a printed out last year with every team nad how many games they have each week...not the one on rotoguru I just want to see at a quick glace who has the 4-4-4 or any favourable scheduling so I can plan my long term holds

201

Bernie Slim
ID: 418102120
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 19:40

Hey, somebody give me some feedback on my roster

T-Mac
Kobe
Giricek
Wells

Garnett
K. Brown
Gooden
Miles

Bradley
Woods

Any suggestions on how I could improve this? thanks

202

Bob
ID: 478422620
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 21:46

Okay...thoughts on my everchanging roster:

McGrady ----> trading afer 11/2 to ???
Bonzi
Arenas
Giricek

Webber
TurkeyGlu
Gooden
SWalker ---> Upgrading to Rasheed on 11/2

JCollins
MJackson

Yes...I will be burning 2 trades in the first week.....but it is part of my master plan to take over the world....uhh...I mean it is part of my plans for the first couple of weeks.

Everyone else I will be keeping until the 2nd week.

203

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 23:18

Guru;

u seem to be one of the more educated managers in this forum. How is your draft shaping up??? are your going to imploy a ballanced approach or stick with studs and bank on some sleepers stepping up???

For all;

how bout a front court of Bradley and Woods it cost around $2mill, and both are potential starters or at least first big guys off the bench. any opinions???

204

Rand al Thor
ID: 83231216
Mon, Oct 21, 2002, 23:18

Hey guys. I rebuilt my line-up, using many of the great points I've read in these threads.

guard: McGrady, Bryant, 2 cheap guards (Ginobili, Giricek, ???)

Will probably trade Mcgrady in following his first big week. Use his big salary to help adjust my team to catch any major trains taking off. Bryant I plan to hold for as long as possible.

forward: Garnett, Jamison, Radmanovic, Kwame (or Gooden?). I like Jamison, alot, but still also considering Stojakovic.

centers: Divac, McCoy. I want to have a center in close price range to Dirk/Jermo/Wallace so when my RV goes up I can easily trade up to those guys. Plus Sac's schedule is very enticing. I like McCoy and I think he will get enough time and opportunities to put up some decent points early. If he makes the team that is! I live in the Toronto area and I know the media loves this guy, his teamates are always saying great things about him. I think he's in the right place at the right time. Wilkins probably won't start him, but he will play McCoy alot given the crazy number of injuries that toronto is always dealing with. anyway, ttyl.

205

Picadilly
ID: 22902116
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 02:13

Rand: fellow TOer and Raptor fan here!

206

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 14:37

ROSTER POSSIBLES:

Troy Hudson: with Lopez done for the year, will this up his value??? what do u think about him guys??? he played well last night in limited minutes

K.Brown: Fouled out last night and produced nothing i also read a report that said he will not start. What do u guys think???

Cheepies: post ne news you hear about these guys....

Areanus: some reports still say he won't start. He as played very well lately. I think him along wiht Jamison are great picks. Ne opinions???

S.Bradley: should he be consider at C??? ming is gone so he will see more minutes. He can reb and blk.

Woods: played reasonably well last night, but MIN is sooo deep in big men. what do make of his potential???

GUY'S i just statred shooting out points here, the discussion was dying mabey this will get u boys posting again. Feel free to post about ne player i missed, as there are a ton.

(GURU) still waiting a reply from one of my previous post...

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PGunn
ID: 139161620
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 14:46

Regarding Post #203 Greer, GURU owns and started this website and is one of the best fantasy sports players in the United States. Their was an article written about him in the NEW YORK TIMES. So yes he is one of the most educated managers in this forum. LOL.

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Micheal
ID: 12744225
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 17:29

According to grEEr, he's been here for years but doesn't know Gurus significance:

"i've been using their site for years, and i actually help them if u wanna know something".

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grEEr
ID: 15901611
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 18:56

hey, mike did it ever occur to us that i could use this site, with out being on the messageboards??? duh.

ahhh so the GURU is the famous Dave Hall. Who better to critque my roster....

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grEEr
ID: 15901611
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 19:00

guys, the question was fo Dave (Guru) so leave it alone. If he wants to address me fine, i welcome that and thank him. If not that fine too. As it is none of your business don't stick your nose in it.

Let's keep this link for discussing BASKETBALL stuff ok, i'm trying to interact positivly with the members here not start fights.

BACK ot business and good luck wiht the season guys. YEAH, memphis is on direvt TV tonight.

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qwert
ID: 29121518
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 19:18

greer, in terms of b-ball...

ming never played for dallas, and if you meant wang, he's not the reason bradley sucked, bradley is the reason he sucked

as for kwame not doing anything last night, 25 SWP is pretty good in my books for his price. Even if he doesn't start, Washington doesn't have the depth up fron to not give hime at least 25 minutes a game.

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PGunn
ID: 139161620
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 19:24

I'm thinking that GREER might be CHRIS EIBLING. What do you guys think? :)

213

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 19:36

chris who???

214

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 19:37

Memphis Fan, i'm watching the grizz play tonight and both GOODEN and GIRECK will be comming of the bench is this a sign of thigs to come??? and if so any word as the teh minutes they'll see???

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Micheal
ID: 12744225
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 19:38

Well, exactly how do you help and who are you helping then if you've never used the messageboard (which I find hard to believe if you've been here for years)??

216

Blooki
ID: 6838118
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 19:39

I personally don't think so PGunn. I think grEEr's just new to the site. Before he started posting here, I noticed him being very vocal on the TSN game's message boards. I figure he heard about www.rotoguru.com from a message there and decided to check it out. Just my hypothesis...

In any case, I welcome him and hope that, despite the obvious rumblings going on, his integration into this community is a smooth one overall.

217

RMBees
Leader
ID: 23519296
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 19:42

PGunn: Had same thought re: Greer. However, I think Mike D is scamming us again - posting for Greer

218

Micheal
ID: 12744225
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 19:56

I dealt with grEEr on the TSN boards and he is not Mike D.

219

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 20:04

OMG, guys i'll save u the trouble.

First i hate MIKE D with a passion and i assusre u i am not him.

I have known about this site for almost 3 years, i just read the articles and use the Assimilator. (my comment about helping people, was reguarding this year). This is my first year in Ultmaite hoops, but i am extremly familair with the format as i am a 5th year smallworld man. I started posting on this site, for the obvisous reasons, alot of good managers are a part of it.

I don't see why your all so hung up on it. All i'm trying to do is get/share information with basketball nuts like me. I geuss it all started when i tried to resule a conflict i saw starting. (i'll make sure to stay out of them in teh future) GOOD LUCK WITH THE SEASON, boys.

220

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 20:09

CENTERS...

what do u guys think of SEAN MARKS (the guy is white human highlight film). Pat Ryle clearly stated on multipule ocassions he will be part of a 3 man front court, he also has said Stepania suit the team better of the bench. is also .5k

also quickly SHAWN BRADLEY, yeah or nah??? wiht ming gone mabey, i know he aint' that talented but hey, he can grab boards and always get a ton of blks.

what's your take on these guys?

221

rockfish
ID: 531038288
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 20:15

greer or everwhat,just take it for fun.

i don't get no respect around here either,that's why i changed from phantasy stars. anybody got that link?

222

Micheal
ID: 12744225
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 20:19

Where did that hatred for Mike D come from? The assimilator? If you never used the message board, how would you know who he is or have any contact with him?

Yeah on Bradley.

223

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 20:25

I know MIKE D through, the TSN boards and he has pissed me and a number of my friedns and division mates off.

Damn (marks) is not listed as a center.

224

qwert
ID: 29121518
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 20:25

grEEr, sorry to beat a dead horse, but MING NEVER PLAYED FOR DALLAS. Just because there was a Chinese player on the Mavs, doesn't mean they're names are interchangeable.

225

Micheal
ID: 12744225
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 20:26

phantasy stars

Planet of the Eboons

Classic

226

Micheal
ID: 12744225
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 20:31

Zhizhi Dallas, F

Ming is the C for Houston

227

Picadilly
ID: 449422215
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 20:32

and this coming from a chinese fantasy manager, Yao is his last name and Ming is his first name. So technically he should be referred to Yao instead of Ming. Well unless... he's into the "first name only" calibre of NBA greats already...

228

rockfish
ID: 531038288
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 20:46

thanks mike,everytime i see that thread,having seen it when started-laugh myself silly. the games were free then and not so serious.:>/

229

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 20:58

grEEr:

Yup. Gooden and Giri will always be off the bench. At least till week 4-5 I bet, maybe longer. Gooden should get solid minutes as a 6, Giri is still questionable, when Dickerson gets his shot back, he'll push Giri out of the mix and they'll rotate Person/Dicky.

230

Micheal
ID: 12744225
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 21:12

grEEr

Are you getting "Mike Nice" confused with "Mike D"?

231

Mike D
Donor
ID: 13823206
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 21:23

Apparently. I've never been to the TSN boards.

232

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 21:28

Smart move. I read about 3 posts and realized there was nothing of worth on them.

233

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 21:34

grEEr:

How are you watching the Grizzlies? I can't even get the game locally. :(

234

Mike D
Donor
ID: 13823206
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 21:37

I saw them on my dish Memphis.

235

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 21:48

perhaps i mixed up teh MIKE'S. it was Pgay gun that brought about the confusion, (saying i was some one else).

I have direct TV (the memphis game was on). Looks like Gireck won't be that great a draft option.

NE news on Jarick and GINO???

236

joe suspect
Donor
ID: 298531714
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 21:53

PGunn - re:212. LOL for about 5 "minuets".

237

Micheal
ID: 12744225
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 22:01

OMG. You really thought Mike Nice was Mike D? You can't put 2 and 2 together, can you? Remember when you severely chastised me for my priorities in this game (money vs fun) on the TSN boards? Then you give me (Micheal) the password to your division and 10 minutes later there is a team called "Mike Nice" in it and you couldn't put all those clues together and figure out who it was? Then you come here and see me (Micheal, spelled the same way) and still can't figure it out. You are retarded.

238

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 22:02

grEEr;

Are you sure? Its not even on local TV. WPXX/FSO usually broadcast all their games.

Does directTV get games that even the local networks dont get? If so, I may have to get it!

239

Mike D
Donor
ID: 13823206
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 22:03

Memhpis, post 234, yes on the various Fox stations and Sunshine Network out of Florida. But, this changes when the season starts since you have to have League Pass----the other stations are blacked out.

240

Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 22:06

Well, that stinks! Locals should get to see the games! :) Was Giri on the bench? Hurt? Ive been watching him and I didn't think they would sit him the whole game unless he was hurt.

241

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 22:10

MIKE go to JAIL, directly and do not collect $200.

i have a saying "NEVER ARGUE WITH MORANS BECAUSE THEY BRING YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL AND WIN WITH EXPERIENCE!"

yeah, (NBA Leuage Pass) and option u can get form direct tv. It's great u get almost every NBA game for the entire season.

242

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 22:11

mike i never got u CONFUSED U FAG! some one was saying that a "mike" was posting under my name. NOW DROP IT YOU loser!!!

243

Mike D
Donor
ID: 13823206
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 22:11

Are either one of those posts directed at me?

244

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 22:13

ooo no, sorry! not u.

it just that other guy, he is so damn anoying. I can't wait to kick his ass in this game.

245

Micheal
ID: 12744225
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 22:14

Then how did you think Mike Nice (me) was Mike D if you weren't confusing the 2?

246

Rand al Thor
ID: 83231216
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 22:14

LOL. I was having a hard time wrapping my brain around the fact that someone could hate Mike D.
I always thought Mike D was a Hero.

CHRIS EIBLING, Had a big heart, a fixation with his CAPS LOCK key and loved exclamation marks!!!!!! I don't know if this is funny but...someone finally gave CHRIS a hard time about his horrible spelling, and then CHRIS comes back with the fact that he was in a wheelchair and had difficulty typing because of it. ouch. Then later he reveals that the wheelchair was a temporary thing cuz he sprained his ankle or something. lol. sheesh, what a maroon. Anyway, he polled his fellow posters and came up with a new board name. Smackdown, i think.

Hey, Picadilly, I actually live north of T.O. in the Blue Mountain area.
So how's it going there, eh?

247

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 22:17

I from Toronto as well. (North York)

I got a learning disability so lay off!!! hehe.

can someone tell (micheal) to SHUT UP???

248

Mike D
Donor
ID: 13823206
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 22:18

Rand al Thor, great history on Chris Eibling (if there is such a thing). And I thought I was only a hero to my 3 children and to RFS. ;)

249

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 22:25

mike your my HERO too. :)

250

Mike D
Donor
ID: 13823206
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 22:27

Man, I think I have a tear in my eye.

(Either that or the Budweiser sprayed when I popped the can open) ;)

251

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 22:29

Is Mike D the one that got the Art Glover award for posting like 20 times out of 25 in his own thread last year? LoL...I don't remember. I thought that was a Mike though.

Memphis Fan-
You just made me re-think my entire roster. LOL...Kwame vs Gooden or maybe even go anything direction.

Good luck fellas with good opening drafts.

THK

252

Picadilly
ID: 449422215
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 22:29

Rand and grEEr: i'm much closer to grEEr, north scarborough. Things are not good in raptorland!! I can see vince leading the league in minutes per this season

253

Mike D
Donor
ID: 13823206
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 22:30

TaRhEElKiD, I believe it was the "Art Jr." award, and it was actually more like 33 posts in a thread of 38.

Not that I recall. ;)

254

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 22:33

ne one intrested in CRITIQUING rosters with me. Meaning we e-mail each other our rosters and rip on each others while the other guy defends why the players are there.

If u defend sucessfully, then your roster is worthy. my e-mail is jmatthewgreer@hotmail.com or u can use the link.

255

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 00:00

LMAO @ Mike D.

I thought it may be higher, but was afraid to go out of range. LoL, and I didn't think Art Glover award was the correct name, but I just remembered that is who is was started for. Haha...that was a funny night.

THK

256

Dave R
Leader
ID: 12441623
Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 00:35

Mike D, you should switch to light beer.

Not only is it less filling but less irritating on the eyes

257

rockafellerskank
Sustainer
ID: 30831210
Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 00:38

Mike D: #248.... Did your kids lose a SuperBowl bet to you too?

rfs

258

Mike D
Donor
ID: 13823206
Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 00:41

Yup. They took the Diamondbacks and thought they won.

259

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Wed, Oct 23, 2002, 12:37

this year world series is pretty coll for em, as i have been to both Edision and Pac BEll.

260

Smackdown
ID: 51054300
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 21:06

212 PGunn
ID: 139161620
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 19:24 I'm thinking that GREER might be CHRIS EIBLING. What do you guys think? :)

Greetings to you to PGUNN! It is amazing how you have remembered my name. Good Job!

261

Smackdown
ID: 51054300
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 21:17

236 joe suspect
Donor
ID: 298531714
Tue, Oct 22, 2002, 21:53 PGunn - re:212. LOL for about 5 "minuets".

And I laughed as well when I saw a year later that everybody knows my name. I have been mentioned in this forum more than MJ! LOL

262

Smackdown
ID: 51054300
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 21:21

246 Rand al Thor

Damn am I ever popular! Yes I was very cripled last year. I do not see how that makes me a moron? I changed my name cause I was feeling the heat to do so. I have a web site if you want me to post my life story?

263

Smackdown
ID: 51054300
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 21:44

Okay back to the reason I am in here: BASKETBALL!
I am going to use this philosophy.... I love my Stud F's...So I am going with the 3 headed monster attack because with so many cheap C’s and G's I figure why not take the solid F's and wait and see what Cheapies are going to be legit?
Here is my tentative Roster. Tear it up Folks!
G Ward, Charlie
G Satterfield, Kenny DEN
G Jaric, Marko LAC
G Ginobili, Emmanuel

F Duncan, Tim
F Garnett, Kevin MIN
F Webber, Chris SAC
F Hill, Grant ORL

C Blount, Mark DEN
C McCoy, Jelani

Now realize this…I still have 3.4 Mil on the bench and I plan on shifting a center and maybe a few guards but my F's are going FORWARD!

264

AHSbball05
ID: 34992216
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 21:53

hahahahaha thats tight

265

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 21:59

I would look into Bobby Jackson to head up your sorry G's. It is tough going with G's that weak...but I guess your F's justify that.

THK

266

Rand al Thor
ID: 83231216
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 22:45

LOL! Hey Smackdown, good luck this year. I trust you realize my post was not meant to be mean-spirited, I mean, I said you had a big heart...that's gotta count for something. Your team looks pretty interesting, hope it works for you. Oh, and there really is no need to post your web site, or anything like that, I know as much as I need to. Peace, bro.

My grampa always told me: 'Just cuz you don't like raisins, doesn't mean you won't like toasted raisin bread with butter.' Oh yeah, words to live by.

267

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 23:22

why is are people so high on GINO. he has done nothig in the PRESEASON.

am i mising something???

268

joe suspect
Donor
ID: 298531714
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 23:36

263 Smackdown
Non-Donor
ID: 51054300
Thu, Oct 24, 2002, 21:44

Satterfield has done nothing this preseason and Denver just traded for Chris Whitney.
Also, look at Jaric's minute/TSNP ratio: When you adjust the points for the minutes he will actually get, you are looking at 12 tsnp/g.

GrEEr - Perhaps people are high on Gino due to his projected averages on rotowire. If you run those numbers, he will come up as your 4th guard every time.

270

Y2JS
ID: 54913237
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 00:37

For the love of god stop talking about Kenny Satterfield

271

NickJYD
ID: 309142412
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 02:41

Why stop talking about Satterfield??...he and Arenas...and actually Jelani McCoy too...they all put up nice numbers tonight.

272

Smackdown
ID: 51054300
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 11:58

joe suspect
Goodpoint on the Guards! Be certain I will make a Guard Overhaul! In fact I may even back one Forward up and get a Stud guard. I also feel I may want to start the season with a roster close to the Norm pick-up players. Scoop up some good cash gain in that first day of price moves then feel what Cheapies I want to move to. Otherwise it is so hard to tell from Preseason. Kind of like lotto numbers.

Rand al Thor
Ya I did not take it in a bad way...Just very surprised to see 3 different people mention my name..I had no idea I was that popular. Bottom line is I will not respond to mean spirited or rude post this year. All that does is fuel them. I am here to talk B Ball. Nothing like reading a thread and then you run into 20 post all about an Arguing match. NOTE: I see the post still have arguments without me. I guess it was not just me, yet the nature of opinions in the threads?

273

Smackdown
ID: 51054300
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 12:53

NickJYD
Ya I have not seen him play yet...I just wanted to get my forwards then fill in the rest with cheapies and see what cash I had left over. Then I will take what is left and try to get the best for that amount..like a Bobby Jackson.
See I feel I like to go with Cheapies that are going to be starters. I like to get cheapies that will get the minuets that way I have a better chance of getting my 20 TSN's for a guy that cost 500 K. I think if you can get guys for that amount with that production then it is a slamdunk for point per K. Then spend your money on the studs that are the best points per K and have a great schedule as well.

274

TwoPumps
ID: 21058102
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 15:03

I posted this on the other threads...so forgive me for the double posts. But just would like to hear some opinions on this.

Anyone have an opinon on Dan Gadzuric from Milwauekee when this guy has gotten the minutes he has really produced. He is actually averaging more points on average then McCoy. Does anyone know more about this guy and the center situation in Milwaukee?

Also anyone know what the deal is with Danny Fortson?. This guy was a monster on the boards a few years back? Just wondering where he is and if there is any chance he will cut into T-Murf's(lets see if the nickname sticks :) )minutes

Finally What are people deciding to do with Miles?. His overall schedule to start the year is great, making him a good long term hold...but does his 1 in 5 during the first week, keep him off most opening day roster?...

Thanks

275

Mark L
Leader
ID: 4444938
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 15:14

I hope my more knowledgeable buddy Skip corrects any errors in this post, but I think Gadzuric is a very intriguing pick. Przybilla is out for at least the first couple weeks of the season. Ervin Johnson is probably the only other player on the roster capable of defending the post and he is really showing his age. (Never has had any offensive game of any kind.) The thing that worries me most about Gadzuric is Karl's traditional disdain for rookies. But with Ervin being so ineffective I'm not sure Karl has much choice but to give Gadzuric significant (20+) minutes, at least at the start of the season (unfortunately the Bucks' early schedule is crap). I have seen a couple of references in the Milw. papers to the effect that Mason will take the other team's 5 on defense, but I find it hard to believe that could be anything other than disinformation.

276

Smackdown
ID: 51054300
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 19:28

What does anyone think about Ricky Davis at the G? Another player I have not heard much about is Rookie Mike Dunleavy?

I know Davis has been rolling, but Leavy? Any word on how he has done this preseason?

277

joe suspect
Donor
ID: 298531714
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 19:36

He's getting better, but I doubt he will see as mnay minutes as he did during the preseason.

Dunleavy

278

Micheal
ID: 12744225
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 19:53

Heres something I put together:

Payton, Arenas, B. Jackson, Giricek
Duncan, Garnett, Gooden, K. Brown
McCoy, EMPTY

1.26 left

279

Smackdown
ID: 51054300
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 21:36

Micheal
Denver's Center? He will get you 20 TSN a game?
B Jack...Hmmm what about spending that cash on Billips or Ricky Davis?

280

Smackdown
ID: 51054300
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 21:38

joe suspect

I read he is starting..how will that diminish his minuets?

281

TwoPumps
ID: 21058102
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 21:44

WOW Howard suspeneded for first 2 games...that is a good 8 boards and 20 pts a game to go to someone else...the Denver options starting to look a lot better

282

Micheal
ID: 12744225
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 21:53

Why is everyone so high on Blount. Granted I haven't seen him play, but his numbers are nothing special. He has 62 points in 140 minutes. Woods has 120.5 in 137 minutes. Bradley has 173.5 in 136 minutes.

What is Mark Blounts appeal?

283

Micheal
ID: 12744225
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 22:13

Smackdown

Why not Jackson? I did a little research because I thought that I missed something, but Bibby is still out for the first month of the season, he has more points than Billups or Davis (he has played more minutes though), is cheaper and plays for SAC who has one of the best schedules to start. Where is the downside to Jackson? Or better yet, what does Davis or Billups have on Jackson?

284

joe suspect
Donor
ID: 298531714
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 22:14

Smackdown -- just a hunch. I think that they gave him extra minutes in the preseason to evaluate him b/c they already knew what they had with Battier and Person/Dickerson and the 2/3 position.

Look at his minutes/tsnp ratio: It is subpar. The only way West allows a rookie to get 36m/g is if he was the 2nd coming of West himself.

285

Micheal
ID: 12744225
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 22:19

If your talking about Dunleavy he plays for GS not MEM.

286

TaRhEElKiD
ID: 42109719
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 22:26

I am having a tough time deciding between Billups or Arenas. This is a tough one I think. I may split the difference and go Arenas on 1 and Billups on 1...Right now I have Billups on both.

What do you guys think?

THK

287

Micheal
ID: 12744225
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 22:37

Arenas all the way. Good schedule, don't have to use a trade. His numbers are better 225 points in 221 minutes as opposed to Billups 114 points to 137 minutes. Arenas avg more than a point a minute for a million less.

288

p...
ID: 1545375
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 23:06

THK,

I would say put Arenas on both teams.

289

TwoPumps
ID: 21058102
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 23:13

Wow monster game for Miles...and good game for Gadzuric two guys I have bene hyping the last few days. If Gadzuric schedule was better he might be the best 500k center!

290

Smackdown
ID: 51054300
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 23:16

Micheal

Ya you are right. I had just read many post where people were not on the B Jack wagon and I though I would ask why or why not. I think he will be a great option even though he is not an assist getter not to mention his team has many big guys that pass the ball well. Ricky Davis!!!!! I hear nothing on him and he is below the mid range pricing for a guard. I think Arenas is a hit but a little more expensive than what I wanted to see him at. Billips is going to be a wait and see deal.

291

p...
ID: 1545375
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 23:33

I think Arenas is a great option in the 3-6 mil range! Check out his preseason stats

Especially looking at his minutes column. His averages are quite good for the amount of minutes hes been playing in preseason and he also has a nice 3 week sched.

292

jedman
Sustainer
ID: 40746414
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 23:36

Isn't Ricky Davis listed as a forward?

293

Smackdown
ID: 51054300
Fri, Oct 25, 2002, 23:59

jedman
You are right he is! He does not play that Position! He was listed at the Guard spot last year in TSN. His own team has him listed at Guard.

Take a look link

294

jedman
Sustainer
ID: 40746414
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 00:07

I'm sure he will be listed as a guard eventually after he plays enough games there, just can't draft him as a guard.

295

Smackdown
ID: 51054300
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 00:34

I want to free up some cash at the forward spot but I cannot come to terms with releasing CWebb, KG, or TD. I want all of them. Here is the reason why: If I buy just KG and TD then Webb will bust a 70-point night. If I take KG and Webb then TD will blow up for a 70-point night and so on! So I was thinking.... Ya I know..... Anyways...What players are the most consistent or have the highest % of getting a 60 - 70 point night. Hmmm...TD, Webb, KG, A Miller, Kidd. Those I think are the top 5? Of course occasionally T-Mac, Kobe, Pierce, and shaq when he plays. Of course there are others like GP, The Funk, Brand, Iverson, Francis (When he is playing), B Davis, Wallace, ect..... I guess I am trying to point out that the 5 mentioned above could probably hands down beat any assembled team. Just fill in the other positions with the cheapest for the buck players. Granted no one can afford that right now but I have gone with Hill, TD, KG, and Webb at the forward spot. My guards are Ward (I like this sleeper), arenas, and two of the cheapies around. Round out the centers with another two 500k players and there is my team.
Feel free to let me know if I am cracked in the head?

296

TwoPumps
ID: 21058102
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 01:36

The thing with Arenas is that when Bobby Sura comes back you can cut at least 10 minutes from his playing time... that being said I think his schedule and his defensive skills make him a good option...Just when you cut it down would we want 35 from 5 mill guy or 15-20 from a 500K one that is the dilema

297

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 02:36

GINO is finialy showing some thing,eh.

Jarick and him may be decent options after after all.

298

TwoPumps
ID: 21058102
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 02:45

Gino's 15 minutes...doesnt impress me...for some reason I think he might be a minutes victim

299

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 03:01

i've been skeptical of GINO all season, after his to high light real plays and world's play, i'll role with him to start.

OK......... WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH WEBBER.....???

he is the on;y option i'm strugleing with, NE 1 have ne INFO ON HIM???

300

Smackdown
ID: 51054300
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 03:30

I remember in the free league last year where I had about the same team as another member of my division. Well he had KG, TD and a 2.5 mil center (NJ), Tinsley at Guard along with Chi Guard G Anthony. We had identical teams other than a difference in our centers.
My point here is that after December and January had gone by I noticed he had not made a trade since late November. His team was inactive –abandoned. Yet he was only 2-3 hundred points behind me and I was using trades like crazy where he had over 16 saved because he had an inactive team. He was even getting DNP’s from Anthony out with injuries. But he had the two best players you could buy at the time..KG and TD!! Webb was hurt so it made an easy decision. I look back at that and realize that I wasted trades chasing either big money movers or having to sell after changing my cash over to the center spot to get Shaq only to have him miss another game ect… What a waste! I was so fed up with Shaq always sitting for whatever reason. Of course I realize you do not want to run your team like that always because you need to trade to earn cash, but I feel I should spend the cash on the big dogs and fill out the rest with cheapies.
Anyone agree?

301

p...
ID: 1545375
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 06:34

Heres My Dillema and i'll see if anyone can help me.

For the first two weeks of the season, would it be better to have

Gilbert Arenas and
Grant Hill
with 1.1 mil in the bank

or

Kobe Bryant and
Drew Gooden
with .12 mil in the bank

or

Tracy McGrady and
Kwame Brown
with .22 mil in the bank

Its a tough decision for me, Any preferences? or suggestions?

302

Scrambled Eggs
ID: 54829225
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 09:45

P... I'd go with your second combo for two reasons; first of all, Gooden has showed some great potential in the preseason. Even though he might get less minutes, he is still a very good option to make some money. Second reason is that I think that Kobe will put up some numbers with Shaq out. I don't like Kobe personally, but with the strong schedule LA has, it seems to be a good pick.

303

p...
ID: 1545375
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 09:56

Scrambled Eggs,

Thats very true. Too bad kobe has that 1 in 6 starting week 2! I would probably have to sell him on 11/9 if I do draft him.

304

Scrambled Eggs
ID: 54829225
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 10:07

LA comes back with a very nice schedule after that though (29 games in first 2 months together), so you could decide to sit out 9-11 'till 15-11, to save a trade. But I could imagine that you wouldn't want that much $$$ on the bench that long.

305

Jupiter
ID: 469172522
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 10:38

Comments

Payton,Arenas,Palicio,B Jackson
Garnett,Nowitzi,D Miles, K Brown
J Mccoy, Garzuric

306

p...
ID: 1545375
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 11:12

Is anyone else concerned by Grant Hills not-so-great preseason in which he averaged 25 TSNP in 26 minutes!?

It has made me think twice about drafting him. What about everybody else? are you still planning to have him on your opening day rosters?

307

joe suspect
Donor
ID: 298531714
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 12:57

Re: 284...somehow I got confused and started talking about Giricek, not Dunleavy...

308

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 15:32

Ok guys, EVALUATE MY ROSTERS:

Team 1 (stud/cheepie approach)
G Jackson, Bobby $4,040,000
G Hudson, Troy $3,880,000
G Jaric, Marko $500,000
G Ginobili, Emmanuel $500,000

F Duncan, Tim $12,100,000
F Garnett, Kevin $11,100,000
F Webber, Chris $10,660,000
F Miles, Darius $5,610,000

C Woods, Loren $860,000
C McCoy, Jelani $500,000

$250,000 in the bank.

NOTE: i know i'll probably lose out on some of the cheap Foward money trains. But this will be huge for points. I think the GAURD position will price move even more (people will be going with stud foards). THIS ROSTER WILL SAVE HUGE ON TRADES.

Team 2 (more ballanced)

G McGrady, Tracy $9,750,000
G Arenas, Gilbert $4,940,000
G Jackson, Bobby $4,040,000
G Palacio, Milt $1,110,000

F Duncan, Tim $12,100,000
F Garnett, Kevin $11,100,000
F Murphy, Troy $2,680,000
F Brown, Kwame $2,320,000

C Woods, Loren $860,000
C McCoy, Jelani $500,000

$600,000 in the bank. This should produce tons of points and gain alot of $$$. However i can see my self using alot of trades.

SO ANY ADVICE???

309

Burnettsville
Donor
ID: 319362319
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 15:48

greer, IMHO, Team 2 would be better if you went:
Palacio > the 500,000 guard of your choice
Brown > Gooden

310

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 17:03

mabey, the point of was to have one team staying away formt he .5k gaurds in case they bust.

I want to diversify the teams.

311

Micheal
ID: 12744225
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 19:48

I think you should change your second team because it looks exactly like mine, except for Tmac.

312

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 22:33

well micheal, looks like it will be a close race in our division.
*my roster will probably change though (i don't usually post my final sets)

NE 1 have new about Webber???

313

grEEr
ID: 15901611
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 22:34

"news"

314

Micheal
ID: 12744225
Sat, Oct 26, 2002, 23:45

Don't start correcting your horrendous errors now. "mabey". HAHA

315

p...
ID: 1545375
Sun, Oct 27, 2002, 00:50

Troy Murphy going to be the Warriors
opening night starter?

"I would say Troy's earned the starting spot," Musselman said before Friday night's 87-79 loss to the Phoenix Suns at America West Arena, the last of the team's eight preseason games. "He's just done a really good job."

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