| Posted by: Micheal
- [11935222] Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 04:31
The "commish" in my Yahoo league has vetoed a trade that everyone in the league has agreed to let go through. The players involved are:
Garnett for J. Rose, B. Barry, K. Martin
He has vetoed it and the reason being is that "KG is not worth all those players". Martin for KG is a no brainer. The problem seems to lie with Rose and Barry. I say let the trade go through.
After he trades Rose and Barry his guards are: Payton, Francis, Mobley, B. Jackson, T. Hudson, Mercer. IMO he loses nothing by letting them go.
After he trades Martin his forwards are: B. Wallace, E. Griffen, Skinner, B. Grant, M. Allen and Kwame. So you can see why he would be anxious to get KG.
The team receiving KG is ranked 2nd and the "commish" is ranked 3rd. It is my opinion that the "commish" does not want him to have KG fearing that he might not be able to beat him. He says that he is saving the guy from himself.
None of the teams involved are mine and I'm nowhere near the top of the division, so my opinion is not biased. Words have been exchanged between me and the "commish" (who is pretty well known here) and he said that he'll let it go through if that is the consensus here. |
| 1 | Mike D Donor
ID: 1910076 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 06:33
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I think it should go through.
But, I have a real problem with a commish making a decision that differs from the entire league. How can one person make that call over the entire league, assuming you aren't generalizing that?
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| 2 | Micheal
ID: 27431323 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 07:38
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I checked and the actual vote so far is 5:1 - obviously the 1 being the commish. I thought it was more. It's only a 9 team league though. If you knew the commish I think you would agree that he has hidden motives for vetoing the trade. His rep around here is worse than mine.
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| 3 | DR Stars
ID: 0839516 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 08:06
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I would let it through as well, it's not like any of the teams is making a mistake.
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| 4 | Ender
ID: 52438315 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 08:10
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I would NOT veto that trade.
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| 5 | Peter N. Donor
ID: 1710123 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 08:13
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I would NOT veto that trade
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| 6 | darkside Leader
ID: 516203012 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 08:24
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I see no reason for a veto.
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| 7 | Myboyjack Leader
ID: 108231015 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 08:29
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No to veto. Just because the commish might not make that same trade doesn't mean it so far beyond discretion to be veto worthy.
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| 8 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 08:48
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Is this point scoring or roto scoring? Brent Barry can be a real stud in roto scoring formats.
3:1 trades can be very difficult to evaluate. Which two guards would be promoted from the bench if the trade goes through? For the sake of discussion, let's assume that Barry and Rose would be replaced by Hudson and Mercer. In that case, the exchange is Garnett/Hudson/Mercer for Rose/Barry/KMart. Does that seem viable as a 3:3 trade?
Without knowing how your league is scored, I can't opine on the balance of the trade.
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| 9 | Micheal
ID: 27431323 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 09:12
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Guru, it is standard roto scoring: FG%, FT%, 3ptm, pts, reb, ast, stl, blk.
I just checked the standings and the "commish" is now in 2nd by .5 and the manager he denied Garnett is now in 3rd. Had the trade happened 4 days ago like it should have he would no doubt still be in first (he has dropped over the last 3 days) with KG's huge game yesterday and his nice one the game before.
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| 10 | WeBeJammin
ID: 315461412 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 09:32
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NO VETO
The will of the league should be the deciding factor. The commissioner should resolve conflicts, not cause them.
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| 11 | Ref Donor
ID: 28045169 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 10:19
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I wouldn't veto, but if I was dumping KG, I'd redo the trade and throw in a scrub you were going to have to drop anyhow. ;)
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| 12 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 10:40
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I agree that the role of the commish should be to rule on a trade only if there is a protest. Arguably, since the commish is a member of the league, perhaps he is first protesting as a manager, and then ruling. It is important that the rest of the league not be able to gang up on the commish. So if a trade is clearly lopsided, it is OK for the commish to be a lone voice in overturning.
However...
In this case, I see no evidence that the trade is necessarily lopsided. In fact, using stats through the first 10 days of the year (an admittedly insignificant sample), it appears to me that the trade slightly benefits the guy who is getting Garnett, strictly from the perspective of stats gained and lost. Of course, this could be different in the context of your league results. For example, if a teams gets extra scoring, but already leads in scoring, then that benefit may be moot.
Bottom line - no one has yet suggested a compelling reason to veto this trade. In fact, it is possible that both teams could benefit.
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| 13 | Ref Donor
ID: 28045169 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 11:42
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To add to Guru's post, the guy will also have two more players filling in those slots to add to his stats. Garnett is taking 3 players stats so to speak and putting them in one and only counts one game against you (if there is a max). I like the trade. But again, if I were involved, I'd rework the trade and have the garnett guy throw a scrub or two he was gonna dump anyhow.
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| 14 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 369242111 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 13:18
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K-mart, Barry and rose for Garnett?
how could this be a fair trade? at the end of the season those 3 players combined state will be allot higher than KG's
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| 15 | Myboyjack Leader
ID: 108231015 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 13:25
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Well, there you have it.
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| 16 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 13:25
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Youngbuck - That last comment was undoubtedly correct and also absurdly irrelevant.
It is wholly inappropriate to make an assessment based on the stat totals of three players vs. the stat totals for one.
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| 17 | Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 14:25
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Your assuming that the other two slots will score zero. Which wont be true, since is a 6 team league he not doubt has a nice bench and there are QUITE a few good waivers.
That said, In such a small league I believe it is most important to have quality studs instead of talent spread over more players due to the quality of waivers. So I can understand where the Commish is coming from, but I think he's being a little too active in policing the league.
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| 18 | biliruben Sustainer
ID: 3502218 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 14:30
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Actually, I don't understand where the commish is coming from. He claims that Garnett "is not worth all those players," which is the opposite of the conclusion that you (memphis fan) and me, for that matter, are coming to.
My personal thought is that if their is even a discussion point as to which side is getting the better deal, the commish has no business getting involved. If it isn't collusion or dumping, move along.
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| 19 | roy2013 Sustainer
ID: 582201212 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 14:58
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K-Mart, Barry and Rose vs Garnett and 2 other slots (waivers, free agents, bench players) As a long-time former ROTO player in Sandbox and CBS Sportsline (never again!!), it's a trade I might make myself depending on who I had in mind for the other two slots.
Discussion here seems overwhelming to allow the trade. Is commish going to listen to sage advice from all these respected sources (excluding myself, of course).
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| 20 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 15:12
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BTW, some of you may recall a similarly flawed argument made about Shaq in a published article by Small World's Ben Kaplan two seasons ago. I put out this essay to discuss why it is incorrect to compare one player's stats vs. the totals for a combination of other players. This was in relation to the SW game, not a roto-game - but the general logic holds for either framework.
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| 21 | Bob Marley
ID: 199553110 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 15:12
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My team is the team involved and I am receiving Barry, Rose, and Martin and the commish who is the notorious Youngbuck, has the trade go through.
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| 22 | Myboyjack Leader
ID: 108231015 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 15:14
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Suddenly, it's all becoming clearer...
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| 23 | Blooki
ID: 6838118 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 15:19
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LOL!
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| 24 | Blooki
ID: 6838118 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 15:20
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I say that the league band together and when propose the trade again have everyone demand that it be allowed under the threat that if it isn't, everybody will waive all of their players leaving Youngbuck with nobody to play with.
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| 25 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 241042712 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 16:18
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Who among us didn't think the commish was youngbuck from the original post? LMAO
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| 26 | roy2013 Sustainer
ID: 582201212 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 16:23
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...or especially after seeing post 14.
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| 27 | KnicksFan Donor
ID: 439341814 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 18:29
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Hey what has YOUNGBUCK done around here to earn this reputation? Oh yeah, that. And that. And that....
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| 28 | Micheal
ID: 12744225 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 18:57
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Thanx for the input fellas. I didn't want to name names because I wanted unbiased opinions about the trade and any thread that has YOUNGBUCK in it eventually turns into a circus. He's going to put the trade through and sent this e-mail out directed towards me:
I am just trying to make sure the trade was going to be fair to the whole league. I did not do this for the sake of my team. So I will allow the trade to go through. and there was no need to bad mouth the COMMISH cause I CAN and WILL lock your team, so watch your mouth.
I knew YOUNGBUCK going in, so I can't complain. The Political Gurupie league is so much more quiet.
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| 29 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 19:37
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I was going to ask why anyone (in their right mind) would join that league...
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| 30 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 19:54
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oh ouch, your so funny "Guru".....
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| 31 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 20:00
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"Guru",
I dont get it? you and fellow gurupies continually bash me and you expect me to be quite instead of retaliating. so if talk bad about you are you going to ban me from the boards again?.
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| 32 | Jody
ID: 511049819 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 20:49
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Please stop picking on my brother Henry. He's very sensitive. He throws some crazy tantrums sometimes. I don't think he's crying or anything, but he got so mad earlier he threw his Ernie doll in the swimming pool. He seems pretty calm and quiet now. I think he's in his room taking a nap. I hope he feels better.
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| 33 | KnicksFan Donor
ID: 439341814 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 20:50
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LMAO
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| 34 | Memphis Fan
ID: 36851518 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 21:24
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LOL! Too funny, I should have known it was YB. :)
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| 35 | balls
ID: 521038621 Fri, Nov 08, 2002, 23:37
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HAHA!
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| 36 | Tree
ID: 11035121 Sat, Nov 09, 2002, 07:36
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sometimes, i wonder if YB is old enough to drink. other times, i wonder if he's old enough to drive.
but more often than not, i wonder how he has all this time for fantasy sports when he's got an upcoming bar mitzvah to study for.
Tree today, i am a fountain pen.
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| 37 | Rubalamp
ID: 6615911 Sat, Nov 09, 2002, 09:25
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Is there anyway to Impeach a commissioner?? I would recommend looking into that route...
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| 38 | Micheal
ID: 12744225 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 07:01
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I wish there was. Get this. Now YB has made the league into a no waiver league so that he can have first choice of players that are dropped in trades. An example: In the above trade, one manager had to drop a player so he dropped J. Wiliams (why I don't know). YB puts the trade through at 2:56 and at 2:57 scoops up JWill. Instead of JWill going to waivers he goes to the free agent pool where anyone can pick him up and our commish just happens to be Johnny on the spot since he just put the trade through.
I suppose this was for the good of the league too.
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| 39 | Mike D Donor
ID: 1910076 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 07:30
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If that's true, I'd quit the league immediately.
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| 41 | Tree
ID: 11035121 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 08:07
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not for nothing, but is it too late to start over with a league?
if all this stuff is really going on, you're playing at a decided disadvantage, against someone who cares nothing about enjoying the game, just winning.
if you can start a new league from this point on, it's early enough in the season to still enjoy it. just make the first rule "no YBs"..
peace, Tree
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| 42 | deepsnapper Sustainer
ID: 241042712 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 08:51
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Can't see the transaction, but if it's true, then its cheating
There is no other word for it. If it were me, I'd let him play with himself.
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| 43 | louky Sustainer
ID: 527283021 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 09:08
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deepsnapper, I'd say chances are pretty good that he's allready doing that.
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| 44 | Rubalamp
ID: 6615911 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 10:10
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What the Heck were you guys expecting...he is in one of my leagues. Thankfully, not as commissioner, but he is total jerk on these boards...There is a bit about personality that comes out over these forums that are accurate enough to base this stuff on...
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| 45 | chode
ID: 1810431921 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 11:58
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I agree with Tree. You're only 2 weeks into the season. Get the other managers to go with you. If you stay and hope things like this won't continue for the next 5 months, you can't say you weren't warned. No league is worth the aggravation you'll undoubtedly experience trying to 'compete' with a jerk like that. Quit the league and tell YB where he can stick it.
Let this also be a lesson to anyone who's invited to play with this guy in the future, whether he's commish or not. Like deepsnapper said, that's cheating, plain and simple.
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| 46 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 3711402623 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 12:03
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I guess there's no way for him to relinquish the commish position even if you got him to agree to it, huh? Chode and Tree are right. Send a message to the group, make sure they know what he's pulling with the waiver and offer to form a new league in which he won't be invited. This way everyone wins. You guys get a level playing field and Youngbuck is guaranteed a league championship.
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| 47 | roy2013 Sustainer
ID: 32948269 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 12:59
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Yep, I did that last year in CBS Sportsline when "two" teams traded their 1,2,4,6,7 draft picks for the other's bottom 5 picks, everyone moved over to a new league with me, and we all enjoyed the rest of the season.
Good luck with it Michael,and fellow YB-Commish league members...
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| 48 | Farn Donor
ID: 7822711 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 13:07
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You signed up for a league with him as the Commish? What was he offering, an official NBA basketball as the prize?
"(Young)BuckFutter!"
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| 49 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 15:42
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The rules were given AHEAD of time. NO WAIVERS!!!
ITS NOT MY FAULT!!!!
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| 50 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 4310481015 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 16:53
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michael,
the rules were set before we drafted, so dont act like I just changed the rules of the league that minuete!
the other managers in the league are the ones bugging me about processing the trade! if they want a fair shot at the dropped players then they should wait the full extent of the trade process! simple as that!
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| 51 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor
ID: 266182910 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 16:53
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While it does suck and I can't understand why anyone would join a league with YOUNGBUCK as the commish, it was set up as a 0 day Waiver league, as shown by post #40 in this thread. That said, a 0-day waiver league just doesn't seem "right" and I think it's pretty lame for the commish to just take a player 1 minute after he allowed a trade to go through that forced a team to drop said player. I guess the saying, "you get what you pay for" could be modified to "you get what you sign up for."
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| 52 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 4310481015 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 16:58
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whats wrong with a 0 day waiver league????
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| 53 | Micheal
ID: 12744225 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:08
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YOUNGBUCK said "tough, suck it up" and that was the last straw for me. I know YB and how he is and knew what I was getting into, so I'm not complaining. I dropped all my players and hopefully someone other than YB will get them. I still have a team in the Political Gurupies league, so dropping this one is no biggie.
YB, you're not tlooking out for the league, only yourself. I'm more convinced now than ever that you didn't let that trade through for personal reasons and not "it's not fair to the league".
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| 54 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:09
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I did what you told me to do and let the trade go through! what else do you want from me?
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| 56 | Micheal
ID: 12744225 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:12
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Nothing now, I quit.
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| 57 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:13
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THAT WAS BS MICHAEL.
no YOU just ruined the whole league. thanks allot!
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| 58 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor
ID: 266182910 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:13
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The main issue with a 0-day waiver league is that not everybody has a fair shot at picking up players that are released by other teams. This is especially a bigger deal when a league is internet based. For instance, say Joe Schmoe works during the day and would have waiver priority in a "normal" league. Say 2 other managers don't. One of the managers not tied down by work releases a player and the other non-working manager picks him up immediately, or during the period that Joe is at work. How is that fair to Joe? He gets penalized because he has to work. In most leagues, with a waiver period, Joe would have a legitimate shot at picking up the dropped player, as he should. It just makes it so that everyone in the league has a shot, not those that are signed on at just the right time. In your position, it's particularly lame because you, and only you, know the exact time that you're going to let the trade go through. Because of that, it allows you a completely unfair advantage over the other teams, unless one is miraculously online checking their team in that 60 second window you were generous enough to provide. And even if everyone knew what time the trade were going to be approved, it's pretty lame to make it a free-for-all for picking up the player. At that point, it becomes a contest of internet connection and clicking. Sounds real fair, eh? Just look at it this way: If you were a manager who would have waiver priority in any other "normal" league and you were in this league and Michael were commisioner, are you honestly going to say that you wouldn't have a problem with him giving the o.k. to a trade, then instantly picking up the extra player? I think you'd be lying to yourself if you said yes.
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| 59 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:14
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then they should stop bitching about being trades going to slow.
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| 60 | Micheal
ID: 12744225 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:21
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What are you complaining about? Your online and can scoop up all my players and win. That's what you want isn't it? They were bitching because you should have put the trade through 3 days earlier and Dumplings missed KG's 2 huge games so asked you to push it through right away. I quit not just because of that, but because of your attitude. Telling us to suck it up was not the right answer and I'm not going to play 5 more months with you and put up with s*it like this and you just looking out for yourself.
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| 61 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:22
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KKB,
YES!
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| 62 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:23
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you have issues buddy. seek help.
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| 63 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:25
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WHY DID YOU HAVE TO DROP ALL YOUR PLAYERS?
there are other people in that league also! if you wanted to quit I could just locked your team and that would be it! but you just ruined it for the rest of the people still interseted in playing you little prick!
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| 64 | Micheal
ID: 12744225 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:32
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You're concerned about the league? What a joke! If you're so concerned about fairness why did you scoop up Jamison, Walker and Terry? You should get Swift too before someone else does.
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| 65 | Tree
ID: 5310241016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:33
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honestly speaking, anyone here who has any familiarity with YB and his posts here at at rotoguru should have known better than to join a league that he was running - to a certain extent, you kinda got what you deserved.
now, based on his responses to just about any post EVER, i don't believe he's of bar mitzvah age yet. i also can't believe anyone would WANT to play with him...
as for you Michael, i think you should feel awfully guilty for ruining the whole league.
really, really really guilty. terrible in fact. maybe even despondent. in fact, perhaps suicide is an answer...
LOL..i kill myself...kidding - i think you should congratulate yourself for peeing in YB's personal trophy punch bowl.
peace, Tree
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| 66 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:36
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TREE,
what the hell are you talking about?
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| 67 | Tree
ID: 5310241016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:38
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sorry YB, i realize now i used several words that were polysyllabic. i realize that's difficult for you.
ignore my post, and go play some hoops.
Tree finally, a week where the Cowboys don't lose!
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| 68 | Micheal
ID: 12744225 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:39
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Like I said before, I knew what I was getting into and now I'm out. He talks about being fair but he drops Fischer, Anderson and Mason and picks up Terry , Walker and Jamison 15 minutes after I dropped my players and before anyone else can pick them up.
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| 69 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:41
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YOU SHOULDENT HAVE DROPPED THEM DUMBASS!!!
you should have jsut kept your team the way it was instead of pouting like a little girl!
do you really think Iam going to win this league with jay williams on my team now?
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| 70 | beebop
ID: 221038915 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:43
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Jay Williams isnt exactly a bad player....I would rather have him than Derek Fisher or Tony Parker.
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| 71 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:44
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he is acting like iam gonna dominate the league now just cause I have jay williams. what a baby.
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| 72 | Micheal
ID: 12744225 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:47
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You didn't wast any time picking them up, did you?
You really don't get it, do you? No, I don't think you'll win with JWill. It's your attitude and selfishness that I don't want to deal with any more. As commish, you're supposed to think about the league, but you don't. You only think about yourself and it was never more evident than you denying that fair trade and scooping up Williams 30 seconds after you put it through.
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| 73 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:48
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so what should I have done michael? let someone else pick up williams?
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| 74 | Micheal
ID: 12744225 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:55
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That's it right there! That's the attitude. Nobody even had a chance to pick him up because you added him to your roster 1 minute after you put the trade through. How long would he have stayed on the waiver wire, if there was one? Not long. Read KKBs post again and again until it dawns on you that it's not fair to the league for you to basically have first choice every time.
Really all I have to say is "TOUGH, SUCK IT UP".
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| 75 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 17:58
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but why did you have to be a little punk and dropp all your players? huh?
there were still other people who wanted to play still. just cause your throwing a hissy fit doesn't mean we cant still play. you little baby!
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| 76 | Micheal
ID: 12744225 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:02
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Tough, suck it up.
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| 77 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:03
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michael your truly a little girl!
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| 78 | Farn Donor
ID: 7822711 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:03
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YB- Tough, suck it up.
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| 79 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:04
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why didnt you drop jason kidd? I want him too!
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| 80 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:05
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farn,
no one is talking to you!
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| 81 | chode
ID: 1810431921 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:06
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YB, you shouldn't care that Michael dropped his players, ones you apparently wasted no time picking up. You seem poised to win a league whose rules you clearly set up to favor yourself as commish.
Michael, you should stop 'feeding the troll', because I think most everyone here agrees with your course of action by pissing in YB's face. Nice work-- now you can only hope other managers follow your lead, and forget all about this league and YB.
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| 82 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:07
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chode,
shut-up.
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| 83 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 3711402623 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:09
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Youngbuck I have no idea why I'm bothering, but as commish you should be approaching every situation with a question of whether it is fair for everyone in the division. The person who takes on that role is supposed to understand that he is supposed to put league fairness ahead of personal gain. It is wrong for the commissioner to use his responsibilities for the benefit of his team.
Since there is a new wealth of talent in the FA pool that will give a distinct advantage to the first person that finds it, you should consider what is most fair for everyone involved in the league. I'm sure that if some other person was the first to realize that Micheal dropped all his players and went ahead and helped himself to whatever he felt like you would not be happy about it. If you wanted to attempt to salvage the league (and your own reputation as a commish), perhaps you could have made an effort to contact all the other teams and propose a draft of the new talent. But rather than looking at the situation objectively and fairly, keeping the integrity (do yourself a favor and look that up) of the league as your priority, you chose to take advantage of it for your own benefit. You have no right to complain about people not taking you seriously.
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| 84 | Farn Donor
ID: 7822711 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:10
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sorry YB, I just love to read your posts. I feel like I gain so much more knowledge reading your thoughts.
Why would you have a league where there is no waiver time? Did you have all this in mind from the start? If I was you I would make a waiver time or risk losing all your managers.
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| 85 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:12
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I did not plan this! I just hate waiting for waivers, that all!
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| 86 | AHSbball05
ID: 34992216 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:12
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lmao, this cant be fun for you guys i think you should just quit yelling at each other and....suck it up :)
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| 87 | Farn Donor
ID: 7822711 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:16
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hate waiting? Is Youngbuck a busy man? All kinds of things going on in 3rd grade this year?
Just make a waiver time. Either that or risk having your league wiped out.
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| 88 | beebop
ID: 221038915 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:16
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Chode...love the name....anyone else here knows what it means???
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| 90 | w33ds
ID: 2010389 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:17
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Why did you veto another trade. Kidd and D Mason for Pierce and Atkins is not an unfair trade. I need a PG and Michael needed a forward.
WHATEVER!!! This league is garbage!
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| 92 | beebop
ID: 221038915 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:19
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YB...love the way you deleted post 89.
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| 93 | Farn Donor
ID: 7822711 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:19
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beebop- i missed it; can you summarize it?
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| 94 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:20
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what are you talking about beebop?
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| 95 | SillySpheres
ID: 58512252 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:20
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Beebop:
yep, I know what it means. I dont know if it would be best to post the definition when we have 3rd graders posting here...
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| 96 | beebop
ID: 221038915 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:20
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haha, yea, i guess not sillyspheres. YB, i saw your post 89 of what you thought chode meant.
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| 97 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:21
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and.....
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| 98 | beebop
ID: 221038915 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:23
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the only point i had was no it is gone....plus, you were wrong....
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| 99 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:25
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W33ds,
I vetoed that trade because it involved michael and he is no longer in the league.
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| 100 | YOUNGBUCK SUCKS
ID: 3510271017 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:27
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YOUNGBUCK you suck. so suck on it
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| 101 | YOUNGBUCK REALLY
ID: 1410291017 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:29
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BLOWS
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| 102 | slammin
ID: 3810301017 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:30
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can we now officially refer to him as YOUNG-SCHMUCK. thank you
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| 103 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:31
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and who the hell are you? "slammin" must be a newbie.
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| 104 | Micheal
ID: 12744225 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:40
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#90 is why I didn't drop Kidd. Because I traded him to another manager. So YB picks up all my players off the FA list and denies the trade of Kidd to another manager because I am no longer in the league. HUH?
Does anyone else find this ironic? If there was a waiver wire my actions would not affect the league because waiver priority would have taken care of the situation, but because there is not one I have ruined the league since anyone can now pick up my players whenever they feel like it.
And for the record, I would NEVER (under normal circumstances) trade Jason Kidd and Desmond Mason for Paul Pierce and Chucky Atkins.
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| 105 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:42
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yeah you would! stop lying!
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| 106 | Tree
ID: 5310241016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 18:47
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say, how does one start one of these yahoo leagues? i'm in....as long as YB doesn't make the rules...
seriously YB - and i'm gonna actually do a rare thing and offer a few points of *constructive* criticism.
1. go back and read post 83, from MITH. It sums up a lot of what the whole point here - if you're gonna run a league, you've got to be beyond reproach, and really try not to make any moves that might even make someone remotely question your intergrity.
2. realize that the way you respond to people makes them "gang up" on you. i've been doing the message board/BBS thing for nearly 20 years now. From when i was young teenager all the way up to the present, and i've seen more than my fair share of flame wars.
everyone loves a good flame war. and if someone presents themselves as the village idiot, you can bet the farm that everyone is gonna gang up and mock them. And you've fit the role perfectly of the village idiot.
3. start all over. apologize. admit you've acted like a complete and utter jerk in almost every single dealing you've had here at Rotoguru.com. you'd be surprised how over time, people might actually start to offer you insightful fantasy advice, and may actually enjoy your presence here in a way other than as the class jackass.
4. understand that it won't happen overnight.
peace, and good luck, Tree
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| 107 | blade
ID: 5710151017 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 19:03
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with all respect to Gary Puckett and the Union Gap's "Young Girl"
YOUNGBUCK you're out of your mind your dirty tricks are way out of line you need muchhhhh luck...if you deal with YOUNGBUCK
you have the charm of a loser..woah woah woah woah... your mama says it's supper time..woah woah woah woah but you yell mom i'm not gonna eat..i'd rather cheat..and screw the guys as best i can
woahh ohhh ohhh YOUNGBUCK you've done a great job you're league mates now are one angry mob you need much luck if you deal with YOUNGBUCK.
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| 108 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 19:06
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the only person that is mad in the league is Michael.
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| 109 | Tree
ID: 5310241016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 19:10
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YB - please see post #90. he also appears to be in your league, and he seems upset as well.
why are we bothering? YB - you've got a lot to learn - there have been some good suggestions here, and those are the ones you've chosen to ignore.
happy b-m, Tree
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| 110 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 19:13
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does that trade seem fair to ou tree!!!
refer to last paragraph in post #104.
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| 111 | JT
ID: 410151018 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 19:15
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lmao blade
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| 112 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 181031016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 19:16
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blade is a loser.
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| 113 | Micheal
ID: 12744225 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 19:27
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YB, why can't he have Kidd? You got Jamison, Walker and Terry. Can't someone else have a good player or do you have to have them all?
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| 114 | Tree
ID: 5310241016 Sun, Nov 10, 2002, 19:58
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YB - stop for a minute, and look at the bigger picture.
to answer your question, NO, that trade isn't fair.
no go back and look at the bigger picture.
peace, Tree
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| 115 | Smackdown
ID: 51054300 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 00:33
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The trade is fair, but stupid! I would not trade KG unless the trade involved another stud of the same caliber. You can only start so many players right? Maximize each position, so how can you improve at KG's spot?
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| 116 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 01:05
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EXACTLEY!
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| 117 | rage_22 Donor
ID: 4582621 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 01:41
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exactley!
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| 118 | AHSbball05
ID: 501031521 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 02:01
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"The trade is fair"
he said its fair damnit! :)
So what do u mean exactly???(assuming you meant that and not exacta, eclat, or exactor like one of the other possibilities from that link)
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| 119 | YOUNGBUCK BLOWS
ID: 281015111 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 02:15
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YOUNGBUCK your spelling is ATROCIOUS. you make 5th graders look like geniuses
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| 120 | Twarpy Leader
ID: 17103822 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 03:56
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He makes grEEr's spelling look good.
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| 121 | Raider Guy
ID: 161055111 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 05:31
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Actually, he makes Ralph Wiggum look like a Harvard graduate.
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| 122 | Tree
ID: 5310241016 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 06:36
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I bent my wookie.
Tree It tastes like...burning...
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| 123 | Y2JS
ID: 51103267 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 08:22
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LOL @ 120
Every once in awhile one of these threads pops up and YB takes charge making himself look worse and worse. Why don't you calm down buddy, do like this Chris Eibling and change your handle on these boards with one of your 4249053938463 computers (Remember when we went through that whole ordeal?). Even the newbies trash you the minute they register here. If you decide against the name change, it's all good, these type of threads are "Instant Rotoguru Classics"
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| 124 | Bob Marley
ID: 57883010 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 08:27
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YOUNGBUCK im done with the league, and im dropping ym player so I hope you win you p.o.s.
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| 125 | Micheal
ID: 11935222 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 09:08
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Why'd you keep Dirk and Finley? The Mariners are gonna have to find a new batboy cause YB's gonna have a stroke.
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| 126 | AdamH
ID: 249512410 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 09:16
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Younbuck, thanks for this thread...it has given me much enjoyment this Monday morning.
It's really no loss that your league fell apart, it looks as though it was a total waste to begin with. If people really need to explain the benefit of having a waiver time to you, then there simply is no hope.
Maybe, just maybe you'll learn something from this...but I doubt it.
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| 127 | Hamid Toliyat
ID: 509533010 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 09:17
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Dirk and Finley were on my team. I dropped everybody but the mavericks, then I picked up all mavericks from the FA pool. I actually ended up with their entire roster sans Nash and Bradley. Good times, youngshmuck, good times.
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| 128 | ksoze Sustainer
ID: 50643419 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 09:43
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Fortunately school is out today so we should be treated to another full day of ignorant quips and come backs by Youngpunk. AdamH, don't hold your breath, he won't learn a thing until he progresses past the "me, me, me" stage of maturity.
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| 129 | AdamH
ID: 249512410 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 09:53
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ksoze...I don't see that happening anytime soon.
I don't often post, but I play fantasy sports all the time and peruse the boards quite frequently...from everything I've seen of Youngbuck, I can't see him changing his ways. He probably will never learn.
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| 130 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 10:21
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This thread demonstrates that there is really no need for others to trash YOUNGBUCK. He very competently handles that duty all on his own.
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| 131 | AdamH
ID: 249512410 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 10:30
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Guru...those are my favorite kinds of people...you can just sit back and watch the fireworks go as they do themselves in.
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| 132 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 10:53
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... and don't even realize it.
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| 133 | roy2013 Sustainer
ID: 32948269 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 11:26
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Classic!!!
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| 134 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 89321319 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 11:55
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We all know about Youngbuck's day job. Here's his night job:
[Normally I wouldn't re-use a joke--this is from the hockey boards--but this thread and this pic are both too damn funny].
:)
pd
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| 135 | AdamH
ID: 249512410 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 12:52
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OMFG! That is hilarious.
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| 136 | Mike D Donor
ID: 4372378 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 12:53
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Pimpin' ain't easy! LMAO!
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| 137 | roy2013 Sustainer
ID: 582201212 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 13:21
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Even MORE classic NOW~!~
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| 138 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 14:24
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this is great!
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| 139 | Ref Donor
ID: 28045169 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 14:42
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B-tch betta have my money!
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| 140 | Y2JS
ID: 51103267 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 15:08
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LMAO, wow!
That hat, lol, so that's where he hid the basketball
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| 141 | AdamH
ID: 249512410 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 15:34
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"B-tch betta have my money!"
LMAO, ref
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| 142 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 20:13
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cool picture Sperm Dude
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| 143 | Micheal
ID: 12744225 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 23:22
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HAHA. It took YB 8 hours to come up with (S)perm Dude.
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| 144 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 331381323 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 23:42
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what are you talking about?
I just seen the pic when I logged on smart one!
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| 145 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 87192619 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 23:47
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You mean you didn't see it when you posted #138, two-and-a-half hours after it was first posted???
Actually, I shouldn't be so hard--when I was a kid I couldn't lie very convincingly either.
:0
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| 146 | Micheal
ID: 2910501122 Mon, Nov 11, 2002, 23:50
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I could, but after awhile my parents assumed that everything was a lie so they punished me anyway.
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| 147 | AdamH
ID: 249512410 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 10:13
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Great comeback YB! Who helped you with that one?
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| 148 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 2010361210 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 11:39
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As usual I would come back with a barrage of cuss words, but do to the warning I recieved from "guru" if I do I will be banned from the boards.
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| 149 | Farn Donor
ID: 7822711 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 11:41
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"As usual I would come back with a barrage of cuss words"
That's the problem YB, you come back with cuss words. Why not try to have an intelligent conversation? Why not try to add something positive to the forum? The problem is you just swear at people and provide no intelligent thought. Try doing that and others are more likely to take you seriously.
(Hot dog or pizza today?)
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| 150 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 2010361210 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 12:07
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its like a million against one!
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| 151 | Farn Donor
ID: 7822711 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 12:10
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Trust me YB, everyone here is mature. If you start acting like an adult everyone will treat you accordingly. I've seen it happen before and it would undoubtedly happen again. Try it. It can't hurt.
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| 152 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 12:14
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When it's "like a million against one," you might consider the possibility that the million have a valid point.
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| 153 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 2010361210 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 12:17
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I tried. you guys continually bash me.
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| 154 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 2010361210 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 12:19
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ever since the warning you gave me guru, I have changed but you guys didnt see that, and I cant do more than that.
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| 155 | Whitey Sustainer
ID: 47130129 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 12:19
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Once you get the reputation, it takes some time to live it down. If you clean up your act, you will still have to deal with a little bit of bashing for the short-term until you win everyone over.
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| 156 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 2010361210 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 12:20
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I could care less right about now.....
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| 157 | Micheal
ID: 12744225 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 12:28
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Apparently you do because it sounds like you're about to cry.
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| 158 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 12:29
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You may have missed the point of this thread, YB, but people are generally bashing you not because of your forum behavior, but because of your commissioner behavior. Of course, your prior forum behavior gave plenty of warning signals, and many of those who opted to join your league are now wondering why they didn't heed those signals.
As long as you observe the forum standards, I'll allow you to continue to post. But when you pull self-serving stunts like the commissioner episodes mentioned above, criticism of your actions and reactions are certainly to be expected, regardless of whether you're cussing or not.
You may believe that you've done nothing wrong. But rather than dismissing all criticism as people simply ganging up on you due to past indiscretions, you might consider that some of the feedback is warranted solely due to current behavior.
Just a thought...
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| 159 | Tree
ID: 599393013 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 12:50
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Guru,
with all due respect to your above post, you've made a glaring error. by signing off with "Just a Thought," you've implied that the person you're directing your comments toward has the ability to "think"...
that, based on experience here, is a broadbroadBROAD leap of faith..
Tree Jack Lord's-a-Leapin'
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| 160 | AdamH
ID: 249512410 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 12:51
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When did you make this change to your behavior? Most of this thread was from yesterday and you acted like you usually do.
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| 161 | YOUNGBUCK
ID: 2010361210 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 12:52
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what does that make you "guru" when you join in the festivities?
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| 162 | Myboyjack Leader
ID: 108231015 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 12:58
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I would think it would be enlightening to you, YB, that it was the unanimous opinion of this board that the veto you made was not warranted or fair -BEFORE anyone knew that it was you who made it. Nobody's picking on you (I doubt that anyone knows you personally, so how could they be) - they're picking on the boneheaded things you do (on a remarkably consistent basis.)
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| 163 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 12:59
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Evidently, it makes me "gullible" for assuming it will do any good.
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| 164 | Hamid Toliyat
ID: 509533010 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 13:06
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For anyone who is unenlightened, it all began with a simple stolen basketball...
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| 165 | James K Polk
ID: 23754811 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 15:07
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Story appropriate to this thread? MLB wants bat boys to be at least "double digits" in age. Write your own punch line, please.
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| 166 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 89321319 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 15:09
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Hey, I've got more digits than that! Er, wait. Nevermind.
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| 168 | KnicksFan Donor
ID: 3974252 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 15:20
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Major League Baseball announced this week that it wants it's bat boys to be at least 10 years old. The reason for this measure is not to keep kids safe from errant foul balls, but rather to prevent Sammy Sosa from eating small children.
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| 169 | Farn @lab
ID: 9827515 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 15:38
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you sure its not to prevent players from having equipment stolen?
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| 170 | KnicksFan Donor
ID: 3974252 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 15:47
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Here's another one:
Major League Baseball announced this week that next season all bat boys will have to meet a minimum age requirement. In a related story, the Dodgers bought out the contract of backup catcher Chad Kreuter, who served primarily as a bat boy.
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| 171 | MNG@college
ID: 117422015 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 15:49
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2002 thread of the year
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| 172 | Micheal
ID: 12744225 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 15:50
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KnicksFan is on today.
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| 173 | Micheal
ID: 12744225 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 15:55
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It would have to Fiscal Year. I think YBs "stolen basketball" thread was in JAN and it would be really hard to beat that one.
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| 174 | beebop
ID: 221038915 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 16:10
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Ok....we can settle for "Thread of 2002-03 Season"
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| 175 | MNG@college
ID: 117422015 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 18:58
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Agreed!
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| 176 | Rand al'Thor
ID: 83231216 Tue, Nov 12, 2002, 19:58
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Actually, Hamid, not that it really matters, but I think the YOUNGBUCK saga really began with an earlier thread where he proudly recounted his confrontation with Gary Payton. I don't think the stolen basketball story would have met with as much wrath if not for the precedence set by his dissing of Payton.
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| 177 | AdamH
ID: 249512410 Wed, Nov 13, 2002, 08:14
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LOL @ this thread...
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