| Posted by: Madman
- [21355147] Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 11:39
Looks like it's about 3 weeks away.
I saw the Wood Memorial and Tappit was impressive coming from behind. That's the style you need at Churchill.
Eddington was also right there but I don't think he's even gonna be in the Derby.
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| 2 | Madman
ID: 21355147 Wed, Apr 14, 2004, 11:53
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Wow watch "SMARTY JONES" win that Arkansas Derby. That horse is undefeated. Looks like he'll be the favorite in the Derby.
62,000 people were at Oaklawn Park for the Arkansas Derby.
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| 3 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 60151121 Tue, Apr 27, 2004, 13:10
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Listed below are the leading contenders for the 130th Kentucky Derby ranked by earnings in graded stakes races, the tiebreaker Listed below are the leading contenders for the 130th Kentucky Derby ranked by earnings in graded stakes races, the tiebreaker if the field exceeds the maximum 20 horses. Earnings current as of Saturday, April 17. | NO. | HORSE | EARNINGS | NO. | HORSE | EARNINGS | NO. | HORSE | EARNINGS | 1.) | The Cliff's Edge | $793,258 | 9.) | Read the Footnotes | $397,860 | 17.) | Value Plus* | $252,500 | 2.) | Action This Day | $780,000 | 10.) | Wimbledon | $375,000 | 18.) | St Averil | $215,200 | 3.) | Friends Lake | $611,000 | 11.) | Pollard's Vision | $366,000 | 19.) | Master David | $208,000 | 4.) | Smarty Jones | $600,000 | 12.) | Imperialism | $363,000 | 20.) | Song of the Sword | $132,500 | 5.) | Tapit | $530,000 | 13.) | Minister Eric | $350,000 | 21.) | Pro Prado | $105,685 | 6.) | Castledale | $510,000 | 14.) | Birdstone | $327,000 | 22.) | Eddington | $95,000 | 7.) | Limehouse | $478,405 | 15.) | Borrego | $320,000 | 23.) | Rock Hard Ten | $90,000 | 8.) | Lion Heart | $475,600 | 16.) | Quintons Gold Rush | $258,500 | | | | * Unlikely to start. | I think I like Imperialism, but not sure yet. We'll be out camping, but will be close enough to the OTB at Pomona if I decide to do something. Cliff
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| 4 | StLCards Leader
ID: 31010716 Tue, Apr 27, 2004, 13:15
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Come on GL, we all know you like "The Cliff's Edge" ;-)
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| 5 | bookie
ID: 1337127 Tue, Apr 27, 2004, 13:19
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Haven't even looked at the field yet, but the Derby is always such a crapshoot... Too many horses to contend with in traffic... I wish they'd limit the field to 12 maybe 14.... But everyone wants the chance to run for the roses, so that will never happen....
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| 6 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 60151121 Tue, Apr 27, 2004, 14:09
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It is a very different race to handicap. You have to handicap toward the horses that will get out in front and have endurance, or toward those that have shown the ability to stay out of trouble and still stay close enough to make a good final run.
This is also a case of where the jockey is very important.
Cliff
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| 7 | bookie
ID: 1337127 Tue, Apr 27, 2004, 15:48
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I completely agree with all of that Cliff.... As much horse racing as I've seen and bet on though, I still can't get consistent results with the Derby.... Generally though, stakes races and even higher level allowance races, I win more bets than I lose... It's those dang claiming races that take my money.....
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| 8 | blue hen
ID: 353412123 Wed, Apr 28, 2004, 01:45
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Smarty Jones is great. Won me some in Ark.
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| 9 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 60151121 Wed, Apr 28, 2004, 16:25
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Here's the field.
Official odds and post positions were to be determined later Wednesday. The field, in order of post-position selection, is: Minister Eric, Master David, Friends Lake, Imperialism, St Averil, Action This Day, Wimbledon, The Cliff's Edge, Pollard's Vision, Borrego, Smarty Jones, Read the Footnotes, Birdstone, Lion Heart, Castledale, Tapit, Pro Prado, Song of the Sword, Limehouse and Quintons Gold Rush.
Cliff
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| 10 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 60151121 Wed, Apr 28, 2004, 16:28
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It took me years to learn to stay away from cheap claiming and Maiden races.
Agree 100% with what you are saying Bookie.
I tend to stay away from Derby day, just due to the fact that I tend to lose money then.
Waiting on the Post positions and odds to see if anything makes sense.
Cliff
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| 11 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 60151121 Wed, Apr 28, 2004, 18:31
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3yo - 1 1/4 miles - Dirt - Grade I - $1,214,800 (if all 20 start) 3yo - 1 1/4 miles - Dirt - Grade I - $1,214,800 (if all 20 start)
PP Horse Jockey Trainer Odds
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1 Limehouse Jose Santos Todd Pletcher 30-1
2 Song of the Sword Norberto Arroyo, Jr. Jennifer Pedersen 30-1
3 Lion Heart Mike Smith Patrick Biancone 10-1
4 Action This Day David Flores Richard Mandella 30-1
5 Wimbledon Jerry Bailey Bob Baffert 15-1
6 Friends Lake Richard Migliore John Kimmel 15-1
7 Minister Eric Pat Day Richard Mandella 30-1
8 Master David Alex Solis Bobby Frankel 12-1
9 St. Averil Tyler Baze Rafael Becerra 30-1
10 Imperialism Kent Desormeaux Kristin Mulhall 15-1
11 The Cliff's Edge Shane Sellers Nick Zito 4-1
12 Borrego Victor Espinzoza Beau Greely 20-1
13 Birdstone Edgar Prado Nick Zito 50-1
14 Read The Footnotes Robby Albarado Richard Violette 12-1
15 Smarty Jones Stewart Elliot John Servis 9-2
16 Castledale (IRE) Jose Valdivia Jeff Mullins 15-1
17 Pollard's Vision John Velazquez Tood Pletcher 20-1
18 Tapit Ramon A. Dominguez Michael W. Dickinson 8-1
19 Pro Prado John McKee Robert Holthus 30-1
20 Quintons Gold Rush Corey Nakatani Steve Asmussen 20-1
10th race of 12 - 130th running
Site: Churchill Downs - Louisville, Kentucky
Post Time: 6:04 p.m. EDT (Live on NBC)
2003 winner: Funny Cide
Stakes Record - Secretariat 1:59 2/5 (1973)
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| 12 | Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Wed, Apr 28, 2004, 19:22
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I like Wimbledon, Imperialism, and Cliff's Edge.
The speed of Lion Heart intrigues me at the 3 spot and I think his early speed could force other horses to run faster than they would prefer to. We could see a blazing half mile with Lion Heart in the front.
I will probably avoid any real big wagers on this race because with 20 horses you never know what might happen out of the gate.
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| 13 | Madman
ID: 503552218 Wed, Apr 28, 2004, 21:47
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Nick Zito is the trainer of the favorite "Cliffs Edge". That's pretty interesting.
Luv Nick Zito and I bet he has never had the favorite in the derby.
There was a good show on HBO about jockeys and their struggles with weight and Shane Sellers was the focus of it. He's the jockey on "Cliffs Edge"
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| 14 | GoatLocker Sustainer
ID: 60151121 Wed, Apr 28, 2004, 23:19
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Shane Sellers is a great jockey.
Really like Desormeaux up on Imperialism.
Also like the Alex Solis / Bobby Frankel combination on Master David.
Cliff
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| 15 | Madman
ID: 503552218 Fri, Apr 30, 2004, 09:29
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I think I'm gonna bet on this horse called "Friends Lake".
He won the Florida Derby and hasn't raced since. Guess who he beat in the Florida Derby? He beat Cliffs Edge and Tapit who are two of the favorites.
Trainer says he runs good on layoffs Sire was AP Indy who's father was Seattle Slew. His Beyer figures are a little lower than the other horses but he could improve on that. Cliffs Edge and Tapit both won Stakes races after the Florida Derby and they ran big Beyer Figures.
And Friends Lake has the come from behind style that wins at the Derby. He should be big odds tommorrow.
Don't leave him out of your gimmick bets.
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| 16 | Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Fri, Apr 30, 2004, 09:37
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Wimbledon is out with swelling in his left leg. Field is down to 19.
Wimbledon Out
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| 17 | Madman
ID: 503552218 Fri, Apr 30, 2004, 09:41
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Jerry Bailey out of the Derby? Wow, I bet some jockey is gonna lose their Derby ride when an owner dumps him and puts Bailey on his horse.
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| 18 | Madman
ID: 503552218 Fri, Apr 30, 2004, 09:44
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This Ramon Dominquez guy who is riding Tapit might be in danger of losing his ride to Bailey.
Bailey is the best jockey in America. Somebody is gonna pick him up.
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| 19 | Farn Sustainer
ID: 451044109 Fri, Apr 30, 2004, 13:50
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St. Averil out too. Use the link above.
Posts have changed a bit.
The first two posts will be empty, so the following horses will move out one spot: Limehouse, Song of the Sword, Lion Heart, Action This Day, Friends Lake, Minister Eric and Master David. Horses in posts 10 through 20 were unaffected.
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| 20 | Madman
ID: 2143628 Sun, May 02, 2004, 10:39
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"Smarty Jones" was the only horse in the field on "first time Lasix".
If you watch the tape of that race, that horse ran out of his mind. Got bumped around pretty good on the first turn but just kept going.
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| 21 | bookie
ID: 1337127 Mon, May 03, 2004, 10:27
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Once the rains came... I felt the Exacta was a lock... Speed kills in the slop, so with Lionheart's early speed and Smarty's just off the pace stalking style were perfect for that, I just wasn't sure if Smarty could go the distance....... The real closers had their work cut out for them.. All in all it was a great race and fantastic ride by Stu Elliot...
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