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| Posted by: TaRhEElKiD
- [0134510] Sun, Feb 20, 2005, 20:42
Thought I would open this up since I am really excited for March Madness this year! I have 10th row Final Four seats in StL as well. Hoping to see my HeeLs cut the nets down.
My top 8 teams:
1: Illinois - cupcake finish
2: North Carolina - most talented in my biased opinion
3: Wake Forest
4: KU
5: Kentucky-quitely a top team this yr
6: BC-have to give them some respect I guess
7: Duke-Coach K is a miracle worker
8: Arizona-think OSU is OVER-RATED
Semi Sleepers:
1: Utah-Bogut could lead them deep
2: GT-they get healthy and they are the same national semi-finalist team as last yr
3: UConn-haven't got too much respect with the lack of G play, but those big men could lead them
Over-rated:
1: OSU
2: Washington
3: Oklahoma
Thoughts? Final Four picks? National Champion pick? Just want to get some college basketball talk going...
GO HEELS!!!
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| | | 1 | Piccolos
Donor
ID: 24933916
Sun, Feb 20, 2005, 21:14
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I was just about to start this THK after watching some of the games today.
My Top 8 Teams:
1. Illinois - I think they just might have a date with destiny. True definition of a TEAM.
2. UNC - definately the most talent in the country. I can see at least 5 guys from that team being on NBA rosters in the next few years.
3. Kansas - Simien is a big game player and Langford isnt scared to take and MAKE the big shot.
4. BC - That Craig Smith/Jared Dudley combo is a brutal matchup for everyone. Might have the best X's and O's coach in Al Skinner too.
5. Duke - They can beat anyone, any night if the 3's are on. And if Shelden Williams plays like he has been recently and the big guys stay outta foul trouble, they could be #3.
6. Wake - I just don't like them as much as everyone else. I can see them being upset early in the tourney.
7. Oklahoma State - I know THK doesn't agree but I love their toughness. Joey Graham is a monster.
8. Gonzaga - so many weapons, and they're actually getting good competition this year from the WCC.
Top 5 Overrated:
1. Kentucky - Who is gonna take the big shot for this team? Chuck Hayes? cmon now
2. Arizona - No toughness
3. Washington - I love Nate Robinson but I don't like the rest of the team.
4. Syracuse - Gerry Mac doesn't seem to have as much drive this year. Very lazy defense.
5. Oklahome - Taj Gray and Kevin Bookout don't scare anybody.
Top 5 Sleepers:
1. Georgia Tech - They might come into the tournament as an 8 or 9 seed with a healthy BJ Elder which is downright scary for the 1 seed in that bracket.
2. Utah - Bogut is one of the top 5 players in college ball right now.
3. Pacific - They can play with anybody.
4. Notre Dame - If Chris Thomas stops taking stupid shots and finds Lattimore and Francis inside, they're scary.
5. Villanova - Injury ravaged squad that might just round into form come tourney time.
My Final 4 Picks :
Illinois, UNC, Kansas, Georgia Tech
with Illinois beating GTech in the final.
Breakout Stars of the Tourney :
Deron Williams, Illinois
Andrew Bogut, Utah
Curtis Sumpter, Villanova
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| | | 2 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Fri, Feb 25, 2005, 23:59
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KU is looking awful. No clue how they lost that game to OU...couldn't do anything in the half court. I think they will rebound and beat OSU at Phog this weekend. Music to my ears: No Big 12 team will receive a #1 seed! ;-)
I am going to Cancun again this yr...I hope I get some time to fill out a Guru March Madness form...
THK
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| | | 3 | Seattle Zen
ID: 178161719
Sat, Mar 05, 2005, 00:59
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Anyone who says Washington is overrated simply hasn't watched the team play. They score a TON of points and get them from a vicious controlled frenzy. Disciplined enough to tear you apart in a half-court game if need be, they are eight players deep. Nate is not doing half as well as he was last year, this team is a Team.
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| | | 4 | James K Polk
ID: 16635922
Sat, Mar 05, 2005, 02:38
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Yeah, except the Huskies can't even beat a dinky little school from the cultural wasteland of Eastern Washington ...
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| | | 5 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 06, 2005, 16:06
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The Madness has begun a little early...
OSU loses at home to Texas
Illinois loses to Ohio State
Kentucky loses to Florida
KU is down to Mizzou
Geezzz...hope the tournament goes this way!
THK
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| | | 6 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 06, 2005, 22:21
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Wow. NCST's NCAA tourney hopes were probably just crushed by Chris Paul in 4.2 seconds! What a great day of basketball! We can only hope this continues starting March 17th.
THK
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| | | 7 | smallwhirled
ID: 40221320
Sun, Mar 06, 2005, 22:31
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UConn is on a huge roll right now, I think they might have the goods again....
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| | | 8 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 06, 2005, 23:31
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I agree...M. Williams has stepped up big time. They could make a serious run.
I think Utah is going to be more dangerous than they are given credit for as well.
THK
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| | | 9 | smallwhirled
ID: 40221320
Sun, Mar 06, 2005, 23:39
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Yeah, I think many of us have the same ideas for sleeper types and stuff like that.
I agree with GT and have always liked them, on the right day, they can beat anyone. UCLA might be able to do some damage as well if they get the right draw.
'Cuse is a two man team, no disrespect, if you can shut down their main two, they are just not that good IMHO.
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| | | 10 | nate686
ID: 452451114
Fri, Mar 11, 2005, 15:45
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I really believe BC is going to possibly drop to a 3, even 4 seed with the way they've been playing lately. They are a very problematic team to pick, in a way, I'd like to believe they'll play how they did early on in the tourney, but I think they're bowing out before the Sweet 16. The Illini and the Heels will dance in the Championship game, you heard it here first.
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| | | 11 | Jeddi
ID: 4830213
Sun, Mar 13, 2005, 11:44
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I think UNC may be in a little trouble. Roy Williams has always underachieved in the tournament and now they lost in the ACC tourney. Not saying they lose round two or anything but I'd be surprised to see them in the final, too inconsistent
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| | | 12 | esposo
ID: 332391320
Sun, Mar 13, 2005, 21:39
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my best picks from below:
4th seed Louisville ? - come on they could have been a #1 or for sure a #2
5th seed Georgia Tech - too bad they are inthe same bracket as Louisville - Coach Hewitt is one of the best and now his teamis healthy
any team from Conference USA plus the #7 (two confereence USA teams)
the worst seed has to be the #2s - Kentucky? UConn? take the #15s especially Eastern Kentucky and Zach Ingalls for fun (I took his dad's spot as head coach)
the #3 aren't far behind - Kansas? Gonzaga (not as good this year), ne1 from the PAC10
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| | | 13 | esposo
ID: 332391320
Sun, Mar 13, 2005, 21:49
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Piccolos
Notre Dame ? are you predicting the NIT?
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| | | 14 | culdeus
ID: 119141810
Sun, Mar 13, 2005, 22:53
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Well, all I know for sure is I'm shorting the ACC. That conference was soft this year and NC is set up to be the first #1 out and their draws on through are tough as a group.
Other than that I haven't really got a feel for it. I guess LSU is the sexy sleeper pick this year.
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| | | 15 | MadDOG
ID: 56012617
Sun, Mar 13, 2005, 23:15
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How the heck does Washington get a #1 seed? Have they even been on national tv this year. I can't remember even 1 of their games being televised nationally.
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| | | 16 | Motley Crue
Leader
ID: 439372011
Mon, Mar 14, 2005, 11:08
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Gators are going far. At least until they play UNC.
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| | | 17 | kev
ID: 3155515
Mon, Mar 14, 2005, 14:46
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Maddog- welcome to life if you don't live on the West Coast. Washington is a very good team, with deep guard play. I do however, question them being a #1 seed. They did have one of the best RPI's in the nation.
I also agree Louisville could have been a number 2.
Washington to get out of their bracket is going to need a miracle...Wake, Louisville, Georgia Tech, and Gonzaga...not to mention their 8/9 game should be difficult too.
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| | | 18 | sledge
ID: 424342914
Mon, Mar 14, 2005, 19:02
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I think most of the number 1's will fall.
I see an early UNC exit. Possibly by Iowa State in round 2. Kansas will come out of the Syracuse bracket.
Oklahoma State over Illinois in the Chicago regional.
Toss up in Albuquerque with the winner of Louisville/Georgia Tech game knocking off Washington and taking on Wake Forest and it could be any of the three making the March to the Arch. I say Wake Forest.
In Austin - Duke hangs on against both Syracuse and Kentucky to advance.
Kansas pounds Duke and Oklahoma State rolls vs. Wake Forest leading to an All Big 12 final.
The JAYHAWKS become national champs and in the process avoid the big matchups with former coach Roy Williams and UNC and also Bill Self's former fighting Illini team. CBS's hopes for those big stories are nixed.
The fact that I just returned from the Big 12 Tourney in KC could have had a little affect on my picks.
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| | | 19 | ryan
ID: 472331315
Mon, Mar 14, 2005, 23:38
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i just got back from the big ten tourny, and all i have to say is they are WEAK! i am a huge illinois fan, but i was not impressed with them. they did not look like the number 1 team in the nation, but then again....who is? i will say that i have mich st., iowa, minn, and wisconsin all losing first round.
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| | | 20 | kev
ID: 3155515
Tue, Mar 15, 2005, 14:33
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I have a feeling Washington will be one of the biggest shorts. The region is so tough, including their 2nd round game vs Pacific or Pitt, 2 teams that could give them trouble.
Utah is my sleeper team. Had they won their last game, they probably were a 3 or 4, but since they lost, they slipped to a 6? Seems like a big slip.
Wake could have trouble getting past the Zags if they meet in the 2nd round. Zags are big up front, and have good defenders all around.
This tourney should be one of the better ones, I see a lot of great 2nd round games, and a lot of teams ranked 4-6 that could make the final 4.
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| | | 21 | angryCHAIR
Donor
ID: 98192416
Tue, Mar 15, 2005, 14:56
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Syracuse looks tempting to me..... An experienced,
talented team
that is on a roll. I also like Louisville, , Illini, WF, GTech,
and OSU.
WA will fall early...I see AZ going further for the Pac-10.
the game that has me baffled is the UTEP v. Utah
game. Where to go there?
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| | | 22 | Jazz Dreamers
ID: 142391523
Wed, Mar 16, 2005, 01:11
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I like Washington, but I don't like their chances in this bracket. You could easily argue that Wake and Gonzaga should be 1 and 4 seeds, and Washington and Louisville 2 and 3 seeds. That region looks very wide open.
My elite eight is:
Illinois over Oklahoma State
Wake Forest over Louisville
Syracuse over Utah
North Carolina over UConn
(I'm tempted to go with Louisville and UConn, though.)
Final will be Illinois beating UNC.
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| | | 23 | Gmoney
Donor
ID: 5810561615
Wed, Mar 16, 2005, 18:32
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I ran some numbers and statistically speaking here are the potential upsets or at least close games according to the numbers:
The 8 seeds: Stanford and Pacific will fall, Texas and MN will romp.
The 7 seeds: WVU will be gone
The 6 seeds: LSU should be the only close one
The classic 5 seeds that could fall to the 12 - Alabama, Mich State
The 4 seeds that must watch out for the 13 - BC, Syracuse
The 3 seeds - My biggest first round upset (that isn't that big inside the numbers) UT State just might beat AZ. The cats have a history of first round flops and ST is the real deal
No real worries for the 1's and 2's in round one.
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| | | 24 | GoatLocker
ID: 427272213
Wed, Mar 16, 2005, 18:44
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I've got all the 1s making it to the Sweet Sixteen.
Two Making it to the Elite Eight.
And
None to the Final Four.
Just my thoughts.
Oklahoma State beats Syracuse in the Final.
Cliff
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| | | 25 | JTSERB
ID: 40135411
Wed, Mar 16, 2005, 21:10
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Final Four: ILL,Florida,Syracuse,WF
ILL OVER Syracuse
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| | | 26 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Wed, Mar 16, 2005, 22:53
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I was about to put Cincy in the Final Four, but I am going to hold back 1 slot and put Cuse. Pretty similar Final Four to many...
Illinois over LSU
Wake over GT
UNC over UConn
Cuse over Cincy
Wake over Illinois
UNC over Cuse
UNC over Wake
Good luck all..
THK
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| | | 27 | Razor
ID: 25038320
Wed, Mar 16, 2005, 23:31
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Typical ACC fan with two ACC teams in the final. Unfortunately, Wake plays no defense and UNC has Roy Williams.
KU over Illinois.
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| | | 28 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Wed, Mar 16, 2005, 23:38
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Typical bitter KU fan. KU won't get past UConn. Who are your other Final Four picks Razor? So far we both have our favorite teams and Illinois...other 2?
My notable upset picks:
Round 1:
Utah State over Zona
Ohio over Florida
New Mexico over Nova
Round 2:
LSU to the Sweet 16
Pitts over Washington
TT over Zaga
New Mexico to the Sweet 16
Utah over OU
Cincy over KU
Round 3:
LSU over OSU
Cuse over Duke
Cincy over Utah
THK
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| | | 29 | Razor
ID: 25038320
Wed, Mar 16, 2005, 23:52
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Oklahoma and Gonzaga.
I'm looking forward to this. This will be your first official Roy Williams "I love those kids so dadgum much" postgame tearfest after a tourney favorite goes down early. Let me know how you like it. You'll genuinely feel bad for him after the first few, but you'll start feeling bad for yourself after the fifth one or so. Keep an eye out for the patented Roy "fake faint" during the game when a call doesn't go his way, and, of course, the deer-in-headlights stare he'll give Felton looks over to the sidelines for a play when UNC is down a point to Florida with 20 seconds to play. If UNC manages to get to the Elite Eight, Roy will get undressed by a superior coach there. Either Self or Calhoun.
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| | | 30 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Thu, Mar 17, 2005, 12:38
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You claim my ACC biased by picking 2 top 10 teams in the nation in the Final Four? Yes you pick 2 top 20 teams from the Big 12.
OU????!?!? I live in Oklahoma remember...that is disgusting. NOBODY is afraid of Gray and Bookout...especially not Utah and Bogut in Round 2.
Man...I have so many bets I would love to make with you, haha.
Good luck with KU, you better hope Langford can play...
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I almost put Wisconsin-Milwalkee over Bama, but decided against it. W-M up 8 early
THK
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| | | 31 | MadAndRabidDOG
ID: 56012617
Thu, Mar 17, 2005, 12:57
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I'm screwed already. I had Alabama winning 2 games in this tournament.
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| | | 32 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Thu, Mar 17, 2005, 13:13
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Bama and Pitts are 2 of my teams in trouble already...
Uh oh
THK
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| | | 33 | culdeus
ID: 72371716
Thu, Mar 17, 2005, 17:37
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Always intersting to see the teams that just short the everliving hell out of the entire field. Somebody has to win at some point right?
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| | | 34 | Razor
ID: 25038320
Thu, Mar 17, 2005, 20:50
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You claim my ACC biased by picking 2 top 10 teams in the nation in the Final Four? Yes you pick 2 top 20 teams from the Big 12.
You're citing rankings as evidence? Psssssh. Rankings don't mean jack come tourney time, especially when considering how much the media loves the ACC. In March, I'll take quality defensive clubs with experience over inexperienced offensive juggernauts that don't play defense. I like KU, OU and OSU's collective chance for a title as much as I like UNC, Duke and Wake's. UNC has the biggest choker in the sport, and that's not just bitterness talking. You'll come to learn the truth in time. Wake plays not a lick of defense. Duke has no depth. Bookout and Gray would scare the daylights out of Duke's weak inside duo. If the refs don't give Duke every whistle in the world, Shelden will be on the bench in no time with foul trouble and Bookout and Gray will dominate Love and Shav. I can't believe how overrated the ACC is. They are good teams, but almost all of those teams are slightly overrated to very overrated with the exception of UNC who is properly rated but coached by a horrible tourney coach. Enjoy your first, and I don't mean championship.
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| | | 35 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Thu, Mar 17, 2005, 23:40
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We will see. You lose your first Final Four team on Saturday!
You almost lost another already today...you must have been praying.
THK
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| | | 36 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Fri, Mar 18, 2005, 23:51
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Razor-
You praying?
I bet you wish you had Roy and all his "chokes" now. Never did Roy lose in the 1st round...Bucknell is in good positition at this time. Sweating Razor?
Maybe those "chokes" are KUs thing, not Roy's...
THK
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| | | 37 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Fri, Mar 18, 2005, 23:53
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Bad intentional foul...KU with hope.
THK
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| | | 38 | Seattle Zen
ID: 178161719
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 00:08
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I'm looking forward to this. This will be your first official Roy Williams "I love those kids so dadgum much" postgame tearfest after a tourney favorite goes down early. Let me know how you like it. You'll genuinely feel bad for him after the first few, but you'll start feeling bad for yourself after the fifth one or so. Keep an eye out for the patented Roy "fake faint" during the game when a call doesn't go his way, and, of course, the deer-in-headlights stare he'll give Felton looks over to the sidelines for a play when UNC is down a point to Florida with 20 seconds to play. If UNC manages to get to the Elite Eight, Roy will get undressed by a superior coach there. Either Self or Calhoun.
How's it feel, Razorhater? People thought that team was the second best in the country at one point?
PATRIOT LEAGUE IN THE HOUSE!
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| | | 39 | esposo
ID: 332391320
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 00:26
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UNC rolls
and will keep rolling
quit blaming the coach
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| | | 40 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 00:38
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One more thing.....
Bookout and Gray would scare the daylights out of Duke's weak inside duo.
Who won the first meeting on a nuetral site?
THK
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| | | 41 | DWetzel
ID: 30353118
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 00:42
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Anyone have a good handle on the "no basket" standings? It's obviously very early yet but I'm feeling good about my basket-free entry.
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| | | 42 | TB
Leader
ID: 031811922
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 00:54
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If you go to the standings, you can sort by excluding basket units. You are in 13th.
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| | | 43 | DWetzel
ID: 30353118
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 01:15
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Well, yes... I know that. :)
Just trying to get a gauge on things. Obviously a couple of the leaders are up there by shorting basically most of the 1-4 seeds and not longing anybody. I'm sort of wondering how excited I should be to have all 10 longs still active and 4 decent shorts eliminated (thank you Bucknell!).
Best answer is probably "outlook hazy, try again later", I suppose.
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| | | 44 | MadAndRabidDOG
ID: 56012617
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 10:10
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There is a guy named ADAM JOHNSON who is playing the TSN bracket game and he's got every game right to this point. He's got a perfect bracket.
Can you believe that? Bucknell, Vermont, Wisconsin-Milwaukee he got all those games right.
Granted, he probably filled out a few brackets but that is unbelievable. Like hitting the lottery or something. I wonder what the odds for that happening are?
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| | | 45 | MadAndRabidDOG
ID: 56012617
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 11:55
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Adam Johnson is playing the YAHOO bracket game. Sorry.
Not TSN.
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| | | 46 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 12:07
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The only game that was off the wall was Bucknell. A lot of people took W-M and Vermont is solid...but I thought their draw was unfortunate for them.
THK
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| | | 47 | MadAndRabidDOG
ID: 56012617
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 12:40
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THK, you have to admit that having a perfect bracket at this point is pretty amazing.
That Bucknell win might help the Wisconsin Badgers go a little farther than expected. I had the Badgers losing to Kansas.
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| | | 48 | MadAndRabidDOG
ID: 56012617
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 13:15
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I had Texas Tech getting beat in the first round but I'm rooting for Bobby Knight to go far now.
Would like to see him make the final four again. That would be cool.
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| | | 49 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 13:27
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MD-
Definitely amazing...
Picking Bucknell, all the correct 10=7 and 8=9 games, etc....awesome.
I hope 1 year I can do the same...it would be awesome.
I picked TT to beat Zaga this round...
THK
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| | | 50 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 15:13
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Ahhhh...
Razor, down goes another of your Final Four teams. Now probably isn't the time to brag, but I picked TT over Gonzaga...
THK
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| | | 51 | kev
ID: 3155515
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 17:09
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I also got lucky and went 8-0 in 8/9, 7/10 games...sadly, a guy in my bracket has 2 perfect brackets so far, and only 2 wrong are Bucknell and Cuse losing.
In the Market Madness game, I longed 6's, and shorted 3's...so far, so good.
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| | | 52 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 18:04
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Hey Razor-
Just like I said...OU loses on Saturday to Utah. I have correctly picked the losing of 2 of your Final Four teams in my bracket, while you are left destroyed.
3 of your disgusting Final Four teams couldn't even make the Sweet 16.
I live in Oklahoma...they can't play away from home. Your Big 12 bias didn't get you anywhere, just like I said.
Still like the collective chances of your OSU team vs the top 3 of the ACC (not to mention GT)?? Only an idiot would, so I am sure you do...
ACC 5-0 (going on 9-1 or 8-2)
Big 12 5-3
Good try Razor...maybe next year
THK
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| | | 53 | Seattle Zen
ID: 178161719
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 18:05
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With Oklahoma stinking up the joint, things are looking REAL bad for Razorhater. Bodes poorly for the Dodgers and very well for Barry Bonds this year- WOOHOO!
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| | | 54 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 23:27
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Damn, there goes one of my ACC/Final Four picks as well. At least they lost in an amazing game.
Razor-
You have lost 3 final four picks. 2 Big 12 teams, which includes your favorite team.
I have lost 2 final four picks. 1 ACC team, and my favorite team is alive.
Oh well..
ACC 5-1
What a great game, too bad Paul and Grey fouled out or it would have gone the other way probably. Oh well....GO HEELS! With Syracuse losing, Duke has a better chance to make the Final Four anyway!
Revised Final Four picks:
Illinois
GT
Carolina
Duke
OH YEA BABY!!! GO ACC!!!
THK
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| | | 55 | Razor
ID: 532421922
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 23:43
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Actually, in the one bracket I placed money on, I looked and saw I had OSU over Illinois and Duke over Oklahoma in the Elite Eight. I flipped back and forth on both of those games. I still like OSU's chances as much as anyone's. Graham is a matchup problem for every team in the nation, and as long as Lucas doesn't go cold, they can play with anyone. Jameson Curry has really come around, and they have a ton of experience.
As for Kansas, yesterday's loss was the worst team Kansas has ever lost to in the tourney. Of course, that humiliation is still slightly better than the disgusting losses to #8 seeds UTEP and Rhode Island in years we were favored to win the title. Or our then 36-1 team losing in the Sweet 16 in '97. Simien, Langford and Miles deserved better, but they got progressively less help from the rest of the team as the year went on. Self got outcoached yesterday, but it was Roy's lack of recruiting that really screwed us. Our junior and sophomore classes are awful, which is why we'll be looking at a #8 seed next year. Self is a helluva recruiter though, so we'll be back on top eventually.
The one care I have now that my bracket is finished and the only team I care about is out is to watch UNC and Duke lose. Watching UNC win the tournament this year would cap one off one of the worst March's I've seen. Thank God you have Roy and not someone good.
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| | | 56 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 20, 2005, 12:24
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Still blaming Roy?! HAHA. Roy surely never lost in the 1st round, much less to a 14 seed.
Roy's lack of recruiting?! If not for his recruiting throughout the years; how do you think your teams would have faired then?
The balance in college basketball is yet again shifting back to the ACC. Duke in a down year gets a #1 seed. Carolina with Roy will be good year in and year out (although next year will be a mediocre year).
My HeeLs are going to St. Louis this year, and I will be on the 10th row watching them cut down the nets...
Next year however could be a problem...we are losing:
Jawad Williams
Jackie Manuel
Melvin Scott
Rashad McCants
Probably 1, maybe both of May and Felton
Marvin may even go???
Those are our top 7 players...but live in the now. The now that has UNC still alive and KU sitting at home already...
My bracket is done for...PRO-ACC now...Syracuse losing really helps Duke, not to mention with getting Dockery back!
Not sure State can upset UConn...but I am pulling for them!
THK
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| | | 57 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 20, 2005, 14:20
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How about that Razor...your predictions suck again. Roy can't be "undressed" by Self or Calhoun because they are both sitting at home. 1 lost to a 14 seed and another lost to an ACC representative!
ACC 6-1
WF shouldn't have lost, but ST made up for it...
THK
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| | | 58 | Razor
ID: 532421922
Sun, Mar 20, 2005, 14:53
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Roy's lack of recruiting?! If not for his recruiting throughout the years; how do you think your teams would have faired then?
Roy was an "every other year" recruiter at Kansas. Because of his allegiance to UNC, he rarely recruited east of the Mississippi, and his recruiting suffered because of it. He'd bring in a phenomenal Hinrich, Collison, Gooden class one year, then leave us with Bryant Nash the next. Roy left us with literally almost nothing in the current junior and sophomore classes. Roy whined about how difficult it was to get kids from the east because "they had to fly over too many schools to get here." What a slap in the face to Kansas basketball. We're among the very top of elite programs in basketball, and Roy has the audacity to say that. Self understood this and in his first year, viola, a player from NY and a player from Florida, the latter of whom Coach K badly wanted and needed. Roy will have no problem recruiting to Carolina because he doesn't believe they play second fiddle to anyone. Then again, I'd watch out for the dreaded "every other year" class.
Roy's failure as a game coach is his inability to to make adjustments. He is a system coach. He has a system, and he is gonna run it, no matter what the other team does. It's a good system, he runs it well, and he gets players to fit that system. That said, when a team comes a long that dose something Roy doesn't expect, then his team gets in trouble because Roy won't adjust. Why did our juggernaut Kansas teams lose to the likes of UTEP and Rhode Island? Why, when faced against a coach with comparable talent, did Roy end up losing so many times? Why did Roy's title game Kansas team lose to Doherty's miserable 8-20 UNC team? You might think that those players were better than ours (they weren't, as evidenced by the rest of the season), it was because Doh exploited weaknesses in Roy's system, specifically, driving to the basket and dishing, which disrupts Roy's overload-one-side style.
The other flaw with Roy is that he coaches so damn tight in March. If he ever loosens up, and subsequently gets his players to play loose in big games, then he'll get his title. Until then, he'll suffer more March disappointments.
The evidence is there. Do you wonder why with vastly inferior talent, Duke was able to almost beat Carolina twice this year? Duke doesn't even get the benefit of their huge advantage with the refs against Carolina. Coach K simply outcoached Roy. Always has. When Duke was very down a few years ago and Dahntay Jones was their best player and they lucked their way into a 3 seed, we played them in the tournament with a vastly superior team but let them hang around because Coach K has Roy's number. If Collison doesn't drop 32 and 19 on Duke, we lose and never see the title game. I'm not at all convinced that Carolina is better off with Roy than they were with Doh, who, by the way, is the man responsible for the plethora of talent on Carolina's current team.
Have fun with Stinson today.
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ID: 332391320
Sun, Mar 20, 2005, 14:53
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NC State - LONG in the ACC BUNDLE -
I didn't get my points????
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ID: 330592710
Sun, Mar 20, 2005, 15:16
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You got them. They are offset by Wake's -15 from last night, so the net is zero (so far).
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| | | 61 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 20, 2005, 17:00
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Do you wonder why with vastly inferior talent, Duke was able to almost beat Carolina twice this year?
First of all. You can't site rivalry games. Carolina/Duke is always close. Think about 3 yrs back when Battier fouled Haywood with 2 seconds left. Think about a few years back with Jeff Capel hit that long range bank 3 to send the game into OT. The game is almost always close...period. That said...getting out coached by coach K is no problem. He is the best coach in college basketball right now. This team was suppossed to be not so good this year, but still got a 1 seed. Period...you can't say inferior talent, because they are still a good team and worthy of a #1 seed.
I'm not at all convinced that Carolina is better off with Roy than they were with Doh, who, by the way, is the man responsible for the plethora of talent on Carolina's current team.
Doherty got a raw deal because he had no talent. When Forte left early that screwed him. All he had was role players. Then McCants didn't like Doherty, but thats fine...because I am much happier with Roy (although Doherty deserves a job). Roy had a great recruiting class last year with Williams, Smith and Curry...too bad 1 is dumb and 1 does drugs...
Have fun with Stinson today.
We did. Good game from him, but we still win by 27. That is the big sleeper from the Big 12...real scary, LMAO. Was that the same team that beat KU at the Phog? LOL
ACC 7-1 (going on 9-1, at worst 8-2)
Big 12 6-4
Razor-
Quit blaming it on Roy. UNC is alive and in the Sweet 16 easily. KU is sitting at home after losing to Bucknell...a team from a league that had NEVER WON AN NCAA TOURNAMENT GAME! 2 more games and you are going to look stupid yet again... Roy just had to get out of that crap conference to flourish! ACC baby...always has been and always will be the best basketball conference in the NCAA's
THK
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ID: 532421922
Sun, Mar 20, 2005, 17:24
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It'd be easier to take your Bucknell taunts more seriously if Carolina hadn't also lost to a 14 seed in the past 5 years.
Anyway, Roy didn't just get outcoached by Coach K, he got whooped. There's no reason at all why Duke should've been able to stay within 10 of Carolina in either game given the talent disparity. The only reason Duke got a #1 seed was because of their win against Carolina and near-win at Carolina. Duke has massive holes which Carolina should've exploited for easy wins in both games. Carolina has five NBA 1st rounders, while Duke is running friggin' Melchioni and Shavlink out there. Even big bad overrated Shelden Williams is a chump next to Sean May. You claim that Duke and Carolina is always gonna be close, which I agree with, yet Duke has beaten Carolina, what, 15 of 19? It seems as though Coach K has done a good job of sweeping Carolina when Carolina was down. Did you not find it disturbing that Redick knew EXACTLY what play was going to be called at the end of the game in Cameron? Roy got outcoached, plain and simple. Badly, I might add, for him to be so predictable that everyone knew what was coming.
Iowa State made the fatal error of trying to run with Carolina, which will get you beat 10 times out of 10. A well coached, athletic team that gets back on defense and slows the game down will make Carolina very vulnerable, as Coach K showed. You guys had, what, one fast break bucket in the first meeting? Nova poses all sorts of matchup problems for anyone, but if they try to run, they'll get beat. Tubby Smith is definitely capable of outcoaching Roy, but I don't think he's got the horses this year. You never know with Roy though. With the two best bets to knock off Carolina in Syracuse already done, I don't know when Roy is going to choke, I just know that he is. Roy would've choked against Kansas the same way he choked against Carolina in '02. Thank God for Carolina fans that you won't ever have to find out.
And the reason Doherty doesn't have a job is because your "classy" program defecated all over his resume before and after firing him. The guy was coach of a top five program and now can't get a job at Tulsa. Embarrassing what you guys did to him and to us. Unlike us though, he's not better off for it.
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ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 20, 2005, 18:13
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You put quotes around classy like I said that?!? I said myself Matt got a raw deal...
We think differently about Duke this year. You see a team that isn't talented. I see a great ball club. 11 SOS and only 5 losses. This team doesn't look like it has as much talent as normal...but the big 3 can carry them to StL probably. JJ and Shelden are 2 of the top 10 players in the country...
I will quit arguing and let you suffer by watching Roy "March(es) to the Arch", while Self has a press conference talking about next year and how bad he hates to see Simien and co. leave...
THK
PS-Not so sure Jawad will go 1st round...
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| | | 64 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 20, 2005, 19:29
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3 ACC teams in the Sweet 16. And to recap...KU, sitting at home, along with OU, ISU and Texas from the Big 12.
TT has virtually a home game vs WV and can probably get to the Elite Eight where their luck will run out vs either Louisville or Washington.
OSU will get bounced before St. Louis as well vs either Zona or Illinois.
UNC, NCST, and Duke are alive from the ACC.
UNC is going to StL behind the wonderful guidance of Roy Williams! ;-)
Duke has a tough game vs Mich St. next round; however, if they get past MSU I believe Duke can make the Final Four.
NCST could beat Wisc and may lose; however, I don't see them making the Final Four no matter.
THK
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| | | 65 | esposo
ID: 332391320
Sun, Mar 20, 2005, 22:23
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I kind of wish I would have bought the #6 seeds instead of the #15 seeds now, and I wish I would have longed the Big ten instead of Conf USA.
Looking back I loved the way texas Tech finished the year (they could end up in the final four with two home games this week). Also being a huge Big Ten Fan, it would have gave me the Wisconsin team, and the upstart Utes.
As far as Roy Williams is a choker arguement is going on in the banter here: He has historically had problems in the big game, but he has never had this much talent. The Tar Hills roll, inspite of Roy.
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| | | 66 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 20, 2005, 22:46
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See, the thing is...what somebody considers a choke, I might not this year. While we have the talent to win...a Final Four or Championship loss won't necessarily be a choke in my mind. It all depends on how the rest of the tournament goes... Hopefully we can get it done though..
THK
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ID: 3155515
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 14:31
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I came back from my vacation happy to see my standings in the 20's. I still have Utah, Louisville, Illinois and UNC all longed, and my only shorts still bugging me involve Arizona.
This should be my best finish in Market Madness yet...which probably corresponds with my best bracket yet.
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| | | 68 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 15:56
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These are just 2 statements I thought I would pull out:
I still like OSU's chances as much as anyone's.
I like KU, OU and OSU's collective chance for a title as much as I like UNC, Duke and Wake's.
Nice job Razor. You are dead on. Just like a typical Big 12 fan. Good bye Big 12...over-rated conference all year. You still like those chances?
It is down to the Big 10 and the ACC. I have a feeling the ACC and Big 10 will split tonight, but it is very possible the ACC wins both. UNC has a cakewalk to the Elite 8...Final Four bound!
THK
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ID: 448331614
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 17:02
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Go Villanova!!!
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| | | 70 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 19:29
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haha...keep dream balls.
THK
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| | | 71 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 19:30
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err...dreamING
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| | | 72 | balls
ID: 53129180
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 19:34
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yeah, it's prolly all i got....keepin the dream alive.
why you so down on the big 12? has to be more to it than just Razor.
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ID: 0134510
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 21:24
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It is. I live in Big 12 country and hate most of the fans! ;-) I stay true to my ACC bias and loyalties!
That said, ST is probably going down. Duke still has a shot but needs a great comeback.
But when push comes to shove...all that really matters are my HeeLs!
THK
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ID: 178161719
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 21:34
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Nobody gave Washington any credit, claiming they should not have been a number one seed. Having just watched the Mich St. v. Duke game, Duke was the biggest poser in the #1 seed, without a doubt.
Longing the Big Ten is looking pretty wise.
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ID: 53129180
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 21:35
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I see. I've lived in big 12, big 8, country my whole life and am a huge Missou Tigers fan.
I too am glad the Big 12 is out of the tourny. Can't stand to see our rivals have any type of success.
Bye Bye Duke and ST.!
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ID: 56012617
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 21:38
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Big Ten has 3 of the final 8 teams. Go Figure.
Everybody said the Big Ten was weak this year except for Illinois.
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ID: 30353118
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 22:14
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Louisville is just KILLING me this tournament. Torched me in my no-basket entry (short Louisville + long Georgia Tech and Washington = ouchie!), and screwed up my brackets as well.
At least I've got that Big Ten long + #5 and #6 long still going. Go Utah!
Too bad the tiebreaker isn't net longs (not that I'm particularly close to a tiebreaker).
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ID: 532421922
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 22:22
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The Big 10 was weak this year except for Illinois. Duke was overrated, and Michigan State was a tough match up for them. Wisconsin really hasn't played anyone quality yet. I'd be shocked if they made the Final Four. Mich State is playing good ball at the right time. Still, I am not terribly impressed with their win over Duke. They just did what every team who played Duke this year should've done: not be intimidated, blanket Redick (which they did except for one or two instances) and try to wear them down/foul them out because they have no bench. I don't see why this was so hard for teams to accomplish. Granted, you have to have a certain level of talent and a quality of coach, both of which MSU has, but I think Duke losing proves that they were overrated as much as it does that MSU and the Big 10 were underrated. A good win, but I was more impressed by, say, the wins over UConn and Wake.
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ID: 532421922
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 22:36
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I see. I've lived in big 12, big 8, country my whole life and am a huge Missou Tigers fan.
I too am glad the Big 12 is out of the tourny. Can't stand to see our rivals have any type of success.
Classic Mizzou! While all 11 other teams in the conference compete hard against each other and wish each other well, more or less, when conference play is over, Mizzou just hates everyone. Who can blame you guys? You never have anything to root for. You just root against Kansas. I do applaud you guys for keeping Snyder around. Here's to many more years of 6th place finishes!
How's that ACC dominance working out, Tarheelkid? The best year for the ACC in the last 20, or so the media had us believe, will yield, at most, one Final Four team. This is a conference that laughably had 5 top 9 teams at one point. Overrated. Clap clap clap-clap-clap.
Go Nova. When UNC loses, I can watch the rest of the tourney in peace.
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ID: 56012617
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 22:39
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Wisconsin has got 2 very very good players on their team and some decent role players.
Mike Wilkinson and Alando Tucker can play with anybody.
Tucker really impressed me tonight.
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ID: 56012617
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 22:40
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I don't think NC State had anybody as good as those two.
Julius Hodge did not impress me.
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| | | 82 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 22:42
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How's that ACC dominance working out, Tarheelkid? The best year for the ACC in the last 20, or so the media had us believe, will yield, at most, one Final Four team.
Are you kidding? The Media has been hyping the top 2 ACC teams, but nobody else. All season the media was saying this was a down year for the ACC and Duke, which it was. Also, like you can talk? Where is the Big 12? Where is KU? Oh yea...all sitting at home.
UNC is down right now, but will fight on. Nova and UNC's shooting won't continue this same way.
GO HEELS.
THK
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| | | 83 | MadAndRabidDOG
ID: 56012617
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 22:42
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Looks like North Carolina is going down tonight. Sorry THK.
Villanova vs Wisconsin for the final four.
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| | | 84 | balls
ID: 53129180
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 22:55
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lol...I wish they would get rid of Snyder, he hasn't done anything but bring the program down from the stormin Normin days. Piss me off.
While all 11 other teams in the conference compete hard against each other and wish each other well, more or less, when conference play is over, Mizzou just hates everyone.
That's complete crap and you know it. Typical KU fan that is full of it. I've lived in Missouri, Kansas, and Colorado and have seen all fans root against other Big 12 schools. Again, you're full of it.
No hatin here...just rootin against ya.
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| | | 85 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 23:04
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Don't worry balls. Razor has a "the world hates me" mentality. Because with all the "chokes" Roy had, he never lost in the 1st round...much less to a team from a league that had NEVER WON AN NCAA TOURNAMENT GAME. Cracks me up everytime I think about it...
GO HEELS! Good run to end the half. 4 more TOs than Nova, poor shooting and Foye is on fire...reasons why UNC is losing. Carolina's run is coming!
THK
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| | | 86 | Myboyjack
ID: 121159118
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 23:05
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Nobody gave Washington any credit, claiming they should not have been a number one seed.
They were right. UW was not a #1 seed worthy team. My Cards showed you who was.
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| | | 87 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 451044109
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 23:14
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I'm not sure that's that's accurate Myboyjack. You may have had the better team but that doesn't mean they were #1 seed worthy. You have to earn that playing well all season. They didn't earn it during the regular season.
Duke was a #1 seed. They earned it. Were they 1 of the top 4 teams in the country? Absolutely not. And that was proven tonight. But they earned a #1 seed. Washington could be questioned. But they certainly played well enough to get a #1. Regular season wins determine the #1, not who is better.
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| | | 88 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 23:20
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MAD-DOG-
NCST was up 9 at half but lost...
Comebacks happen...and its a small 4 pt margin.
Don't count the HeeLs out yet...
THK
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ID: 532421922
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 23:28
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THK, I don't hate everyone. The list of teams I hate: Mizzou, KSU, UNC, and Duke.
Roy never lost to Bucknell, but he did lose to UTEP, Rhode Island, a couple of inferior Syracuse teams, and came up short again and again with absolutely loaded teams.
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ID: 451044109
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 23:29
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Razor, and outside of Danny Manning's superhuman performance when did Kansas not underperform?
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| | | 91 | Razor
ID: 532421922
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 23:32
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Rarely, and that's the point. Roy has had at least four title caliber teams.
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| | | 92 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 451044109
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 23:50
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Razor, so what you are saying is that your team has a history of choking so to make yourself feel better you belittle THK's Tar Heels?
That's tremendous.
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| | | 93 | esposo
ID: 332391320
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 23:57
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ACC? LOL - J/K TarHillKid, I have UNC winning it all
Big Ten Power - now if I would have longed the Big Ten on my guru bracket...
Wisconsin doesn't even get the best guys from Wisconsin - Bo Ryan is an amazing coach (so was Dick Bennett before him), the swing offense with designated screeners is still catching on with the rest of the country
did you hear Billy Packard say that Izzo had 6 of the last 7 Mr. Basketball's from Michigan - what he didn't mention was who got away. Just think if Billy Donovan didn't steal him (illegally?) after he had verbally committed to MSU? The Spartans would be unstoppable right now with Roberson at PG.
Illinois is the best three guard offense in the country, but big post players give them problems, ask them about Dials and Ohio state, they doubled him so bad tha thtey foget to guard the three ball, the Illini still look really good, though
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| | | 94 | balls
ID: 53129180
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 00:21
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not worried about him THK...he's just talkin nonsense.
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| | | 95 | MadAndRabidDOG
ID: 56012617
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 00:28
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traveling my ass, what a bad call
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| | | 96 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 00:34
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Whew! That was a close one boys! Perfect scenario though. Like Packer said...it tested Carolina. Glad it wasn't a "cakewalk" like I predicted, because maybe now they will wake up and play a full 40 minutes vs Wisconsin.
3 games down, 1 to go to the Final Four! Where's KU Razor? Where are all the Big 12 teams? Albeit the Big Ten has shown its power over all conferences with 3 teams in the Elite Eight; however, my HeeLs are still alive and that is what really matters!
Wisconsin plays a totally different ball game, so it will be interesting.
Go Illinois and Louisville. I want to see the best teams in the Final Four from that side. I think Mich St will beat Kentucky, but either way...it will be a great matchup in the Final Four for Carolina if they can get past Wisconsin. I really want to see the matchup everyone has been wanting...Illinois vs Carolina in the Finals...
GO HEELS! Sweet 16 survivors...Final Four bound.
THK
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| | | 97 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 00:35
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Don't worry, that 3 wasn't a 3 either...
The main point is...Carolina moves on. There were bad calls throughout the game on both sides. There always is...
THK
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ID: 532421922
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 02:08
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Razor, so what you are saying is that your team has a history of choking so to make yourself feel better you belittle THK's Tar Heels?
No, I'm saying Roy Williams has a tremendous history of choking, and I root against him for being a liar and a traitor and for going to a program whose antics with the Doherty fiasco tarnished its reputation. But ya, I guess if you want to attempt to belittle me, you can say I do it to "make myself feel better." A horrible traveling call against Nova cost Roy another chance to choke. Too bad. With Sumpter, I liked Nova's chances. Without him, I thought they'd end up on the short end of the stick, but they really made it a game.
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ID: 3155515
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 02:38
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Sitting in 2nd place now in the Market game. With not a ton of experience (this is my 3rd year, and first time this high), I don't know exactly where I stand...With Illinois/UNC/Louisville longed, I figure I can't be too bad off. I realize there are bonus's, so Im worried about Mich St/Wisconsin.
I guess after Sunday we will really know where I sit.
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| | | 100 | MadAndRabidDOG
ID: 56012617
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 08:59
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It would be pretty funny if 3 big teams make the final four.
I think Illinois and Michigan State are gonna make it. I don't know about Wisconsin.
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| | | 101 | MadAndRabidDOG
ID: 56012617
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 08:59
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should say 3 big ten teams
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| | | 102 | Myboyjack
ID: 121159118
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 10:07
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I'm not sure that's that's accurate Myboyjack. You may have had the better team but that doesn't mean they were #1 seed worthy. You have to earn that playing well all season. They didn't earn it during the regular season.
Louisville is 29-4, including a 7-2 record against NCAA tourney teams. Their #4 seed wa a joke.
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| | | 103 | MadAndRabidDOG
ID: 56012617
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 10:53
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I have Louisville winning the whole tournament in my brackets.
Too bad I didn't get much else right. :)
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Sustainer
ID: 451044109
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 10:56
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Myboyjack, I'm not saying they should have gotten a #4. I probably would have had them as a #3. But my point was they didn't deserve a #1, which I'm assuming you are agreeing with.
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ID: 121159118
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 13:30
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Farn - I think they were as deserving as Washington. UW plays in a weal conference (as does UL) and didn't do anything that stood out to me. There were several teams that could make that claim, though. I was not surprised that UL didn't get a #1, I was shocked they didn't get a #2.
Obviously the commitee grossly over rated the ACC and Big 12. Nothing new there though.
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| | | 106 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 14:12
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Over-rated the ACC?
UNC deserves a 1 seed.
Duke deserved a 1 seed after the ACC tourney win.
WF was a 1 seed until Chris Paul punched Hodge in the nuts and they lost in the quarters of the tourney.
Then NCST gets a 10 seed and proves they can play.
Not quite...
The ACC is 9-4 with an opportunity to finish 12-4. Over-rated? WF was upset, but beyond that the ACC had a strong showing. Duke wasn't as good as their #1 seed, but they deserved it with their play in the regular season.
The ACC is the 2nd best conference this year...only surpassed by the Big 10. However, my HeeLs will outlast them all!
THK
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ID: 121159118
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 18:28
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I don't know what's more incredible: that WVU is 17/22 on 3 pointers or that UL is only down 6 after that.
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ID: 121159118
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 18:32
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To put that in perspective, if WVU was shooting 50%, a great rate for 22 shots, Louisville would be up by 13.
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| | | 109 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 18:46
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Regional Final record for 3s....18...WOW!
OT but Garcia is out...
GO LOUISVILLE!
THK
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| | | 110 | Myboyjack
ID: 121159118
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 19:00
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I'd like nominations for a tougher performance in the tourney than UL's today.
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| | | 111 | kev
ID: 3155515
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 19:04
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WV might not even cover now....it's what happens when the 3's stop dropping. Great game though- by both teams.
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ID: 121159118
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 19:05
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Really, the 3s haven't stopped dropping - they've missed 2 in a row and it seems like a bombshell.
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ID: 3155515
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 19:13
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so, anyone remember the Duhon 3 that swung the UCONN/Duke game from a gambling perspective? Well, that missed dunk at the end of the game just gave anyone with WV at 8.5 the win, and Louisville the loss....crazy.
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| | | 114 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 19:16
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Funny...that was suppossed to be the BAD game of the day!
GO Illini!
THK
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ID: 0134510
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 20:29
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Zona looks great even with Salim playing well. Either team is going to be a great Final Four representative, which is exactly what I want.
THK
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ID: 121159118
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 21:00
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Goodbye Illini. Zona is strong.
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ID: 53129180
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 21:35
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you say something, mbj? ;)
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| | | 118 | Myboyjack
ID: 121159118
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 21:35
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Amazing comeback. Wow. 'least Zona covered.
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| | | 119 | kev
ID: 3155515
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 21:42
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well, I won my local bracket with Illinois' win. I had hedged both WV and Zona today, and came out happy- winning both spreads, but having both teams lose.
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| | | 120 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 21:45
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Holy shit! That was amazing...15 pts in 2 minutes and 30 seconds basically. What an amazing game... Illinois having home games though...I hate it.
Oh well... Illinois vs Louisville
GO HEELS tomorrow!
THK
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| | | 121 | kev
ID: 3155515
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 21:53
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so looking at the Market game, I am in first now, but it will be hard to hold off KevinL who now sits in 4th place. He gains on me everytime UNC and Illinois win. The only way I see me holding him off is Louisville beating Illinois. But Im sketchy with the scoring...I just see him gaining everytime a one seed wins.
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| | | 122 | esposo
ID: 332391320
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 23:20
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looking at the market game I wish had longed the Big Ten (U-Mich grad '85)
4th, 8th, 26th
Arizona killed me in all three by not falling apart;
Kevmarbury3 looks insanely good for the market game - way ahead and a bunch of longs left
too many political discussions with Sam Adams tonight - I need to sleep (aka - pass out)
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| | | 123 | MadAndRabidDOG
ID: 56012617
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 08:44
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I guess this is the very first time that Wisconsin and North Carolina have played each other.
That's kind of hard to believe since they have that ACC- Big Ten challenge every year don't they?
Wow, The Badgers are 10.5/11 point underdogs. I didn't expect the spread to be that big. They're probably gonna get killed.
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| | | 124 | esposo
ID: 332391320
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 09:55
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my guess is that Bo Ryan IS a better X & o's coach than Roy Williams (sry TarHIllKid)but UNC has more McDonald's All-Americans
having said all that, ryan will negate the All-Americans by keeping the game in the low 60s - if this happensthe Badgers have a chance
if Roy somehow finds a way to turn them over and get lots of extra touches then his superior talent will prevail
Wisconsin has played UNC type teams (MSU, Illinois) this year but has UNC played Wisconsin type teams?
Wisconsin covers 10.5
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| | | 125 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 11:25
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Yes, UNC has faced a few teams that have attempted to slow the tempo, but none have been too effective. Not effective enough to hold the TaR HeeLs in the 60s like the Badgers need.
When Wisconsin has faced athleticism they are 1-4...expect more of the same today.
HeeLs punch their Final Four ticket soon enough!
THK
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| | | 126 | balls
ID: 53129180
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 11:40
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Go Wisconsin!!!
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| | | 127 | MadAndRabidDOG
ID: 56012617
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 12:12
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Live in Wisconsin and fair weather Badger fan (Marquette is my team) but that point spread makes me wonder if they have a chance.
I think if they had a chance the spread would be under 7 points at least. 10.5/11 is a blowout spread.
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| | | 128 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 451044109
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 12:13
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Villanova was an 11 point dog too....
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| | | 129 | MadAndRabidDOG
ID: 56012617
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 12:17
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Well, it's unlikely that a close game with a big spread will happen two games in a row.
Now I am even more pessimistic. Thanks Farn. You Troll.
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| | | 130 | MadAndRabidDOG
ID: 56012617
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 12:23
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I have been wrong alot lately picking games but let me just pick North Carolina -10.5/-11 whatever it is at your book.
Wisconsin is gonna get killed.
I was right about the horse "Wild Desert" yesterday so I might be on a roll.
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| | | 131 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 13:42
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UNC overlooked Nova. They are awake now and ready to run! GO HEELS!
THK
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| | | 132 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 15:37
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UGGGGGG. Bad end to the half by Carolina...
Come on HEELS!
THK
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| | | 133 | kev
ID: 3155515
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 16:43
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Well, I just figured out if Wisconsin had won this game, I was solid in first. Even a Mich St win wouldn't have mattered.
Wisconsin played a great game. 3 great games so far...
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| | | 134 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 16:47
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TAR HEELS IN THE FINAL FOUR!!!!
YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! YEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!
THK
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| | | 135 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 16:48
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No peace for Razor! ;-)
THK
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| | | 136 | balls
ID: 53129180
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 17:07
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Have fun at the Final 4, THK.
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| | | 137 | MadAndRabidDOG
ID: 56012617
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 17:46
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I haven't picked a game right in ages. Badgers kept it close. Badgers have some talent coming back next year. Alando Tucker, Kammron Taylor, Brian Butch.
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| | | 138 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 18:34
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GOOO UK! 1 matchup already and a 13 point win, albiet at home. UK just doesn't look good to me...they keep winning but for some reason I would rather play them than MSU. All that scares me on UK is Azabuikerkeu. Their frosh big man is over-rated and a waste compared to Davis, which would give May a big advantage.
GO UK!
THK
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| | | 139 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 19:26
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HOLY CRAP!!! One of the most amazing things I have ever seen...
THK
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| | | 140 | balls
ID: 53129180
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 19:34
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This has been a great weekend of baketball. Maybe one of the all time best elite eights.
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| | | 141 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 19:40
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Kentucky looks like UNC in that first Duke game....horrible time management at the end of the first OT
Yes balls...I would call this the best Elite Eight games of all time...
3 OT games has NEVER happened
THK
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| | | 142 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 19:42
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UK is done. No Azebiuaidufke in double OT
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| | | 143 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 19:42
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GO UK! Pull it out somehow...
THK
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| | | 144 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 19:56
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TERRIBLE CLOCK MANAGEMENT. What was UK thinking not fouling with 29 seconds left? They lost 17 seconds and then fouled a career 91% FT shooter!!
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| | | 145 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 20:01
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Game set match. Horrible clock management at the end of OT and double OT...
Illinois vs Louisville and UNC vs Mich St.
THK
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| | | 146 | kev
ID: 3155515
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 23:57
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Quite close now with the Mich St win...my lead is down to 4 points. Optimization2 has Mich St, the 5 seed, and the Big 10- I only hold the big 10. He also has shorted 1 seeds....
Once again, my math in this thing is not great, but I believe a UNC win over Mich St would give me first. Still, should be a fun finish.
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| | | 147 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Mon, Mar 28, 2005, 00:05
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I think you are right Kev....
SOOO I am rooting for you!
THK
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| | | 148 | KevinL
ID: 42152723
Mon, Mar 28, 2005, 00:15
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OK, I think the top 4 players have the following teams left:
kevmarbury: 605 pts + 2x(Ill), 3x(Lou), 1x(NC)
Optimization: 601 pts + 2x(Lou), 3x(MSU), -1x(NC)
basketcase: 542 pts + 2x(Ill), 1x(NC), 2x(MSU)
KevinL: 513 pts + 3x(Ill), 2x(NC), 3x(Lou), 1x(MSU)
By my calculations (which may be wrong), kevmarbury wins if North Carolina makes the championship game, or if MSU makes it and loses to Illinois.
Optimization wins if MSU beats Illinois or if the final game is MSU vs Louisville, regardless of the winner.
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| | | 149 | kev
ID: 3155515
Mon, Mar 28, 2005, 14:03
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I also have 1x MSU with the BIG 10 being longed.
Not that it makes a difference- I think you have hit it on the head.
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| | | 150 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Tue, Apr 05, 2005, 02:40
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Razor-
Should I brag now or later???? Hmmm...
OK BOTH...
The North Carolina TaR HeeLs, led by Roy Williams are the 2005 National Champions!!!
Just got back from the game...it was an amazing experience!!!
THK
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| | | 151 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Thu, Apr 07, 2005, 19:27
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Ah, just like a KU fan that had to endure a choking to a team from a league that had NEVER won a tournament game until they beat KU to run and not return.
How does it feel Razor, when you hear those words:
North Carolina 2005 Champions
or how about
Roy Williams wins his first title
I don't have the time to go back, find and copy all the stupid things you have said in this thread (somebody else...FEEL FREE!!!) but just got back and re-read some of your idiotic statements. Maybe you will realize how dumb you are!
GO HEELS!
THK
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| | | 152 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Fri, Apr 15, 2005, 17:01
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Poor Razor. Only 84 more years until the Curse of Roy Williams is over! ;-) It speaks volumes about yourself not coming back here...
THK
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| | | 153 | Razor
ID: 36241218
Mon, Apr 18, 2005, 16:24
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It doesn't say anything about me except that I haven't check this board in a month.
Congrats to the Tar Heels. I am sad that two men who turned their backs on a program (Dean and Roy) and a bunch of me-first kids got to celebrate winning a title, but what are you gonna do? Sean May's a good kid despite Doherty-gate, I think, but I won't miss seeing McCants in a college uniform. I'd have much rather seen those kids from Illinois win.
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| | | 154 | TaRhEElKiD
ID: 0134510
Mon, Apr 18, 2005, 17:11
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But you didn't! Don't worry, only 84 more years for the curse of Roy to be broken! ;-) 1988, man...that was ages ago, must suck to be a Jayhawk (funny thing, KU was my safety school when applying to colleges).
Doherty was announced the new head coach of Florida Atlantic today...glad he has another job.
GO HEELS GO! Next year we rebuild unfortunately; however, the HeeLs will be back and 2005 National Champs is something that will never be taken away!
THK
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| | | 155 | Razor
ID: 48316913
Mon, Apr 18, 2005, 17:16
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Glad he got another job.....some "family." The fact that he's at FAU and not a major program shows how far Roy and Dean's influence extends...and the disdain they have for their former golden boy.
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| | | 156 | crypticfreak1
ID: 57259610
Mon, Mar 06, 2006, 12:00
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Doesn't anyone in here feel that IOWA will do something this tourney? 22-5 record 8-3 against top 25 including wins over the other best teams in the big ten. 1-0 vs Ohio State, 1-1 vs Wisconsin, 1-1 vs Illinois. Watch out for them. If they get heated up they will go a ways in the tourney.
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