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Subject: Ann Coulter is secretly a man


  Posted by: Tree - Donor [419552117] Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 06:58

 
1Tree
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Coffee burns when it comes out of your nose in a non-stop fit of hysterical laughter.
 
2JerryLewis
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      Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 10:07
Kim Serafin is beautiful. Another political commentator you see on tv alot. Radio show host on the west coast somewhere.


Can't stand that Coulter biotch.
 
3Myboyjack
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      Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 10:35
How appropriate that JL responds.
 
4John Budge
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      Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 12:53
To change the subject back to 'Condie'. She needs some serious dental work, dontcha think?
 
5Perm Dude
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      Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 12:56
Comes from taking a bite out of liberals' asses, I believe.
 
6Myboyjack
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      Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 13:01
I'll take Condi on a date any day over the females from the last administration. Janet Reno, Ruth Ginsberg, and Madeline Albright, anyone?
 
7James K Polk
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      Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 13:09
Yeah, but Reno can dance!
 
8Tree
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if you'd been following Boondocks for the past week or so, you'd know that Condi only dates black men, so i'm out of the equation...
 
9biliruben
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      Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 13:26
I'd rather date dubya.
 
10Madman
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Jocelyn Elders anyone?
 
11JerryLewis
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lol madman
 
12Mattinglyinthehall
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      Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 14:10
Can't say for sure but I'd bet almost anything that the previous administration wins hands down (hands on?) at the intern level.
 
13Tree
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      Wed, Oct 22, 2003, 15:29
Hanukah With Monica
© 1998 Sean Altman & Rob Tannenbaum


The underwear she wore was so erotica
She liked to serve 'cause she was patriotica
She put that age-old myth to bed - 'bout Jewish girls not giving head
One thing she was not was underfed

He likes jazz, but she likes electronica
He plays sax, but she toots his harmonica
& every day she's in the news is one more bad day for the Jews
How long must we suffer through the blues

'Cause now it's Hanukah with Monica
It all seems so moronica
Hey you nosy paparazzi - let my people go eat matzi
Hanukah with Monica - It's so tragecomica
Stuffed her face with rugelach
She gave his thing a tugelach

He wagged his finger, said it's just platonica
While she drank him like a gin & tonica
She put the head in head of state
Tell Yasser Arafat to wait
It's secret service while you legislate

And now it's Hanukah with Monica
Light up your Cubanica
Eight whole days of goin' nuts - on the presidential putz
It's Hanukah with Monica - this plague is so bubonica
'tis the season to be noshin' - on big Bubba's hamentashen

Oh oval office dreidel - she made it hard as clay
On presidential kneepads - he just sees her beret....

Yes it's Hanukah with Monica - this condition's chronica
We all want to dance the hora - but she blew the whole menorah
Careful don't you make a mess - "That's Manischewitz on my dress"
Hanukah with Monica - this ends our symphonica
A Hanukind of Monikind of year....

 
14Wilmer McLean
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I thought it was Easter with Monica.
 
15Stuck at Work
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I don't think it's that much of a secret. As I remember, her real name is Anton. Everything else fits.

Don
 
16Perm Dude
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      Mon, Oct 27, 2003, 14:43
Well-written review of Ann Coulter's Treason
 
17Toral
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      Mon, Oct 27, 2003, 15:19
Link doesn't work for me. Maybe my browser knows I wouldn't want to see it :)
 
18Perm Dude
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      Mon, Oct 27, 2003, 15:21
Hmmm. Works for me (Netscape 7). Anyone else have problems?

http://collectedmiscellany.com/archives/000024.php

Home page: http://collectedmiscellany.com/
 
19Toral
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      Mon, Oct 27, 2003, 15:25
Never mind. It worked; just took an unusually long time to load.
 
20James K Polk
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      Mon, Oct 27, 2003, 17:36
Yes, the pages at that site took a long time for me to load as well.
 
21biliruben
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      Tue, Oct 28, 2003, 18:19
All Baldwin wants for Christimas...

Of course, it might lead to "unnatural lusts." ;)
 
22Tree
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      Tue, Oct 28, 2003, 19:14
the coolest thing about that is that you can click on all of the sound samples at once and it's a big mess of nonsense, which is pretty much right on when it comes to the "lady" in question....
 
23Myboyjack
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      Wed, Oct 29, 2003, 09:16
The doll's too fat.
 
24Seattle Zen
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True, MBJ, but otherwise it is anatomically correct. Just like the real Ann, there are no sex organs nor an a$$hole, it seems that she expells waste orally.
 
25Toral
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      Wed, Oct 29, 2003, 14:54
The doll's not nearly as pretty as Ann, and it does an injustice to her great legs.
 
26biliruben
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Shipping Weight: 0.00 pounds

DON'T FORGET EXTRA BATTERIES!


Translation: She's a light-weight motor-mouth.
 
27Toral
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      Wed, Oct 29, 2003, 15:15
I would definitely stock up on batteries since the doll talks.
 
28Tree
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actually, i think they were talking about batteries for ann's "personal massager"....
 
29Tree
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nothing really to do with anything, but i just liked the picture - taken from Mike Park's website. his upcoming solo debut cd is one of the discs i've been listening to quite a bit lately...
 
30Tree
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31Myboyjack
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Couldn't resist.
 
32Tree
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      Sun, Nov 09, 2003, 09:03
Fish in a barrel, fish in a barrel...
 
33Baldwin
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      Sun, Nov 09, 2003, 15:57
I have a feeling many Hillary haters just hate powerful women in general. - Bili

Ann B****slaps you liberals every week and twice on weekends but it seems a strong woman shocks you into a state of denial so you don't recognize it.

You couldn't get a date from her, couldn't win an argument with her, so you ineffectual losers have to pull out a penis joke like Beavis and Buttheads to sooth your deflated little egos. Pathetic really.
 
34Tree
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      Sun, Nov 09, 2003, 21:32
Baldwin - Ann Coulter isn't powerful, she's just loud and obnoxious, and has just enough charisma and charm to get suckers to blindly believe everything she says.

she listened to PT Barnum well.

as for the rest of your comments, i don't know that i'd even want a date with her (nor would i want a date with hilary for that matter), and you're right, it would be difficult to win an argument with her, because all she spouts is nonsense.

oh, and Baldwin, that last line really made you sound like a whiney little bitch who has seen his muse kicked around (and rightfully so) one too many times...sounds like you're pining hard for her buddy...
 
35Razor
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      Sun, Nov 09, 2003, 23:48
Baldwin, your Coulter-worshipping is out of control. The whole "Coulter owns you" bit was tiresome to begin with, but "you couldn't get a date with her"? Come on. What is this, 4th grade?
 
36Baldwin
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      Mon, Nov 10, 2003, 02:33
Somewhere in those atrophied liberal brains a light is dawning that there is a conflict between Bili's statement...

I have a feeling many Hillary haters just hate powerful women in general. - Bili

...and the gradeschool premise of this thread. It isn't hard to grasp at all. It's glaringly obvious in fact.

 
37biliruben
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      Mon, Nov 10, 2003, 10:47
I not sure whether to be honored or frightened that Baldwin had apparently hard-coded my words into his permanent cache. I'll start with mildly concerned, I think.
 
38Pancho Villa
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Hillary is a US Senator, and a former 1st lady. She is a powerful woman.
Coulter is an entertainer, but certainly not powerful by any stretch of the imagination. Oprah is a powerful female entertainer. Hell, even Brittney Spears is a more powerful female entertainer than Ann.
The attempt to place Hillary and Ann on the same plateau of influence and power, is, to paraphrase, the product of an atrophied brain.
 
39Toral
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      Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 18:30
Annie's at it again, trashing liberals who have no respect for human life.

You go, girl.

Toral
 
40Perm Dude
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      Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 18:58
Does she do any other tricks?
 
41Toral
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      Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 19:42
Does she do any other tricks?

Yep. She makes liberals bark, whimper, whine, and run around in circles, all at her command.

Toral

 
42Perm Dude
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Hell, Bush does that without even trying.
 
43Tree
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well, when people realize that she's talking loudly but not saying much, sweet Ann's gonna learn all about trickin'....
 
44Perm Dude
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Question: If a woman without a soul turns tricks, is it really immoral?
 
45biliruben
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Callin' sweet ann a ho with soul. Baldwin's going to be very angry with you two talking about the woman he loves like that.
 
46Tree
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Ho with a soul, ho with a hole, ho with some blow...bitches is bitches and ho's is ho's, and ann coulter just don't know...
 
47biliruben
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48Tree
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stop posting this stuff - you'll ruin Baldwin's erection.
 
49walk
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      Mon, Nov 17, 2003, 17:08
Pretty close on the humor index to what Al Franken has to say in his book about Coulter. What is creepy is how she is favored by so many. Bizarre! I would pay for a pay per view with her and Franken locked in a room with no escape and some kinda of electroshock whenever they stopped talking for more than 10 seconds. It would be brutal. It would be good.

- walk
 
50Greg W
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      Mon, Nov 17, 2003, 17:19
I find it disingenuous to insinuate that Moderates and Conservatives would like Liberals put to death. However, psychiatric care, removal of any political power and force contraception to prevent any further procreation are worth considering.
 
51biliruben
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      Mon, Nov 17, 2003, 17:27
So you are admitting her broad charge of treason is indefensible garbage cooked up simply for greed and fame (among the easily duped) or infamy (among those with even half a brain), and you wouldn't dream of adding to her profits by buying her book of bile?
 
52walk
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      Mon, Nov 17, 2003, 17:37
"book of bile." Awesome bili, reminds me of something I would have heard in the movie "Evil Dead (2)"

;-)
walk
 
53biliruben
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      Mon, Nov 17, 2003, 17:43
LOL, Walk. I actually just bought a book of bile from the Gnome's Laboratory in Warcraft III. It allowed me to force all those good and fair within hearing-distance to vomit on command. Unfortunately it gave all those with evil in their hearts a permanent illusion giving them a serene feeling of victory even as dagger enters their hearts.
 
54Perm Dude
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      Mon, Nov 17, 2003, 17:46
As long as we are on the topic of fantasy fiction (this is an Ann Coulter thread, after all), anyone read the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan?

Just picked the first book up last month, and am a few pages into book two.

pd
 
55walk
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      Mon, Nov 17, 2003, 17:50
Can't get too sick for me, read any Ed Lee lately? Not fantasy, but about as hardcore sick, violent and sexual as one gratuitous man in need of pure escape can find. Funny, too! Time to go home...

- walk
 
56biliruben
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      Mon, Nov 17, 2003, 17:51
Nope. I am still hopelessly behind in my Neal Stephenson reading. Cryptomicon is next, on that fiction front.
 
57biliruben
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      Mon, Nov 17, 2003, 17:54
Sick, violent and sexual - nope. Still working through Irvine Welsh's books, when those tastes need fulfilling. Never heard of Ed Lee.
 
58Perm Dude
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      Mon, Nov 17, 2003, 17:56
Irving! I know his editor very well. Even met Irving once, on the eve of a cross-country driving trip he was planning. Almost asked him if he planned on running over a lot of dogs on the trip (animals don't do so well in his books, if you haven't noticed. Never asked him about it, though).

pd
 
59biliruben
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      Mon, Nov 17, 2003, 18:04
It Irvine strike you as twisted as the creator of those works would almost have to be?
 
60biliruben
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That reminds me that I need to recommend Glue to Zen.
 
61James K Polk
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      Tue, Nov 18, 2003, 12:43
That reminds me that I still owe you a book, bili :) I know it's buried here at my desk somewhere ...

I'm about 100 pages into Stephenson's "Quicksilver." Slogging so far, but I understand it picks up in the 2nd half. First part of a trilogy. You did Snow Crash already?
 
62biliruben
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      Tue, Nov 18, 2003, 13:19
yep.
 
63James K Polk
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      Tue, Nov 18, 2003, 13:36
I think I liked Cryptonomicon better overall, but if I were going to pick one of his up again, it would definitely be Snow Crash. Cryptonomicon is such a commitment. Plus you got to love a book where the main character is named Hiro Protagonist :)
 
64James K Polk
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      Tue, Nov 18, 2003, 13:40
Also just finished one called "War for the Oaks" by Emma Bull. Interesting combination of rock music and Faerie warfare, with mortal girl caught in the middle.
 
65biliruben
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      Tue, Nov 18, 2003, 13:47
Sounds cool! Sound a bit like Summerland, which I finished a few months ago, by Michael Chabon (Wonderboys). I loved it.
 
66James K Polk
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      Tue, Nov 18, 2003, 13:57
I'll have to check that one out. From the Amazon description, though, I'll bet you'd end up liking "War for the Oaks" too. At the beginning of the book I was vaguely annoyed at some of the writer's hipper-than-thou song-name-dropping, but that tidied up before too long. Either that, or I just gave myself over to it :)

I'm intending to check out some of her other books; "Bone Dance" and "Finder" sound interesting to me.
 
67Baldwin
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      Wed, Nov 19, 2003, 06:29
Unfortunately it gave all those with evil in their hearts a permanent illusion giving them a serene feeling of victory even as dagger enters their hearts. - Biliruben
 
68biliruben
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      Wed, Nov 19, 2003, 12:06
You gotta love the delusionally righteous. If we had a multi-party system, you could get the APA to lobby for your DRP. Use the Dodo as your party symbol.
 
69Tree
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70Toral
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      Sat, Nov 22, 2003, 12:19
Annie's spectacular anti-liberal blast of the week.

Ann has the ability to amaze, rather like Pat Buchanan, in that even a hard-line conservative, after reading her stuff, is for one second shocked, and conmservatives ask themselves "Did she just say what I thought I heard her say?" And in the case of Ann, the answer to that question is always an emphatic YES!.

Toral
 
71Toral
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      Sat, Nov 22, 2003, 12:34
Annie zaps the New York Times.
 
72Tree
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      Sat, Nov 22, 2003, 12:37
after reading just a few paragraphs of that vile bile, it's really a shame that a personal tragedy doesn't affect Ann Coulter, preferably in the guise of a bullet to the brain.

to take an SZ quote out of his original context, "Put the bitch down..."

it's only a matter of time before we find out that sweet annie is a carpet-munching lesbo, has a brooklyn pushcart jewish grandfather, and lost her half-sister to some sort of flesh-eating virus....

i told my parents last night i was going to start an internet radio show, and be just like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh in that i didn't need facts to back up anything, so i was just gonna lie and stretch the truth too - i mean come on, how many of us had heard Howard Dean talk about his brother with any sort of regularity prior to this week?

Week after week, Ann Coulter reveals herself as nothing more than a hack writer with blonde hair and a poison pen, without anything terribly important to say.
 
73Greg W
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      Sat, Nov 22, 2003, 13:05
Ann Coulter is a parody of right-wing conservatives. I doubt even she takes herself seriously. I find her rants humerous, unlike comedian Al Franken, who has become just a little ball of hate.
 
74Baldwin
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I couldn't disagree with you more about Ann, Greg. She is driving them crazy because they have nothing to combat her but sneering, so completely does she own them.
 
75Tree
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man, i felt the jizz spray from post 74 all the way over here. nasty...
 
76sarge33rd
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      Wed, Jan 07, 2004, 09:37
just for you Baldwin:


link
 
77Tree
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      Wed, Jan 07, 2004, 12:02
ewwwwwwwwwww.........



eat a freakin' sandwhich you anorexic witch. and make sure there's plenty of cheese and mayo on it...
 
78j o s h
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      Wed, Jan 07, 2004, 12:02
"Swing voters are more appropriately known as the 'idiot voters' because they have no set of philosophical principles. By the age of fourteen, you're either a Conservative or a Liberal if you have an IQ above a toaster."

— Ann Coulter

LOL
 
79biliruben
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      Wed, Jul 07, 2004, 16:46
Ann obviously forgot to read the Constitution.

The Constitution defines treason thus:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

So, some ask, does this mean that anyone who helps our enemies (as the reader suggests John Kerry did with his statements during the Vietnam War) is guilty of treason, assuming the procedural requirements are satisfied?

No. The Supreme Court has held that "adhering" requires an intent to help the nation's enemies. Merely knowledge that one's actions will help the enemies isn't enough. Thus, for instance, in Haupt v. United States (1947), the Court concluded that a father's sheltering his son -- a Nazi saboteur -- isn't treason if his intention was simply to help his son (as a result of "parental solicitude"). To be treasonous, the father's actions had to be intended to aid the Nazis. Likewise, in Cramer v. United States (1945), the Court held that:

On the other hand, a citizen may take actions, which do aid and comfort the enemy -- making a speech critical of the government or opposing its measures, profiteering, striking in defense plants or essential work, and the hundred other things which impair our cohesion and diminish our strength -- but if there is no adherence to the enemy in this, if there is no intent to betray, there is no treason.

There are some mid-19th century decisions that take a broader view of treason, for instance concluding that all trading with the enemy in time of war is treasonous, without regard for whether one is intending to help the enemy, or just intending to make money (which one knows will help the enemy, but which one doesn't do with the specific purpose of helping the ennemy). But the modern view is that intention, not knowledge, is necessary.
 
80Myboyjack
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      Wed, Jul 07, 2004, 18:18
I think you must mean, Ann obviously forgot to read some SCOTUS cases from the 1940's; her understanding sits pretty well with the Civil War era holdings. Wonder how she feels about Dred Scott.
 
81biliruben
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      Wed, Jul 07, 2004, 18:30
I'm not sure I follow, MBJ.

Are you saying that SUV drivers should be convicted of treason for supporting terrorism via their gas-guzzling ways because the Supreme Court defined "adhering" too narrowly? Your justification being that the Supreme Court once failed to strike down slavery?
 
82biliruben
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      Wed, Jul 07, 2004, 18:40
Or more impersonally:

You suggest that perhaps Ann doesn't agree that intent should be part of the Surpreme Court's interpretation of the Constitution's term "adhere," and that as such, Humvee drivers are treasonous.

She is perhaps an originalist who chooses to interpret "adhere" as simple "knowledge" that it would help the enemy because the Supreme Court chose once to remain non-active by not the freeing slaves.
 
83biliruben
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      Fri, Feb 18, 2005, 13:29
I got an unsolicited email just now:

(WARNING: I was afraid to test out those links - look at your own risk!!!!)

Here’s a shocking revelation about that hatchet-faced "journalist" Ann Coulter, her fling with Big Mouth O'Reilly and the demon seed that together they spawned...

http://www.averyant.com/video_anncoulter.htm

thanks,

Mike

http://www.averyant.com/rants.html
 
84Jazz Dreamers
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      Fri, Feb 18, 2005, 15:36
bili, why would only SUV owners be treasonous under
the extreme interpretation of "adhere"? Wouldn't any
car owner who regularly consumes gasoline be
treasonous?

Man, I'd be lonely if all you automobile owners weren't
around. ;)

PS - MBJ, I still owe you some research on polygamy in
the courts. I'm gonna get around to it "soon".
 
85biliruben
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      Fri, Feb 18, 2005, 15:56
Yeah, we are all treasonous, but Humvites (Humvonians?) should be shot first!

Maybe they will run out of bullets by the time they get to Honda owners. ;)
 
86Jazz Dreamers
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      Fri, Feb 18, 2005, 19:54
The hard thing is how to decide who should be the last one shot. We have to pick someone responsible enough to carry out the punishment when there's nobody else left around to enforce the law. But everyone's a treasonous traitor, so who can we trust?
 
87biliruben
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      Fri, Feb 18, 2005, 20:01
I vote for those treasonous little terrorists over at Critical Mass to be last.
 
88biliruben
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      Thu, May 05, 2005, 20:53
A swarthy gentleman finally asks Ann Coulter questions at a level she can appreciate.

What I take to be the substantive question (what cultural conservatives who support morals legislation think about the fact that many upstanding married people engage in "sodomy," chiefly oral sex but sometimes also anal sex) is quite legitimate...
 
89biliruben
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      Thu, May 05, 2005, 20:58
On related note, does anyone else think it is likely a sign of the apocalyse that Michelle Malkin is taking Laura Miss Prissy Bush to task for being undignified? Jeez. I was fairly confident MM was a twit. Now I'm positive. I found Laura's stand up pretty funny.
 
90biliruben
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      Mon, May 09, 2005, 16:16
Waxing philosophic on Coulter:

There are often calls in the blogworld for academics on one side or another to denounce vicious person X who is in some indeterminate sense on ‘their side’. Unless X is in a position of real political power, e.g. a Senate Committee Chair, these calls seem thoroughly misguided to me. Conservative academics are under no more obligation to denounce vile commentators like Coulter than social democrat academics are to denounce the extremists on their flanks, the Ward Churchills of the world and the like. Frankly there is too little time in the day to be spent trying to find out if some Labor voter from the University of Woolloomooloo said something false that I should be distancing myself from. But I don’t go around actively aligning myself with the very worst my side has to offer. Bonevac can’t say the same thing, and he should feel ashamed of that.

Coulter commits the worst political sin you can commit in a democracy – she doesn’t allow that there might be such a thing as a loyal opposition. In Coulter’s world there is only support for the government or opposition by any means possible. This way lies perpetual revolution, and I can’t imagine why anyone, let alone a conservative, would want to be along for the ride.


She's hardly worth the time, but since they they bothered...
 
91Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Mon, May 09, 2005, 18:29
A pox on that bonehead's house. How anyone doesn't 'get' Ann Coulter is beyond me. I can understand liberals hating how effective she is, but she is funny as hell and hits the ball out of the park every column.
 
92sarge33rd
      ID: 2442512
      Mon, May 09, 2005, 18:51
must be a kiddie park.
 
93biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Mon, May 09, 2005, 19:22
He "gets" her just fine. She's a divisive, shoot-from-the-hip hater who attempts with all her slight might (and fortunately fails) to rip out the heart of our great nation.
 
94Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Mon, May 09, 2005, 19:28
Nah, the heart of the country is red and gets her just fine.
 
95biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Mon, May 09, 2005, 19:31
The heart of our nation is that it is a democracy, which has at it's center rational, reasoned debate. Ann "Joe McCarthy" Coulter is all about vicious degradation of debate. She wouldn't know the strengths upon wich democracy was built if if bit her on her bony arse.
 
96biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Mon, May 09, 2005, 19:34
I have a strong feeling that if you let yourself think about it, unclouded by the nastalgia you feel for the scarecrow from the Wizard of Oz, you would agree that Ann, and those like her, poison this country. The more people like yourself allow her to delude you, the deeper that poison runs.
 
97sarge33rd
      ID: 2442512
      Mon, May 09, 2005, 19:34
Nah, the heart of the country is red...

Thats what the Kiowa, Apache, Cheyenne, Arapahoe, Sioux etc etc etc thought too.
 
98Stuck in the 60s
      Dude
      ID: 274132811
      Mon, May 09, 2005, 19:47
Is there any chance, any chance at all, that it's all a schtick? Could Coulter be carefully conniving?

Don
 
99biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Mon, May 09, 2005, 19:52
I don't really think it matters, SIT6.

If I thought she actually believed half of what she said, I would actually have more respect for her, not less; and be less concerned, given that if she was truly full of that much bileous hate, she would end up in a padded room before she was 40.

 
100Tree
      ID: 28430321
      Mon, May 09, 2005, 20:06
Coulter realized that many in the conservative branch of this country traffic on hate, and parlayed that into a nice little career.

she says nothing new, she says nothing interesting, and she says nothing to try and mend fences.

she is a destroyer, a hater, but she's a brilliant woman because she knows there's a sucker born every minute, and most of them lean toward the right.
 
101Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Mon, May 09, 2005, 20:22
You are all demonstrating what people do when they can't actually debate the points Coulter highlights thru her satire.
 
102biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Mon, May 09, 2005, 20:29
Is this satire, Baldwin?

“When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed too. Otherwise they will turn out to be outright traitors.”

Or this:

“only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building“

You find that funny?

Only sick homoerotically repressed conservative cranks who are looking to kill both types masterbation with one stone would enjoy that sort of sick, twisted "satire."
 
103Tree
      ID: 28430321
      Mon, May 09, 2005, 20:37
only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building

meanwhile, if someone remotely suggests we might have a hand in making our own bed with 9/11, they're branded a traitor.
 
104bibA
      Sustainer
      ID: 261028117
      Mon, May 09, 2005, 20:44
OK Boldwin, you wanna debate on her issues?

I will begin by stating that I do not agree with her re: her stated desire that the U.S. should nuke North Korea. You believe that she hits the ball out of the park every time.

Do liberals who disagree with her on this even need to articulate just why such a heinous act would be so deplorable? Maybe you can give us some positives re: this view: nuking N.Korea being fun and that it would be a good lesson for liberals.
 
105Stuck in the 60s
      Dude
      ID: 274132811
      Mon, May 09, 2005, 21:57
I just can't stand her ad hominem arguments. She cannot argue positions on their merits. It's usually, "I disagree with you, therefore you suck."
 
106Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Mon, May 09, 2005, 22:17
Especially like #2 and #7
 
107Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Mon, May 09, 2005, 23:15
Well you guys have no standing to complain about ad hominem.

According to most of you, she doesn't write worthwhile, because she is a man, or she wears ugly shoes, or she is a scarecrow...yada yada yada. Do you really think you are changing any minds with that?
 
108Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 09:22
Do you really think you are changing any minds with that?

So are you admitting that her style of purposely malicious and unfounded attacks is useless in getting a message across?

There's a difference between writing ad hominem attacks on a forum with a readership of about twenty and devoting your life to writing books full of them and screaming them on every street corner.
 
109Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 09:30
My personal belief and practice that once you have completely demolished you opponent with logic, you can no longer on the whole be accused of an argument directed merely 'at the man' instead of reason. Therefore she is not guilty of ad hominem. Character attacks of hers against left, so very very deserving, are merely frosting on the cake. She never fails to devastate her intellectual opposition by pointing out their absurdity first, and then she holds nothing back, heaping on the deserved scorn afterward.

So just, so right, so deserving.
 
110Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 09:45
Assuming that she is right about everything she says*, why doesn't she just leave well enough alone and leave us liberals to stew in our own wrongness rather than mocking us and kicking us while we're down, too? I don't think that's very Christian, do you?

* - Insert "(hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha)" here
 
111Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 09:46
Because you don't just knock a vampire down. You put a stake thru his heart.
 
112Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 09:56
Horrible analogy. Liberals aren't inherently evil; we're just stupid and/or uninformed.

So, do you consider Coulter to be acting as a good Christian or not?
 
113Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 10:03
I believe that what I call '60's liberalism' is in fact immoral and evil.

Sharpen the stakes Ann.
 
114Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 10:22
Please define "60's liberalism."

Somehow I doubt that if Jesus were a blonde, female politcal satirist, he'd act like Ann Coulter does, but hey, maybe I'm giving JC and Christianity too much credit. Wasn't there something in the Bible about turning the other cheek, being humble, etc? I don't know.
 
115Perm Dude
      ID: 17321143
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 10:29
Ironically, what people like Coulter took away from the 60's was that it was OK to feel good about yourself, and they've taken it to another level by feeling good about themselves by attacking others.

I think 60's liberalism got it nearly all right (civil rights, voting rights for women, gay rights, and a strong sense of social justice that should extend outside our own borders). Remember that they were, for the most part, reacting to events around and before themselves.

It was the 70s liberals which got much of it wrong, IMO. But conservatives aren't interested in painting with a small brush here--it's less taxing on a pretty head.
 
116Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 10:39
Razor

Jesus was brutally honest and irrefutable. The 'defenders of the zeitgeist' hated him too for those very reasons.

True Jesus wasn't interested in earthly politics.
 
117Perm Dude
      ID: 17321143
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 10:46
"honest" isn't the same as mean. Jesus never spoke in satire as a coverup for viciousness.
 
118Tree
      ID: 9362211
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 10:55
Jesus never spoke in satire as a coverup for viciousness.

oh. i thoughts what large parts of the New Testament was. ya know, that whole hating gays thing?
 
119Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 10:57
You're being deliberately obtuse, Baldwin. People don't hate Coulter for being honest. Honest or not, right or not, they hate her because she goes out of her way to agitate her opposition.
 
120Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 11:14
They hate her because they can't refute her points, and then they hate her again because she kicks her opponents once they are on the ground.

PD

Jesus spoke in parables to cover brutal honesty.
 
121Perm Dude
      ID: 17321143
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 11:16
Sure, but he never spoke in parables to cover being mean.

Don't confuse "honesty" with "an excuse to dehumanize my political opponents." Particularly given Coulter's only passing knowledge of "truth" (the most necessary component of honesty).


 
122Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 11:22
Razor

Considering the unfair advantages liberals have by owning the MSM, owning the university, owning the troll army, and owning most of the last 50 years, I am certainly not one to tie one hand behind her back and lecture her on the queensbury rules.

If you can't handle one ornery as hell, hundred pound, 'Molly Ivans-on-the-right' without running home to yer momma cryin' then shame on you.
 
123Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 11:26
Can't refute her points? She often gets refuted (and how).

Come on, Baldwin. Admit it. Coulter is acting unJesus-like even if she has the most honest, irrefutable message since Jesus. Search your feelings, Baldwin. You know it to be true.
 
124Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 11:33
You liberals always want and need an unfair ratchet in any intellectual battle, don't you?

You guys can be indymedia vicious, Sid Vicious Bloomenthal, Carville vicious, NOW vicious, etc. but the other side has to sit on their hands and serve tea and smile sweetly and just take it.

Nope. Not going down that road with you.
 
125Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 11:41
Ann defends Tom DeLay

We keep hearing Tom DeLay's name uttered in angry, accusatory tones, but I still don't know what law he's supposed to have broken. As far as I can tell, DeLay didn't even cheat at golf during that trip to Scotland. But you know what liberals always say: "Where there's nothing, there's fire."

You know, Ann, it shouldn't even matter to you morally superior people if DeLay broke any laws or not. For those who haven't explored this side of Tom DeLay, this article alone exposes DeLay's

complete and total lack of moral fiber.

But Ann of course would never bring that into the equation because it has nothing to do with her stated goal of demonizing liberals, even when it constitutes an inherent dishonesty.

Here's another glaring example of Ann's inherent dishonesty from the same article:

The callers are always teachers. (No wonder our kids aren't learning — their teachers are always on the phone with talk-radio shows pretending to be Republicans.)

Our kids? There is no record of Ann ever being married, much less having kids. At 43, she is obviously still a virgin, since I think sex out of wedlock is a sin reserved only for immoral liberals. Since she feels qualified to bring up our kids and thier teachers it might be prudent to ask Ann how many:

Parent/Teacher conferences she's attended
PTA meetings she's attended
School fundraisers she's attended
School soccer, basketball, baseball games she's attended
School plays, talent shows and musical programs she's attended

I just don't think I'll put a whole lot of credibility into anything Ann has to say about our kids, since I have two and she has none.

I posted a commentary by conservative columnist Bob Novak the other day scolding Democrats and Republicans for their harrassment of Republican Senator Tom Coburn(R-Ok)in his admirable efforts to expose blatant pork projects in the Senate.

Too bad this country is absorbed by an Ann Coulter who only sees evil and corruption from one side, while the Bob Novaks are relegated more and more into obscurity.

 
126Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 11:42
Jesus would.
 
127biliruben
      ID: 531202411
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 11:46
Hey, if I aligned myself with viciousness, I'd be prepared to defend it.

If I couldn't, I'd admit I was wrong.

The trouble is you are saying she is a goddess, you agree 100% with everything she says (hits one out of the park every time), and then say it's okay because other people on the other side are dehumanizingly vicious as well.

Ya know, I don't give a fig if other people or vicious. I know that already. What I have a problem with is your love affair with, and support for, this particular vicious, nasty, dehumanizing "woman."
 
128walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 12:12
and, biliruben "hits it out of the park"!

Agreed on all counts. Nasty sells; shock-jock, provocative, and the more folks complain, the more she's empowered and reinforced to continue. I do think she's part shtick, and I think she loves it. She's like a strong perimeter defense -- ya gotta deal with that rhetoric and hatred before you can get into the weeds and deal with the real issues from the "more reasonable" conservatives.

- walk
 
129Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 12:28
The truth hurts...if that's vicious? Deal with it.
 
130Perm Dude
      ID: 17321143
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 12:30
You really want to go through all the untruths of Coulter, Baldwin?

Your slogan should be: "The lies hurt? Deal with it."
 
131Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 12:40
Which is it, Baldwin? Does Coulter say outlanding things just for effect or does she only speak the truth and only the truth?
 
132walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 12:41
Riiiiiight, #129

the lies and vicious intent and bigotry hurts. "The truth hurts." Oh, okay, if you say so!

- walk
 
133Tree
      ID: 9362211
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 12:44
if i were to use Coulter's style, i'll suggest she oughta be tied up, gang-raped, sodomized, brutalized, left for dead, and gang-raped again.

and somehow, i'd be wrong. i suppose it's because i'm not some crack-whore skinny blonde with a mean streak.
 
134sarge33rd
      ID: 2442512
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 12:48
...it's because i'm not some crack-whore skinny blonde with a mean streak.

nope. just a "fat jew" with a mean streak! ;)
 
135Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 14:59
You guys are all so...'sweetness and light'...I think I'll just send her this thread so she can see how all the nice liberals play.
 
136Tree
      ID: 9362211
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 15:10
thanks for proving the point, Baldy. when we say it, it's spiteful. when she says it, it's satire.

the only thing that Ann Coulter needs more than an attitude adjustment and some accuracy, is a ham sandwich with extra cheese and mayo...
 
137walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 15:35
Actually, Tree, my tastes in members of the opposite gender run similar to Ann's physique, but her ugliness is not skin deep -- it's flouted in a nasty way. If it's shtik, then it's just "off," because it's too inciteful, too bigoted. If it's not, and she really feels this way (coupled with almost sociopathic lying tendencies), then she's really hateful.

I think she's a bit of both, and would not be surprised at all if she had a handful of close liberal friends. I think she enjoys the shock value and attention, and also knows that she's helping galvanize her party. "It's working."

- walk
 
138Texas Flood
      ID: 326462912
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 15:59
If Ann Coulter is a man at least she dosen't have to pick up her belly to find her dick like Micheal Moore;).
 
139sarge33rd
      ID: 2442512
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 16:01
no, just needs to look on the floor under the bed. no doubt, AC is a gelding. Prolly the reason AC's so full of hate and venom. Got neutered.
 
140Texas Flood
      ID: 326462912
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 16:15
Nah Sarge she's one of those gay Roman nutless dudes!
 
141biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 16:16
Unich. Same thing.
 
142sarge33rd
      ID: 2442512
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 16:18
you know.....come to think on it, I dont recall having even heard of AC, until after Bobbitts 15 minutes of fame were over. Anybody ever seen Bobbitt and AC at the same time????? hmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
143Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 16:23
a) I think John Wayne Bobbitt got his piece re-attached

b) It's spelled "eunuch"

c) Ann Coulter is almost certainly a eunuch

d) It is difficult to reconcile Baldwin's worship of Ann Coulter with his worship of such a diametrically opposed figure, Jesus. I'm pretty certain Jesus would loathe Ann Coulter's methods.
 
144Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 17:09
While I of course appreciate the offer of religion lessons from the crass bunch above, I'll pass.

Jesus, peacemaker tho he may be, did not live to make the world a copasetic place for liars. He was harsh...

I make one obvious paraphrase here and edit various passages and phrases so you can capture the spirit...

So, after making a whip of ropes, he drove all those out of the marketplace of ideas, overturning their tables. Take these things away from here! “YOU are mistaken, because YOU know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God...“Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! “Woe to YOU, blind guides...Fools and blind ones...“Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU resemble whitewashed graves, which outwardly indeed appear beautiful but inside are full of dead men’s bones and of every sort of uncleanness. 28 In that way YOU also, outwardly indeed, appear righteous to men, but inside YOU are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness...“Serpents, offspring of vipers, how are YOU to flee from the judgment of Ge·hen´na? 34 For this reason, here I am sending forth to YOU prophets and wise men and public instructors. Some of them YOU will kill and impale, and some of them YOU will scourge in YOUR synagogues and persecute from city to city; 35 that there may come upon YOU all the righteous blood spilled on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zech·a·ri´ah son of Bar·a·chi´ah, whom YOU murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly I say to YOU, All these things will come upon this generation.

37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her,—how often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks together under her wings! But YOU people did not want it. 38 Look! YOUR house is abandoned to YOU.

When he caught sight of many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to the baptism, he said to them: “YOU offspring of vipers, who has intimated to YOU to flee from the coming wrath?

And nobody was able to say a word in reply to him, nor did anyone dare from that day on to question him any further.
 
145Tree
      ID: 9362211
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 17:14
crass bunch indeed, oh lover of Ann Coulter, the queen of crass.

your doublespeak and doublestandards are no longer surprising Baldy. they are laughable, as you continue to be a self-parody.
 
146Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 17:16
Hello, king of crass. She must not be your queen.
 
147Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 17:17
Wait, she rules all she surveys so...she must be your queen.
 
148sarge33rd
      ID: 2442512
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 17:28
So, after making a whip of ropes, he drove all those out of the marketplace of ideas, overturning their tables. Take these things away from here! “YOU are mistaken, because YOU know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God...“Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! “Woe to YOU, blind guides...Fools and blind ones...“Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU resemble whitewashed graves, which outwardly indeed appear beautiful but inside are full of dead men’s bones and of every sort of uncleanness. 28 In that way YOU also, outwardly indeed, appear righteous to men, but inside YOU are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness...“Serpents, offspring of vipers, how are YOU to flee from the judgment of Ge·hen´na? 34 For this reason, here I am sending forth to YOU prophets and wise men and public instructors. Some of them YOU will kill and impale, and some of them YOU will scourge in YOUR synagogues and persecute from city to city; 35 that there may come upon YOU all the righteous blood spilled on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zech·a·ri´ah son of Bar·a·chi´ah, whom YOU murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. 36 Truly I say to YOU, All these things will come upon this generation.





didnt Rev Moon try something similar once?

wondering something Baldwin. Lets assume for a moment, that Christianity were one of the "new" faiths. (We'll further for a moment assume, it to be the 'one true' faith.) Now, JC appears and pulls that stunt in The Mall of America in Twin Cities. With your infamous L&O conservative stance, you' prolly have him jailed. Yes?
 
149Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 17:32
I cannot imagine any valid reason for you to think that.
 
150sarge33rd
      ID: 2442512
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 17:34
lol with no christian premise, you see no reason to think I would believe you would want other than to jail a lone man, running thru the Mall, whipping people as he passes??????


gddmn man, talk about being in denial.
 
151Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 17:41
12 And Jesus entered into the temple and threw out all those selling and buying in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 And he said to them: “It is written, ‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but YOU are making it a cave of robbers.” 14 Also, blind and lame persons came up to him in the temple, and he cured them.
Nah, performing genuine miracles does not qualify for an arrest. Not by me anyway. And I don't feel anymore friendly to greedy televangelists reaching than he would, I don't believe.
 
152Toral
      ID: 53422511
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 17:52
walk 137 I think she's a bit of both, and would not be surprised at all if she had a handful of close liberal friends.

Why would it be inconsistent or something for her to have some close liberal friends?

Toral
 
153Tree
      ID: 9362211
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 17:55
Why would it be inconsistent or something for her to have some close liberal friends?

well, considering she wished death upon liberals, in the form of an airplane hitting the ny times building...
 
154bibA
      Sustainer
      ID: 261028117
      Tue, May 10, 2005, 18:01
143 : "d) It is difficult to reconcile Baldwin's worship of Ann Coulter with his worship of such a diametrically opposed figure, Jesus. I'm pretty certain Jesus would loathe Ann Coulter's methods."

After seeing Boldwin's open minded, well thought out arguments in favor of Ms. Coulter's views, can anyone still doubt that Jesus would approve of said views? I would say with certainty that Jesus would be in favor of jailing liberals as traitors, and would surely demand that the U.S., as a God fearing, loving nation, nuke the godless Norh Korea ASAP!
 
155Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 01:01
She's already admitted to having dated a liberal. Not sleeping with the enemy mind you.
 
156Toral
      ID: 53422511
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 01:13
Yes. walk hasn't answered yet, but my view is that the liberals are projecting their own meanest nasty selves unto Ann. Ann criticizes and satirizes liberals, and may actually hate certain aspects of liberalism (why not?), but who would generalize that into the suspicion that she 'must hate all liberals'? Well, only liberals, and I can see only two possible reasons, neither creditable to liberals.

1) Liberals, having created for themselves the stereotype of Ann as a hater, have come to believe their own propaganda;

2) Liberals themselves are haters, and so could not imagine having a conservative as a friend, and so they believe this must be true also of the other side.

Don't know which one explains walk's case. But as an accredited Witch Doctor, he can prob tell me ;)

Toral
 
157bibA
      Sustainer
      ID: 261028117
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 01:50
Liberals have created the myth that Ann Coulter hates them? You don't think that she has created this assumption herself with her own statements? Such as:
------------
ALAN COLMES (FOX News Channel Hannity & Colmes co-host): Are all the American people that don't support him [President George W. Bush] dumb?

COULTER: No. I think, as I indicated in my last book,they're traitors.
-----------
On former Senator Max Cleland (D-GA): "Luckily for Cleland's political career and current pomposity about Bush, he happened to do it [lose an arm and both legs] while in Vietnam."
------------
"it's no surprise they want Saddam Hussein back. He made the Democrats seem moderate by comparison"
------------
"Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots"
------------

Of course one could go on and on. Toral believes liberals have created Ann Coulter as hater. Don't you think she has contributed just a bit to convince one of this possibility, that she hates?
 
158Toral
      ID: 53422511
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 01:58
Perhaps some liberals have never watched her personally while delivering these lines. That may be another cause.

Ann is a great political satirist in the tradition of Twain, Mencken, Will Rogers, etc. In her writing she is most like Mencken, the difference being that while Mencken was a genuine misanthrope, Ann likes people. Even liberals.

Toral
 
159Perm Dude
      ID: 17321143
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 03:00
She likes liberals dead, you mean.

This whole transformation of Coulter into "satirist" is quite interesting. When conservatives who tried to defend her on factual grounds got their hides handed back to them everytime Coulter opened her attention-getting, factually-distorting mouth, they decided that they simply didn't want to give up on her because they loved the feeling she gave them by bashing their political opponents. So they decided that facts and temperment didn't matter anymore and started calling her stuff "satire" even though she's never accepted that label and there's no indication that she doesn't mean every word she says or writes.

Satirists have a great and long history in the political scene of the United States, but they are much more complex than Coulter has ever been, even if she believed she was putting out satire. Indeed, the only aspect of satire that we can associate with Coulter is that we should not take it at face value. Yet (again) Coulter has never indicated anything but.

Try to rationalize your love of Ann's brutality all you want. Like those who not-so-secretly enjoyed George Wallace's satirical stand in the schoolhouse door, you're going to have to evolve from that to get anywhere. We'll await you in a more reasonable area of discourse if you care to join us.

pd
 
160Tree
      ID: 28430321
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 06:56
comparing Coulter to Twain and Rogers is absurd. and silly. and wrong. and a disgrace to the memory of those great men.

Coulter nothing more than the dominatrix (warning - NSFW link) for the submissive in all of you. she's is the woman who whips and beats, and has you begging for more.

that's all she is.
 
161Cosmo's Cod Piece
      ID: 11314719
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 07:53
This column really scratched my itch...



http://www.anncoulter.org/

Since it links to the main page, I'll post some direct quotes in case it gets changed.

"As long as liberals can keep repeating "Tom DeLay" and "ethics violation" in the same sentence and get the media to throw a grade-A hissy fit –- and it's so hard to tease that out of the mainstream media when it comes to a Republican — and they've got themselves a scandal!

Close your eyes and even now you can hear Aaron Brown saying: "Embattled Rep. Tom DeLay came under fire again today when it was disclosed that his Permanent Record showed he refused to take a nap once while in kindergarten. We turn now live to Wolf Blitzer with former kindergarten teacher Louise Millicuddy in Livingston, Texas. Wolf, could this bombshell spell the end for the combative Tom DeLay?"

How about asking the Democrats — I would recommend asking Rep. Rosa DeLauro this -– to explain precisely which law they believe DeLay broke? People will have already left the building before we get the most basic outline of the allegation. These are the same legal geniuses who looked at dozens of Whitewater-related felony convictions and said, "Crime? What crime?" "

"A ringleader of the DeLay witch-hunt in Texas is Patricia Baig, who took out a full-page advertisement in a Texas newspaper calling for DeLay's resignation. Baig signed her letter, "A Texas Republican for Ethical Reform."

There is no record of Baig ever voting in a Republican primary, belonging to any Republican clubs or contributing to any Republican politicians in Texas or anywhere else.

To the contrary! Baig contributed to the Democrat who ran against DeLay in his last election. She used her maiden name for the ad, calling herself "P.A. Perine (Texas Republican)." She is a substitute teacher."

"Another conservative getting the Emmanuel Goldstein treatment is John Bolton, Bush's nominee to be ambassador to the United Nations. The charge against Bolton consists of the allegation that he is an absolute beast to his co-workers.

Have the Democrats heard about Katie Couric? As The New York Times described it last week: "America's girl next door has morphed into the mercurial diva down the hall. At the first sound of her peremptory voice and clickety stiletto heels, people dart behind doors and douse the lights." (Funny, I do the same thing when I'm watching the "Today" show at home by myself.)

Things have gotten so bad at "Today," sometimes they show that videotape of Katie's lower bowel exam just to lighten things up.

Can't Barbara Boxer do something to protect the staff of NBC's "Today"? They're at least Americans. First they had to live through the horrors of the Bryant Gumbel years, and now this. Also, I can't be completely clear here, because somebody could get killed, but why isn't a certain lamp-throwing junior senator from New York helping them out? Oh wait — I think I know why ...

I repeat: Bolton has been nominated to be ambassador to the United Nations. It's not like it's an important job. Get a grip, people! He's not replacing Paula Abdul on "American Idol."

The U.N. is an organization with thousands of people from all over the world with one thing in common: They badly need to be yelled at, preferably by a guy who looks like Wilford Brimley. When did collegiality with representatives from North Korea and Syria become a pressing national issue?

Why just imagine if Bolton raised his voice in front of Sudan's ambassador, or (gasp!) Burma's! I mean, Myanmar's! (Sorry, military junta that runs Myanmar!)

Democrats are enflamed at the idea of Bolton mistreating representatives of slave-traders and dictators, but won't lift a finger to help the staff of "Today." We used to be a country that cared about ratings genocide.

The only silver lining to the Democrats' efforts to kill Bolton's nomination is that if they succeed, Bush could nominate Ronald Reagan's ambassador to the U.N.'s Economic and Social Council instead. (Alan Keyes!) Maybe then we could finally get on with the important work of quitting the U.N. and kicking them out of New York. Isn't it somebody else's turn to host those guys yet?"
 
162Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 08:59
There's no such thing as a good conservative. People who voted for Bush hate America. I wish death upon the editors of National Review.

Sincerely,
The Next Great Political Satirist

P.S. Laura Bush is a heifer.




I wonder if Toral has a great sense of irony and is himself aspiring to be a great satirist because that's about the only reasonable way I could think one could compare Coulter to a Twain or a Rogers.
 
163Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 09:08
With a bit of conservative Mencken thrown in too.
 
164Stuck in the 60s
      Dude
      ID: 274132811
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 09:54
According to AC, global warming is a theory. That could be the scariest thing I've heard her say. Even worse, Bush, et al, seem to agree. We should be ashamed to have a president who would pull us out of the Kyoto accords.

Don
 
165biliruben
      ID: 531202411
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 10:08
Nice post, PD.

She's that little devil on their shoulder that spews the hate that they wish they had the cajones to spew, because it makes them feel all self-ritious and baaad.
 
166Baldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 10:20
To the contrary. We should be ashamed of scientists and scientific publications who care more for political correctness, than correct science.
Evidence
Two of the world's leading scientific journals have come under fire from researchers for refusing to publish papers which challenge fashionable wisdom over global warming.

A British authority on natural catastrophes who disputed whether climatologists really agree that the Earth is getting warmer because of human activity, says his work was rejected by the American publication, Science, on the flimsiest of grounds.

A separate team of climate scientists, which was regularly used by Science and the journal Nature to review papers on the progress of global warming, said it was dropped after attempting to publish its own research which raised doubts over the issue.

The controversy follows the publication by Science in December of a paper which claimed to have demonstrated complete agreement among climate experts, not only that global warming is a genuine phenomenon, but also that mankind is to blame.

The author of the research, Dr Naomi Oreskes, of the University of California, analysed almost 1,000 papers on the subject published since the early 1990s, and concluded that 75 per cent of them either explicitly or implicitly backed the consensus view, while none directly dissented from it.

Dr Oreskes's study is now routinely cited by those demanding action on climate change, including the Royal Society and Prof Sir David King, the Government's chief scientific adviser.

However, her unequivocal conclusions immediately raised suspicions among other academics, who knew of many papers that dissented from the pro-global warming line.

They included Dr Benny Peiser, a senior lecturer in the science faculty at Liverpool John Moores University, who decided to conduct his own analysis of the same set of 1,000 documents - and concluded that only one third backed the consensus view, while only one per cent did so explicitly.

Dr Peiser submitted his findings to Science in January, and was asked to edit his paper for publication - but has now been told that his results have been rejected on the grounds that the points he make had been "widely dispersed on the internet".

Dr Peiser insists that he has kept his findings strictly confidential. "It is simply not true that they have appeared elsewhere already," he said.

A spokesman for Science said Dr Peiser's research had been rejected "for a variety of reasons", adding: "The information in the letter was not perceived to be novel."

Dr Peiser rejected this: "As the results from my analysis refuted the original claims, I believe Science has a duty to publish them."

Dr Peiser is not the only academic to have had work turned down which criticises the findings of Dr Oreskes's study. Prof Dennis Bray, of the GKSS National Research Centre in Geesthacht, Germany, submitted results from an international study showing that fewer than one in 10 climate scientists believed that climate change is principally caused by human activity.

As with Dr Peiser's study, Science refused to publish his rebuttal. Prof Bray told The Telegraph: "They said it didn't fit with what they were intending to publish."

Prof Roy Spencer, at the University of Alabama, a leading authority on satellite measurements of global temperatures, told The Telegraph: "It's pretty clear that the editorial board of Science is more interested in promoting papers that are pro-global warming. It's the news value that is most important."

He said that after his own team produced research casting doubt on man-made global warming, they were no longer sent papers by Nature and Science for review - despite being acknowledged as world leaders in the field.

As a result, says Prof Spencer, flawed research is finding its way into the leading journals, while attempts to get rebuttals published fail. "Other scientists have had the same experience", he said. "The journals have a small set of reviewers who are pro-global warming."

Concern about bias within climate research has spread to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, whose findings are widely cited by those calling for drastic action on global warming.

In January, Dr Chris Landsea, an expert on hurricanes with the United States National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, resigned from the IPCC, claiming that it was "motivated by pre-conceived agendas" and was "scientifically unsound".

A spokesman for Science denied any bias against sceptics of man-made global warming. "You will find in our letters that there is a wide range of opinion," she said. "We certainly seek to cover dissenting views."

Dr Philip Campbell, the editor-in-chief of Nature, said that the journal was always happy to publish papers that go against perceived wisdom, as long as they are of acceptable scientific quality.

"The idea that we would conspire to suppress science that undermines the idea of anthropogenic climate change is both false and utterly naive about what makes journals thrive," he said.

Dr Peiser said the stifling of dissent and preoccupation with doomsday scenarios is bringing climate research into disrepute. "There is a fear that any doubt will be used by politicians to avoid action," he said. "But if political considerations dictate what gets published, it's all over for science."
Ann as always rules all she surveys.
 
167Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 10:21
I guess CCP missed where I linked to that Coulter column in #125. Either that, or, like Ann, he just ignores the mountains of evidence that makes any defense of Tom DeLay as a moral and ethical champion laughable and goes into attack distraction mode.

Take a look at the people Ann mentions in her defense of DeLay.

Aaron Brown - irrelevant
Wolf Blitzer - irrelevant
Rosa DeLauro - irrelevant
Whitewater - irrelevant
Patricia Baig - irrelevant

Here is a list of people that Ann never mentions who are the keys to any defense of DeLay:

Jack Abramoff
Willie Tan
Mike Scanlon
Grover Norquist
Coushatta Indian tribe
Choctaw Indian Tribe
Chelsea Investments
Naftasib

If CCP(or Toral or Boldwin) are OK with Ann insulting their intelligence with this excuse of a column, then that it certainly their right. It has absolutely nothing to do with Tom DeLay or any growing laundry list of unethical conduct that continues to come to light.
 
168Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 10:51
So on one hand we have Baldwin laughably asserting that many hate Coulter because "the truth hurts" and that liberals can't counter her attacks and on the other hand we have Toral claiming that she is a world-class satirist, and thus, she isn't meant to be taken literally or seriously. Is it both? Is it neither? If her own following can't make up their minds about what exactly her purpose is, how is anyone else supposed to?

I think she serves a great purpose for liberals, actually. She helps us identify the lunatic conservatives (her fanboys) from the ones actually worth talking to.
 
169walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 11:01
Toral #152, as Tree said in #153, she has kinda said "death to liberals," and has made other quotes indicating comments like: "talking to a liberal is like talking to [fill in the most insulting comment you can think of here]. So, given that, I'd think, and maybe I'm way off base here (tongue firmly in cheek), that it'd be somewhat inconsistent to have close friends that you feel are stupid, etc.

However, I think she's at least half "shtik," so I bet she has some close liberal friends, and they laugh and laugh at her shenanigans over bottles of wine (something I am gleaning from the Time magazine article about her recently). I dunno though, just guessing.

#156. "Liberals are projecting their own meanest selves onto Ann." I don't think so, so I don't choose either of your limited options. It's difficult for a group to do "mass projection." Individuals maybe, but a group, that's a tough one to believe -- professionally speaking. Personally speaking, since I know I don't hate conservatives, I know I'm not projecting my beliefs onto Ann. Actually, her comments are so blunt and direct, to infer that some deeper psychological defense mechanism is at play with the intended recipients of her mean-spiritedness is kinda, uh-er, ridiculous.

Great point, PD, #159. Ann aint no satirist; satire involves wit, and parody, and usually is indicated by some lampooning of the topic/person. Ann basically makes outlandish direct & mean-spirited comments. I don't see any satire at all. Satire sounds a lot better than "liberal basher" of course.

- walk
 
170Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 11:07
Ann as always rules all she surveys

I suppose that statement is true if you feel the same way about Marie Antoinette. It's easy to rule all you survey when your eyesight doesn't extend beyond the fingers on your keyboard.

Baldwin gives a lengthy diatribe about global warming to distract from the Coulter column about DeLay and Bolton.
Here's the most obvious question I can ask concerning her pathetic excuse for a defense of DeLay.

Who is more relevant to the case of Tom DeLay's ethics - Jack Abramoff or Wolf Blitzer?

It would be hard to find any political columnist who is more dishonest in their approach.
 
171Baldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 11:42
#164 According to AC, global warming is a theory. - SITS

#170 Baldwin gives a lengthy diatribe about global warming to distract from... - PV

Distract nothing, I was directly refuting #164. And I don't know how you can call #167 a diatribe.

I don't understand what school of debate you Ann-haters come from but just sticking a 'liar' label on someone is not debate. And it certainly doesn't move you one nanometer closer to proving her wrong.
 
172Perm Dude
      ID: 17321143
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 11:45
Are you saying she's always right? There are scores of websites which disprove Ann point by point.

When you repeatedly reprint and speak provable untruths, then you are a liar. Plain and simple.

[She's also a hypocrite but that's more of a political distinction.]
 
173Tree
      ID: 9362211
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 11:46
There's no such thing as a good conservative. People who voted for Bush hate America. I wish death upon the editors of National Review.

Sincerely,
The Next Great Political Satirist

P.S. Laura Bush is a heifer.


you forgot the part where you say "if only those planes had struck the white house on 9/11, we wouldn't be in this mess..."
 
174Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 12:03
Can you imagine if Maureen Dowd did a column defending the ethics of Hillary Clinton without mention of David Rosen?
Conservative pundits would be ridiculing Dowd from one end of the Beltway to the other, and rightfully so.
Yet, when Coulter writes a column about DeLay's ethics with nary a mention of Jack Abramoff, we get these comments:

CCP - This column really scratched my itch

Toral -Ann is a great political satirist in the tradition of Twain, Mencken, Will Rogers, etc.

Baldwin -Ann as always rules all she surveys

Doesn't take much to impress you guys, does it?
 
175Perm Dude
      ID: 17321143
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 12:17
The real question, in my mind, is "what, exactly, does she survey?"
 
176Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 12:17
And it certainly doesn't move you one nanometer closer to proving her wrong.

From CCP's post(actually my original link)

Close your eyes and even now you can hear Aaron Brown saying: "Embattled Rep. Tom DeLay came under fire again today when it was disclosed that his Permanent Record showed he refused to take a nap once while in kindergarten. We turn now live to Wolf Blitzer with former kindergarten teacher Louise Millicuddy in Livingston, Texas. Wolf, could this bombshell spell the end for the combative Tom DeLay?"

This is the level of idiocy that that scratches CCP's itch. This is the level of maturity that Toral compares to Mark Twain and Will Rogers. This is the grandiose vision that Baldwin thinks rules all she surveys.

What a colossal waste of time.
 
177Baldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 12:44
Those are exactly the tactics with which liberal media bias is accomplished.

They have all these catch phrases to paint their conservative targets with and to keep the media firestorm burning despite having nothing new of substance to report.

That was a wonderfully illuminating piece. You just don't like to have a spotlight on liberal media bias.
 
178Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 13:14
Illuminating on what exactly?
 
179Toral
      ID: 53422511
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 13:31
Walk 169 maybe I'm way off base here (tongue firmly in cheek), that it'd be somewhat inconsistent to have close friends that you feel are stupid, etc.

We're just not on the same wavelength here, walk. I see nothing unusual about having friends whose political philosophies one believes to be (to use your term) stupid. Heck many of my friends have political/social philosophies I consider to be not only stupid, but actively dangerous to society if they were implemented. Never occurred to me that that prevented us from being friends.

Toral
 
180Toral
      ID: 53422511
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 13:34
razor 168 on the other hand we have Toral claiming that she is a world-class satirist, and thus, she isn't meant to be taken literally or seriously

Where in the world did you get the idea that satire or satirists aren't 'meant to be taken seriously"? Political satire is deadly serious. Before the days of free speech, English governments used to fear and hate satire more than vociderous direct opposition.

Toral
 
181Baldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 13:41
That was a wonderfully illuminating piece. You just don't like to have a spotlight on liberal media bias. - Boldwin

Illuminating on what exactly? - Razor

Apply yourself. This isn't rocket science. The 'spotlight on liberal bias' phrase was too esoteric for you?
 
182Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 13:58
You just don't like to have a spotlight on liberal media bias.

You must be too busy arguing in other threads to take this one seriously.

She made up the up the paragraph I linked to in #176!!

What I like is some kind of reasoned attempt, at least, to address the subject that she chose for this particular column. Her second sentence is:

But we're not getting much in the way of details — which is odd because the devil is usually found in the details.

Cool, Ann, let's look at some details. She continues:

We keep hearing Tom DeLay's name uttered in angry, accusatory tones, but I still don't know what law he's supposed to have broken. As far as I can tell, DeLay didn't even cheat at golf during that trip to Scotland.

Now, are we supposed to believe that Ann missed the story about DeLay's trip being paid for on Jack Abramoff's American Express card. Here it is, Ann, from the 4/24 Washington Post;

The airfare to London and Scotland in 2000 for then-House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) was charged to an American Express card issued to Jack Abramoff, a Washington lobbyist at the center of a federal criminal and tax probe, according to two sources who know Abramoff's credit card account number and to a copy of a travel invoice displaying that number.

DeLay's expenses during the same trip for food, phone calls and other items at a golf course hotel in Scotland were billed to a different credit card also used on the trip by a second registered Washington lobbyist, Edwin A. Buckham, according to receipts documenting that portion of the trip.

House ethics rules bar lawmakers from accepting travel and related expenses from registered lobbyists.


Or, are we to believe she's too busy watching CNN so she can concoct illuminating fantasies on what Aaron Brown and Wolf Blitzer didn't do.

Either way, it is impossible to take her seriously.


 
183Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 13:58
Re: 180 - Serious, as in, taken at face value.

Re: 181 - I know what you said. I just had to ask again because I was so incredulous. You call that a "wonderfully illuminating piece" on liberal media bias? There's a few brief mentions of the media in there, but the piece is most certainly not about liberal media bias. Or do you just stand up at your computer and applaud anytime you see someone mention the NY Times in a negative light?
 
184Baldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 14:12
It's a witchhunt and the media is as much a motive force as the Dems. Reread #161, because I just don't see how you can say what you are saying, Razor.
 
185Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 14:26
Baldwin - It's a witch-hunt

Coulter - We're not getting much in the way of details

This level of denial is unprecedented even for Baldwin and Ann. Maybe not unprecedented, I suppose Hillary's claim that the mountains of evidence against her and Bill was just "a vast right-wing conspiracy" is in the same range.
 
186Tree
      ID: 9362211
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 14:34
It's a witchhunt

no, it's a b!tch hunt, and the shoe fits.

i'm sure jesus would love Ann, Baldy, you big ol' cuddly hypocrite.
 
187Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 14:45
Two more of the greatest satirists of our generation
 
188Toral
      ID: 53422511
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 15:03
"It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native criminal class except Congress," Twain said again and again in the many lectures he gave to American and foreign audiences from the time he went on the lecture circuit regularly in the 1860s until his death in 1910. "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself," he would say, to guffaws and applause. It was his favorite way of starting a lecture.

Substitute "Coulter" for "Twain" and the liberals in this thread would be saying:

"What a fool, liar, and hater. Coulter makes no arguments here except ad hominem attacks. She cites not even one example of a Congressmen committing a crime in support of her vicious diatribe. She paints all Congressmen with the same hateful brush without producing a single piece of evidence against any of them. Attacking people as idiots seems to be the highest intellectual level she can aspire to. Clearly she has adopted this hateful schtick as a way to make money by appealing to the most vicious and depraved among us on the lecture circuit. If there is anything more despicable than this gutter hater it is the deranged hatemongers who claim to find this filth amusing or even insightful."

 
189biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 15:09
No. Twain was funny. An essential element of satire is humour.

Coulter is mean and unbalanced.

I don't recall Twain suggesting blowing up Congress, and then waiting for the laugh.
 
190Baldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 15:13
It is clear to me how strongly you liberals feel about making hateful statements. You sure do a lot of it.
 
191Perm Dude
      ID: 17321143
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 15:19
Twain, of course, didn't blindly attack one party and blindly support another. He attacked government in general. With humor.

What's Coulter's humor? "Wow, she sure dehumanized that traitor liberal!"
 
192sarge33rd
      ID: 2442512
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 15:19
thus, one would conclude that AC is a liberal, since she makes alot of hateful statements.
 
193Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 15:19
The problem with your theory, Toral, is that Coulter always engages people in speeches on television with the same vitriol and ammo she uses in her "satire." She seems convinced that she's using indisputable facts.
 
194Toral
      ID: 53422511
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 15:24
There may be particular remarks where the humour is too black for your tastes, or the humour misses the mark. But Ann is one of the funniest writers around.

I hope that I never reach that ultimate stage of partisanship you folks have attained where I can't even recognize or acknowledge the objective merits of an adversary.

Toral
 
195Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 15:27
One last entry about the Coulter column in question concerning this statement:

Democrats are enflamed at the idea of Bolton mistreating representatives of slave-traders and dictators

I wonder if Ann is referring to target="_blank">Teodoro Obiang and Augusto Pinochet?

Riggs Bank yesterday admitted it was criminally liable for failing to take adequate measures to prevent potential money laundering by former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet and officials of Equatorial Guinea.

Riggs pleaded guilty to one felony count of failing to file suspicious activity reports and agreed to a fine of $16 million. The fine, if approved by U.S. District Judge Ricardo M. Urbina on March 29, will bring to $41 million the total civil and criminal penalties paid by the 160-year-old bank to resolve anti-money-laundering deficiencies in its former embassy and international operations.


Maybe Ann was confused, since

the president's uncle, Jonathon Bush, is a top executive at Riggs Bank.

Riggs has always had useful political connections from its inception. In recent years Riggs bank has invested a great deal in solidifying its relationship with President Quick Facts about: George W. Bush
43rd President of the United States; son of George Herbert Walker Bush (born in 1946)George W. Bush. In 2000, Quick Facts about: Jonathan Bush
Quick Summary not found for this subjectJonathan Bush, President Bush's uncle, was appointed CEO of Riggs Bank's investment arm. The Allbritton family, which controlled the bank for decades, has made itself extremely well-connected to the Bush family.(*) During Bush's inauguration parade, he waved to Mr. Albritton and yelled "Hey, Joe, how are you?" Mr. Albritton has raised money for Bush's campaign and donated the portrait of Quick Facts about: Ronald Reagan
40th President of the United States (1911-)Ronald Reagan that hangs in the White House.(*)


Now what was that about Democrats being enflamed about Bolton mistreating representatives of slave-traders and dictator, Ann? Looks like the Reublicans have been treating them just fine - uintil they got caught.
 
196sarge33rd
      ID: 2442512
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 15:28
But Ann is one of the funniest writers around.


might I then suggest the comedy of one Charles Manson? If you think AC is funny, you'll truly LOVE Mansons "sense of humor".
 
197Perm Dude
      ID: 17321143
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 15:32
I agree with Toral that she is funny. (I'm not kidding). Seeing a grown woman spit out such venom as such a caricature is funny to see, like an old comedy show where you know how the character will react to a particular scene.

The problem, of course, is that Ann Coulter doesn't believe she's being funny, or putting out satire. She believes she speaks the truth.

Now, the joke's on her, of course, which is why it's funny. But it's not funny because Ann Coulter intended it to be.
 
198Tree
      ID: 9362211
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 15:38
There may be particular remarks where the humour is too black for your tastes, or the humour misses the mark. But Ann is one of the funniest writers around.

funny, the same people demonize wade churchill and maggie gallydhahallhoweveryouspellherlastnameshewashotinsecretary, yet praise Coulter for believing liberals should be killed.

she has said that McVeigh should have blown up the NY Times building, she has said we should kill the leaders of other countries and force their people to convert the Christianity, she has called liberals traitors and called for their executions, she has praised the leaders of Enron, and she has apartments in such Godless, liberal cities as Aspen, Vail, LA, Washington, and gasp, New York.

she has said we should rape the earth, and that we should consume as much as possible so we don't have to live "like the Indians."

to have black humour, you need humour. of which she has none.

The film "Heathers" was black humour. "Brazil" was black humour. Ann Coulter couldn't touch the worst parts of those black humour masterpieces on her best days.

ann coulter is funny in the same way Tom Green is funny. it's utter nonsense, not terribly intelligent, and it's pure gross out humour pandering to the lowest common denominator.

to try and put it on some sort pedestal that praises is not just showing a lack of knowledge in humour of any sorts, it's showing pure, unadulterated, ignorance.
 
199Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 15:43
I hope that I never reach that ultimate stage of partisanship you folks have attained

Looks like I was right in post #168 - you are an aspiring satirist.
 
200walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 16:39
Toral 179, I see nothing unusual about having friends whose political philosophies one believes to be (to use your term) stupid.

Yes we are on different wavelengths, and the stupid word aint mine, it's her's (and yet you imply that your wavelength is somehow superior...don't think I forgot about your NYC crack a month or so ago!):

Ann does not say that liberals have stupid ideas, she says they are "stupid people." That's different.

It would be difficult, IMO, to be friends with folks you think are plain stupid. There's a common sense quotient here, and it's high. Anything else is some other "defense mechanism."

- walk
 
201walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 16:46
Heathers, that was a very good movie, Tree. Seen it many times.

Yeah, I don't get this coulter defense thing, but I know something's up when she's on Bill Mahr's show a lot, and he says "we're good friends." Mahr is very funny, IMO, and while leaning left, is pretty brutal to anyone on either side that says or does something that is in his eyes "wrong." I tend to agree with him most of the time. And laugh very, very hard.

If those two are friends, and I don't think he'd say it over and over if they were not, I do think she's not as gung-ho as she portrays herself to be. I think, in the grand scheme, she's a new-age shock-jock(ette). And laughing it all the way to the bank.

- walk
 
202Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 17:05
Shock jock is the most plausible explanation with Twain-caliber satirist and spot on political pundit about a billion places behind.
 
203bibA
      Sustainer
      ID: 261028117
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 17:19
Well, now that we know she is merely a political comedienne and satirist, I will look forward to Fox accurately introducing her as such. Guess I wasn't paying attention when I thought it appeared Shawn Hannity seemed to be taking her seriously on every occasion she has been a guest on his show.
 
204walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 17:24
Good point bibA...it's a very transparent scam, IMO. She's having fun galvanizing her constituents. I think she is a conservative thinker, who is instead of being billed as a satirist or commedienne, cos she would not be rated a very good one, is instead, effectively doing a "both/and" of being a brutal antagonist while being presented as a credible analyst. It's quite shrewd.

- walk
 
205Baldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 19:55
It is becoming clear to me what is going on. Liberal political beliefs are mostly emotion driven to begin with and Ann just drives them into an unthinking frenzy of emotion that freezes their minds. Cognitive dissonance x emotions x denial x no coherent beliefs in the first place x reality ripping the hell out of their theories.

You could almost feel sorry for the miserable whipped puppies.
 
206Tree
      ID: 28430321
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 20:33
as i already pointed out Baldwin, it is you who is the latent sub, and Ann is your Misstress Persephone.
 
207Razor
      ID: 48444718
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 21:00
Baldwin, I don't have the faintest idea where you get this notion that Coulter rips our theories apart and leaves us in tears, but it shows how out of touch you are with the other side. We find Coulter highly annoying because she is highly annoying. No psychoanalysis beyond that is needed. It's not because she's destroyed our inner liberal or any such nonsense. When a smart, well-written conservative piece catches us off guard, I doubt you'd see the reaction to it that you see in this thread. Believe it or not, liberals are not stupid to the point of needing the other side to identify how, when and why we are wholly beaten or childish enough to lash out wildly and irrationally when we are. So please, stop insulting our intelligence.
 
208Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 22:23
Ann just drives them into an unthinking frenzy of emotion that freezes their minds

Unthinking? I practically broke down every sentence in her latest column showing the intellectual dishonesty of it. It has been you who has responded with no substance other than emotional denials that "she rules," "it's a witchhunt," "liberal media bias," "a wonderfully illuminating piece," "liberal political beliefs are mostly emotion."



The title of her latest column is,
The Devil Is Out of Details


I still don't know what law he's supposed to have broken

That's her entire defense of allegations against DeLay. No specifics. No details. No Abramoff. No nothing. This is wonderfully illuminating? Is she trying to shed any semblance of intelligence so as to broaden her audience with a bubble-headed beach blonde approach?

I have linked to conservative columns by Bob Novak, Rich Lowry, Pat Buchanan and Charles Krauthammer to name a few. I would have no problem linking to an Ann Coulter column if she ever writes one that doesn't insult my intelligence.



 
209bibA
      Sustainer
      ID: 261028117
      Wed, May 11, 2005, 23:20
Maybe you guys are taking Baldwin too serious. Have you considered that he may be a comedian or satirist?

Surely he realizes that so much of what he avers is so over the top that it is meant to be nothing more than humerous.
 
210Baldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Thu, May 12, 2005, 01:16
I still don't know what law he's supposed to have broken

That's her entire defense of allegations against DeLay. No specifics. No details
- PV

Not her fault if there aren't any.

Besides that's your job to build a case against him if it can be done. When/if you actually ever have a legitimate framework of charges that she can wail on I am sure she will.
 
211Perm Dude
      ID: 17321143
      Thu, May 12, 2005, 01:47
Because she wails on legitimate charges as well as illegitimate ones if they are leveled against a Republican.
 
212Baldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Thu, May 12, 2005, 09:13
Now if it were Hillary with ethics charges how would the media handle it?
DNC Poll: Clinton Fundraiser Trial a 'Yawner'
by Scott Ott

(2005-05-12) -- According to a new poll by the Democrat National Committee (DNC), the trial of Sen. Hillary Clinton's former campaign finance director, David Rosen, is "insignificant and uninteresting to 97 percent of all Americans."

The DNC-New York Times survey consisted of one question with two possible answers. The poll showed that among the two percent of Americans who had seen news coverage of the case, 97 percent chose: "It's a yawner -- nothing to see here folks."

The other three percent selected the alternative choice: "I'm a rabid right-winger so blinded by my hatred of the Clintons that I can't reasonably answer the question."

"It's just not newsworthy," the unnamed pollster said. "It's nothing but a former First Lady who won a Senate seat with the help of a fundraising team which misstated expenses by more than 100 percent in order to dodge campaign finance laws, and worked with a former convict to produce a lavish star-studded Hollywood gala in tribute to President Bill Clinton as a way of getting the former president to support an internet venture started by the creator of Spider-Man. See, I almost dozed off while describing it to you. No wonder it fails to capture the attention of Mr. and Mrs. America."

Indeed, a hypothetical movie script based on that scenario wouldn't "make it off the pile," according to producer/director Rob Reiner, who appeared on the program of the gala event.

"To capture the public's interest," said Mr. Reiner, "you need intrigue, risk, betrayal, suspense, high stakes, high-powered characters and celebrities. But we all know that Hillary Clinton -- our nation's next president -- was not involved in any way, shape, form or fashion. So, it's just an ordinary tale of a clumsy associate who made an honest mistake. It's kind of like [Clinton administration National Security Adviser] Sandy Berger accidentally taking classified documents from the National Archives. Oops. Yawn. Now, let's move on."

The fact that Sen. Ted Kennedy's brother-in-law helped the prosecution as an FBI informant "simply adds to the tedium of this whole boring affair," Mr. Reiner said.

A spokesman for Sen. Clinton, D-NY, said, "It's time to heal the nation's wounds and move on to the people's business of enacting our visionary Democrat plans for Social Security and foreign policy. And the Senator is still not even starting to think about whom she'll appoint to key cabinet posts."

 
214Razor
      ID: 36241218
      Thu, May 12, 2005, 09:27
As always, Baldwin somehow manages to steer the thread and our attention back to where it should be: the biased left wing media and the Clintons. Thanks for the wonderfully illuminating post on Ann Coulter and/or Tom DeLay.
 
215sarge33rd
      ID: 514141116
      Thu, May 12, 2005, 09:35
Boldy...get a friggin life. (or at least a clue) You've been hounding the Clinton name since 1992 or thereabouts. Arent you getting tired of beating your head against the wall yet? I'd really think that after 13 years of it, you'd either be wore out, or have given yourself a severe case of mental disturbance. (Wait...maybe THAT is the answer. You've done gone and beaten yourself silly.)
 
216Pancho Villa
      Sustainer
      ID: 533817
      Thu, May 12, 2005, 10:14
#212
Thanks for proving the point I made in #174 when I alluded to the Rosen trial.

Can you imagine if Maureen Dowd did a column defending the ethics of Hillary Clinton without mention of David Rosen?

Your bit(from Scrappleface, even though you didn't give credit) mentions David Rosen in the opening sentence. Now, how many times did Coulter mention Jack Abramoff in her bit? Zero. All you've proved is that Scrappleface is more relevant(and illuminating) than Ann Coulter.
 
217Baldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Thu, May 12, 2005, 10:40
You've been hounding the Clinton name since 1992 or thereabouts. Arent you getting tired...

Might as well get started on President Hillary early.

Relentless isn't in my e-mail address for nothing.
 
218angryCHAIR
      Donor
      ID: 98192416
      Thu, May 12, 2005, 10:43
Tree: The first pic is just an X on my screen...Can you
reload it. Thanks, aC
 
219Tree
      ID: 9362211
      Thu, May 12, 2005, 10:49
CHAIR - that photo was originally posted over a year and a half ago. it's probably not up on Yahoo's servers anymore, and i don't even remember what it was of, to be honest.
 
220Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Wed, May 25, 2005, 00:30
Perhaps if you stopped beating your head against the wall...

 
221Tree
      ID: 54549519
      Mon, Jun 06, 2005, 07:19
 
222Cosmo's Cod Piece
      ID: 11314719
      Mon, Jun 06, 2005, 08:58
SEVEN 'EXTRAORDINARY' IDIOTS
June 1, 2005
by Ann Coulter


Let's not put the seven Republican senators who engineered the "compromise" deal with the Democrats in charge of negotiations with North Korea. I would sooner trust the North Koreans to keep their word than the Democrats.

The North Koreans at least waited for the ink to dry on Clinton's 1996 "peace" deal before they set to work violating it by feverishly building nuclear weapons. After hoodwinking seven Republicans into a "compromise" deal, Senate Democrats waited exactly seven seconds before breaking it.

The deal was this: Senate Republicans would not use their majority status to win confirmation votes. In return, the Democrats promised to stop blocking nominees supported by a majority of senators — except in "extraordinary circumstances." Thus, a minority of senators in the party Americans keep trying to throw out of power will now be choosing federal judges with the advice and consent of the president.

The seven Republicans we're not leaving in charge of the national treasury believed they could trust the Democrats to interpret "extraordinary circumstances" fairly. And why not? It's not as if the Democrats have behaved outrageously for the past four years using their minority status to block Bush's nominees. Oh wait — no, I have that wrong. The Democrats have behaved outrageously for the past four years using their minority status to block Bush's nominees.

Hmmm. Well, at least the Democrats didn't wait until Trent Lott foolishly granted them an equal number of committee chairmanships following the 2000 election to seize illegitimate control of the Senate by getting future Trivial Pursuit answer Jim Jeffords to change parties after being elected as a Republican. Oops, no — they did that, too.

The seven Republican "mavericks," as The New York Times is wont to call them, had just signed off on this brilliant compromise when the Democrats turned around and filibustered John Bolton, Bush's nominee to be ambassador to the United Nations.

At least it wasn't an important job. But even so, didn't we win the last election? Why, yes, we did! And didn't we win a majority in the Senate? Yes, we did! To be precise, Republicans have won a majority of Senate seats the past six consecutive elections. (And the last six consecutive elections in the House of Representatives, too!)

I think that means Republicans should win. Republican senators support Bush's nominees and Democratic senators oppose them. The way disagreements like this are ordinarily sorted out in a democracy is that a vote is taken among our elected representatives, and majority vote wins.

But sometime after 1993 — which, by eerie coincidence, was the last time Democrats had a majority in the Senate — a new rule developed, requiring that the minority party win all contested votes. The Democrats — the same people the seven mavericks are relying on to play fair now — began using procedural roadblocks to prevent the majority vote from prevailing by simply preventing votes from taking place at all. Senate Democrats do this by voting not to vote, whereas Texas Democrats do it by boarding a Greyhound bus bound for Oklahoma.

Democrats tried "Count All the Votes (Until I Win)" — Al Gore, 2000. They tried "Vote or Die!" — P. Diddy, 2004. Those failed, so now the Democrats' motto is: "No Voting!"

The Senate majority leader, Bill Frist, thought the party with the most votes should be able to win. (Boy — talk about out of touch! And this guy wants to be president?)

The seven "maverick" Republicans thought a better idea would be to crawl to the minority party and plead for crumbs. If the "maverick" Republicans had a slogan, it would be: "Always surrender from a position of strength."

The deal they struck, this masterful Peace of Westphalia, simply put into writing the rule that the minority party controls the Senate — which will remain the rule until the Democrats aren't the minority party anymore.

No wonder Democrats were so testy about bringing democracy to Iraq: They can't bear democracy in America. Liberals' beef with Iraq's new government was that the Sunnis — the minority sect whose reign of terror controlled Iraq for almost 30 years — wouldn't be adequately represented. Obviously, this did not bode well for the Democrats — a minority party whose reign of terror controlled the U.S. House for over 40 years.

The only way for Americans to get some vague semblance of what they voted for is to elect mammoth Republican majorities — and no "mavericks." (Fortunately, for the sake of civilization and the republic, that process seems to be well under way.)

Chuck Schumer could be the last Democrat in the Senate and the new rule would be: Unanimous votes required for all Senate business. But at least we could count on Senators Lindsey Graham, Mike DeWine, John McCain, John Warner, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins and Lincoln Chafee to strike a deal forcing Schumer to agree not to block the 99 other senators except in "extraordinary circumstances."
 
223Perm Dude
      ID: 165939
      Mon, Jun 06, 2005, 09:17
Coulter wrote that column in about 7 seconds, it seems.

Hello, Ann? Anyone in there?
 
224Tree
      ID: 9362211
      Mon, Jun 06, 2005, 11:49
Ann Coulter - the Paris Hilton of politics, only considerably less attractive then the overrated Hilton.
 
225sarge33rd
      ID: 344362512
      Mon, Jun 06, 2005, 13:06
The Democrats have behaved outrageously for the past four years using their minority status to block Bush's nominees.

LIE.

200 of 209 nominees breezed through the process. Thats outrageously blocking???????


I quit reading the drivel after that point. If she cant go 4 paragraphs without fabricating material, why on earth woulkd I feel compelled to read another 12 or so paragraphs?????
 
226Rev @ folks
      ID: 50926417
      Mon, Jun 06, 2005, 15:47
Sarge, as pointed out in another thread there is a difference between % of Bush's District Court nominees approved, and the % of his Court of Appeals apporved. Her audience-Republicans- would understand this distinction. Thus I would say she is not "fabricating material", but that your mixing apple and oranges-the two different court levels.



 
227Stuck in the 60s
      Dude
      ID: 274132811
      Fri, Jun 10, 2005, 20:44
Actually, Coulter has had the same impact on political discourse that Paris Hilton did on American cinema.

Don
 
228Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Fri, Jun 10, 2005, 20:47
What would you know about her impact on Republicans? I can tell you the liberals on Salon Table Talk fear her and freerepublic.com more than any other political commentators which tells me they are getting a LOT done.
 
229Toral
      ID: 53422511
      Fri, Jun 10, 2005, 21:00
I agree. She has had an immensely positive impact on conservative discourse, because of her unique combination of intelligence, courage, wit, and a deep knowledge of liberalism, liberals and what they are like.

Toral
 
230Perm Dude
      ID: 165939
      Fri, Jun 10, 2005, 21:12
I wonder if you would even recognize the signs of political fear, Baldwin.
 
231sarge33rd
      ID: 544411918
      Fri, Jun 10, 2005, 21:18
what are we like Toral?

Lets see...

we favor a state where nobody faces starvation,
we favor a state where nobody faces health cost induced bankruptcy,
we favor a state where nobody faces a lack of education due to limited financial resources,
we favor a state where nobody is the target of discrimination,
we favor a state that embraces the Constitution,
we favor a state that embraces the Bill of Rights,
we favor a state where nobody faces undue prosecution because they cant afford a good atty,
we favor a state with limited authority over the individual,
we favor a state which promotes the arts and sciences,
we favor a state that cleans it own backyard before attacking the guy down the street for not cleaning his.
we favor a state that promotes the ecology so our offspring can enjoy this planet,
we favor a state that puts man before the almighty dollar bill.


Now, just what in that list, do you find offensive?
 
232Toral
      ID: 53422511
      Fri, Jun 10, 2005, 21:44
I mean what they are like, sarge, on the ground, in reality, not their professed beliefs. The amazing arrogance, the total disregard for truth, the pure bile and meanness, the utter stupidity, the total contempt for ordinary people, the moral relativism, the moral blindness, the contempt for and/or hatred of religion, the willingness to abuse power whenever they have it, the airs of moral superiority. You know, stuff like that.

Toral
 
233Tree
      ID: 17531718
      Fri, Jun 10, 2005, 21:49
The amazing arrogance, the total disregard for truth, the pure bile and meanness, the utter stupidity, the total contempt for ordinary people, the moral relativism, the moral blindness, the contempt for and/or hatred of religion, the willingness to abuse power whenever they have it, the airs of moral superiority. You know, stuff like that.

about time you started seeing Conservatives for what they were, Toral.
 
234Cosmo's Cod Piece
      ID: 11314719
      Fri, Jun 10, 2005, 21:50
Sarge: "we favor a state where nobody faces starvation"

Unless of course if that person is a bed ridden cripple, then you people want them put to death in a manner worse than we treat serial killers, and even better, let the ex-husband decide if the "bitch" (to use the liberal vernacular term by one of this board's members) lives or dies.

 
235Perm Dude
      ID: 165939
      Fri, Jun 10, 2005, 23:02
Wow, CCP canibalizing words like a "found poet" to make up arguments no one is making. Did her husband call her a "bitch?"

Terri, of course, suffered from a huge self-image problem and told her husband she didn't want to live as her family was making her.
 
236Tree
      ID: 17531718
      Fri, Jun 10, 2005, 23:09
Unless of course if that person is a bed ridden cripple, then you people want them put to death in a manner worse than we treat serial killers, and even better, let the ex-husband decide if the "bitch" (to use the liberal vernacular term by one of this board's members) lives or dies.

if we allowed assisted suicide, then this wouldn't be an issue.

but i don't think anyone here wanted her put to death. show me where someone on these boards said that.
 
237Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Sat, Jun 11, 2005, 02:24
we favor a state where nobody faces starvation,

You favor gruesome euthanasia

we favor a state where nobody faces health cost induced bankruptcy,

You favor trial lawyers who have destroyed affordable healthcare

we favor a state where nobody faces a lack of education due to limited financial resources,

You favor political indoctrination instead of education, thot police, speech codes on campus,
post-modernism instead of truth, deconstruction of received wisdom, dumbed down students…

we favor a state where nobody is the target of discrimination,

I expect you and Tree are ready to start burning down churches any day now

we favor a state that embraces the Constitution,

Which would explain your judicial activist judges inventing extra constitutional principles, using international law for inspiration, and legislating from the bench

we favor a state that embraces the Bill of Rights,

Which would explain the speech codes and gun grabbing

we favor a state where nobody faces undue prosecution because they cant afford a good atty,

Like anyone doesn’t?

we favor a state with limited authority over the individual,

Perhaps the biggest lie you have ever told. When you finally get the tax rate to 100% perhaps we’ll finally be free, huh?

we favor a state which promotes the arts and sciences,

Social agenda driven faux science, Maplethorpe, Serrano, nude performing 1001 acts with elephant dung, art no one in their right mind would spend their own money on, aggressive in your face insults directed at the audience

we favor a state that cleans it own backyard before attacking the guy down the street for not cleaning his.

Translation: whatever evil you point out in the world from Stalin to Saddam to Idi Amin to OBL to Pol Pot to Hitler to the Sudan, we’ll just make strained accusations at the USA of doing the same things

we favor a state that promotes the ecology so our offspring can enjoy this planet,

Tell it to the people with the ‘save the planet, commit suicide’ bumper stickers. You are for USING ecology as a platform for making socialist attacks, sabotage, illegal takings of property. You’ve driven out the sane people from the movement.

we favor a state that puts man before the almighty dollar bill.

Tell it to Leslie Burke

Also here.

Sarge’s scary taste for taking human life explained here.
 
238Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Sat, Jun 11, 2005, 07:29
Have another celebration cookie, Tree.
 
239Tree
      ID: 17531718
      Sat, Jun 11, 2005, 08:07
baldwin, the only celebration cookie i'll have is one in honor of you continuing to bury yourself under a mountain of lies you spread about other people.
 
240Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Sat, Jun 11, 2005, 08:17
But it was 'eat cookies till you burst', as they were dehydrating Terri to death. I was fasting and you were celebrating. You've been running a phony diversionary campaign accusing me of Matthew Shepherd's murder to distract from your shameful conduct in those 'Rise of Euthansia' threads but we all read your posts celebrating the dehydration death of Terri Schiavo even if you were to delete them.
 
241Tree
      ID: 17531718
      Sat, Jun 11, 2005, 09:28
Baldwin - i do hold you responsible for Matthew shepherd's murder - you're much more responsible for it than anyone here is for the sad death of Terri Schiavo.

you espouse your disdain for homosexuals, and some people take that ball and run with it, to the point of murder.

show me where i celebrated her death. show me one post where i said "hooray! terri is dead!"

and do it without taking things out of context. you can't, because i did not celebrate her death.

no one here celebrated that terri schiavo was dying, nor has anyone here said we should kill all those who are in terrible situations like she was - RATHER, WE SAID THAT SHE MADE A DECISION THAT SHE DIDN'T WANT TO LIVE THAT WAY, AND THAT DECISION SHOULD BE RESPECTED.
 
242sarge33rd
      ID: 544411918
      Sat, Jun 11, 2005, 09:31
so many inaccuracies Boldwin/Toral, so little time. I'll be back Sunday night to address your right-wing arrogance.
 
243soxzeitgeist
      ID: 2358129
      Sun, Jun 12, 2005, 10:33
Why bother, sarge?

While toral seems to have toned his act down a bit, anyone who sees Ann Coulter as having a "positive impact on conservative discourse because of her unique combination of intelligence, courage, [and] wit" is clearly beyond reasoning with. I'm quite sure that if you substituted Moore, Chomsky, or Krugman (who, IMO should all be read with a grain of salt, as they are all probably as far left leaning as AC is inclined right) for Coulter, there would be no end to the criticism and brow beating from our Canadian friend. But he fails to apply the same standards to her writing or to look behind the curtain where she's concerned.

And baldwin is a completely different breed of cat. If you say "the grass is green and the sky is blue", he'll argue with you and twist your statement into an inditement of god's creation of the earth while pandering to eco-terrorists and keeping bread out of the mouths of loggers and miners while choking the life from Teri Schiavo.
 
244sarge33rd
      ID: 544411918
      Sun, Jun 12, 2005, 22:17
re 232

I mean what they are like, sarge, on the ground, in reality, not their professed beliefs. The amazing arrogance, the total disregard for truth, the pure bile and meanness, the utter stupidity, the total contempt for ordinary people, the moral relativism,, the contempt for and/or hatred of religion, the willingness to abuse power whenever they have it, the airs of moral superiority. You know, stuff like that.

Lets address your "points" Toral, one by one, shall we?

The amazing arrogance, the total disregard for truth,

What could be more arrogant or more disavowing of "the truth", then when Sen Kerry stated during the debates, that Pres Bush had said re OBL, "I dont know where he is and frankly, I dont much care where he is." To which Pres Bush replied "I never said that. Thats another one of those "exagerrations"."

FACT: Pres Bush DID make the comment Sen Kerry accused him of making and it was televised.
April of 2002 IIRC. (Though I could be mistaken on when the comment was made. It may have been an April 2003 Press Conference.)

Arrogance and disregard for the truth? You mean like the SBVT multiple lines of pure, unadulterated BS which was aired repeatedly during the campaign? Or the American voters ignoring the fact the Pres Bush made those comments and then denied it? Or perhaps you refer to Baldwins consistent twisting of the words of any who oppose him into statements that those in opposition never made? (ie post 237 which I will address shortly)

the pure bile and meanness, the utter stupidity, the total contempt for ordinary people,

I'm fairly certain, you are referring to any of a plethora of AC columns here. Since when has she become a member of the left????????



the moral relativism,

News flash: Moral relativism is not an evil thing, it is reality. Differing cultures, have long held differing norms and mores. Moralsity for ea culture, is reflected within those norms and mores. The morals you refer to, are YOUR interpretation of Christian morals. They do NOT apply, to the Hindu, the Buddhist, the Taoist, the Muslim, the Shinto, the Athiest. They do NOT apply to the French, the German, the British, the Cuban, the Peruvian, the Czech, the Greek. They are a combination of religious and social structure and dogma. Since each society has its own structure, each society wil have differing norms and mores, reflective of slightly differing(although sharing many) "accepted moral" values.

BTW, exactly which morals do you think the Right has an exclusive claim upon while the Left ignores?

Murder? (A commonly misaoppled term by the Right re abortion.) Lets define murder shall we? Would we all agree, that murder is defined as or very similarly to: 1) An illegal, overt act by one or more persons, reuslting in the death, either intentional or not, of another person or persons.

A) Abortion is not murder because IT IS NOT ILLEGAL. If it were murder, then Dr's who performed the procedure, would have been charged, tried, convicted and sentenced. Pregnant women who sought the procedure, would have been chraged, tried, copnvicted and sentenced, for conspiracy to commit murder. Since none of these have come about, then the act of abortion, CANNOT be murder.

What does your morality have to say, about knowingly and deliberately, falsely accusing another of a felonious act??????


the moral blindness

Blindness????? You accuse those who are able to see their way clear to allow others to lead the lives they choose of being blind? Rather I think Toral, it is the Rigfht who is BLIND to their own arrogance in believing they have the right to dictate their chosen value system, did I say dictate? let me rephrase...LEGISLATE, upon 100% of the citizenry, without regard to individual rights, liberties and freedoms both of and FROM religion.

the contempt for and/or hatred of religion

Where have I for ex, ever stated that I hate religion???? I hate the rights effort to cram christianity down my throat. I hate the superiority with which the right tries to legislate that I and others must believe as they dictate. I fully endorse katies right to be Catholic, or Budddhist or Jewish or whatever the hell she CHOOSES. I would defend violently if necessary, your right to do the same. I would never dream of trying to legislate something that would prohibit you from practicingf your religion. I might be inclined to legislate something, that would prohibit you from REQUIRING me to practice your religion. But then, thats a far cry from hatred isnt it? Sen Kerry is a practicing Catholic. Bush hasnt attended church in......20 years? Yet you accuse Kerry of "hatred of religion" because he defied the rights desire to have religion legislated??????

the willingness to abuse power whenever they have it

lmao THIS one is too easy Toral! You mean like Pres Bush unilateral war? Or his blatantly favoring tax policies? Or the way his administration has chucked the Geneva Conventions right down the drain with last nights bath water?


the airs of moral superiority

lmao this one too, is too easy. You mean like the Rep party alledging that the Dems, are "against people of faith"?? LOL The majority of the Dem party IS people of faith. How the hell can they against themselves? What extent of arrogance does it take, to when confronted with opposition on an issue, twist it and accuse that opposition of being against the most commonly held set of beliefs within the nation???????????? What greater "air of moral superiority" can there be, than to attempt to legislate that very religious dogma? Than to try and ammend the nations constitution, so that it reflects that religious dogma? THAT sir, is the very definition of arrogant.






whew......237 will have to wait a while.
 
245Seattle Zen
      ID: 178161719
      Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 15:17
Don't bother, sarge. I once had respect for Toral and thought he was fairly level-headed (and damn funny when drunk), but I had no idea what he exactly meant when he started the Nixon was right thread. He meant it literally.
 
246myboyjack
      ID: 234581910
      Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 15:33
Sen Kerry is a practicing Catholic. Bush hasnt attended church in......20 years?


huh?
 
247sarge33rd
      ID: 344362512
      Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 15:35
heard that topic discussed over the weekend by Bush supporters MBJ. For the life of them, they cannot figure out why he hasnt attended services in recent memory. (Their statement/allegations....not mine.)
 
248myboyjack
      ID: 234581910
      Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 15:42
Well, actually it was your statement in post 244. Do you stand by it?
 
249Toral
      ID: 53422511
      Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 15:55
245 The Nixon was right thread was about Deep Throat -- Nixon was right; his guess was Felt. The rest of my posts in the thread pass on other commentary about Felt, in the "hero or villain" debate.

I was never a Nixon fan, although his detractors who vilify everything he did miss some genuine accomplishments.

Toral
 
250sarge33rd
      ID: 344362512
      Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 16:27
re 248....I've seen nothing to debunk it, nor have I seen anything to confirm it. Hence, my posting in the form of a question, not as a statement. (As an atty, I know you use the same tactic.)
 
251Toral
      ID: 53422511
      Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 16:32
Googling suggests that this is the story that may have set off "Bush no go to Church" talk. It appears, that although he attends church services, he is not a member of a congregation in Washington.

Toral
 
252Toral
      ID: 53422511
      Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 16:39
Snopes on one particular Bush church visitation.

Toral
 
253sarge33rd
      ID: 344362512
      Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 16:43
in any event, is that one line the only thing in my post you can latch onto to contest? If so, then I made my points even more clearly than I had hoped.
 
254Toral
      ID: 53422511
      Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 16:49
The pastor of St. John's Lafayette, Luis Leon, delivered the invocation at Pres. Bush's 2nd inaugural.

Toral
 
255Toral
      ID: 53422511
      Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 17:13
Sorry, my link takes you to the main church page, not the text. Anyway, here's Dr Leon's invocation:
Invocation Delivered by The Rev. Dr. Luis Leon
Rector of St. John's Church, Lafayette Square
At the 55th. Inauguration of the President of the United States
January 20, 2005


Most gracious and eternal God, we gather today as a grateful people who enjoy the many blessings you have bestowed on this nation.

We are grateful for your vision, which inspired the founders of our nation to create this democratic experiment-one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. We are grateful that you have brought to these shores a multitude of peoples of many ethnic, religious and language backgrounds and have fashioned one nation out of our many traditions.

We remember before you the members of the armed forces. We commend them to your care. Give them courage to carry out their duties and courage to face the perils which beset them and grant them a sense of your presence in all that they do. (From the Book of Common Prayer) We pray for their families. Support them and hold them in the palm of your hand while their loved ones are absent from them.

Today, we are especially grateful for this inauguration marking a new beginning in our journey as a people and a nation. We pray that you will shower the elected leaders of this land and especially George, our President, and Richard, our Vice President, with your life-giving spirit. Fill them with a love of truth and righteousness that they may serve you and this nation ably and are glad to do your will. Endow their hearts with your spirit of wisdom that they may lead us in renewing the "ties of mutual respect which form our civic life." (from the Book of Common Prayer)

Sustain them as they lead us to exercise our privileges and responsibilities as citizens and residents of this country that we may all work together to eliminate poverty and prejudice so "that peace may prevail with righteousness and justice with order." (from the Book of Common Prayer)

Strengthen their resolve as our nation seeks to serve you in this world that this good and generous country may be a blessing to the nations of the world. May they lead us to become, in the words of Martin Luther King, members of a beloved community, loving our neighbors as ourselves so that all of us may more closely come to fulfill the promise of our founding fathers-one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

All this we ask in your most holy name. Amen.

(Many of these words and themes are taken from the Book of Common Prayer, 1979.)


Toral


 
256sarge33rd
      ID: 344362512
      Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 17:42
see post 253
 
257Myboyjack
      ID: 121159118
      Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 18:02
in any event, is that one line the only thing in my post you can latch onto to contest? If so, then I made my points even more clearly than I had hoped.

I wasn't trying to debunk anything - I generally just skim your posts and i don't even know what your "points" were. I get hung up on stuff like facts. When "points" are made by personal anectdote and repeated gossip I can't really judge them anyway. I just thought, on this issue, that maybe you knew something about Bush's church attendence that would have been contrary to my impression. That's why I asked. I wouldn't have bothered you about it, had I known you were just repeating something "you heard". That certainly wasn't how you originally posted it.


Bush hasnt attended church in......20 years?

then

I've seen nothing to debunk it, nor have I seen anything to confirm it. Hence, my posting in the form of a question, not as a statement. (As an atty, I know you use the same tactic.)

LOL. That's a question just like "When did you stop beating your wife?' is a question.

"When did Bush last attend church?" would be a question. You made a statement/allegation conotating that Bush had not attended church in recent years. The only question you left was whether it was 18, 19, 20 years etc. Only after I asked you about it did you even admit it was something you overheard.

 
258sarge33rd
      ID: 344362512
      Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 18:09
Lol I know what kind of question it was MBJ. And the discussion I overheard, wsa started by katie asking the assembled persons in our vicintiy, their opinion re homosexual marriage and the like, referencing the poli-board on which we participate. A rather long and entertainng discussion followed. The statement re shrubs church going was made by 2 apparently staunch supporters, who proceeded to lament that the pres wasnt as visible in his church going as he was vocal in his claims. Since I saw no reason to believe 2 of the "faithful rightwing conservatives" would make up such things, I filed it under "things to insinuate" :) And that my friend, is exactly what I did.
 
259Toral
      ID: 53422511
      Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 18:17
My question, sarge is: didn't the statement "George Bush hasn't attended Church in 20 years?" touch your credulity button? I mean, isn't it so utterly implausible that you would have rejected it immediately? 20 years...that would mean that when Bush first ran for President, he hadn't attended church in 12 years. Don't you think someone would have picked up on that? He has been photographed and televised at various times going in and/or out of church. So what does he do during the 2 hours between when he is going in and going out, but is not there?

I hope you weren't as credulous in military matters when you were serving. "Hey guys, no problem. We're going in, but take your helmets off and stand up. I heard in a party the other day that Charlie left this area 6 months ago."

Toral
 
260sarge33rd
      ID: 344362512
      Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 18:26
you question my sense of credulity re shrub? A former drug addict, potentially AWOL, self-righteous, criminally negligent, self-absorbed s.o.b., card carrying 'good-ole-boy'????????? LMAO. Nope. After seeing America re-elect a war criminal, nothing re shrub could cause my sense of credulity to act up.
 
261Boldwin
      ID: 543312819
      Mon, Jun 13, 2005, 21:57
View here and Here.
 
262Perm Dude
      ID: 1553258
      Tue, Jun 06, 2006, 10:34
I have never seen people enjoying their husbands' death so much

She seems much more angry by their "infallibility" than anything else.

As I've pointed out before, the reason Ann Coulter isn't writing satire is that a pre-requisite to satirical writing is that you have to know you are writing that way:

LAUER: Do you believe everything in the book or do you put some things in there just to cater to your base?

ANN: No, of course I believe everything.
 
263Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 09:10
Cold and heartless. She accuses liberals of hating America more than Islamists. Truth it she hates regular Americans as much as any Islamist, as long as they're liberals. This is true hate.

She has no regard for the impact of her words, attacking a still open and very sore wound in the heart of this city. Unfortunately, The Daily News gives her exactly what she wants today:


I hate the that she lives here. She can't possibly be very happy. How can she even show her face on the streets? I guess when you only have to go from your penthouse to your limousine you don't.
 
264Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 09:16
"And by the way, how do we know their husbands weren't planning to divorce these harpies? Now that their shelf life is dwindling, they'd better hurry up and appear in Playboy...

 
265biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 09:29
You guys just don't get it. Swift is her muse.

If you understood high English literature you would be giving her a Pulitzer.
 
266Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 09:35
I don't know who Swift is or have much experience with 'high English literature' but I've never denied her talent.
 
267Perm Dude
      ID: 2654378
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 09:43
As I've pointed out, bili, one has to know they are writing satire to be writing it.
 
268Tree
      ID: 1411442914
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 10:07
Jonathan Swift, presumably?
 
269nerevclinic
      ID: 214292922
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 11:12


While she's finally proven she's a F$%#ing lunatic, she's also proven she's amart as a fox, all this "bad" publicity will just sell books...

A quote from Coulter;

"These women (9/11 widows) got paid. They ought to take their money and shut up about it,"

Well it's appropriate she would make this comment, she's proven she will whore herself for money, she just can't figure out why everyone else won't.


 
270Pancho Villa
      ID: 519522811
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 12:19
"These women (9/11 widows) got paid. They ought to take their money and shut up about it,"

Except, of course,

Ellen Mariani.
 
271The Treasonists
      Donor
      ID: 171572711
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 13:35
Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya.
 
272bibA
      Sustainer
      ID: 261028117
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 17:45
From an article today:

The women, who are still pushing for changes in how the government guards against future attacks, issued a joint statement after Coulter’s television appearance.
“We have been slandered. Contrary to Ms. Coulter’s statements, there was no joy in watching men that we loved burn alive. There was no happiness in telling our children that their fathers were never coming home again. We adored these men and miss them every day,” the women said.

These women sound pretty cruel and greedy. I am sure that if they had used whatever influence they may have had to endorse Bush instead of Kerry, Ann Coulter would have been just as vehement in her attacks on them. After all, she is a fair and open minded person.

 
273Boldwin
      ID: 49626249
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 20:45
Coulter is on Hannity radio and is being completely brilliant...would love to find the transcript of the first five minutes and post it...gangbusters...powerhouse.
 
274Boldwin
      ID: 49626249
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 20:49
Funniest thing I have ever heard, brilliant. On my best day I can't be half as good.
 
275Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 374522815
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 20:51
This whole episode is brilliant. Spitting anti-9/11 victim red meat venom on the Today Show, which is filmed in NYC, landing on the cover of the 2nd biggest coty paper. The hate-wing is having its day. Any surprise she launched her assault on 9/11 victims on the day of the beast?
 
276Boldwin
      ID: 49626249
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 21:26
Yeah well Cindy Sheehan or these 4 'Jersey Girls' that she is criticizing don't get to have a taller soapbox. Pretend their views are somehow more important than others if you wish. I'm not buying it.
 
277Perm Dude
      ID: 2654378
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 21:28
Coulter doesn't want them to speak at all, Baldwin. Watch out--you've just distinguished yourself from Ann!
 
278Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 374522815
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 21:34
That doctrine of infallibility bs doesn't work on me. I've never had any problem criticizing Sheehan. But I was never brilliant enough to taunt the tragic death of her son to make my point.

 
279nerevclinic
      ID: 214292922
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 22:04

Yeah well Cindy Sheehan or these 4 'Jersey Girls' that she is criticizing don't get to have a taller soapbox.

I don't know what that has to do with absurd comments like "These women (9/11 widows) got paid. They ought to take their money and shut up about it,"

It just shows what a money whore she is. She's doing all this to sell books and I don't know of anyone who thinks comments like "These women (9/11 widows) got paid. They ought to take their money and shut up about it," sound like something anyone with common decency would say, it sounds more like something trailor trash would come up with.

I hope she enjoys her money because she's lost her dignity and self respect.



 
280Boldwin
      ID: 49626249
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 23:00
I haven't read up an all the blog hysteria but from hearing her speak for herself she is just responding to the most recent leftist iteration of the Cindy Shehan phenomenon where liberals prop up some sympathetic dupe and groom them for a ride. Right now it is just these 4 'jersy girls' that she is attacking. It's not like she is attacking every widow of 9/11 as I would have thot to hear the hysteria around here.
 
281Perm Dude
      ID: 2654378
      Wed, Jun 07, 2006, 23:06
But she is attacking all 9/11 widows.

She also seems to believe that Cindy Sheehan is a 9/11 widow.

But facts mean little with Coulter. Or with you, apparently. Its all about the hysteria. From the "Left" that is. The stuff she generates is apparently OK.
 
282sarge33rd
      ID: 2511422414
      Thu, Jun 08, 2006, 00:32
"These women (9/11 widows) got paid. They ought to take their money and shut up about it,"

I'd say AC needs to take her own advice. SHE got paid too (an advance no doubt on her book sales), so I'm thinking SHE needs to take her money and "shut up about it".
 
283nerevclinic
      ID: 214292922
      Thu, Jun 08, 2006, 01:29


What does take the money and shut up mean?

Like these women who believe that the government didn't heed the warning signs pre 9/11 should shut up because they've been paid off?

Hell Baldwin, you think 9/11 might have been a conspiracy from within our own government. You certainly think the Oklahoma bombing was a conspiracy from people within the government.

Do you know what Coulter would say to you, she'd chew you up and spit you back out.

You'd be a piece of dirt to this chick.

But she's your hero.


 
284Tree
      ID: 1411442914
      Fri, Jun 09, 2006, 13:08
if you're easily offended, don't waste your time.

Hamell on Trial is a pretty damned funny guy with a fairly remarkable story that had him recover from a near-fatal auto accident.

anyway, like i said, don't bother listening to Coulter's Sn@tch, if you're easily offended, as, much like Coulter, it goes below the belt.

then again, if you claim to be easily offended, and you praise Coulter, you're a hypocrite anyway, so enjoy the song...
 
285Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Thu, Jun 22, 2006, 10:54
Hitler or Coulter?

Its not too difficult to tell the difference, I've read enough Coulter to pick out her writing style and I got 10 of 14 right. But its pretty interesting the similarities in many of the excerpts.
 
286Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Thu, Jun 22, 2006, 10:57
The 4 I got wrong were #s 3, 5, 6 and 12.
 
287bibA
      ID: 105362211
      Thu, Jun 22, 2006, 12:43
Interesting, and completely unsurprising (a word?)

Missed #s 5,7 and 8
 
288sarge33rd
      ID: 575352217
      Thu, Jun 22, 2006, 18:40
8 of 15. Odd how unfailingly similar the two are/were.
 
289Nerveclinic
      ID: 10526140
      Fri, Jun 23, 2006, 03:34


I got four wrong

7. 9. 12, 13

"Liberals always get a lot of credit for suffering, while never actually being made to suffer."

is so vague in context it was a toss up any way you look at it.

 
290Boldwin
      ID: 49626249
      Fri, Jun 23, 2006, 19:53
Nerve

She was surprisingly quiet about that angle on her website as I recall but then I don't have a feel for that site yet and how much she interacts with the forum there.
 
291Boldwin
      ID: 49626249
      Fri, Jun 23, 2006, 19:55
Nerve

Pretty sure she fits in the Reagan conservative and not the neocon big spender category. Then again she's on board the 'let's change the face of the Muslim world' campaign which is a neocon project.
 
292Nerveclinic
      ID: 10526140
      Fri, Jun 23, 2006, 22:58


And Baldwin, please be honest...

If you started to explain to her your conspiracy theories, she would insult you as much as any of the liberals you love to hear her mock.

true or false?

To her a hard core conspiracy theorist is nothing more then dirt?

So you worship someone who thinks you're dirt?

 
293sarge33rd
      ID: 575352217
      Wed, Jun 28, 2006, 12:11
ROFLMAO

Favorite (and utterly accurate) paragraph in the article:


A spokesperson for Coulter today acknowledged that her client had the power to destroy large areas of Asia, but said that she was "stoked" about the mission.

"If destroying Asia will help Ann sell more books, she's up for it," the spokesperson said.


 
294Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Jun 28, 2006, 12:14
I can't stand that guy.
 
295Perm Dude
      ID: 14515287
      Wed, Jun 28, 2006, 12:15
Borowitz? He's pretty good, I think.
 
296Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Jun 28, 2006, 12:18
He's the same guy who used to do a celebrity news segment on American Morning, right?
 
297Perm Dude
      ID: 14515287
      Wed, Jun 28, 2006, 12:24
Don't know. I only know him from his online Borowitz Report.
 
298Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Jun 28, 2006, 12:26
I'm thinking now I might be confusing him with someone who looks similar.
 
299Stuck in the 60s
      Dude
      ID: 274132811
      Wed, Jun 28, 2006, 15:24
This is too much.
Something smells fishy!!

Don
 
300sarge33rd
      ID: 575352217
      Wed, Jun 28, 2006, 15:49
too easy. cant touch it....damn softball lobs.
 
301Boldwin
      ID: 49626249
      Thu, Jun 29, 2006, 03:01
Nerve

Again she had the opportunity to stomp on the ideas you and I agree on in her very active forum. My impression is she will make a comment now and then, certainly not as much as her camp followers would like. I never got the feeling that those who feel like we do were even outnumbered let alone were we made to feel like dirt.

I believe that like Tony Snow she is aware Bush isn't her ideal conservative by a long shot but that he is so much better than the alternative...
 
302Perm Dude
      ID: 36659519
      Wed, Jul 05, 2006, 21:06
Add "plagarist" to her growing resume.
 
303Toral
      ID: 541029611
      Wed, Jul 05, 2006, 22:06
What a laff.

one 25-word passage from the "Godless" chapter titled "The Holiest Sacrament: Abortion" appears to have been lifted nearly word for word from Planned Parenthood literature

IOW, she was describing the liberal position, using their own words. (You don't need to cite that, although it is helpful).

Or I suppose that the liberals believe that she was using PP literature to describe her own private beliefs on the subject.

The Left is clearly enjoying a witchhunt here. Didn't stop Mencken or Twain, and won't stop her.

Toral

 
304Perm Dude
      ID: 36659519
      Wed, Jul 05, 2006, 22:16
I won't bother to dredge up my arguments about why she is not the satirist you think she is. Let's just leave it that biting attacks simply aren't enough to make her one. Self-awareness of satire is the best indicator.

The second link in the second paragraph here has more details. I am unable to make a direct link because of a censored word in the link title.

John Barrie, who invented the plagiarism-recognition software, is no liberal hack. I know that the Right, when attacked, revert to the Marxist "everything is politics" defense but someday you'll have to come out of your shell and face the real world consequences of your delusion. Dehumanizing your political enemies is wrong.
 
305Toral
      ID: 541029611
      Wed, Jul 05, 2006, 22:35
Dehumanizing your political enemies is wrong.

Wise advice. You should take it.

Toral
 
306Perm Dude
      ID: 36659519
      Wed, Jul 05, 2006, 22:50
You're right--I shouldn't attack a mean-spirited person simply because it is easy to do so (really). I apologize. I've tried to be careful lately to attack the quality of her work rather than her personally but I slipped up early and that isn't right.
 
307Perm Dude
      ID: 36659519
      Wed, Jul 05, 2006, 22:53
Looks like Ann is going on offense

No actual denial of the charges. Money quote: "...the Post has been reduced to tabloid status..."

Really?
 
308Pancho Villa
      ID: 519522811
      Wed, Jul 05, 2006, 23:13
she was describing the liberal position

No, she was describing Planned Parenthood. You could get 5 different liberals to give 5 different opinions about abortion on this board alone. There is no official liberal position as much as you collectivists want to scream about liberals.
 
309Boldwin
      ID: 49626249
      Wed, Jul 05, 2006, 23:21
Do you think you understand the term collectivist?
 
310Pancho Villa
      ID: 519522811
      Wed, Jul 05, 2006, 23:36
Yes
 
311Boldwin
      ID: 49626249
      Wed, Jul 05, 2006, 23:51
In what sense could Ann's supporters be called collectivist? Being champions of the rugged individualist philosophy, mind you.
 
312Pancho Villa
      ID: 519522811
      Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 00:49
Anyone who thinks a statement like Liberals are Godless, followed on the heels of Liberals are traitors isn't collectivist is the one who doesn't understand the term collectivist. Those two statements are the most prime examples of an elitist media monger using collectivist terms that have ever existed in this country.

Not somes liberals are Godless, or this liberal is a traitor, the entire collection of them.

And Toral is no better with his apologist position of Coulter's plagarism that she was describing the liberal position.

The entire collection of liberals have the same position on abortion, right?

As much ranting as I've seen Boldwin make about gulags and liberal dictatorships, I have to wonder if he has a clue as to how societies evolve into havens of opression and genocide. But then, who cares about the Godless anyway?
 
313Boldwin
      ID: 49626249
      Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 01:39
Kinda funny, as I've been having an e-mail correspondence with Randall Balmer lately.

Nope, collectivist does not mean one who generalizes.
 
314Pancho Villa
      ID: 519522811
      Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 10:30
from Baldwin's dictionary definition of collectivism:

: a political or economic theory advocating collective control especially over production and distribution; also : a system marked by such control
2 : emphasis on collective rather than individual action or identity


Emphasis on collective rather than individual identity(and there is no #1 without #2).

Ann Coulter isn't generalizing when she labels liberals as Godless traitors. She is doing exactly what all totalitarian and one-party states do, be they communist or fascist - demonizing and marginalizing the opposition through propoganda.

Liberals want a national health care system is a generalization.

Liberals are Godless traitors is propoganda, collectivist propoganda.
 
315Myboyjack
      ID: 27651610
      Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 10:41
geez. PV, you're misusing the word. Big deal.
 
316Madman
      ID: 114321413
      Sun, Jul 09, 2006, 10:09
Things are looking good for John Barrie and iThenticate. link. Sales look like they are going up.

As to the general charges, the evidence looks bad for her. A NYPost story has sufficient detail in a number of instances that deserve follow-up. PD's links have a reference to Flummery Digest which also seems like it warrants investigation. Any accrediting university should consider stripping her degree (seriously). As to whether UPS or other should drop her columns, that's a messier arena.

But as to the specific allegation referenced by CNN on their online video segments ( I put the freaking hardcode here since I have no other way to cite the source: javajavascript:cnnPlayVideo('/video/showbiz/2006/07/07/todd.coulter.controversy.cnn','/showbiz'); )-- the Judge Pickering reference -- it is very weak. First, Planned Parenthood is on the record as *wanting* people to pass on -- word for word -- that information, and wanting them to pretend as if it was their own discovery ( link ).

More critically, there is no "prose" in those 25 words that is being copied. Just a very bland matter-of-fact presentation. In such an instance, two sentence fragments -- like what we have here -- could coincidentally and substantially overlap.

There is also not necessarily any intellectual content. A critical test is whether or not information about that meeting is widely available. Wikipedia feels free to state the same thing, virtually word for word, without attribution "In 1984, when Judge Pickering was the president of the Mississippi Baptist Convention, he presided over a meeting where the Convention adopted a resolution calling for legislation to outlaw abortion except when necessary to preserve a woman's life." ( link ) Maybe that means that wiki has a business model flaw. But it also could mean that this is part of the public record. There are a billion references to the meeting at this point. If you are just stating whether he actually presided over it or not, there is nothing at all special about the Planned Parenthood literature that needs to be cited. In fact, I wonder if PP properly cited *their* accusation if this meeting is NOT part of the public record.

Plagiarism is more than just potentially coincidental word choices describing a bland historical occurrence. You couldn't convict a student based upon that singular instance, and you shouldn't be able to, either.
 
317Madman
      ID: 114321413
      Sun, Jul 09, 2006, 10:12
"Plagiarism is more than just potentially coincidental word choices describing a bland historical occurrence."

Should read:

"Plagiarism is more than just potentially coincidental bland word choices describing a historical occurrence."
 
318Boldwin
      ID: 49626249
      Sun, Jul 09, 2006, 15:46
Madman, when even the Daily KOS* admits there isn't any there there, there isn't.

*(as Ann hating as it gets)

How far do you have to go to rephrase a basic statement of facts? She wasn't ripping off someone else's argument or research. She was just setting the table describing a state of affairs. "Souter ruled so and so...". How many backflips do you have to do to remove yourself from the original newspaper report of the basic facts?
 
319Madman
      ID: 114321413
      Sun, Jul 09, 2006, 22:36
B -- the problem with relying the Daily Kos to judge these things is that the Daily Kos is almost always wrong.

"What these examples show is that Coulter is a lazy writer who rips off other people's research, but stealing someone else's arguments isn't "plagiarism". "

I can't disagree more. One form of plagiarism is directly lifting the words used by someone else. That's a relatively trivial form, however. And it's sad that this is the form that is getting most focus in this case, since if that was the standard, I'd agree with the Koster.

But plagiarism is also stealing someone else's ideas or arguments and passing them off as your own.

Again, on this standard the Pickering example has no "there, there". This description of intellectual referencing from the Flummery Digest ( http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2005/07/why-ann-coulter-is-**insert vernacular for female body part, 4 letters, rhymes with Hunt**-part-1856.html ) is deeply troubling under this second and broader defintion of plagiarism. Assuming the allegations are true, which I have no idea.

Don't get me wrong, I still wouldn't argue that Coulter is much worse than most of the political populist op-ed writing crowd right now. But the fact of the matter is that the entire set of standards for plagiarism are being dumbed down. Even the very concept of iThenticate reinforces the literalist copyist version as opposed to intellectual theft version.

Dunno. It's not whether she appropriately tweaked the words to distance herself from an old LA Times article. The problem is that if you reference an argument someone else has made, they should receive attribution. If they don't, then that's plagiarism whether you've performed backflips with the Kings English or not.

So, yeah, in Kos' world, there isn't a problem. But as an ex-prof, I can tell you that Kos' view of the world is sorely, sorely lacking in academic rigor.
 
320sarge33rd
      ID: 2464896
      Sun, Jul 09, 2006, 23:12
re post 210...

still don't know what law he's supposed to have broken

That's her entire defense of allegations against DeLay. No specifics. No details - PV

Not her fault if there aren't any.

Besides that's your job to build a case against him if it can be done. When/if you actually ever have a legitimate framework of charges that she can wail on I am sure she will.


So uh, what now that DeLay has resigned his seat in the face of his indictment?
 
321Boldwin
      ID: 49626249
      Mon, Jul 10, 2006, 11:53
My understanding of where things stand is that the dems are about to outslick themselves. They are insisting the republicans not be allowed to remove Delay from the ballot so he is reconsidering running. Serve them right if he wins.
 
322sarge33rd
      ID: 2464896
      Mon, Jul 10, 2006, 13:17
Its TX law. DeLay won the primary, thus he is the parties nominee.
 
323Perm Dude
      ID: 5622108
      Mon, Jul 10, 2006, 13:32
He can always withdraw his name, however. But he refuses to do so. He wants it both ways (just like his legislative career: He wanted it both legally and illegally).

He's making rumblings of actually running. Its not clear if he would win, if so, or if he won if he would actually be seated (depends on the status of his court cases I'd guess).
 
324sarge33rd
      ID: 2464896
      Mon, Jul 10, 2006, 13:34
If DeLay withdrew his name, then the Reps cant name the candidate of their choice to run in his stead. I dont completely understand the intracacies, but apparently if the Reps are allowed as a party to remove him (DeLay) from the ballot, then as a party they can select the candidate. Anything else, and I would surmise the nr2 vote getter in the primaries would be the candidate, OR the nominee would be blank. (Thats what I gleaned anyway from reading a news story on this the other day.)
 
325Perm Dude
      ID: 5622108
      Mon, Jul 10, 2006, 13:36
The Republicans can't remove him. He's their candidate because he won their primary. And they can't name anyone else in addition to him.

But he can withdraw his own name from the ballot if he wanted. That's his right.

 
326sarge33rd
      ID: 2464896
      Mon, Jul 10, 2006, 13:54
Not disputing that PD. Simply stating that what happens with the ballot afterwards, is different if he removes himself or is removed by other means. I'll try and find a link to the article.
 
327sarge33rd
      ID: 2464896
      Mon, Jul 10, 2006, 13:58
Not the article I was looking for, but thisdo ne makes ref to the Rep problems re the nominee;

link

If DeLay, the former House majority leader, makes it through the Republican primary, the party could be pretty much stuck with him. According to the Texas secretary of state's office, DeLay could withdraw until Aug. 25, but as long as Democrats have a nominee, Republicans could not replace DeLay unless his withdrawal met a narrow range of circumstances. Those include catastrophic illness, moving out of the state and felony conviction.

The Dem court battle over this, is to prevent DeLay from suddenly declaring his residence to be in Washington. He campaigned as a TX resident, he won the primary as such and has been seated for the past several years premised upon such.
 
328Perm Dude
      ID: 5622108
      Mon, Jul 10, 2006, 14:11
Here's a nice roundup. The second piece has a lot of detail (and links) to the court decision.
 
329 Pamela
      ID: 327650
      Sat, Aug 05, 2006, 02:13
NEWBIE NEEDS HELP! This is my first time adding (doing?) a blog. I followed one rule I knew: lurch first. I'm learning short-cuts; tough, being grammar fanatic. Bear with me. My first msg showed subject "Is AC a man?" I wasn't responding to that. Did it show that as msg because I was at that spot when I did msg? With email, obv, I cut and paste. I was on newsgroup and it was back and forth on threads, until sub changed. Do you copy what you want to respond to, then put it in your new msg? Does diff font, differentiating, done auto. Or by me. How do I make my own subject? If I create and i insert link, doesn't that allow others to send msgs to me directly? What's ignoring line feeds? What does html table input mean. I like this site. Want to get involved. No action since Jan?? What gives?
 
330Jag
      ID: 14849321
      Sat, Aug 05, 2006, 09:59
Pamela, I am fairly new also and never seen this thread, but if Ann Coulter is a man, then hand me some high heels, a feathered boa and call me Maurice, cuz i have a bit of a thang for her.
 
331katietx
      ID: 10737412
      Sat, Aug 05, 2006, 10:18
Hi Pamela and welcome to the forums. Nice to have another gal around! ;-)

I'll send you an email about your questions rather than responding here.

Katie
 
332Wilmer McLean
      ID: 44737103
      Thu, Aug 10, 2006, 05:00


Ann Coulter the Deadhead

It's hard to believe but Ann Coulter love[s] the Grateful Dead. By her rough count she's been to 67 shows all of them without consuming any drugs.

When talking about Deadheads there always comes a point when the hippy stuff gets too descriptive:


I fondly remember seeing the Dead when I was at Cornell. It was the day of the fabulous Fiji Island party on the driveway “island” of the Phi Gamma Delta House. We'd cover ourselves in purple Crisco and drink purple Kool-Aid mixed with grain alcohol and dance on the front yard. Wait – I think got the order reversed there: We'd drink purple Kool-Aid mixed with grain alcohol and then cover ourselves in purple Crisco – then the dancing. You probably had to be there to grasp how utterly fantastic this was.


Ann Coulter covered in purple Crisco? It's taking an amazing amount of willpower to not put that image in my mind.
 
333Perm Dude
      ID: 2073108
      Thu, Aug 10, 2006, 09:10
Yeah, at one point she was down to only needing a pint of the stuff each time. Ah, those were the days. Media Matters with the latest Coulter story. Apparently she (and her publisher) feel that the sheer number of endnotes outweigh whether they are accurate or not. "More crap please! They are starting to question the crap!"
 
334Tree
      ID: 1411442914
      Thu, Aug 10, 2006, 09:24
does she eat? man, that is one nasty-looking woman. if her teeth were worse, i'd swear she was a crack-whore.
 
335sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Thu, Aug 10, 2006, 09:29
nah. Shes just a media whore. Pays better.
 
336Boldwin
      ID: 46651516
      Thu, Aug 10, 2006, 12:19
Considering that she has stuck to her guns even when it cost her her job with National Review and various newspaper outlets for her columns, she has proven she won't sacrifice her pronciples, so she is clearly not prosituting herself for profits or media favor. Sarge as usual is 180 degree off base.

Her libertine opponents' whore expertise notwithstanding.
 
337soxzeitgeist
      ID: 36626317
      Thu, Aug 10, 2006, 12:35
Pronciples?

I guess they're like principles, but without any ethical or moral underpinnings. If so, then Ann (who has demonstrated herself to be one of the biggest media whores out there - don't kid yourself, baldwin) has them in spades.
 
338Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Thu, Aug 10, 2006, 13:09
Not really sure how you could deny that anyone who is a public personality by their own design is not a media whore. She actively works to keep herself in the spotlight. DingDingDing - thats it. That's her job. Its how she sells her books and syndicated columns. Its very much her business to be a media whore.

Baldwin's denial of this patently obvious fact plainly demonstrates his well documented inability to objectively judge her on any level.
 
339Perm Dude
      ID: 2073108
      Thu, Aug 10, 2006, 13:15
She drives the point home herself by constantly reminding her critics of how many books she sells.

Once again, Baldwin is an apologist for AC despite her own words which refute his arguments on her behalf.
 
340walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Thu, Aug 10, 2006, 13:21
LOL #339, PD. LOL.
- wal
 
341Boldwin
      ID: 46651516
      Thu, Aug 10, 2006, 20:30
Don't you people understand english? A media whore is someone who will sell their soul to please the media. Do you see her soft-selling what they don't want to hear so that they won't be offended?

You Ann haters are all so hate-filled you can't even process basic english.
 
342biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Thu, Aug 10, 2006, 20:37
You've got it backwards, Baldwin.

You think Fox would give her face-time if she soft-sold her particarly twisted shiznet?

Heck no. She knows she has to go over the top to keep the interest of the semi-flaccid middle-aged white chicken-hawk foxnewsies that imagine she whispers her peculiar form of divisive hate-speech into their ears only.
 
343Boldwin
      ID: 46651516
      Thu, Aug 10, 2006, 21:00
How to talk to a liberal.

Find weakest spot.

Swing heaviest object.
 
344sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Thu, Aug 10, 2006, 21:11
A media whore is someone who will sell their soul to please the media.

No, thats YOUR definition and you like it because it allows you to defend the indefensible while simultaneously attacking anyone in the media whose opinion is different from your own.

Allow me to provide a somewhat broader definition. (One which would encompass 1/2 baked extremists on both ends of the political spectrum. M Moore AND AC for ex)

Media Whore: One who derives their living by perpetuating via the media, ideas, theories, philosophies etc; which may or may not consistently agree or accurately reflect with the actual beliefs, ideas, philosophies etc, of the one doing the peddling.

EX: AC claims ALL liberals are godless morons without brains. Yet she proudly proclaims that she has liberal friends. A rather odd way to describe ones "friends" wouldnt you say?
 
345Boldwin
      ID: 46651516
      Thu, Aug 10, 2006, 21:22
Cindy Shehan is a media whore. Ratio of attention received to attention deserved nearing infinity.

John McCain is a media whore. Would skip nude down Penn Ave in the nude if a reporter asked him to.

Ann Coulter hits home run after home run off liberals who spent too long in the sun basking in the love of liberal MSM. The weakness of their positions is like Barry Bonds approaching t-ball. It just begs to be hit out of the park and finally someone has the balls to do so with all due respect, namely none.

 
346sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Thu, Aug 10, 2006, 21:45
Yes boldy, AC hits homerun after homerun. But only if you put her up against 4yr olds in a t-ball park. Before she can achieve anything of any import, she first has to learn to distinguish the truth, from that drivel the right likes to buy into.
 
347Tree
      ID: 267351018
      Thu, Aug 10, 2006, 22:47
Ratio of attention received to attention deserved nearing infinity.

are you talking Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, or Ann Coulter?

more than likely, all three.
 
348Wilmer McLean
      ID: 23735111
      Fri, Aug 11, 2006, 02:45
Schumer's propensity for publicity is the subject of a running joke amongst many commentators, leading Bob Dole to quip that "the most dangerous place in Washington is between Charles Schumer and a television camera." Schumer frequently schedules media appearances on Sundays, a slow day for news, in the hope of getting television coverage, typically on subjects other than legislative matters.


Surely the line "The most dangerous place is between XXX and a camera."
predates Bob Dole and Chuck Schumer.

Phil Gramm was the most common target of the joke when he was in Congress.
The earliest Proquest/Nexis/Factiva example with Gramm is from 5/18/82
(NYT).

 
349Boldwin
      ID: 46651516
      Fri, Aug 11, 2006, 11:23
Yes boldy, AC hits homerun after homerun. But only if you put her up against 4yr olds in a t-ball park - Sarge

Like I said, Liberals. The amygdala is only good for about 4yr old thinking, pure emotionalism.
 
350sarge33rd
      ID: 575352217
      Fri, Aug 11, 2006, 11:26
Ohhh. Boldy learned a new word and used it in a sentence too. Heres a gold star for youo Boldy.
 
351Boxman
      ID: 34751126
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 08:28
When speaking with Coulter critics I often find that personal attacks (on Coulter, not me) are the preferred debating method. To me, that is saying something that perhaps she isn't the broomstick riding heathen that the leftists make her out to be.
 
352sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 09:31
?

How else would one point out the myriad of falseties in ACs claims, other than attacking her credibility? Of course AC critics attack her...she fully deserves it. And her defenders, are either blind to reality, ignorant of what constitutes "the truth", or both.
 
353Baldwin
      ID: 1872126
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 10:45
Boxman

As usual you are too kind to liberals. All too many of them would consider 'broomstick riding heathen' high praise.
 
354Pancho Villa
      ID: 366352418
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 10:58
What Baldwin and Boxman fail to acknowledge is that Ann Coulter's critics are not restricted to leftists or liberals. She is routinely dismissed as a serious political analyst by conservatives and moderates as well.
 
355Boxman
      ID: 34751126
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 13:38
Baldwin: All too true. I forgot that being a heathen is actually a praise to the anti-God left; which in all actuality is 95% of the left. Add her supporters to those personally attacked.

Sarge: How else would one point out the myriad of falseties in ACs claims, other than attacking her credibility?

That's the first thing scumbag trial lawyers do to rape victims too. How about debating her talking points instead?
 
356Perm Dude
      ID: 18754129
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 13:43
As has been done. But, unlike a rape victim, you cannot separate credibility from the person who writes opinion pieces. Like any other opinion writer, the credibility is part of the package. You lose it (like Geraldo) and even factual statements you make seem like they really don't matter.
 
357bibA
      Sustainer
      ID: 261028117
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 14:12
Debating her talking points?

Okay, let's take one Boxman.

She has stated that the US should nuke North Korea as a lesson to others, that it would be a fun thing to do.

I contend this IS something that other conservatives may agree with. Personally, I find this possibility to be terrible and cruel. What say you?
 
358Pancho Villa
      ID: 366352418
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 14:38
Case in point from my #354 from the ultra-conservative NRO.

In the wake of her invade-and-Christianize-them column, Coulter wrote a long, rambling rant of a response to her critics that was barely coherent. She's a smart and funny person, but this was Ann at her worst — emoting rather than thinking, and badly needing editing and some self-censorship, or what is commonly referred to as "judgment."

Running this "piece" would have been an embarrassment to Ann, and to NRO. Rich Lowry pointed this out to her in an e-mail (I was returning from my honeymoon). She wrote back an angry response, defending herself from the charge that she hates Muslims and wants to convert them at gunpoint.

But this was not the point. It was NEVER the point. The problem with Ann's first column was its sloppiness of expression and thought. Ann didn't fail as a person — as all her critics on the Left say — she failed as WRITER, which for us is almost as bad.

Rich wrote her another e-mail, engaging her on this point, and asking her — in more diplomatic terms — to approach the whole controversy not as a PR-hungry, free-swinging pundit on Geraldo, but as a careful writer.

No response.

Instead, she apparently proceeded to run around town bad-mouthing NR and its employees. Then she showed up on TV and, in an attempt to ingratiate herself with fellow martyr Bill Maher, said we were "censoring" her.


Media whore then;media whore now. Just ask respected conservatives.

 
359Boxman
      ID: 34751126
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 18:08
Biba: She has stated that the US should nuke North Korea as a lesson to others, that it would be a fun thing to do.

I contend this IS something that other conservatives may agree with. Personally, I find this possibility to be terrible and cruel. What say you?


Link to that? Either way, while I'm not her publicist I'd imagine that this piece reeked of satire or exaggeration to prove a point.

No, North Korea should not be nuked. I see the argument for it wherein you have a regime that continually threatens the United States and is developing the means to hit our contiguous area. They already can hurt our allies, but I think they really want us.

The North Korean populace should have repeated food drops done with leaflets telling them what the rest of the world is like, how much of a failure their leader is and if they want to stand up and get their country back then do "x".

I do firmly believe that the negotiations we are doing are utterly fruitless and only serve to feed Kim Jong Il's ego wherein he gets to blackmail the west for food and other supplies.

I am for the six party method for the simple fact that it shows the rest of the world how fruitless those negotiations are.
 
360Perm Dude
      ID: 18754129
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 18:41
Coulter has stated, in her interview on NBC when the book came out that she believes everything she writes. In other words, she's not being satirical (as I pointed out many times above).

Her apologists like to say she is just being satirical because they can't defend her on factual or contextual grounds. It really is too bad that Ann keeps making it difficult for them to defend her.
 
361soxzeitgeist
      ID: 467421214
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 18:49
"I think we ought to nuke North Korea right now just to give the rest of the world a warning. ... They’re a major threat. I just think it would be fun to nuke them and have it be a warning to the rest of the world."

That's from an interview Ann did in January 2005 with George Gurley. You can find myriad links to it. It's not satire or exaggeration and in context is just one of a couple of ridiculious statements she made in the interview.
GG:What would have to happen to make you say it was a bad idea to invade [Iraq] ?

AC:"That's a good question. It would be a mistake if we just futz around and the whole country became like one long Falluja. I thought we were wasting way too much time on that. This is a war, let's go in and win it. Just take the city! I think if it got to the point where it was going on for six, seven years, and it was just Americans patrolling without killing anyone -- I'm getting a little fed up with hearing about, oh, civilian casualties. I think we ought to nuke North Korea right now just to give the rest of the world a warning."

GG:Nuke North Korea?

AC:"Right -- and this is tied to my point that, in Iraq, let the Marines do their job. There may be some civilian casualties -- that's known as war. Americans can live with that. And when did we become the guardian of the world to prevent all civilian casualties, ever -- how about our civilians?"

GG:After we bomb North Korea, what's the next country we should invade?

AC:"Iran. Though that's the beauty part of Iraq: It may well not be necessary. Because precisely what I'm saying with nuking North Korea -- despite that wonderful peace deal Madeline Albright negotiated with the North Koreans, six seconds before they feverishly began developing nuclear weapons. They're a major threat. I just think it would be fun to nuke them and have it be a warning to the rest of the world."

GG:What about Mecca?

AC:"Seriously, I think the rest of the countries in the Middle East, after Afghanistan and Iraq, they're pretty much George Bush's bitch," she said. "I think they know we're serious: We have a President who can do what he thinks is right, whether or not there are a bunch of liberals carping, and no matter what the letter writers to The New York Times have to say about being ashamed for their country."
It's not that I'm ashamed for my country, it's that I'm embarassed by the fringe right (and left) morons like Ann who believe that they speak for us.
 
362soxzeitgeist
      ID: 467421214
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 19:07
Of course the NRO isn't the only conservative voice denoucing Coulter. A short list includes people like MSM pundits George Will and Charles Krauthammer to bloggers like Hugh Hewitt, the Strata-Sphere, RedState, the Anchoress and Ace of Spades.

At the end of the day, I'm not sure what I am disgusted by more - Coulter or her uberconservative defenders, who twist like Circ du Solei contortionists to spin her words to "say" something other than what she proudly claims they mean. She's got no compunctions about being a bigot and liar, I only wonder why she hasn't been dumped Buchanan or Duke.

Maybe it's because she's actually right on target with how the Right thinks.

Spooky.
 
363Baldwin
      ID: 1872126
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 19:49
Right on target...well that would explain the fact everything she writes goes to the top ten, wait the top of the top ten.

Any of the aforementioned sources that distances themselves from her distances themselves from me and her readers.

NRO lost their conservative credentials years earlier tho when they had an article introducing neo-cons and Strauss to their conservative audience and that about face was finalized when Bill Buckley retired.
 
364Pancho Villa
      ID: 366352418
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 20:19
everything she writes goes to the top ten

Mein Kampf is currently a top 10 seller in Turkey and several Muslim nations. Ann probably is estatic about keeping that kind of company.
 
365bibA
      Sustainer
      ID: 261028117
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 21:27
I can seriously believe that Baldwin would not rue the day we began dropping nukes on the populations of other countries. Are you of this same ilk Boxman? For some reason, I see a little more compassion from you towards your fellow man than displayed by the views and statements expressed by Baldwin.
 
366Boldwin
      ID: 46651516
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 21:36
That is one weak analogy. You gonna apply that to every best seller? The Bible?

Sheesh you honestly expect to be taken seriously with that level of rigor yet you think writing best sellers is a frivilous accomplishment?

Would someone here just unplug their emotions for one minute and add up the actual merit to your criticisms? You are throwing feathers at her, not the the deadly arrows you imagine.
 
367Perm Dude
      ID: 18754129
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 22:05
bibA: You have to realize that the mythology of the martyr of the far-Right is so ingrained that they will actually invent alternate realities to keep it going.

Much like 60's liberals who dream of the good old days of civil rights marches, these Freepers look back on the 60s as good old days of voices in the wilderness martyrs who have been proven "right" by virtue of, well, that part isn't clear. But it is important to them that they cast themselves as the victims, so as to shuck off contextually sensitive debate rooted in reality.

When you are a victim, you don't have to be right. You simply have to have enough fire to replenish your righteous anger flames.
 
368Pancho Villa
      ID: 366352418
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 22:36
I wasn't making an anology, Baldwin. I was engaging in satire. You do know when someone is engaging in satire, correct?

Now why the switch back to Baldwin?
 
369sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Sat, Aug 12, 2006, 23:22
'cause Boldwin ws too damn liberal I'm guessing.
 
370Boxman
      ID: 34751126
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 08:00
Biba: I can seriously believe that Baldwin would not rue the day we began dropping nukes on the populations of other countries. Are you of this same ilk Boxman? For some reason, I see a little more compassion from you towards your fellow man than displayed by the views and statements expressed by Baldwin.

Baldwin is fully capable of speaking for himself.

Answering only for myself I believe a precedent was set by Truman that when you attack the United States, not sink the Lusitania or hit us in the Gulf of Tonkin, but an actual attack on the United States, then you have earned the right to have a nuclear weapon dropped on you. There is a line crossed and a big difference between dictatorial saber rattling and then going ahead and attacking us.

Outside of that, dropping nuclear weapons on a populace isn't warranted. It's counterproductive and provides an "excuse" for other actions against us.

Look at the countries we could potentially have a military conflict with: Iran and North Korea primarily.

Since the War On Terror is a war of ideas, how does nuking the populace of Iran change the minds of hardliners in Mecca and Damascus? We wouldn't know unless we actually did it.

With North Korea, you've got a madman who likes to blackmail for food to impress his people. Well if that is what he wants, then demand that he gives democratic reforms. Demand a timetable for reunification (if the South wants that). In the meantime, drop food on the populace declaring to them what is going on and try to incite an uprising. This does mean that we'll have to help them if that day comes, like how we were helped 225 some odd years ago, but it sure beats nuking them.
 
371Perm Dude
      ID: 1078138
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 09:11
Actually, Truman dropped the bomb to prevent a million American deaths from having to invade Japan. He wanted to get Japan to surrender, and quickly. There was no precedent set in that case regarding the fact that Japan had attacked a US fleet.

I'm sure you realize that Hawai'i was not a state at that point in time? So your analogy really doesn't stand up.
 
372Boxman
      ID: 34751126
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 10:31
Yes it does Perm Dude. Hawaii may not have been a state, but it was part of the American "Empire" for lack of a better term. It was also home to the Pacific fleet. 2700 people died there that day. It warranted the extreme response.

Had this administration been in charge at that time, they would review Japan's oil/natural gas pipeline capabilities before they decided to do what's right for this nation.
 
373sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 10:54
The droppingof the bomb had NOTHING to do with "teaching a lesson" for attacking us. It had everything to do, with minimizing US casualties vs a D-Day like invasion of Japan.

Talk abot revisionist.
 
374Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 374522815
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 11:20
I believe a precedent was set by Truman that when you attack the United States, not sink the Lusitania or hit us in the Gulf of Tonkin, but an actual attack on the United States, then you have earned the right to have a nuclear weapon dropped on you.

Harry Truman intended no such precedent. In fact a strong case is made that he had no idea how deadly and destructive the bomb was at the time he had it deployed.

Harry Truman's diary entry - 7/25/45, less than 2 weeks before Hiroshima:
7/25/45 Diary Entry:

"We met at 11 A.M. today. That is Stalin, Churchill and the U.S. President. But I had a most important session with Lord Mountbattan & General Marshall before than. We have discovered the most terrible bomb in the history of the world. It may be the fire destruction prophesied in the Euphrates Valley Era, after Noah and his fabulous Ark.

"Anyway we 'think' we have found the way to cause a disintegration of the atom. An experiment in the New Mexican desert was startling - to put it mildly. Thirteen pounds of the explosive caused the complete disintegration of a steel tower 60 feet high, created a crater 6 feet deep and 1,200 feet in diameter, knocked over a steel tower 1/2 mile away and knocked men down 10,000 yards away. The explosion was visible for more than 200 miles and audible for 40 miles and more.

"The weapon is to be used against Japan between now and August 10th. I have told the Sec. of War, Mr. Stimson, to use it so that military objectives and soldiers and sailors are the target and not women and children. Even if the Japs are savages, ruthless, merciless and fanatic, we as the leader of the world for the common welfare cannot drop this terrible bomb on the old capital or the new [Kyoto or Tokyo].

"He [Stimson] and I are in accord. The target will be a purely military one and we will issue a warning statement [known as the Potsdam Proclamation] asking the Japs to surrender and save lives. I'm sure they will not do that, but we will have given them the chance. It is certainly a good thing for the world that Hitler's crowd or Stalin's did not discover this atomic bomb. It seems to be the most terrible thing ever discovered, but it can be made the most useful."
Of course, Truman was terribly wrong and far more civilains were killed than he thought would be.
8/9/45 Letter to Senator Richard Russell:

[In response to Sen. Russell's wish that Japan be hit with more atomic and conventional bombing:]

"I know that Japan is a terribly cruel and uncivilized nation in warfare but I can't bring myself to believe that, because they are beasts, we should ourselves act in the same manner.

"For myself, I certainly regret the necessity of wiping out whole populations because of the 'pigheadedness' of the leaders of a nation and, for your information, I am not going to do it until it is absolutely necessary...

"My object is to save as many American lives as possible but I also have a humane feeling for the women and children in Japan." (Barton Bernstein, Understanding the Atomic Bomb and the Japanese Surrender: Missed Opportunities, Little-Known Near Disasters, and Modern Memory, Diplomatic History, Spring 1995, material quoted from pg. 267-268).


[8/10/45: Japan makes surrender offer to Allies.]


[8/10/45: Having received reports and photographs of the effects of the Hiroshima bomb, Truman ordered a halt to further atomic bombings. Sec. of Commerce Henry Wallace recorded in his diary on the 10th, "Truman said he had given orders to stop atomic bombing. He said the thought of wiping out another 100,000 people was too horrible. He didn't like the idea of killing, as he said, 'all those kids'." (John Blum, ed., "The Price of Vision: the Diary of Henry A. Wallace, 1942-1946", pg. 473-474).]
More:
On July 21, 1948 Truman confided some other private thoughts on the atomic bomb to his staff. Chairman of the Atomic Energy Commission David Lilienthal recorded Truman's words in his diary that night, along with Lilienthal's own observations in parentheses:

"I don't think we ought to use this thing [the A-Bomb] unless we absolutely have to. It is a terrible thing to order the use of something that (here he looked down at his desk, rather reflectively) that is so terribly destructive, destructive beyond anything we have ever had. You have got to understand that this isn't a military weapon. (I shall never forget this particular expression). It is used to wipe out women and children and unarmed people, and not for military uses." (David Lilienthal, The Journals of David E. Lilienthal, Vol. Two, pg. 391) [my emphasis]. Truman's candid comments underscored the indiscriminate power of the atomic bomb that causes it to kill people we don't want to kill.
 
375bibA
      Sustainer
      ID: 261028117
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 12:44
Well Box, we are doing as you wished: debating her talking points (her expressed belief that we should use nukes on N. Korea being one). Score one for those of us who find her to be ultra radical? You seem to agree with us who feel it would be cruel and foolish to nuke N.Korea, in contrast to AC. Shall we move to some of her other ridiculous statements?
 
376Boxman
      ID: 34751126
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 13:48
Mith: Thank you for the access to the Truman Archvies. I'd like to point something out.

My object is to save as many American lives as possible but I also have a humane feeling for the women and children in Japan.

What kind of liberal doublespeak is this? Someone translate this. He was so concerned for the women and children in Japan that he vaporized thousands of them, twice. This isn't even counting the firebombings.

Then, You have got to understand that this isn't a military weapon. (I shall never forget this particular expression). It is used to wipe out women and children and unarmed people, and not for military uses.

It's not a military weapon? He used it, twice, to win a war .

Mith: Harry Truman intended no such precedent. In fact a strong case is made that he had no idea how deadly and destructive the bomb was at the time he had it deployed.

Then he should've thought two or three times before dropping it. How's that go? The road to hell is paved with good intentions? Then, as commander in chief of the armed forces, he's dropping weapons that he has no idea what the heck they would do?

The precedent IS there. Whether do gooder Harry, humanitarian to the Japanese people, had intended it or not.

Sarge: The droppingof the bomb had NOTHING to do with "teaching a lesson" for attacking us. It had everything to do, with minimizing US casualties vs a D-Day like invasion of Japan.

So therefore, you'd be in favor of dropping the bomb instead? After all, had we hypothetically nuked Iraq, 2200+ of our armed forces would still be alive.
 
377Perm Dude
      ID: 1078138
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 14:25
Talk about doublespeak! Truman sacrificed the two cities to save millions more from dying. And millions would have died if the Americans were forced to fight hand to hand, island to island, until the Japanese surrendered.

I realize it hurts your point. But you really need to look at the reasons people gave for their actions before you start putting intentions into their mind.

Truman never firebombed Japan, either. That was reserved for Germany.
 
378sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 14:36
Exactly PD. The "fire bomboings" were in the city of Dresden.


Box = King (queen?) of the strawman argument:

Sarge: The droppingof the bomb had NOTHING to do with "teaching a lesson" for attacking us. It had everything to do, with minimizing US casualties vs a D-Day like invasion of Japan.

So therefore, you'd be in favor of dropping the bomb instead? After all, had we hypothetically nuked Iraq, 2200+ of our armed forces would still be alive.


Where/when have ever advocated the wanton and total destruction of an entire people? You're trying to put words into our mouths, so as to fit your argument. Aint gonna work.

Let me be perfectly, absolutely and utterly clear...we should NEVER use nukes. Korea should NEVER use nukes. France should NEVER use nukes. Britain should NEVER use nukes. Nor should any other country/people/leader/military/twit/radical etc. Nuclear/atomic war, gives a whole new meaning to "collateral damage".

As for their use in WWII, against Japan and without firebombing anything, times/attitudes/political atmosphere/social outlooks etc etc etc...were all very different then. What you now sneeringly refer to as "liberal doublespeak" ( My object is to save as many American lives as possible but I also have a humane feeling for the women and children in Japan.

What kind of liberal doublespeak is this? Someone translate this. He was so concerned for the women and children in Japan that he vaporized thousands of them, twice.
) most then and today, and would refer to as compassion following a difficult and trying decision. Yet you manage to find it to be something worthy of dersision.

I for one, am done with you Box. If you cant see how it is possible to render a decision you dont like, but have to out of need, then you have toomuch growing up yet to do, for me to waste my time with you further.

You go right ahead and sit on your self-constructed pillar. Dont mean diddly to me.

 
379Myboyjack
      Dude
      ID: 014826271
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 14:42
Truman never firebombed Japan, either. That was reserved for Germany.



Exactly PD. The "fire bomboings" were in the city of Dresden.




Sorry boys, but I'm pretty sure Tokyo was firebombed.
 
380Myboyjack
      Dude
      ID: 014826271
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 14:44
Firebombs over Tokyo
 
381Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 15:08
67 Japanese Cities Firebombed in World War II
 
382sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 15:16
I stand corrected. Obviously I was well aware of the Dresden bombing, but had not read previously where Japan was subjected to the same.
 
383Perm Dude
      ID: 1078138
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 15:16
Thanks, guys. I didn't realize that, and appreciate the information.
 
384sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 15:18
Rather "liberal" of us to stand tall in the face of facts and admit we were wrong. Dont you think so PD? :)
 
385Perm Dude
      ID: 1078138
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 15:20
Heh. Well, I think it is a bit old school of me, perhaps. These days, confrontation and the lack of compromise seem to be the hallmark of politics, no matter what the stripe of the person.
 
386Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 15:21
Not that it changes the discussion but for the record I don't necessarily know that any firebombing happened under Truman. The war only lasted 5 months into Truman's presidency, which began in April, 1945, when FDR died. Tokyo was bombed in March of that year and according to this link the firebombing of Japanese cities started in 1944.
 
387Myboyjack
      Dude
      ID: 014826271
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 15:48
If you guys watched more Japanese cinema you'd have known that the firebombings of Tokyo and their grizzly aftermath helped inspire Akira Kurusawa.
 
388Myboyjack
      Dude
      ID: 014826271
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 15:53
BTW, I'm not going to look for links, but I'm again fairly certain that the bombings of Tokyo carried on until August, 1945. As you said MITH, I don't think that changes anyone's point.
 
389sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 16:25
If you guys watched more Japanese cinema...

I assume you're not referring to Japanese porn?!
 
390Pancho Villa
      ID: 366352418
      Sun, Aug 13, 2006, 17:23
Of course, Japan would suffer firebombings in their cities long after the end of WW2, in 1954, 1956, and 1961.
 
391Perm Dude
      ID: 37955267
      Thu, Oct 26, 2006, 20:26
Christopher Hitchens tries to get his head around Coulter's prose. And can't seem to even figure out even what her point is.

As the Christianists' hold on the federal government loosens, we'll have less need to worry about Coulter's nonsensical arguments.
 
393Baldwin
      ID: 189102715
      Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 17:17
Yeah, it's only nonsense to your side. You'd see the logic if you could see past the overdeveloped Democrat amygdala.
 
394sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 17:43
?
 
395Perm Dude
      ID: 37955267
      Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 17:49
Apparently "your side" means atheism (Hitchens is an atheist neo-con). Not surprised that a Witness would refer to a Catholic as an atheist.

It's a long, long way down.
 
397Tree
      ID: 1411442914
      Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 17:52
When Baldwin doesn't have a logical argument, he usually takes one of the three tacts:

1. insults you and calls you names, because that's the kind of guy he is.

2. claims he is in the middle of some difficult crossword puzzle, or otherwise busy, because that's how he rolls.

3. throws out 50 cent words to make it seem like he's got more going on in his amygdala than he actually does.

it's a scary time for Baldwin, because the Right Wing Revolution he has heavily supported is coming to an end, after a meager, pathetic, and very anti-American 12 years.

he needs to support the Coulter's and Limbaugh's of the world, because they'll be doing big business for the next couple of decades pandering to people like Baldwin, as the Left tries to right the very wrong direction this country has taken over the last half-dozen years or so.
 
398Wilmer McLean
      ID: 40957211
      Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 19:32
On the part of "If Hitler hadn't turned against their beloved Stalin" ... there's Pete Seeger.

Stalin's Songbird

David Boaz

April 14, 2006

The Guardian

...

The New Yorker has another of its affectionate profiles of old Stalinists, this time the folk singer Pete Seeger. A regular old American, they say, a guy who would stand by the side of the road at 85 holding up a sign reading simply "Peace." A "conservative" really, who "believes ardently in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights". And over the years he sang for peace, and for civil rights, and for the workers. And he built his own house on a hilltop. What's not to like?

Oh, sure, they mention in parentheses that he "knew students at Harvard who were Communists and, with the idea in mind of a more equitable world, he eventually became one himself". Outside parentheses, writer Alec Wilkinson reassures us that Seeger did eventually quit the Party.

Somehow, though, they didn't quite find room to detail Seeger's long habit of following the Stalinist line. Take the best example, his twists and turns during the FDR administration. Seeger tells Wilkinson that when he was at Harvard during the late 1930s he was trying to "stop Hitler" and he became disgusted with a professor who counselled appeasement. Maybe so. But after the Hitler-Stalin pact, he and his group the Almanac Singers put out an album titled Songs of John Doe that called Franklin D Roosevelt a warmongering lackey of JP Morgan.


Franklin D, listen to me,
You ain't a-gonna send me 'cross the sea.
You may say it's for defense
That kinda talk ain't got no sense.


Then within months Hitler invaded the Soviet Union. The album was pulled from the market and reportedly destroyed. The Almanac Singers quickly produced a new album, Dear Mr President, that took a different view of FDR and the war:


Now, Mr President
You're commander-in-chief of our armed forces
The ships and the planes and the tanks and the horses
I guess you know best just where I can fight ...
So what I want is you to give me a gun
So we can hurry up and get the job done!


As the ex-communist scholar Ronald Radosh puts it, "Seeger was antiwar during the period of the Nazi-Soviet Pact; pro-war after the Soviet Union was the ally of the United States; and anti-war during the years of the Cold War and Vietnam".

...
 
400Baldwin
      ID: 189102715
      Fri, Oct 27, 2006, 21:47
Hitchens like a 'good' Trotskyite, might be forgiven if he doesn't want to be lumped in with Stalin lovers. What with the pick to the brain and all.


PD

I am not the one who leaped into bed with godless commies. I'm not calling you godless, you were just doing it because everyone else was doing it at the time. Very typical.
 
401Pancho Villa
      ID: 366352418
      Sat, Oct 28, 2006, 17:02
Coulter revealed
 
402Baldwin
      ID: 189102715
      Sun, Oct 29, 2006, 06:28
I shoot down that analogy all by myself.
 
403sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Sun, Oct 29, 2006, 08:35
another air-ball baldy. Ya shot, true enough. But ya missed by a country mile.
 
404Baldwin
      ID: 189102715
      Sun, Oct 29, 2006, 11:34
A lot more chance her readers are self-employed self-sufficient self-starters, than there is that they are welfare moms and government paper-pushers.
 
405CanadianHack
      ID: 40849193
      Sun, Oct 29, 2006, 11:45
And a lot more chance they are fat racist middle aged white guys than Nobel laureates?

So what?

Do you think your non-sequitors help you get any point across?
 
406sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Sun, Oct 29, 2006, 11:49
A lot more chance her readers are self-employedcentered self-sufficientaggrandizing self-starterspromoting, than there is that they are welfare moms and government paper-pushers.

there
 
407Tree
      ID: 4490296
      Sun, Oct 29, 2006, 12:08
A lot more chance her readers are self-employed self-sufficient self-starters, than there is that they are welfare moms and government paper-pushers.

and that has what to do with anything?
 
408Perm Dude
      ID: 20942297
      Sun, Oct 29, 2006, 16:01
It gives them the self-confidence they need to read insults about people they feel are their social and political inferiors.
 
409Baldwin
      ID: 189102715
      Sun, Oct 29, 2006, 20:53
Go back and reread the comic if you can't understand why my comments are appropriate.
 
410sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Sun, Oct 29, 2006, 21:08
I need neither to reread the comic, nor anything AC has put forth, nor anything you've alledged in her defense...to know the truth and recognize the bitter venom she spews.
 
411Boldwin
      ID: 189102715
      Sun, Oct 29, 2006, 22:20
Yeah, well at least you eschew that terrible 'bitter venom'. Lol. That would pretty much devalue everything you said if you had any of that, huh?
 
412biliruben
      ID: 4911361723
      Sat, Jun 16, 2007, 20:10
Anyone else getting this ad at the top of the politics forum?



It's free!
 
413Perm Dude
      ID: 52527168
      Sat, Jun 16, 2007, 21:29
If I wanted to get free insults I would have stayed with my old girlfriend.

 
414Perm Dude
      ID: 41572614
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 00:21
Elizabeth Edwards calls in to Hardball

Great, great stuff. Coulter cringing is a new position for her. Each time she tries to get her stride back by talking about John Edwards making money off his website, Elizabeth Edwards continues to impress the quiet and dignified point of stopping the personal attacks.

"I'm the mother of that boy who died" was a great line (Coulter referenced John & Elizabeth's deseased son in one of her lower moments. Apparently its OK to reference a deceased Messiah as the most important fact of your life, but not OK to say that about your deceased son.
 
415walk
      ID: 75112114
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 11:39
Yeah, I watched that clip, too, PD. Matthews is an idiot, and panders to her and all of the conservative guests, but Elizabeth won over the crowd with her personal and proactive call. All Coulter could come up with was: "A Presidential candidate's wife calls to ask me to stop talking. No." I think Matthews at least go in a clarification, "No, she asked you to stop making it personal," but it was not enough. What was enough was the crowd clapping when Elizabeth indicated that Coulter's personal attacks were detracting from more important discussion of the issues and doing those individuals in the crowd a big disservice." What a broad but eloquent smackdown of Coulter's entire MO. If she could just be more humorous and satirical instead of nasty and hateful in her remarks (cos personally, I don't think she is serious, and is just a shock jockette, but on a major downtick), she'd have a better image. Now though, she's sorta boxed herself into a corner by standing her ground of being a mean-spirited talker who would rather insult people than talk about anything substantive.

- walk
 
416Tree
      ID: 29082512
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 16:19
that, as they say on the internets, was pwnage.


Matthews, to his credit, basically worked overtime to get Coulter to shut her trap and let Edwards speak. Then, when the crowd went into a round of applause over Edwards' plea for discussion of the issues and not negative personal attacks, it was game, set, and match.

a group of folks holding McCain signs, applauding for the words of a possible future Democratic first lady, and all Coulter comes up with is another personal and negative attack.
 
417nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 16:23

she's sorta boxed herself into a corner by standing her ground of being a mean-spirited talker who would rather insult people than talk about anything substantive.

Her nasty attitude is making her a lot of money. It's really nothing more then whoring herself by using sensationalism for publicity. That's really what she's all about at this point.

But hey it's working.

If I knew I would make that kind of money I would likely do the same, I don't know if I could resist.

She boxed herself into a corner. A corner of a whore house, and it's lined with gold.


 
418Baldwin
      ID: 14358177
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 18:37
Do you really get to complain about mean-spirited and personal remarks in a thread in which you started out calling the female target a man?
 
420Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 19:19
That's weird. I assume post 419 is authored by Tree?
 
421Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 19:25
Post 418 & 419 - The final proof that Baldwin and Tree are the same person...I called it years ago.
 
422Tree
      ID: 85132718
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 19:36
(fixed. man. that was weird. i think i meant to address Baldwin, and it ended up in the "author" line, and i wasn't paying attention when posting it)

Baldwin - unfortunately, i don't have the ability to go back and see what i was referencing back in 2003.

but, regardless, i do. despite the fact that your america wants to take away freedoms, i have the right to complain about whoever i damned well please.

even though, i didn't complain at all in my post. i just said that Edwards gave your girlfriend a good, old-fashioned, ass-whipping, and she did it with class.

so, are you going to defend Coulter, or just continue to avoid topics?
 
423Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 19:46
I call shenanigans. You've been outed, bro. No use covering up now. There are witnesses.
 
424Baldwin
      ID: 14358177
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 22:49
Someone tell me what he edited out. 8]
 
425Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 23:06
It was identical to the everything but the first paragraph of 422. However, it had "Baldwin" listed as the author.

You know this already, though, Baldwin/tree

;)
 
426nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 03:25


Do you really get to complain about mean-spirited and
personal remarks in a thread in which you started out calling the
female target a man?


I didn't call her a man...so can I complain?

 
427nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 03:28

Baldwin and Tree one in the same?

That would be the ultimate prank and worthy of a Oscar.

Maybe both personas are completely made up by some devious
soul seeing how absurdly farcical of a character he can create
and how long we will believe it.

I guess I could be one of his character's too.





 
428walk
      ID: 2530286
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 07:35
I didn't call her a man either, so I feel comfy complaining about her wealth-laden mean-spiritedness. I agree, NC, that her approach is very successful in making $. I think though she's also interested in being perceived as "right," as that would continue to the $ rolling in. The more she is perceived as "wrong," the more of a threat that is to her fortune-making. Then again, it would likely take her unmasking as shtick to make her supporters stop buying her rhetoric.

- walk
 
429sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 09:24
Baldwin and Tree one in the same?

That would be the ultimate prank and worthy of a Oscar.

Maybe both personas are completely made up by some devious
soul seeing how absurdly farcical of a character he can create
and how long we will believe it.

I guess I could be one of his character's too.


Sybil at a keyboard? There was a movie not all that long ago, at a motel on a rainy night, where all the characters were the manifestations of a single deranged mind. Would that mean that potentially, we are all but the figments of a raging lunatics mental anguish?
 
430walk
      ID: 75112114
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 11:45
Saw that John Cusak movie, Ref. I forgot the name. Pretty bad ending. However, the new 1408 is supposed to be quite good (but I have yet to see). Tree/Baldwin the same...I would feel so very duped.

- walk
 
431C1-NRB
      ID: 5932328
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 12:36
The movie was "Identity"
I liked it, but it did lame-out at the end.
 
432Baldwin
      ID: 14358177
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 12:41
I didn't call her a man...so can I complain? - Nerve

Nope, calling her an greedy whore as you did counts as a mean-spirited personal attack as well.
 
433sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 13:01
actually, referring to AC as a "greedy whore", insults greedy whores around the world.
 
434Tree
      ID: 29082512
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 13:19
Baldwin, it's not a mean-spirited personal attack if it's the truth, and, by her own admission although not in so many words, AC, is a greedy whore.
 
435Perm Dude
      ID: 5853289
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 13:20
I'm sorry--but exactly why can't we got personal on Ann Coulter? Because somehow telling a private citizen to stop sprinkling her lies about public servants with personal attacks about them would make it hypocritical?

Really--I'm curious here.
 
436Baldwin
      ID: 14358177
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 14:13
Elementary, my dear PD...examine the following logical inconsistancy [which sums up this thread pretty well]...
Every point Ann Coulter might make is invalidated because she makes mean-spirited personal attacks, that ugly greedy unfeminine whore.
Why don't you all just simplify your approach and admit that, "We love mean-spirited personal attacks, as long as we agree with the target, and that every point we have ever made is invalidated by our own mean-spirited personal attacks, why do you even bother lurking anymore Baldwin? It's obvious we aren't worthy of your attention."
 
437Perm Dude
      ID: 5853289
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 14:29
"you all"?

You're following in her footsteps well, Baldwin. Lump "all" them together, then slam them for the worse thing you think will get you attention.

As for the word "whore" we've consistently used it, in this thread, to mean "media whore" which, of course, she is.
 
438walk
      ID: 75112114
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 14:58
That is total BS, Baldwin. She's a money-making meanie and you know it, and the only defense of her is basically: "two wrongs don't make a right?" What Elizabeth Edwards she does is very accurate: she dummies down and demonizes political discourse...a topic that's pretty important. What we call her on, is what she is...call there's no valid basis to debate the merits of her substance, cos she does not aim to present many, if any, (accurate) substantive political comments. She either outright lies, denies or distorts, or resorts to name-calling and villifying others. Her behavior when referring to Barack Obama as "B. Hussein Obama" to incite anti-Muslim/anti-Barack voting thoughts in others is exemplary of this negative non-issue-related style.

If you wanna fcuk her, that's fine. I am sure if she were nice(r), she'd be hot(ter) to many others, too... but her comments are nasty, and intended to be so.

- walk
 
439walk
      ID: 75112114
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 15:04
Corrections:

"What Elizabeth Edwards said she does..."

"What we call her on, is what she is...cos there's no valid..."
 
440Baldwin
      ID: 14358177
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 15:28
She irritates you so much because she finds the worst vulnerabilities in your arguments and beliefs and drives the point home with maximum force, no apologies, no restraint.

Solution: don't be so hysterically wrong. You know, the naked emperor could always go put some clothes on instead of blustering at impertinence of the little boy.
 
441sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 15:32
no restraint...to the point that there is no validity, no logic and no truth to her statements. SHe drives the point home, with lies...which you apparently eat up like a starving man at a buffet.
 
442Perm Dude
      ID: 5853289
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 15:32
Talk about blaming the victim!

She irritates me (I can't speak for walk) for all the reasons I put forth earlier in this thread: She lies, and she attacks people personally rather than address the issues.

I dunno if you just lack the ability to discern our arguments on this point, or if you just enjoy the drug of seeing people attacked personally and are unwilling to withdraw from it. What would Jesus do? Would he mock a candidate's dead son? Crow about The Bible being a best-seller?
 
443walk
      ID: 75112114
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 15:52
You spoke for me, PD.

Baldwin. Your defense of AC is curious cos you typically are a hawk (not meant in the republican meaning) for details and accuracy and literalness (sic). AC is very loose, at best, with her facts, and very personally mean-spirited in her debating tactics. She's really hard to defend! Unless of course, you know/think she's just an act and you are defending her tactics/shtick cos you find it entertaining. However, IMO, unlike some other political pundits who try to use humor and satire, she seemingly intends to come across as a commentator, not an entertainer, yet behaves like a Michael Richards using the n-word. It just doesn't work/cut it.

It's only fair for me to present my favorite political commentators that use humor: Bill Maher and Henry Rollins. These guys, however, IMO, mock both sides, but of course, will pick on the more incompetent/powerful of the given zeitgeist (in this case, bush/cheney/neocons cos they are doing a lot more harm than the dems) and they are definitely socially liberal in their views (so I am not claiming they are fair & balanced). I would love to see Henry and AC in the same room. He would break her in half, quite literally (quite easily). And he'd be right to do it...but just as he bent her over his knee, she say: "It's just a shtick!" (a bad one), and he'd stop. OK, he wouldn't...he's a (very large) pacifist, but his letter to AC on his show last year was priceless ("...you fcukin' psycho!...)"

- walk
 
444Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 16:32
She irritates you so much because she finds the worst vulnerabilities in your arguments and beliefs and drives the point home with maximum force, no apologies, no restraint.

Could ther ever be a more blatent mischaracterization of reaction to Coulter? What point is driven home by suggesting that the deceased husbands of 9/11 widows wanted to divorce them? Exactly what argument's vulnerability is exposed by mocking someone's physical appearance?
 
445Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 16:37
For Walk:

 
446walk
      ID: 75112114
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 16:41
I think it's almost accurate, MITH, except for the words: "...in your arguments and beliefs." That is, "she finds the worst vulnerabilities and drives the point home..." is pretty much AC's MO. And these vulnerabilities include: deceased spouses from 9/11, deceased sons of political candidates, physical appearances, individuals' names, etc. She might say these vulnerabilities include: "exploit dead husbands to advance a political agenda, exploit dead son to advance a political agenda," and I am stuck on Hillary's legs and the continued reference to Barack Obama as "B. Hussein Obama."

- walk
 
447Baldwin
      ID: 14358177
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 17:07
Ask most conservatives and they totally get the points she is making. You are just focussing on a few over the top remarks. Frankly I find her hysterically funny and extremely accurate in her aim.

Your own cognative dissonance is not somehow evidence that she is wrong.

The fact that you are blocking so hard that you can barely understand a word she says is not somehow evidence that she is wrong.

You guys are holding her to a standard that you never dreamed of holding Molly Ivans to.

Just because you hold the 'sainted' POV shared by the 'respectable' MSM and the ivory tower set, does not actually make your positions respectable or beyond no-holds-barred attack.

I like Mark Steyn's approach slighty better but Ann is right up there on my list.
 
448Perm Dude
      ID: 5853289
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 17:12
Let's make this more clear, B: Molly writes satire. Ann Coulter does not. How do we know this? She said so herself. There are a lot of people whose standard I don't hold Ann to, but you seem to go all relativistic on us when challenged on, well, anything clearly wrong by someone on the Right.

They have a word for people like you: Apologist. Good luck with that.

 
449walk
      ID: 75112114
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 17:17
CognItive dissonance (Festinger, 1951). I cannot read amateur psych stuff. Please.

It seems to be a matter of taste then...very interesting.

- walk
 
450Tree
      ID: 385182816
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 17:27
If you wanna fcuk her, that's fine. I am sure if she were nice(r), she'd be hot(ter) to many others, too... but her comments are nasty, and intended to be so.

huzzah. there's been plenty of beating around the bush on this topic, but THAT is the meat of the matter.

post 445 - when did henry rollins get gray hair and start wearing sweaters??? "Come on Ann, you f*cking psycho, let's do this!"

Ask most conservatives and they totally get the points she is making. You are just focussing on a few over the top remarks.

if by "get the points she is making" you mean "enjoying her hate mongering, enjoys the fact she invents what she considers facts, and , finally, serves as a fodder for conservative bukkake fantasies everywhere," then you are 100 percent correct.
 
451sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 17:27
Ask most conservatives and they totally get the points she is making.


"mob mentality" or mass-ignorance, is no excuse for oyur own double standard.
 
452walk
      ID: 2530286
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 19:12
"beating around the bush...meat of the matter." Very clever, Tree.

Henry = 46 (2.13.61). I saw him about 6 weeks ago, doing the stand-up thing with Janeanne Garofolo and Mark Maron. Very funny. He's got issues, but he's got some great observations. Garofolo and Maron were way funny. Henry's "tee off's" are some of the best socio-political rants on TV.

- walk
 
453biliruben
      ID: 4911361723
      Fri, Jun 29, 2007, 10:14
 
454sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Fri, Jun 29, 2007, 10:28
roflmfao...what a PERFECT description.
 
455Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Fri, Jun 29, 2007, 22:49
Kathy Griffin is my new favorite comedienne.
 
456Wilmer McLean
      ID: 46528303
      Sat, Jun 30, 2007, 04:37
ABC's World News with Charles Gibson
"Just as Coulter has a book to promote this week, Edwards has a fund-raising deadline. Enemies can have their uses."



 
457nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Sat, Jun 30, 2007, 09:31


Baldwin Nope, calling her an greedy whore as you did
counts as a mean-spirited personal attack as well.


A) I don't think I used or implied the word "greedy", it's just
good old capitalism.

B) I said "If I knew I would make that kind of money I would
likely do the same, I don't know if I could resist."

So if I am accusing her of doing something for money, that I
would likely do myself if possible, is it really mean spirited???

Think about it.

If I thought I could make millions off it I would debase my
character just as badly as she does hers so what's the insult? I'm
just honestly posting my observations.

Besides deriding someone for being "mean spirited" when
talking about Coulter is like tongue lashing someone for speking
poorly of Charles Manson.


 
458Doug
      ID: 113132214
      Sat, Jun 30, 2007, 15:39
Well, she's clearly not a journalist, yet you can't really write her off as a comedienne either... she doesn't fit under either jurisdiction. Couple that "uncategorizable" dimension with the way she treats those she disagrees with, and the more I think about it she's very much like the "Dick Cheney of punditry", which sadly she would take as a compliment.
 
459walk
      ID: 2530286
      Sun, Jul 01, 2007, 09:32
LOL, #458, Doug.
- walk
 
460Tree
      ID: 5064919
      Sun, Jul 01, 2007, 13:08
Ann is mad!!!!!



AND she thinks Bill Clinton is a latent homosexual...

 
461Baldwin
      ID: 125312919
      Sun, Jul 01, 2007, 20:07
What is actually going on is that the liberal mob thinks the other side should put forward frontmen like Bob Michel and their opponents think it would be more useful to put forward someone who drives libersls completely out of their minds.
 
462Perm Dude
      ID: 1464918
      Sun, Jul 01, 2007, 21:12
And is that proving to be useful to you?
 
463Baldwin
      ID: 125312919
      Sun, Jul 01, 2007, 21:21
It's more fun than watching that eunach Bob Michel was.
 
464Perm Dude
      ID: 1464918
      Sun, Jul 01, 2007, 21:29
Well, I'll certain grant you that. Coulter is a funny one.

 
465Tree
      ID: 5064919
      Sun, Jul 01, 2007, 22:46
What is actually going on is that the liberal mob thinks the other side should put forward frontmen like Bob Michel and their opponents think it would be more useful to put forward someone who drives libersls completely out of their minds.

wow, you're as out of touch with reality as she is...
 
466WiddleAvi
      ID: 25102616
      Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 21:38
Does her brain ever tell her to keep her mouth shut and not say something ?

Reminds me of last weeks South Park when Cartman says whatever comes to his mind and can't control what he says.
 
467sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 10:03
Does her brain ever tell her to keep her mouth shut and not say something?

In a word? No.
 
468sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 10:04
Link didnt work for some reason. See if this one does...


repost of link from above
 
469Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 16:34
American Jewish Committee
October 12, 2007 - New York - The American Jewish Committee is outraged by Ann Coulter's assertion, on Donny Deutsch's CNBC show "The Big Idea", that Jews require "perfecting" by becoming Christians.

"Ms. Coulter's assertion that Jews are somehow religiously imperfect smacks of the most odious anti-Jewish sentiment," said AJC President Richard J. Sideman.

While appearing on "The Big Idea", Coulter noted that Judaism should be discarded, that Jews required Christianity to be "perfected", and that Christianity had a "fast track" to God.

"One would think she would know better than to utter such intolerant words," said Sideman.

 
470Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 16:37
ADL
New York, NY, October 12, 2007 ... The Anti-Defamation League strongly condemns Ann Coulter for her anti-Semitic comment that Christians "want Jews to be perfected" in an interview with Donny Deutsch on CNBC's "The Big Idea." During her October 8 appearance, Coulter suggested that Jews should convert, adding that, "we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. … That's what Christianity is."

Ann Coulter may be a political pundit but she clearly knows very little about religious theology and interfaith issues. Coulter's remarks are outrageous, offensive and a throwback to the centuries-old teaching of contempt for Jews and Judaism. The notion that Jews are religiously inferior or imperfect because they do not accept Christian beliefs was the basis for 2,000 years of church-based anti-Semitism. While she is entitled to her beliefs, using mainstream media to espouse the idea that Judaism needs to be replaced with Christianity and that each individual Jew is somehow deficient and needs to be "perfected," is rank Christian supersessionism and has been rejected by the Catholic Church and the vast majority of mainstream Christian denominations.

Clearly, Ann Coulter needs a wake-up call about the power of words to injure others and fuel hatred. She needs an education, too, about the roots of anti-Semitism and the shared values of Judaism and Christianity. Christians and Jews have worked tirelessly for more than 40 years to overcome the past and to promote a more tolerant and pluralistic vision for the future and especially for America.

Donny Deutsch is to be commended for his immediate and forceful denunciation of Coulter's statements, for calling her remarks personally offensive, and for rightly characterizing her suggestion that Jews are inferior to Christians as anti-Semitism.
 
471Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 16:41
Becky Garrison at BeliefNet
Friday, October 12, 2007
Ann Coulter is to Christianity as … (by Becky Garrison)
Here's an intriguing SAT-style question.

Ann Coulter is to Christianity as …

(A) Dr. James Dobson is to Sponge Bob Square Pants
(B) The new thought movement is to common sense
(C) Marilyn Manson is to Satanism
(D) Dick Cheney is to gun control
(E) Richard Dawkins is to reasoned debate


The correct answer is C. Both Ann and Marilyn found a profitable way to utilize religion as a provocative tool to feed their cash cow. Ann appeals to the base instincts of her rabid followers that right makes (Christian) might. Conversely, Marilyn attracts the kids of control freak parents who want to rebel from what can best be described as a rigid and repressive regime. I'll let the Satanists deal with Marilyn Manson, but please, do not interpret Coulter's trademark viciousness and venom as viable Christian virtues.

I thought when I reported on Coulter's "faggot" comment that this political pundit committed career suicide. But I was wrong. But given that even Fox News condemned the latest Coulter snafu blasting the Jews, one can hope that she will be off the airways for good.
 
472Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 17:24
if she had said the same thing about African-Americans, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would have had her off the air already...

this is MUCH worse than what Don Imus said. she needs to be off the air now.

curious as to Baldwin's thought - and honestly, i expect nothing less than a defense of her - on Coulter's words.
 
473Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 19:12
if she had said the same thing about African-Americans, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would have had her off the air already

I'm actually pretty sure that she has, effectively. And as far as I know, she's not "on the air".
 
474Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 19:23
In the "B\TCH is back" thread I said, "I don’t think the mainstream liberal media will have any impact. In fact, I think the right’s disdain for the liberal media might even result in a pro-Coulter backlash effect if the major network and print outlets run with this story."

I think the same would be largely true of any Sharpton/Jackson led movement. There might a chance to seriously marginalize her if a call from came from a broad and very public Jewish consensus that includes conservative Jews. But unfortunately, there will be enough Jewish conservatives like David Horowitz who will jump to her defense.
 
475Baldwin
      ID: 125312919
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 21:33
curious as to Baldwin's thought - and honestly, i expect nothing less than a defense of her - on Coulter's words. - Tree

The mission of Christians, the explicit commission was to make disciples of all who were teachable and honest hearted. The point is to make people who are prepared to be citizens of God's Kingdom.

Jews are certainly not exempted from that pool of possible disciples. Her comment seems like a natural fact.
 
476Tree
      ID: 239571217
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 21:38
nice to know you were that predictable. bigots just don't change their stripes.
 
477Baldwin
      ID: 125312919
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 21:42
Kinda hard to follow your, "I'm ok, You're ok" policy when you are rescuing people from a burning building or a sinking ship.

They aren't OK and trying to rescue them doesn't make you a biggot.
 
478Perm Dude
      ID: 1951116
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 21:46
That's not what she said though, Baldwin. She said they needed to be "perfected" meaning, of course, that once they were Christian they would be perfect. Are you aware of any Christian sects which teach that, once converted, you are perfect?

It is her word, not a Christian one. And it is the wrong one to use. Being a Christian puts you on the path to salvation. It doesn't make you perfect.
 
479Baldwin
      ID: 125312919
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 21:54
It puts you on the road, PD.
 
480Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 21:56
I wouldn't conclude that the comment confirms she is an antisematic bigot. And I'm quite sure that Baldwin isn't one, either.
 
482Baldwin
      ID: 125312919
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 22:04
The theme of the Bible or one way to put it, Milton's, was "From Paradise Lost to Paradise Restored". We all need to be on that road back to perfection. Won't get here till after God's Kingdom reaches all fullness, but we all need to be on that road.
 
483Perm Dude
      ID: 1951116
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 22:23
That's not what I'm arguing against, Baldwin. I'm saying Coulter is two things Christians should not be: Militant and arrogant.
 
484Perm Dude
      ID: 1951116
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 22:24
So let's just say she's getting her reward down here.
 
485Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 22:24
Complete transcript
COULTER: "...I don't think you should take it that way, but that is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews."

"...you have to follow laws. Ours is "Christ died for our sins. We consider ourselves perfected Christians."
Care to comment on her grasp of the faith, B?


DEUTSCH: "That isn't what I said, but you said I should not – we should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians, then, or – "

COULTER: "Yeah."
Or the grace and civility with which she shares the Good News?
 
486WiddleAvi
      ID: 25102616
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 23:48
Baldwin - Does Christianity believe in showing respect for other people? Do you think what she said might actually get someone to convert? It is one thing to go to people and try and talk to them and another to do what she did.

I love what she said that Jews have to follow rules but Christians have a fast track. In other words it doesn't matter what you do (is there no accountability for your action?) you go to heaven.
 
487Boxman
      ID: 571114225
      Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 06:05
Coulter responded: "No. I'm sorry. It is not intended to be. I don't think you should take it that way, but that is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews. We believe the Old Testament. As you know from the Old Testament, God was constantly getting fed up with humans for not being able to live up to all the laws. What Christians believe – this is just a statement of what the New Testament is – is that that's why Christ came and died for our sins. Christians believe the Old Testament. You don't believe our testament."

I don't consider myself a "perfected" anything and a good Christian wouldn't consider themself that either. We're all sinners seeking God's forgiveness. There is only one Perfect Being, Allmighty God.
 
488Baldwin
      ID: 125312919
      Sun, Oct 14, 2007, 17:59
PD

God's standards for who are true Christians in today's world include having acted on Rev 18:4
“Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues
So I am not even calling Coulter a Christian. Her words are none-the-less factually accurate and being perfectly true should not be controversial, and anyone not thinking with their amygdala should understand that.
 
489Baldwin
      ID: 125312919
      Sun, Oct 14, 2007, 18:22
WiddleAvi

While she wasn't seasoning the meal properly for the guests, perhaps...I am a big believer that honest hearted people will recognize the truth when they hear it, even if the delivery is imperfect.

What she was getting at is that one of the points of God setting up the Jewish System was to make evident that imperfect man needs more than just a set of laws. It was a shadow of things to come. The Hebrew scriptures actually predict a new law agreement with God in which the laws would be written on the hearts of men instead of scrolls.

Christians have the advantage of that new legal agreement, lives motivated by love and conscience instead of legalism, Jesus life and example, a perfect acceptable sacrifice that no Jew can present God while staying in the Jewish system.
 
490Perm Dude
      ID: 159551417
      Sun, Oct 14, 2007, 20:00
Baldwin, I understand the points you are making, but (as before) you are trying to apologize for a woman who has stated before that no such spin need be applied.

Fair enough not calling her a Christian, but I think you'd probably say the same about MBJ and I so I think I'll take that with a grain of salt.
 
491Baldwin
      ID: 125312919
      Sun, Oct 14, 2007, 20:03
I am not apologizing. Why would she need an apolgist for her speaking a truth?
 
492Perm Dude
      ID: 159551417
      Sun, Oct 14, 2007, 21:29
Offering to spin her take is being an apologist, Baldwin. She says Jews need to be "perfected." Implying that she already is.
 
493Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Sun, Oct 14, 2007, 21:38
She isn't implying anything. She's explicit:
"We consider ourselves perfected Christians."
 
494bibA
      Leader
      ID: 261028117
      Sun, Oct 14, 2007, 22:36
Baldwin, out of curiosity, I wonder where my family situation stands.

My daughter (an agnostic), is married to a Jew. So, I would like to know if my two grandchildren (ages 1 and 3), are wholly imperfect, half imperfect, or just good kids in the eyes of your God.
 
495Tree
      ID: 249501420
      Sun, Oct 14, 2007, 22:55
Christians have the advantage of that new legal agreement, lives motivated by love and conscience instead of legalism, Jesus life and example, a perfect acceptable sacrifice that no Jew can present God while staying in the Jewish system.

wow. just wow. what an intolerant belief system.
 
496Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 06:54
Tree, its not that I don't take any issue with what she says but I don't see how any of it is at all indicative of intolerance.
 
497Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 08:49
it was more a comment on Baldwin's statement (as quoted), then what Coulter said. it's proclaiming a system of inequality, of claiming you are better than someone else because they don't have the same god as you.

it's just not something i subscribe to. i consider everyone equal regardless of religion or religious belief system.
 
498Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 09:25
claiming you are better than someone else because they don't have the same god as you.

It is basic to almost every religion that their belief system and practices most accurately reflect God's preferences and therefore provide them with greater favor from Him. Comparing your own beliefs to this is mostly irrelevant, since, like me, you lead a primarily secular lifestyle. Unless you are prepared to describe all Jews, Christians and Muslims who strictly adhere to the teachings of their religion as intolerant, I don't believe you've thought your opinion through.
And even then, you'll have to really stretch the meaning of intolerance to make it apply.
 
499walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 13:30
Yeah, I didn't like Coulter's comments either, being Jewish. But my Jewishness is cultural. I don't believe in god. So, I disagree with her and other religious believers on several grounds. First the equality thing and second the mootness of the discussion (there is no god). This is really besides the bigger social point I'd make below.

I wish Coulter would tone down or just quit her shtick, but her provocative shock jockette approach is what gets her noticed and what sells books. It's just immoral. She has no qualms being incredibly blunt and verbally abusive for the sake of making headlines and $.

I don't believe she believes what she's saying; it's all a part of her act. However, I do believe that many others listen to such rhetoric and go "yeah!" and it reinforces the wrong messages. Perhaps Baldwin is sophisticated enough to incoporate those comments in the proper religious context, but I think a lot of other folks interpret it as a superiority thing and others conversely interpret as an insult suggesting an inferiorty thing. At the end of the day, such comments do more harm than good cos a good number of folks are offended whereas a good number of other folks get public validation for their bigoted views. There's lots of intolerance and hatred and animosity when it comes to race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. Any provocative public behavior, like Coulter's, that exacerbates ill-will, be it intentional or not, is just way uncool.
 
500walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 14:18
A random blog on the coulter's comments

I'm sure there's lotsa blogs out there on this, but I found this one interesting cos it takes the Jewish view (i.e. instead of/in addition to asking a Christian like Baldwin if Coulter is accurate, ask a Jewish person if they see her words as being anti-semitic). Just because her words could be construed/interpreted as "accurate" does not mean it's "okay" if it's perceived as offensive to others. There are other standards and values involved, and that should include appropriate ways to express an appreciation for one's ways of life without denigrating others'.
 
501Baldwin
      ID: 125312919
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 23:39
biba

You obviously haven't a clue what I am talking about.

You either have a relationship with God or not. Nationality or geneology no longer have any bearing on that one way or the other.
 
502Tree
      ID: 219471516
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 23:43
You either have a relationship with God or not. Nationality or geneology no longer have any bearing on that one way or the other.

and having a relationship with God doesn't make you any better, or any worse, than anyone else, despite what Coulter and the fools who defend her tell you.
 
503Baldwin
      ID: 125312919
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 23:47
BTW I think we are ignoring the point that the radio host was baiting Coulter. She would say the same thing about Sihks or Buhddists or Unitarians for that matter, prolly.

Much in the same way that Tree was baiting me in this thread. He had no interest in anything I would say. Just couldn't wait to play the biggot card no matter what I said in the same way a Sharpton or Jesse Jackson are gonna play the race card in any situation.
 
504Perm Dude
      ID: 1948158
      Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 23:55
I don't think we're ignoring it. I think we find it to be moot. And no, I don't think she would say the same thing about other religions, since Christianity does not have a Sihk, Buddhist, or other religious foundation.

In speaking of other religious traditions Coulter might be similar in her superiority and smugness (qualities in Sen Clinton which drives you nuts, ironically). But her response to the question of Jewishness was based upon her own beliefs of Jewishness (asked by a Jew).
 
505Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 00:20
Tree, almost every religion claims to be the enlightened or only path to paradise. Are you not aware of this?

Everyone with a strong opinion on the matter thinks his/her system is better than everyone else's. That's why they put their faith in them.

Its simple logic. Faith means that you believe you are more enlightened than non-believers. It has to mean that or it isn't faith.

Accepting differences in such primal beliefs (for example that one's faith and way of life are truer or better than others) is the whole point of tolerance.

By trashing everyone who possesses such faith (or who isn't afraid to say it outloud) you're making yourself the most religiously intolerant person here.
 
506Baldwin
      ID: 125312919
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 00:27
I think you are [typical for a liberal] trying to manufacture outrage where no basis exists. There is no reason whatsoever to believe she thinks Jews need more perfecting than anyone else does.

In fact she would probably say other non-christians didn't even have that going for them. They didn't need perfecting, they needed to start from scratch.
 
507Baldwin
      ID: 125312919
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 00:28
506 responding to PD's 504
 
508Perm Dude
      ID: 1948158
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 01:06
she would probably say

This is typical for you Baldwin--trying to put more palatable words into her mouth. You (or I, for that matter) have no idea what she would or would not say.
 
509Baldwin
      ID: 125312919
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 05:25
I have no idea what my favorite pundit would say?
 
510Tree
      ID: 25937164
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 06:45
Tree, almost every religion claims to be the enlightened or only path to paradise. Are you not aware of this?

and i've got a problem with it in every religion. that's my main problem with organized religion.

but some actively go converting, while others don't, and most people i know don't go around spouting off that their religion is the best, and the other one's aren't nearly as good. they go and pray in their chosen house of worship, and don't feel the need to convert or belittle others.
 
511WiddleAvi
      ID: 25102616
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 08:12
Not to change the subject but......Judaism does not believe you need to be jewish to go to heaven. Don't know what other religions believe.
 
512J-Bar
      ID: 569331511
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 08:31
a real perspective
 
513Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 08:59
re post 512:

well, since you felt the need to pollute the board in two different places with that, i'll refute it in both places.

Levin's response is hardly a "real" perspective, unless you're throwing your support behind a man who has advocated violence against homosexuals and has no problem working for men who have made anti-Semitic comments themselves.

it's really hard to take at face value someone's opinions on anti-Semitism when they have the history Levin does.

it was only a matter of time before he chimed in. that's the same Yehuda Levin who had tried to get a Gay Pride parade banned in Jerusalem, and worked on the political campaign of Pat Buchanan, no stranger to anti-Semitic comments himself.

in regard to the parade, Levin said "I promise there's going to be bloodshed - not just on that day, but for months afterward."

oh yea, and it oughta be mentioned that not only has Levin claimed that Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment against sinful Americans, but - wait for it, and you probably know where this is going based on the Katrina comment and his homophobia - Yehuda Levin has worked hand in hand with the ever-bubbly Reverend Fred Phelps.

Yehuda Levin is a piece of $hit, and his words hold no water for this Jew.


 
514Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 09:16
Judaism does not believe you need to be jewish to go to heaven.

If, as Tree claims, faith in Christianity as the true path to salvation means that Christians think they are better than others than the concept of being "God's chosen people" means it as well.

Don't know what other religions believe.

In Christianity, it depends on the particular brand you subscribe to. Ann states clearly that according to her brand, you don't have to be a Christian but it puts you on the "fast track".
 
515J-Bar
      ID: 14461512
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 10:55
so this man that speaks for 1000 rabbis is incompetent to judge if something is "anti-semitic" *sigh*
 
516Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 10:59
If, as Tree claims, faith in Christianity as the true path to salvation means that Christians think they are better than others than the concept of being "God's chosen people" means it as well.

absolutely not.

God's Chosen People has little, if anything, to do with Heaven, and everything to do with the ancient Israelites accepting a Covenant with God, and agreeing to follow His laws.

In the Old Testament, this first comes up (i think) in Exodus. on the contrary, there is almost no mention of Heaven in the Old Testament.

in fact, if my decades-old Hebrew School memory is recollecting correctly, when people died in the Old Testament, they went to a place called Shoel, which was actually in the center of the earth.
 
517sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 11:02
re 515...Phelps speaks for over 1,000 too. Doesnt make him worth listening to.
 
518Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 11:09
Its actually comical to witness how your own intolerance prevents you from understanding the meaning of the word, and that you very much espouse it.
 
519Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:03
so this man that speaks for 1000 rabbis is incompetent to judge if something is "anti-semitic" *sigh*

who he speaks for is not relevant. his credentials, are.

Bin-Laden speaks for thousands - does that make him competent to make judgements on whether something is anti-Islam?
 
520Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:31
God's Chosen People has little, if anything, to do with Heaven...

So the perception of enlightenment only becomes hate when applied to the path to the afterlife? Your issue was about people thinking they are better than others. It isn't better to be God's chosen than to not be God's chosen?

What does the Torah say?
Deuteronomy 7: 6 "For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God; the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth...."

Deuteronomy 10: 15 "... The Lord had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and He chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day."

Isaiah 41: 8 "But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend. 9: Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away."

2 Chronicles 20: 7 "Art not thou our God, who didst drive out the inhabitants of this land before thy people Israel, and gavest it to the seed of Abraham thy friend for ever?"
...and everything to do with the ancient Israelites accepting a Covenant with God, and agreeing to follow His laws.

Even I know that that's only half of it. The Hebrews are God's also chose people because it is from them that the messiah will (or has) come.

if my decades-old Hebrew School memory is recollecting correctly, when people died in the Old Testament, they went to a place called Shoel

Says here Sheol is usually associated with Gehinnom, which is probably the least pleasent afterlife described in Jewish dogma.

And this says Gan Eden is "the "place" where the righteous receive their reward in the "World-to-Come.""
 
521J-Bar
      ID: 569331511
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:38
i didn't know that phelps spoke for a thousand rabbis thanks Sarge
 
522sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 12:40
YW...but I dont believe I said or inferred that he spoke for any nr of Rabbis. I simply said he spoke for over 1,000. 1,000 what exactly...I leave to you.
 
523J-Bar
      ID: 569331511
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 13:02
if i say that Levin speaks for 1000 rabbis and you say phelps speaks for 1000 too
i believe there is an inference but i will accept your clarification
 
524Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 13:53
what about my statement J-bar? simply speaking for a number of people doesn't mean you have expertise or common sense...
 
525walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 15:28
coulter's explanation a few days later
 
526Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 15:42
ah...the Baldwin school of (no) apologies....
 
527Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 15:47
we consider, when Jews become Christians, that is becoming a perfected Jew. And that is precisely the theological term.
Sure wish someone could point me to that reference.
 
528sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 15:50
to her devotees, it makes no diff whether it is indeed "the theological term" or isnt. She said it is, and thus to/for them...it is.
 
529boikin
      ID: 59831214
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 16:05
i have been reading this thread for about 30 minutes trying to figure out what everyone is arguing about and all i could find was this great quote:

I tried to explain who Donny Deutsch was. He has a show on CNBC -- nobody watches it. It gets probably the lowest ratings since the John McEnroe show

then i relized that this thread had achieved its goal to build up coulter's ego up so she can go around saying more idiotic things creating more future idioticacies and building her ego up even more.
 
531walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 16:24
Perfecting AC
 
532biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 17:41
Ack!

The Dark Lord's mistress appeared at the top of this forum and scared the bejezzus out of me!

 
533Baldwin
      ID: 4610171922
      Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 03:55
that is precisely the theological term.

Sure wish someone could point me to that - reference. - MITH
39 And yet all these [previously listed faithful pre-christian era patriarchs - B], although they had witness borne to them through their faith, did not get the [fulfillment of the] promise, 40 as God foresaw something better for us, in order that they might not be made perfect apart from us.

12 So, then, because we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also put off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. - Hebrews 11:39 - 12:1
No charge
 
534Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 10:36
 
535Jag
      ID: 360261522
      Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 11:18
Nice pull, Mith. I heard about this, but hadn't seen it. Unbelievable.
 
536Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 13:01
i think Baldwin just filed for a divorce from his once deep love...
 
537biliruben
      ID: 4911361723
      Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 13:10
Zoinks! McCain and the GOP begged her to do that.
 
538Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 13:16
I don't think for a nanosecond that she's lying when she says she'd vote for Hillary over McCain. Which is better for her career?
 
539Pancho Villa
      ID: 47161721
      Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 13:26
Why wouldn't Coulter back Hillary? After all, Hillary is the candidate getting the highest number of financial contributions from the defense industry, so she'll be beholden to keep that "defense" budget growing, even if it has nothing to do with defense, which has been a Republican principle for decades.
 
540walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 13:56
538, MITH, good one, and valid.
 
541Boldwin
      ID: 1055190
      Fri, Feb 01, 2008, 14:16
McCain is so bad that it can even lead to that.

Very interesting points and as I've stated, McCain literally wants to kick out the energetic backbone of the republican party from the party, all the while disingenously posing as the most conservative candidate until after the primaries when he will resume his torid romance with the left and the MSM.

Put that up against a Hillary who will drive money to and energize the conservative base like nothing else ever could and you start to understand AC's position.

One last point is that Hillary is every bit the power elite handpuppet that Bush is and if you like that illuminati flavoring [as AC has not exactly figured it out] then she has that going for her as well. This is why Hillary would have found a way to dance the same wardance Bush did.
 
542Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 14:04
Might have something to do with energizing the conservative base but Ann is adamant that Hillary is specifically more conservative on the issues than McCain.

B calls her a satirist. Trying to find the satire in all this.
 
543angryCHAIR
      ID: 29955918
      Sat, Feb 02, 2008, 14:53
Hannity just lost his mind!

Go Obama!
 
545Boldwin
      ID: 1055190
      Sun, Feb 03, 2008, 07:49
I think it's only the WoT that she feels Hillary is [stealth] more reliable on.

This one isn't satire.

In much the same way that marxists managed to boot out the classical liberals from the Dem party in '68 and so distort the Kennedy legacy that Dems can't even believe their eyes and ears when they go over his speeches...

...The corrupting power elite are poised to boot out conservatives from the Republican party and so distort the Reagan legacy that the average man loses grip on what he actually stood for.

This one is for the soul of the Republican party and the fate of the USA, whether the USA will become a country of two globalist socialist mainstream political parties.

Already the manchurian candidate stands at the gate fresh from his east asian communist prison.

Ann couldn't have found a better way to demonstrate to her supporters how critical she feels stopping McCain is at this point in time.
 
546Boldwin
      ID: 1055190
      Sun, Feb 03, 2008, 08:42
Of course a less astute person might conclude that AC was just damning Hillary with praise and so was the NYT in endorsing McCain. Driving their supporters into casting a sidelong glance at their vehicle...

But no, the NYT really does want to see McCain in power...of the Republican machinery, and AC really would rather see Hillary than McCain in the WH.
 
547Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Sun, Feb 03, 2008, 10:28
Bah. She knows that the best thing that could ever happen to her career and her sense of self-worth is President Hillary.
 
548Boldwin
      ID: 1055190
      Sun, Feb 03, 2008, 14:18
You think she as unprincipled as a liberal...that's projection for ya.
 
549Boldwin
      ID: 225162520
      Wed, Jun 27, 2012, 09:12
Addressing the idiotic title of this thread...



no
 
550Boldwin
      ID: 225162520
      Wed, Jun 27, 2012, 09:32
While we are at it...

 
552Boldwin
      ID: 225162520
      Wed, Jun 27, 2012, 09:33
 
553Boldwin
      ID: 225162520
      Wed, Jun 27, 2012, 09:36
 
554Boldwin
      ID: 225162520
      Wed, Jun 27, 2012, 09:39
 
555Boldwin
      ID: 225162520
      Wed, Jun 27, 2012, 09:48
After looking too many times at the tsunami of misogynistic sh!+ flowing at her daily it's about time I stood up and took her attackers head on on this issue...

...Tree's inevitable projections be damned. The lady deserves a defender.
 
556Boldwin
      ID: 225162520
      Wed, Jun 27, 2012, 09:55
And frankly when is she ever gonna get her due for not getting the full boat makeup makeover? She could be nigh into Megan Kelly territory and then the exact same misogynists would be claiming she was trying to sell her ideas with her...

These would be the same ones that like to post...'haters gonna hate'...it is to laff.
 
557Frick
      ID: 14082314
      Wed, Jun 27, 2012, 11:03
So if she didn't fit the standard (and have a lot of plastic surgery) would she still be worthy of defending?

 
558Tree
      ID: 17039238
      Wed, Jun 27, 2012, 11:04
was it good for you?
 
559DWetzel
      ID: 49962710
      Wed, Jun 27, 2012, 11:23
"Please. That kind of surgery can be done over the weekend! But I doubt very much that he could find the time during his busy schedule to get rid of big old Mr. Knish!"

(Seriously, don't really care one way or the other, just felt that one appropriate.)
 
560Boldwin
      ID: 205542912
      Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 19:34
I see I have indeed been the victim of misdirection. The real question isn't about the lovely Ann Coulter. The real question is what has set off her haters in their quest? What has set them off to correct a dirth of knish in their life, so much so that their imaginations must call upon Dr Frankenstein to correct the lack? Why is it they keep on searching for Mr Goodbar in all the wrong places?
 
561sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 19:38
We arent B. We are mocking your idolatry of her.
 
562Mith
      ID: 6542817
      Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 20:58
I've seen her in person. Those photos are highly flattering.
 
563Frick
      ID: 52182321
      Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 22:10
Ouch.
 
564Pancho Villa
      ID: 597172916
      Fri, Jun 29, 2012, 22:30
The real question is what has set off her haters in their quest?

Asked by the guy who said of Katie Couric,

She can be seen hardly able to restrain herself from actual boot-licking and submissive urination.

then patted himself on the back by saying,

One of my favorite and most telling and accurate sentences ever.

The real question is why you think you have any credibility as a political analyst.
 
565Boldwin
      ID: 205542912
      Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 06:25
If I wasn't any good at it, I wouldn't be be driving you crazy and you wouldn't be following me around in your spare time attempting to refute me.
 
566Tree
      ID: 53555306
      Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 07:56
You're not driving anyone crazy. Your messiah complex is at the very least, highly entertaining, and at this point we're pretty much just rolling our eyes at you and laughing at the crazy guy.
 
567Boldwin
      ID: 205542912
      Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 09:43
And just look at the trolls! Do you know anyone else who can attract such a large harem of trolls?
 
568Pancho Villa
      ID: 597172916
      Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 10:58
Do you know anyone else who can attract such a large harem of trolls?

Really? This is your idea of intelligent political discussion? You didn't address your hateful comments concerning Katie Couric. You dismissed it and made it about you. Guess what? You're not a politcal news item. You attract negative responses because you post controversial and provacative BS that screams to be refuted, which takes about a nano-second of my spare time.
The joke here is that you are the one who would be driven crazy if your fellow posters(trolls to you)simply ignored you.

 
569DWetzel
      ID: 31111810
      Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 14:21
"Do you know anyone else who can attract such a large harem of trolls?"

I'm going to go with Ann Coulter, for one.
 
570Tree
      ID: 17039238
      Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 15:49
FTW. twice in a row.
 
571Boldwin
      ID: 205542912
      Sat, Jun 30, 2012, 15:52
you are the one who would be driven crazy if your fellow posters(trolls to you)simply ignored you.

Oh, please, let's put that one to a test. A really long one.
 
572Boldwin
      ID: 49572022
      Wed, Jul 22, 2015, 16:36
I love that liberals are such girls that I look manly to them. - Ann Coulter
 
573biliruben
      ID: 28420307
      Thu, Jul 23, 2015, 10:47
You know that makes no sense, right?

It's like in my kid's book, when the bully says "I'm the mayor of stupid town, and I'm gonna present you with the key to the city!" "Wait..."

Saw The Ann in Sharknado III last night, while having a nightcap. Almost stayed for a second drink to see if she'd get eaten. The sharks could somehow sense they wouldn't get much besides sharp bones and botox.
 
574biliruben
      ID: 28420307
      Thu, Jul 23, 2015, 12:15


The Hulk living a fantasy. "Maybe if I snap it's pencil neck, it will stop saying nasty things..."

I highly recommend Sharknado III "Oh Hell no!", for all you fantasy oriented Ann lovers though. She plays the Vice President! Baldwin would have to change his undies after.