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Subject: Welcome To UCanaMex


  Posted by: Boldwin - [198442717] Wed, Sep 27, 2006, 19:44

Might as well come up with a name for your new country, at least until total world government arrives.

Nation Building local style

International consortiums to build USA infrastrcture and charge you tolls to use your own infrastructure including the new UCanaMex backbone, namely the North American Supercorridor, an 8 lane [4x2] tollroad.
 
1Matt S
      ID: 45621302
      Thu, Sep 28, 2006, 13:54
Boldwin, I really question the source of some of these articles. Worldnetdaily.com sports ads with the following content:

"The Truth about Mohammad; The bloody life and vicsious teachings of Mohammad, the founder of the world's most violent religion"

"The problem with Islam"

"Zion Oil and gas"

An anti liberal t-shirt company

A radiation keychain (to warn you of that nuclear bomb that just exploded of course!)

I'm sorry, but I'll take anything from a websie like that with a grain of salt.
 
2Tree
      ID: 1411442914
      Thu, Sep 28, 2006, 14:15
Matt S - you're not alone. you're just kinda new here. lol

long ago, World Net Daily was dismissed as a reputable source by everyone except the most blind of the flock.
 
3The Treasonists
      Donor
      ID: 171572711
      Thu, Sep 28, 2006, 14:48
Yes, the old debunked in a previous thread excuse.
 
4sarge33rd
      ID: 257222410
      Thu, Sep 28, 2006, 14:54
actually, WND has been found to be so full of bunk, that it couldnt be "debunked", simply discarded.
 
5Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 49848118
      Thu, Sep 28, 2006, 15:38
Agreed WND is a biased, agenda-driven source for information. But that doesn't mean they only print lies or that something is untrue simply because it appears at their site. It just means that their material should be considered with greater scrutiny.

For the record I posted some info on the planned Supercorridor 3 months ago (see post 38 here).
 
6The Treasonists
      Donor
      ID: 171572711
      Thu, Sep 28, 2006, 16:09
Mr. Mattinglyinthehall : That's the most sensible post you've ever made. I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks.

 
7Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 49848118
      Thu, Sep 28, 2006, 16:22
Treasonists you'll rarely see me defend WND and probably never see me source them (I'll always try to find a source with a more credible perspective and if WND is the only one reporting it, I will personally question the validity of the report).

But in this case I knew about the plans for the superhighway and obviously had seen information on it elsewhere, which led to my point that the story being found at WND doesn't make it untrue.

That said, I'll note, but not likely assign much weight to Jerome Corsi's perspective that this is part of "a 'shadow' trilateral bureaucracy with Mexico and Canada that is aggressively rewriting a wide range of U.S. administrative law, all without congressional oversight or public disclosure."
 
8sarge33rd
      ID: 257222410
      Thu, Sep 28, 2006, 16:54
...aggressively rewriting a wide range of U.S. administrative law, all without congressional oversight or public disclosure."

we dont need Canada and/or Mexico to do that. Shrub is doing a fine job of that as we type.
 
9Boldwin
      ID: 488182822
      Fri, Sep 29, 2006, 00:18
Notice the pattern. They always refuse to deal with the issue prefering to shoot the messenger and then sooner or later someone comes along with a "so what if it's true" post.

 
10Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 374522815
      Fri, Sep 29, 2006, 07:16
sooner or later someone comes along with a "so what if it's true" post.

Hope you're not mischaracterizing me with that.
 
11Tree
      ID: 25811296
      Fri, Sep 29, 2006, 08:13
They always refuse to deal with the issue prefering to shoot the messenger

no one is shooting the messenger. just saying that WND is hardly a reputable source.

just because they happen to get the facts right once in awhile doesn't mean that they are any more reputable, especially when much of the content is flawed.
 
12Matt S
      ID: 45621302
      Fri, Sep 29, 2006, 14:33
US to assert power in the Arctic

So we have coast guard boats in the great lakes now armed with machine guns, lookout towers on the border, heat sensoring on the border, border ID cards and calls for more assertiveness in Canadian waters.

Give me one reason Canadians should view the US as their "friends". Give me one reason Canadians should be participating in America's "War on Terror". Give me one reason, the Canadian Navy should not station warships in the Northwest Passage and mine the waters.

 
13sarge33rd
      ID: 257222410
      Fri, Sep 29, 2006, 14:36
Canada has warships? ;)
 
14bibA
      Sustainer
      ID: 261028117
      Fri, Sep 29, 2006, 14:52
Matt - Get a grip! If the US were to ignore the borders along the north-west passage, illegal aliens and terrorists would come across in droves. They would continue on down through Canada to the US without impediment, where they would be allowed to easily cross that border.....maybe we need a wall there....
 
15Matt S
      ID: 33644316
      Fri, Sep 29, 2006, 16:04
Canada has warships? ;)

Actually, in private we call them 'rust buckets with potato guns' but to anyone else they're 'big scary warships'. ;-)

bibA - Ahh yes. The terrorists will take control of the waters if the US doesn't! Wait, are the Inuit on the US list of terrorist organizations? Let me look...
 
16Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 49848118
      Fri, Sep 29, 2006, 16:15
I think its a bit alarmist to say that terrorists would come across in droves but there is an increased reason to keep borders more secure.

What do you know about the Northwest Passage dispute? Is it your opinion that Canada rightfully has claim? If so, why?
 
17Matt S
      ID: 33644316
      Fri, Sep 29, 2006, 17:10
The United Nations Conference of the Sea - Territorial waters extend 12 nautical miles from shorline. Much of the Northwest Passage is far narrower than 24 nautical miles.
 
18Matt S
      ID: 33644316
      Fri, Sep 29, 2006, 17:29
MITH - It's not a question if "legally" they are Canadian waters. It's a matter of whether any other nation or body sees it in their interest to reckognize them as Canadian waters.

I don't think the US would look kindly upon foreign navy vessels zig-zagging through the Hawaiian archepelagio. I don't think the Japanese would enjoy foreign navies passing between their islands either.

It's a matter of respect. It appears that the US government doesn't respect Canadian sovereignty enough to observe our claim to the waterways in our arctic archipelagio.
 
19Tree
      ID: 12842301
      Sat, Sep 30, 2006, 03:45
Give me one reason Canadians should view the US as their "friends".

because you don't want to be the 51st state?
 
20Boxman
      ID: 427471614
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 13:40
Lookout Matt, we're comin' for you next. Stock up on the canned goods and ammunition cause Uncle Sam is gonna flex his military muscles all over you.



 
21boikin
      ID: 59831214
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 13:47
didn't john candy allready make this movie?
 
22Matt S
      ID: 45621302
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 14:45
Well, judging by the US's recent history of resource driven imperialism, and a military buildup along our border I don't understand your evident sarcasm.
 
23boikin
      ID: 59831214
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 14:47
Matt is this your oppionion of the US or is this more national wide idea in canada?
 
24Tree
      ID: 0944212
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 14:55
i'm viewing Matt's comments as an impeding pre-emptive attack, so i'm all for turning Canada into Canuckaparanoiawillannoyya, and making it a homeland for all native peoples.

this will, of course, be in honor of Canada's long history of complete respect for, and no mistreatment of Native People whatsoever.

get off your f*cking high and mighty horse, and start looking within your own country before you start acting like mine isn't worthy of yours.

if you need places to start your research, you can look at the Salish who were "encouraged" to leave the Kitsilano area of Vancouver, because they were getting too close to a "white" neighborhood; the Indians of Fort St. John forced to move around WW II, to make room for returning Veterans; the Natives forced to move because of the Williston Lake Project; and Stulgate Reserve Indians who were forced to move because Canada's version of the Bureau of Indian Affairs felt they were to remote to "administrate."

maybe there is something to your request to not view us as "friends". i mean, heck, you guys pretty much practice Apartheid. :o) not sure if i want to be friends with someone like that.
 
25boikin
      ID: 59831214
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 15:11
tree you are right on that one, but what country in the western hemisphere is not guilty of mistreatment of natives. i am not sure it is relitive to discussion whether or not canada's soverity is being threated by the USA.
 
26Boxman
      ID: 427471614
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 15:13
Matt, I'd really watch out. We're in the advanced stages of planning to eliminate your country.

 
27Matt S
      ID: 45621302
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 21:18
Tree - You have the attention span of a 3 year old. What the hell do Aboriginal affairs have to do with the US coast guard deciding to arm their boats with machine guns? ...with the plan to construct massive watchtowers along the border? The "longest undefended border in the world" Something we are meant to be proud of...is now being militarized. Why? Because of the terrorists? Do you have any idea how insulting that sounds?

High horse? I'm speaking of blatant military provocation and the best you can do is bring up the Salish? WTF?

maybe there is something to your request to not view us as "friends"

Are you illiterate also? Since when do I not want to be "friends"? I'd love for our respective countries to be cordial trading partners and share a free flowing border. However I'd rather be bitter enemies that be friends with a gun pointed to my head.

Tree, that was possibly the most senseless load of drivel I have seen you post. The Guru gives you TWO chances to preview before posting. Use them wisely.
 
28Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 374522815
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 21:55
Mark my words, Matt S, Paul Hellyer and Pierre Trudeau will all be thankful those gun towers are there when intergalactic war starts.
 
29Tree
      ID: 0944212
      Mon, Oct 02, 2006, 23:26
Sorry Matt - all i see is you talking $hit about the country i love, when you oughta be working on your problems at home.

although, if all Canadians are as annoying as you, well, i'm not sure we'd want you as the 51st state.
 
30Matt S
      ID: 45621302
      Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 03:15
Tree. This is an American board, discussing mostly American issues. If I want to talk about my country's lack of leadership or political scandals with Gurupies, I will e-mail Toral. Otherwise, I will spare the rest of the forum the boredom that goes with such issues.

However, Canada's economy is intertwined with that of the USA's. When you sneeze we get a cold. If this is of annoyance to you, perhaps you should lobby your government to stop buying our natural resources. But considering we supply the US with far more energy than any other country, perhaps your time would be better spent writing your congressman to stop pointing guns at your lifeline.

It's pathetic that this conversation has degraded so far. Why are you so reactionary when I critisize the US, but not so when an American does so? Wake up to globalization. America's issues are my issues also.
 
31Seattle Zen
      ID: 46315247
      Tue, Oct 03, 2006, 23:27
I have to agree with Matt S here. I don't get why Tree gets so pissy at Matt when they have nearly identical political leanings, save Israel.

I've hung out with you both, you'ld like each other.
 
32Tree
      ID: 5393544
      Wed, Oct 04, 2006, 06:48
i just have a real hard time with the extremely heavy handed nature of his words regarding the US.

i've got my problem with how our country is currently run, but i still love my country. that's why i want to so badly to see it change from this current ship of fools we have running it.

Matt's comments come across as "America sucks!" and "we don't need ya!". those are not tempered with a love for the country, just disdain.
 
33 kerry
      ID: 226581117
      Fri, Jul 11, 2008, 19:00
Iam shure Canada and the USA can work out problems. The northwest passage has been claimed by Canada many years ago and considered Canadian owned. It will remain so. Canada will not restrict U.S access at all once the USA recognizes our ownership. We would want to monitor and know of passage trips and have environmental and shipping rules respected. If its resources America is after then Canada has had a claim for the longest. Its claim is the most solid and established of any country. The Canadian inuit are indigenous to the north and traditionally use the passage frozen or not. If and when Canada opens up exploration and resource extraction the USA will be a major or possibly the largest investor. All this talk about the USA taking over Canada. This other crap about annexation is not how allies behave and is morally wrong as well. There are 36 million Canadians who would make the USA miserable if our country was taken over. We love our country and would never forget. Its not going to happen. There are millions of Americans who would also be on Canadas side and also other countries around the world. Were just going to have to respect eachothers sovereignty. This is the 21 st century. Canadians will always defend our birthright so accession will not be allowed. When my cousin invites me over for dinner I dont raid his kitchen before I leave. He gives me that same respect. If he did not then he would no longer be welcome.
Kerry

proud Canadian
 
34Boldwin
      ID: 406201020
      Fri, Jul 11, 2008, 20:22
Proud Canadian or not, loss of sovereignty is gonna get shoved down everyone's throat in all three countries and they don't care who knows or doesn't like it.
 
35Pancho Villa
      ID: 47161721
      Fri, Jul 11, 2008, 21:35
>loss of sovereignty is gonna get shoved down everyone's throat in all three countries and they don't care who knows or doesn't like it.<

And if that were to happen, the big loser would be Canada.

Canada has the most unexploited resources of the three countries.
Beyond that, the Canadian work ethic and moral fiber is that which is to be expected from a people who have to contend with the hostilities of Mother Nature in their quest to grow food and stay warm. There may be elements of a nanny state, but it pales in comparison to what the United States has become.

Despite a growing and contentious Muslim population which threatens the fabric of Canadian nationalism, Canada has escaped the racial, cultural and social malaise that the US and Mexico have experienced in their histories.
Even the Quebec independence movement was met with shrugged shoulders as if most Canadians took the position of go ahead and secede and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Now, when I speak of most Canadians, it's not a very honest evaluation, since I've only been from Manitoba west to the Pacific, with the exception of Ft Frances, Ontario. But besides the metros of Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Saskatoon and Winnipeg, I've spent at least a week in Flin Flon, The Pas, Prince Albert, Meadow Lake, North Battleford, Moose Jaw, Bonneville, Ft McMurray, Lethbridge, Kamloops and Kelowna.

There's still a pioneer spirit in the Canadian West, an optimism that hard work and hard play go hand in hand.

Nice post, Kerry. You have every reason to be proud.

 
36Boldwin
      ID: 406201020
      Sat, Jul 12, 2008, 01:19
No balls lumberjacks waiting for the nanny state to wipe their noses for them. Polar bear pokes his nose in the window all they have is a butter knife to defend themselves with. Care to point out any problems muslims are causing in society? Here's a 5K fine levied by a kangaroo court of ultra-libs. Want that tumor removed before it spreads? Wait in line.
 
37Perm Dude
      ID: 2767118
      Sat, Jul 12, 2008, 01:36
And yet, they aren't as bitter as you, Baldwin.
 
38Tree
      ID: 206261119
      Sat, Jul 12, 2008, 02:11
i got a good laugh out of Baldwin now making another country's "liberal" tendencies his own personal mission of destruction.

How much time have you spent up there Baldwin? me? a lot of time. i used to live less than an hour from the Canadian border, and spent a lot of time in Quebec. I traveled through out New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.

Oh, yea, and my brother has lived in BC for a dozen years now, and i've spent quite a bit of time in Vancouver, Victoria, Powell River, Texada Island, and Gabriola Island.

and i have NEVER met a Canadian who complains about his country as much as you just complained in post 36.

pretty much every canadian i've met is proud of his or her country. they're dismayed what people like you are doing to the United States, and they worry you're going to try and do it up there as well. They worry that people like you have no problem waging war against other nations for no particular good reason.

they worry that self-hating Americans like you - ya know, the kind of guy who would leave a fellow American to die in some foreign land because his politics are different than yours - might one day decide to wage war against them.

my brother recently decided to get lasik surgery. a few months after that decision, he was having the surgery. not a terribly long wait.

and if he had cancer? at least his country would do the surgery, instead of leaving him to die, because he can't afford "health insurance"...

considering the amount of time i've spent in Powell River and on the Islands of Texada and Gabriola, i've seen both sides. i've seen the lumberjacks, and i've seen the hippies. those areas are populated significantly by both, and while they have pretty much opposing ideals on lots of things (ya know, tree cutter vs. tree hugger?), they also realize they need each other to survive.

the local economies, run by the hippies, depends on the money of the lumberjacks. and the lumberjacks? they depend on the locals to provide them food, goods, and services. they may not see eye to eye, but they know they need each other, and they know that the alternative is much worse.

which is something so completely lost on you Baldwin, it boggles the mind.

(and do try to come back with something slightly more clever than "it doesn't take much to boggle the mind", because your junior high insults are tired, and they really just show that what ever weapon you're using, the chamber was emptied long ago.)
 
39Boxman
      ID: 571114225
      Sat, Jul 12, 2008, 05:56
my brother recently decided to get lasik surgery. a few months after that decision, he was having the surgery. not a terribly long wait.

and if he had cancer? at least his country would do the surgery, instead of leaving him to die, because he can't afford "health insurance"...


Let's just hope they don't wait "months" to do it though, eh?
 
40Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Sat, Jul 12, 2008, 07:34
No balls lumberjacks waiting for the nanny state to wipe their noses for them.

I suggest a visit to the History Channel and a peek at Ice Road Truckers. If you're concerned about Canadians with balls, that is.
 
41Tree
      ID: 860128
      Sat, Jul 12, 2008, 10:01
Let's just hope they don't wait "months" to do it though, eh?

if it was urgent surgery that needed to happen right now, i don't suspect they would make you wait. but rarely is cancer an urgent surgery - my dad's doctor had him wait about two months for his surgery, and he's no worse for the wear.

still, it's better than the alternative - waiting two months, or not being able to have the surgery at all.

are you going to argue that point as well?
 
42Perm Dude
      ID: 39632128
      Sat, Jul 12, 2008, 10:19
I don't understand how someone who thinks Democrats are promising "free health care" in the US can assume that they will have their own health care problems, big and small, taken care of on their schedule, always. And anything else is a disaster.
 
43Boldwin
      ID: 406201020
      Sat, Jul 12, 2008, 19:22
Ice Road Truckers?

Hey the French have the French Foreign Legion and Sarcosy. The Canadians have a marvelous special forces and Mark Steyn [before they outlawed him] but that doesn't mean the French or the Canadians have a set as a rule. Not with they little chins quivering for a nanny state security blankey.
 
44Tree
      ID: 376361213
      Sat, Jul 12, 2008, 20:49
the hatred you have for other people is so intense Baldwin. and it's so all-encompassing that it would be scary if it wasn't so sad.

i honestly feel bad for you.
 
45Boldwin
      ID: 406201020
      Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 08:53
Not hatred, disgust with the weakness that has led people to fall for marxism.
 
46Tree
      ID: 9624137
      Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 09:53
Baldwin, your disdain for those who don't believe as you do is well-established.

you would leave them for dead in enemy hands. it doesn't get much worse than that.

it amazes me that someone like you hasn't really learned the lessons of the persecution and murder of people just for their beliefs.

after all, your brothers and sisters died in the Holocaust too.

yet, here you are, willing to be hostile to those who might be different, be it politically, religiously, socially, or, dare i say in some cases, the color of their skin.
 
47Boldwin
      ID: 406201020
      Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 10:06
I did learn what ideologies that tend to promote concentration camps and gulags and death camps bring.

Your marxism for example.

My religion is everywhere made up by every sort of person. My hostility is towards evil principles and actions, not people.

You I don't hate but I have had enuff of your distruction of coherant rational debate here.

Your spamming. Your booing. Your distraction and derailing attempts. Your vulgarity. Your inchoate Orwellian activity. If it wasn't for the lurkers I would never even give your posts the dignity of a response.

You could be replaced by a hissing pod person from 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' and the forum would be unchanged.
 
48nerveclinic
      ID: 5047110
      Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 10:57


You could be replaced by a hissing pod person from 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' and the forum would be unchanged.

Eve Tree would have to admit that's a brilliant line... 8-}

 
49Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 18:42
hmmm..more attacks, less debate...I'm lost w/o the logic supporting "conclusions".

Back to the Canadian issue..my Quaker in-laws renounced their US citizenship in 1968 and "defected" to Canada where they became citizens...and continued to be practicing activists, just for new issues (clear cut logging, disinfrachisement of native Canadians and overpowering US influence to name a few. Spent 3 weeks a year in different parts of Brittish Colunbia (outside of Salmon Arm) and was impressed daily with the ethics, spirit, frankness and attitudes.

Just before Xmas, a deer (looked like a moose) hit our car, breaking several windows and rendering me, wife & 9 yr old daughter blithering idiots covered in broken glass. Accident occurred south of Kelowna on a 2 lane, no shoulder highway and left us blocking the north bound lane. Rather than speeding by, honking horn, waving a fist for delaying their journey, every car coming upon the scene stopped to help, console or asked what they could do. 1 Hour..no exceptions.

An isolated incident you say. Find that response in the US of A.

OK..boring story simply as back ground for why I think Matt has a valid point. What happened to the US distaste for "imperialism"? Seems another King W attempt to exert an uncostitutional use of US arms excused by the War on Terror. A simple treaty matter that could be mutually beneficial, if King W would just use the provisions of US Constitution. Seeking an agreed use is far more palatable than poaching on a friendly country's territorial waters....or maybe Canada is developing nuclear weapons which of course would justify ignoring the Constitution.
 
50biliruben
      ID: 52561217
      Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 19:37
My girlfriend and I spun off the highway driving across blowing snow outside Montreal. Jacques, traveling in the other direction, ran across 4 lanes of traffic and helped push us out of a snow-bank and back on our way. He spoke no English and we spoke little French. Viva la Canada.
 
51Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 02:25
They would make a superb 51st state. Been to Alabama or Kansas lately?
 
52J-Bar
      ID: 446141519
      Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 20:26
Taxman- i see examples everyday and participate in quite a few here in east texas, sorry that you live somewhere that you or your neighbors feel that you can't or just won't assist those in need or just be courteous to strangers but please do not project that to all of the US of A.
 
53Perm Dude
      ID: 53622158
      Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 20:29
I think you'll be surprised when you find out where Taxman lives, JB.
 
54Tree
      ID: 33611515
      Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 23:10
outstanding...
 
55Boldwin
      ID: 406201020
      Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 03:17
I've been told that the prospect of freezing to death leads to more 'looking to the community' for support. I'm sure that has a lot to do with the rate of good samaritan drivers there.
 
56biliruben
      ID: 4911361723
      Wed, Jul 16, 2008, 09:13
Equal time: Outside of Missoula, My ancient truck, filled with literally a ton of stuff, got a flat on a hill. In the rain. I had a crappy jack, and the truck slid off of it, nearly killing me.

Some guy, again traveling in the other direction on I-90, goes to the next exit, turns around, comes back and helps me change my tire with his sweet hydrolic jack.

Made me promise to do the same for someone else someday. Though I've done some good samaritanly since, I still owe that one.

I'll add one more anecdote to show there are good people everywhere. Was walking through the U-district the other day behind this group of a half dozen teens, all decked out in black, with nose studs and tattoos, banging on things, whooping it up, and generally being kids.

They come up behind this guy in his 80s or 90s, shuffling along with 3 big bags. Maybe homeless. They ask him very respectfully where he is going, and then proceed to carry his bags for him a few blocks to the laundromat.

Very cool.
 
57Boldwin
      ID: 2033111
      Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 14:27
For those who think the likelihood of a merger has been overstated...listen to Vincente Fox
Fox expressed the hope that Canada, the United States and Mexico would function like the European Union.

"It's an extremely successful model," said Fox. "My vision is to speed up the process of further integration."

His address was before the Congressional Hispanic Leadership Institute's Future Leaders Conference.

The report said Fox acknowledged the difficulty of establishing such a union in the Americas because of opposition, but he noted the ascent to the White House of President Barack Obama and his administration.

"Hope is back again," Fox said.

------------------------

So says David Bonior, [on Obama's economic transition team]...



"How do we democratize this globalization argument (NAFTA)?" Bonior has stated. "One of the ideas we came up with was forming a North American Parliamentary Union. A North America Parliament, with Mexico, Canada and the United States, with people – probably first appointed, but eventually elected like they are in the European Parliament – so we can begin to raise these issues of human rights, civil rights and labor rights and immigration, which never get talked about here."

-------------------

So says Henry Kissinger...
former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger openly called for the Obama administration to manipulate the current financial crisis to create a "new world order."

Kissinger's commentary in the International Herald Tribune made clear globalists intend to utilize the current financial meltdown.

"The economic world has been globalized," Kissinger proclaimed. "Its institutions have a global reach and have operated by maxims that assumed a self-regulating global market."

Rather than focus on domestic politics, Kissinger said the solution involves creating global political institutions to better govern and regulate global economic markets and institutions.
They've decided to do it long ago. They will do it no matter what you think about it.

When the drug wars currently threatening the very existance of Mexico as a functioning government spread to the entire North American Union, get back to me and tell me what a great idea that merger was.
 
58Perm Dude
      ID: 4831617
      Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 14:31
Fox expressed the hope...

People hope for a lot of things. Doesn't make them true or that we're on the road to it.

 
59biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 14:49
Is the Mexican not your brother?
 
60Boldwin
      ID: 2033111
      Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 15:21
Just say you are for this plan, Bili.

When there is one world government there is unlimited dictatorship. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I'm not organizing against it. I am warning you to get prepared to endure it, while you still can.
 
61Perm Dude
      ID: 4831617
      Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 16:03
"Just say you are for aliens controlling our politicians, bili. I'm not saying I'm organizing against them, but I'm just saying that when the alien pops out of Obama's chest during the SOTU you've been warned."
 
62biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 16:42
I've been too busy preparing for those Iraqis to finish their long, secret trek across Jordan and for Warlocks to turn my child into a worshiper of the devil.

I don't have any time left to prepare for world monarchy based in Juarez!

I think you need to help me prioritize, Baldwin.
 
63Tree
      ID: 61411921
      Thu, Apr 02, 2009, 22:18
look out for the brown skins! they're going to take over our country! panic!!!!!!!!
 
64Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 01:48
Anti-immigrant ringleader of Arizona murder so wacked, even the San Diego Minutemen didn't want her

And no, I don't think this woman is anti-illegal immigrants. I think she's the fully monty anti-immigrant.
 
65Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 02:11
That woman is obviously a liberal.
 
66biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Wed, Jun 17, 2009, 04:55
In 2007, Forde ran for Everett City Council, campaigning on a platform that emphasized immigration issues. Her bid for office came up short after she was convicted of shoplifting a container of chocolate milk.

More recently, Forde has been at the center of a bizarre string of violence that began Dec. 22 when her ex-husband was shot in an ambush attack at his Everett home. A week later, Forde called the newspaper to report being beaten and raped by strangers at the same house.

Forde claimed that the violence was retaliation for her activities targeting criminal groups operating on both sides of the border between Mexico and the U.S. She suggested that the street gang MS-13 was somehow involved, and for a time she posted photographs on her Web page showing herself partially dressed, displaying what she said were injuries to her thighs and upper buttocks.

Forde's handling of the rape report triggered a blogosphere backlash accusing her of staging a hoax.

Just weeks later, on Jan. 15, Forde was found in a north Everett alley with apparent gunshot wounds to an arm.


Pretty standard trajectory for failed pols in Snohomish county.

Shortly after PV's family tragedy, the town's ex-mayor struggles with a cop, who dies.

And...

The uproar over Starks and his arrest are the latest in the city's entrenched history of political peculiarities, beginning in 1980, when Mayor Ed Phillips quit days before being charged with taking nude pictures of a 13-year-old girl.

In 1990, City Councilman Tim Dillon pleaded guilty to assaulting a former girlfriend, and was voted out of office after he missed several meetings while undergoing mental evaluation at Western State Hospital.

In 1991, angry residents recalled Mayor Mimi Opdyke, during which time a resident plopped a bag of horse manure in front of her at a City Council meeting.

"It was a small bag, as I recall," said Jim Palmer, Brier's police chief from 1985 to 1994.
 
67Boldwin
      ID: 376192015
      Wed, Jul 22, 2009, 14:43
So successful is this stealth tactic that I recently heard a right wing radio talking head deride a caller saying the transborder highway/merger of Canada/USA/Mexico had been killed...

Not so fast. Only the names have been changed.
"The collaboration proves once again that North American integrationists in Washington think-tanks never quit, no matter how hard they deny their true intent is to evolve a North American Union out of NAFTA, following the model by which the European Union was fashioned through stealth from the European Free Trade Association," - Corsi
Left wing and purportedly right wing think tanks support reviving the plan under new names.
Despite evidence that NAFTA has been beneficial on balance to American business, workers, and consumers [aka 'giant sucking sound' - B] the argument remains vilified by many as an unwarranted move to embrace globalization. President Obama recognized this on the campaign trail in 2008, when he called for the renegotiation of NAFTA's provisions to correct flaws in the original agreement. As a result, the Obama administration will most likely rename the SPP.
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[specific recommended stealth tactics - B]

The following is the new plan as proposed by Sands under the imprimatur of Brookings/Hoover:

1. "President Obama should borrow from the lexicon of the European Union and announce that the United States will proceed in negotiations with its two neighbors 'at two speeds,' moving ahead more quickly where possible with its developed neighbor Canada, and allowing Mexico to proceed more slowly as necessary."
2. "The Obama administration is likely to want to 'press the reset button' on the SPP, an unpopular though valuable initiative that has improved policy coordination between the United States and its neighbors."

3. "The SPP must be rebranded to win any kind of consensus support. The Obama administration recognizes this, and could take a few tactical steps to make the SPP (or its eventual successor) work better and win broader support."

Among Sands' specific proposals is a recommendation to open the SPP bureaucratic working groups to more than just the 30 hand-picked multi-national corporations that constitute the North American Competitiveness Council. Sands does not recommend opening the SPP working group meetings to the public of any of the three nations involved. Instead, he indicates it would be good if environmental, labor and human rights groups could participate in the meetings. Maybe also the state and provincial governments in Mexico, Canada and the United States should be invited to the closed door meetings.
 
68Boldwin
      ID: 376192015
      Wed, Jul 22, 2009, 15:02
And these recommendations aren't falling on deaf ears...
"The president will travel to Guadalajara, Mexico, August 9-10 to attend the North American Leaders Summit with Mexican President Felipe Calderon and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper," the two-sentence announcement began.

"The summit meeting will provide an opportunity for the United States, Mexico, and Canada to engage on a broad range of issues, including economic recovery and competitiveness in North America, our shared interest in energy and the environment, and cooperation among our governments to promote the safety and welfare of our citizens, including continued close cooperation to counter the A/H1N1 influenza pandemic."

WND has reported that the last annual SPP meeting in New Orleans included a determined public relations effort to drop the SPP designation completely in order to defuse criticism.

When he was a candidate, Obama wrote an article published by the Dallas Morning News entitled, "I will repair our relationship with Mexico," in which he stated: "Starting my first year in office, I will convene annual meetings with Mr. Calderon and the prime minister of Canada. Unlike similar summits under President Bush, these will be conducted with a level of transparency that represents the close ties among our three countries." [closed meetings so that's a whopper - B]
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During the presidential campaign, Obama was forced to fire from his campaign an important economic adviser. Austan Goolsbee, an economics professor at the University of Chicago business school, was dismissed after reporters learned he had traveled to Canada to reassure Canadians that Obama's campaign promises to renegotiate NAFTA were just campaign rhetoric.

Now, Goolsbee is back in the White House, having taken a leave of absence from the University of Chicago. Obama appointed him to serve as chief economist and staff director of the newly created Presidential Economic Recovery Advisory Board, chaired by former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volker.

Obama also appointed Goolsbee to the Council of Economic Advisors, or CEA, which is charged with assisting in the development of White House economic policy.
 
69Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Wed, Jul 22, 2009, 15:16
Boldwin, do you have a link for the above news? I've learned not to trust your cut and pastes. I'd like to read the original source.
 
70Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Wed, Jul 22, 2009, 15:43
Probably true, but to what point? Baldwin is concerned that the dirty Mexicans are at the table.
 
71Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Wed, Jul 22, 2009, 15:49
and we all know that Mexicans, Muslims, and Liberals are why this country is having so many problems...