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Subject: Things that make you go...WTF? (part three)


  Posted by: Tree - [2310201719] Fri, Nov 17, 2006, 21:22

nearly 500 posts in on the last thread, probably time to start a new one.

and let's start with a classic from our friend, Bill O'Reilly, who must seriously have lost his mind after the election a few weeks back...

he sort of goes on this whacky rant about OJ Simpson and George Tiller, then really starts to go off on the upcoming OJ Simpson TV special...

So here's what I'm going to do as a citizen. I'm not going to watch the Simpson show or even look at the book. I'm not even going to look at it. If any company sponsors the TV program, I will not buy anything that company sells — ever.

um, Bill does realize that FOX - who he acknowledges will be airing the show - also airs O'Reilly's show?? and that this whole rant is hosted on the FOX website?

so, um..is O'Reilly going to boycott FOX?
 
1bibA
Leader
ID: 261028117
Fri, Nov 17, 2006, 22:01
Maybe he is a man of principal, and will refuse to cash any paychecks if they do go against his wishes, and air the show.
 
2sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Fri, Nov 17, 2006, 23:54
yeah....maybe.
 
3Perm Dude
ID: 3510251713
Sat, Nov 18, 2006, 00:09
Actually, FOX News and FOX TV are two separate entities. Owned by the same man, of course (who also owns HarperCollins, which is publishing OJ's book).
 
4Tree
ID: 281013188
Sat, Nov 18, 2006, 09:14
Actually, FOX News and FOX TV are two separate entities. Owned by the same man, of course (who also owns HarperCollins, which is publishing OJ's book).

right - ultimately, one and the same.
 
5Perm Dude
ID: 3510251713
Sat, Nov 18, 2006, 10:45
Uh, no.

Perhaps you've never been employed by a large company, but different entities are different companies. O'Reilly is directing his argument to FOX TV. Not FOX News.
 
6Tree
ID: 281013188
Sat, Nov 18, 2006, 13:17
i work for a large entertainment company, with several divisions.

if our record labels crosses a line - heck, if one of the labels we distribute, who aren't even really part of our company - it ultimately falls on us, as the distributor.

people don't care it was a different division, or even a different company. if there is a relation, there is a responsibility.
 
7Perm Dude
ID: 301061814
Sat, Nov 18, 2006, 15:06
I realize it is in your perceived best interest to blur the line, but your anaology is for crap.

Remember: You are taking O'Reilly to task for criticizing another company owned by the same guy who own's O'Reilly's company. Putting aside the question of whether you think it would have been better that FOX News not critize other companies with the same corporate parent, by saying "relation = responsibility" I have to say: What responsibility did you, personally, take for mistakes by other companies owned by the same parent company as yours? And I'm not talking about dealing with the fallout of a label's mistake as a salesperson or distributor. I'm talking about what other divisions did to "make up" or correct mistakes. After all, according to your logic it is your responsibility to do so.

I'm guessing that you pretty quickly hide behind the divisional lines when it comes to ponying up yourself.
 
8Tree
ID: 281013188
Sat, Nov 18, 2006, 16:42
I'm talking about what other divisions did to "make up" or correct mistakes. After all, according to your logic it is your responsibility to do so.

absolutely.

an example would be a label of ours "forgetting" to put a parental advisory sticker on a CD that needs it.

who makes the apology and takes up the slack? we do. not the label, but we do, because in the eyes of retail, we're more of the public face, because we're the distributor, and we sold them the product, not the label.

the label made the mistake, but we're the ones apologizing for it.
 
9Perm Dude
ID: 301061814
Sat, Nov 18, 2006, 17:21
Sure, but that's because you are in a sales position. It isn't the same relationship. It's like sarge having to apologize because a car maker did something wrong and had to recall a car type.

FOX News and FOX TV are not in a content/sales relationship.
 
10bibA
Leader
ID: 261028117
Sat, Nov 18, 2006, 17:47
OK - Maybe it would be fair to say that if O'Reilly is criticizing Fox TV, he is also criticizing it's owner, Rupert Murdoch. Who is also his employer.
 
11Perm Dude
ID: 301061814
Sat, Nov 18, 2006, 18:03
Maybe. Only if Murdoch has something to do with it. I'm not saying he did or didn't--he's certainly given Judith Regan a lot of power for no perceivable reason.
 
12Wilmer McLean
ID: 131045110
Sun, Nov 19, 2006, 03:50
Graceland seeks 'ultimate Elvis'

Elvis Presley impersonators are to be invited to the music icon's Graceland mansion in Memphis, Tennessee for the first official tribute artist contest.

The competition - to run over several days next August - coincides with the 30th anniversary of Presley's death.
 
13Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 49848118
Mon, Nov 20, 2006, 18:13
by saying "relation = responsibility" I have to say: What responsibility did you, personally, take for mistakes by other companies owned by the same parent company as yours?

Obviously, O'Reilly, himself, doesn't bear any responsibility for the OJ interview.

But he did seem to act like he thinks he does - and chose deflect that responsibility
O'Reilly recently on The Factor:

Shamefully, the Fox Broadcasting Unit is set to carry the program, which is simply indefensible, and a low point in American culture. For the record, Fox Broadcasting has nothing to do with the Fox News Channel."
Radar contacted spokespeople for both Fox News Channel and Fox Television Stations via e-mail for comment. Conveniently they were the same person: Brian Lewis, who said, "Roger [Ailes who chairs both Fox News Channel and Fox Television Stations -mith] has absolutely nothing to do with the programs Fox Broadcasting Corporation broadcasts"—on the television stations for which Ailes is ultimately responsible.

HarperCollins, the publishing house that is paying Simpson a reported $3.5 million for the book in which he fully fleshes out his all-too-real murder scenario, is also owned by Murdoch's News Corp. While O'Reilly excoriated Simpson's publisher and brainstormed legal options against it with guest litigator Sunny Hostin—she said she would seek to freeze HarperCollins's assets if she were representing Goldman's family—he never mentioned it by name, or pointed out that it's also owned by the people who cut his paychecks.

Surely, Judith Regan, who will be conducting the interview with O.J. and whose imprint at HarperCollins is publishing the Simpson book, has nothing to do with Fox News Channel, though. Just ask Fox News bloviator Sean Hannity, whose books Regan publishes. Or Roger Ailes himself, who once gave Regan a show—Judith Regan Tonight—on the Fox News Channel.
While I'm sure its true that individual shows and stunts don't necessarily pass under Murdoch's nose for approval, he's very likely is informed of any significant programming changes and ventures. I'm quite sure he knew all about the OJ deal before the news broke. After all, he took credit for canning it.
 
14Boxman
ID: 47922511
Tue, Nov 21, 2006, 13:24
'Kramer' apologizes for racist tirade
 
15walk
Dude
ID: 32928238
Wed, Nov 22, 2006, 11:09
Some levity:
************
Op-Ed Contributor
My Days Are Numbered
By RICK MORANIS
Published: November 22, 2006


The average American home now has more television sets than people ... according to Nielsen Media Research. There are 2.73 TV sets in the typical home and 2.55 people, the researchers said.

— The Associated Press, Sept. 21.


I HAVE two kids. Both are away at college.

I have five television sets. (I like to think of them as a set of five televisions.) I have two DVR boxes, three DVD players, two VHS machines and four stereos.

I have nineteen remote controls, mostly in one drawer.

I have three computers, four printers and two non-working faxes.

I have three phone lines, three cell phones and two answering machines.

I have no messages.

I have forty-six cookbooks.

I have sixty-eight takeout menus from four restaurants.

I have one hundred and sixteen soy sauce packets.

I have three hundred and eighty-two dishes, bowls, cups, saucers, mugs and glasses.

I eat over the sink.

I have five sinks, two with a view.

I try to keep a positive view.

I have two refrigerators.

It’s very hard to count ice cubes.

I have thirty-nine pairs of golf, tennis, squash, running, walking, hiking, casual and formal shoes, ice skates and rollerblades.

I’m wearing slippers.

I have forty-one 37-cent stamps.

I have no 2-cent stamps.

I read three dailies, four weeklies, five monthlies and no annual reports.

I have five hundred and six CD, cassette, vinyl and eight-track recordings.

I listen to the same radio station all day.

I have twenty-six sets of linen for four regular, three foldout and two inflatable beds.

I don’t like having houseguests.

I have one hundred and eighty-four thousand frequent flier miles on six airlines, three of which no longer exist.

I have “101 Dalmatians” on tape.

I have fourteen digital clocks flashing relatively similar times.

I have twenty-two minutes to listen to the news.

I have nine armchairs from which I can be critical.

I have a laundry list of things that need cleaning.

I have lost more than one thousand golf balls.

I am missing thirty-seven umbrellas.

I have over four hundred yards of dental floss.

I have a lot of time on my hands.

I have two kids coming home for Thanksgiving.

Rick Moranis is the creator of a country music album, “The Agoraphobic Cowboy.”
 
16Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Wed, Nov 22, 2006, 14:07
As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly

Still the funniest 6 minutes in the history of television.
 
17Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Wed, Nov 22, 2006, 16:20
I guess those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it?

"Guard copter to drop turkey in East Maui "
 
18biliruben
ID: 535193010
Fri, Nov 24, 2006, 11:19


A bar in Sopat Poland.
 
19angryChair
ID: 459171622
Sun, Nov 26, 2006, 23:50
Military Spending:

 
20Perm Dude
ID: 91062613
Mon, Nov 27, 2006, 00:08
 
21wolfer
ID: 431011219
Mon, Nov 27, 2006, 17:00
Why would anyone want to take credit for this?
 
22sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Nov 27, 2006, 19:47
"It's still growing, so maybe I'll go for another record. Or I might sell it on eBay." {emphasis added}


Thats why.
 
23Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Nov 30, 2006, 21:53
Kraft Foods sued because there isn't enough avocado in the guacamole.
"It just didn't taste avocadoey," said Brenda Lifsey, who used Kraft Dips Guacamole in a three-layer dip last year. "I looked at the ingredients and found there was almost no avocado in it."

She is seeking unspecified damages and a Superior Court order barring Kraft from calling its dip guacamole.
 
24katietx
ID: 3810431417
Fri, Dec 01, 2006, 15:37
Damages? ROFL ....waaaahhhhhhhhh my dip sucked and its Kraft's fault.
 
25Tree
ID: 1411442914
Fri, Dec 01, 2006, 16:31
well, i mena, truth be told, i woulda been pissed too.

guac is basically mashed up avacado, with other stuff thrown in. to call it guac, and not really have any acavado, is pretty much lying, and Kraft is essentially acknowledging that point by changing the name of the product.
 
26Perm Dude
ID: 59115018
Fri, Dec 01, 2006, 16:34
I think a State AG might take on that kind of thing (and probably should). But I don't really see a case for individual damages.
 
27katietx
ID: 3810431417
Fri, Dec 01, 2006, 17:01
She looked at the packaging - before or after she made the dip? If the packaging indicates the amount of avacado, then there really isn't any problem is there?

The fact that it is "Kraft Dips Guacamole" indicates it is not pure avacado. If that's what she wanted, that's what she should have bought.

Sorry, I think we are way to litigious and this is ridiculous.

I will look next time I go to the grocery and see if I can find this particular product. Be interested to see exactly what the label says.
 
28Boxman
ID: 9112515
Fri, Dec 01, 2006, 17:10
Kraft Foods sued because there isn't enough avocado in the guacamole.

Anybody open a box of cereal or a bag of chips lately? The damn thing is 1/2 air. Can I sue Kellogg's?

If this lawsuit works out, our country is screwed. This person is better off speaking with her wallet instead.
 
29Tree
ID: 1411442914
Fri, Dec 01, 2006, 17:55
Anybody open a box of cereal or a bag of chips lately? The damn thing is 1/2 air. Can I sue Kellogg's?

different scenarios. apples and oranges, completely.

if you bought a box of cereal, and it was cigar butts, you might have an issue. but you bought a box of cereal that contains, shockingly cereal, and probably a "Contents may have settled during shipping" notation on the box.

but advertising a product with little or no avocado in it, as guacamole, which by nearly every definition or recipe i have ever seen, contains avocaco as the primary ingredient, is not only misleading, it is dishonest, and false advertising.
 
30sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Dec 01, 2006, 17:59
really Tree? How much cheese is there in a bag of Cheetos? How much dog, in "hot dogs"? Much onion in "French Onion" dip? Maple, in maple syrup?

Consumers have long known that "copnvenience" foods, aren't necessarily titled accoridng to their ingredients. It's pretty common place. If she didn't have enough sense to read the labeled packaging, that's her own damn fault.
 
31Tree
ID: 581133118
Fri, Dec 01, 2006, 21:58
How much cheese is there in a bag of Cheetos? How much dog, in "hot dogs"? Much onion in "French Onion" dip? Maple, in maple syrup?

the hot dog example is silly.

tell me, what is a french onion? there is no such thing.

i don't see the word cheese in Cheetos. never mind the fact that Cheetos is a brand name (unlike Guacamole, which is not), and never claimed to be 100 percent real cheese.

and maple syrup? truly your worst example of the above.

the maple syrup i have in my apartment is home made by my uncle. it's the real deal. anything called Maple Syrup is the real deal, and it's 100 percent.

in fact, if you see something called Maple Syrup in your store, and it's not 100 percent Maple, it's breaking US law. if it's not 100 percent, it'll call itself maple flavored, pancake, or just plain ol' syrup. or something else. you can look this up, it's a fact.

as for guacamole, which is well-known as coming from avocados - the etomology of the word translates from an indigenous language of Mexico, where the Guaca part translates to "avocado", and the mole part translates to "sauce."

in Mexican culture, fake Guac is called "aguamole".
 
32Perm Dude
ID: 13112117
Fri, Dec 01, 2006, 22:04
Yeah, I don't get that whole "If you can't deal with it you must not be cynical enough" attitude.
 
33sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sat, Dec 02, 2006, 08:17
the hot dog example is silly.

Exactly. But no more so, than this lawsuit.
 
34Tree
ID: 47112327
Sat, Dec 02, 2006, 08:27
again, i disagree, and your examples really didn't do anything to argue your point. you were blown out of the water with your maple syrup example, and didn't even respond to that.

your post in 33 was Baldwinian in content.

i read labels, so i'm not worried about myself. but, when you buy something called guacamole, you expect guacamole.

cheese is a good example. i want cheese when i buy cheese. i don't want any of the zillions of things that pass themselves off as cheese, like "cheese food" or "cheese product". i want cheese.

yes, she should have read the label. but there has to be some responsibility on the makers of our food to have a remote level of honesty.
 
35sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sat, Dec 02, 2006, 09:00
Tree...Nobody I know of, believes that Kraft (or any convenience food) XXX Dip, is the "real" deal. Its pricing doesnt reflect "genuine" article, its labelled as to its contents, and it isnt marketed as being the genuine article.

As for the syrup....I regularly buy "Maple flavored" syrup. Like most people, I shorten the name to Maple Syrup. I know there is very little maple, in it. I dont expect otherwise. If I did, I'd spend the extra 2 or 3 bucks per bottle, to buy the real thing.

Same logic applies here. If she wanted genuine guacamole, then she should have gotten off her purse strings, and not bought the cheapest thing on the shelf, that had the word "guacamole" on the packaging.
 
36Boxman
ID: 2011325
Sat, Dec 02, 2006, 10:41
yes, she should have read the label. but there has to be some responsibility on the makers of our food to have a remote level of honesty.

Say for instance somebody ate this Kraft guacamole dip and actually liked it and thought it tasted like Mamma's Homemade Stuff. I'm willing to bet for this woman, there are about 100 other people out there who are satisfied with the product.

Kraft is a huge company, I would experience a bad case of "Shock & Awe" if it came out that they didn't market test this product first with focus groups and regional releases. This means that a bunch of people out there liked it.

My mother-in-law advertises that she cooks "stuffing" and "mashed potatoes" for Thanksgiving. The "stuffing" and "mashed potatoes" do not pass my QC standard (like this lady in the article), but yet my father-in-law eats the stuff hook-line-and-sinker and so do other members of my wife's quality-food challenged family. So just because I'd rather use the "stuffing" for insulation in my attic and the "mashed potatoes" for tile grout, doesn't mean that everybody hates it and that it's false advertising.

Sarge does make an excellent point in the above post. You get what you pay for.
 
37Tree
ID: 47112327
Sat, Dec 02, 2006, 12:34
the bottom line is that Kraft has acknowledged it was misleading consumers, but changing the name of the item.

I would experience a bad case of "Shock & Awe" if it came out that they didn't market test this product first with focus groups and regional releases. This means that a bunch of people out there liked it.

completely unrelated. it's not a taste issue. i'm sure it tastes fine. a lot of people have chowed chemicals and other crap their entire lives, so their palate is accustomed to it.

the taste isn't the issue. if i mis-read, and she's suing because it tastes like crap, then let the buyer beware. but if it's because she was mislead by the name of the product, then that's an entirely different situation.

My mother-in-law advertises that she cooks "stuffing" and "mashed potatoes" for Thanksgiving.

again, apples and oranges. your MIL isn't selling you this product under a false name. she's serving it to you at dinner.

basically, what you're saying is that if you go to a restaurant, and order a steak and mashed potatoes, but instead you get broiled shoe leather and mashed white beans, you have no right to complain, because you arguing that it is acceptable for a company to call a product whatever they want.

guacamole is made almost entirely from avocados. period. by calling the product something it wasn't, it is deceptive advertising.

 
38sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Sat, Dec 02, 2006, 12:38
Tree......its the difference between Orange Juice and Orange Drink. Kraft doesnt call it Guacamole. They called it Guacamole Dip.
 
39Perm Dude
ID: 45115129
Sat, Dec 02, 2006, 12:59
You're right about the difference between orange juice and orange drink (mostly, because the word "juice" is regulated by the FDA). But "dip" is what you do with it--it isn't a description of the ingredients.
 
40Tree
ID: 47112327
Sat, Dec 02, 2006, 13:46
Kraft doesnt call it Guacamole. They called it Guacamole Dip.

even if your orange juice/drink argument, err, held water, again, you're incorrect with your ascertation above.

they called it "Kraft Dips Guacamole", with "Kraft Dips" being the brand name, and "Guacamole" being the product.

here's the packaging to show that:


per their own decision, they are changing that to "Kraft Dips Guacamole-flavored," which i have no issue with, as it is more apropros.

you cannot claim a product is one thing, then sell something else. it's that simple.
 
41leggestand
ID: 201117122
Sat, Dec 02, 2006, 15:04
Tree, do you just agree with the lady that the product is mis-labeled, or do you also agree that her lawsuit for "unspecified damages" is justified? Until you said "if i mis-read, and she's suing because it tastes like crap, then let the buyer beware. but if it's because she was mislead by the name of the product, then that's an entirely different situation, I thought you were only defending that the product was mis-labeled.

But, if you are defending her lawsuit, which your last post appears to say, I don't think anyone will agree with you, as your argument doesn't hold much legal merit. According to the article: The government doesn't have any requirements on how much avocado a product must contain to be labeled guacamole, said Michael Herndon, a spokesman for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. I'm no legal expert, but that there would make me think she has little to no chance of receiving any damage compensation because it wasn't avocadoey enough. Guacamole can be a french onion dip with no advocado in it, and it wouldn't break any legal requirements if it was labeled guacamole.

In short, her lawsuit is un-justified.
 
42Tree
ID: 47112327
Sat, Dec 02, 2006, 17:09
Tree, do you just agree with the lady that the product is mis-labeled, or do you also agree that her lawsuit for "unspecified damages" is justified?

i've not once commented on the lawsuit, other than your reference, and my comment was more on the taste of food vs. the ingredients of the food. i've not taken any side on the lawsuit.

rather, i've argued that food manufacturers have a responsibility to label their food products properly, and without deceiving the public.

i've not defended the lawsuit, and it's a stretch to think i have.
 
43leggestand
ID: 201117122
Sat, Dec 02, 2006, 17:35
i've not once commented on the lawsuit, other than your reference

Ummm, exactly. That was the gist of my whole post.

and my comment was more on the taste of food vs. the ingredients of the food

No, it wasn't. It was based on the lawsuit. Your comment basically flows as: If the lawsuit is because of X, then it's unreasonable, but if it is because of Y, it is an entirely different situation (i.e. read: reasonable). How you can claim that the statement pertains to taste vs. ingredients is beyond me, because the subject of the sentence is the lawsuit.

i've not defended the lawsuit, and it's a stretch to think i have.

And I never said you defended it, so, make sure you read my words carefully before thinking that I have. All I said is do you think it is justified? And your comment, that I italicized (and will again): if ...[she's suing] because she was mislead by the name of the product, then that's an entirely different situation; alludes to the fact that you think that it's not a "buyer beware" lawsuit, and that it's "different." How is it "different"?

And sure, I am cherry picking one comment from you, but it's because it's the sentence makes no sense. I tend to agree with the bulk of your argument that it's a mis-labeled product and a person has the right to be pissed. I don't think a person has a right to sue because the guacamole is not "avocadoey" enough, and seeing that the FDA has no rules against it, I have to believe I am right in this assumption.
 
44leggestand
ID: 201117122
Sat, Dec 02, 2006, 20:11
Tree, after re-reading your post, maybe you were just trying to say "angry" instead of "suing." That's what threw me off. If you would of said:

if i mis-read, and she's [angry, pissed, etc]because it tastes like crap, then let the buyer beware. but if it's because she was mislead by the name of the product, then that's an entirely different situation,

I would agree with your side on this topic. The "suing" bit had me confused, as you don't seem to think the suit is justified at any other time, except for that sentence that could be construed that you do justify it.
 
45Tree
ID: 55111638
Sun, Dec 03, 2006, 09:19
the lawsuit has merit if it spurs food manufacturers to action. but suing for damages in this case is definitely silly.

i think she is correct in her thinking, but wrong in her actions, unless those damages are for the $2.99 she paid for the dip, and nothing more. :o)
 
46leggestand
ID: 201117122
Sun, Dec 03, 2006, 09:21
I'm just pissed you beat me by a point last week in the playoff hunt in the UFC.
 
47Tree
ID: 55111638
Sun, Dec 03, 2006, 10:35
LOL. it is going to go down to the wire, isn't it?

you've got the points in hand, and i believe a better schedule (and honestly, a better team, despite me beating you twice), so the advantage is yours. i can't afford to lose at all.
 
48walk
Dude
ID: 32928238
Tue, Dec 05, 2006, 13:39
Abstinence by Ignorance
 
49Myboyjack
ID: 5410242711
Tue, Dec 05, 2006, 16:17
Hey walk - wanna buy a bridge?
 
50Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 374522815
Tue, Dec 05, 2006, 16:27
Snopes doubts its validity.
 
51Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Tue, Dec 05, 2006, 18:31
And just to think - I didn't even need Snopes....
 
52Toral
ID: 52621719
Tue, Dec 05, 2006, 22:18
12-Year-Old Boy Arrested For Opening Christmas Present Early
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) -- A fed-up mother had her 12-year-old son arrested for allegedly rummaging through his great-grandmother's things and playing with his Christmas present early.

The mother called police Sunday after learning her son had disobeyed orders and repeatedly taken a Game Boy from its hiding place at his great-grandmother's house next door and played it. He was arrested on petty larceny charges, taken to the police station in handcuffs and held until his mother picked him up after church.
Considering that the boy has ADHD, I have to give the mother a "zero" on parenting.

Toral

 
53walk
Dude
ID: 32928238
Wed, Dec 06, 2006, 09:15
Oooops!
 
54Tree
ID: 1411442914
Wed, Dec 06, 2006, 10:01
and a merry f*cking christmas to you too!

sheesh. there really oughta be a test you have to take before being a parent.
 
55Myboyjack
ID: 5410242711
Wed, Dec 06, 2006, 11:56
I'd have had the mother arrested.

Toral - I'm surprised that you didn't jump on walk's post #48 as an examlpe of his "East Coast elite irrational fear of religion" or whatever you've accused him of of harboring.

No one who had a conservative religious upbringing would believe that that story was realistic, I think
 
56Boxman
ID: 47922511
Wed, Dec 06, 2006, 13:40
Somalia Town Threatens to Behead People Who Don't Pray 5 Times Daily

Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an official said Wednesday, adding the edict will be implemented in three days.

Shops, tea houses and other public places in Bulo Burto, about 124 miles northeast of the capital, Mogadishu, should be closed during prayer time and no one should be on the streets, said Sheik Hussein Barre Rage, the chairman of the town's Islamic court. His court is part of a network backed by armed militiamen that has taken control of much of southern Somalia in recent months, bringing a strict interpretation of Islam that is alien to many Somalis.

Those who do not follow the prayer edict after three days have elapsed, "will definitely be beheaded according to Islamic law," Rage told The Associated Press by phone. "As Muslims we should practice Islam fully, not in part, and that is what our religion enjoins us to do."


I really don't know what to type to respond to this.
 
57walk
Dude
ID: 32928238
Wed, Dec 06, 2006, 14:12
I feel like self-editing that post out now.
- walk
 
58Wilmer McLean
ID: 59113522
Thu, Dec 07, 2006, 04:16
Stalin's half-man, half-ape super-warriors

The Soviet dictator Josef Stalin ordered the creation of Planet of the Apes-style warriors by crossing humans with apes, according to recently uncovered secret documents.

...


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And, a notice, I will be birthing a new thread that will insipre many regulars, if nor others. Keep a heads up for it before the year's end.

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And a notice: I have been a follower, a reluctant poster and a contstant lurker -- with that I say, "Thank you" to Perm Dude, and also to bili.
 
59Wilmer McLean
ID: 59113522
Thu, Dec 07, 2006, 04:17
nor = not

dang it!
 
60sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Dec 07, 2006, 10:10
And a notice: I have been a follower, a reluctant poster and a contstant lurker -- with that I say, "Thank you" to Perm Dude, and also to bili.


nor = not

dang it!



and you've apparently been taking typing lessons from me. ;)

 
61Perm Dude
ID: 53113278
Thu, Dec 07, 2006, 10:13
Apparently he has been a lurker--even adopting our (mis)typing styles!
 
62angryChair
ID: 459171622
Sat, Dec 09, 2006, 01:41
 
63Wilmer McLean
ID: 59113522
Sat, Dec 09, 2006, 04:27
appologgizez fer me tpyos ;)

wii have a problem ny times

Seems customers are discovering that Nintendo’s new Wii gaming console, which debuted last month and has a signature game controller that responds to users’ body movements, may have an unintended side effect: game controllers flying around living rooms and smashing into lamps, windows, televisions and foreheads.

The wireless controller, called the Wii Remote, is designed to attach to the wrist with a strap, and permits users to emulate the motions of games they are playing — a bowling stroke, say, or a tennis serve. Many users, though, are apparently using the game with more enthusiasm, perhaps, than Nintendo’s testers anticipated, and they are apparently saying the strap breaks a bit too easily.

A Web site, WiiHaveAProblem.com, has been documenting users’ tragic tales.

...

 
64Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 49848118
Tue, Dec 12, 2006, 12:53
WorldNetDaily: Soy products make you gay.
 
65Tree
ID: 1411442914
Tue, Dec 12, 2006, 13:43
The staff from the Onion is now writing for WND?
 
66sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Dec 12, 2006, 13:45
nah. WND is just taking Onion rejected material, and putting their "By" line on it. :)
 
67angryChair
ID: 459171622
Wed, Dec 13, 2006, 19:29
WASHINGTON - President Bush said Wednesday he would "not be
rushed" into a decision on a strategy change for Iraq, saying that in
a round of consultations he heard both some interesting ideas and
some "ideas that would lead to defeat."


Ahhhhh? WTF?
 
68Perm Dude
ID: 241181310
Wed, Dec 13, 2006, 19:46
Also:

"I thank these men who wear our uniform for a very candid and fruitful discussion about how to secure this country and how to win a war that we now find ourselves in."

Jeez, how'd we end up in that war?
 
69sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Wed, Dec 13, 2006, 20:27
IOW...

If I stall long enough, it'll all be someone elses problem. And from the results of the last election, that means it will be a Democrats problem, which will allow us Republicans to attempt to recover our losses in the subsequent mid-terms.
 
70Wilmer McLean
ID: 551149142
Thu, Dec 14, 2006, 04:25
The Beer Belly



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Features

The Beerbelly comes with the sling, and the bladder.
The sling is designed to fit up users up to 6'8" and up to a 40" waist.
Made of neoprene, the sling insulates and feels like skin to the touch under your clothes.
The bladder holds up to 80oz. of your beverage of choice and fits in a custom shaped pouch in the sling . When worn under your clothes you just look like a dude with a beerbelly.
You can use the Beerbelly to hold either cold or hot beverages.
The bladder has a wide mouth opening for adding ice for Margaritas, and to simplify cleaning.



-------------------------------------------------

The true cost of the 12 days of Christmas (Interactive chart)

$4,759.19 for nine ladies dancing?

-------------------------------------------------

'Rare' Absentee Ballot Stamp Probably Fake


-------------------------------------------------

Ms Zhang is now the richest self-made woman in the world, ahead of US TV celebrity Oprah Winfrey and Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling.

And why oh why did the BBC add these two paragrpahs to the end? hmmmm?

In July, Chinese president Hu Jintao called for greater measures to tackle the wealth gap.

The divide has accelerated as market forces exert a greater control over the economy, which grew at 11.3% in the second quarter of 2006.


Geepers, agenda driven? Nah, the BBC would never do that! lol

-------------------------------------------------

Ooops!

Members of a Belgian lottery syndicate who thought they had won 27m euros were dealt a huge blow when they found their winning numbers had not been entered.
For weeks the group of 30 players had been using the same combination for the EuroMillions jackpot.

They were overjoyed when it matched the winning numbers in Friday's draw.

But the group of friends were crushed when it turned out the person charged with buying the ticket had allowed the machine to choose random numbers.

 
71Texas Flood
ID: 8762917
Tue, Dec 19, 2006, 11:21
"The Donald" pardon's Miss USA. She goes on national TV, makes a blubbering speech, plays the rehab card and all's well. Who gives a Sh!T?


I find the whole thing comical that anyone actually cares about this bimbo and her pimp.
 
72walk
ID: 3511361116
Tue, Dec 19, 2006, 13:27
December 19, 2006
Op-Ed Contributor
The Smoky Bomb Threat
By PETER D. ZIMMERMAN
London


THE exotic murder-by-polonium of the former K.G.B. spy Alexander Litvinenko has embroiled Russia, Britain and Germany in a diplomatic scuffle and a hunt for more traces of the lethal substance. But it also throws into question most of the previous analyses of “dirty bombs,” terrorist attacks using radioactive isotopes wrapped in explosives (or using other dispersion techniques) to spread radioactive material in crowded areas.

Essentially all analysts, myself included, played down the possibility of using alpha radiation — fast-moving helium nuclei ejected during the radioactive decay of certain isotopes, such as of polonium 210, the substance that killed Mr. Litvinenko — as a source of dirty bombs. We concentrated instead on isotopes that emit penetrating gamma rays, which are basically super-powered packets of light, hard to shield and effective at a yard or more.

The alpha radiation from polonium can be easily shielded — by a layer of aluminum foil, a sheet or two of paper, or the dead outer layer of skin. And so, the reasoning went, alpha radiation could not hurt you as long as the source stayed outside your body. Exactly. Mr. Litvinenko was apparently killed by polonium that he ate or drank or inhaled. That source was so physically small that it was hard to see, perhaps the size of a couple of grains of salt and weighing just a few millionths of a gram.

Dirty bombs based on gamma emitters, analysts have learned, can’t kill very many people. Mr. Litvinenko’s death tells us that “smoky bombs” based on alpha emitters very well could.

Polonium 210 is surprisingly common. It is used by industry in devices that eliminate static electricity, in low-powered brushes used to ionize the air next to photographic film so dust can be swept off easily, and in quite large machines placed end-to-end across a web of fabric moving over rollers in a textile mill. It is even used to control dust in clean rooms where computer chips and hard drives are made.

It may be difficult to get people to eat polonium; it isn’t hard to force them to breathe it. The problem for a radiological terrorist is to get his “hot” material inside people’s bodies where it will do the most harm. If the terrorist can solve that problem, then alpha radiation is the most devastating choice he can make. Precisely because alpha particles stop in such a short distance, they deposit all of their energy in a relatively small number of cells, killing them or causing them to mutate, increasing the long-term risk of cancer.

The terrorist’s solution lies in getting very finely divided polonium into the air where people can breathe it. Without giving away any information damaging to national security, I see several fairly simple ways to accomplish this: burn the material, blow it up, dissolve it in a lot of water or pulverize it to a size so small that the particles can float in the air and lodge in the lungs.

It would be unwise for me to dwell on the details of just how one goes about getting a hot enough fire or breaking polonium into extremely fine “dust.” In the end, however, the radioactive material will appear like the dust from an explosion, or the smoke from a fire. My point is to demonstrate the urgent need for new thinking in the regulatory arena, not to give away important information.

Air containing such radioactive debris would appear smoky or dusty, and be dangerous to breathe. A few breaths might easily be enough to sicken a victim, and in some cases to kill. A smoky bomb exploded in a packed arena or on a crowded street could kill dozens or hundreds. It would set off a radiological emergency of a kind not seen before in the United States, and the number of people requiring life support or palliative care until death would overwhelm the number of beds now available for treating victims of radiation. First responders dashing unprotected into the cloud from a smoky bomb might be among the worst wounded. Fire and police departments around the country will need alpha radiation detectors, since the counters they carry now cannot see alphas.

Some of the steps involved with making a good smoky bomb from polonium would be dangerous for the terrorists involved, and might cost them their lives. That, unfortunately, no longer seems like a very high barrier.

What can we do to stop them? We must make it far less easy for them to acquiring polonium in deadly amounts. Polonium sources with about 10 percent of a lethal dose are readily available — even in a product sold on Amazon.com. Only modest restraints inhibit purchase of significantly larger amounts of polonium: as of next year, anyone purchasing more than 16 curies of polonium 210 — enough to make up 5,000 lethal doses — must register it with a tracking system run by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. But this is vastly too high — almost no purchases on that scale are made by any industry.

The commission (and the International Atomic Energy Agency as well) is said to be considering tighter regulations to make a repeat of the Litvinenko affair less probable. There is talk that it might tighten the polonium reporting requirement by a factor of 10, to 1.6 curies. That’s better, but still not strict enough.

The biggest problem is that the regulatory commission’s regulations do not restrict the quantity of polonium used in industry. This may make it quite easy for terrorists to purchase large amounts of one of the earth’s deadliest substances. A near-term goal should to require specific licensing of any person or company seeking to purchase alpha sources stronger than one millicurie, about a third of a lethal dose. A longer-term goal ought to be eliminating nearly all use of polonium in industry through other technologies.

That is a technical challenge and would cost some money, but it would certainly be less expensive than coping with the devastation of a smoky bomb.

Peter D. Zimmerman, a nuclear physicist, is a professor of science and security in the Department of War Studies at King’s College London. He was chief scientist of the United States Senate Foreign Relations Committee from 2001 to 2003.
 
73walk
ID: 3511361116
Wed, Dec 20, 2006, 15:11
baby sent through x-ray machine at LAX (?)
 
74Perm Dude
ID: 31113208
Wed, Dec 20, 2006, 15:39
I liked that video, which showed a large bag coming through the machine with a big bang against the side of the thing.
 
75walk
ID: 3511361116
Thu, Dec 21, 2006, 13:05
Genarlow Wilson
 
76Perm Dude
ID: 171110219
Thu, Dec 21, 2006, 13:48
One thing we have to remember is that it is only a few years ago that Georgia lifted the ban on consensual oral sex between adults.

Volokh has a good post on this.
 
77sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Dec 29, 2006, 11:56
carjacker gets lost, calls 911 on himself

"Um, I committed a crime," he told the dispatcher. "I stole a vehicle."

When the dispatcher asked for his name, King told them, "I'd rather do this: Could you just send the police over here?"

The dispatcher then asked where the stolen car was located, to which King replied, "I couldn't even tell you. I don't even know where I'm at."



Here's your sign.
 
78wolfer
ID: 26858922
Sat, Dec 30, 2006, 07:47
Re 63

Look on the bright side. At least you did not do THIS!
 
79sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Jan 23, 2007, 16:59
I have no words, none, to describe how sickening this is
 
80TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Sat, Jan 27, 2007, 05:51
Harry Potter Wizard Chess:
"Disclaimer, pieces do not move on their own!"
 
81Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 07, 2007, 09:48
Teacher Faces Prison for Pop-Up Infested PC

This deserves its own thread it is so bad!
 
82Tree
ID: 29082512
Wed, Feb 07, 2007, 10:57
Teacher Faces Prison for Pop-Up Infested PC

in the article, it states that the woman turned down a plea-bargain, despite facing 40 years in prison.

MBJ - by your statements in the Wilson thread, she should have accepted the plea bargain, and plead guilty, no matter what?
 
83walk
ID: 3511361116
Wed, Feb 07, 2007, 11:23
Man that article is unreal. Up to 40 years in prison?!? It does not even seem plausible that a substitute teacher would be able to do what she allegedly did (view porn on a computer in a classroom). And that's giving the prosecution the benefit of the doubt. Speaking of doubt, where is the concept of "reasonable doubt" in her conviction? I know the article cannot be assumed to contain all of the facts presented to the judge or jury, but this case is really incredulous.

- walk
 
84Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 07, 2007, 11:39
The expert proved that there were 27 instances of malware/spyware before she was ever there. They also showed that all she knew how to do was read AOL email on a computer. Yet apparently, the proscution got that stricken because they didn't have proper disclosure or something.

Apparently they convicted her because when the kids were viewing the porn, she came over and shielded tehm from it and tried to close it by clickong on the Xs, but that triggered more endless loops. She was instructed by the regular teacher to never to turn off thecomputers, yet because she didn't she now faces 40 years in prison for exposing the kids to porn. WTF!

The School even admitted they didn't have a firewall or software to prevent that from happening at the time but do now because of this. I see a MAJOR lawsuit coming against the school. I wouldn't have plead either if I were her. I am not going to prison for something that I am totally innocent of and am a victim of circumstances. There is no way this conviction can possibly remain. Surely the appeals court will overturn this conviction simply for not allowing this expert's testimony. Seems by not allowing it, it is overly predgidicial against the defendant. I am not a lawyer so I could be wrong, but if I am a judge, I'd give the defendant great lattitude in defending him/herself. Surely they could have recessed and allowed the prosectution time to do what they had to do. Furthermore, if I am a prosecutor, I am not persuing this. I am so tired of prosecutors trying to win rather than seeing that (common sense) justice is done.
 
85walk
ID: 3511361116
Wed, Feb 07, 2007, 12:11
Wasn't there a judge in the courtroom in the first place? I mean, if the article is accurate, the proceedings and verdict make like no sense. Maybe she'll be sentenced to like 30 days or some fine as the judge's way of saying: "this crap made no sense," but how can it even come to a conviction? If the article is accurate, she should be teased for having no computer tech savvy, being a wimp for not turning off the computer, and be supported for having to go through such a demeaning and frustrating experience.

I also wonder if the parents are for her or against her...I mean, why would anyone want to ever teach in a classroom if by circumstance they can get 40 years for being in the wrong place at the wrong time (let alone harassed by students, disrespected, etc.). This story --> endless rant.

I gotta believe there are some other facts that were not included in the article. The thing just does not add up.

- walk
 
86boikin
ID: 59831214
Wed, Feb 07, 2007, 12:23
A similar thing happened in my town, the librarian was fired from the town library becuase they found someone looking at porn at the library and it was her resposibilty to go around a watch every computer and make sure that porn was not on them even though she knew nothing about computers and had other jobs to do. lucky for her i guess she only got fired though.
 
87Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Wed, Feb 07, 2007, 20:26
MBJ - by your statements in the Wilson thread, she should have accepted the plea bargain, and plead guilty, no matter what?

Wilson was guilty under the law. He was going to be convicted. There was a video recroding of him committing the "crime" he was charged with. There was no question of fact in his case.

That's simular to this case, how exactly?
 
88Tree
ID: 29082512
Thu, Feb 08, 2007, 13:18
apparently, she was guilty by law too.
 
89bibA
Leader
ID: 261028117
Thu, Feb 08, 2007, 16:24
"simular", hmmm. I could picture a particular president pronouncing it this way, but a well educated scholar like MBJ? I don't know....
 
90Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Thu, Feb 08, 2007, 23:18
tree - in her question there was an issue of fact.

biba - me no spell so gud.
 
91sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Sat, Feb 10, 2007, 15:14
In the classic "Not me, I'm different" category:


Minn boy gets frostbite...

It was 17 below zero at halftime Sunday in this city about 30 miles northwest of Minneapolis, and D.J. Brown's dad said it was too cold to continue the tradition...
 
92Boxman
ID: 211139621
Sun, Feb 11, 2007, 09:34
#91 is what is referred to as "evolution". The stupid die, the smart, supposedly, survive.

The fine folks at The Onion, in their eternal sarcasm, may have stumbled upon something.

Could this be a form of capital punishment that the environmental left would support?
 
93wolfer
ID: 24148211
Wed, Feb 21, 2007, 12:49
OOPS!
 
94Tree
ID: 29082512
Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 13:46
ok...i'm putting cracked.com - the website for the gone-too-long but now back humour mag of the same name - on my top 10 websites...

for example...

The 5 Most Obviously Drug-Fueled TV Appearances Ever

where else can you see legendary TV appearances by Crispin Glover, James Brown, and Richard Pryor?

or maybe...

The 7 Most Insane Moments from Cable Access TV

i'm partial to numbers 6, 4, and 1, with 6 just being perhaps one of the most insane moments of anything, anywhere, anytime.
 
95walk
Dude
ID: 32928238
Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 15:04
I'm watching #6 now, that is just unreal. It's not to be believed. Thanks for the link. Soon to be banned from where I type, but not on the list...yet.

Cracked (and Mad)....aaaah, the memories.

- walk
 
96walk
Dude
ID: 32928238
Wed, Feb 28, 2007, 15:07
"Let's Paint, exercise and make blended drinks!" (and take some nasty phone calls)
 
97walk
Dude
ID: 32928238
Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 14:13
Swiss Accidentally Invade Lichtenstein
 
98Seattle Zen
ID: 38235215
Fri, Mar 02, 2007, 17:12
Oh, man, number 5 from the Public Access list just KILLED me.

"Repeat it after me, bitch, I come in the name of Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit!"

"Ruler of Heaven and Erf, and every Goddam thing inbetween".
 
99Tree
ID: 3927312
Sat, Mar 03, 2007, 17:09
never mind the fact that pretty much any time Skelator Coulter opens her mouth, you get a WTF moment, but this one's pretty good. nice video clip there...

it's also no surprise that the next video clip i watched was this...

it's got the same maturity level as Coulter, but is much, much funnier.
 
100Tree
ID: 1622149
Sun, Mar 04, 2007, 20:05
fallout from Coulter's comments...

maybe it's time to trot the old hag out to pasture. or, at least bring her behind the barn, and put her out of her misery.

on her way though, she might want to eat a sandwich. what kind of sicko finds that even remotely attractive?
 
101walk
Dude
ID: 32928238
Tue, Mar 06, 2007, 13:04
I guess Scooter Libby being found guilty of 4 of 5 counts, and yet there's no attempt to try the dude who leaked Plame's ID in the first place (Libby? Armitrage? Cheney?)?...so that we can get to impeaching Dickhead and Bush for lying to the world about starting a war (amongst other things).

- walk
 
102Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 15:27
Calamari rings the size of tractor tires!
 
103walk
ID: 259313119
Thu, Mar 08, 2007, 22:26
Gingrich Admits Extramarital Affair During Clinton Impeachment
 
104Baldwin
ID: 3503618
Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 08:59
Got a great 'public sector' pension coming when you retire? Maybe not so much.
 
105Baldwin
ID: 3503618
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 11:37
"Don't take that call unless he's loaded."
 
106Tree
ID: 29082512
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 11:52

reading that shlocky article in WND:

A new plan proposed in Congress would establish that every American is a "citizen-lobbyist" and force executive branch officials to record and publish all contacts with them, virtually eliminating the free exchange of ideas needed for open representative government, say critics.

why is "citizen-lobbyist" in quotation marks? no where in the bill is that phrase used. is WND trying to imply something that isn't true?

hmm, i wonder.

additionally, the bill specifically says:
(2) SIGNIFICANT CONTACT-

`(A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in subparagraph (B), the term `significant contact' means oral or written communication (including electronic communication) that is made by a private party to a covered executive branch official in which such private party seeks to influence official action by any officer or employee of the executive branch of the United States.

`(B) EXCEPTION- The term `significant contact' does not include any communication that is an exception to the definition of `lobbying contact'--

`(i) under clauses (i) through (vii) or clauses (ix) through (xix) of subparagraph (B) of paragraph (8) of section 3 of the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995 (2 U.S.C. 1602(8)(i)-(vii) or (ix)-(xix)); or

`(ii) with respect to publically available information only, under clause (viii) of subparagraph (B) of paragraph (8) of section 3 of the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995 (2 U.S.C. 1602(8)(viii)).


seems to me that bolded part takes care of WND's concerns...
 
107Baldwin
ID: 3503618
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 12:06
That's every single special interest group down to the tiny 'rotoguru posters against euthanazia' subgroup. Tho I think in practice it will eliminate contact with the average man on the street as surely as watergate ended the freedom to write down your own thots in the WH without having them served.
 
108Tree
ID: 29082512
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 12:19
That's every single special interest group down to the tiny 'rotoguru posters against euthanazia' subgroup.

only on Planet Paranoid.
 
109sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 12:31
Much as I hate to, if one assumes the WND article to be accurate, I'd have to side with Baldwin on this one.

I've called the WH or my Congressman on a few occassions in the past, and in each case it was done with the intent to "influence official action". What other purpose would there be, to letting your Congressman know your stand on a particular issue, other than to "influence official action" as it poertains to that Congressmans vote on that issue?????
 
110Perm Dude
ID: 422221521
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 12:31
Given our Executive Branch's tendency to hide even their legally-required correspondence through the use of outside email addresses, I doubt even this would work to do what it should.

Why anyone would think that conversations with a public official need to be secret is beyond me.
 
111sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 12:42
Not that they need to be secret, but does each and every contact truly require complete documentation of that contact? For my own part, if my Congressmans office maintains a tally of In Favor/Opposed and puts my tic on my viewpoints side, I'm happy with that "documentation". (Of course, I have no way of knowing if this is being done or not.)
 
112Perm Dude
ID: 422221521
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 13:03
Sarge, this doesn't apply to Congress, only the Executive Branch.
 
113Perm Dude
ID: 422221521
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 13:09
Also, it should be noted that this legislation only covers communication already defined as "lobbying" in the Lobbying Disclosure Act.

This legislation, then, only covers speech which is already regulated in the LDA, and requires certain Executive Branch officials to track their meetings.
 
114sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 13:45
True enough PD. A little "closer" reading on my part was called for.

Given that I dont see idividual phone calls to the WH as having much impact on "official policy" beyond making the caller feel better, I'm beginning to question why anyone would portray this as having any sort of squelching affect upon "grass roots" movements.
 
115Perm Dude
ID: 422221521
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 13:47
Yeah--I guess the appearance of person to person connection is important. I can see myself as an old man, looking up the White House switchbard number, though, about once a week. Mostly, to get those damn kids off my lawn!

:)
 
116Baldwin
ID: 3503618
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 15:56
If they can throw a media firestorm over legally firing AG's who serve at the pleasure of the president, they will surely impeach the next president who doesn't bother to report that visit from boy scout troop #4329 because of their potential to sway him. Assuming this were to pass.
 
117Perm Dude
ID: 422221521
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 16:15
ROFL! Yes, the AGs who were fired for not indicting Democrats for political reasons do, indeed serve at the pleasure of the President. And we should shut our eyes that they were fired for political reasons and that Congress was lied to about it.

The only thing they got Clinton on was lying about his affair with Lewinsky. Are you now claiming that lying to Congress is OK by the Executive Branch?

I thought not.
 
118sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 21:29
Only if its a Republican Executive Branch. In that case, all is to be forgiven.
 
119Baldwin
ID: 3503618
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 02:19
The first thing Janet Reno did was fire every last AG in the country for political reasons. Which goes a long way to revealing why the Clintin's escaped getting indicted for numerous crimes which have been well documented.

After that any Dem complaint about that sort of thing should be laughed out of the court of public opinion.
 
120nerveclinic
ID: 5423173
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 05:32
Post 56 Residents of a southern Somalia town who do not pray five times a day will be beheaded, an official said Wednesday, adding the edict will be implemented in three days.

Shops, tea houses and other public places in Bulo Burto, about 124 miles northeast of the capital, Mogadishu, should be closed during prayer time and no one should be on the streets, said Sheik Hussein Barre Rage, the chairman of the town's Islamic court. His court is part of a network backed by armed militiamen that has taken control of much of southern Somalia in recent months, bringing a strict interpretation of Islam that is alien to many Somalis.

Those who do not follow the prayer edict after three days have elapsed, "will definitely be beheaded according to Islamic law," Rage told The Associated Press by phone. "As Muslims we should practice Islam fully, not in part, and that is what our religion enjoins us to do."


Well Ethipoia solved this problem when they invaded and overthrew the Islamic Fundamentalist government. This shouldn't be a problem any more.


 
121nerveclinic
ID: 5423173
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 05:42
This happened just a few days ago put there is a story like this in the paper here about once a week.

PAKISTAN
Three Pakistan's stoned for adultery
Saad Khan
Thu, 15 Mar 2007

Pro-Taliban extremists in a Pakistani tribal area stoned and then shot dead two men and a woman for alleged adultery, officials and witnesses said on Thursday.

Some 800 tribesmen watched the executions by the Lashkar-i-Islam (Army of Islam) group on Wednesday in the Khyber tribal district on the border with Afghanistan, they said.

The trio were tied up with ropes, and tribal elders and other men gathered at a patch of open ground and stoned them. Two masked members of the hardline group then shot them with Kalashnikov rifles, witnesses said.


In fairness, the story is always reported as "shocking" and the government of Pakistan has outlawed this practice. It still happens all the time though and the executioners, of the family members are rarely punished,

link

 
122Perm Dude
ID: 41240178
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 10:58
The first thing Janet Reno did was fire every last AG in the country for political reasons.

Just like Bush. As is common when a new Administration takes over.

Baldwin, if you can't even understand the Democratic complaints, please don't bother trying to respond to them with bad Drudge talking points.

pd
 
123Tree
ID: 31237176
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 12:16
The first thing Janet Reno did was fire every last AG in the country for political reasons. Which goes a long way to revealing why the Clintin's escaped getting indicted for numerous crimes which have been well documented.

After that any Dem complaint about that sort of thing should be laughed out of the court of public opinion.


i do believe you've long since used up your allotments of:

1. the Clintons, blah blah blah evil murder satan blah blah blah.
2. Dems can't complain because after all they did it themselves. so, two wrongs make a right, Baldwin? we should continue in an endless cycle of people not answering for their misdeed?
 
124bibA
ID: 3122376
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 12:53
While no admirer of Bush and his minions, I would say that if Reno did in fact fire every AG in the country for political reasons shortly after Clinton took office, I would find it hard to criticize Bush for firing 8.

If this is unfair, then the overall practice of firing AGs should be dealt with and articulated. Possibly some sort of bi-partisan panel could make recommendations as to dealing with this in the future.
 
125Perm Dude
ID: 41240178
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 13:05
B wants to have it both ways (as usual): Say that the AGs serve at the pleasure of the President so to insulate Bush from criticism. Then criticize Clinton for doing what presidents in the past have done: Asking for resignations when he came into power.

Here are some differences:

-Clinton never said he was firing anyone for performance reasons (which Bush has stated, despite uniformly excellent performance evaluations).

-Reno never lied to Congress about it.

-Clinton never replaced any AG without Congressional approval.

-Clinton never fired any AG for investigating Democrats, and never fired any for not investigating Republicans (Baldwin would cover all this with his "for political reasons" blanket).

-Clinton didn't insert last-minute wording into legislation in order to replace compatant AGs with resume-building party loyalists ("Bushies," to use their own terminology).

Would Baldwin have to invent a Clinton if he didn't already have one to blame all Bush's problems upon?
 
126Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 13:11
Say what you will about Reno but it was she who assigned a special prosecutor to investigate Whitewater, which eventually led to Clinton's impeachment.

Never in a million years would Gonzalez see Bush investigated. Bush has propped up Gonzalez at every stage of his carrer and is responsible for (I believe) every public position he has ever served in.

Further, the issue is not that prosecutors were fired under Gonzalez, but why they were fired, that their replacemnets - unlike Clinton/Reno era will not have to be confirmed by the Senate and that the administration has repeatedly lied about all it.

Every new Presidential Administration comes in and switches out many or most serving US Attorneys. However, US Attorneys are almost never pushed out before completing their 4 year terms in the middle of an administration unless they are believed to be involved in some kind of wrongdoing.

Don't worry, I won't hold ignorance of these facts against those of you who depend on Fox News Channel as your primary source for historical information relevent to current events, since I am aware of the terrible disadvantage such a dependency puts you in.

Congressional Research Reports for the People
At least 54 U.S. attorneys appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate left office before completion of a four-year term between 1981 and 2006 (not counting those whose tenure was interrupted by a change in presidential administration). Of those 54, 17 left to become Article III federal judges, one left to become a federal magistrate judge, six left to serve in other positions in the executive branch, four sought elective office, two left to serve in state government, one died, and 15 left to enter or return to private practice. Of the remaining eight U.S. attorneys who left before completing a four-year term without a change in presidential administration, two were apparently dismissed by the President, and three apparently resigned after news reports indicated they had engaged in questionable personal actions.
So while Baldwin would have anyone (sorry - any Dem) publicly derided for voicing a complaint about firing a truly unprecedented 7 US Attorneys in one day. No suspicions or wrongdoing, no scandals, unless you count the political profiling referred to by PD in the Gonzalez Must Go thread that those seven (nd Margaret Chiara, fired last month) apparently refused to take part in.
 
127bibA
ID: 3122376
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 14:06
And here I thought that maybe just this once the Bush administration was receiving unfair heat. I guess I should have known better.

I was wrong. How out you Baldwin? Did you possibly make a judgement before having all the facts? Knowing that you are an open minded sort, can you admit being in error here?
 
128Perm Dude
ID: 41240178
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 14:27
Handy timeline
 
129Baldwin
ID: 3503618
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 16:47
firing a truly unprecedented 7 US Attorneys in one day. - MITH

First of all how can you say 'truly unprecedented' when Clinton fired every last one as practically his first act in office?

The difference here is that Clinton couldn't have lasted in office one month if the AG from Arkansas had been allowed to procede with investigations of Whitewater or shinanigans at the Bank Hillary worked for, Morgan Guarantee or if Clinton hadn't managed to interfere with the RTA investigation of the Clinton's.

In my estimation they were all fired so it wouldn't be noticed that they were quashing an investigation of themselves in Arkansas.

In Bush's case for all I know all 9 were fired to cover the fact that they were firing an AG on the border [New Mexico] who wasn't playing ball destroying the border and wasn't facilitating the drug trade for Bush.

I'm not saying Bush is clean, but I am pointing out that the uneven coverage between the media's handling of Clinton's AG dismissals and Bush's is a classic example of liberal media bias at work.

 
130Perm Dude
ID: 22171713
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 17:47
It is all speculation on your part, Baldwin.

The "uneven" coverage is due to the facts being different. Here's a tip: Look to see what Bush I and Reagan did when they came into office. They maybe you'll see the difference.

You know, of course, that Presidents can fire any AG. They can also fire their own cabinet members. But replacement AGs used to have to be confirmed by the Senate--but no more. (You still don't see a difference?). What if Bush decided to fire his Sec of the Interior, lied to Congress about why, then replaced them with an obvious partisan hack in order to "get them experience," after sneaking in a provision into some legislation which allowed him to replace the Sec without Senate confirmation? OK by you because Clinton, well, nevermind.
 
131Baldwin
ID: 3503618
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 18:45
Yes, PD, I see the difference. Firing every last one wasn't even suspicious to you, but when the other side fires a couple...act like you just saw evil for the first time in your life.
 
132Baldwin
ID: 3503618
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 18:48
BTW PD, what are the odds that when Clinton fired every last one, that a few of them had above average performance reviews?
 
133Perm Dude
ID: 22171713
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 19:31
Uh, Baldwin, you know he didn't actually "fire" them, right? And you know he asked for resignation letters (which isn't the same thing) at the beginning of his term, right?
 
134Perm Dude
ID: 22171713
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 19:38
And just to be clear: The issue isn't whether they were fired. It is why they were fired. Your harping on Clinton shows that the distinction still eludes you.
 
135Baldwin
ID: 3503618
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 19:59
Uh, I know more about Clinton's crimes than everyone on this board x infinity. I do indeed understand why they were fired, dozens of reasons. I even have a 'memo' that the liberal media chose to bury called the White House Task List which explains why this administration had to assign the WH Counsel's Office to engage in fulltime coverup mode instead of their traditional role of keeping the WH actions legal and also explains why they didn't dare have an AG or RTA investigator out there who wasn't in their hip pocket.
 
136Tree
ID: 362421718
Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 21:03
Uh, I know more about Clinton's alleged crimes than everyone on this board x infinity.

fixed that for ya.

but that line right there pretty much sums it up. this isn't at all about what Clinton did.

it's what GW Bush did, and the differences.

you are consistently ignoring that fact in every post. post 130 went so far over your head, it might as well have been the moon.
 
137sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 01:10
That Baldwin seems intent on making a career out of Clinton-Bashing, is cause enough for me to go WTF?
 
139Baldwin
ID: 3503618
Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 05:20
Tree

I hasten to point out that list of scandals were compiled by Clinton's own legal staff before anyone else even had exposed some of them.

I provide this to contrast the reaction now to detirmine whether any of this outrage is legitimate. If it was it would have been evident in the much more egregious case of Clinton.

When move0n types are waving a leaked memo showing the executive branch making a list of who was in their pocket and who wasn't, there have been much worse memos leaked with not a peep from the liberal media or any hint of firestorm.

Liberals are always handing tickets out at the indy 500 and insisting that we not look at the context. Always looking for left-handed ratchets.
 
140Baldwin
ID: 3503618
Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 05:31
I know you guys would LOVE to turn back the clock to the days when the liberal media was the only 'watchdog' and he only bit republicans but now the internet exposes the unfair racket they are running.
 
141bibA
ID: 3122376
Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 11:09
Talk about turning back the clock! Most posters here are attempting to deal with situations that are currently taking place, like in the present. One poster tho continues to harp on the past decades. And HE states that "you guys would love to turn back the clock". LOL
 
142Tree
ID: 11218186
Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 11:27
Baldwin - i've yet to see you address PD's post 130, pointing out the actions of Bush the Wiser and Reagan the Forgetful.

your argument hasn't changed in as long as i've been on this board. instead of exploring the facts, or countering the actual content of someone's post, you just ignore, and well...

 
143Perm Dude
ID: 3326187
Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 11:28
list of scandals were compiled by Clinton's own legal staff

One more time: Those were "scandals." They were a list of politically soft/vulnerable topics. They were not a list of confessions in bullet form.

Your threshhold for guilt for the Clintons doesn't even exist anymore. And it is clear that what threshhold you should have has been added to the current Administration, making them virtually immune to criticism by you.
 
144Baldwin
ID: 3503618
Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 12:16
No, I'm just not gonna let you get away with constructing an uneven playing field. It offends my sense of fairness and insults everyone's intelligence. It is unfortunate that Clinton forever lowered the bar but that was predictable when the PD's of the world let him.
 
145Baldwin
ID: 3503618
Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 12:20
And I would welcome an investigation of what role Bush and his skull&bones clique had in deregulating the S&L's during Reagan's term. Investigate every one of those connected people who looted them.

With one proviso...

You don't get to have a firestorm over Silverado if you are gonna give Hillary a free pass for the same thing.
 
147Tree
ID: 11218186
Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 13:21
Post 130 - Look to see what Bush I and Reagan did when they came into office. They maybe you'll see the difference.

going to keep ignoring it, Baldwin?

(i realize this is the part where you come back and call be a dunderhead or something equally as juvenile, but come on, try to actually discuss the point)
 
148Baldwin
ID: 3503618
Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 13:38
Find me any of those AG's who were fired for 'doing the right thing' and I'll be suitably outraged proportionate with the background of prevailing corruption that pervades human government. But I will still insist on equal treatment and I will not allow only one side to be given the 'white glove' test while giving the other side a free pass. I just won't have it.
 
149Seattle Zen
ID: 62321719
Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 14:23
Baldy

In Bush's case for all I know all 9 were fired to cover the fact that they were firing an AG on the border [New Mexico] who wasn't playing ball destroying the border and wasn't facilitating the drug trade for Bush.

Now were talkin'. Where did you hear this? Do you have a link?
 
151sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 14:40
It offends my sense of fairness...

That comment (claim?), made me spit my dt dew all over my keyboard.

Baldwins "Sense of Fairness" defined:


Dem?-Guilty (who cares of what...they're just guilty.)

Rep?-Innocent victim of the MM conspiracy against conservative values. (What evidence to the contrary?)
 
152Baldwin
ID: 3503618
Sun, Mar 18, 2007, 16:57
SZ

Nope, I didn't read that anywhere. That is just the first suspicion that leaps to mind considering it's another border state. I assume Jeb and George already managed to get the AG's in their states rigged to facilitate illegals and drug trade. But now he can rig the whole border.

But evidence-wise all I know is that they said in internal memos that they were unhappy that particular AG was sitting on some corruption charges vs some dems.
 
153Perm Dude
ID: 3255256
Sun, Mar 25, 2007, 18:48
Bad food gallery
 
154Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Sun, Mar 25, 2007, 18:51
I've got the book. LMFAO
 
155Perm Dude
ID: 32241278
Tue, Mar 27, 2007, 12:02
Milk on Amazon!

The reviews had me LMAO. Very, very funny.
 
156sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Mar 28, 2007, 18:42
Fairy corpse
 
157katietx
ID: 3810431417
Wed, Mar 28, 2007, 19:40
Oh puuullease...I could make one of these in an afternoon.
 
158Boxman
ID: 571114225
Wed, Mar 28, 2007, 19:48
There are fairy corpses all over the graveyards of San Francisco. HAR HAR HAR!!!
 
159Perm Dude
ID: 16250308
Fri, Mar 30, 2007, 18:58
C'mon Bush. Get off your ass on this one.
 
160Baldwin
ID: 3503618
Fri, Mar 30, 2007, 21:59
Would love to see that.
 
161Perm Dude
ID: 16250308
Fri, Mar 30, 2007, 22:00
I would have thought that the case is question would have pushed all his "hot buttons." And made him look like a bit of a justice hero all at the same time.
 
162Baldwin
ID: 3503618
Fri, Mar 30, 2007, 22:10
Bush hang's pretty tuff but every now and then he hands the liberal's a bone. He needs to hang tuff every time. He should have let congress question empty seats when they go trying to micro-managing his perogatives. They knew they didn't have a legal leg to stand on. It was a fishing expedition for 'coverup' which the media considers worse than any crime. Don't bother trying to please them in the first place and all would have been well.
 
163Perm Dude
ID: 16250308
Fri, Mar 30, 2007, 22:13
What are you talking about?
 
164Seattle Zen
ID: 46315247
Fri, Mar 30, 2007, 23:49
PD re post 159

The story of David Henson McNab sickens me, unreal.
 
165Boxman
ID: 571114225
Sat, Mar 31, 2007, 17:24
Don't have a link, but I think we've all probably experienced this.

The Mrs and I were at Best Buy and when we got rung up, the kid asks me the following questions:

Do you want the magazine subscriptions?

Do you want to upgrade your Best Buy rewards card to a Best Buy Visa?

Do you want a Service Plan?

WTF is going on here? I didn't get mad at the kid because I understand he's 16 and just doing what The Man wants him to do, but enough is enough here already. I withstood the flurry of questions and just made my purchase. I'm really sick of the questions about the Service Plans. Then the rates they charge for these plans is such a high % of the cost of the item that I'd be a fool to do it.

The Mrs. wants a laptop so since we were already at Best Buy (I won't buy one there.) I wanted to look around. The friggin' warranty on a $700 laptop is $250! That's 36% of the pre-tax purchase price. IIRC, my car around 28k pre-tax/title/doc etc. Using that percentage the warranty for my car would've been a tad over 10k.

I explained this to a Best Buy salesman one time when he asked me about a warranty and he looked like I just spoke ancient Greek to him.

Those people at Best Buy are nuts.
 
166Electroman
ID: 372412215
Tue, Apr 03, 2007, 21:44
5th Graders have sex in class.

Crazy stuff.
 
167TB
Sherpa
ID: 031811922
Wed, Apr 04, 2007, 00:03
Snorting Human

Keith Richards has always been a wild dude, but that's crazier than just drinking the blue stuff.
 
168katietx
ID: 3810431417
Sat, Apr 07, 2007, 16:40
This is a real WTF day in central Texas.

So far:

Rain, sleet (almost like hail) and now snow that is actually accumulating! The hight was 39 - at 8 am this morning. Falling ever since. So much for the peach tree that was going to have peaches this year. :-P
 
169Perm Dude
ID: 1434597
Mon, Apr 09, 2007, 19:13
"Nancy Pelosi, please report to Personnel..."
 
170sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 13:40
As some GA Highschoolers drag a kicking and screaming GA into the 21st Century....
 
171Perm Dude
ID: 29358107
Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 13:55
...Turner County High already has defied tradition this year. The school abandoned its practice of naming separate white and black homecoming queens. Instead, a mixed-race student was named the county's first solo homecoming queen.

That's one good compromise!
 
172katietx
ID: 3810431417
Tue, Apr 10, 2007, 17:07
Wonder if they invited Sharpton & Jackson? ;-)
 
173sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Apr 11, 2007, 12:55
roflmao

ATM thief loses prosthetic leg, trying to run away from cops
 
174sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Fri, Apr 13, 2007, 00:01
not sure if this goes here, or in gaming and entertainment?!?!?!

fireman in bikini pinched for drunken romp
 
175Boxman
ID: 571114225
Sun, Apr 15, 2007, 19:42
Serial Killers Cleared by Iranian Supreme Court as Victims' Activities Were Un-Islamic

The Iranian Supreme Court has vacated the murder convictions of a group of serial killers because their victims were engaging in un-Islamic activities, the British Broadcasting Corp. reports.

The men were convicted for a series of grisly killings in the southeastern city of Kerman in 2002. The vigilantes were said to believe that Islam condoned the killing of anyone engaged in illicit activities if they issued two warnings to the victims, the BBC reports.

At least 18 people were killed on the murder spree, but the men were only tried for five of the deaths. Some of the victims were stoned, others were suffocated and at least one man was buried alive, according to the vigilantes' confessions.

These men told the court that their understanding of the teachings of one Islamic cleric allowed them to kill immoral people if they had ignored two warnings to stop their bad behavior, according to the BBC.
 
176Baldwin
ID: 3503618
Sun, Apr 15, 2007, 19:49
It becomes a bit more clear how Toral can be considered conservative when you consider what you have in Canada to contrast him with.
 
177Wilmer McLean
ID: 133591918
Thu, Apr 19, 2007, 21:03
Doctors Remove a Gallbladder Through the XXXXXX

By DENISE GRADY

Doctors in New York have removed a woman’s gallbladder with instruments passed through her XXXXXX, a technique they hope will cause less pain and scarring than the usual operation, and allow a quicker recovery. The technique can eliminate the need to cut through abdominal muscles, a major source of pain after surgery.

The operation was experimental, part of a study that is being done to find out whether people will fare better if abdominal surgery is performed through natural openings in the body rather than cuts in the belly. The surgery still requires cutting, through the wall of the XXXXXX, stomach or colon, but doctors say it should hurt less because those tissues are far less sensitive than the abdominal muscles.

 
178katietx
ID: 3810431417
Thu, Apr 19, 2007, 23:55
Oh dear sweet Baby Jesus....va$ina is a "forbidden word"
 
179Perm Dude
ID: 2348197
Thu, Apr 19, 2007, 23:58
Reminds me of when AOL banned "breast." A number of women were also up in arms, asking if they needed to start calling their organization "Hooter Cancer Survivors Group."
 
181Tree
ID: 36361921
Fri, Apr 20, 2007, 00:11
don't worry about it katie. there are plenty of other words that aren't forbidden. i tested them out for ya. :o)
 
182katietx
ID: 3810431417
Fri, Apr 20, 2007, 12:59
LOL, Tree...I'll just bet you did. :-P
 
183Tree
ID: 29082512
Fri, Apr 20, 2007, 15:01
lol. indeed.
 
184walk
Dude
ID: 32928238
Fri, Apr 20, 2007, 16:20
x-ray
 
185sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sat, Apr 21, 2007, 21:37
OK....here is a list of experiences from ONE, longtime senior manager in the retail auto-industry. These "tales", are absolutely true.

GM = General Manager Runs the place, 1 step below DP in authority.
DP=Dealer Principle; owner of the store
GSM = General Sales Manager, 1 step below GM
SM = Sales Manager, 1 step below GSM, NCM/UCM = New Car Manager/Used Car Manager. Lateral positions for the most part.
SP = Sales Person


Old war stories....

In all my years in the automotive industry here are a few things I have witnessed.

1. Women breast-feeding

2. Husband asks me if I think his wife's breast still looks good.

3. Salesmen fist fight, sales women fistfight, office ladies fist fight, mechanics fist fight.

4. Service manager and the GM fist fight.

5. Angry customer fist fight cops.

6. Cops mace angry customer.

7. Cops use night-stick on angry customer.

8. Guns pulled on salespeople.

9. Gun fire inside the store.

10. Salesperson pull gun on customer, customer pulls his own gun, they both leave and go get drunk with each other.

11. Customer uses bathroom, smell is so bad the entire building has to be evacuated, face turns red she runs to her trade and leaves. Owner blames me for letting her leave.

12. New vehicle totaled at the first traffic light.

13. Same salesperson totals 10 vehicles within 30 days...no one has demo anymore, salesperson who totaled 10 vehicles gets dragged to the back gets his behind kicked, steals vehicle guess what happened.

14. Total of 42 people on sales side, I am the only one who has not done serious time, I am the only one who does not have a DUI conviction, I am the only one who has never been arrested. Outcome 500 units a month.

15. Sales manager leaves for lunch in used vehicle, robs bank, robs another bank, and again and again. This time he robs the bank he banks at... swat team comes to dealership, did say one swat team, there was at least 3 swat teams there, the police helicopter was flying overhead. FBI agents racing to arrest sales manager crash into new car-line, results 2 vehicle totaled, 2 others badly damaged, FBI blames dealership for having vehicles on the lot.

16. Salesman working at store one hour takes first up they ask for DP, thirty-minutes later DP steaming mad because salesman doesn't know who DP is... fist fight between salesman and DP. I watch DP get his behind kicked badly. Later DP says to me "why didn't you pull him off me"? I say "you deserved it, your a a$$hole".

17. I win my first ever F&I 10 day trip, I get the phone call and mail with all the details, I forget about trip, I call to say I missed trip. Let us look into it, call back - our records show you went! I ask GM and SM who took my trip? They laugh tell me DP did. Two days later I get $10k 1099 in the mail and its tax time. I go to DP tell him he needs to cough up $$ for the tax. DP tells me if I want to continued to work their I pay the taxes.I call the IRS, enforcement agent comes to see me, Tell my side, IRS issues DP revised 1099 and penalty for fraud. DP furious at me, I get my next paycheck minus the penalty and 50% of the taxes, DP says now who's laughing. I go to State labor board, tell my side, Labor board that day launches investigation, next day labor board comes to store wants all employment records, one week later issued store a fine, hearing set for my complaint, ruling in my favor DP and I go back to store. DP still won't pay, I get judgment + interested 18%, two days before deadline DP attorney calls me offers 50% of awarded amount, I pass on offer. Deadline I serve the store's bank with judgment, they issue check. In case your wondering I continued to work there labor board told DP if he lets me go they will be back to prove a point.

18. Sales manger throws customers keys on roof, customer gets mad throws chair threw main window, cops come arrest customer.

19. Customer is mad at manufacture not dealership...decides to drive vehicle through showroom, breaks nearly every window, damages two vehicles in showroom, cops come, customer punches lady cop, lot's of male cops show up... guess what happen?

20. Body found in rear lot, one year later another body.

21. Back to the store with all the criminals. Saturday night around midnight, I heard cheering I walk over see what what is going on, lot's of people are playing dice. I have no concept of the game, I ask how to play, I'm told I need cash to play and they will teach me, I say is $200 enough...lot's of smiles...Sure. I have first time luck now its 3 am I'm up $30K, I want to leave...not going to happen, I have to stay until 5 am to give them a chance to win their money back, 4 am I'm up $40k, 5 am up $34K I leave looking over my back thinking I'm going to get feed to the fishes. Now the best part...most people made good money at this store but nowhere near the amount that was being wagered, what do you think?

22. Credit returns a repo to store, vehicle sitting in back lot for about ten days, I'm talking with a police officer {asked what incentives are} in his car, repo goes racing off, I say that car is being stolen, I jump in passenger seat, 20 minute high speed chase, 10+ police cars in chase, police box in stolen vehicle bring it to a stop, out jumps a girl, she runs cops chase her down, she goes to jail. Very cool being in a police car with the sirens on.

23. Customer comes in, gives me the line he wants to buy five vehicles and pay cash, I roll my eyes but play along nothing else to do, we settle on five vehicles, customer leaves deposit of $25K, okay maybe I have something but I still think the guy is a stroke or crazy. One week, two weeks, three weeks, now six weeks later I have not been able to get in contact with customer. I get paged to the front, waiting there is law enforcement they want information about my customer, DP comes racing out, I tell them I thought the guy was crazy or just a pure stroke, I have been trying to contact him for six weeks he wanted to buy five vehicles. I ask why they are interested in this guy, cops say he was the victim of very brutal homicide my card was in his wallet. Now I'm shaking nothing like this has ever happened to me plus I feel bad for the guy.

Later I ask DP for 50% of deposit left by customer, DP tells me to kiss off, I ask again, DP says kiss off, I ask again DP says kiss off and if you bring up this again your fired! I call cops who came by tell them victim left $25K deposit and DP told me not to tell them about it which he did... Guess what happen?

24. Store with all the criminals. GM gets threaten by two sales people who have done time for manslaughter {GM is going to get whacked}. GM takes threat serious, hires body guard to sit at sales desk with him, two sales people start having mixed words with GM on Saturday with at least 30 customers in showroom, Body guard pulls weapon, shoves it in sales persons mouth {no kidding says "do you feel lucky punk"}, sales person is still on the ground, body guard delivers 4 to 5 solid kicks, My customer asks me whats going on, I say this is how the GM keeps these animals in line, customer smiles, says I'll buy it get the paperwork done. Out come record Saturday nearly everyone who witnesses the above bought.

25. DP has affair with receptionist, 15 months later a baby is born, DP hides birth from wife, GM and DP have a falling out, GM contacts wife, gives her pictures and all the juicy stuff, wife comes to dealership, fires DP, wife calls cops, have DP removed from premises. DP comes back next day, wife has restraining order, DP goes to jail.

26. DP {good person} dies at his desk of a massive heart attack, three days later manufacture comes to store to help wife, Zone manager asks sons {ages 23,24} who is going to be in-charge, both say they are, seconds later both are fist fighting on showroom floor, everyone is watching, mom comes out of office grabs each by the ear drags them to her office... fires both and announces she in charge.




After "knowing" this particular manager for over a year now, I am absolutely confident, that he is not "blowing smoke" with these experiences. It isnt his style at all. So, next time you think you're having a "bad day" at work...........
 
186Baldwin
ID: 14358177
Sun, Apr 22, 2007, 05:26
I want the movie rights.
 
187Baldwin
ID: 14358177
Sun, Apr 22, 2007, 05:35
Out come record Saturday nearly everyone who witnesses the above bought.

Why not, between the fact that the story that comes with that car is priceless, that and the bodies in the back...[what's your theory on those?]

*scenario* "No one backs out of a deal here, son".
 
188Baldwin
ID: 14358177
Sun, Apr 22, 2007, 05:40
Business plan:

Combine theater and auto dealership. Nearly everyone buys. Actors are only acting naturally.
 
189sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Apr 22, 2007, 08:09
Thats spanning an approx 25 yr career.
 
190sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Apr 22, 2007, 09:47
Just bought a new W/D, 3 weeks ago. After reading a disturbing number of negative review re a wide variety of makes/models, we selected a Frigidaire.

3 weeks after delivery....the W isnt working. Seems, appliance manufacturers have REALLY gone into the tank.
 
191Baldwin
ID: 14358177
Sun, Apr 22, 2007, 18:31
I would love to hear something objective regarding the reliability of Maytags made after Whirlpool bought them out.
 
192sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Apr 22, 2007, 18:33
read reviews...they went straight to shit.
 
193Baldwin
ID: 14358177
Sun, Apr 22, 2007, 19:14
And the sad thing is whirlpool is more reliable than many others. I was hoping they might actually want a quality line.
 
194sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sun, Apr 22, 2007, 19:28
according to what I've found....Whirlpool bought Maytag, after Maytag IIRC had acquired Amana.(or maybe it was Amana had acquired WP??? cant recall for certain) Then, they kept the worst of all 3 companies.
 
195walk
Dude
ID: 32928238
Mon, Apr 23, 2007, 09:45
sarge33rd, post #185 -- this was easily one of the most entertaining things I have read all year. Thanks. I don't mean to minimize the danger and drama that is your work-life, but man o' man, I was just entranced. This is some seriously fcuked up stuff! I would be scared to even know someone who worked there, let alone work there, let alone shop there. Some of your posts were hilarious (e.g. how everyone bought cars after your quip about the GM's bodyguard beating up the sales-person). I laud your actions about making sure you were justly compensated in story #s 17 & 23.

- walk
 
196Boxman
ID: 571114225
Sun, Apr 29, 2007, 17:41
Iran bans Western haircuts, eyebrow plucking for men

The student news agency ISNA quoted a police statement as saying: "In an official order to barbershops, they have been warned to avoid using Western hair styles and doing men's eyebrows."
 
197Perm Dude
ID: 40329307
Mon, Apr 30, 2007, 22:36
Freezer fails, bodies of cryonics pioneers thaw, are cremated
 
198Perm Dude
ID: 40329307
Mon, Apr 30, 2007, 22:40
Winner: Best blurb title
 
199sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, May 01, 2007, 14:27
re 195...walk, that wasnt me man. Was a guy I know and trust not to be blowing smoke.
 
200rockafellerskank
      ID: 51281619
      Tue, May 01, 2007, 21:44
Fake dog testicles help pet owners accept neutering

link

... falls under the category of TMI for me. No wonder the world hates us.
 
201katietx
      ID: 243562819
      Wed, May 02, 2007, 09:17
Too bad they aren't generally available for men who need them.
 
202wolfer
      ID: 24148211
      Wed, May 02, 2007, 13:40
Shouldn't someone have done their homework before the showing?
 
203katietx
      ID: 243562819
      Wed, May 02, 2007, 13:56
more sad that no one missed her.
 
204sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Thu, May 03, 2007, 13:28
Stolen wallet found 56 years later...to the day
 
205walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Wed, May 09, 2007, 17:19
Man cuts off own head
 
206Tree
      ID: 29082512
      Thu, May 10, 2007, 15:19
not really a WTF, but more like a I WANT TO WORK HERE!!!
 
207katietx
      ID: 11430613
      Thu, May 10, 2007, 15:49
um, yeah...if you go to work there...hire me as your assistant! ;-)
 
208sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Thu, May 10, 2007, 15:59
Scottys ashes....."lost"

WTF?????
 
209Tree
      ID: 29082512
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 13:25


perhaps the greatest site on the web, ever - not only is Objective: Ministries filled with zany goodness like proposals for a new U.S. Flag

and HalloWitness instead of Halloween,



it's chock full of superrific links like Biblical costumes and an urgent call to rebuild Noah's Ark!

personally, i am hauling ass to Frostburg, Maryland, post-haste!

 
210katietx
      ID: 11430613
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 13:28
no you're not hauling ass to MD - I know were you're hauling ass to. ;-)

but it is a very funny site...thanks for posting.

 
211leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 14:05
I have driven by the Noah's Ark being rebuilt sign over 50 times in my life (can see it off of I-68). That picture above, Tree, is as far as they have gotten in 30 years to rebuilding the ark. At this rate, it will be done by 2100.
 
212Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 19:07
From tree's website:


In order to expand on the work of Marsh, Wise, and ReMine and apply baraminology to my own field of expertise -- searching for the Lord's hidden creations -- I am proposing a new baraminological term: Cryptobaramin.

A cyrptobaramin is a holobaramin that is currently hidden from Mankind. By hidden, I mean that members of the baramin in question have not been seen since some time after the Flood by all but a very few people, if any. Notable examples include the pterosaurs (the saraph), sauropods (of the Behemoth apobaramin), and plesiosaurs (Leviathans


Read that outloud. It's very impressive sounding.
 
213Baldwin
      ID: 14358177
      Tue, May 15, 2007, 19:22
I suppose it's too much to ask that not all religious people be tarred just because you can find religious lunatics.

 
214Tree
      ID: 424131523
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 00:18
who here is tarring all religious people? personally, i agree with you. we should tar just the religious lunatics.
 
215Doug
      ID: 422281412
      Wed, May 16, 2007, 16:02
Continuing this story ark...
 
216walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Tue, May 22, 2007, 12:42
Porn Star and Tenn Police Officer Story
 
217katietx
      ID: 11430613
      Tue, May 22, 2007, 12:56
Having worked around a lot of cops in a former job, I can tell you this is not a "wtf" moment, rather a "yeah, so?" moment.

The "wtf" comes from his stupidity at leaving the camera on.
 
218walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Tue, May 22, 2007, 15:14
Yes, agreed katietx! The self-filming and then the handing over of the film to the pornstar are def the "WTF" parts of the story.

- walk
 
219Tree
      ID: 29082512
      Fri, May 25, 2007, 14:50
CooterFest!! in Inverness, Fl...personally, i'm partial to the t-shirts that go all the way up to XXXXXL in size...and say, on the back "A Little Cooter...never hurt anybody"...

and it seems, Jon Stewart beat me to the punch... damn, that was funny...
 
220katietx
      ID: 11430613
      Fri, May 25, 2007, 17:08
i can see where you'd be partial to those t-shirts. shame on you! ;-)

 
221Boxman
      ID: 571114225
      Sat, May 26, 2007, 06:19
Look at what this young man bagged on a hunting trip.
 
222Wilmer McLean
      ID: 17449309
      Wed, May 30, 2007, 12:30
Discovered video proves that Pope John Paul II was a swinger.
 
223walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Thu, May 31, 2007, 16:51
TB Case - now it's weird

This story just got bizarro to me...so, this guy with a highly resistant strain of TB, who sorta disobeyed strong guidance not to fly (just got married) has as his new father-in-law, a specialist on TB at the CDC? Very interesting...

- walk
 
224Doug
      ID: 113132214
      Fri, Jun 01, 2007, 01:36
Yeah that seemed really weird to me as well... I think I read the Govt. hasn't quarantined someone for this since the 60's? That's one hell of a coincidence.
 
225walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Fri, Jun 01, 2007, 09:23
I just read in today's NY Times that Speaker was stopped at the Canadian border on his way into the U.S., as the U.S. Customs agent accurately identified him as someone on a list that needed to be detained...but made a judgment call that since Speaker did not look ill, he let him proceed into NY (border crossing was at Plattsburg). Amazing.

Article
 
226Tree
      ID: 29082512
      Fri, Jun 01, 2007, 11:59
this whole thing is rife with stupidity.

Speaker oughta be thrown in jail. he knowingly put other people at risk for his own selfishness. i'm pretty sure many states have laws on their book concerning the knowing transmission of HIV - it's a damned shame there isn't something similar in this case.

and then the border agent making a judgement call?!!?!?!?!?
 
227boikin
      ID: 59831214
      Fri, Jun 01, 2007, 12:03
Speaker claims that the docters told him he could travel, from what they were saying on the news it appears that allot of docters really do not know much about TB and how easily or not easily spread it is.
 
228walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Fri, Jun 01, 2007, 14:27
Speaker said the doctors told him he could take limited travel but no overseas flights. He took a long overseas flight and intentionally flew to Canada, instead of the U.S. (his destination), and then drove to the U.S.

- walk
 
229Tree
      ID: 29082512
      Mon, Jun 04, 2007, 16:57
for those who haven't noticed, Google Maps has a new feature called Street Views...

it's already led to some pretty whacky photos...here's one web site's Top 15, but i'm partial to two others:

This man on a park bench...
and
This woman in a pick up truck...
 
230sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, Jun 05, 2007, 18:52
Jail Jumpsuit Alledgedly Donned by P Hilton...For Sale
 
231C1-NRB
      ID: 5932328
      Wed, Jun 06, 2007, 11:06
From today's Rotoguru blurb quote-

“In order to better reach the larger Armada Nation, we felt compelled to lengthen the name to incorporate all our fans stretching from the warm beaches of Los Angeles to the frigid beaches of the Arctic Circle.” -- Golden Baseball League CEO Dave Kaval, announcing the new name of the former Los Angeles Armada – the “Long Beach Armada of Los Angeles of California of the United States of North America Including Barrow, Alaska” (now abbreviated LBALACUSNAIBA), which will be the longest of any professional sports team in the world

What about me? I'm a (new) fan of this team and I live in Texas. I feel alienated. They'll never get any of my disposable income now.
 
232biliruben
      ID: 52014814
      Wed, Jun 06, 2007, 15:59
Now that's funny!

Think they are simply poking fun at TLAAOA?
 
233Perm Dude
      ID: 3957615
      Wed, Jun 06, 2007, 17:05
I usually don't get involved in passing judgement on art, mostly because I don't feel like I'm a very good judge.

But man, London's 2012 Olympic logo is butt:

 
234C1-NRB
      ID: 5932328
      Wed, Jun 06, 2007, 17:53
Below is an email I sent to Steve Bash, LBALACUSNAIBA GM and Ashley Koger, LBALACUSNAIBA Director of Marketing.

It is with mixed emotions that I write to you regarding the Golden League Baseball team formerly known as the Long Beach Armada.

As a long time baseball fan I was excited about the decision to welcome Barrow, Alaska into the fold of professional baseball. I know Nome, Alaska native Tom Sullivan who appeared in one game for the 1925 Reds would be proud that the trail he blazed pioneering the way for current big leaguers Shawn Chacon, Josh Phelps, and World Series co-MVP Curt Schilling is finally being recognized by a baseball league from a fellow "Gold Rush" state.

I visited Long Beach with my family in the mid-1970's and have fond memories of touring the Queen Mary.

As a (new) fan of the Long Beach Armada of Los Angeles of California of the United States of North America Including Barrow, Alaska I feel somewhat alienated by your name choice. I live in Texas. While Texas is (currently) a state in the United States, the decision to single out Barrow, Alaska has soured me. I regret to inform you that I will not be spending any of my disposable income on tickets or concessions at LBALACUSNAIBA games this season. I shall also boycott merchandise and affiliated sponsors of LBALACUSNAIBA. This was not a decision I arrived at lightly.

I wish the LBALACUSNAIBA well this season and hope they bring home the Golden League Championship. I will follow the team from afar (although not as far as Barrow, Alaska) and experience the same highs and lows as every other LBALACUSNAIBA fan.

Go LBALACUSNAIBA!

Craig *****,
(New) Fan of the Long Beach Armada of Los Angeles of California of the United States of North America Including Barrow, Alaska

I'll let you know if I hear anything back from LBALACUSNAIBA.
 
235Doug
      ID: 441251914
      Wed, Jun 06, 2007, 18:35
LOL, please do... nice letter.

As for the olympic logo, I must have seen it 20 times and still had no idea what it was supposed to represent until I saw a news blurb today where they pointed out it was supposed to be the number "2012". Ohhhhhhh... now I see. Doesn't make it suck any less, but at least I see the number instead of just random abstract shapes devoid of any meaning whatsoever.

Did you read about the animated version of the logo they had on their website? They had to pull it on fear that it might cause epileptic seizures.
 
236boikin
      ID: 59831214
      Thu, Jun 07, 2007, 12:15
it was supposed to be the number "2012". now i get it, i was wondering the same thing i just kept seeing that it looked like a distorted 'SS' logo and being creeped out.
 
237Perm Dude
      ID: 1455178
      Thu, Jun 07, 2007, 12:19
As a commenter on Channel 4 mentioned, it looks like Lisa Simpson fellating a stranger.
 
238walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Thu, Jun 07, 2007, 16:45
18-Wheel Truck Wheelchair Ride
 
239Baldwin
      ID: 14358177
      Thu, Jun 07, 2007, 18:55
Ordinarily it is best to just ignore Paris Hilton but her getting off with just 3 days of a 23 day sentence served raises questions about the justice system.

Don Wade of WLS in Chicago thot the lesson was that if we are ever convicted all we have to do is cry non-stop till they let us out. His wife on the otherhand wondered what else went down.
 
240biliruben
      ID: 52014814
      Thu, Jun 07, 2007, 19:00
She still has to spend 40 days in her Beverly Hills mansion, poor thing.
 
241sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Thu, Jun 07, 2007, 19:27
soooooo are they gonna start putting up EVERYBODY on "house arrest" at their local Hilton?
 
242walk
      ID: 259313119
      Fri, Jun 08, 2007, 13:17
She may have to go back. Some backlash:

Hilton may have to return to jail
 
243sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Fri, Jun 08, 2007, 16:33
Paris whines "Its not fair" after Judge orders her back to jail
 
244Perm Dude
      ID: 53523148
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 11:26
Judge orders man to have no girlfriend for three years.

You'd think the marketplace would take care of this, but knowing how dumb some of those consumers are, perhaps this is best.
 
245Tree
      ID: 29082512
      Thu, Jun 14, 2007, 14:34
my favorite part of the article:

Doctors say Cranley has difficulty coping with rejection...

who doesn't???
 
246walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Tue, Jun 19, 2007, 14:51
Scalia Uses TV Show "24" to Explain Torture Rulings

I dunno, quite literally, I went "WTF?" when seeing this headline and reading the post.

- walk
 
247sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, Jun 19, 2007, 15:04
good gawd...a SCOTUS Justice citing a fictional TV show as grounds for decisions?!?!?!?!?!? What then of Archie Bunker as grounds re family law?, Or Dirty Harry for proper police procedures?

Wouldnt such a citing,(use of fiction for determining real life law vs using the Constitution) be grounds for demanding the Justices resignation?????
 
248Perm Dude
      ID: 22536187
      Tue, Jun 19, 2007, 15:05
Oh, dear lord.

I knew that the attitude of "24" was pervasive in the Administration (that is, torture almost always works in getting you true information you need, so long as you don't mind getting your hands dirty).

But for Scalia (or any justice) to rely upon a fiction to justify real-world actions is just nuts--a complete release from reality.
 
249Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Tue, Jun 19, 2007, 19:11
The last 3 posts are just sad.

Scalia didn't "bring up" the TV show and he wasn't explaining any torture rulings. He was participating in a round table discussion with jurist fomr various countries. I assume ya'll just lapped up the info Andrew Sullivan fed you; you didn't get the whole "24 torture rulings" from any actual facts.

Note to walk:

Scalia did not use "24" to explain any "torture rulings"; in fact, the story you're basing that on describes how Scalia disented from the SCOTUS decision that Andrew Sullivan complains of, stating: ""If civil rights are to be curtailed during wartime, it must be done openly and democratically, as the Constitution requires, rather than by silent erosion through an opinion of this court,"

Note to sarge: Don't bother reading an article before commenting, just use all those groovy !?!?!?!?!.

PD Where in the article do you get that Scalia thinks torture results are reliable, much less, admissable, evidence under our Constitution? Where do you see him discussing any Constitutional analysis at all? Remember, Scalia has already written, in a published SCOTUS dissent, that things like indeterminate seizure (and torture, one could safely infer) would require a democratically inacted suspension of Consitutionally protected rights.


From the article: Generally, the jurists in the room agreed that coerced confessions carry little weight, given that they might be false and almost never accepted into evidence. But the U.S. Supreme Court judge stressed that he was not speaking about putting together pristine prosecutions, but rather, about allowing agents the freedom to thwart immediate attacks.


This was NOT a discussion of any Constitutional decision. You guys are just making stuff up.



 
250Perm Dude
      ID: 22536187
      Tue, Jun 19, 2007, 19:30
MBJ: When he reflects positively upon the torture techniques of a television show, you can't help but think he believes such a thing to be reliable.

I didn't say anything about the admissibility of the results of that torture. Talk about making stuff up!

Scalia's already stated his views on non-citizen rights (prior to oral arguments, as I recall. Nice touch, Justice). "Give me a break" indeed.
 
251Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Tue, Jun 19, 2007, 19:43
I knew that the attitude of "24" was pervasive in the Administration (that is, torture almost always works in getting you true information you need, so long as you don't mind getting your hands dirty).

Where oh where do you get this, PD? Where do you see Scalia "relying on on fiction to justify" anything? He was responding to a hypthetical and academic discussion. He did wonder if a jury would convict an agent who used extra-constitutional means to "save LA" Is that what has you upset? Really?

Another quote from Scalia's dissent: “Hamdi is entitled to a habeas decree requiring his release unless (1) criminal proceedings are promptly brought, or (2) Congress has suspended the writ of habeas corpus.....”
“if civil rights are to be curtailed during wartime, it must be done openly and democratically, as the Constitution requires” in Article I.


PD, I suppose you'd agree with me that walk and sarge and Andrew Sullivan demonstare the don't understand what they're talking about if they think Scalia used a TV show to justify a SCOTUS ruling. Right?
 
252Perm Dude
      ID: 22536187
      Tue, Jun 19, 2007, 19:48
Oh, I'd certainly agree. While Scalia seems disposed to project his biases, I'm not aware of him justifying his admiration of "24"'s techniques in any particular decision.

That said, "Give me a break" is his own quote, and it hardly seems "academic" to me. And the change in conservatives to suddenly start trusting the government only with a Republican Administration is extremely troubling.
 
253Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Tue, Jun 19, 2007, 19:54
Where do you get Scalia or "conservatives" trusting the government. Again - Scalia dissented in Hamdi. He would have ruled against the government. He would have ruled against the Republican Administration. He belived they could no longer detain him. Do you not get that or do you think "give me a break" demonstrates some major shift in Scalia's jurisprudence?
 
254Perm Dude
      ID: 22536187
      Tue, Jun 19, 2007, 19:55
BTW, Glenn Greenwald hit upon Scalia's best quote of that decision back in an April post, worth repeating despite the length:

One of the best summaries of those basic principles comes from Antonin Scalia in his opinion in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, when he patiently tried to explain what previously -- prior to the ascension of the Michael Goldfarbs, John Yoos and Dick Cheneys -- did not need to be explained in this country: namely, that the President of the United States does not have the power to imprison American citizens without charges or a trial, and that does not change in the slightest merely because the President cites the imperatives of "war":

The proposition that the Executive lacks indefinite wartime detention authority over citizens is consistent with the Founders' general mistrust of military power permanently at the Executive's disposal. In the Founders' view, the "blessings of liberty" were threatened by "those military establishments which must gradually poison its very fountain." The Federalist No. 45, p. 238 (J. Madison). No fewer than 10 issues of the Federalist were devoted in whole or part to allaying fears of oppression from the proposed Constitution's authorization of standing armies in peacetime.

Many safeguards in the Constitution reflect these concerns. Congress's authority "[t]o raise and support Armies" was hedged with the proviso that "no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years." U.S. Const., Art. 1, �8, cl. 12. Except for the actual command of military forces, all authorization for their maintenance and all explicit authorization for their use is placed in the control of Congress under Article I, rather than the President under Article II. As Hamilton explained, the President's military authority would be "much inferior" to that of the British King:

"It would amount to nothing more than the supreme command and direction of the military and naval forces, as first general and admiral of the confederacy: while that of the British king extends to the declaring of war, and to the raising and regulating of fleets and armies; all which, by the constitution under consideration, would appertain to the legislature." The Federalist No. 69, p. 357.

A view of the Constitution that gives the Executive authority to use military force rather than the force of law against citizens on American soil flies in the face of the mistrust that engendered these provisions.
 
255sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Wed, Jun 20, 2007, 00:25
note to MBJ: I did read the article. In it, Scalia is quoted as having said, "Are you going to convict Jack Bauer?" Judge Scalia challenged his fellow judges. "Say that criminal law is against him? 'You have the right to a jury trial?' Is any jury going to convict Jack Bauer? I don't think so.

"So the question is really whether we believe in these absolutes. And ought we believe in these absolutes."


If you question the validity of "absolutes", such as Constitutional procedures/protections...then IMHO, you have no business sitting upon SCOTUS. Then too, there is this gemn of a quote: I don't care about holding people. I really don't," Judge Scalia said.

I'm sorry, have we gone completely insane? Have the protections against warrantless search and seizure, been totally done away with? Have we in poin tof fact, returned to a monarchy under which King George simply gets his wish(es)??

I for one, am a bit dismayed that one of our prosecutors, sees nothing wrong with Scalias comments/position.
 
256walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Wed, Jun 20, 2007, 10:01
I dunno, MBJ. I see you prefer to be very literal. Fine. Sure seems like Scalia, at the least, was implying that Jack Bauer's torture techniques are not "convictable."

- walk
 
257Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Wed, Jun 20, 2007, 12:25
At minimum, I think we need the entire transcript of that discussion before tarring and feathering Scalia.

Personally, I don't think the Executive can suspend habeus short of a Constitutional amendment, it is a bedrock of freedom and democracy in Western society, but that's just me.
 
258Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Sun, Jul 01, 2007, 21:09
A peacock dies in Staten Island

The peacock, a male several years old, wandered into a Burger King parking lot in the New York borough of Staten Island and perched on a car hood Thursday morning. Charmed employees were feeding him bread when the man appeared.

He seized the iridescent bird by the neck, hurled it to the ground and started kicking and stomping the creature, said worker Felicia Finnegan, 19.

"He was going crazy," she said.

Asked what he was doing, she said, the attacker explained, "'I'm killing a vampire!'"

 
259Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Mon, Jul 09, 2007, 11:21
Gurupie used as model for crime. Robber disguised as Tree hits N.H. bank
 
260sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Mon, Jul 09, 2007, 11:44
2 BILLION (2,000,000,000) mice over-run Chinese

Now, an estimated 2 billion mice are ravaging crops in 22 counties around the lake, and authorities were rushing to construct walls and ditches to keep the rodents out. Residents have killed more than 2.3 million field mice — or 90 tons of the rodents, Xinhua said.
 
261RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Tue, Jul 24, 2007, 11:50
Just looking for nuts...
 
262sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 16:34
Some people, should never be allowed to play on the internet
 
263Tree
      ID: 436572615
      Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 16:59
well, i guess we won't see Jag posting here for 7 or so years now...
 
264biliruben
      ID: 35112816
      Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 17:03
Did you have insurance, Sarge?
 
265sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Thu, Jul 26, 2007, 18:26
roflmao...bili...we live in a brick ranch. :)
 
266angryChair
      ID: 459171622
      Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 01:11
Hey NASA, touch your nose---now
walk heel to toe....
 
267sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 10:35
^link returns an "unable to find..." error.
 
270Perm Dude
      ID: 12631279
      Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 10:37
Another link
 
271holt
      ID: 41512278
      Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 21:44
Things that make you say wtf?

how bout KWTF radio and KUNT tv?
 
272sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 10:16
Atlanta dealership has *ahem* "job openings"
 
273Perm Dude
      ID: 2625319
      Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 10:25
WTF??? Lady with dead babies in house and yard denies having been pregnant, despite bloody evidence
 
274Boxman
      ID: 571114225
      Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 10:20
Dog Shoots Man
 
275sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Fri, Aug 03, 2007, 11:16
Woman gives birth to 17th....and wants MORE!!

Jennifer Danielle was born at 10:01 a.m. at a hospital in Rogers, Arkansas, Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar said in an interview.

"We'd love to have more," Michelle said, referring to baby girls. "We love the ruffles and lace."
 
276Perm Dude
      ID: 137268
      Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 09:36
Boy floats in Dead Sea for 6 hours after father leaves him by accident
 
277Boxman
      ID: 136161615
      Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 13:22
Iran Arrests 230 Youths Attending 'Satanic' Rock Concert

TEHRAN, Iran — Iran arrested more than 200 music fans at an underground rock concert that one official called a "satanic" gathering and authorities accused the youths of breaking Islamic law.

A witness said Sunday that police raided the concert as it was ending late Wednesday near the town of Karaj, some 30 miles west of the capital.

"Police detained the young people who had gathered to enjoy music in a private orchard," said the witness, who requested anonymity for fear of government retaliation.

The arrests come during a recent crack down on "immoral behavior" in Iran, where holding mixed parties or concerts without permission has been forbidden since the 1979 Revolution that brought hardline Shiite Muslim clerics to power.

Calls to authorities were not immediately returned on Sunday. But the public prosecutor in Karaj, Ali Farhadi, said Saturday about 230 people were arrested during the concert.

"Most of them were wealthy young people who were not aware of the satanic nature of the concert," Farhadi told state television. "A female singer, who was performing, and some rock and rap music bands were among the detained."

He said concert organizers had told young people to attend if they were eager to learn how "devil worshippers" perform music.

Local media reported organizers hid cameras to tape the attendants' behavior and later blackmail them. The reports also said police confiscated large amounts of alcohol and drugs.

Boys and girls mingled and danced together during the concert, and some of the women were not wearing the modest clothing and Islamic headscarf required by law, media reports said.
(HA HA HA!!! We sure wouldn't want that. - Boxman)

Concert organizers were not available for comment.

Iranian authorities have warned the population in recent weeks to avoid what they call "immoral behavior," which includes drinking alcohol or, for women, not wearing a headscarf.

The concert participant who witnessed the police raid said many detainees were released on bail Saturday and Sunday.
 
278Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Mon, Aug 06, 2007, 14:22
Convicted Animal Abuser Gets Abused Dog Back

A man who was convicted of animal cruelty will be allowed to get his dog back, but he must follow a list of conditions to care for the animal.

Otis Clark, of Oxford, pleaded no contest last month to charges related to the abuse of his 2-year-old dog, China, and he petitioned to get it back.

The dog was found with a chain so deeply imbedded in its neck, it required surgery to remove it...

...Clark must read a book on dog care given to him by the court and is subject to random home visits by a probation officer.


read a book. f*cking great. hopefully, the judge, and the law firm in which he is a partner, will be inundated with phone calls and emails from irate people who love their animals.
 
279wolfer
      ID: 24148211
      Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 09:46
You've got to be kidding me.
 
280Baldwin
      ID: 125312919
      Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 20:33
Harrassed to death by Scientologists?
 
281sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 11:57
dont serve a cop, a meal....you might get arrested
 
282sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 10:44
Buyer finds human leg in smoker bought at auction
 
283rockafellerskank
      Dude
      ID: 27652109
      Mon, Oct 01, 2007, 21:23
I hope they counter sue her for $1 million and bankrupt her on the grounds of wasting space on earth



iPhone sued for $1M

And, what does AT&T and the contract have to do with it? It's common for a 2 year deal to come with all cell phones. My Verizon did. The article should read: "New York woman looking to abuse system and get a free ride"
 
284Perm Dude
      ID: 5093716
      Mon, Oct 01, 2007, 21:29
Yeah, a good example of lawsuit abuse. Suing Apple because she can't resell the phone for a profit. Jeez--what a waste of court time.

I feel a little bad for those people who bought IPhones in those areas without AT&T coverage. Many of those people did not know before the phone went on sale that they had to contract with AT&T, which wasn't even available to them. But that woman there is just a little wacked.
 
285wolfer
      ID: 24148211
      Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 16:03
Update on post 282

Amazing.
 
286biliruben
      ID: 17502215
      Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 16:08
I just caught myself saying "WTF?" under my breath.
 
287Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 16:21
A heart-warming tale of the spirit of entrepreneurship.
 
288sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 18:05
Amputee to get his leg back

Finally, some sort of "sense" to this tale.
 
289Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 14:55
a baby nearly drowns in a family's backyard pool.

a cop responds to the call.

she slips and falls in a puddle of water...

and is now suing the family...(note: the link takes you to a video report on cnn.com)
 
290sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Thu, Oct 11, 2007, 15:19
MUCH discussion on this topic on another forum. Isnt there such a thing as "assumed risk"? IE, I attend a PGA event and get clunked by an errant shot. It has always been my understanding, that I cannot suit, because that is an "assumed risk" when I enter the grounds. Would not then, the presence of a puddle opf water, be an "assumed risk" for emergency responders on a drowning call???????? More to the point perhaps, isnt the claim rightfully with the Dept, for Work Comp and potential disability payments?

Do we REALLY want the public to be hesitant in calling 911, in case they get sued for some sort of negligence.
 
291sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Fri, Oct 12, 2007, 10:32
lawsuit from post 289...has been dropped
 
292sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Sat, Oct 13, 2007, 12:50
Tequilla binge maybe? (Drunken man attacks Halloween display)
 
293Baldwin
      ID: 125312919
      Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 13:18
BTW there is a hack that allows you to use Iphones outside of the AT&T system.
 
294biliruben
      ID: 579411512
      Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 15:32
...but they "upgraded" the software, and now many of those phones are unusable, I heard.
 
295nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 18:10

...but they "upgraded" the software, and now many of those phones are unusable, I heard.

True but 2 days later they hacked the "upgrade".
 
296walk
      ID: 7952415
      Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 14:32
Not a Light Read, but WTF for sure
 
297sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 15:40
Maine Police crackdown on unlicensed WWII Vets Cribbage Games

C'mon now. Is this REALLY how we want to use LE resources???
 
298Perm Dude
      ID: 16105679
      Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 11:00
Ridiculous UK laws.

This has an "urban legend" feel to it, but there you go.
 
299sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Fri, Nov 09, 2007, 16:02
Vikings WR fined for missing practice to attend Grandmothers funeral.

All I can say is, Good for you Troy. Family HAS to come first.
 
300Perm Dude
      ID: 361055149
      Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 19:07
Want to challenge your parking ticket in Boston or DC? It'll cost you a $275 non-refundable fee.

Screw that whole "right to trial" thingy.
 
301sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 19:46
calling ACLU.....

 
302sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Sat, Nov 17, 2007, 15:46
I have ALWAYS despised the VA; here's why....
 
303wolfer
      ID: 14982815
      Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 11:48
You might be a redneck if.........
 
304Boxman
      ID: 571114225
      Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 17:56
Woman Aborts Child To Help Save the Planet

Giving birth is a burden on the world. This is according to British born, Toni Vernelli, 35, who had an abortion 10 years ago to ensure her carbon footprint would be kept to a minimum, the U.K.'s Daily Mail reported Sunday.
 
305Perm Dude
      ID: 161012259
      Sun, Nov 25, 2007, 19:56
Holy crap. Selfishness personified.
 
306sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 19:16
Providence hospital fined after perofrming brain surgery on the wrong side of patients head....for the THIRD time this year!
 
307walk
      ID: 7952415
      Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 12:19
Neighbor's Myspace Hoax leads to teen Suicide

I am stunned reading this article...this woman, a 47 year old mother, taunted a vulnerable and potentially depressed girl, through the use of a contrived virtual boyfriend, culminated in the girl committing suicide. The woman was and still is a neighbor, and feels little guilt. I cannot fathom this. If this were my daughter who was lost, and it's been a year now, I'd have to move, cos I'd probably do something stupid. What an awfully sad story.
 
308sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 12:24
I'm with you there Walk. I cannot fathom, that for a year I could still live 4 doors from those people, and not have done something "stupid".
 
309walk
      ID: 7952415
      Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 12:36
Cyber AfterMath of Meier Suicide

yeah, Sarge33rd. I am still stunned. So, I googled this case, and have found some more. Essentially, this story became a published article about two weeks ago...the local paper in Missouri did not disclose the name of the neighbor, Lori Drew, who perpetrated the hoax. So, others on-line did some digging, and disclosed the name, and now a lot of backlash has begun, and I doubt it's over.
 
310sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 12:43
One has to wonder, how this would fail to fall under "stalking" laws.
 
315walk
      ID: 7952415
      Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 12:50
You're wondering a lot, eh, sarge...? Aaaar. Yeah, I don't get how this act did is not criminal. Seems stalkish to me. I know the parents are getting the law changed, so now if you do this, you get 90 days and a fine. That these folks have not moved out of the neighborhood speaks much about their refusal to take any (moral) accountability or feel remorse. Maybe they are completely guilt-ridden and cannot handle it, so they are in huuuuge denial and this is evidenced by their refusal to move, but man, it's just fcuked up.
 
316sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 13:04
thats my crummy wireless PC at work. Half the time I click and nothing happens,soooooooo click again....then BAM!


Interesting comments/questions re if it had been an adult MALE engaging in those discussions/flirtations with a 13yr old female...he'd have been jailed long ago. SO why is the adult female seemingly "immune" in this case?
 
317rockafellerskank
      Dude
      ID: 27652109
      Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 14:16
Oh, c'mon folks. Suspend a 9-year old kid for saying "brown people"? I say WTF!

I'll post the article since registration is required.

School hate-crime suspension to be probed

Robert Anglen
The Arizona Republic
Nov. 28, 2007 12:00 AM
A 9-year-old boy from a Phoenix elementary school has been suspended after the school determined he engaged in racial harassment by using the term "brown people."

The boy, whom The Arizona Republic is not naming because of his age, was suspended for three days from Abraham Lincoln Traditional School after officials determined that his language constituted racial harassment, part of its hate-crime code.

In a parent-teacher conference in early November, Abraham Lincoln Principal Virginia Voinovich said she also told the boy that it is OK to have racist feelings as long as you keep them to yourself.




"As we said to (the boy) when he was in here, in your heart you may have that feeling, and that is OK if that is your personal belief," Voinovich said in the conference, which was tape-recorded by the boy's mother.

The mother, Sherry Neve, 35, said she is outraged and that her son did not make the remark to another student. She said the principal should face discipline for her own statements.

"My son didn't say it," said Neve, whose last name is different than her son's. She has pulled the boy from the school.

She said the incident raises questions about parental rights and methods of inquiry and oversight at the school.

In an interview this week, Voinovich declined to address the suspension or her comments on the tape. She said she didn't remember the incident, then demanded a copy of the recording and insisted that she could not talk about student discipline for privacy reasons.

Officials who oversee Voinovich in the Washington Elementary School District said Tuesday that they would launch an inquiry into the situation. They said they were unaware of a child being disciplined under the hate crime/racial harassment code but also cautioned that principals have the authority to enforce discipline without district intervention.

"We would like to look into everything that transpired," district lawyer Rex Shumway said.

Officials declined comment on details of the incident.

Voinovich submitted a letter of resignation effective Dec. 24, saying she is leaving for personal reasons.

According to the tape recording, school officials accused the boy of making a statement about "brown people" to another elementary student with whom he was having a conflict. They maintain it was his second offense using the phrase. School officials told Neve that other students complained about what the boy had said.

The parent conference included the mother, the boy, his teacher and Voinovich. On the tape, the mother and teacher indicate that another unidentified adult was allowed to question the boy and elicited from him the statement that he doesn't cooperate with "brown people."

After the incident was reported to the boy's teacher, he was made to stand in front of his class and confess what he had said.

The boy maintains on the tape that he never said the phrase. Neve said he only repeated back words that the other adult questioner used.

Neve said school officials didn't advise her of the incident until several days after they questioned her son. When Neve objected to the suspension during the parent conference, Voinovich told her that parents give up their rights to discipline when they send a child to school, the tape shows.

"If you don't want that, you can take him out of here," Voinovich said. "There is nowhere you can go to challenge this."

Neve insists that her son is not a racist and that he never differentiated a person's color until the school made it an issue. But even if he did make the statement, she questions why a principal would tell a 9-year-old it is OK to have those feelings rather than help determine what would make him feel that way.

"We were raised to be color blind," she said. "My children were raised the same way."

District Assistant Superintendent Lyn Bailey said Tuesday that she has spoken to Neve at length several times about the incident and about getting her son transferred to another school.

She said officials can't change the suspension. Bailey said she has worked to ensure that Neve's son is adjusting to his new school.
 
318sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 14:29
*cough* BS *cough*
 
319wolfer
      ID: 14982815
      Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 13:34
This is good...

Nothing like a late night throwdown........with crossdressers?????????
 
320Perm Dude
      ID: 11043298
      Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 20:04
#317: It sounds like entrapment to me. A parent put the words into the kid's mouth.
 
321nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Fri, Nov 30, 2007, 03:35


Maybe not a WTF but certainly a TIT (This is Thailand)

Parliamentary candidates in Thailand's upcoming election are trying to buy the votes of elderly men by passing out free Viagra, a local government official said Friday.

Residents in Prathumthani, on the northern outskirts of Bangkok, reported some of the candidates were passing out doses of the anti-impotence drug in exchange for promised votes, said Sayan Nopkham, a local government official.

"The villagers told me they have been given one or two pills of Viagra by candidates. Then they come to me to ask for more pills, or sometimes coffee, in exchange for voting for my brother, who is also running for a seat," he told AFP.

Charungwit Phumma, an investigator with the Election Commission, said he had received no formal complaints about a Viagra-for-votes scheme.

"It's a funny claim," he said.


 
322Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Dec 01, 2007, 13:46
I'll steal the Fark headline for this one:

Attention all 2007 Father of the Year candidates: Stay on your toes this holiday season, as there is fierce competition entering late in the game
 
323wolfer
      ID: 24148211
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 11:52
I can't wait for this video to show up on youtube.
 
324biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 12:23
What are the odds someone named whitelightening was drunk?

The funny thing is, just a couple months ago, some drunk dude stole a donut truck here in West Seattle and led police on a high-speed chase as well! Unfortunately for the cops, the back doors were left open, so the donuts had all fallen out by the time they caught him.

They had a good trail to follow, however.
 
325wolfer
      ID: 24148211
      Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 09:02
We have found our idiots of the year......
 
326walk
      ID: 7952415
      Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 12:24
Iceland Teen Calls White House
 
327sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 13:05
This REALLY pi$$es me off!

Eight veterans charities, including some of the nation's largest, gave less than a third of the money raised to the causes they champion, far below the recommended standard, the American Institute of Philanthropy says in a report. One group passed along 1 cent for every dollar raised, the report says. Another paid its founder and his wife a combined $540,000 in compensation and benefits last year, a Washington Post analysis of tax filings showed.

1%?!?!?!?!? 1% went to the "cause"?!?!?!?!?!? WTF?!?!?!?!?!?
 
328walk
      ID: 7952415
      Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 13:33
Man Nearly Kills Self Chugging Liter of Vodka
 
329biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 13:55
Is vomit a banned substance?
 
330sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 14:15
not if its in a 3oz clear and sealed container.
 
331walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 15:11
"Is vomit a banned substance?" LOL!! That image, I just cannot get it out of my mind...
 
332wolfer
      ID: 14982815
      Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 10:20
Re 306

I think that I can top that with this surgery.
 
333angryCHAIR
      ID: 29955918
      Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 10:41
eel powers xmas tree
 
334Baldwin
      ID: 4610171922
      Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 14:09
If you ever needed an example of crooks not being too bright...stealing a donut truck?

Cops have their priorities after all. I wonder if they would be faulted for profiling fat suspects?
 
335Pancho Villa
      ID: 47161721
      Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 15:06
The perfect Christmas gift

Except for my Mormon friends
 
336walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 10:12
Princeton Student Admits to Faking Attack
 
337Pern Dude
      ID: 341143188
      Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 12:12
I was just reading about that. A bad story all around.
 
338sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 12:22
Pern Dude
ID: 341143188
Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 12:12


who are you, and what did you do with Fred?


;)
 
339Pern Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 12:26
Oh, I'm here.

Just re-set my GuruPatron acknowledgment to make it clear.
 
340Pern Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 23:40
Typo of the day
 
341Wilmer McLean
      ID: 71157189
      Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 02:52
Re: 340

Maybe it's just me, but I got a bigger chuckle from the choice Orwell quote Sullivan lives by. ;)

-------------------------------------------------
Man marries dog
 
342katietx
      ID: 4911141721
      Wed, Dec 19, 2007, 11:18
Hmmm, now that I'm living in San Antonio, maybe this English major should go to work for the San Antonio Express rather than the bank? LMAO
 
343angryCHAIR
      ID: 29955918
      Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 08:55
Posted this in cover songs thread:

Why the HE!! is Metallica covering "Only Happy When It Rains" by Garbage!

WTF????????
 
344Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Thu, Dec 20, 2007, 11:43
because they're a bunch of poseurs?
 
345Baldwin
      ID: 4610171922
      Tue, Dec 25, 2007, 00:28
Someone 'splain' this one to me. I am a long way from breaking the code on this.
 
346sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Tue, Jan 01, 2008, 08:44
Thhink those hotel glasses are clean? Guess again...
 
347angryCHAIR
      ID: 29955918
      Sun, Jan 06, 2008, 21:41
Medical Oddities
 
348sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, Jan 08, 2008, 16:57
St Louis area town bill, would ban swearing in area bars.
 
349Perm Dude
      ID: 2001288
      Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 00:23
Chicago lawyer scratches up Marine's car, and is getting away with it?
 
350sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 10:44
re 349:

I have posted that on 2 other forums, and this idea was put forth:

Need to start an attorney fund to get this sleeze bag hurting as he well have to pay attorney fees also! Any ideas on finding a good and expensive attorney in Chi-town?


I have asked a biz contact in Chicago who they would suggest as an Atty to represent the Marine. I know we have posters here from the Chi-Town area. Any idewas on YOUR part, who we could arrange to have work with/for this Marine, in filing continuance after continuance until said marine returns from his deployment?
 
351Perm Dude
      ID: 3201398
      Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 11:00
The only lawyers I know in Chicago are entertainment or copyright lawyers, unfortunately. Would love to keep posted on this, however.
 
352sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 11:11
Ask one of them PD, who they would suggest. Certainly, THEY know some fine person(s) there who might be able and willing to help this Marine.
 
353sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Wed, Jan 09, 2008, 18:06
A TX colleague of mine has a sister, based with a Chicago firm, practicing law in the corporate arena. (She has an SEC background.) Anyway, she has agreed to talk to a few colleagues of hers, and see if someone isnt interested in helping this kid.
 
354walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 15:34
Weekend at Bernies, for Real
 
355DWetzel from work
      ID: 3316412
      Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 16:56
Fun local story:

Man takes taxi to rob credit union, then tries to buy getaway car with cash
 
356Perm Dude
      ID: 3201398
      Thu, Jan 10, 2008, 17:03
Pantless man rescued from kitchen vent after New Year's celebration

When people ask me about how it is around here, I think I'll point to this article if I don't like them.
 
357Rendle
      Donor
      ID: 014815714
      Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 00:14
Katrina Victim sues U.S.

Negotiating tactic?
 
358Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 14:36
Rather than start a new thread, I decided to put this here, with my brother's blessing.

Hi All:



Yesterday was a full court day. In the morning the defense presented three motions for a new trial. Pretty interesting legal discussions about: 1.) No duty to retreat; 2.) Extreme indifference test; and 3.) Whether shots fired into the air is considered assault. All three were rejected. I am not an attorney, but it looks like the defense attorney’s tactics might work in a municipal or district court with less experienced prosecutors and judges, but not with folks who are top judges and prosecutors.



In the afternoon all jurors were recalled and individually asked whether or not they had read the Rotoguru postings while the trial was taking place. None had, and the judge ruled there was no juror misconduct and that the convictions stand. Jim Haley’s Herald article appears below. It was the first time I saw the defense attorney look totally befuddled and quiet, as juror after juror indicated they had not researched the case while the proceedings were underway.



The sentencing date was moved to Wednesday, February 13, at 1:00 PM. The European ski crew flies back from Paris on February 12, so several of us may have acute jet lag for this closing event.



In case you were wondering what happened to the Rotoguru “blog” that brother Bob started right after Jay was shot, I asked the web site owner if he would be kind enough to disable the site. While I have a few misgivings about taking the site down, we had a lengthy discussion with the Prosecutor, and, unfortunately, our rights to free speech will take a back seat to a defense counsel who is desperately looking for any avenue possible for an appeal. Since there are a lot of individuals following this case, we may resurrect a similar forum at a different location in the future.



As far as Noel goes, he will remain at the Snohomish County corrections facility until sentencing. The following week he will be transferred to Shelton where he will be evaluated and assigned a risk profile. Within a few days he will most likely be transferred to McNeil Island , Walla Walla , or possibly the new high security complex at Monroe . My understanding is that high security prisoners such as Noel are moved from facility to facility on a fairly regular basis. There are some on going negotiations, but the sentencing range is 34-42 years.



Cheers,

Dan Clements
425.418.8755
dan@e-clements.com



Published: Thursday, January 10, 2008

In rare move, judge looks into blog use

By Jim Haley, Herald Writer

One by one, jurors who convicted a Seattle man of first-degree murder a month ago were ushered into a courtroom on Wednesday.

It was a rare post-trial questioning of panel members over whether any of them improperly conducted Internet research about the case.

Afterward, Snohomish County Superior Court Judge Thomas Wynne said there was no hint of impropriety, and that Noel Caldellis' conviction should stand.

"I don't see any evidence of misconduct," Wynne said. "It appears the jurors followed the instructions of the court."

The questioning was the latest trial-level bid by Seattle defense lawyer Raymond McFarland to overturn the conviction of Caldellis, 20. He was convicted of gunning down a college student from Mukilteo on Sept. 3, 2006.

The next stop for McFarland will be at the state Court of Appeals, where he vowed to challenge rulings that Wynne made during the trial.

Meanwhile, Caldellis is behind bars, awaiting a Feb. 13 sentencing. He faces a prison term between 34 and 42 years.

In his 29 years as a judge, it's the first time Wynne has called a jury back to question them about possible impropriety without first being provided some evidence of jury misconduct, he said.

Of concern here was an Internet blog posted by an uncle of victim Jay Clements, 21. The blog included comments on the case and some news stories. McFarland became aware of the blog after the trial concluded Dec. 11. The blog started in September 2006 and was removed after the trial.

McFarland was concerned about a posting by someone who said she was a juror -- a day or two after the trial concluded.

Jurors are sworn to uphold the law and to follow the judge's instructions. Among other things, they are not allowed to conduct independent research on the case they are hearing, or to read newspaper coverage of trials.

McFarland told the judge that if a juror posted a message so soon after the five-week trial, it raised the question whether somebody on the panel had seen the blog earlier.

Wynne agreed to question the jurors to address McFarland's concern. Deputy prosecutor Matt Hunter called the defense inquiry "a fishing expedition."

Individually, the seven women and five men who comprised the jury came into Wynne's courtroom Wednesday. Two said they weren't aware of the blog. The rest said they learned about it after the trial and after the judge released them from their obligations as jurors.

Some said they did Internet research afterward. None said he or she had any indications the other jurors knew about the blog during the trial.

Earlier on Wednesday, Wynne denied three motions brought by Caldellis' lawyer, seeking a new trial. The defense argued the judge and the prosecutor made mistakes.

Clements was killed during a Labor Day weekend party when Caldellis and some of his friends went to Brier for a fight.

The jury ruled that Caldellis exercised "extreme indifference to human life" when he fired a .357-caliber pistol into a crowd gathered to watch the melee. Clements was shot twice.

Caldellis also was convicted of two counts of second-degree assault.


© 2008The Daily Herald Co., Everett, WA




 
359Seattle Zen
      ID: 529121611
      Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 18:18
Wow!
 
360biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 18:24
Double wow.
 
361biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 18:24
Is the thread in limbo or completely gone?
 
362Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 18:46
Thread is in limbo until the appeals process is complete.
 
363sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Fri, Jan 11, 2008, 18:50
Thank-you PV for that update. Once again, my very best wishes to all of you.
 
364Perm Dude
      ID: 580161210
      Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 18:51
Ewww.

Twins separated at birth marry each other
 
365Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 19:48
damn, PD, I was hoping for pictures. If they were really hot I was going to be kinda all right with it.
 
366Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 14:44
just stumbled upon this blast from past, from Baldwin's favorite source, WorldNetDaily.

Saddam Hussein purchased thousands of Playstation 2s to build military supercomputers.
 
367sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 14:58
lmao....Of course Tree, one must realize that Iraq would have had to do it this way. Afterall, an oil producing member of OPEC wouldnt have any means of funding the purchase of any REAL computers.
 
368Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 15:52
wow. i just re-read this thread. i missed the whole thing about rotoguru's "involvement" in the trial of Noel Caldellis.

that is some pretty amazing stuff.
 
369walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 16:18
Lifted from Sullivan's site...I'm sorry, but when it comes to threads, this is the exact thing that entered my mind when I read this blog posting and the supportive comments. It is, to me at least, a total, "what the fcuk?"

True Bush Supporters
 
370sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 16:28
I can only shake my head in absolute bewilderment, and agree 175% walk with what you say in 369...WTF??????
 
371walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 16:37
Right..??????? I am tempted to register so I can post a comment there with a different view, but there seems to be such a beautifully ignorant devoted bliss that it'd be like just somehow wrong to stick a pin in that bubble. And they do allude to those that have such "vitriol" and "contempt" and "hatred" towards Bush -- as resentment from his victory back in 2000. I'm, like, stuck.
 
372Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 16:51
i was going to post "i feel like i just read an article from The Onion", but then saw i had to register.

those are the best rose-colored glasses EVER!
 
373walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 17:10
LOL, Tree.
 
374Perm Dude
      ID: 46046287
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 17:11
As a follow up to #366:

Video game myths: Fact or Fiction?
 
375biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 19:22
This actually belongs in the "No F'in Way!" thread.

 
376Perm Dude
      ID: 5312218
      Mon, Feb 04, 2008, 01:45
Freezing in Grand Central:

 
377walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Mon, Feb 04, 2008, 14:33
Hey PD. Bad flash here at work, what is the URL for your Grand Central pic. I am often there, wanna see.

Go Giants.
 
378Perm Dude
      ID: 2513847
      Mon, Feb 04, 2008, 14:36
Here you go
 
379walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Mon, Feb 04, 2008, 14:43
Okay, thanks. I'll check it out at home later tonight (you tube and other streaming media sites are blocked at work).

Go Giants.
 
380sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 10:51
One Mississippi Lawmaker says, "Sorry, but you're too fat to eat in public..."
 
381holt
      ID: 360131020
      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 11:08
re 375
the bulldog on the skateboard vid is great! love it.

 
382biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 12:56
I just can't believe he can actually do it. He really seems to love riding the board, too.
 
383sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 14:32
holy sh*t!!!
copy/pasted from another forum:


Ok, so my mother offers to pay for my hotel stay as a wedding gift. Great. Wow a week and a half honeymoon, thats awesome! So I get to the hotel after my wedding and have a great night, wake up and have a great day. The 2nd night of our honeymoon, guess who shows up?

My folks and my youngest sister wanting to spend time with us.
They stayed in a different room, thank God.

I am very grateful to my mom for the wedding gift, but does that compel me not to object to her? It's not like she spent a thousand dollars (she actually didn't spend any money as it was "reward" points, but it was currency all the same). I don't want to sound like an ingrate if I say something, you know?

Another thing, we were staying like 400 or 500 miles away from thier home, so its not like they just walked down the street.

What should I do? We (my wife and I) don't have much money so we can't just pack up and go, but at the same time, this was supposed to be OUR time together, right? I've never had any other honeymoons, so I just assumed it.

Totally bummed out,




un-freakin-believable!
 
384walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 14:52
I cannot believe that story. Must be folks who don't believe in romance or sex.
 
385holt
      ID: 360131020
      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 20:02
Tell em to invite the family over to the room, maybe to meet for dinner, then start having a consistently loud, vocal, furious, long, wall-banging, floor-shaking sex session. I don't know how long the family would stand in the hall waiting (keep going a couple hrs to make sure) but they should get the point eventually.
 
386sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 20:32
I told him, if that were my Mom...I'd drag her down to the motel pool, drown her and DARE a Jury to say anything other than Justifiable Homicide. lmao
 
387Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 13:32
semi-closure

It was a case of two young lives being lost.

Jay Clements is dead, gunned down in the early morning hours of Sept. 3, 2006, outside a home in Brier where a Labor Day weekend party had been held.

Noel Caldellis, 20, of Seattle was sentenced Wednesday to spend his best adult years behind bars for firing the shots that killed Clements, 21.

A judge imposed a 34-year prison sentence for Caldellis after a Dec. 11 jury verdict that he acted with "extreme indifference to human life" when he fired a .357-caliber pistol into a crowd, hitting Clements twice.



On behalf of Dan, Karen and our extended families and friends, I'd like to thank the Rotoguru community for their support and contributions since this incident. For those of us who knew and loved Jay, there can never really be closure, but it's somewhat gratifying that justice has been served.

My condolences to the Caldellis family as well.
 
388Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 13:59
Interesting TV report on the sentencing
 
389Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 18:46
Thanks for the update, Pancho.

Guru - could you put the original thread back up? I am very interested in re-reading it.
 
390walk
      ID: 221481011
      Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 20:16
Another Campus Massacre

Northern Illinois University. 18 shot, 4 dead. Gunman killed himself.
 
391Stein
      ID: 1310442019
      Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 20:55
Hi PV - I had posted in the other thread. I know Dan here in Edmonds...

Thank you for the link to the interview with Caldellis' mother - I had not seen it. I also think it is very gracious of you to extend your condolences to the Caldellis family. I'm not sure I could be so charitable - especially in light of their continued denials of responsibility.

The talk of other gunmen & the fact that no evidence of them was introduced at trial is curious. The defense's theory must not have been credible - otherwise his attorney would have surely presented it. I can’t help but wonder how they can keep making that claim. In the absence of evidence, it appears to be more of an excuse to justify their pleas of innocence than fact. However, I imagine it may be used as the basis for an appeal and we’ll learn more of what they claim then.

I can't imagine how you & your extended family feel, but their continued statements that Noel is “a good kid” seems like a bad joke in light of the undisputed facts. He may have been at one time but it appears he started down a dangerous road - something they don't seem willing to consider. The fact remains that Caldellis used his church youth group connections to purchase a stolen gun. A "good kid" doesn't do that. Also, a "good kid" doesn't bring a loaded gun to a party – and one that he wasn't even invited to. But a kid looking for trouble does. And, a "good kid" doesn't shoot a gun blindly into a crowd to break up a fist fight – a thug does. Finally, a "good kid" takes responsibility for his actions. Cadellis hasn't. But if he had, he might not be facing 34 years in prison. I can’t help but think that their idea of a “good kid” is completely different from mine!

By the way, do you know what happened to the others who were arrested the week after Jay's death - was anyone else charged?

In light of an appeal, I know that this part of your ordeal may not be over but know that Jay’s family and friends will continue to be in my thoughts…
 
392sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 14:34
Homeland Security hard at work:

14 day old baby dies in Honolulu airport while detained...

PAGO PAGO, American Samoa - American Samoa's delegate to the U.S. Congress is calling for an investigation into the death of a baby at Honolulu International Airport.

Delegate Eni Faleomavaega has asked the Department of Homeland Security to begin an investigation into death of 14-day-old Michael Tony Futi last Friday.

The baby had been flown to Honolulu for emergency heart surgery. He died while detained inside a customs' room at the Honolulu airport with his mother and a nurse.

A lawyer for the family announced plans to sue the federal government over the baby's death.

Faleomavaega called for the probe in a letter issued to Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff.


THERE, are our tax dollars providing us with an abundance of safety and security. I know that I feel safer now.
 
393walk
      ID: 381351512
      Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 14:42
Oh man, what a story.
 
394Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 18:06
7 year old found dead at Austin private School

By Tony Plohetski

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF


Friday, February 15, 2008

Tevin Park-Flowers, the 7-year-old who died after a teacher found him hanging by his shirt on a clothing hook at a North Austin charter school, probably became accidentally trapped on the hook while possibly reaching, jumping or running, Austin police said Thursday.

Investigators said there is no evidence that Tevin was sexually assaulted — he was found with his pants around his ankles — and said it is "highly unlikely" that another child or staff member at the Magnolia McCullough Elementary campus of Not Your Ordinary School placed him on the hook.

Austin police Lt. Mark Spangler said detectives also ruled out suicide as a cause.

"We believe that Tevin likely died as the result of an extremely unfortunate accident," Spangler said. "We believe that it's probably the most reasonable explanation as to how Tevin came to be on that hook."
 
395Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 18:11
Re:394: The Austin police are abviously high.
 
396biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 18:12
Uh huh.
 
397Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 13:03
For those aware of Austin police recent record of shooting (killing) minorities under circumspect conditions .. other than officer in imminent danger..(IE retarded women waving a knife and recently a 20ish reputed drug dealer shot twice in the back as he ran from a neighborhood club no weapons/drugs found on the corpse)...it follows that Tevin is black and is survived by his twin brother.

Pants around the ankles dismissed because pants were "loose fitting"??
 
398Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Sun, Feb 17, 2008, 02:43
I've seen a lotta pants worn so low they took constant adjustment to keep from falling down.
 
399Tree
      ID: 231461818
      Mon, Feb 18, 2008, 22:37
this would be example 3,482,117 of why i love the internet.

Benny Hinn + Drowning Pool = some sort of kung fu cult master wrecking havoc on his well dressed zombie army.



god, i've watched that like 90 times tonight.
 
400sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 08:42
didnt know where else to put this....

disappearing car door

cool as hell (and prolly twice as expensive)
 
401Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 22:28
BTW Tree, I find Benny Hinn to be as absurd as you do.
 
402Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 20:13
The things they have to take up in a Court of Appeals

[Hathaway's] argument that having sex with a dead deer does not violate the statute is a nonjurisdictional argument. It does not go to subject matter jurisdiction. Consequently, the argument was waived.

My sweet lord!
 
403Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Wed, Feb 20, 2008, 22:59
MBJ..your link is to article r: Jesse Jackson advice to Dem party

Is there a better link?

(dear humping...err... deer humping sounds like a compelling read)
 
404Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 11:52
woops:

Here's the deas animal sexual gratification decision

and here's a news story for the non-primary source inclined
 
405Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Thu, Feb 21, 2008, 22:14
MBJ...hunch was correct. It was an excellent read. Counsel for the Defense seems to have won the arguement that sex with a dead animal is not a crime, however Defendent's plea of nolo contendre to the charge of having sex with a live animal is a waiver to right to appeal facts and law issues.

Hopefully, Wisconsin legislature will see this case and use it to enhance the charge to a felony offense or minumillly to raise the penalties for sexual contact with a dead animal..or an animal that dies in the throws of passion.
 
406Boxman
      ID: 571114225
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 07:16
School Bans Hugs

A school policy banning student hugging prompted dozens of east Valley students to protest with a giant group hug across the street from campus.
 
407Tree
      ID: 1925617
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 09:19
well, as long as they don't public intercourse, i'm sure the world will survive.
 
408sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 11:19
Minnesota bar owners show some ingeuity

At The Rock, a hard-rock and heavy-metal bar in suburban St. Paul, the "actors" during "theater night" do little more than sit around, drink, smoke and listen to the earsplitting music.

"They're playing themselves before Oct. 1. You know, before there was a smoking ban," owner Brian Bauman explained. Shaping the words in the air with his hands, like a producer envisioning the marquee, he said: "We call the production, `Before the Ban!'"

The smoking ban, passed by the Legislature last year, allows actors to light up in character during theatrical performances as long as patrons are notified in advance.

About 30 bars in Minnesota have been exploiting the loophole by staging the faux theater productions and pronouncing cigarettes props, according to an anti-smoking group.



"Before the Ban"...lmao. Gotta love it.
 
409aC
      ID: 561401810
      Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 11:25
IDIOT
 
410Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 12:03
"I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you."
 
411sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:56
Those "clever" Ruskies...

partial excerpt:

UNEARTHLY blue lights played across the ocean floor four kilometres below the North Pole as the heroic Russian explorers descended in mini-submarines to plant a metre-high flag.

That's what the Russian state television company, Rossiya, wanted us to believe. The truth was rather different.

In an apparent attempt to "sex up" a news program, the TV station has been caught passing off footage from the 1997 Hollywood blockbuster Titanic as a real-life report on the Kremlin's recent attempt to stake its claim to the riches of the Arctic Ocean.

Rossiya's images were distributed around the world, appearing on television news, websites and as "screen grabs" in newspapers.

It took an alert teenager in Finland with a Titanic DVD to spot the sham. Waltteri Seretin, 13, recognised the images in the national daily, Ilta-Sanomat.

"I was looking at the photo of the Russian sub expedition and I noticed immediately that there was something familiar about the picture," he told the paper.

"I checked it with my DVD and there it was, right there in the beginning of the movie; exactly the same image of the submersibles approaching the ship."...
 
412Perm Dude
      ID: 142412312
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 19:43
New book club suggestion?
 
413sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 16:19
In the "Hey y'all...watch this" section of todays news:


Man using gun as a drill, shoots and kills wife while installing satellite TV

SEDALIA, Mo. -- Officials are trying to determine whether to file charges against a man who fatally shot his wife while trying to install a satellite television system in their home.

Patsy D. Long, 34, of Deep Water, was pronounced dead early Saturday evening after being shot in the chest with a .22-caliber handgun.

Pasty Long was standing outside the residence, helping her husband with the installation of a satellite television system. The couple's children were also outside.

According to sheriff's department spokesman Maj. Robert Hills, Ronald Long fired a shot from the inside of their home after several unsuccessful efforts to punch a hole through the exterior wall using other means.

Ronald Long told authorities that he fired a second shot, then called out his wife's name and the names of their two children. When he got no reply, he ran outside and found his wounded wife.

Pasty Long was hit by the second of two shots fired by Ronald Long, the Henry County Sheriff's Department said.

Hills said a person involved in such a case normally would be charged with manslaughter, but that was up to the prosecutor.

"Once we complete a diagram of the incident, we will be submitting everything to the prosecuting attorney and let him decide if he wants to press criminal charges," Hills said.

Hills described the family as being very "distraught."

Henry County Coroner Scott Largent declined to release details about Patsy Long's death until the Sheriff's Department completes its investigation.
 
414Tree
      ID: 35292617
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 19:10
this...simply defies everything, ever.

...you're not just proudly declaring, "I'm a redneck!" You're proudly declaring, "I'm such a redneck I make other rednecks uncomfortable."
 
415sarge33rd
      ID: 4011291810
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 22:26
no link, as this is a copy/paste from another forum;

Charlotte, North Carolina.

A lawyer purchased a box of very rare and expensive cigars, then insured them against, among other things, fire.

Within a month, having smoked his entire stockpile of these great cigars and without yet having made even his first premium payment on the policy the lawyer filed a claim against the insurance company. In his claim, the lawyer stated the cigars were lost "in a series of small fires."

The insurance company refused to pay, citing the obvious reason, that the man had consumed the cigars in the normal fashion.

The lawyer sued.. and WON!

(Stay with me.)

Delivering the ruling, the judge agreed with the insurance company that the claim was frivolous. The judge stated nevertheless, that the lawyer held a policy from the company, which it had warranted that the cigars were insurable and also guaranteed that it would insure them against fire, without defining what is considered to be unacceptable fire" and was obligated to pay the claim.

Rather than endure a lengthy and costly appeal process, the insurance company accepted the ruling and paid $15,000 to the lawyer for his loss of the cigars lost in the "fires".

NOW FOR THE BEST PART..

After the lawyer cashed the check, the insurance company had him arrested on 24 counts of ARSON!!!

With his own insurance claim and testimony from the previous case being used against him, the lawyer was convicted of intentionally burning his insured property and was sentenced to 24 months in jail and a $24,000 fine.

This is a true story and was the First Place winner in the recent Criminal Lawyers Award Contest.




Toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good. :)
 
416Boldwin
      ID: 332562616
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 23:32
So what you are saying is that there is justice in the universe. I'd love to hear that he actually serves that time.
 
417Boldwin
      ID: 332562616
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 23:33
That thing has a real 'urban legend' aroma to it tho.
 
418Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 07:33
Baldwin's sense of smell proves accurate.
 
419sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 09:55
yea....thought as much, but still...its a hell of a story. lol
 
420sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Sat, Mar 29, 2008, 10:15
toooooo good



Cops busted a teen root-beer party. roflmao
 
421Boldwin
      ID: 3731819
      Wed, Apr 09, 2008, 02:27
Not sure if this heart is a life giver or a life taker or if Hollywood will know what to do with this but they are prolly headed to Hilton Head as I post this to sign the movie rights just in case.

Someone give this widow a hug for me.
 
422Perm Dude
      ID: 5031696
      Wed, Apr 09, 2008, 08:52
Man tries to hide drugs from cops--in donut box.

Who knew they'd look in there?
 
423Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Thu, Apr 17, 2008, 22:44
The Columbia University Daily Spectator apparently published a piece which boasted the claim, that "one Dalai Lama" had sex with hundreds of men even though he knew he had AIDS.



The Spectator has removed the article:
If You Want a Free Tibet, Know What You’re Fighting For
By Christina Liu
PUBLISHED APRIL 16, 2008

Because this piece was based on unreliable sources we have decided to retract the article and remove it from the Web site. We appreciate all the letters we have received (one of which is printed in the 4/18/08 issue) and deeply apologize for the error.
 
424Boxman
      ID: 337352111
      Wed, Apr 23, 2008, 13:55
Jerk Off: It's Good For You

Men who frequently masturbate appear to have a lower risk of developing prostate cancer, Australian researchers reported.

Researchers from the Cancer Council of Victoria found that men who masturbated more than five times each week were one-third less likely to develop the cancer.
 
425Boldwin
      ID: 573452112
      Wed, Apr 23, 2008, 16:36
Next they'll find mental masturbation cures writer's block.
 
426sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Wed, Apr 23, 2008, 17:26
was once told by an old grizzled NCO..."Theres two kinds of liars in the world. There's the man that says he never did, and there's the man that says he quit. Which one are you?"


:)
 
427Boldwin
      ID: 573452112
      Wed, Apr 23, 2008, 17:34
Ever known an ungrizzled NCO?
 
428Perm Dude
      ID: 34340238
      Wed, Apr 23, 2008, 17:38
They were born grizzled.
 
429Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Wed, Apr 23, 2008, 21:24
Since we're on the topic -
Penis theft panic hits city..

That's one heck of a headline
 
430Boldwin
      ID: 573452112
      Wed, Apr 23, 2008, 21:37
“The main thing is just to avoid the direct blow. If you get any sort of high speed impact, that’s going to cause trouble,” - Chief of Urology at the University of New Mexico.

I did not know that. Good thing we have experts to explain it.

Read up on the 'nutbuddy' there too, if you are so inclined.
 
431Boldwin
      ID: 323592819
      Fri, May 02, 2008, 02:23
We have a winner in both the 'unintentionally funny' and the 'blindingly obvious' categories.
 
432Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Fri, May 02, 2008, 13:33
re: 431 i think this tops it -



Bush: Economy not as robust as it needs to be
 
433wolfer
      ID: 24238210
      Sat, May 10, 2008, 14:46
Oh my God!
 
434Boxman
      ID: 211139621
      Sat, May 10, 2008, 18:01
Boldwin: The article states, Mukasey then vowed to beef up U.S. efforts to fight international organized crime, which he called a growing threat to U.S. security and stability.

Somehow I see the word "terrorist" being expanded in its definition and who qualifies as one coming out of this.
 
435wolfer
      ID: 24238210
      Wed, May 14, 2008, 21:59
I am suprised no one has posted this yet....

"There's a war going on, so to sacrifice, I am giving up golf!"

You've got to be kidding..............
 
436truthsabitchinnit
      ID: 4311112
      Sun, May 18, 2008, 18:20
Probably scripted... Right?
 
437sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Sun, May 18, 2008, 23:51
from wolfers link in 435:

“I don't want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the commander in chief playing golf,” he said. “I feel I owe it to the families to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal.”

No dummy, thinking that NOT playing golf would send the right signal...is the mistake.
 
438DWetzel at work
      ID: 278201415
      Mon, May 19, 2008, 10:40
Got Milk?

14 tons of spilled Oreo cookies snarls traffic on I-80
By Associated Press
Advertisement


MORRIS -- Got milk? Police say a trailer loaded with 14 tons of double-stuffed Oreos overturned Monday morning, spilling plastic sleeves of cookies into the median and roadway.

Illinois State Police Sergeant Brian Mahoney says the truck's driver was traveling from Chicago to Morris on I-80 around 4 a.m. Monday when he fell asleep at the wheel and slammed into the median.

Mahoney says the force of the crash ripped open boxes of the cookies, but their plastic wrappers kept them from covering the ground.

The crash about 50 miles southwest of Chicago remains under investigation.

Mahoney says no charges have been filed but both lanes of traffic remain closed while authorities remove the cookies.




I'm not sure how the officers are cleaning this up, but to be on the safe side I advise selling all Dunkin Donuts stock.
 
439Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Mon, May 19, 2008, 11:18
Re the "Bush giving up golf" thing, I imagine he was quite put out by the infamous "now watch this drive" clip.
 
440Boldwin
      ID: 58452178
      Mon, May 19, 2008, 21:50
There has got to be a milk concession stand opportunity there.
 
441sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Sat, May 31, 2008, 10:37
Oh-oh. Price of gas is even affecting the gang-bangers:

Bike-by shooting??????????
 
442Boldwin
      ID: 58452178
      Tue, Jun 03, 2008, 17:01
Still trust the vaccine venders?


 
443Perm Dude
      ID: 17543316
      Tue, Jun 03, 2008, 17:43
If you live in the US, not much of a problem. But drug companies which pawn off tainted, expired, useless, or otherwise worthless drugs on overseas countries is a big problem.

Those same companies will often write off the full retail prices of those drugs when they donate them.
 
444Boldwin
      ID: 58452178
      Tue, Jun 03, 2008, 18:43
A deeper problem than that, PD.

They knew this was gonna produce genocidal results. They just happen to be connected to I. G. Farben. Dr. Otto Bayer was I.G. Farben's research director. I just today ran across the quote that the Rockafellers and I. G. Farben were for all intents and purposes 'The Third Reich'.
 
445Perm Dude
      ID: 35542411
      Wed, Jun 04, 2008, 15:23
Yes, decades ago many Germans were Nazis. Doesn't mean that they are trying to resurrect the Third Reich policies. Sometimes evil is just evil. It doesn't necessarily have to be Nazi evil.

BTW, anyone know the story behind this?
 
446Texas Flood
      ID: 5054413
      Wed, Jun 04, 2008, 15:32
Apparently the driver of the car was drunk and fell asleep. It's
amazing that only one person was killed. According to the driver
is an American citizen from Brownsville TX.
 
447Razor
      ID: 4532926
      Wed, Jun 04, 2008, 15:32
Apparently, the driver was drunk and asleep when it happened.
 
448Texas Flood
      ID: 5054413
      Wed, Jun 04, 2008, 15:34
According the the AP the driver is an American citizen.


 
450boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Wed, Jun 04, 2008, 15:58
They knew this was gonna produce genocidal results. They just happen to be connected to I. G. Farben. Dr. Otto Bayer was I.G. Farben's research director. I just today ran across the quote that the Rockafellers and I. G. Farben were for all intents and purposes 'The Third Reich'. what do the rockafellers have to do with the article? intresting article non the less.
 
451Boldwin
      ID: 58452178
      Wed, Jun 04, 2008, 16:08
The quote which came from another source helps illuminate that article.
 
452sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Thu, Jun 05, 2008, 19:43
Unbelievable. Countless "Water Safety" classes in the military, Red Cross CPR classes and I have NEVER heard of this:


10 yr old boy dies from "dry drowning", HOURS after leaving the swimming pool.
 
453Boldwin
      ID: 58452178
      Thu, Jun 05, 2008, 21:58
I also had never heard of it. How many times have you heard of a drink 'going down the wrong tube' without the slightest concern of complications? I'm still not sure what the minimal amount of water would be to cause this reaction.
 
454Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Fri, Jun 06, 2008, 20:16
Off topic I guess but on a whim I just went to the Washington Times home page for the first time in I guess a few months. Man what an ugly redesign! iphone inspired I assume. The spinning cube of lead stories is so huge and unclever it's obnoxious. And the page is clunky, besides, lagging a bit for me as it opens, like espn.com used to do.
 
455j o s h
      ID: 26551125
      Thu, Jun 12, 2008, 06:57
link
 
456biliruben
      ID: 4911361723
      Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 01:44


Drop your camera and run!
 
457sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 10:06
Iowan farm couple:

Wife: "What the hell is all that racket in the yard?"

Hubby: "Aint nuthin Ma. Just another gddmn tornado."

 
458Boldwin
      ID: 295161416
      Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 19:34
I live in tornado alley and I'd be wishing my basement had a sub-basement if I saw one that big!
 
459Boldwin
      ID: 295161416
      Sun, Jun 15, 2008, 01:55
Putting the sham into tam o'shanter.
The Invention of Scotland identifies three overlapping myths that have shaped the self-image of that proud nation.

The first is the political myth of the ancient Scottish constitution: that pre-medieval Scotland had been governed by a form of limited monarchy. Time after time this anachronistic notion has been torpedoed; but after a while it has always resurfaced. To this day, the Declaration of Arbroath is brandished by patriotic Scotsmen as their equivalent of the American Declaration of Independence, albeit written in the 14th century.

The second myth identified by Trevor-Roper is that of Ossian, the Celtic Homer. Now largely forgotten, Ossian's Fingal caused a Europe-wide sensation after it was published in 1762. An epic poem in six books, it was purportedly the work of a blind, third-century bard, translated from the original Gaelic by James Macpherson, a young Scottish schoolmaster.

By a happy coincidence Fingal proved perfectly in tune with the new cult of the sublime. Even more important, Ossian fed the Scots hunger for a literature they could call their own, for a Scots genius to stand alongside Shakespeare. The Scots literati took the bait greedily.

Even the great sceptic David Hume was initially convinced by the forgery, though he quickly regretted his embarrassing mistake, and declared to Boswell that he would not believe Fingal to be an ancient poem 'though 50 bare-arsed Highlanders should swear it'.

Trevor-Roper gives a full account of this extraordinary fraud, adding many valuable details and putting forward a new theory to explain what remains obscure about the story. 'The important question', he concludes, 'is not so much why Fingal came to be forged, but why the Scots continued so long to insist that it was genuine.'

The third myth is that of traditional Scots dress, which Trevor-Roper shows to have been got up, largely for commercial purposes, in the 19th century.

The kilt was devised by a Lancashire industrialist as a convenient form of dress for his Scottish employees; while the clan-based differentiation of the tartans was the invention of two brothers calling themselves the Sobieski Stuarts, who in 1842 published their Vestiarium Scoticum, an elaborate work of imagination which served as a pattern-book for tartan manufacturers.

The Sobieski Stuarts claimed to be the only legitimate grandsons of Bonnie Prince Charlie (as well as the great-great grandsons of John Sobieski, King of Poland): demanding, and obtaining, the deference due to those of royal birth.

These two 'engaging charlatans', as Trevor-Roper affectionately describes them, had been born John and Charles Allen, in Egham, Surrey.

A chapter entitled 'The Coming of the Kilt' traces what Trevor-Roper calls 'the Highland takeover of Scotland'. In the 19th century 'the apparatus of Celtic tribalism' would be assumed by the Scots aristocracy, 'those whose ancestors regarded Highland dress as the badge of barbarism, and shuddered at the squeal of the bagpipe'. The apotheosis of this tendency would come when George IV paraded in Edinburgh wearing a kilt of 'Stuart tartan': disguising himself, snorted Macaulay, 'in what, before the Union, was considered by nine Scotchmen out of 10 as the dress of a thief'.
 
460sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Sat, Jun 21, 2008, 14:48
switch hitter vs switch hurler


wow. lmao
 
461Boxman
      ID: 571114225
      Sat, Jun 21, 2008, 16:04
I saw the highlights of that guy on the news. Awesome. I'd like to see him make the majors.
 
462Perm Dude
      ID: 75122111
      Sat, Jun 21, 2008, 17:34
Trevor-Roper gives a full account of this extraordinary fraud...

How ironic.
 
463Boldwin
      ID: 85241823
      Fri, Jun 27, 2008, 02:31
I ran across this unverified comment. If it's true then it's a real wtf realization...
Russia has 500B in reserves and 343B in debt - they could pay it all off today. Meanwhile US has 70B in reserves and 12.25T in debt (2007 numbers).
Simplify your lives, people.
 
464biliruben
      ID: 52561217
      Tue, Jul 01, 2008, 15:28
Fruedian typo.

Police say a man took off his clothes, broke into a home and fled in shorts belonging to the female resident. The woman who lives at the home said a man woke her up Saturday night by banging on her front door.

She said she called 911 after he broke in through her second-floor balcony.

When a deputy arrived, he found a bicycle on the ground behind the house. He also found pants and underwear on the balcony floor.

Other deputies spotted the 30-year-old man walking along a main road wearing tight blue shorts, later identified as belonging to the woman.

The man was charged with burglary, petit theft, criminal mischief and trespass. His bond was set at $11,250.
 
465Boxman
      ID: 571114225
      Tue, Jul 08, 2008, 20:37
Look What We Export To Iran

U.S. exports cigarettes, bras, bull semen to Iran

Just what are they doing over there when the Mullahs aren't looking?
 
466Perm Dude
      ID: 146272320
      Thu, Jul 24, 2008, 00:37
Newspaper typo of the year
 
467Boxman
      ID: 571114225
      Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 06:55
Milwaukee Man Shoots Lawn Mower

MILWAUKEE - Keith Walendowski is charged with using a sawed-off shotgun to shoot his lawn mower after it would not start.

According to the criminal complaint, Walendowski admitted he shot the Lawn Boy. He tried to defend his actions by telling police, "It's my lawn mower and my yard, so I can shoot it if I want." He indicated to police that he was angry because the mower would not start.

Shooting the mower is considered a crime - disorderly conduct while armed. The most serious charge, however, is for the gun Walendowski is accused of using. It is illegal to posses a sawed-off shotgun.

Witnesses told police Walendowski was drinking before the incident. The criminal complaint indicates police observed him to be intoxicated.

Neighbors in the 3500 block of S. Austin Street heard the gunfire. "Well it seems strange - but he's a strange guy with his drinking," said Donna Kadow who lives next-door.

Walendowski is 56-years-old. Court records show he does not have a criminal record.

If convicted, Walendowski faces up to 90 days of imprisonment for the disorderly conduct charge. He faces up to six years of imprisonment if convicted of being in possession of a sawed-off shotgun.

Neighbors say Walendowski is not violent. "He has never hurt nobody," Kadow said.


I think anyone who has mowed a lawn has been there mentally at one point or another.
 
468Boldwin
      ID: 176322815
      Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 16:45
When did lawnmowers make the 'most favored victims' list?
 
469Perm Dude
      ID: 53657288
      Mon, Jul 28, 2008, 23:48
When androids transcribe speeches... (check out the second- and third-from-last paragraphs)
 
470Boxman
      ID: 571114225
      Fri, Aug 15, 2008, 19:21
They found Bigfoot.
 
471Boldwin
      ID: 176322815
      Fri, Aug 15, 2008, 20:05
There are scam artists involved so I kinda doubt it. Some of the same characters made a similar claim in '05 on C2C I think I heard.
 
472Boxman
      ID: 571114225
      Fri, Aug 15, 2008, 20:28
But it's on CNN. It MUST be true! ;)
 
473biliruben
      ID: 38751812
      Thu, Aug 21, 2008, 19:49


Okay. Maybe marijuana does have some negative effects.
 
474Boldwin
      ID: 176322815
      Thu, Aug 21, 2008, 22:30
She has GOT to be kidding.
 
475rockafellerskank
      Dude
      ID: 27652109
      Tue, Aug 26, 2008, 10:28
9 year old pitcher yanked for being too good

Gimme a break.
 
476sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, Aug 26, 2008, 11:19
saw that RFS and agree entirely with you. Careful reading, makes one think its a powerplay by one team and their spponsor. That team tried to get the kid, failed and now is behind the movement to ban him.
 
477rockafellerskank
      Dude
      ID: 27652109
      Tue, Aug 26, 2008, 13:12
Even if it wasn't about who got the kid on whose team.... sometimes even 9 years olds have to learn that life can deal you an uneven playing field. I think it's a good life lesson to learn that you may lose once in a while (or even strike out 3 times). To me, this smacks of (over)protecting the kids.

Of course, this is the same state that suspends football coaches for scoring too much.

LINK
 
478sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Wed, Aug 27, 2008, 11:24
How bad is it? So bad, the FDIC may need to borrow funds to cover anticipated bank failures.
 
479biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Wed, Aug 27, 2008, 11:46
Yeah, WAMU would near wipe them out, and they are looking increasingly like they are insolvent. If anyone wants to roll the dice, they are offering a 5% CD (Waah Hoo)!
 
480rockafellerskank
      Dude
      ID: 27652109
      Mon, Sep 01, 2008, 16:59
Don't want to pay your red light ticket issued via camera in Florida? Sorry Dude, you're now homeless.
 
481sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Tue, Sep 02, 2008, 13:53
But the county is risking legal challenge. Both the state attorney general (view ruling) and Florida Department of Transportation (view ruling) have ruled that photo ticketing is illegal in Florida. The largest photo enforcement vendor in the US even took a swipe at its competitor, American Traffic Systems, for operating cameras in violation of the law.

Shouldnt that pretty much put an end to it right now?
 
482katietx
      ID: 201411622
      Tue, Sep 09, 2008, 22:43
Re: 479 - puuulllleeeaassseeee....WAMU is not about to go under.

Trust me on this one.
 
483biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Wed, Sep 10, 2008, 00:38
You know they just today got put on double-super-secret probation, right (Okay a "memorandum of understanding)?

Last time I heard someone take that attitude with one of my predictions, it was regarding Countrywide.

Nearly a 100 billion in high-risk loans with estimates of 40 billion of losses coming. And those in the know withdrawing uninsured deposits. They may survive, but they won't be the WAMU we currently know.

It's just a matter of who is first, Lehman or Wamu, imho.
 
484sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Fri, Sep 12, 2008, 08:57
If I'm a WAMU stockholder, I'm up inh arms over what the Bd of Dir did in Feb. When they voted to change the rules for qualifying for bonuses for the most Sr Execs. Seems last year, too many failed to qualify for their bnus, so the Bd decided that this year; Mortgage Losses wouldnt be counted against them for bonus purposes. Saw this on an MSNMoney link last Feb/Mar and posted it at the time.
 
485biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Fri, Sep 12, 2008, 11:04
Yeah, slimey. Just more unchecked money-grabs for richie-richies so they can further distance themselves from the great unwashed.
 
486biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Sun, Sep 14, 2008, 10:11
JP Morgan is the most likely suitor at the moment. Sounds like high-level talks are on-going.
 
487Tree
      ID: 13714198
      Wed, Sep 17, 2008, 11:19
doesn't really make ME go WTF, but probably a lot of others might (like my good pal SZ, who when i hung out with him a number of years ago said "Tree, you seem like an otherwise intelligent guy...what's with this wrestling thing???"

Yahoo video feature story on Mschif, one of the top women's wrestlers in the world. oh..and she's a microbiologist by day...

and damned smokin' hot too...

 
488boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Wed, Sep 17, 2008, 12:00
the link went to guy who was on second train wreck survival...talk lucky/unlucky.
 
489Tree
      ID: 13714198
      Wed, Sep 17, 2008, 12:34
yea, yahoo does that sometimes. you gotta go the correct link on the sidebar...
 
490Razor
      ID: 545172413
      Wed, Sep 24, 2008, 09:38
PETA wants to replace cow's milk with...
 
491Boldwin
      ID: 548152320
      Wed, Sep 24, 2008, 10:06
Publicity stunt. Feminists would never submit to cattle drives, etc.
 
492Perm Dude
      ID: 428422418
      Thu, Sep 25, 2008, 02:29
OK--why is this dad charged with anything?

 
493rockafellerskank
      Dude
      ID: 27652109
      Thu, Sep 25, 2008, 15:20
Sure, arrest him for DUI. Fine. But, can you seriously charge him with farting?
 
494biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Fri, Sep 26, 2008, 03:09
Re: 479 - puuulllleeeaassseeee....WAMU is not about to go under.

Trust me on this one.


JPMorgan Chase & Co., the third- biggest U.S. bank by assets, agreed to pay $1.9 billion for the deposits of Washington Mutual Inc. after the thrift was seized by regulators in the biggest bank failure in U.S. history
Hrrrmph.

I'm not interested in embarrassing Katie, or anyone else who knows someone in the back office of a bank, but it just amazes me how little the average American knows about the shite that's hitting the fan right now.
 
495Boldwin
      ID: 58582413
      Fri, Sep 26, 2008, 03:58
Are you in any way wishing they did?

Let me tell you a story. Our small town podunk newspaper runs a story about the recent flooding and how:
they are going to reopen a water treatment plant and fans are going to blow foul smelling air so that the canal road between the flower shop and...

see page 6

...LaSalle State bank will be closed...yada yada yada
My son is fielding calls from people wanting to know if La Salle State Bank is really gonna be closing.

Are you sure you really want people to fully understand the gravity of the situation before they get this thing defused if possible?
 
496Boldwin
      ID: 58582413
      Fri, Sep 26, 2008, 09:07
Question for Polk:

Is this just the newspaper's way of saying, 'Imagine the benefits that could accrue to you, in these troubled times, from a well placed daily full page advertisement and the most exquisitely careful local media coverage money can buy?'
 
497sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 11:28
Golfer records FIVE aces in one week
 
498Boldwin
      ID: 541042014
      Fri, Nov 21, 2008, 20:25
Unrelated?
when two Mujahadeen commanders near Kandahar fought a tank battle over who would have...one particular boy.
----
Micheal Jackson turns Muslim.
 
499Tree
      ID: 5110362211
      Sat, Nov 22, 2008, 12:56
Micheal Jackson turns Muslim.

i'm trying to figure out if the article is an onion-esque joke, or it's serious. it sure reads like the onion...

Wacko Jacko has now made the conversion to full blown wacko. He has expressed his interest in recent past of the the religion of the pedophile prophet Muhammad, especially their fashion. Below is a photo of him in 2006 cross-dressing as a Muslim woman."

pedophile prophet?? yea, could you hate a little more Baldwin? sheesh. gonna pull the white hood out of the closet next?

no doubt Jackson's a bit whacked out. certainly has to do with his experience as a child star, but growing up in a fairly intolerant religion probably played a role too...
 
500Boldwin
      ID: 541042014
      Sat, Nov 22, 2008, 17:34
More on organ harvesting from live prisoners, both Falun Gong and 'eastern lightning' aka Christians in China.
 
501tree on the treo
      ID: 361053417
      Sat, Nov 22, 2008, 18:32
again, avoiding the issue....mohammed was a pedo baldwin? you agree with that?

how about jackson's religious upbringing? I mean I don't know too many people of that faith, but the one I do, well, it makes me wonder....
 
502Boldwin
      ID: 541042014
      Sun, Nov 23, 2008, 10:05
The reason there is no common term for whatever sub-troll level poster that you are, Tree, is because posters as degraded and degrading as you are, generally are prohibitted from posting at all in most forums.
 
503tree on the treo
      ID: 361053417
      Sun, Nov 23, 2008, 10:24
ill take that as a yes, you think mohammed is a pedo, since you link to people who believe so, and refuse to refute it.

pretty disgusting you think that, but then again, you've already shown your disdain for muslims...
 
504Myboyjack
      Dude
      ID: 014826271
      Mon, Nov 24, 2008, 13:33
tree - It's commonly understood that Mohammed consumated his marriage with his 7 year old bride when she was 9. Now I'm not big on judging ancient people by today's standards, but I'd hardly find it "disgusting" that someone might consider sex with a a 9 year old an example of pedophilia.
 
505Boldwin
      ID: 1810312617
      Thu, Nov 27, 2008, 03:24
Your tax dollars hard at work.
 
506Razor
      ID: 4810322719
      Thu, Nov 27, 2008, 20:50
I have no problem with us giving medical care to terrorists. We're a socialist country now, afterall.
 
507Perm Dude
      ID: 610502616
      Thu, Nov 27, 2008, 20:59
No problem here, either.

Conservatives aren't content with merely stripping away Geneva Convention protections from those in our custody (the vast majority of which have never even been charged with a crime, despite years of captivity). Now conservatives demand that we cease treating these captives as humans.

WWJD?
 
508Tree
      ID: 51011420
      Fri, Nov 28, 2008, 12:53
Why i like dogs more than people...

A Wal-Mart worker died after being trampled when hundreds of shoppers smashed through the doors of a Long Island store Friday morning, police and witnesses said.

The 34-year-old worker, employed as an overnight stock clerk, tried to hold back the unruly crowds just after the Valley Stream store opened at 5 a.m.

Witnesses said the surging throngs of shoppers knocked the man down. He fell and was stepped on. As he gasped for air, shoppers ran over and around him.
 
509DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Fri, Dec 05, 2008, 10:20
Two words: Prescription Firearms
 
510Tree
      ID: 3711581711
      Wed, Dec 17, 2008, 13:19
really? this is what our founding fathers wanted?

Ga. judge jails Muslim woman over head scarf
 
511walk
      ID: 181472714
      Thu, Jan 15, 2009, 08:24
You Can't Fire me, I'm Drunk!

Only in Peru (Peru?)
 
512boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Tue, Feb 10, 2009, 14:10
maybe people have seen this website before, my friend swears it is real, i pray it is not.

the christian onion?
 
513Boxman
      ID: 337352111
      Wed, Mar 04, 2009, 13:47
Georgia Produces Penis And Not Peanuts?

 
514Mith
      ID: 2894309
      Fri, Mar 20, 2009, 15:24
Common cents.

 
515Boxman
      ID: 3821468
      Wed, Apr 08, 2009, 15:29
Fishermen Catch, Eat Rare Shark in the Philippines

The 1,100-pound (500-kilogram) 13-foot (4-meter) megamouth died while struggling in the fishermen's net on March 30 off Burias island in the central Philippines. It was taken to nearby Donsol in Sorsogon province, where it was butchered and eaten, said Gregg Yan, spokesman for WWF-Philippines.

Yan said a WWF Donsol Project Manager Elson Aca took pictures of the megamouth and tried to dissuade the fishermen from eating it. Shark meat is the main ingredient in a local delicacy.


I can just imagine the limp wristed environmentalist yelling at the fisherman in his best Nathan Lane or Harvey Fierstein voice....

Enviroweenie: But you can't eat the megamouth shark. Here, I'll give you tickets to Liza on Broadway!

Third World Fisherman: Ehhh nabala nowala. Curunga matenga bachulu!!!

Environweenie: But it's LIIIIZA!

Third World Fisherman just holds up his machete and the Enviroweenie walks away.
 
516biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Wed, Apr 08, 2009, 17:18
Boxman's take:

"Real men eat species into extinction!"

Sounds much like the moron "real man" Icelanders who managed to bankrupt their nation.
 
517tree on the treo
      ID: 55220277
      Wed, Apr 08, 2009, 17:48
nothing like a homophobic stereotype from a neanderthal.

way to raise the bar boxman...
 
518Baldwin
      ID: 132854
      Wed, Apr 08, 2009, 17:49
The shark was already dead, but funny.
 
519Baldwin
      ID: 132854
      Wed, Apr 08, 2009, 18:01
Kauputhing.
 
520Baldwin
      ID: 132854
      Wed, Apr 08, 2009, 18:27
One of the most amazing things I have ever read, Bili. I thot Hunter S Thompson was dead.
 
521biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Wed, Apr 08, 2009, 19:01
Yeah, great article, huh Baldwin!

Lewis is a really good writer. He worked at Solomon back when they were dishing junk bonds. His book Liar's Poker details the fun. I read it back when I was working just off Wall Street in the early 90s. Great stuff!

He's written some more timely stuff that I have heard is good but I haven't had a chance to read. And of course he wrote Moneyball.

As for the Icelanders - I think our problems and there's are simply a difference of degree and competence. The heart of the problem is the same here as there. No, it's not all Barney Frank's fault.
 
522Baldwin
      ID: 132854
      Wed, Apr 08, 2009, 19:09
You think the hedge funds and derivative mills would have exploded the system without the phony Tier One capital? I don't. Oh I guess the derivatives would have come up against some other bubble eventually but the banking system would have been a lot more stable when dealing with it.
 
523Mith
      ID: 2894309
      Fri, Apr 10, 2009, 13:20
 
524Myboyjack
      Dude
      ID: 014826271
      Sat, Apr 11, 2009, 09:42
Finally, someone who takes TV news journalism just a serious as do. I love thay chick
 
525Boxman
      ID: 571114225
      Sat, Apr 11, 2009, 10:10
This seems just as good of a place as any to post. I wanted to share a cultural experience I had yesterday. This isn't so much a WTF as a cultural experience because I had a blast.

My Mexican neighbor invited my family over for Good Friday dinner. Apparently Good Friday is a very big deal with Mexicans they've told me. Every year they go balls out and cook a bunch of stuff and have a ton of people over.

So we go over there and I never ate cactus before but it was interesting. Then there was rice water called orchata that was outstanding. I never saw so much homemade salsa that it required a three gallon jug to hold it all until last night. Yeah and that salsa was the real deal, not that processed s#it you get in the store and boy is there a flavor difference. From now on only homemade salsa in the Boxman house.

There was some kind of corn dish too that was unreal. Those guys eat way too much salt but I figure with all the raw vegetables and fish we ate it all evens out in the end.

Then there was the tequila, ah yes, the tequila.

If you guys ever get the opportunity to celebrate Good Friday with a Mexican friend I suggest you do so.
 
526Tree
      ID: 61411921
      Sat, Apr 11, 2009, 10:28
wondering where you live, Box. While horchata took a bit of "acquiring" to get a taste for it, it's good stuff....

Nopales (cactus) makes for an outstanding salad, and a damned fine taco too. also, if you grill, get you some, slice it thin like you might a green pepper ring, and grill it up!

im curious about the corn dish. can you describe it more? i'm wondering if it's huitlacoche which is something i love, but again, usually an acquired taste, as it's basically a crop-destroying fungus that people here in the US call "corn smut"...
 
527Boxman
      ID: 571114225
      Sat, Apr 11, 2009, 18:01
I live in the western suburbs of Chicago. The horchata was really good. I can see where it took some getting used to to because of the feel of it, but that's some good stuff like you said. I'm getting a recipe for it to make around the house.

I'll have to keep the grilled cactus in the back of my mind. Yes I do grill. I bet that would be a unique add-on to a skewer with meat and vegetables.

The corn dish was a mixture of kernel cooked corn, corn meal I think and very mild spices, in a little bit of water. You could eat it with a chip or with a fork. It also worked on a tostada with fish.
 
528Boxman
      ID: 29351011
      Mon, Apr 13, 2009, 13:02
3 'phenomenal shots' ended pirate hostage crisis

This is fvckin' cool.

A Navy SEAL team had parachuted in and taken up positions on the Bainbridge's back deck.

The military had orders from President Obama authorizing lethal force if there was imminent danger. Watch how rescue played out hour by hour »

"At one point, as uncomfortable as the pirates were, they exposed themselves where there was an opportunity," Gortney said.

He gave details of that "exposure" at a news conference Sunday. He said two of the pirates had their heads and shoulders exposed, while the third was visible in the boat's pilot house, through a window.

"The on-scene commander saw that one of the pirates still held that AK-47, was very, very concerned for the captain's life -- and he ordered the shots to be taken," Gortney told CNN on Monday.

Even with the small boat "moving up and down a couple of feet," the SEALs hit their targets. "Remarkable marksmanship," Gortney said.

The moment came at 7:19 p.m. (12:19 p.m. ET) Sunday -- after sundown, military officials say.

In the minutes after, a special operations team shimmied along the tow rope to the lifeboat, confirmed that three pirates had been killed, and took Phillips back to the Navy ships that had gathered nearby.

The fourth pirate was taken into custody.

"These guys [the SEALs] are very well trained, they have a lot of experience and there has to be a lot of communication between the shooters and the people making the decision that they all three had shots, that they could make their shots successfully," retired U.S. Navy SEAL Dick Couch said on "American Morning."

He added, "Credit that on-scene commander with making a timely decision."
 
529Perm Dude
      ID: 193231017
      Mon, Apr 13, 2009, 13:17
Very cool, indeed. I was just reading about that this morning.

I saw that a number of conservative bloggers were taking Obama to task for being "yellow" about the pirates. I hope this will at least make them shut up until things play out in the future.
 
530Taxman
      ID: 3985420
      Tue, Apr 14, 2009, 00:37
The attached link concerns consumer credit card rights and republican efforts to block such legistration. Unbelievable. Either the industry has lined pockets sufficiently to cut of blood supply to specific key Republican brains. Points out that some politicians don't get (what is good for the consumer by limiting/eliminating predatory lending practices) but still get the campain contribuions. Credit Card industry defeated for now
 
531Mith
      ID: 2894309
      Tue, Apr 14, 2009, 10:09
Boing Boing:
Greeted with the news that some Americans of Chinese descent were turned away from the polls because the names on their ID didn't match with the incompetently assembled voter lists, Texas State Rep. Betty Brown (R) has proposed that they should change their names so that "Americans" can manage them better. (Um, if these people aren't also "Americans" then why do they get to vote?)


"Rather than everyone here having to learn Chinese -- I understand it's a rather difficult language -- do you think that it would behoove you and your citizens to adopt a name that we could deal with more readily here?" Brown said.
 
532Perm Dude
      ID: 193231017
      Tue, Apr 14, 2009, 10:25
The problem is exactly that those people did take on adopted "American" names, which is why the records are sometimes not matching.
 
533Mith
      ID: 2894309
      Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 14:47
I don't know about this one... do they do April Fools in the UK?

 
534Boxman
      ID: 29351011
      Tue, Apr 21, 2009, 09:24
Yesterday and today (so far) at work our email and VPN access are down so there is no way to access the email servers.

People at work are b!tching and complaining saying how the IT Department sucks and how they can't believe both systems are down.

I wish they would just shut the fvck up. I've been at this company for a few years now and I don't ever remember a problem like this so its not like they suck its just that s#it happens and it happens to everyone. I bet if you put those b!tchers under a microscope they'd have problems too.

Actually I'm thankful email is down because I can get real work done and not respond to mundane crap that takes more time to research than its worth. And with my boss in Spain this week giving a speech I can really focus on my stuff.

OK that's my rant.
 
535Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Wed, Apr 22, 2009, 08:13
Police say mom ordered daughters out, drove off

Usually, it's an empty threat: "If you kids don't stop fighting, I'm going to stop this car right now and leave you here!" But a mother from an upper-crust New York suburb went through with it, ordering her battling 10- and 12-year-old daughters out of her car in White Plains' business district and driving off, police said Tuesday.

Madlyn Primoff, 45, a partner in a Manhattan law firm, pleaded not guilty Monday to a charge of endangering a child. A temporary order of protection was issued, barring her from contact with the children, who were physically unharmed.


when i was 15 or so, i remember two of my brothers getting in a fight in our van as the family returned home from dinner or whathaveyou.

so, it's my dad, my step-mom, myself, my brother, and my two-step brothers, and my brother and one of my step-brothers start wailing on each other.

it was a hot, miami, summer day. my dad makes the "i will put you out of this car right now threat", and well, they don't stop fighting, and put right out they got.

one brother was probably 12, the other 10.

it was about a 2 mile walk home. they made it home, no worse for the wear, albeit a bit thirsty. it was an exercise in brotherhood for them, as they decided instead of fighting the whole way home, they were going to make it home together, and help each other along the way.

i can't believe their prosecuting the mother for this. i think the older daughter needs an ass-whipping of the highest degree, for leaving her sister behind instead of taking care of her.
 
536Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Apr 22, 2009, 08:55
Expecting a 12 and a 10 year old to be able to navigate their way 3 miles from home in a neighboring town is not reasonable. 12 years old is a questionable age for a child to be trusted with a younger sibling's care - when you leave them in your home. Left on some street 3 miles from home during the evening hours (hopefully it was still light out and most of those stores were still open) after the two had been highly agitated and uncooperative? Sure sounds like endangering your children to me.

Your family was lucky that your brothers stepped up on the way home instead of taking advantage of the opportunity to kill each other. But that fact doesn't mean that you should expect children of that age to suddenly stop acting like children of that age when a situation calls for it. They're children. They're immature and undisciplined and their behavior is impulsive and unpredictable.

Perhaps MBJ could weigh in.
 
537Boxman
      ID: 29351011
      Wed, Apr 22, 2009, 09:21
This mother is a puke. I don't see how this is excusable.

Be that as it may, my mother did the same thing to me when I was 15. Problem was that it was August and I was in full football gear on my way home from practice. 15 is a far cry from 12 or 10.
 
538Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Wed, Apr 22, 2009, 13:05
i dont know how many siblings you have, MITH. when i was 12, i was babysitting.

yes, it's a different scenario when left on the street, but nonetheless, we're entrusting 12 year olds with a lot heavier things these days than watching a sibling...

as my brother said when i emailed this to the family:

"parents these days got it tough i think... bike helmets, freakin peanut allergies(every kid has it now, but there was no such thing when we were kids!) we didnt wear seat belts, we rode bikes all over the neighbourhood and talked to strangers..."

reminds of of that bucky covington song from last year...

 
539Boxman
      ID: 29351011
      Wed, Apr 22, 2009, 13:13
we're entrusting 12 year olds with a lot heavier things these days than watching a sibling...

Like what?
 
540Mith
      ID: 2894309
      Wed, Apr 22, 2009, 13:37
when i was 12, i was babysitting

So what? 12 is an age at which responsible children commonly start babysitting. But that doesn't mean that simply being 12 years old makes a kid mature enough to mind younger children - even in their own home.

You make these kinds of arguments all the time, Tree. The fact that your parents were confident enough in you to trust you with that responsibility has nothing to do with whether this woman endangered her children. There is no uniform pace at which children develop discipline and responsibility. No "magic age" at which children become more mature and trustworthy.

The 12 year old in the story obviously was not responsible or mature enough to get her and her 10 year old sister safely home. The mother is responsible for knowing that. Period.
 
541Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Wed, Apr 22, 2009, 14:27
fair enough MITH. i agree that there is no magic age. i also think there is more to the story than meets the eye, things we don't know yet.
 
542Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Mon, Apr 27, 2009, 11:12
The beautiful spectacle of democracy in action. I love it.
 
543Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Mon, Apr 27, 2009, 19:08
hey! let's fly a plane low over downtown NYC for a photo op...what? 9/11 was there? oh, yea, this is just a photo op though....

oy. who on earth thought this was a good idea??!?!
 
544Boldwin
      ID: 133532810
      Tue, Apr 28, 2009, 12:02
They thot it would perk people up for Obama's 100 day honeymoon press conference.
 
545Boldwin
      ID: 133532810
      Tue, Apr 28, 2009, 12:04
It's just not fair that Bush got 9/11 photo ops. Dive Air Force One over the 9/11 site and see if there isn't still some buzz to be exploited.
 
546Perm Dude
      ID: 40450321
      Mon, May 04, 2009, 14:16
Miss California pageant paid for contestant's boob job. Give them the boobs!
 
547Perm Dude
      ID: 484431415
      Thu, May 14, 2009, 21:12
Oprah apologizes for James Frey incident--to James Frey (!!)

"I'm sorry I shamed you" to a guy who was a fraud.
 
548Myboyjack
      Dude
      ID: 014826271
      Thu, May 14, 2009, 23:09
Towlee just got a little high....
 
549DWetzel at work
      ID: 49962710
      Wed, May 20, 2009, 17:29
Belgian bodybuilding contest canceled
 
550sarge33rd
      ID: 334132017
      Wed, May 20, 2009, 18:16
roflmao Now THAT DW, is some seriously funny shit.
 
551Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Thu, May 21, 2009, 09:23
nearly impossible for me to to take this seriously...

IAH! FMLTWIA!

IF/IB?
 
552boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Thu, May 21, 2009, 09:38
sweet now i know all code words and 15 is personal favorite i now know the " " means " ".
 
553boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Thu, May 21, 2009, 11:32
Maury would love this.
 
554biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Sat, May 23, 2009, 00:32
WTF -



Mary Kay hosts "Hot for Teacher" night at Fuel.

I'm there, baby.

 
555Boldwin
      ID: 133532810
      Thu, Jun 04, 2009, 08:08
Do not let anything like this puzzle you or frighten you.



It is not a UFO.

It is not project Aurora as the video says at Dailymotion. Project Aurora is a very high mach surveillance successor to the Blackbird.

This rather is merely a lighter than air surveillance craft the USA has in the inventory and has had for a decade at least. All but invisible at night.
 
556Boxman
      ID: 424542210
      Thu, Jun 04, 2009, 08:59
"Where does he get those wonderful toys?" - Jack as the Joker in Batman.
 
557Boldwin
      ID: 133532810
      Thu, Jun 04, 2009, 09:42
A 50 billion dollar a year black budget maybe? 8]
 
558Boxman
      ID: 571114225
      Fri, Jun 05, 2009, 07:14
He Died Doing What He Loved

The death of American actor David Carradine may have been accidental suffocation, Thai police said Friday.

The 72-year-old actor's body was discovered Thursday in his luxury suite at Bangkok's Swissotel Nai Lert Park Hotel. Police initially said they suspected suicide, though Carradine's associates had questioned that theory.

Police Lt. Gen. Worapong Chewprecha told reporters that Carradine was found with a rope "tied around his penis and another rope around his neck."

"The two ropes were tied together," he said. "It is unclear whether he committed suicide or not or he died of suffocation or heart failure due to an orgasm."
 
559Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Fri, Jun 12, 2009, 15:13
City of Toronto digitally adds black guy to magazine cover to add diversity.

As Andrew Sullivan points out, The Onion got there first.
 
560Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Fri, Jun 26, 2009, 19:59
Jeez, check out the name of the new Russian-Nigerian energy company
 
561Boldwin
      ID: 25282121
      Fri, Jun 26, 2009, 20:33
Not from the Onion...

Not the plot of some cheezy 'In the Future We'll Hunt Humans' movie...

You can actually purchase a 'pirate hunt' cruise where you cruise slowly thru pirate infested waters hoping to lure pirates within grenade launcher/AK47 range where you will then blast them to smithereens.
 
562Boldwin
      ID: 25282121
      Sun, Jun 28, 2009, 19:37
TV pitchman Billy Mays found dead in home. An autopsy revealed an excess of enthusiasm.
 
563DWetzel at work
      ID: 49962710
      Mon, Jun 29, 2009, 10:21
Gosh, I hope there was no blood--however would they clean it out?

(Too soon?)
 
564Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Mon, Jun 29, 2009, 11:50
although it's way too early, there are reports that Mays was on a USAir flight the day before that had a rough landing, Mays was not wearing a seatbelt, and hit his head rather hard.
 
565Boldwin
      ID: 467910
      Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 15:54
Roland Burris will not run. Well of course not. He couldn't raise $100 campaign funds.

But what's interesting is the Acorn rent-a-mob at his press conference complete with conductor.

What do your suppose two hours of that costs?

Press conference
 
566Boldwin
      ID: 467910
      Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 16:00
Same as it ever was.
 
567DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Thu, Jul 30, 2009, 12:59
Why can't THIS happen more often?

Both drivers charged with DUI in head-on crash

On the other hand, this happening once is probably more than enough:

Man injured by screwdriver doing better at hospital
 
568sarge33rd
      ID: 17681812
      Mon, Aug 03, 2009, 11:52
roflmao How much trouble could a guy get into?


Revenge bikini
 
569Boldwin
      ID: 376192015
      Thu, Aug 06, 2009, 10:22
Bill Clinton to the rescue of damsels in distress in a plane leased from Shangri La Entertainment.

Yet I cannot bring myself to release about a hundred killer jokes I've run across and can come up with on my own, because being in a N. Korea prison is soooo very very not funny.

Which coincidentally also explains my current obsession with the imminent imposition N. Korea-care.
 
570Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Fri, Aug 07, 2009, 10:00
Nurse of the Year found not to actually be a nurse

Sounds like my bachelor party...
 
571Boldwin
      ID: 376192015
      Fri, Aug 07, 2009, 10:33
1) The more this bankrupt government spends, the sooner we get out of debt so…

2) Let’s spend $550 million on jets for congressmen.

3) At $3-$6K per hour, what a travel bargain in a depression. Eureka!

4) Let’s sneak it in the existing defense appropriation bill so we won’t have to disclose who asked for it.

5) Because someone might notice that we congressmen are running bankrupt car companies and should be driving hybrids to go meet our bosses the people instead of flying expensive jets.

6) And after all we do so love to meet with our constituents and ask them for their input.

7) Unless they disagree with us.

8) In which case we’ll accuse them of being an angry mob

9)...and organized protesters.

10) [Not that there’s anything wrong with that]

11) …and refuse to meet with them.

12) But if we’re going to avoid meeting with our constituents why do we need to spend $550 million for jets to go meet with them?
 
572Boldwin
      ID: 376192015
      Fri, Aug 07, 2009, 11:32
Astroturf, scare tactics and smears...

Well that is what an Acorn organizer would automatically assume, isn't it?
 
573Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Tue, Aug 11, 2009, 16:20
Man accused of groping Minnie Mouse
 
574biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Tue, Aug 11, 2009, 16:22
You'd think the beating he took from Mighty Mouse would be punishment enough.
 
575Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Tue, Aug 11, 2009, 16:26
Heh.

In his defense, she *is* a mouse. The breasts were probably hard to find.
 
576biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Tue, Aug 11, 2009, 16:30
You got me curious about the number, so I googled "mouse nipples", and apparently it's a common IT term!

Shoot.
 
577sarge33rd
      ID: 17681812
      Wed, Aug 12, 2009, 09:51
Sisters fight over gambling winnings, 500k worth

OK, I can not BEGIN, to count the number of times I have seen **** like this running my insurance agency many years ago. Mom and/or Dad died, and the brat-ass offspring start fighting over the estate and "I want this" and "You aren't entitled to that" BS.....

I say screw the one holding it now. Take it all from her and give it all to the other one; an agreement is an agreement. Pathetic how a sudden "windfall" turns a family into a warring mob.
 
578sarge33rd
      ID: 17681812
      Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 11:29
Best Buy...world of hurt???

Wed, BB had on their website, a 52" Samsung flatscreen priced at $9.99. Price is/was supposed to be $1799.99.

BB says they are NOT going to honor the price for those orders submitted while it was up.




OK...I don't know about other states, but in Iowa if an item is marked at X, the retailer HAS to sell it at X or less. It isnt an option.
 
579sarge33rd
      ID: 17681812
      Tue, Sep 01, 2009, 18:14
BoA refuses to cash check for an armless man, because he couldn't provide a thumbprint

Huh?!?!?!!?!?
 
580Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Sat, Sep 12, 2009, 12:27
13 (more) things science can't explain
 
581DWetzel at work
      ID: 49962710
      Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 15:55
Snakes with feet
 
582biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 17:00
That's pretty cool that a she killed a potential new species by beating it to death with her shoe!

This had be laughing out loud, for some reason:

A more common mutation among snakes is the growth of a second head, which occurs in a similar way to the formation of Siamese twins in humans.

Such animals are often caught and preserved as lucky tokens but have very little chance of surviving in the wild anyway, especially as the heads have a tendency to attack each other.
 
583Boldwin
      ID: 208211417
      Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 18:17
I'm not shocked at a snake which grew a leg. I'm shocked that the snake found it useful.

I actually have always liked snakes, the legless variety, not the Tree/Sarge variety, but that thing hanging on a wall would send anyone running for a shoe.
 
584Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 18:30
I actually have always liked snakes,

unless they're black. we know how you feel about them.
 
586Farn
      Leader
      ID: 451044109
      Mon, Sep 21, 2009, 11:20
Not sure if this was posted elsewhere but this scares the beegeezus out of me.

Oklahoma Survey of HS Students
 
587boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Mon, Sep 21, 2009, 11:38
At least 63% knew that atlantic was on the east coast of US...
 
588biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Mon, Sep 21, 2009, 12:05
I wish they could get the teabaggers to take the survey...
 
589boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Mon, Sep 21, 2009, 12:26
Agreed, that would be interesting.
 
590Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Mon, Sep 21, 2009, 12:30
 
591Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Mon, Sep 21, 2009, 12:50
When the lack of education is hailed as a hallmark of "real Americans" this kind of sign shouldn't be a surprise.
 
592Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Mon, Sep 21, 2009, 15:39
well, i mean, we're talking about Oklahoma here.
 
593Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Tue, Sep 22, 2009, 23:07
Swing that gospel axe!

 
594Tree
      ID: 598422216
      Tue, Sep 22, 2009, 23:31
oh man, if you want to see some bad album covers...there are a lot out there.

keeping with the religion theme:


but for pure disturbance, i like this one:

 
595Boldwin
      ID: 1185237
      Wed, Sep 23, 2009, 08:06
bili

I'm just curious how you actually feel about that 'teabagger' tag.

Do you think so poorly of America that you would also apply the same connotation to the "Boston 'oral sex' party". by your lights?

It says a lot about the libertine party using that appellation and nothing about their target.
 
596biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Wed, Sep 23, 2009, 09:34
It's self-chosen. I find it to by symbolic of their ignorance. I find the whole analogy about equally as valid, whether talking about representation or fornication.

 
597Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Wed, Sep 23, 2009, 12:38
They didn't pick teabag. And you know it.

I know you'd like to jam socialism down their throat, but that doesn't make it their choice.

 
598Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Sep 23, 2009, 13:03
They didn't pick teabag.



 
599Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Sep 23, 2009, 13:11
4/14/09 article at rightist Townhall.com: Gallup Poll Apparently Says Us Teabaggers Are Out Of Touch

Neil Cavuto's "Common Sense" column from 5/20/09: Score One for the Tea Baggers
 
600Razor
      ID: 57854118
      Wed, Sep 23, 2009, 13:22
Teabag is just so awesome. It's so close to d-bag, which fits most of them to a T, and the obvious sexual reference, of which they seem to be mostly oblivious of.
 
601Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Wed, Sep 23, 2009, 13:28
We will let the libertines go screw off in their own twisted way.

I didn't know that term and I am proud of it.

 
602Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Wed, Sep 23, 2009, 13:31
When lack of knowledge is celebrated as a trait of the "real Americans" then one should expect exactly this kind of thing. Stupid things said by them (and on their behalf), followed by a certain pride in not knowing how stupid they sound.

Back in my day education was celebrated as a way out of stupidity. But I'm guess I'm just getting old. And I guess that it is far easier to just let yourself be a tool than to do that hard critical thinking thing (something which would set yourself off as too individualistic for today's GOP).
 
603Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Wed, Sep 23, 2009, 13:34
Only a Democrat would conflate knowing every corner of sexual perversion with essential knowlege.
 
604Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Sep 23, 2009, 13:37
Honestly I didn't know what teabag meant either (though I'm personally indifferent to my former ignorance of that term). But without a doubt, if not for the Taxed Enough Already movement, I would still be unfamiliar with the term.
 
605Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Sep 23, 2009, 13:55
Teabagparty.org
 
606biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Wed, Sep 23, 2009, 14:13
"Only a Democrat would conflate knowing every corner of sexual perversion with essential knowlege (sic)."

I said symbolic.

I wouldn't know it either, except I hang around with some funny guys. I recommend not falling asleep on the couch at one of our poker games.

That they are trying to tie their movement to a legitimate historical situation of taxation without representation is a bit humorous, but more just sad.

 
607Tree
      ID: 598422216
      Wed, Sep 23, 2009, 15:59
Only a Democrat would conflate knowing every corner of sexual perversion with essential knowlege.

oral sex is a perversion?
 
608Seattle Zen
      ID: 238441010
      Wed, Sep 23, 2009, 16:32
Didn't anyone see John Waters' Pecker, the movie, really...

"No teabagging!"

That was 11 years ago.
 
609Tree
      ID: 598422216
      Wed, Sep 23, 2009, 16:48
i remember going to a party in college where some of the freshman hockey players were teabagged by the senior players.

that was about 18 years ago.
 
610Boldwin
      ID: 478362416
      Thu, Sep 24, 2009, 17:50
In fact I still don't know exactly what that term means and I am happy to leave that area of human knowlege to the Dems.
 
611J-Bar
      ID: 256552623
      Thu, Sep 24, 2009, 18:37
Sounds like being the teabagger is the better of the 2 positions. So i guess they are teabagging the policies they don't like. Which would equate to Obama being the teabaggee and somehow this is a bad reflection on them. Hell I appreciate the education fellas.
 
612biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Thu, Sep 24, 2009, 18:56
I think you gave teabagging Obama a wee bit too much thought.
 
613Mith
      ID: 0851256
      Fri, Sep 25, 2009, 07:51
Well the question of whether it was chosen seems to have been sufficiently answered.
 
614Boldwin
      ID: 47825258
      Fri, Sep 25, 2009, 09:25
...Or liberals gave it too little thot.
 
615biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Tue, Sep 29, 2009, 16:17
WTF?!?

A memoir by George W Bush's former speechwriter claims that Bush administration officials objected to giving JK Rowling a presidential medal of freedom on the grounds that her Harry Potter books "encouraged witchcraft".


The more I reflect on the last 8 years, the more amazed I am that, with Bush at the helm, we escaped with only a 5 year pointless war, lost our ability to rationally response to natural disasters, and a devastating world financial collapse.

I consider us lucky.
 
616Perm Dude
      ID: 438132822
      Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 11:44
Worst Sexy Halloween Costumes
 
617Boldwin
      ID: 1794329
      Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 12:31
Good to see that PD has not entirely adopted the libertine party platform.
 
618boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 12:42
I am not sure how "the flasher" did not make the cut.

because I found this article so interesting and i know how everyone loves a good conspiracy:

where have all the feet come from?
 
619Biliruben movin
      ID: 358252515
      Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 12:47
What I find appalling is when that they they make these sexy
costumes in size 3T.
 
620Perm Dude
      ID: 438132822
      Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 13:39
Exactly. I was in a Halloween store last week, and they had a special section for sexy girl's outfits for Halloween, they called it something like "Wicked Girls." Nauseating.

The Onion, always on top of things:

 
621Boldwin
      ID: 1794329
      Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 16:43
You won't be able to say that soon, PD. What if your comments could be construed as inciting violence towards pre-teen solicitation? I think your comments could put you at odds with Obama era legislation.
 
622biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 16:46
You really need to get out a bit and talk to people besides hate-firsters.

And no, I don't mean people you are prostheletizing to. That's not talking, that's preaching.
 
623Boldwin
      ID: 1794329
      Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 16:53
Have you read what Alcee Hastings said arguing against an amendment that exclude pedophilia from the mis-named Hate crimes legislation?
 
624Perm Dude
      ID: 438132822
      Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 17:17
There are always haters in the world. Our job is to make sure we don't join them, even when we like what they say and how they are saying it.
 
625biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 18:15
Have you read what Alcee Hastings said arguing against an amendment that exclude pedophilia from the mis-named Hate crimes legislation?

No. But I'm sure World Net Daily will tell me.
 
626biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 18:38
Geez. Can I have the last 15 minutes of my life back please?
 
627Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Sun, Oct 25, 2009, 01:42
This guy just finished listening to Rush for three hours, then watched Glen Beck, O'Reilly and Sean Hannity for three more hours...

 
628boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Tue, Oct 27, 2009, 09:59
what happens with burger king and microsoft team up.
 
629Mith
      ID: 43914286
      Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 08:15
Things that make me go WTF:

Tweedledum, who after several years still hasn't figured out how to use Guru's search function, or that a discussion about President Obama winning the Nobel Prize might occur in the most recent thread that is an ongoing discussion about President Obama.

And Tweedledee, who hated this forum so much that he single-handedly tried to destroy it and got himself banned - but still lurks around, occasionally writing antagonistic posts under a name which he apparently thinks people would pronounce as a homonym of his previous moniker.
 
630DWetzel at work
      ID: 49962710
      Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 10:10
You haven't figured out by now that people are stupid?
 
631Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Mon, Nov 16, 2009, 23:07
 
632Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Mon, Nov 16, 2009, 23:14
Also:

 
633DWetzel at work
      ID: 49962710
      Tue, Nov 24, 2009, 11:07
Who doesn't want reindeer poop to hang around their neck?
 
634holt
      ID: 308491916
      Tue, Nov 24, 2009, 21:05
re: 586
Real Oklahoma Students Ace Citizenship Exam; Strategic Vision Survey Was Likely Fabricated

re: 592, a belated recommendation to go screw yourself.
 
635Seattle Zen
      ID: 1410391215
      Wed, Nov 25, 2009, 12:40
Nice catch, holt.
 
636DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Wed, Dec 09, 2009, 14:39
Military X-mas: Buying 2,200 PS3s

Though, if you read the article, it actually makes sense.
 
637sarge33rd
      ID: 2011371816
      Fri, Dec 18, 2009, 17:40
Anyone for a 79.9% interest rate credit card?

First Premier Sub-prime CC offering

Seems the Senate chose NOT to limit CC interest rates in the bill.

Senate rejects limits on CC interest rates

Yeah, like THAT will help.
 
638sarge33rd
      ID: 1403337
      Sun, Jan 03, 2010, 08:35
Athiests challenge new Irish blasphemy law

partial quote of article:

LONDON - Atheists in Ireland are risking possible prosecution with an audacious online challenge to the country's new blasphemy law.

Under the law, which went into effect Friday, a person can be found guilty of blasphemy if "he or she publishes or utters matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion, thereby causing outrage among a substantial number of the adherents of that religion."

The penalty is a fine of up to 25,000 euros, or more than $35,000.


As I asked on another forum re this topic;

Soooooooooooo, an Irish motorcyclist narrowly misses a car on a narrow winding road, shouts "JESUS CHRIST!", and can be fined $35,000 US????????????


and in follow up news:

Spain announces that it will bring back the inquisition;
England declares another Crusade,
Massachusetts starts new witch trials.
 
639Doug
      ID: 351027518
      Mon, Jan 04, 2010, 09:46
I'm not saying I support the law, but I don't think the motorcycle scenario you describe would meet the bar of being "grossly abusive or insulting", nor cause "outrage among a substantial number of the adherents" of Christianity.
 
640Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Wed, Jan 06, 2010, 04:57
Someone explain this to me...why does typing in Illuminati backwards like this...

http://www.itanimulli.com/

...take you to the NSA website?

Did some opponent of the NSA make up some redirect?

 
641Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Wed, Jan 06, 2010, 09:05
it's registered to a John Fenley.

1985N 360E
Provo, Utah 84604-1803
United States
8014273274

a quick search shows he owns about 120 other domain names, including the one that appears to be his home page.

the NSA-link has also been kicking around the 'net since since at least May of 2009, on various conspiracy sites and discussion boards.

 
642Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Wed, Jan 06, 2010, 09:07
grrr, i hate how you can't go in and edit posts. it's almost certainly a re-direct, and not by an opponent of the NSA, but rather just a "gotcha" and little joke on conspiracy-minded folks.
 
643Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Wed, Jan 06, 2010, 10:42
There was no way I was gonna believe the NSA or for that matter the Illuminati would do that but looking at the properties in Google Chrome I could not see anything that would tip it off.
 
644Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Wed, Jan 06, 2010, 11:29
whois.com is your friend.
 
645Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Jan 06, 2010, 11:42
heh. I use whois lookups pretty much all the time in my work. Very helpful for a peek behind the scenes--I'm surprised you don't already have it bookmarked, Boldwin.
 
646Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 07:30
If I had the rigor to be fully computer literate I would have no time left for learning the important stuff in this universe.
 
647Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 09:54
not meant as a dig, but i'd put being computer literate in 2010 as among the most important things you can learn in this universe. it opens up now just this universe, but many more.
 
648Nuclear Gophers
      ID: 7115138
      Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 16:36
Stimulus money went to Zip Codes that dont exists. And you want Obama to run health care. This is starting to be to hilarious. Zip Codes must be in the Congressional districts that dont exist.
 
649Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 16:41
Actually, the stimulus "goofups" are the result of self-reporting errors as people enter information into the stimulus web site. When plugging in information into the system, someone who types in the wrong zip code will have it come up under that zip code, even if the zip code doesn't exist.

If you were to get stimulus money for a particular project for instance and you put report in the wrong information it will continue to show up wrong until corrected. This doesn't necessarily mean that the stimulus money is being used in ways not intended, since there is an approval process to be gone through before you get the money in the first place.

Lots of waste in the process, IMO, but the self-reporting problems aren't the place to find them.
 
650biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 16:57
Well...

What's the unemployment rate in these zip codes? I can pretty much guarantee everyone who wants a job in these zip codes has one.

Case closed.
 
651Doug
      ID: 3630123
      Thu, Jan 07, 2010, 19:32
Recovery.gov even had numerous disclaimers explaining that the self-reported data coming in from thousands of recipients was not being "data hygiened" by the feds (there was also a separate set of agency-reported data where this disclaimer did not apply, and to my knowledge no significant errors were found with that dataset).

This certainly didn't stop widespread misreporting of the story, however... most of I think out of ignorance, but some of it out of intentional political opportunism. *shrug* Such is life... no good deed goes unpunished (personally I consider attempting to make as much data as possible transparently available to the public as quickly as possible to be a "good deed" on behalf of the government... which is separate from any debates about whether the Recovery Act itself was good or specific projects, etc.).
 
652Nuclear Gophers
      ID: 7115138
      Fri, Jan 08, 2010, 16:47
I really thought the jobless numbers would have gone this past month, because all the temporary people being hired for the holiday season. It makes you wonder if there more regular jobs lost.
 
653Frick
      ID: 9103036
      Fri, Jan 08, 2010, 21:08
Seasonal jobs are not included in the unemployment rates. That's why they are normally prefaced as seasonally adjusted.
 
654Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Sat, Jan 09, 2010, 03:53
In case you thot your life was crazy.

Some of the most consistantly funny comments you will ever read also.

Our Tila Tequila fan rotogurupie will be fascinated to know that she is at the very least a "person of interest" in the death of Casey Johnson.

 
655Mith
      ID: 43914286
      Wed, Jan 13, 2010, 08:21
 
656Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Wed, Jan 13, 2010, 10:25
i think the contrast of his blue earrings with his red eyes is quite endearing. bonus points for accessorizing!
 
657Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Mon, Jan 18, 2010, 22:14
Pentagon supplier inscribed Bible codes onto trigger sights
 
658Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Tue, Jan 19, 2010, 06:05
And this effects you how?

It would be more appropriate if they inscribed, 'He who lives by the sword will die by the sword' but I don't see why you'd lose any sleep over the inscription that is there.

 
659Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Tue, Jan 19, 2010, 07:14
I don't see why you'd lose any sleep over the inscription that is there.

1. it puts soldiers at additional risk.
2. we're not supposed to be over there proselytizing. Whether this is an indication or not of whether we are, doesn't matter. what matters is that it adds fuel to the fire of those who think we are, and are trying to kill us for that.

it lends credence, whether fair or not, to the arguments of those who say we are fighting a war for our religion.
 
660Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Jan 19, 2010, 09:28
It is against the law, for one thing. Simple thought exercise: Let's put Koran references on the gun sights and see how long it takes after a WND article for you to post an outraged response here.

Surely you see the problem with putting religious references on government-bought secular items, even when the references are to a religion you mostly agree with?
 
661boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Tue, Jan 19, 2010, 09:50
I just read this the other day and i am sure this story is old news in the Seattle area, but news travels slow to the east coast:

The Ballad of Colton Harris-Moore
 
662boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Tue, Jan 19, 2010, 09:53
re: 657, i find that a little on creepy side, it would have been one thing to write out the verse but writing it in code?
 
663DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Tue, Jan 19, 2010, 11:27
657: And I'm sure that the cost of making those etchings on the gun is zero, right? (Nah, of course not.) So let's spend taxpayer dollars on religious inscriptions on guns. That's a great idea!
 
664Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 04:02
1) It's not a code. It's how Bible verses are cited.

2) I would assume the items were procured thru open bidding and thus...

3) The government didn't pay extra for inscriptions. They payed for the best quality and lowest price. Has anyone suggested the citations were positive factors in winning the bid?

4) The requirements of the bid appear not to forbid religious citations.

5) I've heard on the radio that these citations were a longtime tradition with that company, not something put on there to taunt the muslims.

6) When the PC crowd specifically forbids religious citations in their next appropriations [and you know they will] are the salafists likely to take back their charges of 'crusader'?

That said this is really a tempest in a teapot and who cares?

 
665Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 04:09
Maybe this would be deliberately in your face. But not those citations.

Also doubles as an NFL suspension just waiting to happen.

 
666Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 07:28
3) The government didn't pay extra for inscriptions. They payed for the best quality and lowest price. Has anyone suggested the citations were positive factors in winning the bid?

no one is suggesting the citations were reasons for this company winning the big.

if those scopes cost $1001 because of the extra equipment and time for the inscription, and would only cost $1000 without said inscription, then the government did indeed pay for them.

4) The requirements of the bid appear not to forbid religious citations.

the bid likely doesn't ban lots of things. doesn't make it any less right.

5) I've heard on the radio that these citations were a longtime tradition with that company, not something put on there to taunt the muslims.

again, not the point. If the people trying to destroy this country - and in this case, i don't mean Conservatives - take it as an affront, that's what we have to be aware of.
 
667Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 10:13
While we are at it, someone check the grease we are lubricating the ammo with.
 
668DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 10:43
"2) I would assume the items were procured thru open bidding and thus...

3) The government didn't pay extra for inscriptions. They payed for the best quality and lowest price. Has anyone suggested the citations were positive factors in winning the bid?"

Worst use of "thus" since, well, it's been a long time. "Thus" implies logical correlation. There is none there.
 
669Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 12:16
They were competing with gunsights missing the citations. They were not and could not charge extra for the citations.

What are your credentials as a logic critic?

 
670DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 12:49
So, for the record, you are saying that:

The cost of making the gunsights
>=
The cost of making the gunsights and making a custom inscription
?

Because I'm saying that the cost of making the gunsights would be less than (the cost of making the gunsights + adding a custom inscription). In other words, that the same company could have made the items without the inscription cheaper than the amount it costs to make it with the inscription.

Because, frankly, adding the inscription provides no functional purpose, so it adds additional time and manufacturing costs.

Now, it's barely possible that out of the sheer goodness of their hearts the company has actually reduced their profit margin such that the total cost to the government is zero. And if you buy that I have a lovely bridge in North Dakota to sell you.
 
671Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 12:54
Actually, it is not only possible it is quite likely. These people are proselytizing--they aren't looking to make money (or even recover their costs). They are trying to spread Christianity.

Let's not get caught up in the cost game. This is about proselytizing, not about paying some "extra" fee for the messages.
 
672DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 13:17
Hush, you, I was getting around to it once the argument was that the net cost to government is zero.

But, obviously...

EVEN IF the net cost to government is zero, we're effectively giving them free billboards.
 
673biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 13:25
So we skimp a little on the polished glass, add am extra dose of Jebus, and it's a net gain for the probability of a clean head-shot.

God loves exploding brain, as long as it ain't Jebus-loving brain. He shall guide that round to it's target.

 
674DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 13:32
So it's come to that, has it?

Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy."
 
675Tree, on lunch
      ID: 140472012
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 13:47
a friend of mine posted on her Facebook account that her pet cat Mullet had passed away at the age of 15.

she said "Mullet passed away last night, and is now with Jesus. Jesus was our rabbit. She's buried in the back yard."
 
676Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 15:20
Dwetz

Nope. That company and that owner is willing to make less money in order to pass that message on. It does not cost the government anything. The bidding is the bidding and they are not adding any value in the government's eyes so they cannot add anything to the price for that citation.

 
677Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 15:23
And yes, we are giving them tiny little billboards which probably can't even be seen when the sight is installed and which have escaped the notice of guys like sarge all these years.

Oh the agony and injustice of it all. Can you live another day knowing this?

 
678Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 15:24
#676: I agree--the cost is built into the cost of the sights. Given the nature of the thing, the builder is probably happy to do it at no additional price.
 
679Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 15:31
At least one of the 'codes' is just an additional couple digits and letters on the end of a registration number they were already going to imprint. To say there is an extra cost just isn't the issue so let's not go there any further.
 
680DWetzel at work
      ID: 49962710
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 16:48
So you'd also be fine if the Muslim gun manufacturer or the Wiccan one did the same thing, right?
 
681Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 17:01
I'll never fire one so what do I care? I just don't get what has you so worked up about it.

Maybe you can open up a competing gunsight workshop and stamp little pyramids on them.

 
682Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 17:23
Do you think maybe all that religious secret coding on the petro-dollars is what is driving Saudi Arabia to finance the training and support of salafism around the world?
 
683Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 17:31
It is an unnecessary thing. Kind of like the Israeli minister who crowed about forcing his Turkish counterpart to sit in a lower seat at a conference.

It all adds up.
 
684Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 17:34
Yeah, let's strip all that unnecessary ordus novo crap off the dollar. It just upsets the arabs.
 
685Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Jan 21, 2010, 13:08
New Zealand removing Bible citations from US-made weapons

Hadn't realized that these guns were being sold to other countries. An interesting wrinkle.
 
686Tree, on lunch
      ID: 140472012
      Thu, Jan 21, 2010, 13:53
Yeah, let's strip all that unnecessary ordus novo crap off the dollar. It just upsets the arabs.

we're not throwing pennies at them in the battlefied.

however, we are using these scopes, and again, the intent isn't why it's a bad idea. the intent may have been noble.

but it's a bad idea for the simple fact that those that feel this is a "holy war" against Muslims can use this as just another example of exactly why they feel the way they do.
 
687DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Fri, Jan 22, 2010, 14:12
Report: New league shutting out minorities

Yup, that's right, racism is totally dead in America, kids. Oh, wait.
 
688biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Fri, Jan 22, 2010, 14:50
I assume that's clipped from the Onion.
 
689DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Fri, Jan 22, 2010, 14:54
That would have made it funny and not sad.
 
690Nuclear Gophers
      ID: 7115138
      Fri, Jan 22, 2010, 16:04
I clicked on your link DWetsel, and Im not kidding, it went black.
 
691Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Fri, Jan 22, 2010, 16:24
Had some momentary trouble, but it came up fine after a moment. But the thing reads like a hoax:

*
Report: New league shutting out minorities

January 20, 2010

BY WEB STAFF
sportsnet.ca

A new professional basketball league that only allows white Americans to suit up is targeting Augusta, GA for a franchise, according to a report in Tuesday's Augusta Chronicle.

The All-American Basketball Alliance issued a press release on Martin Luther King Day (January 18) stating that it was hoping Augusta would be one of 12 cities with franchises.

"Only players that are natural born United States citizens with both parents of Caucasian race are eligible to play in the league," the statement said.

Augusta Mayor Deke Copenhaver told the newspaper his city has no interest in the league.

"As a sports enthusiast, I have always supported bringing more sporting activities to Augusta," he said. "However, in this instance I could not support in good conscience bringing in a team that did not fit with the spirit of inclusiveness that I, along with many others, have worked so hard to foster in our city."

Clint Bryant, athletic director at Augusta State University, laughed off the idea when contacted for comment.

"It's so absurd, it's funny, but it gives you an idea of the sickness of our society," he said. "It shows you what lengths people will go to just to be mean-spirited. I think at any basketball level, no matter if it's all black, all white, all Hispanic, all Asian or anyone else, the players should just be a basketball team."

Don "Moose" Lewis, the commissioner of the AABA, said the reasoning behind the league's roster restrictions is not racism.

"There's nothing hatred about what we're doing," he said. "I don't hate anyone of colour. But people of white, American-born citizens are in the minority now. Here's a league for white players to play fundamental basketball, which they like."
 
692Building 7
      ID: 471052128
      Fri, Jan 22, 2010, 16:35
I'm sure the Congressional Black Caucus will be against it.
 
693Seattle Zen
      ID: 1410391215
      Fri, Jan 22, 2010, 16:45
The hoax is on the stupid press that reports on the idiotic rantings of a delusional, self-absorbed pro wrestling promoter. I'll put it this way, there are exponentially more stories about this guy than there are confirmed players in this league, locations for the teams, or other owners.

This isn't going to happen, never was going to happen, but it is achieving his original goal, to gather attention on him and his name. Ignore the idiot.
 
694Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Fri, Jan 22, 2010, 22:47
As a wrestling promoter, Lewis was awful. He was miserable at it, and calling him a wrestling promoter is to belittle the promoters that actually do know how to get it right.

if you're even remotely interested, on his failures as a wrestling promoter here's a short read about Lewis and a John "the Body" Johnson, who's a relatively well known wrestling color commentator in Georgia.
 
695Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Sun, Feb 07, 2010, 14:42
Texas nurse being charged -- for reporting bad doctor
 
696biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Mon, Feb 08, 2010, 13:07

If two men fight together, and the wife of one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of the one attacking him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall not pity her.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12


I think I'm starting to get the hang of this thumping. ;o

 
697walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Mon, Feb 08, 2010, 14:08
Supreme Court Arguments from a Bank Robber

Good story.
 
698biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Mon, Feb 08, 2010, 14:42
Great story. Shows you what a crime it is that many prison libraries are being closed for budgeting reasons.

We make no attempt to rehabilitate, and even take away opportunities for inmates to rehabilitate themselves.

Talk about creating a situation for a revolving door.
 
699Tree
      ID: 23143812
      Mon, Feb 08, 2010, 15:56
truly an amazing and inspirational story, and it goes to so that for some folks, rehabilitation isn't just a way, it's the ONLY way.

kudos for him turning his life around in such dramatic fashion.
 
700Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Feb 11, 2010, 00:22
Man repeatedly uses stun gun on dance instructor because the instructor was a "sinner" who "defiles married women."
 
701Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Feb 16, 2010, 13:28
TSA apologizes for asking 4-year-old to remove leg braces and walk through airport machine.

Clearly someone left the holy water at home that day...
 
702bibA
      ID: 01116297
      Thu, Feb 18, 2010, 11:58
Now this is what one would call a rocky beginning.

Husband assualts wife on their wedding night

Maybe they just need counseling.
 
703Boldwin
      ID: 111562213
      Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 07:08
 
704biliruben
      ID: 16105237
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 01:47
Candidate for Darwin Awards.

The only way I can give him a slight reprieve is if there was beer involved. I can't imagine too many worse ways to die.

 
705Mith
      ID: 58136177
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 06:55
You know they tested the possibility of getting elecrocuted that way on Mythbusters and if I remember right they determined it can't happen.

Sure hope this guy didn't recall that episode and assume he was safe.
 
706Boldwin
      ID: 421172615
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 13:24
Uzbekistan widespread sterilization without informing the patient or getting consent.
 
707boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 13:31
Re:705 i wonder which is wrong the story or mythbusters?
 
708Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 13:39
If I remember right Mythbusters simulated an electrified third rail. My memory is that they found that any humanly possible stream of apropriate length would break up too much to conduct electricity back up to a potential victim.

Perhaps not all of the exposed wire was on the ground and the victim in the story had his anatomy very close to the live current.
 
709DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 13:45
Yeah, there has to be more to that story than, um, meets the eye.

Yeah, I said it.
 
710Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 13:45
Or perhaps that victim was capable of an abnormally strong stream.
 
711Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 13:48
Let's not tiptoe around it fellas: Clearly Roy Messenger died because he had an abnormally long dick.
 
712biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 15:54
"<< cough...>>"
 
713Wilmer McLean
      ID: 2521634
      Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 20:04
"Yes, Dear"

2005

 
714walk
      Dude
      ID: 32928238
      Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 11:22
Texan Conservatives Seek to Revise Social Studies Texts

A wtf for me, but maybe not for others...when I see some of the examples offered, I think it's more of a "wtf."
 
715Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 12:00
A wtf for me, but maybe not for others.

definitely been big news here...
 
716biliruben
      ID: 16105237
      Mon, Mar 15, 2010, 00:10
More Darwin Awards.

"We're more optimistic today than we were yesterday. There are still two deceased, but it's certainly a small miracle that we didn't end up with a complete, massive group buried under the snow," said Cpl. Dan Moskaluk of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

An avalanche 150 yards wide and as much as 1.6 miles long thundered down a steep snow bowl at the Canadian Rocky Mountain resort of Revelstoke, Canada, where competitors on high-powered snow machines were attempting to scale the treacherous slope during an unsanctioned rally Saturday afternoon.

"From the information that we have, it was triggered by the snowmobilers," said Greg Johnson, forecaster at the Canadian Avalanche Center in Revelstoke. "It swept over lots and lots of snowmobiles, trees. It is a very large avalanche, and there is debris everywhere.
----

Accident investigations had demonstrated "some stunningly aggressive terrain choices," the report said. "It's hard to watch as the same avalanche accident scenario unfolds again and again."


Blindingly stupid people doing blindingly stupid things.
 
718Boldwin
      ID: 53228720
      Mon, Mar 15, 2010, 03:16
That would also describe putting on a uniform and deliberately getting in the way of 11 of the nastiest men on earth. Or a good deal of the rest of the testosterone induced madness that brings us here.
 
719biliruben
      ID: 16105237
      Mon, Mar 15, 2010, 05:37
I know a number of people who do backwoods skiing. They're generally adrenaline junkies, but they spend an inordinate amount of time studying conditions, analyzing terrain, and even manning the cannons in order to avoid or ease avalanche danger.

These people were doing the exact opposite, simply daring mother nature to kill them as they spit in her face.
 
720biliruben
      ID: 16105237
      Mon, Mar 15, 2010, 05:39
In related news, the President of ConocoPhillips Alaska was swept away in Alaska while riding a snowmobile.
 
721Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Thu, Mar 18, 2010, 21:56
It's tempting to relegate to the oddities column the story of a small-town mayor and council suing three citizens for defamation.

Oh, Canada!
 
722Boldwin
      ID: 292351810
      Fri, Mar 19, 2010, 03:50
I'm just speechless. Tree with a post defending the individual from the jackboot of big government!

Just for the record, you weren't on the side of the mayor there?
 
723Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Fri, Mar 19, 2010, 09:08
I'm just speechless. Tree with a post defending the individual from the jackboot of big government!

Just for the record, you weren't on the side of the mayor there?


understandable. you're usually at a loss when people think for themselves and don't see a world in strictly black and white.
 
724Boldwin
      ID: 292351810
      Fri, Mar 19, 2010, 11:22
Yes or no?
 
725Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Fri, Mar 19, 2010, 12:27
my post speaks for itself. i thot it was quite obvious.
 
726sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Wed, Mar 24, 2010, 08:34
roflmfao, boy howdy. Talk about your STUPID criminals!

Two accused bank robbers might have just been trying to save time when they called ahead and demanded that the bank have the cash ready when they got there. But placing and order for cash didn’t get them far....
 
727Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sun, Mar 28, 2010, 22:35
Poop bubbles the size of a house. Yes, I said poop bubbles the size of a house.
 
728bibA
      ID: 49254309
      Tue, Mar 30, 2010, 10:54
Court orders father of slain Marine to pay for anti-gay protesters’ court fees

Having a hard time figuring out how the court came to this decision.
 
729DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 19:48
Sadly, persistence pays off.

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/courts-police-and-fire/2010-04-01/man-dies-after-surgery-following-jump-upper-floor-burnham-310

From the story: "He busted out a window ... on the west side. He fell on to the adjoining four-story building below, then he got up and jumped off that building, too. How in the world he gets up is beyond all of us,”

He jumped from the 18th floor.
 
730astade
      Sustainer
      ID: 214361313
      Thu, Apr 01, 2010, 23:55
sorry, but to me the most startling part of that news bit was his first name, Jeronymo (or as I pronounce it Geronimo).
 
731sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Mon, Apr 05, 2010, 19:36
this Congressman is BEYOND stupid
 
732Boldwin
      ID: 535651
      Mon, Apr 05, 2010, 21:18
The wierd thing is I actually believe there is a reasonable chance he was engaging in liberal hyperbole, just being figurative. I guess I'd have to know his normal pattern of speech better to know what the odds of that were.

At first blush it sure is easier to believe he is dumber than Cher however.
 
733sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Mon, Apr 05, 2010, 21:24
well, he does state that he is concerned about the island "tipping over". lol

ISLANDS DONT FLOAT....moron.

Technically, isnt virtually every continent, little more than a large island? Surrounded by water, albeit some mostly frozen. (While neither N. or S. America is naturally surrounded by water, the two plus Central America ARE one land mass which is surrounded by water.)
 
734Boldwin
      ID: 535651
      Mon, Apr 05, 2010, 21:31
I can imagine a cerebral liberal using that sort of imagery in a figurative way to describe unbalancing the island socially. The question is, is that guy capable of cerebral?
 
735Boldwin
      ID: 634489
      Fri, Apr 09, 2010, 10:26
'The newest and most widely spoken language in the world.'

Globish
 
736Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Fri, Apr 16, 2010, 19:28
This one I did, in fact, say WTF out loud when I read the story:

Man jailed for intentionally vomiting on Phillies fans...
 
737Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Mon, Apr 19, 2010, 12:46
Typo of the year
 
738Biliruben movin
      ID: 358252515
      Mon, Apr 19, 2010, 15:05
Lol!
 
739Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Apr 27, 2010, 17:23
 
740sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Thu, May 06, 2010, 21:13
roflmao...seems some need to work on their "technique"

texting during sex
 
741Boldwin
      ID: 183112613
      Fri, May 07, 2010, 04:57
Here is an area of contrarianism I was scarcely aware of, let alone could I have suspected would be thriving to this extent.
A recent survey of gay and bisexual men in four US cities found that 45 per cent think that HIV does not cause Aids, and more than 50 per cent believe that HIV drugs do more harm than good.
Not a brand of contrarianism I subscribe to, I hasten to point out.

This is like the ultimate 'tuff cases making bad law' applied to science. Science must remain open to testing every logical hypothesis that comes along, no matter that those who do not understand the process might misinterpret it. And did they ever.
 
742Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Fri, May 07, 2010, 20:05
funny chatroulette image:

 
743DWetzel at work
      ID: 49962710
      Thu, May 13, 2010, 15:55
Lord Jesus Christ, taking a bumper for our sins?
 
744DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Mon, May 17, 2010, 20:32
Nice headline, ESPN
 
745Building 7
      Leader
      ID: 171572711
      Wed, May 26, 2010, 16:39
Two year old smokes 40 cigarettes per day

watch the youtube video
 
746Nuclear Gophers
      ID: 7115138
      Thu, May 27, 2010, 17:25
You tube removed the video. I dont know why. Any body have an explanation. It was a hilarious video.
 
747Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Fri, May 28, 2010, 00:58
On the other end:

"8-month-old deaf toddler Jonathan reacts to the activation of his cochlear implant."




HT: The Daily What
 
748Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Mon, May 31, 2010, 16:11
Pedestrian sues Google after she's knocked over walking along a busy highway
 
749Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Mon, May 31, 2010, 19:47
not photoshopped
 
750Boldwin
      ID: 564353010
      Tue, Jun 01, 2010, 00:50
Step carefully in Guatemala!
 
751sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Fri, Jun 04, 2010, 17:14
seems the most appropriate place to put this little gem;

most all of you know the belief I have held for the past 28 years as it pertains to Christianity. Well, I was wrong. A singular event, and I have had proof I am comfortable with, that I was wrong.

Not prepared to discuss in any detail, but as one who requires proof, suffice to say; it has been proven.

As of this past Tue, I have rejoined the Lutheran Church. (Not sure what some of you will decide is the bigger WTF in that. lol That I admitted I was wrong, or that I joined a church.) :)
 
752Building 7
      Leader
      ID: 171572711
      Fri, Jun 04, 2010, 17:38
Were you hit by lightning?
 
753sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Fri, Jun 04, 2010, 17:39
lol no. Clear skies, sunny day. Beautiful day actually.
 
754Seattle Zen
      ID: 1410391215
      Fri, Jun 04, 2010, 17:40
I have a feeling that someone wearing a skirt is behind this...
 
755sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Fri, Jun 04, 2010, 17:46
no SZ.Not the case. Yes, my fiance and I recently broke up. No. she does not wear a skirt. Doesnt even own a skirt or a dress.

No, I did not pray, turn to the church, or ask for divine intervention. Just a singular event took place, which came unbidden, and stood me on my figurative head. Couple days of reflection and consult, and then I met with the Pastor at the local Lutheran Church.

I posted this, because I have staunchly and rigorously denied His existence for 28 years. Having done that, I owe Him now, public acknowledgment of my error.
 
756Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Fri, Jun 04, 2010, 17:53
So you are a Catholic-lite! Welcome.
 
757weykool
      ID: 351422416
      Fri, Jun 04, 2010, 18:01
Sarge is only one Epiphany away from becoming a conservative.
 
758sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Fri, Jun 04, 2010, 18:39
WK, if I had some Holy Water, I'd be compelled to throw it at you for that.

lol PD. Yep, Luther as you well know, broke away from the Catholic Church to found the Lutheran Church. IIRC, the primary differences lie in what each terms to be a Sacrament.
 
759Boldwin
      ID: 564353010
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 01:22
It may take seeing the right piece of the puzzle but faith is the combined gut feeling after you weigh all the evidence from the whole of your existance.

So how long do you plan on holding out on what that one puzzle piece was?
 
760sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 08:02
I don't know B. It was such a potent experience, that I am having more than a little trouble wrapping my own brain around it. No doubt, there will come a time when I'll share, but at this point, I'm not there.

The reason I made the post, is quite simple really. I spent 28 years publicly, intelligently, enthusiastically even, denying Christ's existence. Having done so, I owe it to Him to publicly reverse my posture.
 
761sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 08:18
Suffice for now, to say this: Without that one "piece" as you put it, my position would not have changed. WITH that one piece, no amount of evidence to the contrary would have sustained my previous position.

It alone, singularly proved the reality of Christ.
 
762Boldwin
      ID: 564353010
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 09:32
Have we ever had a greater switch of positions here? Not that this board had anything to do with it.
 
763 sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 10:17
email me B. I'll fill you in on the whole thing. Background, the events leading up to what 'it' was, and my 'plan' for what is next.

I need to talk with someone, and as much as we've irritated the sh*t out of ea other, you're probably the one to best understand.
 
764Boldwin
      ID: 564353010
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 11:23
Sent
 
765sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 11:38
dammit, its gonna get bounced back at you undeliverable...damn typo:

jimdirks@hotmail.com

 
766Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 11:50
nevermind--that knock at your front door is Baldwin, copies of The Watchtower in hand...

:)
 
767sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 11:52
be one hell of a trick, since he doesnt know what state, let alone city; I am now in. ;)
 
768Pancho Villa
      ID: 29118157
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 14:04
#767

The Lord works in mysterious ways!
 
769katietx
      ID: 44551114
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 17:31
Just because you "say" you are, doesn't mean you are. Its sorta like going to AA - you owe some people SERIOUS mea culpas. Lets see if that happens.
 
770Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 17:44
*snort*
 
771sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 17:54
always the doubters. Not that I blame you, but the change is absolutely sincere.
 
772Boldwin
      ID: 564353010
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 18:34
I resent with the updated addy.
 
773sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 18:46
reply sent.
 
774Boldwin
      ID: 54526518
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 19:26
What program is necessary to open that doc?
 
775sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 19:42
sorry...Office
 
776sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 19:45
I copy/pasted the doc into an email for ya
 
777Boldwin
      ID: 54526518
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 19:56
OpenOffice is having a hard time installing. This may take some time.
 
778sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 20:02
sent it as the body of an email, no doc to open
 
779Boldwin
      ID: 54526518
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 20:28
Wow. The rest of this will have to be by email or skype or something.
 
780sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 20:39
yeah, heady stuff huh? Look, you HAD to know, *I* wasn't changing my position on a whim.
 
781sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 20:40
oh, and FTR, I'm still not a Mason. :)
 
782Boldwin
      ID: 54526518
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 21:15
Oh, I think you are as serious as a heart attack at this point. E-mail sent.
 
783sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 21:34
nothing there yet
 
784Boldwin
      ID: 54526518
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 21:53
Still? It was sent as far as my email program can tell.
 
785sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 21:54
not yet
 
786Boldwin
      ID: 54526518
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 21:56
I really don't do much e-mailing so I don't know what amount of lag is usual in sending an e-mail.
 
787sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 22:07
never know for sure. Yahoo to yahoo or hotmail to hotmail is usually really fast but not always. cross providers....*shrug* no telling
 
788Boldwin
      ID: 54526518
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 22:12
I just resent it with my Gmail account so one way or another...
 
789sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 22:19
got it. Few particularly applicable passages you provided. Thank-you.
 
790sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Sat, Jun 05, 2010, 22:23
been a lot of years since I read Psalms. Maybe I need to revisit those tomorrow. As I referred to, a few questions I had, were answered within Matthew.
 
791sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 12:07
Who says God doesn't have a sense of humor?

Often in the past, I have been called a 'leader" and on several occasions, a "speaker".

Romans 12:6-8 (6)"In his grace, God has given us different gifts for doing certain things well. So if God has given you the ability to prophesy, speak out with as much faith as God has given you. (7)If your gift is serving others, serve them well. If you are a teacher, teach well. (8) If your gift is to encourage others, be encouraging. If it is giving, give generously. If God has given you leadership ability, take the responsibility seriously. And if you have a gift for showing kindness to others, do it gladly.

Does this mean, as an avowed athieist for 28 years; I am to become a Pastor? For what is a Pastor, if not a leader and a speaker?

I post this not in jest. I seek answers, and ironic as this one would be; I can hardly interpret it much differently.
 
792weykool
      ID: 351422416
      Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 18:48
Sarge:

Many pastors were once devout athiests.
Josh McDowell set ot to disprove the existence of God and ended up becoming a very influential voice for christianity.
My guess is you would find his book...Evidence that demands a Verdict.....very helpful.
 
793sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 19:57
Thanks WK. I'll definitely look into that one.
 
794Boldwin
      ID: 24528715
      Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 21:17
Anthony Flew and C. S. Lewis were very very prominent atheists who had enormous respect among the 'evengelical atheists movement' only to turn into believers. C. S. Lewis in particularly wrote some very moving, convincing and profound religious writings.
 
795Boldwin
      ID: 24528715
      Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 21:22
Flew [as opposed to Lewis] only came as far as Einstein's deism, convinced by the accumulation of scientific evidence beefing up the anthropic principle in the last few years of his life.
 
796Boldwin
      ID: 4265071
      Wed, Jul 07, 2010, 02:51
This seems to be the thread where the evidence of China railroading involuntary organ donors to their hurried on-order executions has been going.

People want to look away from this, ignore it. Sneer at it to make it go away...and use it when the waiting list for an organ they need is too long in their own country.

The unethical or dubious organ trade in India is also quite well organized and widespread tho not as horrific as China's methods. There in India it is doctors with a carefully constructed web of rationalizations and willing desperately poor donors.

In China they just round up the politically incorrect and kill them to order according to the demand for a specific organ. This is the face of the all powerful state, the utter devaluing of the individual, and the banality of evil in a corrupt system.

I really believe all those urban legends/jokes about lured people people waking up in bathtubs missing organs, that popped up a decade ago were really planted to turn the issue into a big joke and provide cover for genuinely widespread organized unethical practices which were making many unethical characters in prominent positions a filthy huge pile of money.
 
797Nuclear Gophers
      ID: 7115138
      Sun, Jul 18, 2010, 16:09
This was in todays Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. I wonder if they will ever find out why he shot himself. Hitting the deer or other circunstances.


Motorcyclist hits deer, then kills himself
Sunday, July 18, 2010
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
A Westmoreland County man struck a deer while on his motorcycle and then fatally shot himself in the head, according to state police.

William M. Amos, 47, of Export, died Friday around 1 a.m. on Route 819 in Salem.

Authorities initially thought Mr. Amos, who was not wearing a helmet, died from crash-related injuries.

But police discovered a pistol at the scene, and an autopsy later confirmed that Mr. Amos died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound of the head, according to a state police news release today.

The troopers investigating the case were not available for comment.

Investigators were awaiting toxicology results before closing the case.






 
798biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Sun, Jul 18, 2010, 21:22
My guess would be partial paralysis and an inability to do
deal.
 
799boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Mon, Jul 19, 2010, 14:55
I don't usually care about UFO's but man the video sure looks like ICBM or maybe , either way someone probably has some explaining to do.
 
800Boldwin
      ID: 3762229
      Thu, Jul 22, 2010, 10:02
Speaking of needing a little extra help...

Algore, the Barry White of liberalism: "Release my second Chakra, baby".

- Hopeless romantic still believing in the fist bump.
 
801DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Thu, Jul 22, 2010, 10:58
Well, that certainly does fit the title of the thread, I gotta give you that. Just not in the way you intended.
 
802Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 19:56
A school memo passed out to every 6th, 7th, and 8th grader at Nettleton Middle School in Nettleton, Mississippi noting the school's racial prerequisites to qualify for their class officer posts:

 
803Boldwin
      ID: 77502818
      Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 20:04
You've just found the legendary 'Land that Time Forgot'.
 
804Boldwin
      ID: 77502818
      Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 20:06
Motorcyclist hits deer, then kills himself

PETA member
 
805Nuclear Gophers
      ID: 7115138
      Sat, Aug 28, 2010, 21:05
lol
 
806Boldwin
      ID: 117422921
      Mon, Aug 30, 2010, 22:07
Not the right thread but...

Interesting story maybe. My niece has been to Germany for extended language training and recently one of her German friends was visiting Chicago for several weeks in return. The friend is taking pictures of trains and stuff and raises homeland security style suspicions as a foreigner filming infrastructure.

Chicago police treat him roughly and take his memory card. Not a fun day in America.
 
807sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Tue, Aug 31, 2010, 18:56
Good thing the friend wasn't wearing a turban and driving a cab, might have been stabbed.
 
810boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Wed, Sep 15, 2010, 16:00
this kind of old but ????
 
811DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Thu, Sep 16, 2010, 18:27
Hope you're not afraid of heights
 
812Nuclear Gophers
      ID: 7115138
      Thu, Sep 16, 2010, 19:07
811-At that height, why even wear helmets. I dont think they will do any good.
 
813Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Sep 16, 2010, 19:22
That's a damn scary video!

#812: Where else would they put the camera?

:)
 
814Frick
      ID: 328271218
      Thu, Sep 16, 2010, 19:50
Re: 812

The helmet isn't in case you fall. There are plenty of hard pointy objects on the tower. The helmet protects if from ramming your head into it. Or if your co-worker happens to drop something when he was working above you. Having a screwdriver drop on you from 20 feet doesn't feel great, but it's dull thud with a helmet. I don't want to think about what it would have felt like without the helmet.
 
815boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Fri, Sep 17, 2010, 14:03
I started to feel dizzy just watching the video, I can not even imagine going up there.
 
816Seattle Zen
      ID: 10732616
      Fri, Sep 17, 2010, 14:16
You have got to be kidding! A 30 lbs. bag of tools dangling and no requirement to connect a safety line? WTF indeed! That video blew my mind!
 
817DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Tue, Sep 28, 2010, 14:28
I'm not normally a death penalty proponent, but I'll make an exception
 
818walk
      ID: 348442710
      Tue, Sep 28, 2010, 16:32
Whoa, what a story. She says she cannot remember doing it. Drunk rage, I guess. The both of them will be paying, one way or another, for this forever...
 
819Boldwin
      ID: 55873018
      Thu, Sep 30, 2010, 19:10
Non-retouched 1940 picture:



I'm not sayin it's a time traveller, but I would be fascinated to hear those glasses and shirt explained by one of those experts on antique objects.
 
820Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Oct 07, 2010, 14:02
Mississippi judge jails lawyer for standing during, but not reciting, the Pledge of Allegiance in court.
 
821Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Oct 09, 2010, 20:05
Re: 819

Looks like protective eyewear to me. The shirt doesn't look necessarily modern, either.
 
822Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Oct 09, 2010, 20:28
Vintage 1930s goggles:



 
823Boldwin
      ID: 46942918
      Sat, Oct 09, 2010, 21:34
I'm thinking it's those sunglasses with canvas sleeve sunshades covering the sides [rather than full blown goggles] and a Michigan college sweater.

Really nice style sensibility for his time.
 
824Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Oct 26, 2010, 14:20
Scary: World's tallest climbing tower.
 
825sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Tue, Oct 26, 2010, 16:53
New word for the day: teahadists.

If I need to define it for you, you probably shouldn't be on a political forum. ;)
 
826Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Fri, Oct 29, 2010, 00:51
Maldives investigating an abusive marriage vow renewal ceremony.

Clearly they need an English-only law...
 
827Boldwin
      ID: 79132821
      Fri, Oct 29, 2010, 06:31
"Manager Mohamed Rasheed told the AFP news agency: "The man had used filthy language. Otherwise the ceremony was OK.""

Wow, I guess manager Mohamed thot it was doctrinally sound, it's just that the curse words were unnecessary.
 
828Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Fri, Nov 05, 2010, 09:58
So many possible captions for this little story...
 
829DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Fri, Nov 05, 2010, 10:29
Story removed already.
 
830Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Fri, Nov 05, 2010, 11:28
Basic story: Drunk woman living in a motel goes to her ex's room a few doors down demanding a certain, um, sexual act to be performed on her. He ex says no, but his friend says yes, but then changes his mind because she wasn't "fresh." She then grabs a knife and threatens to cut them if one of them doesn't proceed...

It is the kind of story for which the Internet was invented. Gotta love America.
 
831Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Mon, Nov 08, 2010, 01:36
Repost of the story, in The Smoking Gun
 
832Boldwin
      ID: 471028117
      Thu, Nov 11, 2010, 10:19
"Don't make me use this"
 
833Boldwin
      ID: 471028117
      Thu, Nov 11, 2010, 10:27
OMG the comments, "Rigid female pleasure device"? How do you assault someone with a credit card???
 
834Boldwin
      ID: 471028117
      Thu, Nov 11, 2010, 10:34
"Searching for an odor eater"
 
835sarge33rd
      ID: 45072817
      Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 08:24
interesting


My daughter posted this on her FB. I found in interesting in a "I have more time and money on my hands than I know what to do with" sort of way.
 
836biliruben
      ID: 34435239
      Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 10:25
Walking on public roadways while intoxicated? That's a crime in Illinois?
 
837Boldwin
      ID: 33122116
      Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 10:33
Not a law I ever had occasion to find out about. How did that come up?
 
838sarge33rd
      ID: 45072817
      Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 10:52
public intox maybe?
 
839Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Fri, Feb 04, 2011, 15:40
The Leona Helmsley-like former ambassador to Luxembourg.

I like how the staff got so fed up, some volunteered to transfer to embassies in war zones.
 
840sarge33rd
      ID: 372291615
      Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 23:39
I dunno if the guy heard/read this somewhere, or if he came up with it on his own. (Entirely possible. He ahs a sarcastic/acidic sense of humor) But at any rate, he has it as his tag line on a forum I frequent, and I REALLY enjoyed it:

Tax the middle class so you can give a break to the upper class so they will create jobs for the lower class that benefit from the programs paid for by the middle class because of the low wages paid by the upper class who sit on committees that determine how to tax the middle class.
 
841biliruben
      ID: 34435239
      Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 10:49
re: 839 - That looks like as strong an argument for the "death tax" as I've ever seen. A self-made man spawning a spoiled bitch who's never had to work in her life.

 
842Boldwin
      ID: 55217158
      Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 11:05
*Trying to imagine the arguments a conservative would be allowed to win in the marketplace of ideas, based on 'because some women can be bitches'.
 
843biliruben
      ID: 171361013
      Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 11:07
A do-nothing bitch, just like the son would have been a do-nothing prick, if he'd been behaving the same way.
 
844biliruben
      ID: 171361013
      Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 11:13
And you do know I am criticizing a prominent, liberal local-Seattle philanthropic family, right?

Her dad did a lot of good for this town in his day.
 
845sarge33rd
      ID: 1964421
      Mon, Aug 08, 2011, 23:00
Once exonerated Conn man, ordered back to prison

They were freed in April 2010 after 16 years behind bars when Superior Court Judge Stanley Fuger ruled they were victims of "manifest injustice" and declared them "actually innocent." Fuger's ruling came after a key prosecution witness recanted her trial testimony. He ordered both men released.

Prosecutors appealed to the state Supreme Court, which issued a unanimous decision last month saying that Fuger was wrong to overturn the convictions because Gould and Taylor hadn't proven their innocence. The high court ordered a new habeas corpus trial for the two men.


OK, since when does an accused have to PROVE innocence? I thought our system mandated the assumption of innocence unless PROVEN guilty. Star witness recants, saying she was coerced by police to say what she did and w/o that testimony there is no conviction; then setting aside the conviction is proper...is it not?
 
846Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 09, 2011, 00:59
It is innocent until proven guilty in the original court.

Once in, you have to prove your innocence. Baring counselor incompetence or other structural reasons, the original court decision stands until proven to be wrong.

Hence, the new trial. Sounds like they will prevail in a new trial, but they aren't legally innocent until that is over.
 
847sarge33rd
      ID: 1964421
      Sat, Aug 13, 2011, 20:30
Here's what happens when education becomes "for profit"
 
848sarge33rd
      ID: 1964421
      Sun, Aug 14, 2011, 22:12
roflmao STUPID fkn rightwingnuts....gal on FB, trying to tell me (and being rather insistent too), that B Obama taught MARXISM at Columbia and she has a picture of him to prove it.


Ummmm, airhead? He GRADUATED from Columbia, not taught there. And FTR, he taught Constitutional Law, not Marxism, at City Colleges of Chicago

And those are the people, just FYI, who gave us GWB for President...TWICE!

And some folks wonder why I am scared silly for this nations immediate future.
 
849Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 01:04


Teaching Alinski power analysis [aka marxist activism] at University of Chicago
 
850Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 01:23
The highest tenured faculty member at Chicago Law spoke out on Barack Obama saying, “Professors hated him because he was lazy, unqualified, never attended any of the faculty meetings.”
Doug Ross reported this and more:
I spent some time with the highest tenured faculty member at Chicago Law a few months back, and he did not have many nice things to say about “Barry.” Obama applied for a position as an adjunct and wasn’t even considered. A few weeks later the law school got a phone call from the Board of Trustees telling them to find him an office, put him on the payroll, and give him a class to teach. The Board told him he didn’t have to be a member of the faculty, but they needed to give him a temporary position. He was never a professor and was hardly an adjunct.

The other professors hated him because he was lazy, unqualified, never attended any of the faculty meetings, and it was clear that the position was nothing more than a political stepping stool. According to my professor friend, he had the lowest intellectual capacity in the building. He also doubted whether he was legitimately an editor on the Harvard Law Review, because if he was, he would be the first and only editor of an Ivy League law review to never be published while in school (publication is or was a requirement). - Gateway Pundit, quoting Doug Ross
 
851Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 02:09
Heh. Reached the bottom of the barrel for you? Publishing gossip about Obama's Chicago Law days?

Obviously Obama was both an editor and (previously) was a writer there
 
852Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 02:20
Posing as a professor of constitutional law when you were no such thing is pretty low.
 
853Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 02:26
Changing the goalposts again? Are you going through old email chains you received?

I'm not sure what you mean by "posing" but what The University of Chicago says about it is probably worth a read. Don't worry--it isn't wordy.
 
854Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 02:28
While most colleagues published by the pound, he never completed a single work of legal scholarship. - NYT
 
855Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 02:29
Don't worry--it isn't wordy.

Lol, Before breakfast I read more than you do all day. And yes I know what you do for a living.
 
856Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 02:46
While most colleagues published by the pound..

I don't want to get off on a tangent here, but most colleges require a self-fulfilling amount of tree killing in order to get tenure. This doesn't necessarily mean a better instructor at the end. And coming from you, who believes that colleges are a bastions of Marxist elites guarding the henhouse (to mix several metaphors), I would think that you would give pause before parroting such closed-loop judgements about instructor quality among colleges.

Sometimes real world experience is just as important for teachers.

As for reading, it isn't a matter of volume. Poetry is compressed language--reading a single poem page is very much like reading a short story or novella. If you are ever interested in going that way, by all means let me know and I'll hook you up with some mind-changing writing. Just don't expect not to have to work for the payoff.
 
857Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 02:48
Are you going through old email chains you received?

Also amusing. Projection? Is this what your inbox looks like? And WOW was that ever playing fast and loose with the term professor.
 
858Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 02:48
I should add that the curse of those of us in publishing is that we have very, very little time for pleasure reading, sadly.
 
859Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 03:03
FYI since you spend some time inventing my sources...

I have no close friends who are politically active.

There are no personal political coorespondence in my inbox.

I belong to no political organizations or parties.

I have casually or accidentally picked up four regular emailers:

AFA a family organization which keeps me up to date on homeschool persecution, cultural attacks on the family, etc.

Betsy McCaughey/newsmax because she is the only honest person in the country who fully understands Obamacare.

The WH...purely accidental. I don't unsubscribe because it amuses me to have them address me as if I was a supporter.

The Democratic Strategist...also because you gotta keep your eye on the enemies of mankind. Especially the intelligent ones.

That's it. I don't frequent any conservative forums. [or any other forum] I don't receive any chainmails you seem to fear.

Stop inventing dark suspicions about me.
 
860chode
      ID: 23412621
      Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 08:56
Re: 858

How would you characterize the approximate 80+ hours/week you spend on this site?

And, in anticipation of blustering about how that's a grossly inflated estimate, how many hours per week would you suggest you spend here?

 
861Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 09:19
#860: I work at a home office, and I have it on all the time--the number of hours RG is in a tab on my screen is probably way more than 80 hours/week, but I'm not constantly active on it. I probably take the mod thing too seriously, but I pop in once an hour or so to check things out and comment when needed.

I would probably have more time to do other things, but the RG thing is mixed & mingled with my other comp time so it is hard to tell.

#858: You have a guy who teaches you in a college course, you call him professor. Trying to make a hill out of it is really making gotcha out of nothing.

#859: I've no idea who you are speaking to here.
 
862C1-NRB
      ID: 564251210
      Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 09:41
#858: You have a guy who teaches you in a college course, you call him professor.

Not necessarily. Professor is an earned title. Adjunts are not professors. In fact, most instructors aren't professors. The (not perfect) analogy that comes to mind is lawyers in a firm. Not every lawyer is a partner and not every partner is a senior partner.
 
863Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 09:45
No, I get that. But if you are in class, raise your hand, you don't say "Excuse me, Adjunct Professor?" Or even "Excuse me, Instructor?"

Do that and you sound like an idiot. Students in a class don't care about the tenure level of the person in front in order to adjust the honorific.

The fact that the name "professor" is a common shorthand for a guy who teaches a college course isn't controversial.
 
864Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Sat, Aug 27, 2011, 02:22
How to handle a serial killer on a spree.
 
865Pancho Villa
      ID: 597172916
      Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 19:58
My daughter wants to move to California
 
866sarge33rd
      ID: 77382923
      Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 20:35
sounds shitty on the surface PV, but the only time I hired a "babysitter" over 18,. was when she was a live-in nanny and I was a single parent in the Army.

Breaks every 2 hours??? Hell even Congress doesnt get that.
 
867weykool
      ID: 343561414
      Wed, Aug 31, 2011, 20:49
Unfortunately, the unreasonable costs and risks contained in this bill will discourage folks from hiring housekeepers, nannies and babysitters

California leads the nation in jobs killing bills.
 
868Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Sep 01, 2011, 00:56
Seems to me that there are certainly better ways to make sure that housekeepers, nannies, et al are not screwed by their employers.

There seem to be a number of current laws on the books which are being ignored by many employers. Ensuring that the current laws are followed seems to me to be the best first step, rather than trying to eliminate some common sense exclusions for home care employees.
 
869Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Sun, Sep 11, 2011, 05:41
Wow, I think we lost three of these WTF threads. They are fun. 8/

Soldiers face eight inch camel spiders.



They bite and are aggressive!

 
870Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Sun, Sep 11, 2011, 05:52
And they run 10 MPH.
 
871Tree
      ID: 41512710
      Wed, Sep 14, 2011, 22:25
Jehovah Witness' Religious Self-Defense For Stun Gun Use

should we be concerned about this religion as a whole, or this just a relatively isolated incident?
 
872Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 07:50
Ok, this story blows my mind.

All my life I have heard that women were just not into this. It did not work for them. I've heard of them watching with their men to please them, but even then they weren't actually into it.

Is there some specialized category that they actually are into? Could this by a lesbian thing? If I've always had this wrong, what percent of women do like it?

Kids are like tops. They flop around making mistakes before they stand up true. I really feel sad this girl had this thrown out there into the open. Her face says too much testosterone. Started with a strike against her.
 
873Tree
      ID: 41512710
      Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 10:07
All my life I have heard that women were just not into this. It did not work for them. I've heard of them watching with their men to please them, but even then they weren't actually into it.

this might have been true once upon a time, and it's certainly still true for some women, but to paint every woman with a broad brush stroke and say "it did not work for them" is to exclude reality.

plenty of women like porn, and i'll help you off on your journey exploring women and porn.

In the first three months of 2007, according to Nielsen/NetRatings, approximately one in three visitors to adult entertainment Web sites was female; during the same period, nearly 13 million American women were checking out porn online at least once each month.

and a more recent survey reveals The findings that 76 percent of women use porn is a 10 percent rise on the two-thirds of females who admitted to watching porn with their partners in a survey last year.

Is there some specialized category that they actually are into? Could this by a lesbian thing? If I've always had this wrong, what percent of women do like it?

why on earth would it be a lesbian thing!?!!? what does that have to do with anything!!!? good lord.
 
874Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 14:37
I'm still wondering if they might view it as educational...ie picking up tips rather than getting titilated. Or conversely since there hasn't been a women's magazine published in 35 years without at least one article promising juicey details 'of what he really wants', maybe those weren't just educational. Maybe that is just women picking up porn without the stigma.
 
875sarge33rd
      ID: 329391011
      Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 15:04
roflmfao talk about over thinking it...maybe women who like (or even just dont mind porn) are just watching it cause they like it. Pretty simple really.
 
876Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 15:28
I'm still betting there is a difference. In Tree's link there was the comment similar to 'checking out a fantasy before actually engaging in it' like they might be shopping, not actually...

You have personal knowledge, Sarge, of women who liked it in exactly the same way a man would? This is typical?
 
877sarge33rd
      ID: 329391011
      Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 15:54
About 1/2 the women I have dated, looked at porn the same way a guy does...as a form of fore-play, mood setting, warming up the engine, ...however you want to put it. The other 1/2? Viewed it as demeaning to women. I would unscientifically, put the split at maybe 40-40-20...with 40% falling into each of the two typical camps and 20% with a take it or leave it attitude.

The more interesting topic here in my view...is why women in one camp will almost NEVER entertain moving into a different one. A woman with a neg view on porn, will more stubbornly hold to that view B, than you will hold to your view that I am a secret Mason bent on world domination through subtle marxist growth and expansion.
 
878Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 15:56
And we're both right. 8]
 
879Tree
      ID: 41512710
      Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 16:59
in my early 20s, i had a revelation: holy crap, women like sex as much as men.

in my mid 20s, i had another revelation: women like to do some freaky stuff, just like men!

in my late 20s, i stopped dating women that didn't have an open mind about exploring the sexual world, because, there were more than enough who were VERY interesting in exploring nearly any kink imaginable.

part of this plays into the sheltered life you lead, Baldwin. most women LOVE sex. MANY women, love freaky sex.

and of course, porn is the place to learn things. with conservatives trying to limit sex education in school, where the hell else are you going to learn.

the first time a girl said to me "hey, how do you feel about reverse cowgirl?", i knew she and i were going to be friends for life. with benefits, of course.
 
880Mith
      ID: 23217270
      Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 17:51
The problem with people who try to maintain the social sensibilities of teen and college-age youth in their everyday lives as they approach and enter middle-age is that unless they are of rather strong character, they inevitably also stunt the development of the necessary social sensibilities and discipline to earn the respect of adults.
 
881Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 18:50
Smooth.
 
882Mith
      ID: 23217270
      Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 19:10
rather strong well-rounded character
 
883Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Mon, Oct 10, 2011, 19:32
So tell me MITH, how does Berlusconi rank on the MITH scale? 8]
 
884Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Wed, Oct 12, 2011, 09:26
If you can, help me decipher the commentary for this equation:



I've researched the equation to mean...

investment minus savings [meant here as the money available to service the debt or pay the deficit]

plus

the deficit [negative number]

plus

the trade deficit/surplus [negative number]

FYI

liquidity trap

I think this is code for 'Occupy Wallstreet has it exactly ass backwards', the solution to high deficits and terrible trade, bankrupt country and disasterous trade imbalance must be investment, the USA has no other available variable to solve these problems.

Talk over their heads much?...Wow.
 
885Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Wed, Oct 12, 2011, 09:34
Which is exactly why I have been saying that when the dollar loses it's role as the world's reserve currency, and the Saudi's and Chinese [and even the nervous investors who actually like us] pull back their USA investments/IOU's all hell will break loose.
 
886Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Wed, Oct 12, 2011, 09:45
Ok, I figured out the tongue in cheek part. They are joking that the OW'ers will misread that equation to mean that pumping up the debt and trade imbalance will magically create investment dollars out of thin air.

Heck, raise the size of the next stimulus to infinity and spend 10x the wealth of the entire world in one binge, America needs more investment dollars after all. Why not create lots more out of thin air?
 
887Perm Dude
      ID: 549411117
      Wed, Oct 12, 2011, 09:59
OWS is about inequality in this country (income, political access, etc). It doesn't care so much about your well-worn conservative economic tropes.
 
888biliruben
      ID: 81382416
      Wed, Oct 12, 2011, 10:22
I am not sure what that's all about, but denying that the government can effectively invest is absurd.

We are certainly in a liquidity trap.
 
889Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Wed, Oct 12, 2011, 11:55
Well no, government investment cannot dig it's way out of debt or deficit. That is not part of the 'I' in that equation.
 
890Perm Dude
      ID: 549411117
      Wed, Oct 12, 2011, 12:04
Answering the wrong question again...
 
891Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Wed, Oct 12, 2011, 13:16
The macroeconomics equations

I am pretty sure I am reading this correctly that government spending is part of the 'general government' variable and not the investment part which is private spending.
 
892weykool
      ID: 59501220
      Thu, Oct 13, 2011, 11:50
Door to door breast exams?
The fact that this guy could get two "victims" to fall for this is truly mind boggling.
 
893Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Wed, Nov 02, 2011, 23:12
I have no idea how much weight to give this report but boy oh boy does it ever qualify for a huge wtf!
Russian Leader Tells Top Generals, “Prepare For Armageddon”

A grim Federal Security Services (FSB) report on Prime Minister Putin’s plan to meet China’s leader Hu Jintao [both pictured top photo right] in Beijing next week warns that both Russian and Chinese military forces are being placed on their ‘highest alert’ in anticipation of a massive land invasion believed being planned by the United States of both the Middle East and Central Asia.

The plans for this “Total Global War” the Americans are preparing to launch were first revealed to China’s Ministry of State Security (MSS) by the former Blackwater mercenary Bryan Underwood who is currently being held by US authorities for spying and which we reported on in our 4 October report titled “China Warns Russia Of Coming American “Great Event.”

Within hours of Putin’s reading of the coming US plans for Total Global War, this report says, he wrote a rare article in the Izvestia daily outlining a grand project to integrate post-Soviet states into closer cooperation, scheduled an emergency trip to China to meet with Hu, and ordered the FSB to notify China’s MSS of the arrest and detention of their spy Tun Sheniyun who was captured last year for attempting to steal sensitive information on Russia’s most powerful anti-aircraft system.

As we had detailed in our previously mentioned report, the “New Great Game” moves being planned by the Americans that is striking fear into both Russia and China includes:

1.) The deliberate implosion of both the US and EU economies in order to destroy the Global Financial System that has been in place since the ending of World War II

2.) The launching of a massive conventional war by the US and EU on the North American, African and Asian Continents to include the Middle East

3.) During this all-out war the deliberate releasing of bio-warfare agents meant to kill off millions, if not billions, of innocent civilians

4.) At the height of this war the US and its allies will sue for peace and call for a new global order to be established in order to prevent the total destruction of our planet.

This past week an unidentified source within the US Department of Defense (DOD) further warned that the Obama regime was preparing for a massive “tank-on-tank” war and that US military forces are “expecting something conventional, and big, coming down the pipe relatively soon.”

To how close this war may be the FSB in their report states that it will be “much sooner than later” as the Americans have pre-positioned in Iraq nearly 2,000 of their M1 Abrams main battle tanks, have pre-positioned another 2,000 of them in Afghanistan, and between the Middle East and Asia have, likewise, put into these war theaters tens-of-thousands of other typed armored vehicles.

The “final piece” for the activation of this massive armored force, standing poised like a dagger at the heart of both Asia and the Middle East, the FSB says, is the call for a “Full Mobilization” of over 1.5 million American reserve forces which can occur at “at a moments notice” as the US is currently at war and needs no further authorization from its Congress to expand their areas of operation.

Important to note about the American plan for global domination through massive warfare is that it is not really a secret, and as (curiously) revealed on the tenth anniversary of the 11 September attacks upon the United States when the US National Security Archive released a memo written by former US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in September 2001 wherein he warned “If the war does not significantly change the world’s political map, the US will not achieve its aim.”

To what the “aim” of the United States is as their war against the world has now entered its 10th year, the FSB says, is to prevent “at all costs” the implosion of the US Dollar as the main reserve currency of the present global economic system before the West’s envisioned “New World Order” can be established.

The first threat to the Americans “master plan” for global hegemony came in November 2000 when the former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein quit accepting US Dollars for oil and, instead, stated his country would only accept Euros. In less than 10 months the US was attacked and used that as an excuse to topple Hussein and reestablish the US Dollar as the world’s main reserve currency.

Interesting to note is the failure of Libya’s former leader Gaddafi’s plan to introduce the gold dinar, a single African currency that would serve as an alternative to the US Dollar and allow African nations to share the wealth, but which like Iraq’s Hussein “plan” brought a swift and brutal invasion by the Americans and their Western allies to keep it from happening.

The only nation that has successfully abandoned the US Dollar is Iran, who since February 2009 abandoned all American currency opting instead to value their oil and gas in Euros. Iran, however, and unlike oil rich Iraq and Libya, has not been attacked due to the Iranians having acquired from Ukraine between 6-10 nuclear armed X-55 missiles (range of 3,000km [2,000 miles]) in 2005. [Note: Former Ukraine President Viktor Yushchenko stated that the missiles sold to Iran did not contain their nuclear tips, a statement disputed by the FSB who states they were armed and “ready to fire.”]

This FSB report further states that both Putin and Hu were “enraged” by the deception of the West in regards to Libya, who after being given “absolute assurances” by the Obama regime that they weren’t planning an invasion, broke their word and did it anyway.

Russian and China, in turn, stopped the West’s plan for another war this week by their vetoing the US-backed plan in the United Nations Security Council to turn Syria into another Libya. So angry did the Americans become that their furious UN envoy Susan Rice stormed out of the meeting after the West didn’t get what it wanted.

Even worse for the West’s war plan against Syria was its President warning this week that if his nation was attacked by NATO he would cause to be fired hundreds of missiles into Israel’s most populated city of Tel Aviv within six hours, which would, of course, bring about a catastrophic nuclear response.

And in a preemptory move to counter the planned American blitzkrieg into Central Asia and Pakistan from Afghanistan, Indian Army Chief General VK Singh warned yesterday that thousands of Chinese military forces have now moved into Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir joining an estimated 11,000 more of them believed to have entered that region in the past year.

To the coming deliberate implosion by the US of the global economy, the FSB further says in their report, it now appears “certain” after a new report emerged this past from Philippa Malmgren, a former economics adviser to President George W. Bush, stating that Germany was preparing to abandon the Euro and has ordered the printing of Deutsche Marks to replace it.

Most frightening of everything in this FSB report, however, is the reply Putin gave to Russia’s top generals yesterday when asked what preparations should be made and he answered…. “Prepare for Armageddon.”
Does anyone have a reading on the credibility of this online newspaper, EU Times?? Their history, not some off the cuff snark.

I like 'beyond the zeitgeist' but this is halucinigenic 'beyond the zeitgeist'. Still reality frequently is stranger than fiction.
 
894Pancho Villa
      ID: 597172916
      Wed, Nov 02, 2011, 23:30
Germany was preparing to abandon the Euro and has ordered the printing of Deutsche Marks to replace it.

The most likely of those scenarios to actually happen.

 
895sarge33rd
      ID: 17109112
      Thu, Nov 03, 2011, 00:21
I dunno, but here they are begging for money from subscribers, so they can pay a bribe, to see a document they want to report on:

link

Myself, I'm not gonna give them the benefit of the doubt.
 
896Frick
      ID: 387512315
      Thu, Nov 03, 2011, 09:11
I almost felt as if I was reading the script to a bad 80s movie.
 
897Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Thu, Nov 03, 2011, 11:57
Music to read that by. Reptile - Skrillex
 
898Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Tue, Nov 08, 2011, 04:17
The three USA military bases in central asia, Iraq/Afghanistan/Kyrgyzstan all gone by 2014.

Significant if Iran or Pakistan flares up.

 
899boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 16:59
I guess this fits here: What are the Chinese building out there in the desert?
 
900sarge33rd
      ID: 1310261612
      Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 20:13
dayum boikin, WTf is right!
 
901Boldwin
      ID: 1910361518
      Wed, Nov 16, 2011, 20:45
A few seem reasonably obvious in order of likelyhood.

One is obviously a giant war gaming table.

One is likely a research reactor.

One is likely an experiment on tricking cruise missiles into missing military airports.

One is a HAARP experiment.

Most target looking markings are probably military training targets. Some perhaps for advanced weapons.

The one that looks like a square city with non-regular road grid is probably an experiment designing robotic targeting for use on cities. [such as programing cruise missiles]

The third one is the hardest. Maybe prospecting. Sampling for concentrations.
 
902sarge33rd
      ID: 2510121712
      Thu, Nov 17, 2011, 16:22
spy satellite calibration targets

Gobi desert structures explained
 
903sarge33rd
      ID: 2310401816
      Fri, Nov 18, 2011, 17:40
When is enough, enough? Write your Congressman and tell them that they dont DARE find those spending cuts, by taking care away from our wounded warriors. Havent they given enough as it is?

link

Dem and Rep alike should be able to agree, that our veterans have ALREADY GIVEN their fair share and then some.
 
904Boldwin
      ID: 221047234
      Wed, Nov 23, 2011, 17:28
Epic publishing fail:
Dear Miss Kidd,

Ursula K. Le Guin writes extremely well, but I'm sorry to have to say that on the basis of that one highly distinguishing quality alone I cannot make you an offer for the novel. The book is so endlessly complicated by details of reference and information, the interim legends become so much of a nuisance despite their relevance, that the very action of the story seems to be to become hopelessly bogged down and the book, eventually, unreadable. The whole is so dry and airless, so lacking in pace, that whatever drama and excitement the novel might have had is entirely dissipated by what does seem, a great deal of the time, to be extraneous material. My thanks nonetheless for having thought of us. The manuscript of The Left Hand of Darkness is returned herewith. Yours sincerely,

The Editor

21 June, 1968
Lol!
 
905sarge33rd
      ID: 4310132913
      Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 14:13
Dont cheat on your tattoo artist boyfriend

really, this is TOO funny!
 
906sarge33rd
      ID: 4310132913
      Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 14:20
$1100 HDMI Cable...read the reviews lmao
 
907biliruben
      ID: 59551120
      Tue, Nov 29, 2011, 23:31
I was amazed at the range of prices for HDMI cables. I paid $45 for one at Best Buy, and then the cable guy poached it for their box - dicks.

I then ordered pretty much the identical one, except twice as long, online for $3. Works great.

$1095.95?!!?!
 
908sarge33rd
      ID: 4310132913
      Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 01:39
Japan, so focused on pursuit of money; they are forgetting to procreate...literally

This all points toward a demographic disaster for Japan, which has one of the lowest birthrates in the world: 1.34 children, below the 2.1 necessary for a stable replacement workforce, which Japan will increasingly need, as more than one-fifth of the population are above the age of 65.
 
909Frick
      ID: 387512315
      Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 11:11
Shocking news I know. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

Fake tattoo story

That being said, I got a kick out of reading the original story.
 
910sarge33rd
      ID: 510433010
      Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 11:43
well dayum. lol And it seemed SUCH a grand and *evil* way to have gotten revenge too :/
 
911sarge33rd
      ID: 510433010
      Wed, Nov 30, 2011, 23:25
Android users being key logged and tracked?
 
912sarge33rd
      ID: 32118111
      Thu, Dec 01, 2011, 12:42
How well is each state run?

Odd thing, an awful lot of "fly over" states, in the list of Ten Best run states in the nation.
 
913sarge33rd
      ID: 32118111
      Thu, Dec 01, 2011, 13:12
True, not true...doesnt matter. THIS, is some funny sh*t
 
914DWetzel
      ID: 31111810
      Thu, Dec 01, 2011, 13:52
The good kind of WTF. There are a number of similar videos on this Youtube channel. It's even sports-appropriate!

link
 
915Tree
      ID: 41512710
      Thu, Dec 01, 2011, 15:00
re post 911: Senator demands answers over Carrier IQ mobile phone tracking
 
916Frick
      ID: 387512315
      Fri, Dec 02, 2011, 08:46
Carrier IQ is installed by the carriers and also includes Nokia and Blackberries. It is also on iPhones, but is only active in the Development mode.

 
917sarge33rd
      ID: 291113511
      Mon, Dec 05, 2011, 15:38
ooops

Ferrarri pileup
 
918Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Mon, Dec 05, 2011, 16:11
*Love* the last sentence of that article.
 
919sarge33rd
      ID: 291113511
      Mon, Dec 05, 2011, 16:40
ID suggestion for EVERYONE...go to your local DMV and get a duplicate license. Then give your initial (non duplicate one) to a trusted family member to hang onto for you. Use the duplicate, day to day.

Why?

My wallet was stolen. In it, is my DL. I am in CA, from IA and hold an IN DL. I cant get a dupl license without proving my identity. I cant do that, without a Birth Certificate, which I cant get, cause I have no govt issued photo ID.
 
920sarge33rd
      ID: 291113511
      Mon, Dec 05, 2011, 22:49
Conv felon beaten to snot, by an MMA in the car he was trying to jack
 
921sarge33rd
      ID: 211332319
      Wed, Jan 04, 2012, 14:49
Woman sues cop who issued her a ticket, after he leaves her a note asking for a date

"Evangelina Paredes accuses Stickney cop Chris Collins of violating her privacy by searching motor-vehicle records for her address, then leaving a handwritten note on her car windshield outside her apartment two days after she was ticketed."

Excuse me, but aren't DMV records public information? Been awhile, but wasnt that long ago if I had a lic nr, I could get a name, address and ph nr from DMV for a few $$. Further, I've known many a woman, who would have been flattered that he went to those lengths to contact her. Sounds to me, like she's a royal biatch.
 
922Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Wed, Jan 04, 2012, 14:54
A policeman searching DMV records for possible date options is not legal.

But you're right-she's clearly not taking it the right way.
 
923sarge33rd
      ID: 211332319
      Wed, Jan 04, 2012, 15:10
It's been awhile since I got (or wrote) a ticket but from my expereince, the citing officer sees the offenders DL and gets name, address etc which goes on the ticket. A copy of which, is still in the citing oficers ticket book (the officers possession). He'd not have to access DMV if he wrote the ticket, just look back through his book and he'd have the info there. THAT however, would be a violation of power/authority as the tricket book is not public info. DMV records, to my knowledge ARE still pubic info and access via that means then, would not constitute any violation. Admittedly, the status of DMV records may have changed with the recent spate of changes in privacy law.
 
924Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Wed, Jan 11, 2012, 20:02
The Supreme Court has rejected the Obama administration’s argument that it can dictate who churches hire as ministers or clergy in Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. - Openmarket.org
Explain to me how the lawyers in Obama's DoJ managed to write their briefs ignoring decades of their own hyperventilating over the separation of church and state?

WTF?
 
925Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Wed, Jan 11, 2012, 20:14
In fairness, no one has argued that the law said anything about the hiring of ministers or clergy. Big strawman there. The suit was about the school firing her when she got sick, and the school claimed a complete exception to the law because some of the teacher's duties at the religious school were religious in nature. In other words, when she filed suit against their actions, they claimed they were exempt from having to answer what would clearly be unlawful actions on their part.
 
926Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Wed, Jan 11, 2012, 23:14
Which by extention would apply even to clergy.
 
927Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Wed, Jan 11, 2012, 23:16
Which liberals in countries where marxism was more advanced have universally applied to clergy.
 
928Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Wed, Jan 11, 2012, 23:26
And further she did some religious training and the government is trying to decide who does that work.
 
929Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Thu, Jan 12, 2012, 01:02
Nonsense. She was hired as a teacher in a religious school and took on some ministerial duties in addition to her teaching duties. When she was fired unlawfully, the school claimed that she was a minister and therefore they were not obliged to follow the law.

The lawsuit was never about who the church (any church) was required to hire. The church in the suit never even made that claim. This was about how churches treat their employees, and how far the ministerial exception applies to workplace laws to religious employers.

Did you even read the case? Or have the Cliffs Notes that were dumbed down to gin up conservative media consumers get you all upset again?
 
930Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Thu, Jan 12, 2012, 05:47
Nonsense and poppycock. If this ruling had gone the wrong way and Obama failed so they rejected your argument...

...and thank you very much for the magisterial voice calling my position and the supreme court's nonsense...[your hubris is hysterical]

...there is no difference between who they are allowed to hire and who they are allowed to fire because someone you have already hired can turn into someone you would not have hired.

She taught religion so she qualified by any reasonable standard as a minister so it was a blatant attempt to allow the state to regulate who teaches religion...as clear a case of violating the establishment clause as you can make.

What other secular rules could have been pushed into the religious arena? Dress codes good and bad? Sex ed requirements that conflicted? Could the state insist a homosexual teach the churches position on homosexuality to children in contravention of the churches own position? All these areas of law apply in secular education and must not in the religious sphere.
 
931Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Thu, Jan 12, 2012, 10:01
You seem to have some reading difficulty. My "nonsense" comment was directed at:

and the government is trying to decide who does that work.

This is the current spin by the very sensitive "of this world" crowd but had nothing to do with the actual case, which was about the application of labor laws and how much religious institutions can claim exemptions from what would otherwise be illegal behavior.
 
932Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Thu, Jan 12, 2012, 12:25
Estate of teen hit by train sued by woman injured by his body parts.

Equal parts gruesome and appalling.
 
933Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Fri, Jan 13, 2012, 05:53
PD

and the government is trying to decide who does that work.

but had nothing to do with the actual case


That's not spin. That's the heart of the case. The government is telling a religious institution who they cannot fire [from their job which includes teaching religion] based on labor laws that apply to secular education.
 
934Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Fri, Jan 13, 2012, 10:51
Did you read the case? At least read the court decision before you bring your pre-chewed conservative media talking points to the table as though they were your own.
 
935Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Fri, Jan 13, 2012, 11:05
Wow, it's even worse than they said. The DoJ's actual first position, not their fallback position, was that there should be no categorical ministerial exemption from rules governing secular employment...

...and then the stated fallback position if they lost on that argument, was that the ministerial exemption should only apply to those engaged fulltime and exclusively in religious education.

Now you show me where in the language of that case you find no contradiction with the establishment clause and the ministerial exemption from secular controls.
 
936Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Sun, Jan 15, 2012, 00:18
Not to displace the previous discussion but I found this fascinating:

Albania is the world center of the sufi branch of Islam after the sufis got kicked out of Turkey by Attaturk.

@8o% of Albania is nominally Muslim to the extent they survived communism's influence, and 45% of those muslims are sufis, who haven't faired so well in persecutions elsewhere in the muslim world.
 
937sarge33rd
      ID: 211332319
      Sun, Jan 15, 2012, 13:50
Words, fail me here

Mother rapes her own daughter, films it on her cell, and uses it to give her daughter "sex education". Sick, falls well short of describing this.
 
938boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Fri, Jan 20, 2012, 18:34
only in Japan?
 
939sarge33rd
      ID: 211332319
      Thu, Jan 26, 2012, 01:58
Pres Tylers grandsons, still alive

Well, 2 of them anyway. Pes Tyler, born in 1790, at age of 63 he fathered a son. This son, was 71 in 1924 when he fathered a son. Holy crap.
 
940Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Thu, Jan 26, 2012, 02:15
Wonder if they get Secret Service protection?

:)
 
941sarge33rd
      ID: 211332319
      Thu, Jan 26, 2012, 13:30
WOW!

 
942C1-NRB
      ID: 451120913
      Thu, Jan 26, 2012, 14:35
Re: 941- But can he hit? Because that's what it takes to sign a 9-digit contract to play firstbase.
 
943Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Sat, Jan 28, 2012, 01:44
#939: To bring it full circle, Tyler's grandson thinks Newt is a "jerk.:
 
944sarge33rd
      ID: 211332319
      Wed, Feb 01, 2012, 21:53
Of course, in a town where everyone is rich, who serves the wealthy? As Mayor Rosa Pons notes, "Some of the ladies talked about going to the hairdresser. But the hairdresser won, too. And she said, 'I'm not working today.' So that ended that."

Entire Spainish village (minus 1 resident) wins national lottery
 
945sarge33rd
      ID: 211332319
      Fri, Feb 03, 2012, 21:31
holy crap

It's easy to get absorbed in a game, but it's another thing entirely to be so absorbed that you don't notice the guy next to you has died.

Gamers in a Taipei internet café failed to notice the newly deceased for a staggering amount of time earlier this week. Officials estimate that 23-year-old gamer Chen Rong-yu had been dead up to nine hours before anyone realized it....


Good gawd....
 
946Frick
      ID: 14082314
      Sun, Feb 05, 2012, 17:09
From Deadspin.com

The response from a youth basketball coach after receiving an e-mail reiterating the fact that everyone player had to play a minimum amount of time.

Hey Jordan,

Do we really have to let ALL the players play once the playoffs start?
Last year I told our most inferior player the wrong time hoping he would miss the game....he checked the website - showed up and pretty much cost us the game - season. I have 6 solid boys that can bring home a CHAMPIONSHIP!! players 7, 8, 9 & 10 KILL US. Over my dead body will I play those kids & screw things up for the talented players.


Thankfully he was relieved of his coaching duties after sending the e-mail.
 
947sarge33rd
      ID: 211332319
      Mon, Feb 06, 2012, 13:39
Norwegian rightwing extremist mass murderer, demands medal at court hearing

The right-wing extremist who has admitted killing 77 people in Norway's worst peacetime massacre told a court Monday that he deserves a medal of honor for the bloodshed and demanded to be set free.

s-e-r-i-o-u-s-l-y demented.
 
948sarge33rd
      ID: 211332319
      Mon, Feb 06, 2012, 13:47
OK blaming video games for social ills

“A gentleman shot a police officer and stole his car,” Fourkiller points out. “He had been playing Grand Theft Auto.”

Remember the 80s, when "they" blamed everything on Dungeons and Dragons? The 50s and 60s when 'they' blamed rock and roll? Now, its video games.

When, will we as a species learn, that EVERY generation has its 'attraction'.
 
949sarge33rd
      ID: 211332319
      Mon, Feb 06, 2012, 20:31
fkn PETA

A federal judge for the first time in U.S. history heard arguments Monday in a case that could determine whether animals enjoy the same constitutional protection against slavery as human beings.

U.S. District Judge Jeffrey Miller called the hearing in San Diego after Sea World asked the court to dismiss a lawsuit filed by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals that names five orcas as plaintiffs in the case.

PETA claims the captured killer whales are treated like slaves for being forced to live in tanks and perform daily at its parks in San Diego and Orlando, Fla.
 
950biliruben
      ID: 59551120
      Tue, Feb 07, 2012, 00:04
 
951C1-NRB
      ID: 451120913
      Tue, Feb 07, 2012, 15:49
PETA claims the captured killer whales are treated like slaves for being forced to live in tanks and perform daily at its parks in San Diego and Orlando, Fla.
Finish the joke time!

"But not at Sea World San Antonio because ______________"

Texas is a right-to-work state. The whales could always get other jobs.

Whales something something precedent something Oprah something something mad cow disease.

Texans think PeTA is a frou-frou cheese that comes on the ignored side item, a "salad"-whatever that is- when they order a steak. Or maybe that's feta cheese...
 
952Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Tue, Feb 07, 2012, 16:03
Texas is a right-to-work state. The whales could always get other jobs.

Hahaha. Well played.
 
953DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Tue, Feb 07, 2012, 16:32
"... they were born in international waters and should be deported in favor of Alaskan salmon."


Do I win?
 
954Frick
      ID: 14082314
      Thu, Feb 09, 2012, 09:54
Have you ever wondered how big the Universe is? Or how small the nucleus of an atom is? Great interactive map that shows sizes relative and is mind blowing in it's simplicity.

link
 
955sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Thu, Feb 09, 2012, 13:35
LA County Board of Supervisor, 37 pg ordnance banning throwing frisbees, footballs on the beach...$1,000 fine

(oh, and COOL link Frick!)
 
956sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Fri, Feb 10, 2012, 01:08
double murder over facebook defriending

un-freakin-believable, what this world is coming to.
 
957weykool
      ID: 1611471811
      Fri, Feb 10, 2012, 02:20
#955.
When you read the article it does make some sense.
The update means that beach-goers may toss balls and Frisbees with Lifegauds permission on beaches in Los Angeles County between Memorial Day and Labor Day.
They are actually lifting an all out ban.
As long as the lifeguard isnt a dikhead and uses common sense there shouldnt be a problem.
There are times on a crowded beach when people dont use common sense....hence the the ban.

I do find this to be a head scratcher:
The ordinance also prohibits digging any hole deeper than 18 inches into the sand, except where permission is granted for film and TV production services only.
 
958sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Fri, Feb 10, 2012, 12:57
There are times on a crowded beach when people dont use common sense....hence the the ban.


If the purpose is safety, there are far MORE times, on far MORE crowded LA freeways; where people use even less common sense and pose far greater danger. So, do they ban cars w/o local precinct permission?

It's an obscene ordnance with one purpose and one purpose only....money grab.
 
959Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Fri, Feb 10, 2012, 13:07
I'm sure if people were tossing balls between cars on the freeways that the practice would get banned too. I'm with wk on this one.
 
960sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Mon, Feb 13, 2012, 15:19
9in x 17in acorn bird feeder...$7,900

previous pagem, said "pole not included". Foir 8 grand, I want the feeder, the pole AND, the pole dancer.
 
961Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Tue, Feb 14, 2012, 11:10
Babysitting while white.

This kind of stuff really pisses me off. Here we are in 2012, and police respond like this because the child is a different race than the adult walking with them.
 
962Frick
      ID: 52182321
      Wed, Feb 15, 2012, 07:27
I want to hear the other side of the story, but I tend to agree with you. If they treat every reported possible kidnapping with the same degree of intensity, I don't see a problem. However I agree with you that it is probably the result of racist cops initiated by a racist who reported a possible kidnapping because of the mixed raced combination.
 
963sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Wed, Feb 15, 2012, 21:17
The cops having been called, and the initial female officers caution..I have no issue with. HOWEVER, once she cleared him, she should have notified her dispatch, who in turn should have notified Austin PD, who should have called off any further actions. That second stop, and all the BS it entailed, should NEVER have happened.
 
966sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Thu, Feb 16, 2012, 00:16
costs 2.4 cents to mint a penny and 11.2 cents, to mint a nickel

Really, would there be any harm in the mint NOT minting any pennies, or any nickels at all...for one or two years?
 
967Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Thu, Feb 16, 2012, 01:22
Gotta have 'em. Otherwise, how can I tell the waitress what crappy service I got?
 
968sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Fri, Feb 17, 2012, 16:12
lol didnt suggest taking them out all together. Just use what is in ciurculation, and for 2 years, dont mint new ones.
 
969boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Fri, Feb 17, 2012, 16:44
I think that is good idea either that or figure out how to print them for less than their face value.
 
970Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Fri, Feb 17, 2012, 16:53
Why should the government make money on minting coins? Or at least, why should they not lose money?

Seems to be the cost of doing business, once you declare them legal tender.
 
971sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Fri, Feb 17, 2012, 17:37
man trying to evict his 98 yr old mother, from "his" home

egads
 
972sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Sat, Feb 18, 2012, 14:38
Jon Stewart couldnt have made up this headline
 
973sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Sat, Feb 18, 2012, 19:26
repeatedly kicked off bus, Mom makes him walk to school. She is charged, with child endangerment

Admittedly, Nequavion's walk was long, but that's what made it consequentially perfect. As he said, it was mom's way of teaching him to appreciate the bus (kudos, Nequavion, for recognizing that). If she had chauffeured him to school, what would that have taught him? I can see the wheels turning. "Get in trouble--ride in comfy car. Be good--ride crowded, uncomfortable school bus."


Mom needs a commendation, not jail.


Agreed.
 
974biliruben
      ID: 34820210
      Sat, Feb 18, 2012, 19:45
Stranger danger. Christ. Obesity is about 200,000 times for likely than a stranger harming a 10 year old.

I country has some problems with risk perception.
 
975sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Sat, Feb 18, 2012, 23:16
Is it bad, that I dont feel bad, for laughing?
 
976biliruben
      ID: 34820210
      Sun, Feb 19, 2012, 09:15


Having a preschooler, this is what immediately popped to mind.

"Can we squirt him out? No..."

The bicyclists giggle..

 
977sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Thu, Feb 23, 2012, 01:52
Colorado woman ordered to turn over her computer password or provide prosecutors with an unencryoted version of her harddrive

5th Amendment issues?

A judge last month sidestepped the issue of ordering Fricosu to turn over her password, and instead ordered her to turn over an unencrypted version of the hard drive. Prosecutors had argued the password was like gaining a key to a lock box and other instances where a defendant signs documents to allow investigators to access overseas accounts.

But DuBois said that the order establishes "a very dangerous precedent that a person may be forced to assist in her prosecution in a way the law has not seen ever before."


The Govt does not know what is on the HD. Since when, do we compel someone to wilfully provide self incriminating evidence?
 
978sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Sat, Feb 25, 2012, 23:22
This is HUGELY troublesome, and probably deserves a thread fo its own for discussion:

Pennsylvania Judge says Muslims are allowed to attack those who mock Islam

Jonathon Turley, a law professor at George Washington University, reports on a disturbing case in which a state judge in Pennsylvania threw out an assault case involving a Muslim attacking an atheist for insulting the Prophet Muhammad.

Judge Mark Martin, an Iraq war veteran and a convert to Islam, threw the case out in what appears to be an invocation of Sharia law.

The incident occurred at the Mechanicsburg, Pa., Halloween parade where Ernie Perce, an atheist activist, marched as a zombie Muhammad. Talaag Elbayomy, a Muslim, attacked Perce, and he was arrested by police.

Judge Martin threw the case out on the grounds that Elbayomy was obligated to attack Perce because of his culture and religion. Judge Martin stated that the First Amendment of the Constitution does not permit people to provoke other people. He also called Perce, the plaintiff in the case, a "doofus." In effect, Perce was the perpetrator of the assault, in Judge Martin's view, and Elbayomy the innocent. The Sharia law that the Muslim attacker followed trumped the First Amendment.


I have no words...none, for this travesty of justice.
 
979DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Sun, Feb 26, 2012, 10:26
Could write something long; pretend I just posted the notsureifserious picture at the judge, and leave it at that.
 
980sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Sun, Feb 26, 2012, 12:42
Have to be careful too, in calls for the Jusges removal. Dont want to set a precedent of such a thing being "easy" to do, just because you disagree with a decision they made.

Dont know if his Judgeship is an elected or appointed one. If elected, is a recall option viable?
 
981Seattle Zen
      ID: 4811181319
      Sun, Feb 26, 2012, 12:54
Don't know much about that case, Sarge, but I don't think it's a big deal. If that guy called your daughter a c@ck$ucking whore and you slugged him, hell, that's what we did back in the day. When the Judge throws out that case, are you equally upset?
 
982sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Sun, Feb 26, 2012, 13:23
Sure Zen, back in the day we carried 6-shooters on our hips and shot one another over allegations of cheating at cards. That isnt how oour laws work today however.

To impose Sharia Law (stating the Muslim was OBLIGED to assault the offender), would justify then would it not..an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth? So, rape my dau, I rape your wife. We're even...right? Vigilantism, isnt the answer, and thats where that sort of decision would lead.
 
983DWetzel
      ID: 53326279
      Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 14:10
There's just no other decent spot to put this one (not really fair to the Christian conservatives to toss this in there), so:

LOL Scientologists
 
984sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Wed, Feb 29, 2012, 16:35
maybe now, we folks in "fly over" country, will get some respect.... (and maybe even, a free beer!)


An Iowa man has been named beerdrinker of the year by a Colorado brewing company...
 
985sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Tue, Mar 20, 2012, 19:46
prospective employers asking for usernames and passwords to applicants social media accounts

How is that legal? It's the same as saying bring all your mail in here and open in front of us, so we can see what kind of stuff you subscribe to. I smell lawsuits coming.
 
986Frick
      ID: 52182321
      Tue, Mar 20, 2012, 20:12
Absolutely. But even more, would you really want to work for a company like that?
 
987Mith
      ID: 50151411
      Tue, Mar 20, 2012, 20:25
How many people have their pick of employers lined up ready to hire them? For most people it's hard enough to find a single employer willing to pay you what the market says your skills and experience are worth.
 
988sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Tue, Mar 20, 2012, 20:27
2 or 3 invasion of provacy lawsuits, and wont have to woprry about working for a living, ever again. be set.

They want to LOOK at my FB? Go ahead. But dont for one second think I am giving you access to it as though you were me.
 
989sarge33rd
      ID: 4717718
      Fri, Mar 23, 2012, 14:58
Pat Robertson can go to hell

"And you just ask yourself," Robertson said, "OK, so Peyton Manning was a tremendous MVP quarterback, but he's been injured. If that injury comes back, Denver will find itself without a quarterback. And in my opinion, it would serve them right."
 
990Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Fri, Mar 23, 2012, 15:58
#985: Facebook is firing back.
 
991Boldwin
      ID: 12214143
      Fri, Mar 23, 2012, 16:12
If Peyton breaks down and washes out physically in the next three years, almost a given in my book, Denver will go down as the all time worst string of QB decisions by a team over the course of a decade. Never before has a team associated itself with so much quality QB and gotten so little from them before throwing them away.
 
992sarge33rd
      ID: 34536813
      Tue, Jun 12, 2012, 11:58
Just saw this on CNN. Pure heroism on display, all around:

You have an RPG embedded in your leg
 
993biliruben
      ID: 28420307
      Wed, Jun 13, 2012, 15:13
I'm sharing this with you because I'm mean. Do not click through.

Lottin, a 21-year-old aspiring model and nudist from Portland was questioned at length by Washington County Sheriff's Deputies recently after she posted on the Internet gory photos of herself naked inside a horse that she bought, shot, gutted, posed naked inside of, and ultimately ate.
 
994sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Mon, Jun 18, 2012, 18:26
math skills anybody?

link

Gillian Anderson started playing buttoned-up Agent Scully in cult TV show The X-Files when she was 30 years old, in 1993. Nearly 20 years later, Gillian is looking crazy-amazing at age 43! Is it just us or does she grow more gorgeous with age? (emphasis added)

Only in Hollywood...30 in 1993...
2012 is nearly 20 years later (19)...

So in Hollywood, 30 + 19 = 43?!?!?!?!?
 
995DWetzel
      ID: 312362513
      Mon, Jun 18, 2012, 20:16
Plastic surgery gets better every year!
 
996Frick
      ID: 52182321
      Mon, Jun 18, 2012, 20:53
Demi Moore agrees with you.

Joan Rivers isn't as sure.
 
997DWetzel
      ID: 31111810
      Mon, Jun 18, 2012, 21:51
Well, yes, but Joan Rivers is so old her plastic surgery was done with leeches.
 
998Tree
      ID: 17039238
      Mon, Jun 18, 2012, 23:14
Gillian Anderson started playing buttoned-up Agent Scully in cult TV show The X-Files when she was 30 years old, in 1993. Nearly 20 years later, Gillian is looking crazy-amazing at age 43! Is it just us or does she grow more gorgeous with age? (emphasis added)

Only in Hollywood...30 in 1993...
2012 is nearly 20 years later (19)...

So in Hollywood, 30 + 19 = 43?!?!?!?!?


she's 43. she was born in 1968, and started playing Scully when she was 25. the math works, they just have her age wrong.
 
999Mith
      ID: 23217270
      Tue, Jun 19, 2012, 08:59
In this case I think the issue is less with Hollywood and more with the hiring standards for writers and copy editors at Wetpaint.com.
 
1000Tree
      ID: 17039238
      Tue, Jun 19, 2012, 11:50
the hiring standards for writers and copy editors

wait, someone is actually hiring copy editors still!?!?!?!
 
1001Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Tue, Jun 19, 2012, 12:05
You might not have noticed, Tree, since the online recruitment sites all call them "copieditors."
 
1002sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Tue, Jun 19, 2012, 12:46
if you're gonna do conspiracy theory doit right, like this gal :

link
 
1003sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Thu, Jun 21, 2012, 19:22
somebody, ANYBODY...please explain this to me...

Son killed by drunk driver, State bills mother for highway cleanup

GREENVILLE, SC (WYFF) - A drunken driver killed an Upstate women's son last year, and if the grief wasn't enough, she's had to deal with bills associated with the wreck, even for the cost of cleaning up her son's blood.

A coroner called Loretta Robinson last June and told her that her oldest son, Justin Walker, died when his car was struck by a drunken driver on White Horse Road. "I never would have imagined getting that call," she said. "Never in one million years expected that."

Robinson looked Anna Gonzalez, the accused driver, in the eye in court Tuesday as Gonzalez pleaded guilty.

The grieving mother then showed the judge the many bills she's had to pay, even though her son was not at fault....
 
1004sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Sat, Jun 23, 2012, 13:50
most hilarious craigslist add ever
 
1005sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Sat, Aug 04, 2012, 22:40
OK wildfires, arson?

unbelievable

Authorities suspect that fire might be arson and are looking for a person seen throwing newspapers out a black pickup's window after setting them ablaze.
 
1006DWetzel
      ID: 25740420
      Sat, Oct 13, 2012, 22:58
Posted without comment. Enjoy.
 
1007sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Sun, Oct 14, 2012, 16:39
Facebook...Iranians for Mitt Romney

best reason yet, to vote for ANYONE other than Romney. The Iranians like him as President.
 
1008Boldwin
      ID: 119531322
      Sun, Oct 14, 2012, 17:02
Those would be the Iranians that Obama hung out to dry, not supporting their revolt against the islamist Iranian radical administration.

Whereas Obama supported every muslim brotherhood Islamist revolution.
 
1009Boldwin
      ID: 539121714
      Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 16:59
I've heard of jury nullification, but never witness nullification. Tho I guess that pretty well describes ghetto cooperation with the police.
 
1010Tree
      ID: 57842011
      Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 17:21
the restaurant was, appropriately, located in the Baldwin Park section of Orlando.
 
1011Mith
      ID: 18451815
      Wed, Oct 17, 2012, 19:48
Boldwin you didn't care a whit about Obama's Iran policy during the Green Revolution Revolution. You never uttered a peep about it when it was happening.
 
1012sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Mon, Oct 22, 2012, 18:58
Italian courts, driving a "brain drain"

A regional court found them guilty of multiple manslaughter.

Prosecutors said the defendants gave a falsely reassuring statement before the quake, while the defence maintained there was no way to predict major quakes.

The 6.3 magnitude quake devastated the city and killed 309 people.
 
1013Boldwin
      ID: 579112216
      Mon, Oct 22, 2012, 19:10
MITH

Of course I did. Thanks for the time consuming wild goose chase.

You well know I love the people of Iran, and would love to see them free of the people who have hijacked their country.
 
1014Mith
      ID: 18451815
      Mon, Oct 22, 2012, 19:40
I looked. Not a single word in criticism of Obama's Iran policy regarding the Green Revolution. In fact you barely commented on the Green Revolution at all, maybe three times. And then only to criticize Ahmadinejad, never any specific support for the movement.

In fact most of your posts in that discussion interrupted talk about the Green Revolution and changed the subject more specifically to Ahmadinejad, with little mention of what was happening on the street.

Seriously, not a word about Obama and the Green Revolution.


You would be the best clerk in the history of the Ministry of Truth's Records Department.
 
1015Boldwin
      ID: 579112216
      Mon, Oct 22, 2012, 22:42
There is no way you looked thru every possible post wrt Iran during that period. I spent an hour and gave up. I remember what I said tho.
 
1016Mith
      ID: 23217270
      Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 00:46
Not a word.
 
1017Tree
      ID: 57842011
      Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 02:22
:oD
 
1018Mith
      ID: 18451815
      Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 07:47
Pretty much every time we touched on the Green Revolution it would have been in one of these threads. Checked them all. Took me well under an hour, by the way.

You simply had nothing to say on the matter of Obama and the Green Revolution at the time. In fact you didn't become critical of him on that issue at all until Egypt and Libya erupted.
 
1019Boldwin
      ID: 29929235
      Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 11:35
Look, I put an hour into research on it, but I refuse to lured into more research. I know Obama was a no show for those anti-global caliphate protesters and a huge factor in promoting the global caliphate. I know We talked about it here around the time of Neda's death. I know I criticized Obama's weak hand. I didn't write a handbook on revolution. I am not a revolutionary.
 
1020sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 11:42
no, just a reactionary
 
1021Mith
      ID: 98342014
      Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 11:43
I know I criticized Obama's weak hand.

Nope, not at the time.
 
1022Tree
      ID: 439482310
      Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 11:53
so, is this a KO for MITH, or just a TKO. it appears as if Baldwin refuses to come out of his corner, so i guess that's a TKO.

I refuse to lured into more research about sums up your recent years on these boards.
 
1023Boldwin
      ID: 29929235
      Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 14:36
Obama's excuse was that if he supported the revolution in Iran it would actually hurt them in a muslim country to be supprted by 'the great satan'. The other interpretation was that he didn't want to help them. I don't remember him saying he couldn't support the al qaeda takover of Libya because it would hurt them to be seen getting support from america. Or in Egypt. Or in Syria. Funny that he only is against revolutions when they hinder the jihadi al qaeda side.
 
1024Perm Dude
      ID: 3210201915
      Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 14:44
Obama rightly believed that overt support would kill off the nascent uprising--nothing would be worse for the green revolution than to have the US President essentially slap on a bumper sticker "Sponsored by the United States!"
 
1025Mith
      ID: 98342014
      Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 15:00
1023: Yep, that was the tract you discovered and committed to when Egypt and Libya blew up - well after the Green Revolution was finished.

But if that isn't going to stop you, I sure do hope you won't let yourself be held back by the fact that you are hopelessly lost on the difference between massive peaceful street deomnstrations an actual armed fighting revolution led by militants with actual support from the national military.
 
1026Boldwin
      ID: 29929235
      Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 16:00
No, that was Obama's lame excuse when he denied help to Iranian protesters. I was was very disappointed in the lack of interest, both on his part and the media's. At the time.
 
1027Mith
      ID: 98342014
      Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 16:08
You must be even more disappointed in your own lack of interest at the time.
 
1028Boldwin
      ID: 29929235
      Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 16:37
This is a complete invention on your part, MITH. I was just as concerned for the students in Iran trying to peacefully protest as I have been excersized over Darfur or the fulon gong and eastern lightening organ harvesting in China or the massacre in Rwanda.
 
1029boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 16:41
Ill agree to a degree the US does have selective denial of atrocities and we do make up excuses real or imagined both for and against intervention.
 
1030Boldwin
      ID: 29929235
      Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 16:46
Boikin

MITH is fully committed to Orwell these days. In his universe Reagan is an Obama voter and I am the taliban.
 
1031Mith
      ID: 98342014
      Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 16:46
This is a complete invention on your part, MITH

No, I've simply said that the posts you claim to have written on the topic in 2009 do not exist. How can I possibly invent something which I argue does not exist? You are the inventor here.


You've been fond over the years of boasting that you've stood up for this cause or that before others or while everyone else ignored it. Darfur is a notable example of this.


But if you were cheeing on the Green Revolutionaries as they tood to the streets and then lamenting on the crackdowns as word got out - you weren't doing it here. Here, you were changing the subject.
 
1032Mith
      ID: 98342014
      Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 16:49
1029 - I can go with that too. Further, I'm really not sure how B thinks Obama should have helped the demonstrators.

Bomb them?
 
1033Mith
      ID: 98342014
      Tue, Oct 23, 2012, 16:49
Convert them to Christianity?
 
1034Boldwin
      ID: 29929235
      Wed, Oct 24, 2012, 01:24
If he had actually been in their corner, their profile would have been larger on the world stage. Western leaders know how to get that done. They've moved the Shah of Iran and Mubarak and Khadafi, the presidents of Pakistan and Jordan around like chess pieces. The protesters wouldn't have been so soon forgotten. The persecution so consequence free.
 
1035Mith
      ID: 18451815
      Wed, Oct 24, 2012, 06:38
LAUGH
 
1036boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Wed, Oct 24, 2012, 11:04
Almost missed the really interesting link in post 1012. Interesting find.
 
1037boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Wed, Oct 24, 2012, 13:17
Not sure if this goes here, honestly it could go in the any sports threads too, but it makes for interesting read(if not the best writing) Is it just coincidence that all 4 of the major sports leagues have the same lawyer?
 
1038Boldwin
      ID: 2397243
      Wed, Oct 24, 2012, 13:58
Re #1012 , #1036

Italy just has to overturn that. Scientists worldwide will protest it until they do and no scientist will provide any service to the Italian government that would remotely be actionable under this crazy legal regime.
 
1039Boldwin
      ID: 5399283
      Sun, Oct 28, 2012, 05:35
Asking the important questions

So I've never actually mustered up the courage to eat a 'Hot Pocket'. [I fear change and new things]

So the question is, am I missing out?
 
1043sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Sun, Oct 28, 2012, 13:39
*self edited 1040 and 1042...somehow got under the wrong thread,
 
1044Boldwin
      ID: 361012125
      Mon, Nov 12, 2012, 13:06
McAfee, yes that McAfee.

Murdering rectal plugger.
 
1045Boldwin
      ID: 2810151220
      Tue, Nov 13, 2012, 15:18
The case for Witnesses marrying 'only in the lord'.
 
1046slug
      ID: 167132313
      Tue, Nov 13, 2012, 15:41
I bet he votes in the next election
 
1047sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Tue, Nov 13, 2012, 15:41
bet she doesnt
 
1054Boldwin
      ID: 1410591818
      Mon, Nov 19, 2012, 00:30
For some, successful promotion is lowering expectations humorously.
 
1055sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Wed, Nov 21, 2012, 19:35
Chattanooga, TN...home of the nations fastest, in every home/business internet

I was in Chattanooga, Tenn., last week, and people were still buzzing about an unusual duet heard on Oct. 13, using superlow-latency videoconference technology and the city’s new gigabit-per-second fiber-optic network. T-Bone Burnett, a Grammy Award winner, performed “The Wild Side of Life” with Chuck Mead, a founder of the band BR549, for an audience of 4,000. But Burnett played his part on a screen from a Los Angeles studio and Mead on a stage in Chattanooga. The transcontinental duet was possible, reported Chattanoogan.com, because the latency of Chattanooga’s new fiber network was 67 milliseconds, meaning the audio and video traveled 2,100 miles from Chattanooga to Los Angeles in one-fourth the blink of an eye.

...

How fast is that Chattanooga choo-choo? The majority of Chattanooga homes and businesses get 50 megabits per second, some 100 megabits, a few 250 and those with big needs opt for a full gigabit per second, explained Harold DePriest, the chief executive of EPB, the city’s electric power and telecom provider, which built and operates the network. “The average around the country is 4.5 megabits per second.” So average Internet speed in Chattanooga is 10 times the national average. That doesn’t just mean faster downloads. The fiber grid means 150,000 Chattanooga homes now have smart electric meters to track their energy consumption in real time. More important, said DePriest, on July 5, Chattanooga got hit with an unusual storm that knocked out power to 80,000 homes. Thanks to intelligent power switching on the fiber network, he said, “42,000 homes had their electricity restored in ... 2 seconds.” Old days: 17 hours.


WOW
 
1056sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Wed, Nov 21, 2012, 20:02
French bees eating M&Ms, make blue and green honey
 
1057Boldwin
      ID: 211040295
      Thu, Nov 29, 2012, 11:54
Killing incentive: rewarded for making $29,000 instead of $69,000.

 
1058sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Thu, Nov 29, 2012, 13:21
The single parent, and society as a whole, are oft best served by allowing that parent to BE a full-time parent.
 
1059Tree
      ID: 2610512912
      Thu, Nov 29, 2012, 13:51
without really studying that chart, it looks like a large percentage of that goes to childcare (the bright yellow).

so, let me get this straight. the radical right wants to force women to have children, then wants nothing to do with helping ensure those children have a fair chance

things like day care are NOT cheap. a reputable place can cost thousands a month.
 
1060Boldwin
      ID: 211040295
      Thu, Nov 29, 2012, 14:22
Singer, a tenured Princeton bioethics professor, spoke from 4 to 6 p.m. in a panel the university promised “will provoke Christians to think about other animals in new ways.”

Singer has long lamented the societal stigma against having sex with animals.

“Not so long ago,” Singer wrote in one essay, “any form of sexuality not leading to the conception of children was seen as, at best, wanton lust, or worse, a perversion. One by one, the taboos have fallen. But … not every taboo has crumbled.”

In the essay, titled “Heavy Petting,” Singer concluded that “sex across the species barrier,” while not normal, “ceases to be an offence [sic] to our status and dignity as human beings.”

“Occasionally mutually satisfying activities may develop” when humans have sex with their pets, he claimed.

In addition to supporting bestiality and immediately granting equal legal rights to animals, Singer has also advocated euthanizing the mentally ill and aborting disabled infants on utilitarian grounds.

In his 1993 essay “Taking Life,” Singer, in a section called “Justifying Infanticide and Non-Voluntary Euthanasia,” wrote that “killing a disabled infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person.”

“Very often it is not wrong at all,” he added, noting that newborns should not be considered people until approximately a month after their birth…
Just a week earlier, Fordham had forbidden Ann Coulter speaking at Fordham as being too offensive.

Obviously the antichrists have overturned the moral order.
 
1061sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Thu, Nov 29, 2012, 14:43
Do you sit and scour the internet, looking for that 1 in 1,000,000 person to point at and attempt to make into a representative example of an opposing viewpoint? Is there nothing, more constructive to do with your time?
 
1062Mith
      ID: 23217270
      Thu, Nov 29, 2012, 14:55
Looking at the Fordham stuff here and the EBay thing and positions he has taken on various boycotts (which always hinge on who they are being staged against), I think B might need a quick refresher on how free speech works.
 
1063Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Thu, Nov 29, 2012, 15:05
"The single mom is better off earning gross income..."

Maybe. But the chart gives net wages, not gross wages. I've seen the original (pdf of the talk here) but I don't think those numbers are correct. At best, they are blurring "gross" and "net" for effect.
 
1066boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Fri, Nov 30, 2012, 10:32
PD, the X axis of the graph are the gross wages and the Y axis of the graph are the net wages.
 
1067Tree
      ID: 121032309
      Fri, Nov 30, 2012, 11:06
Obviously the antichrists have overturned the moral order.

and i think your "religious beliefs" prevent you from looking at Singer's work from a rational perspective. i disagree with a lot of what he says, but from the standpoint at which he is coming from, it makes sense.

of course, you'll mis-read that entire paragraph i just typed, and now spend years accusing me of being in favor of abortion and bestiality. but, like everything else you present, it would be narrow, ill-informed, and clouded thinking, once again being the whole of your thought process.
 
1068Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Fri, Nov 30, 2012, 11:32
boikin: That's not what the graph says--it says "wages + benefits" and "wages."

That thin diagonal line is suppose to represent the wages before taxes but it is wrong.
 
1069boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Fri, Nov 30, 2012, 14:19
I am pretty sure it is correct, PD its on 45 degree angle, so if the x axis is wages then a line would be 1:1 relation on Y axis and therefore also be wages.
 
1070Biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Fri, Nov 30, 2012, 14:58
Regardless whether the numbers are either realistic or correct, I am having trouble groking the policy argument being put forth. Are we supposed to take away a child care subsidy from this fantasy single mom so we can allow her to work more? !? Harder? Induce her to quit her teaching or nursing job and get a higher paying one at an investment bank? What exactly do we want to induce single mom to do?

This sort of contrived graphical mish mash only serves to deceive and confuse.
 
1071boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Fri, Nov 30, 2012, 15:25
You could also look at it differently and ask why is child support not given out more to smooth off the drop off. Why do the benefits seem all or nothing?
 
1072Mith
      ID: 18451815
      Fri, Nov 30, 2012, 15:43
Agreed. Assuming this graph is accurate, the problem is that the benefits aren't all applied incrementally. They should all look the "cash" category does.

It would eliminate the issue raised inside the graphic (though I don't know of many people making $29k who could just as easily make $65k).

More realistically (I guess) it would protect that single mom making $29k from losing 15% of her net income in the event that she got a 3% pay raise.
 
1073sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Fri, Nov 30, 2012, 15:50
In all things, there are cut offs. Points at which, scenarios change. 1977, I made $7 less than my roommate on the year. Every $50, was a change in the income tax tables. I was at the very tip top of my "bracket", and he was just barely above the minimum of the next one. He made $7 more than I did, and paid $10 more in taxes. It happens, and yes it is one of those things in the welfare system that NEED to be reformed.
 
1074Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Fri, Nov 30, 2012, 19:28
For many years that was one of the problems with welfare: They would deduct $1 in benefits for every new $1 made in a job or some other source. There was no incentive at all for getting off welfare.

Most states started instituting scaled benefits to incentivize work so it is better than it was be certainly it isn't completely smooth. But I think bili is exactly right that this is a false analogy, as there is no one out there getting these kind of benefits who is turning down a $69,000 job. The kinds of jobs out there are for a fraction of that.
 
1075Boldwin
      ID: 54115211
      Sat, Dec 01, 2012, 03:06
What exactly do we want to induce single mom to do? - bili

You are looking at it backwards. The question is why has every liberal action in the last 50 years managed to take away the incentive to succeed and reward failed behaviors?

Break up the family, go on welfare. Try to succeed and you get cut off at the knees.

Hell-of-a-way to run a culture. As 'helping people' goes, you've got it all backwards.

Teach a person that work is for losers, what did you expect? The opposite of the proverbial 'Give a man a fish/teach a man to fish' lesson.
 
1076biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Sat, Dec 01, 2012, 09:12
You live in a different country than I do.

Every single mom (or dad) that I know works their ass off. Maybe rural conservatives have different values than urban liberals. Dunno.
 
1077Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Sat, Dec 01, 2012, 11:55
Every single mom (or dad) that I know works their ass off.

amen.

my girlfriend is a single mom. she works her butt off, and has a pretty long commute so her daughter can go to a good public school.

the LAST thing she wants is any sort of government assistance.

there is nothing in 1075 that is based on personal experience of the poster, nor of anyone i know.
 
1078sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Sat, Dec 01, 2012, 12:10
1075, displays as non=Christian an attitude toward ones fellow human being, as can be imagined. Nor, does it have much basis in truth. As a former single parent, I can attest to the extremity of work required, just to "sort of" function on a daily basis. The individual effort expended, is almost unimaginable, and in later conversation with people NOT experienced in that task, the almost universal question is "How the hell did you manage to do it?". The universal answer back is, "I dont know. I just did what I had to do. What choice was there?"

What choice indeed. Seems some, would rather single parents and their children, just fall off the Earth and die.
 
1079Boldwin
      ID: 54115211
      Sat, Dec 01, 2012, 12:34
No, let's stop creating single parents as a culture.
 
1080sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Sat, Dec 01, 2012, 12:44
Then, you endorse wage earners being [aid sufficiently to raise and support a household on a single income, thereby removing the stress/strain of financial woes? You support, a society which in turn supports the family unit with necessary medical care, transportation options, free public education.

Welcome, to the Democratic political party.
 
1081Boldwin
      ID: 54115211
      Sat, Dec 01, 2012, 12:46
No, I am against society applauding as baby momma shakes her booty at baby daddy with no intention of hooking up longer than it takes to blow your nose.
 
1082Boldwin
      ID: 54115211
      Sat, Dec 01, 2012, 12:48
I am against killing babies as the ticket price of one more ride on the consequence-free sex machine.
 
1083Boldwin
      ID: 54115211
      Sat, Dec 01, 2012, 12:50
I am against the 'attack dads and husbands at every possible opportunity' media.
 
1084Boldwin
      ID: 54115211
      Sat, Dec 01, 2012, 12:50
I am against the marriage tax.
 
1085sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Sat, Dec 01, 2012, 12:51
1081...can anyone reading that, imagine a more stereo-typical and misguided a racist commentary?
 
1086Boldwin
      ID: 54115211
      Sat, Dec 01, 2012, 12:52
I am against the 'make fun of morality' culture that makes healthy families unlikely.
 
1087Boldwin
      ID: 54115211
      Sat, Dec 01, 2012, 12:54
#1085, as if that behavior was race specific. It certainly isn't.
 
1088Boldwin
      ID: 54115211
      Sat, Dec 01, 2012, 12:57
I believe government can NEVER make up for the losses incurred when parents aren't married.
 
1089sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Sat, Dec 01, 2012, 13:18
Marriage, is far from the panacea that you want to imagine it being.
 
1090Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Sat, Dec 01, 2012, 22:29
No, let's stop creating single parents as a culture.

talk to your heroes, most of whom have been married two or three or more times.

No, I am against society applauding as baby momma shakes her booty at baby daddy with no intention of hooking up longer than it takes to blow your nose.

impressively bigoted and mis-informed statement.

#1085, as if that behavior was race specific. It certainly isn't.

yea, it is.

I am against killing babies as the ticket price of one more ride on the consequence-free sex machine.

i would venture to guess that most, if not, all of your fellow posters here feel the same way. you don't believe folks like PD and myself when we say we're anti-abortion, but we are.

I am against the 'attack dads and husbands at every possible opportunity' media.

what nonsense are you prattling on about?

I am against the 'make fun of morality' culture that makes healthy families unlikely.

again, pure nonsense. what are you talking about?






 
1091Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Sat, Dec 01, 2012, 23:09
Wanting to re-fight the culture wars of the 60's and 70s isn't going to work.
 
1093Boldwin
      ID: 2811321220
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 09:46
Men's tights, for so long the preserve of ballet dancers and runway models, are taking Manhattan by storm and could soon be seen on the street of Britain.
I think we've got our answer on the whole, 'was Sandy a message from God?' question.
 
1094Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 10:03
For the record I have yet to notice a man wearing tights in this city.
 
1095Boldwin
      ID: 2811321220
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 10:10
I thot you were in Bristol? When we start spotting them there the culture really is lost.

Unless it's just Keith Olberman on a job search.
 
1096Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 10:12
I have no idea why you think I'm in Bristol.

 
1098C1-NRB
      ID: 451120913
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 10:31
I think blue hen works for espn.com- or did at one time, anyway.
 
1099Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 10:33
I worked at Court TV (and then truTV after the transition) until 2009.

Blue Hen (who rarely if ever posts in this forum) works for ESPN and I believe at some previous point may have been in Bristol. But I think he's been in NYC for close to 10 years.

I don't know of any other CT based gurupies.

For as long as I've posted here I've worked in Manhattan and lived in Brooklyn and Long Island.
 
1100Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 10:41
And, on the subways and on the West Side, at least, men's tights are most certainly not "taking the place by storm".
 
1101Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 11:42
I think we've got our answer on the whole, 'was Sandy a message from God?' question.

and even if men were wearing leggings, what the hell does the above comment mean?!!? that people died and lives were destroyed because men are wearing leggings?!

sick, sick man.
 
1102bibA
      ID: 54522612
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 13:04
When one often attacks another's attempts at humor, he may be taken less serious when he posts intelligent rebuttals.
 
1103Tree
      ID: 2711271312
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 13:27
When one often attacks another's attempts at humor

it's certainly not the first time Baldwin has proclaimed the end of the world (or some similar sentiment) because of something largely unimportant.

his belief system is that Armageddon is coming up on us in short order here, so it's nearly impossible to take his comments of such things in any sort of humorous vein.
 
1104Tree
      ID: 111141314
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 17:59
on meggings...


Will Welch, Senior Editor at GQ: Meggings are not a gimmick because the guys who wear meggings aren't doing it ironically—they genuinely believe it's a good look. So it's a real trend. But let's be honest: It's a rarified trend that's been adopted by only the most severe of fashion victims. Meggings are not sweeping the nation. They're not even sweeping SoHo, in New York, or other fashion capitals.
 
1105Boldwin
      ID: 411191315
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 23:15
Romantic hoax of the first order.

"Professor Jones, I presume?"
 
1106Boldwin
      ID: 3311192523
      Wed, Dec 26, 2012, 05:02
What's in a name?
 
1107Boldwin
      ID: 3311192523
      Wed, Dec 26, 2012, 05:07
Mystery solved in #1105
 
1108Boldwin
      ID: 3311192523
      Wed, Dec 26, 2012, 05:11
he may be taken less serious when he posts intelligent rebuttals

Just saw a Dr Who retrospective where Dr Who had taken Amy Pond to the end of time. Well earth's destruction anyway. No mention if one had been spotted.
 
1109Boldwin
      ID: 13025520
      Sun, Jan 06, 2013, 00:53
yesterday was the date that Marty McFly travels to in Back to the Future II ---> Jan 4 2013
 
1110sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Mon, Jan 07, 2013, 00:09
Worst Bank Robber Ever Caught While Masturbating on Sidewalk

seriously dude....lmao
 
1111Boldwin
      ID: 609622
      Mon, Jan 07, 2013, 10:55
Brazil? Nope. Antactica? Nope. Paraguay? Sorta.



Iron Sky, so bad it's good. On Netflix.
 
1112Boldwin
      ID: 609622
      Mon, Jan 07, 2013, 11:04
Just too funny.
 
1113Boldwin
      ID: 17051818
      Tue, Jan 08, 2013, 19:57
Elizabeth Wurtzel Confronts Her One-Night Stand of a Life

[Losing faith in fellow man - the price of an uncompromising life - B]

Better yet, read the whole very long thing.
I would have been happy if the previous tenant, from whom I was subletting, had not turned into a stalker. From time to time, and I never knew when, she would buzz and bang on the door and finally barge in, using a spare key she kept, and yell epithets at me for twenty minutes at a time, for no apparent reason. I have boyfriends who have caught me in very compromised situations, and none has ever called me “a disgusting little whore,” which is the kind of thing this woman would scream in a variety of less appetizing ways, on and on. When I explained, calmly, because I have been told that is the best way to deal with a hysteric, that trespassing is against the law and she needed to leave, she would just harrumph, “You and your law!”

My friend Olivia had her own bad scene with the same woman a few years prior and had taken to calling her Hooker Maria—the best explanation she could come up with for her multilevel closets of Marc Jacobs dresses and Gucci shoes was an upscale outcall business. Olivia’s husband likes to keep things simple, so he would call her Crazy Hooker Maria. Olivia figured that Hooker Maria’s rage could be explained by her age: recently 50, and out of work.

I did not know what to do. I would call 911, but the police are not equipped to manage crazy women and could not understand why someone who was neither a rejected lover nor a cast-out roommate was behaving this way. They always sent pairs of very fat female cops. As soon as I opened the door, I knew it was hopeless.

“You remember the movie Single White Female?” I would try. They did not. They would ask if I wanted to file a complaint. I would look at the forms in white, pink, and yellow triplicate, all very 1986. I wondered if they were forgotten in an aluminum filing cabinet in the 6th Precinct or if they were folded into paper airplanes and flown into garbage bins with empty Styrofoam coffee cups and more of the same.

The final episode came in early April. After I changed the lock, Maria showed the police the lease and claimed I was keeping her out of her apartment; they let her in without investigating. They told me that if I kept her out again, they would arrest me and ordered me to give her the keys. “I am doing this because I hate you,” Maria said, after the cops had left. “I am going to slash up your face and ruin your life.”

In every movie about female sociopaths, the second-to-last scene involves law enforcement victimizing the victim; the end is murder or miraculous rescue. Not knowing which was likely, I grabbed my coat and my dog and ran outside to a nearby park and sat on a bench. It was so cold. It was that time of day, a couple of hours before dark, when the sun casts brilliant shadows, and the slabs of wood made stripes on the ground in front of me, which I stared at and cried.

It had all gone wrong. At long last, I had found myself vulnerable to the worst of New York City, because at 44 my life was not so different from the way it was at 24. Stubbornly and proudly, emphatically and pathetically, I had refused to grow up, and so I was becoming one of those people who refuses to grow up—one of the city’s Lost Boys.
---
But because of choices I have made, wisely and idiotically, because I had principles or because I was crazy, I have no assets and no family. I have had the same friends since college, although as time has gone on, the daily nature of those relationships has changed, such that it is not daily at all. But then how many lost connections make up a life? There is my best friend from law school, too busy with her toddler; the people with whom I spent New Year’s in a Negril bungalow not so long ago, all lost to me now; every man who was the love of my life, just for today; roommates, officemates, classmates: For everyone who is near, there are others who are far gone.

Please understand: I live specifically, with intent. The intent is, I know now, not at all specific, except that I have no ability to compromise. Most people say that as a statement of principle, but in my case, it is about feeling trapped when I am doing something I don’t like, and it is probably more childish than anything else. I likely do the right things for the wrong reasons. But it has also meant that I have not disciplined myself into the kinds of commitments that make life beyond the wild of youth into a haven of calm. I am proud that I have never so much as kissed a man for any reason besides absolute desire, and I am more pleased that I only write what I feel like and it has been lucrative since I got out of college in 1989. I had the great and unexpected success of Prozac Nation in 1994, and that bought me freedom. And I have spent that freedom carelessly, and with great gratitude. Why would I do anything else? I did not expect, not ever, to be scared to death.

I was born with a mind that is compromised by preternatural unhappiness, and I might have died very young or done very little. Instead, I made a career out of my emotions. And now I am just quarreling with normal. I believe in true love and artistic integrity—the kinds of things that should be mentioned between quotation marks—as absolutely now as I did in ninth grade. But even I know that functional love includes a fair amount of falsity, or no one would get through morning coffee, and integrity is mostly a heroic excuse to avoid the negotiating table. But I can’t let go. I live in the chaos of adolescence, even wearing the same pair of 501s. As time goes by.
---
That would not have been so strange except that I was the only woman and, with John Ashbery, the only person on the list still alive. It occurred to me that it had been so long since I last published a book—not since 2001—that maybe they thought I was dead. But there it was, me with T. S. Eliot, e. e. cummings, William S. Burroughs, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Norman Mailer, John Updike, George Plimpton, David Halberstam, and Henry David Thoreau. It was a shockingly distinguished group to find myself lingering with. I had certainly moved up in the world by doing nothing. And maybe all it meant was that somebody in a communications office at the university had suicidal tendencies that she got through by reading my books. But I was moved nonetheless.
---
It had never occurred to me before that any of the choices I made, which I prized, I guess because at least they were mine, were crazy or risky; but I was becoming convinced.
---
I know that people who do these things are happy because happiness is the untruths we tell each other and ourselves or it would be unbearable. But I would rather not. I would rather be sad, and sometimes lonely, but at least not suffering the silly.

Or is that my untruth?
---
These days, if I sneeze, it’s a reason to give up on the day, but when I was a teenager, I became willful when anyone said I couldn’t do something.
---
If great talent did not require infrastructure to nurture it, Norman Mailer and Martin Scorsese would as likely exist in Papua New Guinea or, for that matter, Norway. But the arts have thrived, and great work has supported itself without the benefit of government subsidy, because this country was founded with an intellectual-property system and a free press that understood that creativity and capitalism are happy partners. All of that has broken down, between piracy and technology, and I do not expect that a satisfactory model will be invented that allows these choices to work. Forget serious journalism. Publicly funded universities are the next frontier of unnatural disaster.
---
Maybe I should have been wiser. But the only way I could have was to have been a completely different person, along the way probably becoming a different writer, most likely a lousy one. I am fortunate to have been well paid for an almost pathological honesty, and the only way I am able to write that way is by being that way. It has been worth it—of course it has been—because there is a higher price attached to rare attributes than common ones. But there is a lot of good, workmanlike journalism that I could have, should have, and would have done if anyone ever thought of me. I established myself as someone much too precious. And, honest, I don’t pretend to like people I don’t and I can’t pretend to respect people who don’t deserve it. Still, my financial life might look about the same no matter what, because I chose to write about an uncompromised life in New York City in these times, and the only way to be that person is to never have it all work out.
---
Even when you are picking out a dog, it has to be true love and not a list of pluses and minuses or a bunch of desirable traits you would describe on OkCupid. There is no substitute for magic. I have only ever known love at first sight, and I know it when I see it.

I am Potter Stewart wandering through an overwhelming emotional life that only makes sense on contact. It’s all pornography to me, all of life is so visually rich and it all hits me absolutely like flat sheets of hard rain so that the only feeling I trust is the one that comes down in a devastating way. When I meet people who tell me that they are immune to the power of beauty or that they don’t get overwhelmed by plain old lust, I don’t think they are lucky; I think they are missing all the fun. And all the pain, of course.

I’m like everybody else: I think about spending the rest of my life with every person I fall in love with, and I cry longer and harder and more than I should when it all goes wrong. I have spent an amazing amount of my life in tears. I have thought my heart was broke and done. But there was always the next one and the next one. Or I went to law school. Or I did something else. I am just not serious. Okay? There you have it. All the things that ­other people are willing to do that make them adjustable like appliances: I can’t.
---
I can only love with a pure heart and hope for the best.

For a while after the miserable night of moving out of Bleecker Street, any time anyone got close to me, my body stiffened. I had strange sensations all the time—I could be waiting for the light to change at 14th Street, and I would wonder if someone was going to run up to me and start screaming, even when it was bright and sunny outside. I would lie in bed late at night in the pitch black and wonder if a killer were going to sneak in through the back door. If the buzzer rang unexpectedly, I would duck behind my couch. I decided to have any UPS or FedEx packages sent to my office. I never wanted anyone to get near me again. I thought love and pleasure were over for me, forever.

But life is kinder than that. It just is.

And in the spring someone young, with a handsome aristocratic way about him, came along and made me smile when I really needed it. It could have been a one-night stand, and for a while it felt like a one-night stand that wouldn’t stop. But then somehow something else happened.
---
Still, I wonder if I ever will be okay after this last year. I don’t live anywhere, have not had a home for too long, and the physical estrangement is psychically debilitating. I used to be a happy person who had a lot of fun—even depression did not keep me from being a happy person who had a lot of fun. But having someone you have asked to stay away show up unannounced and yell hateful words is profoundly damaging. I feel sick. There is a gap between me and everyone, like a perforated box of polluted air is separating me from people: The space from me to anyone who might understand how lousy I feel seems vast. I am harsh and defeated, and I never thought I would describe myself in either way. The list of things I can’t be bothered with goes on forever. The list of things that bother me goes on forever.

I have lost my life. I had a lot of friends, saw people, had full days. I don’t know where anyone is anymore, and I can’t even remember who it is that is gone. I am not sure exactly how that happened: I was hiding, although it was not safe in the place where I was hiding, and life became impossible to explain, and too strange to explain, and finally I stopped talking to anyone.
---
I am a free spirit. I do not know any other way to be. No one else seems to live as I do. In a world gone wrong, a pure heart is dangerous.

I have always made choices without considering the consequences, because I know all I get is now. Maybe I get later, too, but I will deal with that later. I choose pleasure over what is practical. I may be the only person who ever went to law school on a lark. And I wonder what I was thinking about with all those other larks, my beautiful larks, larks flying away.
Glorious writing. Elizabeth Wurtzel.
 
1114Boldwin
      ID: 280241211
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 12:25
Just when you think she can't get any hotter. Mila Kunis



Gamer Gurl
 
1115sarge33rd
      ID: 4609710
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 12:58
yep. she was a clear cut winner in the genetic lottery.
 
1116Tree
      ID: 5031212
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 13:03
while i always find these kinds of posts from you quite creepy, i'm not sure why old folks like you think "hot girls" and "nerdy girls" are mutually exclusive.

women like Kunis, Zoe Saldana, Natalie Portman, Kate Beckinsale, Asia Carrera, and Veda Scott are perfect examples.

not too mention my girlfriend. mom, nerd, roller derby girl, and super hot.
 
1117Boldwin
      ID: 260151219
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 20:15
What are the odds?

The father of the Aurora Colorado shooter and the father of the CT shooter were/are scheduled to testify before the USA senate in the LIBOR scandal which is one of the biggest scandals ever.
 
1118Mith
      ID: 1311443016
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 20:24
What are the odds?

Less than Boldwin once again exhibiting his lazy intellect.
 
1119Boldwin
      ID: 260151219
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 20:59
We'll see how it boils down:
His father, Robert Holmes, helped develop an anti-fraud algorithm which played an important role in the discovery of the $21 trillion dollars previously hidden by the banking elite. He is also believed to be the whistle-blower who alerted the world to the LIBOR scandal, wherein the banking elite counterfeit or stole trillions of dollars from the public. Some in the intelligence community forums and tinfoil-hat oriented forums are saying that he was supposed to testify in the Senate on the matter, but I can’t find a good source for that.

Since 2002, Robert Holmes has worked at FICO. FICO is responsible for issuing the credit score that actually matters - the FICO score. The one you don’t see on your yearly free credit reports; the one you need to pay to see and the ones the banks use to determine loan rates.

His job there is to develop neural-net predictive analytics software designed to synthesize intelligence drawn from billions of credit-card transactions. This software is used by 17 of the top 20 credit companies.

He is a leader in financial software creation for banks, which by definition would involve the implementation of LIBOR data, so it really is not a big leap to give the Senate testimony claim some consideration.
---
The senior Holmes has a PhD in statistics from Cal-Berkeley, a Master's in biostatistics from UCLA, and a bachelor's in mathematics from Stanford. Over the last ten years, he has developed predictive models for financial services, and credit and fraud risk models. He is one of several scientists who patented a predictive model system used to detect telecommunications fraud - Democratic underground forum commenter
I read somewhere that he's the adoptive father.

I don't know how much of this is rumor morphing as it gets repeated. But we do know one thing. They can't say it if it isn't true. I heard that on the internet.
 
1120sarge33rd
      ID: 4609710
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 21:04
a quote from a commenter at a blog, an "I read somewhere..." statement and THOSE are your FACTS Boldwin??? REALLY??? Get a fkn clue dude.
 
1121Boldwin
      ID: 260151219
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 21:33
Dude, it's a WTF thread, not the confirmed beyond any doubt and you can stake your life on it, thread.

The Colorado shooter's dad clearly had the sort of career that could have him testifying about LIBOR. The man designed a program that detects fraud patterns.

I'm looking into the other father, but he's a VP and financial officer at GE Capital, founded by JP Morgan, which is involved with LIBOR.
JPMorgan, UBS Said Among Banks Queried in Libor Probe JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM) and Barclays Plc (BARC) are among seven banks subpoenaed in New York and Connecticut’s investigation into alleged manipulation of Libor, according to a person familiar with the matter and company filings.

I really couldn't care less if you sneer. It's interesting and intriguing and I intend to keep an eye on it. Feel free to ignore me Sarge, as you promise to now and then, but no joy.
 
1122Mith
      ID: 1311443016
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 21:36
Boldwin doesn't deserve even a tiny fraction of the attention he gets here.

He is a leader in financial software creation for banks, which by definition would involve the implementation of LIBOR data, so it really is not a big leap to give the Senate testimony claim some consideration.

Senate Banking Committee Aide quoted in the article linked in #1118:
“The Senate Banking Committee does not have any LIBOR hearings currently scheduled, and has never considered either of these men as potential witnesses.”


Senate Banking Committee 2012 Hearing Schedule
No LIBOR hearing.

Gullible and lazy.
 
1123sarge33rd
      ID: 4609710
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 21:48
The Jack Reacher series of books are interesting and intriguing too. So?
 
1124Boldwin
      ID: 260151219
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 22:14
Can you not read, MITH?

The people who employ the CT shooter's father as a Vice President and financial officer are [and I quote] subpoenaed in New York and Connecticut’s investigation into alleged manipulation of Libor.

See quote in #1121, which is taken from http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-15/jpmorgan-barclays-said-among-banks-to-get-libor-subpoenas.html

Seriously, you think because the rumor had the exact committee name wrong, it isn't just as juicy? Just as far freaking out there unlikely a coincidence?
 
1125Boldwin
      ID: 260151219
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 22:18
I don't spose the media will want to talk about his LIBOR testimony anymore than they want to talk about Benghazi as anything but a Patraeus sex scandal. Diversion from the scandal. Convenient.
 
1126Mith
      ID: 1311443016
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 22:31
Boldwin: The father of the Aurora Colorado shooter and the father of the CT shooter were/are scheduled to testify before the USA senate in the LIBOR scandal which is one of the biggest scandals ever.

Bloomberg: The parent corporation of the company that one of the fathers works for is one of seven banks subpoenaed by the states of NY and CT in their LIBOR investigation.

The latest knee slapper is that the only discrepancy between those two statements is the exact committee name.



Dishonest, gullible and lazy.
 
1127Boldwin
      ID: 260151219
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 22:37
Enjoy your oblivious.
 
1128Mith
      ID: 1311443016
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 22:47
Prideful, dishonest, gullible and lazy.
 
1129Boldwin
      ID: 260151219
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 22:57
I could compose a very entertaining list of the picayune excuses to dismiss thinking that have been used to ignore the obvious and the interesting.

Wrong committee, spelling error, quoted paragraphs out of order, source to the right of Mother Jones, squirrel! Etc., etc.
 
1130Mith
      ID: 1311443016
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 23:09
You left out the picayune excuse that neither of the two men you said were scheduled to testify at a hearing that never existed was ever scheduled to testify at any hearing on the subject, real or imagined.



What are the odds!
 
1131Boldwin
      ID: 260151219
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 23:13
That they are both in a very reasonable position to do so, that fact alone is a stunning coincidence. They are connected to LIBOR, [a scandal almost impossible to underestimate], no matter how you squirm.
 
1132sarge33rd
      ID: 4609710
      Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 23:21
How the fk is a FICO connected to LIBOR? FICO, is a credit scoring system employed by the 3 US Credit Agencies. It is not an "entity" that loans, holds deposits, or is in ANY WAY, involved with the over night bank lending rate,

LIBOR

good gawd Boldwin..stop with the BS lies already.
 
1133Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 01:27
the last 15 posts have been among my favorite since the history of the board. Despite proof that his latest random string of events means nothing, he stands strong in his conviction that by god, i absolutely must be right, because i am never wrong!




 
1134Boldwin
      ID: 10042139
      Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 10:59
Sarge

How the fk is a FICO connected to LIBOR?

Wrong question. The right question is what could a world leading, pioneering expert in detecting and proving patterns of fraud add to a LIBOR investigation? He's an expert in computer models to do just that.
 
1135sarge33rd
      ID: 4609710
      Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 11:55
FICO does not detect patterns of fraud. It establishes a statistical representation of the likelihood of ones honoring a log term financial commitment.
 
1136Boldwin
      ID: 540231311
      Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 12:44
As already posted...

He is one of several scientists who patented a predictive model system used to detect telecommunications fraud.
 
1137sarge33rd
      ID: 4609710
      Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 13:03
THAT, does not tie FICO to LIBOR.

Caroll Shelby created the Shelby GT Mustang and worked at Ford. That doesnt tie him to an Econoline.
 
1138Boldwin
      ID: 540231311
      Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 13:06
We are talking about the likelihood he would have a useful role in a LIBOR hearing.

You can wave the FICO flag around all you want. You can't take away from the fact he would make a prime witness.
 
1139sarge33rd
      ID: 4609710
      Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 13:12
Yes, he breathes and is a human capable of testifying. Beyond that, do you HAVE a point?
 
1141Mith
      ID: 1311443016
      Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 13:58
We are talking about the likelihood he would have a useful role in a LIBOR hearing.

Which means EXACTLY THE SAME THING as being one of two people who both have sons who committed a shooting massacre and are also subpoenaed to testify before the same Senate Banking Committee hearing.



Now if it turns out they're both left handed I'm going to need a lot more tin foil around here.
 
1142Boldwin
      ID: 80221316
      Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 17:57
MITH

Are you a potential LIBOR hearing witness? That list is kinda short.
 
1143Mith
      ID: 1311443016
      Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 18:45
Lets first establish that your standard for uncanny coincidence in this case is that both men are what we began calling "potential witnesses" when the slightest bit of research revealed that the hearing to which they were subpoenaed is actually a fabrication of some person's imagination.

And the standard for "potential witness"? That one of the men is a finance exec for GE Capital, which is based in CT.

GE Capital is not one of the 7 firms subpoenaed by the state in the LIBOR scandal, though. GE Capital happens to have been founded by JP Morgan.

Now, when I read that I made an error in judgement that I should have known better than to commit. That error was affording Boldwin the benefit of doubt that what he meant was that GE Capital was a firm that was owned by the corporate conglomerate JP Morgan Chase. Because JP Morgan Chase is one of the 7 firms subpoenaed by the state in their LIBOR investigation.

But upon further review, I see that GE Capital is actually under the corporate umbrella of major conglomerate General Electric.

General Electric, while not associated with JP Morgan Chase, was in fact founded - 120 years ago - by Mister John Pierpont Morgan, the prominent American financier of the late 19th and early 20th century.

So I'll forego the point I was going to make about the quarter million employees at JP Morgan Chase and it being one of 7 such firms and the number of people in CT who likely work for the many numerous companies under all those corporate umbrellas.

And I'll forego the new point I could make about further lowering the standard for "potential witness" to something about anyone who works for any company that was ever associated with any of those 7 major corporate conglomerates.

And instead I'll just reiterate the earlier point made about gullibility and intellectual laziness.
 
1144Mith
      ID: 1311443016
      Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 18:54
Looks like a bunch a shysters were able to exploit a national tragedy with 20 dead kids to drive an awful lot of page views to their wordpress blogs thanks to thousands of suckers like Boldy over the past month.

Capitalism is awesome.
 
1145DWetzel
      ID: 5411161018
      Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 18:59
I think you both overestimate the number of suckers and underestimate Boldy's ability to click on that stuff overandoverandoverandoverandover.
 
1146Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 19:05
Boldwin doesn't even see the holes in his arguments. Sad, at this point.
 
1147Mith
      ID: 1311443016
      Sun, Jan 13, 2013, 19:16
To answer the question in 1142, depending on the number of degrees of separation allowed, I think might actually be a "potential witness" several times over.

I've been directly employed by two major corporations. And the histories of all these big conglomerates are like 4 generations of West Virginians criss-crossing about the family tree if you get my drift.
 
1148Boldwin
      ID: 80221316
      Mon, Jan 14, 2013, 02:46
MITH

The lengths you will go to. GE Capital is a major player in finance. The CT shooter's dad is THE guy in GE Capital who would be the logical guy to testify for that company as to the impact of LIBOR rigging on their business. That business was being investigated as part of the LIBOR scandal. Your objection is that John Pierpont "J. P." Morgan wasn't personally involved?
 
1149Mith
      ID: 1311443016
      Mon, Jan 14, 2013, 07:44
The lengths you will go to.

Hahaha

THE guy in GE Capital who would be the logical guy to testify for that company as to the impact of LIBOR rigging on their business

Actually no. The LIBOR scandal involved firms fixing loan interest rates.

While I have been lazily calling the CT shooter's father a finance exec, he is actually the tax director. LIBOR is not a tax scandal.

So while it is conceivable that the VP of a department in charge of taxes at a company connected to LIBOR might under some set of circumstances be privvy to or otherwise come across information that would make his testimony valuable in an imaginary Senate Banking Committee hearing, exactly the same could be said of any number of execs in other departments, much less any number of operators, techs, software developers, contractors and others. OK maybe not the schlep who might sell them medical equipment, but sure, anyone above that.

But as I've already said, THIS IS MOOT. Since contrary to your claim that GE Capital was being investigated, it is in reality no part of the LIBOR scandal.

The 7 banks involved are: Deutsche Bank, Royal Bank of Scotland, HSBC Holdings, JPMorgan (the firm, not the financier who died 100 years ago) Barclays, Citigroup and UBS. None of them owns GE Capital.

The closest you can get are the fact that JP Morgan (the man - not firm involved in the LIBOR Scandal) founded General Electric 121 years ago. But that doesn't make General Electric, much less GE Capital, a part of JP Morgan Chase & Co. today.

Now, three GE Capital execs Dominick Carollo, Steven Goldberg and Peter Grimm (actual financial services execs - unlike Peter Lanza) did face trail in 2012 for what appears to be similar dealings. However they were no part of the greater LIBOR Scandal and as noted that company has not been associated with the scandal in any way.



So to recap:
the father of the CT shooter were/are scheduled to testify before the USA senate in the LIBOR scandal
WRONG - Peter Lanza was not scheduled to testify before any such hearing and WRONG - There was no upcoming Senate hearing on LIBOR.

The people who employ the CT shooter's father as a Vice President and financial officer are [and I quote] subpoenaed in New York and Connecticut’s investigation into alleged manipulation of Libor.
WRONG - Peter Lanza is not a "financial officer" and WRONG - Lanza's employer was not subpoenaed in New York and Connecticut’s LIBOR investigation.

The CT shooter's dad is THE guy in GE Capital who would be the logical guy to testify for that company as to the impact of LIBOR rigging on their business.
WRONG - Peter Lanza ran a tax department of indeterminate size. THE guy (if we are talking about the most entangled position possible) would be in a finance department that deals specifically with interest rates.

That business was being investigated as part of the LIBOR scandal.
WRONG - GE Capital was/is not being investigated as part of the LIBOR scandal.

Your objection is that John Pierpont "J. P." Morgan wasn't personally involved
WRONG - My objection is that I am not a gullible, intellectually lazy fool.

The lengths you will go to.
Tell me about it. But much more impressive is your refusal to do even the slightest shred of work.

 
1151Boldwin
      ID: 270551422
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 00:14
Every big lender is effected by LIBOR.

GE Capital is a big lender.
 
1152sarge33rd
      ID: 4609710
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 00:51
Affected by, and participated in; are not mutual necessities. GE Capital, in no way influenced or participated in the LIBOR scandal. Ergo, they would have nothing to say, re a LIBOR investigation UNLESS, it was to file a claim and defend the extent of the claim. That, almost any competent high level accountant could do.

Let me um it up for you B, in 3 words......


YOU
GOT
NUTHIN
 
1153Boldwin
      ID: 270551422
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 01:17
It's just one of those things that make you go, Hmmm.

Like the time the reporter announced Building 7 had collapsed while it was standing right behind them.

Like after Waco when FLIR experts were saying the Feds had turned the Waco firestorm into a shooting gallery...and then 4 FLIR experts were murdered and the rest all clammed up.

Like the time @38 witnesses to the Kennedy assassination were killed right afterwards.

Like the time anthrax was getting released and dozens of microbiologists were killed.

Like that time when Reagan's would-be assassin just happened to be the son of George Bush's good buddy.

You can stick your head back in the sand and I will never ever ever forget these things. I'm watching.

As far as this coincidence with LIBOR, it should be noted that the power elite and other organized criminal organizations often make extravagant demands on their members to cement their loyalty to the program. In for a penny, in for a pound.

Happens high, happens low. In Chicago a gang recruit will, be driven around and told to shoot a random innocent person. Carribean drug gangs have their new members participate in the murder of a young man, happens up and down the Mississippi. The Power Elite are very very fond of abortion and other forms of child sacrifice.
 
1154Mith
      ID: 1311443016
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 06:38
Every big lender is effected by LIBOR.

GE Capital is a big lender.



The latest revamped standard for exploiting 20 dead little children for the purpose of feeding a fantasy conspiracy theory.

One guy was incidentally connected to the LIBOR scandal and the other worked in the banking industry.

At this point isn't the coincidence really just that one worked for a lender and the other worked for a credit rating agency?

I know, not sexy enough to roll in the hook of dead children.
 
1155Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 08:51
You can stick your head back in the sand and I You can stick your head back in the sand and I will never ever ever forget these things. I'm watching.

As far as this coincidence with LIBOR, it should be noted that the power elite and other organized criminal organizations often make extravagant demands on their members to cement their loyalty to the program. In for a penny, in for a pound.


Let's say, even lacking any supporting evidence, that the fathers of Lanza and Holmes were/are scheduled to testify before the USA senate in the LIBOR scandal which is one of the biggest scandals ever.

I'm having a hard time understanding how this coincidence relates to the murders, how it shows the power elite making extravagent demands to cement their loyalty to the program.

What?

What is the motivation of the power elite, whoever that is? If they were intent on on making extravagant demands on these fathers to cement their loyalty(which, I guess, translates into affecting whatever testimoney they would provide to a Senate committee), how would somehow making their sons committ mass murder in any way contribute to this goal?

Is the power elite sending a message to any potential witnesses that if they intend to testify before this committee, we'll have your sons committ mass murder? Is the power elite really so careless as to resort to such high profile tactics, guaranteed to bring mass publicity to a scandal that virtually no one outside of the financial community has any awareness?

I'm having a hard time keeping up with what's supposed to scare me the most. Now we've got

>the power elite perpetrating mass murder by sons of potential witnesses in senate investigations

in addition to

>global Islamic caliphate

>EU failure

>Marxist US president bent on destroying America

>FEMA concentration camps

>Euthanasia of the perfectly healthy

>Public education destroying America

>Agenda 21

Of course this is just a short list, but, fortunately, I'm watching.

I just need to prioritize the list so I know what to be most fearful of at any particular time.
 
1156Boldwin
      ID: 11020158
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 10:15
You are walking down the stairs. There are tacks scattered, ice, an upside-down rake ahead.

Don't prioritize, avoid them all.
 
1157Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 11:04
So, there is no coherent thought process behind this the power elite and other organized criminal organizations often make extravagant demands on their members to cement their loyalty to the program as it relates to the Aurora and Newtown shootings, the shooters' fathers and the the LIBOR scandal.

It's really quite amazing this internet conspiracy was ever brought to this forum in the first place, given that there isn't one shred of logic in the premise.
 
1158Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 11:30
Haha - Pancho Villa you have read previous Boldwin posts, yes?
 
1159Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 12:25
A story about the real-life impact that the Newtown Truther rumors are having on a real-life person who's life was forever changed by the tragedy
 
1160sarge33rd
      ID: 4609710
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 12:29
had just read that myself. Disgusting, what the fringe (predominantly rightwing) is doing to this nation.

The US is potentially facing a very real crisis regarding its very existence. And it is the rightwingnuts, causing, leading and fueling that very crisis. Their numbers, have grown insanely large.
 
1161Tree
      ID: 100241510
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 12:29
i honestly can't imagine what it's like to be Baldwin. scared of everything, everything is a conspiracy, his own shadow conspires to strike feat in his heart.

it has got to be such a miserable way to live.
 
1162Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 12:32
the fringe (predominantly rightwing)

I think Newtown Trutherism is conspiracy theory of a more libertarian bent but there's a lot of overlap, obviously.
 
1163Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 13:48
At least those who think Newtown was a false flag operation designed to ban guns propose a motive, twisted and perverse as it is.

This whole thing about the shooters' fathers, the LIBOR scandal and "potential" Senate testimony has no basis, at least that's been shown, in anything beyond cosmic musing.

That hasn't stopped Boldwin from posting

I don't spose the media will want to talk about his LIBOR testimony anymore than they want to talk about Benghazi as anything but a Patraeus sex scandal. Diversion from the scandal. Convenient.

Enjoy your oblivious.

That they are both in a very reasonable position to do so, that fact alone is a stunning coincidence. They are connected to LIBOR, [a scandal almost impossible to underestimate], no matter how you squirm.
etc.

Then it turns out, according to the one who is not oblivious, we have to understand the workings of the "power elite," a group whose membership and inner workings only Boldwin has insight and knowledge of, thanks to diligent and objective research.

Which, of course, is bullshit. The power elite, by itself, is a meaningless term. In this context, though, I suppose it's meant to mean the bankers involved in the LIBOR scandal, the most elite being the CEOs and boards of directors. Or, The Rothschilds!!!(cue evil music)

So, some banking elites are sitting around fretting about an upcoming Senate investigation, when, let's say Jamie Dimon, president and CEO of JP Morgan Chase, offers up this solution:

"What say we stage a couple mass murders by sons of a couple potential witnesses, you know, as a diversion!"

To which George Soros(had to get him in there) replies:

"Well, it's a lot more complicated than our normal procedure of bribing Senate committee members with campaign donations, but since it involves the murder of lots of innocent people, including small children, and I'm the personification of evil, let's roll with it!"

Am I getting warm yet?



 
1164Boldwin
      ID: 11020158
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 13:48
My one in ten response to Tree.

i honestly can't imagine what it's like to be Baldwin. scared of everything

I'll be OK. I've got forever.

Don't worry about the fireman. Worry about all the people in the burning building who refuse to hear the alarm.
 
1165Boldwin
      ID: 11020158
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 14:06
PV

When the puppets get caught with their hand in the cookie jar, take for example the congressional mailing scandal, or congressmen taking real estate bribes from Countrywide, they usually just hunker down and wait for the firestorm to blow over and take their chances that approach works.

When the really powerful people get caught with their hands in the cookie jar, their solution is:

1) Count on their near total control of the MSM.

2) If #1 looks iffy, to slaughter as many cattle as it takes, cause they aren't gonna take any chances.

I don't say my list in #1153 are all homeruns nor am I sure these LIBOR connections are locks, two isn't a very long trail of breadcrumbs, but I am sure most of them are correct and I'm certainly not saying they aren't all dead on accurate.
 
1166Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 14:13
This guy has been receiving death threats courtesy of the Newtown Truthers.
 
1167Tree
      ID: 210391513
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 14:39
I'll be OK. I've got forever.

Don't worry about the fireman.


interesting analogy, because if you honestly believe in heaven and hell, there's gonna be some fire, man, where you're going. bring sunscreen.

no god i am aware of is terribly fond of those who praise murderers.
 
1168Boldwin
      ID: 70101517
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 18:15
Let's take a look at the oaths you've taken and we'll see about that.
 
1169Tree
      ID: 210391513
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 18:25
no idea what you're referring to in regards to oaths, but it's likely more of your avoidance nonsense.

that being said, i'm still fairly certain that if there is a heaven, it doesn't have room for people who praise criminals as heroes, be they burglars, eavesdroppers, or cop killers.

and those ARE the people you hold up as heroes.
 
1170Boldwin
      ID: 70101517
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 19:53
Set up a booth at the next "Free Mumia" rally or in front of Bill Ayer's house. They, unlike me, need you.
 
1171Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Tue, Jan 15, 2013, 20:12
again, you're the one praising a cop killer. unabashed, unashamed, and unconcerned.

you can try to act like you didn't, but the proof is on this board.
 
1172Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Mon, Jan 21, 2013, 21:18
PV, is this near you?: Boulder smashes into bedroom in St. George
 
1173Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Mon, Jan 21, 2013, 21:36
No, that's at the southwest border Arizona/Nevada. I will be there next weekend playing in a golf tournament though.
 
1174sarge33rd
      ID: 4609710
      Thu, Jan 24, 2013, 15:40
The very pinnacle of hypocrisy...Catholic Hospital Conveniently Claims Fetuses Aren’t People in Malpractice Lawsuit
 
1175Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Thu, Jan 24, 2013, 17:26
That's not true, and the headline is both false and misleading.

The lawyers for the hospital are directing the judge to base a finding on what the law actually says rather than what their clients would want to law to be.

 
1176Boldwin
      ID: 310182420
      Thu, Jan 24, 2013, 21:19
In Sarge's world you don't get to take advantage of the law if you don't believe in it. In his view I don't get social security or medicare if I ever use it, even after it has bankrupted me bankrolling it.

By that logic the apostles did not have a right to appeal to the benefits of Roman citizenship to prevent the Jewish mobs from tearing them to pieces.
 
1177Frick
      ID: 2193319
      Fri, Jan 25, 2013, 08:18
Sarge, do article like the one that you linked make you think that the mass media not have a left leaning slant generally?

PD's post summed up the issue nicely. But, the headline sounds much better and inflames people, so who cares about the actual truth. That doesn't sell pageviews. You can blast Fox, WND all you want, but don't be a hypcrit yourself and fall for the same crap.
 
1178sarge33rd
      ID: 4609710
      Fri, Jan 25, 2013, 08:20
Actually Frick, in my admittedly limited experience with civil law, few lawyers argue a point their client tells them not to.

The Church here, wants to have its cake and eat it both.
 
1179Frick
      ID: 2193319
      Fri, Jan 25, 2013, 08:39
Well, the case is certainly ironic. If the hospital loses, abortion right activists will lose a huge battle, as a fetus would have legal standing as a person, and murder charges could be brought against anyone performing an abortion.

 
1180sarge33rd
      ID: 4609710
      Fri, Jan 25, 2013, 08:44
The whole malpractice (in my laymans point of view), doesnt even hinge on whether or not the fetus are "people". But that the Dr on call didnt answer his pages AND, when it was apparent they were losing the mother, why in the 3rd trimester, did they not c-section deliver the fetus'?

That is IMHO medical negligence, ie malpractice.

Legally, the brilliance of the hospitals argument, is as a commentor said...if they lose this case, then the state has declared a fetus to be a person, with rights like any other. If they win this case, they save millions of dollars. Win-win from that standpoint.
 
1181Frick
      ID: 2193319
      Fri, Jan 25, 2013, 08:49
That is exactly right, so because they stand to gain from either outcome, they should be barred from making it? I would argue that the Church, not the Hospital, would rather lose the case.

The medical negligence is the issue and I think the doctor is most likely going to lose, but the father is the one who made the issue moot since he is also asking for the fetuses to be considered persons, so he can collect additional damages.

 
1182sarge33rd
      ID: 4609710
      Fri, Jan 25, 2013, 08:57
No, I am not saying that "because" they stand t gain, they should be prohibited from making the argument. I am not saying they should be prohibited from making the argument. I AM saying, it is disingenuous of them TO make the argument.
 
1183Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Fri, Jan 25, 2013, 12:39
Asking that they be treated equal under the law isn't disingenuous. It is the law. People (or organizations) shouldn't lose the benefit of a law they want to change until the law is, in fact, changed.

Yeah, it is odd that an organization wants to benefit from a law it would do away with. But that's the nature of the law. We (and the courts) don't pick and choose which ones to be subject to.
 
1184sarge33rd
      ID: 4609710
      Sat, Jan 26, 2013, 17:34
CNN just covered this story. The gentleman lost in lower court, and then the Catholic Hospital filed suit for 118k, to recover legal costs. This action has since bankrupted him, and his wagers are garnished.

Real charity at work there.
 
1185Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Mon, Jan 28, 2013, 14:12
W.T.F.?
 
1186Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Mon, Jan 28, 2013, 14:30
total WTF, and totally disgusting.

sometimes, i think my people forget where we came from. just awful practice there.
 
1187Boldwin
      ID: 50159118
      Fri, Feb 01, 2013, 20:23
And they say chivalry is dead!
 
1188Boldwin
      ID: 8154410
      Mon, Feb 04, 2013, 11:54
These is a cheap drug being used by addicts in Russia called Krokodil which apparently is actually a sequence of drugs people take. It's cheap, cheap cheap but it's still not worth the price.

Addicts are turning up with major portions of flesh rotted away. Makes flesh eating bacteria look tame by comparison. No point in showing you the youtubes. Just horrific. Don't look. And don't take.
 
1190Tree
      ID: 4411413
      Mon, Feb 04, 2013, 14:01
it's basically homemade Desomorphine, which was invented about 75 years ago.

it's not a sequence of drugs, but rather home cooking of things somewhat readily available in a country (Russia) where Heroin is not.

here's a bit more about the process, and the side effects, without the gross out photos.
 
1191Boldwin
      ID: 8154410
      Mon, Feb 04, 2013, 21:38
Trust police?
 
1192Boldwin
      ID: 413559
      Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 12:12
Antiquated laws.

It is against the law to adjust your stockings in public in Dennison, Texas and Bristol, Tennessee.

That is just wrong.
 
1193Boldwin
      ID: 9133149
      Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 17:02
The final speech of judiciary reformer Budd Dwyer.
 
1194Boldwin
      ID: 9133149
      Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 17:21
Though universally recognized as just another guilty state representative unwilling to take responsibility for his actions, Dirschberger’s film, which includes archival footage and interviews with some of those closest to Dwyer including a rare interview with Dwyer’s widow Joanne who recently passed away in 2009, tries to present Dwyer in a different light. By all accounts, Dwyer was one of the most forthright and honest men in the Capital City. However, controversy over Dwyer’s guilt or innocents has remained even as Dwyer’s very public death has been immortalized in popular culture in everything from music to YouTube.

The story of Dwyer’s tragic downfall begins at the start of his term when it was reported that state employees had overpaid millions of dollars in Federal insurance taxes. The Federal government issued a full refund and Dwyer was charged with finding a company who could calculate the amount of the refund each employee was due. This rich state contract, reportedly worth about $4.6 million, was eventually awarded to a California-based company called Computer Technology Associates (CTA). However, it was later reported in the media that Harrisburg native and CTA founder John Torquato Jr. had used his area connections and a series of bribes to obtain the contract. Following a yearlong investigation by the US Attorney’s office, Dwyer was indicted for receiving a $300,000 bribe in return for steer the contract toward CTA. The US Attorney also indicted Torquato, Torquato's attorney William T. Smith, and former state Republican Party Chairman Robert Asher. In return for lighter penalties, Torquato and Smith agreed to pleaded guilty and testified on behalf of the government against Dwyer and Asher.

Central to Dirschberger’s film is an interview with the 73-year-old Smith, who testified during Dwyer’s trial that the state treasurer had agreed to take the bribe when he met with him. However, Federal prosecutors could find no evidence that money had actually changed hands. For his part, Dwyer steadfastly maintained that he was innocent and that he was the victim of a frame-up. He even went so far as to write to then President Ronald Reagan, begging him for a presidential pardon. In the interview with Dirschberger, Smith admitted that he lied about the bribe under oath. “He’s dead because of me,” Smith said of Dwyer. “To the day I die, I’ll regret that I did it.” But the Smith’s credibility is open to question. He’s changed his story many times in the Dwyer case, and is currently facing more prison time for his involvement in a recent investment scam. Despite the inconsistencies in Smith’s story, many of Dwyer’s friends and surviving family have maintained that his taking of bribes did not fit his personality. Even the films creator has to agree, that the accusations of bribery are odd. “I couldn’t even find a speeding ticket on his record,” remarked Dirschberger during an interview with the Patriot-News.

“It’s really hard to find the complete answer to why he did it,” Dischberger said in a published interview, “but it does seem he was very concerned about not losing [his state] pension, which would have happened had he resigned or gone to prison.” Since Dwyer died in office, his widow was still eligible to receive her husband’s full pension, which numbered around $1.28 million.

 
1195Tree
      ID: 351111417
      Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 18:11
i didn't follow the link in 1193, but did Baldwin just post a link to a guy killing himself with a gun to the mouth? do people get off on watching that stuff?
 
1196Seattle Zen
      ID: 3310162612
      Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 18:37
If Tree is right, Baldwin, failing to warn people what is in the movie clip you have linked to is irresponsible and pathetic. Remove it.
 
1197Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 18:41
The YouTube cuts out just before he shoots himself. He's pulling out the gun when it fades out.
 
1198Mith
      ID: 1311443016
      Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 18:44
It ends right before. I doubt youtube would post the suicide.
 
1199Tree
      ID: 191101419
      Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 20:22
just making sure. i think most of us here probably know Budd Dwyer's story and his (inf)famous death. i just don't have any interest in actually watching it.
 
1202Boldwin
      ID: 361481420
      Thu, Feb 14, 2013, 21:50
Yes, of course I would not have posted the actual suicide without a warning.
 
1203Boldwin
      ID: 14158212
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 04:29
Stuff you might be curious about learning as long as you didn't actually have to watch them.

I find it disturbing the percentage dealing with the very young and the very related. Is that really the average guy's interest? They are voting with their dollars after all. I am also disturbed that he did not include the question, "What percentage of pornstars commit suicide." I hear it is phenomenally high...like 50% or something like that. Not gonna spend half a day googling to verify however. Sorry.

 
1204Boldwin
      ID: 14158212
      Thu, Feb 21, 2013, 04:39
Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit has been on a recent kick exposing prosecutorial over-reach.

I found this story very touching.

The level of abuse casually meted out to poor people who can't come up with a couple grand is heartbreaking.

As I've pointed out elswhere, in my local town police are tacking on phony charges to anyone stopped just for not looking cowed enuff. A minimum of $2000 and a screwed up six months, anytime the cop doesn't like the cut of your jib. And that's if you have the cash or a liquid friend. The indigent get pushed all the way down the slippery slope.
 
1205Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Fri, Feb 22, 2013, 13:09
Oh my goodness: Breitbart doubles down on Hagel and Hamas.
 
1206sarge33rd
      ID: 4609710
      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 19:19
some folks, insist on inappropriate posts.
 
1207Boldwin
      ID: 561362518
      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 19:37
Markets: Gary Shilling: You Should Sell Stocks, Buy Treasurys - Forbes

I just want to know what tax break Forbes earned for that piece of crap advice.
 
1208Boldwin
      ID: 561362518
      Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 01:41
Triple bonus!

Iranian-born Christine Amanpour blogging in favor of [Iranian backed] Hamas loving muslim Hagel, nominated by Iranian-born defacto president Valerie Jarrett.
 
1209Boldwin
      ID: 54147263
      Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 04:53
When we aren't firing the general and admiral who would have responded to Benghazi if they had been allowed to, we are leaving half the aircraft carriers in the fleet all in conveniently clumped in one location.



And we are considering this bill:
H.R.748- To require All persons in the United States, ages 18 to 24 years old, to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or as civilian service in a Federal, State, or local government program or with a community-based agency or community-based entity, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, to provide for the registration of women under the Military Selective Service Act, and for other purposes.
 
1210Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 09:00
keep spreading lies...

the truth about the above picture
 
1211Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 11:09
Further, HR 748 isn't being "considered" any more than it was "considered" every other time Charlie Rangel proposed it, in 2003, 2006, 2007 and 2010.

The bill has no cosponsors and like each of the last three times, will not even make it out of committee.

The one time it did make it out of committee, the 2003 version was defeated in the House 2-402.

This isn't the first time Rangel's Universal National Service Act has been discussed here.


A smarter entry for the Things that make you go...WTF? (part three) thread might be one about long standing forum members who display the lack of honesty or lucidity or respect it takes to post #1209 into this forum.
 
1212Boldwin
      ID: 54147263
      Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 11:49
1) Five out of ten or eleven carriers sitting together Pearl harbor style. For whatever reason.

2) A bill that needs watching like a hawk, because it includes one of Obama's fondest dreams in it, a domestic civil army.
 
1213Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 11:57
1) Not a novelty.

2) Fondest dreams?? I thought the brownshirts were already out there. Didn't you post the video like 4 years ago? I figured they would have carried you off by now, too.
 
1214Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 12:01
Is the comment in #1208 original, or is it ripped from some phony conservative patriot site without credit?

Either way, it's an embarrassment that further degrades the quality of this forum, and it's done by design. It's farcical from the first word.

Iranian-born Christine Amanpour

Christiane Amanpour - born Jan 12, 1958 in London, England

Is this who you're talking about? Hard to tell, since the name is misspelled as well as the birthplace misidentified.
Amanpour is one of the most respected and successful international reporters in the world over three decades, and she's reduced to an Iranian-born blogger. As for the link,
there's no mention of[Iranian backed] Hamas, Muslims or Valerie Jarrett.

It did contain some information of which I was unaware, that Hagel had a brother who served with him in Vietnam.

Chuck and his younger brother, Tom, fought together in the jungles of Vietnam. The two are believed to be the only brothers to fight side by side there in the same unit.

While on patrol, they were hit by an exploding booby trap. Chuck was badly wounded and Tom was also hit. But Tom stopped his brother from bleeding to death and helped him to safety.

A month later, their armored vehicle struck a mine. Though he was badly burned, Chuck pulled Tom from the wreckage and saved his life.

However, Vietnam also drove the brothers apart. Tom began protesting against the war and Chuck defended it.

Eventually, the two reconciled and even returned to Vietnam together in 1999 to visit the very places where they had been wounded.


How does one interpret Hamas loving muslim Hagel from that?

Things that make you go...WTF indeed. This is the kind of conservative patriot cynicism that's neither conservative nor patriotic.







 
1215Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 12:04
Boldwin on the Green Revolution: "I love the Iranian people!"

Sure you do.
 
1216Tree
      ID: 271212612
      Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 13:41
1) Five out of ten or eleven carriers sitting together Pearl harbor style. For whatever reason.

you didn't even read the article. or you're incapable.

i'll make it simple for you. excuse the words with more than one syllable.

1. one of the five carriers was retired, and is being dismantled.

2. Another was in port to get its flight deck resurfaced.

3. A third was scheduled to depart on a mission to the Persian Gulf, but Naval officials asked the Sec. of Defense to cancel that mission.

4. the fourth was not ordered in for "routine inspections," as the lie declares. It had been undergoing tests of its ability to have aircraft, which it does not presently have.

it was supposed to depart, but that departure was cancelled due to the sequester.

5. the fifth was also not ordered in for "routine inspections." not ordered into port for routine maintenance. Rather, it was in port for a two-year refueling mission.

unfortunately, that mission was also cancelled due to the sequester.

additionally, the Navy has already said the statement about this being the first time so many carriers have been together since Pearl Harbor is untrue.

and finally, THE PICTURE IS FROM DECEMBER, AND WAS ORIGINALLY PAIRED WITH A NICE STORY ABOUT SAILERS COMING HOME FOR CHRISTMAS.

so, way to take something that was a nice move by our government, and LYING to make it fit your warped views.

my WTF is "WTF does your God think about you lying, and not even caring about the truth?"

 
1217Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 13:45
He's got a bigger goal than God, tree. He's got to get Tea Party-style GOP members elected.
 
1218Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 13:47
Besides, it's not really bearing false witness if the lies are intended to disparage "people" who happen to be political liberals.
 
1219Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 13:55
That's true. It is like mocking Satan. Free punches!
 
1220Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Tue, Feb 26, 2013, 16:32
disparage "people" who happen to be political liberals.


Which brings us back to the scorn, ridicule and misinformation[Iranian-born] directed at Chritiane Amanpour, a woman who earned every accolade she's received over a long and distinguished career.

She parachuted into Bosnia to cover the atrocities following the breakup of Yugoslavia. She's been on the front lines of numerous conflicts and interviewed world leaders as diverse as Tony Blair and Ahmadinejad. I can understand criticizing her style or her lack of journalistic objectivity at times, but that would take a level of intellectual acumen sorely lacking from those who claim to be conservatives.
It isn't a new thing, either. Here's a sample comment from a November 2011 Free Republic article on her.

This is the same "War Whore" who gave a speech to the news media right after the 2000 election and chastised her fellow liberals on "how could you have let this happen" -- the election of President Bush!! This is also the "War Whore" who was former "college roommate" of John Kennedy, Jr. AND is married to Jaime what-his-name, former Clinton State Dept. spokesman who still roams the halls of State (thanks to some of his former Clinton hold-over buddies there) and even has them patch him through for overseas call on the State Dept. dime!!!!
Does she have an agenda??????????You bet your AS* she does and it's not the same one President Bush has or the same one American patriots have. So CNN, peddle her someplace else - I refuse to watch her. A WHORE is a WHORE is a WHORE!!!


I shudder when I think there's a good possibility this person is a parent.

"Son or daughter, people we should admire for their achievements and dedication should be referred to in the most vile terms possible, given their gender, national origin, religious affiliation and political views. It's the American way."

Making a mockery of conservatism for over 10 years.
 
1221Boldwin
      ID: 45151272
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 04:19
Amanpour made it a point to deny that her parents had been forced out of Iran by the revolution. In otherwords, "we are not at odds with the Ayatollah Komeini." Made it a point to make that point.

Amanpour while on camera in Serbia when a bomb went off in a crowded marketplace, while on air, immediately lept to the conclusion that the Serbs probably had bombed their own market and not the muslims across the border.

I woudn't trust this woman to give a report on dogs on death row at the pet shelter. And I certainly wouldn't expect her to take the American side of an issue involving Iran.
 
1222Boldwin
      ID: 45151272
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 04:38
And while we are at it, I reject the elitist presumption that anyone who speaks with a decidedly english upper-class 'accent of authority' is a superior person and should be trusted implicitly.

Tell it to Philby, Burgess, Maclean and Blunt.
 
1223sarge33rd
      ID: 4609710
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 08:56
I rather doubt her accent, is why she is so respected around the world. Well, except by far right wingnuts.
 
1224Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 09:34
Amanpour made it a point to deny that her parents had been forced out of Iran by the revolution. In otherwords, "we are not at odds with the Ayatollah Komeini." Made it a point to make that point. - Boldwin #1221

In other words, I make up quotes and simply parrot my favorite right wing talking points, exposing my laziness and committment to false information in my never-ending quest to remain ignorant to the realities of the real world.

Here, in Amanpour's own words, is her description of her parents' exit from Iran:

LESLEY: Tell us about that. Tell us about your family, because as I’ve read, your father was an airline executive and the family had to flee, you were forced to flee.

CHRISTIANE: Well, forced to flee is not exactly accurate. Basically, my father worked in the airlines and – how’s the best diplomatic way to put it? My father’s brother was arrested and eventually we believe he was tortured and killed in prison. We’ve never seen the body, and they’ve never explained it to us. But my parents actually were not forced to leave, but they were forced to live under obviously the revolutionary regime and the change in society and culture of the time. My parents actually left for a vacation in the summer of 1980, with my two younger sisters, and could never go back because as they were going back, Iraq invaded Iran and started the war, and the longer they stayed out the more difficult it was for my father to go back. It was … you know, he was advised not to go back. So they were accidental refugees.


link

In Boldwin's world, this translates into "we are not at odds with the Ayatollah Komeini."

I woudn't trust this woman to give a report on dogs on death row at the pet shelter. And I certainly wouldn't expect her to take the American side of an issue involving Iran.

Since you can't be trusted to present factual information regarding "this woman," why would anyone care about your personal decision to remain blissfully ignorant?


 
1225Frick
      ID: 157331422
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 09:38
Other Boldwin, is there anyone on here who takes anything he posts seriously?


But, it does prove the point, that the more extreme and radical point that a person makes, the more likely they are to get a response.
 
1226bibA
      ID: 54522612
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 10:14
Frick - what you say is so true. I used to think that it was kind of a waste of time to respond to his posts. However, I have since realized that it does have a purpose.

How often have we seen him use material that was unsubstantiated, from a source that had made radical accusations just because they seemed to back up a wild political belief? His sources are from sites that has followers that are predisposed to similar biases, and thus do not challenge what they are reading. He can then use these as sources, as if they were research.

If he was not called on this site and exposed as often as he is, others would be able to do as he does, and cite his stuff as evidence supporting their research.
 
1227Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 10:27
Other than the perhaps Weykool and maybe B7 on occasion, it doesn't seem like any regulars ever take him seriously.

But people have come through over the years who are predisposed to his brand of chicken-little hate politics (or who are dim enough to be impressed). These include Jag and Boxman, among other. Not to mention longer-tenured gurupies who turned out to reside in that camp, like AZDbacker and Cosmo's Cod Piece.

I've noticed a little bit of an uptick in politics forum page views lately, probably spillover from the increased activity in the Baseball forums. I wouldn't want any new lurkers to fall under the impression that Boldy's views represents anything more than a single nutball around here.
 
1228Boldwin
      ID: 45151272
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 19:38
PV

Yes, I had already read her account. She could have said people like us aren't welcome there, we would be killed there. She did not do so. And I notice you didn't bother trying to deny her execrable ludicrously biased job reporting in Serbia.
 
1229Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 20:17
Yes, I had already read her account

So you readily admit that the quote you attribute to her - "we are not at odds with the Ayatollah Komeini" - is a complete and utter lie. In the next breath you want to talk about ludicrously biased reporting? Ha! You wrote the book.
 
1230Boldwin
      ID: 591522719
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 20:53
I didn't quote her saying "we are not at odds with the Ayatollah Komeini".

I inferred it because she pointedly refused to allow the presumption that she was among the former Iranian elite, and was persona non-grata. No no, it was just a misunderstanding, just an administration snafu or something was the tone she used. Why else would she be in denial mode?

I hadn't seen the part about the brother, but I had seen the rest of the quote.
 
1231Boldwin
      ID: 591522719
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 20:57
When you see me say, In otherwords, you know that is me clarifying or summarizing.
 
1232Boldwin
      ID: 591522719
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 21:02
 
1233Boldwin
      ID: 591522719
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 21:04
Woodward: Obama's Decision Not To Deploy Carrier "A Kind Of Madness"

Also Woodward makes the point that Obama has conceded that he was responsible for the sequester which will come as a shock to PD and others around here.
 
1234Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Wed, Feb 27, 2013, 22:00
When you see me say, In otherwords, you know that is me clarifying or summarizing coming up with a completely different meaning, one that suits my argument, regardless of whether it's accurate or not.

you made a typo. i fixed it.
 
1235Boldwin
      ID: 22130283
      Thu, Feb 28, 2013, 04:41
BTW, people who left Iran around the time of the revolution, don't have to explain. Everyone assumes they were more favorably disposed to the Shah and that their lives would be in danger there.

None of that for Amanpour, nope. Gotta make it clear her's wasn't the obvious reason.
 
1236Boldwin
      ID: 58251117
      Fri, Mar 01, 2013, 18:52
Why probably only MITH, out of everyone here, has any hope of seeing the light.
 
1237Boldwin
      ID: 252530
      Sun, Mar 03, 2013, 04:24
Wow, could not find any of our old threads about the 9/11 pentagon attack.

There is just no way anyone can listen to former General Stubblebine explain why the official version of events of 9/11 are hogwash and not be effected.

Starting with the exact same starting point as my conversion to skeptic. No wingmarks on the pentagon. From there the whole media construct came crashing down for him.
 
1238Boldwin
      ID: 27228104
      Sun, Mar 10, 2013, 05:31
China for the first time ever looks at N. Korea and sees it as the dangerous crazy state it is.

Formerly just deranged, now nuclear armed and potent they are becoming grandiose delusional. Half a year ago China was promoting cross border business. N.K. hasn't been returning their phone calls.
 
1239Boldwin
      ID: 513861
      Sat, Apr 06, 2013, 02:09
I don't read the Enquirer but I think the covers are a hoot. I imagine these writers getting together dreaming up the funniest stories they can imagine.

I think something similar was going on here. He just threw in everything and the kitchen sink. Disinfo agent with a funnybone on a good day.

Anything to keep the sheep distracted.
 
1240biliruben
      ID: 21841115
      Sat, Apr 06, 2013, 09:40
Yeah, those are hysterical! I have a couple other favorites too!

Iraqi's secretly marching across Jordon to capture Jerusalem!

Wiccans turning our kids into worshipers of the anti-Christ!

Oh, wait...
 
1241Tree
      ID: 323869
      Sat, Apr 06, 2013, 10:08
homosexuals making us all turn gay!

the legalization of abortion being why people are poor!

keep 'em coming!

 
1242Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Wed, Apr 10, 2013, 19:38
Jane Fonda to play...Nancy Reagan in movie.

Nancy Reagan herself actually gave her blessing to the casting of Fonda
 
1243Boldwin
      ID: 16361119
      Thu, Apr 11, 2013, 20:07
Since there's been no war in their lifetime, I'm guessing the medals are for...



...fellow officers turned in to the DHS perhaps.
 
1244Boldwin
      ID: 47321920
      Sat, Apr 20, 2013, 01:44
Illinois flooding is historic. I'm downriver from this failing dam. Break away barges banging on the dam. Wild stuff. Tho I'm high enuff I'm not directly threatened. A very prolonged rain recently but never seen spring flooding this late in the season so long after snows melted and ground had a good start thawing.
 
1245Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Mon, Apr 22, 2013, 20:43
Presented without any fücking shít commentary
 
1246Boldwin
      ID: 25332317
      Wed, Apr 24, 2013, 07:37
Boring boring boring...wait a second...what?



Mummified by the desert this tiny baby was found in Chile as dried out mummies often are there...

yawn

The head is distended in classical SciFi fashion exciting the UFO crowd...

yawn

It has nine ribs...

yawn

They made a documentary of it thus teasing the UFO crowd to no end, which proved with DNA analysis it was 100% human...

yawn

It died around 6-8 years old!!!

WTF!?! What??? Freaky! That moves the boundaries of the possible a fair piece. Imagine that family life.
 
1247Boldwin
      ID: 73292421
      Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 00:26
In the days leading up to fully realized 1984 the hacked media is telling the truth the media won't.
 
1248Tree
      ID: 38322228
      Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 01:13
personally, i'm glad that bunker you're hunkering down in has internet access. because you are bringing the crazy, and i am entertained. thank you for being a loon.
 
1249Boldwin
      ID: 73292421
      Thu, Apr 25, 2013, 04:59
Scientist at Stanford. Gary Nolan
"My interest, frankly, is to disprove that it's anything unusual or anything paranormal," Nolan said prior to beginning his DNA study of the small portions of Ata he was allowed to work with. "I would like to prove that this is human [and] just an interesting mutation. In every situation with scientists, your reputation's at stake. I have every expectation that even doing this is going to lead to some ribbing from some of my colleagues."

One of the leading theories going into the DNA testing was that Ata may have been an unborn fetus. But, even that turned out to be incorrect, according to Nolan's surprising (or not, depending on your point of view) conclusions of his investigation.

"The sequence that we got from the mitochondria [energy factories of cells] tells us with extremely high confidence that the mother was an indigenous Indian from the Chilean area. The other thing that immediately fell out of the analysis is that it's male. It probably died in the last century, if I were to make a guess."

Nolan concedes he entered this study thinking that DNA was the answer, but then realized there were other biology questions about Ata that still needed to be understood and answered. He plans to eventually publish his findings after more analysis.
Also discussed in depth here.

I expected it to be a debunking and sure enuff it was. Nothing alien about it. Then what was truly crazy. The Stanford scientist casually puts in there that the baby lived to age 6-8.

Stanford's got a pretty good reputation. Harvard of the west.

The movie the investigation was included in, having been disappointed by DNA analysis, had to spin off into some 'if the baby wasn't alien then the energy technology involved was', hokum in which I have no interest or belief.
 
1250bibA
      ID: 54522612
      Sun, Apr 28, 2013, 11:46
Mother claims The Diary of Ann Frank is porn, wants it pulled from school library
 
1251Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Sun, Apr 28, 2013, 12:01
There is an abridged version (actually, a further abridged version) which cuts out most of that yucky stuff, like her liking a boy, etc. Makes her out to be more of a sexless Holocaust saint.
 
1252Boldwin
      ID: 494571610
      Thu, May 16, 2013, 14:06
Father of four beaten to death by nine sheriffs while handcuffed behind his back.

The witness who recorded it on her phone, sat surrounded by detectives in her home, seized the phone before the warrant arrived, threatened 'give phone up the easy way or the hard way'.
 
1253Tree
      ID: 254471611
      Thu, May 16, 2013, 14:29
Father of four beaten to death by nine sheriffs while handcuffed behind his back.

if this is true, then we'll see it elsewhere. for now, i'll take with a grain of salt any news coming from a site called "Mr. Conservative" and with a banner touting the "breaking news" that British National Archives Confirm Obama Sr. Had A Child in 1961 Kenya
 
1254Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Thu, May 16, 2013, 14:54
HuffPo on the incident. Their report cites the NY Times, the LA Times, KTLA and FOX News.
 
1255Tree
      ID: 254471611
      Thu, May 16, 2013, 15:00
sometimes, all you want is for a news site to at least attempt to even look legit. thanks.
 
1256Boldwin
      ID: 504361623
      Fri, May 17, 2013, 14:19
Huffpo:
Venue cancels BDSM event for not being family-friendly -- event organizers file for restraining order
Huffpo unclear on the concept of 'news'.
 
1257Boldwin
      ID: 524281815
      Sat, May 18, 2013, 18:09
Would have loved to see this reviewed by Keith Ratliff in his enormously entertaining and popular FPSRussia website but he's mysteriously dead all of a sudden.

Or reviewed by Chris Kyle but he's mysteriously dead all of a sudden...

Or reviewed by John Noveske but he's mysteriously dead all of a sudden...



Gear & Gadgets / Product News & Reviews
$17,000 Linux-powered rifle brings “auto-aim” to the real world

It has the potential to replace 'shoot stuff and mount' with 'share the shot with your buddies in realtime, and just not take the shot'. Catch and release for big game.



Cause really, you would not have missed.
 
1258Tree
      ID: 564211423
      Sun, May 19, 2013, 01:06
reviewed by Keith Ratliff in his enormously entertaining and popular FPSRussia website but he's mysteriously dead all of a sudden.

Or reviewed by Chris Kyle but he's mysteriously dead all of a sudden...

Or reviewed by John Noveske but he's mysteriously dead all of a sudden...


there's nothing mysterious at all about the deaths of the first two. they lived by the gun, they died by the gun. if guns are an important part of your life, it's reasonable to presume you might meet your end in a violent way.

the third died in a car crash.
 
1259Boldwin
      ID: 364171912
      Sun, May 19, 2013, 13:30
Next time I point out RTBA advocates getting whacked in suspicious clusters, I'll include the caveat, 'or as Tree would consider it - appropriate gun deaths'.
 
1260Tree
      ID: 564211423
      Sun, May 19, 2013, 14:24
'or as Tree would consider it - appropriate gun deaths'

which of course, would be another lie.

Kyle was killed because he was foolhardy with gun usage. he trusted someone he shouldn't have trusted.

Ratliff was shot in the head in his office. There have been numerous (unsubstantiated) reports on various blogs (sources that you use as if they are the end all, be all, but i'll use with the "unsubstantiated" disclaimer) that Ratliff scammed and defrauded quite a few people.

there are reports he was convicted of sexual assault a dozen or so years ago.

there have been rumors that he abused girlfriends prior to his marriage. there are stories of him not being faithful.

murder isn't appropriate, and even if he was guilty of all the above, he didn't deserve to be killed for any or all of them

but considering he wasn't robbed of money or any of the guns surrounding him when he died in his business office, it wouldn't shocking that someone who was pissed off put a bullet in his head.

again - let me be clear - this are all things from some random blog post i found by googling the guy's name. i don't particular consider that an indisputable source, but you often do, so in this case, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander.
 
1261sarge33rd
      ID: 4609710
      Sun, May 19, 2013, 15:44
sort of goes back to what Larry the Cable Guy said, "Guns dont kill people.....but husbands who come home from work early; do."
 
1262Boldwin
      ID: 4429213
      Tue, May 21, 2013, 05:56
This is a rather large and strangely hidden story.

One of the most successful false messiahs in Jewish history became a muslim in his last ten years of life [to save his life]. The effects were large because the following was large. These followers are still around having God knows what effect.

The Sabbateans.

Strange tales of kabbala, a possible connection with sufi islam, strange Albanian tales, accusations of people who were supposedly secret Sabbateans. The field left open for Hasidism by this figure turning islamic, the connection between Sabbateans and secularism...there are library shelves full of intrigue and interesting historical material here that have not reached the attention of the outside world.
 
1263Boldwin
      ID: 4429213
      Tue, May 21, 2013, 06:01
Wow, the most islamicized of them, the Dönmeh were largely instrumental in secularizing Turkey in the 'Young Turk' and the Attaturk movements.
 
1264Boldwin
      ID: 4429213
      Tue, May 21, 2013, 07:05
Sweden - Europe's leading social experiment in sheep creation.
If the Swedish system celebrates kids who are great at sports while all but punishing kids who stand out academically (“Excellence of bodies yes, brains no”), part of the reason is a fanatical devotion to equality of result, and part is an awareness that kids with first-rate minds are potential critics of the system. Hence socialism’s preference for mediocrity over excellence.

And, one might add, for social science over hard science. Yes, Sweden awards Nobel Prizes in chemistry, physics, and medicine, but its educational system discourages an interest in math and science – because, you see, experts in these fields end up serving industry, which exploits workers and produces environmentally hazardous waste. For decades, consequently, Sweden has suffered a deficit of scientists, engineers, doctors, and technicians. Students who choose to enter these fields, furthermore, tend to be so ill-prepared that they “need remedial classes.” There’s also a lack of plumbers, construction workers, and other laborers – for just as Sweden’s social engineers distrust science, they look down on vocations involving manual labor.

Swedes...have been efficiently trained to view any expression of unease over state-run education as “deranged” and to accept the socialist proposition that children belong not to their parents but to the state.

Socialists recognize members of the middle class, who are all too frequently driven by an ambition to better their circumstances, as a potential threat to the authority of socialists, whose machinations make such ambitions harder to fulfill. How to nip this nuisance in the bud? Easy: impose sky-high taxes on them. For, as Sjunnesson points out, people who have been able to accumulate some savings in the bank are better positioned to “stand up against authority” and “rise with self-confidence”; they’re not “as servile as if they had nothing.” Sweden’s tax system, then, is designed to make it extremely hard for Swedes to save money – and it works: compared to other Western countries, “Swedes have unusually small amounts of savings.” And consequently, people who might otherwise be vocal critics of the socialist welfare state are very aware of being dependent on it, knowing that if they get sick or lose their jobs they won’t have their own resources to fall back on. Confiscatory tax, then, serves not only as a means of enriching and expanding the socialist state, but as a form, itself, of socialist control.

They’re afflicted with a “silent conformism,” the result of a “spiral of silence” driven by a “fear of exclusion” and a perceived need to maintain a social order founded on perceived consensus views. Whether the perceived consensus views actually are the consensus views doesn’t matter: “When no opposing views are heard, people do not believe there are any even if they themselves dissent.” Those who do dare to dissent are branded as extreme – even though those “extreme” views may be thoroughly mainstream in other Western countries – and are often targeted for violence by self-styled “anti-fascists” who behave exactly like fascists. Sweden is, note well, a country in which members of the anti-establishment Sweden Democrats Party are demonized for dissenting civilly and peacefully, while certain entertainers are celebrated for singing about their desire to commit acts of violence against Sweden Democrats.

the system rewards irresponsibility on the part of young unmarried mothers and the men who impregnate them. (“With a baby, a single parent sidesteps all waiting lines and the child may be the only means to an apartment for decades.”) About a national self-hatred so fierce that “schools have asked pupils not to wear [Swedish flag] t-shirts or wave the yellow and blue flag as it could be interpreted as racist.” About a country where adults admire and envy youth beyond all reason, and accordingly exhibit greater levels of hedonism and infantilism than their counterparts anywhere else on the planet. And about levels of anti-Semitism that made international headlines yet again just the other day, when Israel’s Eurovision delegation was harassed and threatened on the streets of Malmö.

In such countries, it’s taken for granted that there’s no need to place any limit on state power or to provide mechanisms to protect citizens from that power, because, by definition, as Sjunnesson puts it, “the state always is good.” We may mock the European Union for banning jugs or bowls of olive oil on restaurant tables, but this is what socialism does: the powers that be need to have their fingers in every pie, need to minimize the number of situations under which freedom may actually be experienced, need to accustom citizens to a society in which their lives are increasingly regulated. They need, in short, to create a country in which the land and the system are, in the minds of the general public, one – a country, that is, in which the people simply cannot imagine the nation itself without the socialist state.

No so-called democracy on earth has gone as far in this direction as Sweden. For the Swedish people, Sjunneson says, “the country is the welfare state…Swedes have have no home but the welfare state and no identity outside its yarn” – outside, in other words, its narrative about itself. Winston Smith, Orwell’s narrator in 1984, suggests that the only hope of overthrowing the totalitarian government of his native Oceania lies with “the proles”; Sjunneson, for his part, believes that his fellow Swedes are so brainwashed by welfare-state propaganda that the only way Sweden can save itself at this point is by admitting “one million new immigrants from India, China, Africa and Latin America” who have service skills or technical knowhow, who have no truck with jihadism or multiculturalism, who want to move to Sweden not for a handout but to study hard and work hard, and who will, in time, found more rigorous schools and start more vigorous businesses.
 
1265Boldwin
      ID: 256156
      Sat, Jun 15, 2013, 07:06
For reasons perhaps only Nerveclinic can explain...



I've seen this done before but never with quite as many.
 
1266Tree
      ID: 58548159
      Sat, Jun 15, 2013, 10:49
For reasons perhaps only Nerveclinic can explain...

or, common sense

it's a pretty solid combination of things that are statistically not surprising (numerous), dubious at best (John Wilkes Booth being a "southerner" despite being born in Maryland which few people will actually consider the south), completely fictional (Kennedy did not have a secretary named Lincoln; booth was not born in 1839), and so forth.

it's one of the oldest memes around, preceding the term "meme" by decades. but it's still not really that impressive, considering all the inaccuracies and mistruths.
 
1267Boldwin
      ID: 57519186
      Tue, Jun 18, 2013, 19:07
To paraphrase Sen. Everett Dirkson, 'Ten trillion here, ten trillion there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money.



Your tax dollars hardly working.

Next time you hear calls to audit the Fed...you might add your voice.

Alan Grayson and Boldwin agreeing.
 
1268sarge33rd
      ID: 390471112
      Thu, May 01, 2014, 00:25
Co develops safe gun that can only be fired by the owner, rightwingers issue death threats to CEO

Belinda Padilla is the president and CEO of the U.S. division of German gun manufacturer, Armatix. Her company began marketing and trying to sell the first “smart gun” in the United States. The weapon, a .22 caliber handgun called the iP1 pistol, uses a radio frequency enabled stopwatch to identify the user. The user enters a five-digit PIN into the stopwatch which then allows the user to fire it. The gun also disables if it is more than ten inches from the watch.

...

Padilla says she started receiving prank phone calls. People would call and leave irate voice mails. She said she no longer answers her phone when unknown numbers call. They also posted pictures of the address where she has a P.O. Box.

One poster wrote:

I have no qualms with the idea of personally and professionally leveling the life of someone who has attempted to profit from disarming me and my fellow Americans.

Personally leveling? That is most definitely a threat. Who exactly she is trying to disarm is not clear. The last time I looked, gun manufacturers were in the business of arming people. All evidence suggests she is actually trying to arm people. The problem is that gun nuts don’t want any safety devices on firearms."


This, is why most of the world thinks that we Americans, are out of our friggin minds.
 
1269Bean
      ID: 5292191
      Thu, May 01, 2014, 00:57
Get real....nobody wears watches anymore sarge, they clash with the other bling, and the camo hunting gear. Besides, if you have to wear a watch, then how could you conceal that you are packing? Seriously?

The death threats all seem reasonable to me. Nothing premeditated there, its just provoked self defense.
 
1270Boldwin
      ID: 4041015
      Thu, May 01, 2014, 06:53
I don't know why you are upset, Sarge. Belinda would have looooooooooooooots of time to saunter off as her attacker fiddled with enabling the gun.
 
1271Boldwin
      ID: 5624318
      Fri, Jul 04, 2014, 16:21
Since 2001 Warren Buffet has donated $1.23 billion dollars to abortion groups. Enuff money to abort every human in Chicago, according to research from Media Research Center.

How you become the darling of the media.
 
1272Boldwin
      ID: 5624318
      Fri, Jul 04, 2014, 16:26
And a well rewarded crony capitalist I might add. "Yea verily did the tax seas part and a regulatory red carpet unfurled before he, laid out upon dry land."
 
1273sarge33rd
      ID: 390471112
      Wed, Oct 08, 2014, 13:11
Oregon man, open carrying his brand new handgun...robbed of it at gun point


if only he had a gun...err, wait......
 
1274Bean
      ID: 5292191
      Wed, Oct 08, 2014, 16:53
I finally understand why some people think concealed weapons are a good thing.
 
1275sarge33rd
      ID: 599561113
      Sat, Oct 11, 2014, 14:57
open carry Bean, does two things and two things only;

(1) makes many people nervous'
(2) says "shoot me first", to any bad guys in the area.

That, is ALL it does.
 
1276Tree
      ID: 55815821
      Sun, Oct 12, 2014, 09:56
a third thing that open carry does is make you a target to good guys as well.

if i've got a C&L, and some jabroni walks in with a shot gun around his shoulder, i'm not going to spend a whole lot of time trying to determine if he's just a moron, or he's a moron who wants to hurt me and my family.
 
1277Perm Dude
      ID: 431013412
      Sun, Oct 12, 2014, 10:23
As far as I can tell, open carry men do so (particularly these days) because they don't trust anyone. Which is ironic, because why should their paranoia make them trustworthy to me?

 
1278Frick
      ID: 17640169
      Mon, Oct 13, 2014, 10:33
Re: 1277

Because they have passed a strict and rigourous background and training tests?

Oh wait, nevermind.
 
1279sarge33rd
      ID: 31961317
      Mon, Oct 13, 2014, 18:08
Not sure where else to put this, so I'll put it here.

There is a FB page, whose admin is openly offering a reward for the arrest/execution of "the criminal" Barrack Hussein Obama. The following link, goes to a letter in response, written by a retired Naval Officer.

To that Officer, is want to say "Good on ya sir. Good on ya!"

link