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| Posted by: Mattinglyinthehall
- [454491514] Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 17:53
Taxman has made pick 1.01 and we are under way. |
| | | 1 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 18:03
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Who'd he pick! Who'd he pick!
Oh yeah, gotta go over to Kalfslaughterhouse.
Here's a link to our draft.
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| | | 2 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 18:15
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My team is in sucj disarray I was commited to taking either Peterson or Johnson looking 2 years down the road. 2 pix into the draft and 'm already disapointed.
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| | | 3 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 18:27
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Talked to Clyde. He created a Q this morning, but was confused as to how to activate it. I have his pick, but have no idea how to enter it for him.
Marshawn Lynch.
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| | | 4 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 18:30
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If you don't have his log-on info then Tree should be able to do it.
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| | | 5 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 18:32
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He would have had to name you his "designated prick" or something like that.
Kafe is already saving us time. Away we go....
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| | | 6 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 18:35
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I gone ahead and named some of you regulars my new BFF so that you can pick for me. However, my Q only has like 3 names right now, so don't use it.
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| | | 7 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 18:52
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Uh. Anyway.
Should I just set up a "temporary" draft thread here so we can keep moving?
PV - you around?
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| | | 8 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 18:55
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PV's prolly assuming some hummingbird hopped up on 6 shots of double espresso is supposed to fly over to Utah and tweet in his ear when he's up.
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| | | 9 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 18:58
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I don't see any reason why picks can't be posted here until tree checks in. He can then enter any picks made here into Kafka.
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| | | 10 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 19:00
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You're so sensible, MITH.
But I ain't finished beratin' Kamelbreath yet. ;)
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| | | 11 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 19:04
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We could start a thread. We could call it, like, "Poli Football Draft thread" or something. We could post all our picks in it. If someone wasn't near a computer they could talk on the phone to another manager who was and that manager could post the absent manager's pick so the draft could continue. At the close of the draft, the commish could imput all the picks into Yahoo and we'd have a record here, where we post of the draft.
That'd never work though.
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| | | 12 | Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 20:05
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I just got home. My daughter needs me to take her shopping immediately!!!.
Give me a few minutes. I don't even know who all the keepers are.
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| | | 13 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 20:09
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No rush, PV.
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| | | 14 | tree on the treo
ID: 407331116
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 20:35
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relax....sheesh....
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| | | 15 | tree on the treo
ID: 407331116
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 20:36
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relax....sheesh....
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| | | 16 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 21:25
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Will pick in a few min
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| | | 17 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 21:32
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Were really hoping Thomas Jones would fall to us.
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| | | 18 | Perm Dude
ID: 15728239
Thu, Aug 23, 2007, 21:44
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Just put my daughter to bed a few minutes ago. Gimme a couple to find my sheets for this draft.
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| | | 19 | Perm Dude
ID: 1717249
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 10:26
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Trade announcement:
Perm Dude trades Matt Hasselback to MITH for Santana Moss.
pd
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| | | 20 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 10:48
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Confirmed.
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| | | 21 | Myboyjack
ID: 17262011
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 12:37
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yawn
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| | | 22 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 12:48
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Shouldn't the clock be ticking? Or the humming birds humming?
All I hear is the tweety birds tweeting, and the cats stretching.
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| | | 23 | Myboyjack
ID: 17262011
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 12:51
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It's all under control. I don't feel the least bit obligated to call anyone or ask people to leave Qs; I know the Kafebaby has things purring right along.
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| | | 24 | Baldwin
ID: 125312919
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 13:48
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I will need updated phone numbers sent to me once again. Don't make me look up old outdated contact lists.
I only have Punk ahead of me but about to go out for lunch and I don't have his number.
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| | | 25 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 13:49
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What ever happened to Trung Canidate? Anyone remember?
Sorry for mentioning an undrafted player.
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| | | 26 | Perm Dude
ID: 1717249
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 13:52
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Hurt his foot and was cut by Washington a few years ago, as I recall. Miami was looking at him when Ricky Williams up and quit but I don't think they ever signed him.
Former first rounder, I believe.
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| | | 27 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 13:55
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I guess you need your foot. Seemed like an awfully big talent to just vanish like that.
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| | | 29 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 14:04
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I'll never forget that game against the Jets in 2001 when Faulk went down the week before against the Giants and we really thought the Jets with their terrible run D would have a chance against the Rams.
Canidate ran for something like 200 yeads and the Jets were routed.
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| | | 30 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 14:09
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Punk - I'm not really even sure what you are talking about, but for someone who's been on the clock for 14 hours, without any serious bitching about it from anyone, you seem to be coming on a bit strong. Just sayin'.
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| | | 31 | Myboyjack
ID: 17262011
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 14:12
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Punk's annoyed.
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| | | 32 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 14:34
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Phew! Now I don't feel so bad about not trading Chad. I really wanted to keep Evans, but knew he'd have a better chance of making it to me that Chad.
So how does this system work?
Why didn't it just pick Evans for me?
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| | | 33 | wiggs
ID: 55013307
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 14:37
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dam, i thought i had a shot at evans. I am going to be leaving work now, and probably be home in an hour. Tree has timed out of the RIFC draft, so I dont know how long before he will pick, but i will check back in about an hour.
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| | | 34 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 14:50
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So I need to specify a designated picker(s), then right? Then they can peruse my Q?
Is there a problem making you all my DP? Is there a problem with allowing all y'all to just see my top pick?
Is there a way to just have Kornographid take my top pick automatically?
In order to avoid annoying Punk, I won't ask the obvious question.
Sorry for all the questions. I only used this a few years ago, when there were many bugs and fewer "features".
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| | | 35 | Clyde
ID: 237302212
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 15:02
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Biliruben, I hereby make you my designated picker........... If I don't win the Championship, I blame you..............
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| | | 36 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 15:13
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I lost that part of my brain that produces guilt back in the war.
For C-lide:
2.03 Trung Canidate, RB, The Toledo Prosthetics
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| | | 37 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 15:54
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Not bitchin'. Just curious.
Is anyone else periodically losing access to Kabernetid?
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| | | 38 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 17:16
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I'm out for the night. The DP can pick from my Q or call me on my celly; I'll be playing cards.
859582717 2.
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| | | 39 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 18:18
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No Kaffeeklatch access problems for me. But I didn't check very often today.
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| | | 40 | tree on the treo
ID: 407331116
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 19:30
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guys..apologies....kafenatid was down when iwent to turn on the clock this am...ive been out all day..got stuck intraffic and now working a wrestling show...left my cheat sheet in the hotel...will pick late tonight...sincere apologies..
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| | | 41 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 21:11
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I'm gone for the six hours to get stinkin' drunk for my 40th bday. What can it hurt me. I'm already dead.
Left a bit of a Q, but as I have 3 picks all pretty much in a row, if there is any question of my intentions, wait until I sleep off my hangover, or my baby wakes me up at 4 am, whichever comes first.
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| | | 42 | Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 21:44
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Hey bili, it's my birthday too!
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| | | 43 | wiggs
ID: 287151918
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 22:06
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my bday as well and my wife.
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| | | 44 | Perm Dude
ID: 1717249
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 22:40
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Man, what a day.
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| | | 45 | wiggs
ID: 2542623
Fri, Aug 24, 2007, 23:58
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i am going to the mets dodgers game tomorrow so I will not be home all day. I will leave a queue, feel free to use it for 1 pick tomorrow, if it gets through that please wait for me to make my own pick the following round. Thanks
wiggs
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| | | 46 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Sat, Aug 25, 2007, 00:43
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I'll be at a bbq at Mentors' new place, where he doesn't have internet access. I'll leave a queue for our 2nd round pick if it doesn't come up before I leave. I'll pick everyone as my DPs. We don't have a 3rd round pick.
If our 4th rounder should come up, my number is posted in Yahoo and I also emailed it Baldwin.
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| | | 47 | PuNk42AE in MICH
ID: 167552211
Sat, Aug 25, 2007, 04:09
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TIGERS WINNNN!!! Awesome game!
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| | | 48 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Sat, Aug 25, 2007, 13:05
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Haven't left for Mike's place yet - trying to get him on the phone for a final decision on this pick. Hopefully he's just in the shower or something.
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| | | 49 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Sat, Aug 25, 2007, 16:29
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I'm here. I will get both picks done within the hour, probably sooner.
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| | | 50 | Perm Dude
ID: 54772610
Sun, Aug 26, 2007, 11:19
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tree:
If the trade in 19/20 is approved, would you put it through on kafe? Thanks.
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| | | 51 | Perm Dude
ID: 54772610
Sun, Aug 26, 2007, 14:14
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Damn good pick, Punk.
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| | | 52 | tree on the treo
ID: 407331116
Sun, Aug 26, 2007, 16:08
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pd - ill put it in when I get to the office tomorrow. still no net access at home...
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| | | 53 | PuNk42AE in MICH
ID: 167552211
Sun, Aug 26, 2007, 16:42
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Hopefully it ends up being a good pick. All the years in the league i've had 1 good RB so hopefully a change of pace this time.
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| | | 54 | wiggs
ID: 2542623
Sun, Aug 26, 2007, 22:07
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i have to say this is bs that there has been no time limit this entire time, even though there was supposed to be one. Its just a good thing that i didnt miss a pick or I would be quite pissed.
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| | | 55 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Sun, Aug 26, 2007, 22:18
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Why is there a time limit? Was there one last year?
Has there ever been a time limit in any polileague draft?
When was this discussed?
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| | | 56 | wiggs
ID: 2542623
Sun, Aug 26, 2007, 22:20
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there was not a time limit when tree would have timed out on friday, now there is one.
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| | | 57 | tree on the treo
ID: 407331116
Sun, Aug 26, 2007, 22:40
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I said several times there would be a clock, and no one posted a complaint.
in post 40, I said that due to kafenatid being down on friday morning, I was unable to turn on the clock as previously announced.
as soon as I could, I did, and I'm pretty sure that was friday evening.
are people just now noticing the clock that has been on all weekend?
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| | | 58 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Sun, Aug 26, 2007, 22:55
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Yes, I am just noticing now. As far as I know there was no clock last year. in factr I don't ever remember a time limit during the draft of any polileague in any sport.
In the other thread I see you brought up the clock and asked if everyone was on board. No one responded.
That's something a commish should get some feedback on from the rest of the league... don't you think? I don't think a total non-response is grounds to alter the format of our draft. That's the sort of thing a league votes on.
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| | | 59 | wiggs
ID: 2542623
Sun, Aug 26, 2007, 22:57
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i didnt see a clock posted on friday night unless it was real late, then i was away all weekend so no i didnt see it. I have no problem with a clock, but it was said it would be friday, when it wasnt I didnt think it would be added over the weekend.
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| | | 60 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Sun, Aug 26, 2007, 23:24
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I suggest the clock be turned off until there is more input from the league.
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| | | 61 | Perm Dude
ID: 54772610
Sun, Aug 26, 2007, 23:33
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Certainly on the weekend, anyway.
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| | | 62 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Sun, Aug 26, 2007, 23:43
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Geez. I didn't even know I had Braylon Edwards in my Que; now he's on my team (untill I drop him)
No more Qs for me. Thanks Kafe.
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| | | 63 | tree on the treo
ID: 407331116
Sun, Aug 26, 2007, 23:43
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I said there was going to be a clock. no one had a problem with it. I solicited this league on their thoughts on various topics, and the vast majority choose not to respond.
speak now or forever hold your peace is very apropros here. everyone had a chance to comment - that's how I've handled this league from day one - and if I were to sit around and wait for people to do so, we still wouldn't have even named keepers yet.
as for friday - like I said, when I had web access, kafenatid was down, so I couldn't start the clock as intended. as soon as I got access again and the site was up, I flipped it on.
as for the weekend, the clock was on to make up for lost time. we need to be done with this draft by the weekend.
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| | | 64 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Sun, Aug 26, 2007, 23:59
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speak now or forever hold your peace is very apropros here
I disagree. Very strongly. And I'm not the first person to take issue with the way you've communicated with the league, Tree.
I always make a point to closely follow and be active in any proposed rules changes. I don't like learing of a rule after the game has started and I really don't like rules changes being dictated by a commissioner with no input from the rest of the league - even if its because no one responded to the thing in the first place.
I also don't appreciate my suggestion dismissed out of hand. I would have been positively livid if I was skipped this weekend and I'll be pissed if anyone else is skipped in this draft because they weren't aware there was a clock.
This isn't how these leagues are run.
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| | | 65 | Perm Dude
ID: 54772610
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 00:24
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Looks like at least one manager (mbj) got a player he didn't want because of the clock.
tree, I'm certainly willing to cut you slack bacause of the lack of comp access you had, but I'd hope you'd be as flexible on this as you are asking us to be with you. Clocks on the weekend is something very new.
We've never gone late in the past and I don't see the need for us to "make up" on your lost time here in the way you've done it.
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| | | 66 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 06:49
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I don't think I got screwed because of the clock. I think I had braylon Edwards somewhere in a 16 man research Q - a Q not meant to be used because I had no plans of being away for more than an hour or so - and somehow Edwards got picked fo me 2 minutes after the previous pick.
Lesson learned.
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| | | 67 | tree on the treo
ID: 407331116
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 07:03
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on wednesday, prior to the draft starting, I stated (and I'm pretty sure I bolded it) the following:
"I'm thinking of beginning the draft - if everyone is on board - friday morning at 9 am - with a 6 hour clock through the weekend, dropping to four hours if we need to come monday morning."
I then asked for thoughts from the league, and I don't believe anyone responded.
I akso don't believe anyone was skipped because of the time limit, so I'm not sure why this is an issue.
I am not a mind reader. I am also not a babysitter. I have to presume that if people have a comment, they will make one. I have to presume that people will read posts in the league discussion thread.
I've used various methods to communicate, from email to posting, and the fact remains that many in this league simply don't communicate until after the fact.
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| | | 68 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 07:10
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I've used various methods to communicate, from email to posting, and the fact remains that many in this league simply don't communicate until after the fact.
That's largely true, tree, and I'm sure it's frustrating when you want to make a change. But it's also true that we don't make changes by fiat; without positive feedback on a change there shoudln't be one.
The clock hasn't affected anyone's pick. It's been harmless. Just do away with it, now that you've got your feedback and it's a non-issue.
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| | | 69 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 07:21
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I'm not sure why this is an issue.
I've been very clear and I shouldn't have to repeat myself.
The clock hasn't affected anyone's pick. It's been harmless. Just do away with it, now that you've got your feedback and it's a non-issue.
Agreed. Fully.
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| | | 70 | Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 08:39
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MBJ.
If you didn't want Edwards drafted, you should have made your que unavailable.
It's spelled out quite clearly.
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| | | 71 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 09:16
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If the clock isn't an issue, i don't see the point of doing away with it.
We've not used kafenatid before - so, i didn't even remotely think the clock was an issue. heck, i still don't see why it is.
Sometimes, if a league is not contributing to discussions on minor rule changes (such as a clock - as opposed to a major rule change, such as changing keepers), i see no problem with implementing something.
i wouldn't make a major change (such as keepers) without a league vote. but a clock? if it's not a problem, why does anyone care? a clock helps the draft move smoothly if someone decides to check out and disappear without notice, which is something that seems to happen each year in our leagues, whether it be mid-season or pre-draft.
i probably won't return as commish next season. a commish sometimes has to make decisions for the league, and as long as it's not messing with the integrity or anything like that, i think that's an important role for the commish.
this league doesn't want someone like that.
this league wants someone to set everything up, corral all the owners, input all the data when the draft is done, and be done with it.
from Toral's snit fit to Baldwin's (false) accusations about favoritism toward those on the Left and now to this, my desire to commish this league has drained, and i'll stay on for the season, but come next year, someone else will need to take that role.
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| | | 72 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 09:23
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If the clock isn't an issue, i don't see the point of doing away with it.
Tree, I've made it abundantly clear, in no uncertain terms, that it is most definitely an issue for me.
Please turn the clock off.
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| | | 73 | Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 09:39
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Put me down as a vote for a clock.
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| | | 74 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 09:47
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Tree, I've made it abundantly clear, in no uncertain terms, that it is most definitely an issue for me.
i'm catching up on a lot of posts over the weekend, and may have missed it, but as far as your reasons against a clock are "there was no clock last year" and "That's something a commish should get some feedback on from the rest of the league... don't you think?"
again, i'm not a mind-reader. i offered the league an opportunity for a response and for input.
As commish, that is my duty and obligation.
As a league, it is *your* duty to respond and offer said input. If the league offers no resistance, it is a natural presumption that there are no problems.
again - this is a clock we are talking about, and one that hasn't come into play yet. this is not upping keepers, adding rosters spots, changing the scoring system, what have you.
this is a fairly minor thing, and one in which was suggested Wednesday morning of last week, TWO days before the draft began belatedly.
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| | | 75 | Myboyjack
ID: 17262011
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 09:48
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Pancho -MBJ.
If you didn't want Edwards drafted, you should have made your que unavailable.
It's spelled out quite clearly.
LOL. Not a problem - it won't be available anymore.
As far as it being spelled out "clearly"; it certainly wasn't clear to me that people would use those Qs to just wily-nily pick for the next manager without giving that manager to make the pick for themselves. I thought the purpose was to allow for such picks if there was some kind of hold up in the draft and/or the manager gave specific instructions to make such a pick - like I have once before in this thread. Whatever.
Team Clyde and I announce a trade:
Braylon Edwards for Deshawn Foster.
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| | | 76 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 10:00
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I'm not interested in a pissing contest with you tree. You're getting feedback on it now.
Please just pause the thing until at least a few more people weigh in. I agree this is not an easy group to commish a league for. But I take issue with a commish changing established rules with no input from the league.
Currently there are two people who want the clock (you and Pancho) and two of us who feel it should be turned off - at least for now (me and MBJ). that doesn't sound like grounds to keep it going.
This league has been tumultuous enough this season already. Please turn it off until we can get an idea of whether enough league members want the thing.
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| | | 77 | wiggs
ID: 547422212
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 10:15
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i have no problem with the clock, but i didnt like leaving on friday with no clock and returning on sunday to see I almost timed out.
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| | | 78 | Perm Dude
ID: 19713279
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 10:16
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I don't think there is any need to pause it. Just turn off the clock. There is absolutely no reason to pause the draft to talk about using a clock.
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| | | 79 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 10:17
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I'd also appreciate it if other lurking league members would weigh in.
PD is around and I know that Baldwin, Wiggs and Biliruben are all likely to check the forum over the course of the day.
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| | | 80 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 10:19
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PD
I'm not suggesting we pause the draft. I'm sugesting (like you) that we turn off the clock until we know whether enough league members want to use it.
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| | | 81 | Perm Dude
ID: 19713279
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 10:33
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Please just pause the thing until at least a few more people weigh in.
Are you Mitt Romney?
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| | | 82 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 10:35
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Team Clyde and I announce a trade:
Braylon Edwards for Deshawn Foster.
i will put this into kafenatid.
I'm not interested in a pissing contest with you tree.
and i'm not interested in doing that either. however, ample opportunity was given for people to chime in, and NO ONE did until after the draft started. until we were more than a couple rounds in.
NOW people want to chime in? it's like saying "oh, wait, we can't do a forward lateral? i must have missed that...can we suspend that rule until we talk about it more?"
i've lost my patience in regards to soliciting opinions, then having no one offer them, until well after the fact. this entire pre-season has been one lack of contribution after another from league members. it's epidemic, and it's frustrating.
i have a vested interest in keeping this draft moving. i'm the one that will have to input all the players afterwards.
this draft needs to be done before the weekend for me to have ample time to do that.
we have a holiday weekend coming up, and i would prefer to expect everyone to draft in a reasonable time this week, than to find a computer when many people are away for a weekend and in places with limited or no access.
i have no problem with the clock, but i didnt like leaving on friday with no clock and returning on sunday to see I almost timed out.
i can respect that Wiggs, and i apologize. as i said, Kafenatid was down when i went to turn on the clock at the originally prescribed time, so i had to turn it on when the next opportunity presented itself.
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| | | 83 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 10:59
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NOW people want to chime in? it's like saying "oh, wait, we can't do a forward lateral? i must have missed that...can we suspend that rule until we talk about it more?"
i've lost my patience in regards to soliciting opinions, then having no one offer them, until well after the fact.
So you're saying that even if a majority of responding managers want the clock turned off, you will refuse to comply?
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| | | 84 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 11:09
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Are you Mitt Romney?
No, but this shameless and unprecedented expansion of executive power Tree is claiming sure brings another current political figure to mind.
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| | | 85 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 11:22
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So you're saying that even if a majority of responding managers want the clock turned off, you will refuse to comply?
no, i'm not saying that at all.
i'm saying that currently, the majority of managers have not responded. this isn't any different than wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday, or sunday, the days previous to them when there was an opportunity to chime in. or, essentially, any different from when the first posts were made of this league.
response has been lacking. if 8 owners now come out and say "no clock!", then i've got no problem turning the clock off.
but the announcement of the clock was but forth several days ago with nary a complaint, and now because one or two managers are against it for no other reason than they can't recollect a clock being in place before, then i really don't see a reason to change something that is intended for the betterment of the league, to keep the draft moving along, and to get it wrapped up in a reasonable amount of time.
No, but this shameless and unprecedented expansion of executive power Tree is claiming sure brings another current political figure to mind.
you're the one making demands without a majority behind you. you're also the one claiming to not want to get into a pissing contest, yet tossing out insults.
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| | | 86 | Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 11:29
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What part of On The Clock would indicate to someone that no clock is involved?
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| | | 87 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 11:30
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and now because one or two managers are against it for no other reason than they can't recollect a clock being in place before
Its now 3 managers. And I'm getting very tired of you feigning ignorance of why this bothers me.
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| | | 88 | Myboyjack
ID: 17262011
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 11:36
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What part of On The Clock would indicate to someone that no clock is involved
I guess the part of On the Clock that gives the option of using a clock or not. Whatdoyathink.
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| | | 89 | Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 11:45
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Whatdoyathink.
I think we should abandon Kafenatid and return to our regular program.. If we're not going to use a clock or que management, there's no point, and it seems to be creating more stress and animosity than providing for a smooth draft.
At this point in our traditional drafts, Baldwin would have contacted Boikin and we'd likely be moving again.
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| | | 90 | Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 11:48
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Actually, it's Tree's pick. Anyone heard from him;)
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| | | 91 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 11:48
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PV - thats the name of the service. But the time limit feature is optional. Politics forum leaues have used this Kaffeinated service previously, but to my knowledge have never implimented a time limit in any of our drafts.
For as long as I have been involved in poli forum leagues, any rules changes have always been decided by the group, never the commissioner alone. In fact, there are numerous examples of where a suggestion did not receive ample response and therefore died. While I respect the difficulty Tree has had in getting this group together this year, he shouldn't claim the right to dictate rules changes to us on the fly, in this case announcing (not suggesting) a change in the draft format several days before the thing starts.
The draft is moving fine and temporarily stopping the clock until it is discussed further will not affect it.
Anyone who has been in the fantasy baseball league I run knows that rules change proposals are presented clearly to the league, usually in there own thread, and announced to the entire league via email, all well in advance of implimentation. Followup emails are sent to sent to non-responsive managers and an open dialogue is encouraged. And insufficient response means the rule doesn't change.
And that's how politics forum leagues always used to be run, too.
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| | | 92 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 12:04
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And I'm getting very tired of you feigning ignorance of why this bothers me.
i'm not feigning ignorance. to the best of my knowledge, it's because "there was no clock last year".
if there's another reason, i'd like to hear it. if this clock is putting your team at a competitive disadvantage, i'd like to hear it. but if this is just you making a stand because you believe that an organized and structured draft is a bad idea, really, what's the point?
For as long as I have been involved in poli forum leagues, any rules changes have always been decided by the group, never the commissioner alone.
the group did decide. at some point, the role of the commissioner is to make a decision for the league, based on the situation.
we have three new owners in this league, plus PD coming back to help out. NONE of that was put forward to the league to vote, because, a decision had to be made.
if we put everything to a vote here, nothing would happen, and the crickets would still be chirping as we waited for this draft to start.
regarding emails and follow up emails and all that - i did that several times for other things, and people still did not respond. i'm not here to waste my breath on people who don't want to respond, i'm here to play football.
I think we should abandon Kafenatid and return to our regular program.. If we're not going to use a clock or que management, there's no point...
without question. but, that will be for the league (of which i plan to still be part of) and the next commissioner to decide.
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| | | 93 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 12:22
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to the best of my knowledge, it's because "there was no clock last year"....
but if this is just you making a stand because you believe that an organized and structured draft is a bad idea, really, what's the point?
#58: That's something a commish should get some feedback on from the rest of the league
#64: I really don't like rules changes being dictated by a commissioner with no input from the rest of the league
#91: My entire second paragraph.
Don't try my patience further, Tree.
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| | | 94 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 12:32
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and clearly, you are not reading a damned word i'm writing, do don't even talk about trying patience.
i did solicit feedback. none was given. if no feedback was given, then the natural progression is that there are no problems, because lord knows, this group is rarely at a loss to raise their voices when there is a problem about something.
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| | | 95 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 12:37
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if no feedback was given, then the natural progression is that there are no problems
Yeah, that's where the disagreement is. That has never been the case in any poli forum league. As I have said, that isn't the way we run things. As MBJ said, "we don't make changes by fiat; without positive feedback on a change there shoudln't be one.
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| | | 96 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 12:41
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and clearly, you are not reading a damned word i'm writing
Anyone who is paying attention knows that you're the one who isn't listening. Its you who refuses to acknowledge that your idea of "natural progression" is completely unprecedented in this league, totally different (the complete opposite, in fact) from the way we have always run things.
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| | | 97 | Perm Dude
ID: 19713279
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 12:42
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Keep arguing fellas. The less concentration you have on the draft, the better it looks for me...
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| | | 98 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 12:46
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Though he's making it difficult, I have to agree with Tree here. I saw the message, and though I hate clocks, particularly over the weekend, it seem to make sense with our "Push to Progress" using Kalifragid this year. Anyone who disagreed could and should have spoken up there.
I can sympathize with the lack of responses and interaction in this league.
Of course, I think that using Kapitatid just makes it worse.
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| | | 99 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 12:49
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What I didn't like was the lack of help for those who were new to Konstipatid. It is NOT clear how the Qs work, and if it's your first time it is less than intuitive.
I asked a series of questions, with no help at all. Part of asking was for people like MBJ and Clyde, though I would have also benefited.
If you are going to push a new system, at least explain how it works.
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| | | 100 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 13:16
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Bili
we have three new owners in this league, plus PD coming back to help out. NONE of that was put forward to the league to vote, because, a decision had to be made.
Actually there was considerable discussion over the first replacement manager and all were openly discussed in the forum.
But there doens't seem to be enough aversion to the clock to continue further. I do welcome Tree's stepping down from the commissioner role after this season. While my recollection is that last year went fine with no issues, this year he has been awful.
From his unethical suggestion that we change the number of keepers for this season...
to his poor response to Toral's baiting...
to his inability to sufficiantly communicate to a group that is difficult to keep focused (especially in a situation with 3 new managers)...
to his blatent disregard for long standing league practices...
I've had enough.
Moving on, have I missed a discussion in which we decided who will collect the waiver claims? Has anyone explained our waiver system to the new managers? Perhaps these are not responsibilities we should leave to this particular commissioner.
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| | | 101 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 13:38
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Even though I didn't write the italicized words attributed to me above, I nominate MITH for 2008 Poli Football Commissioner.
Is there a second?
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| | | 102 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 13:38
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What I didn't like was the lack of help for those who were new to Konstipatid. It is NOT clear how the Qs work, and if it's your first time it is less than intuitive.
i don't mind taking some blame for this. while i figured people would use the help/FAQ, you're right. on my part, not having computer access at home for more than a week now has definitely affected my ability to help things run smoothly, so i'll offer up a mea culpa without any hesitation.
From his unethical suggestion that we change the number of keepers for this season...
it was a suggestion, and nothing more. it was not an edict, nor something that even went to vote. it was just a solicitation for opinions, and when it was clear people were against it, the matter was dropped. there is nothing unethical about it, and i'll take your bait - screw you for that accusation.
to his poor response to Toral's baiting... no question.
to his inability to sufficiantly communicate to a group that is difficult to keep focused (especially in a situation with 3 new managers)...
i can bring the horse to the water, but i can't make him drink. i communicate just fine, but if people choose to respond/ignore/disregard, i can't be faulted for that.
to his blatent disregard for long standing league practices...
which one is that? the one where i put forward something and then get ignored? oh no, i did that just fine.
again - don't blame me for your own oversight MITH.
that's my last word on the matter.
as for the waiver system, my hands are washed of it. i tried to offer a suggestion regarding Yahoo Plus, but, like nearly every other matter in this league, it fell upon deaf ears and mute mouths.
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| | | 103 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 13:49
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which one is that?
Still feigning ignorance. I don't believe you're this stupid. Maybe I'm wrong. So be it. the issue is settled as far as I'm concerned. Hopefully no one else missed your time limit mandate.
as for the waiver system, my hands are washed of it
??
Are now dictating that we will do away with the league's established waiver system?
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| | | 104 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 14:08
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Even though I didn't write the italicized words attributed to me above, I nominate MITH for 2008 Poli Football Commissioner.
Is there a second?
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| | | 105 | Perm Dude
ID: 19713279
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 14:09
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Second
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| | | 106 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 14:10
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Thanks.
Other nominations/volunteers?
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| | | 107 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 14:14
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Nomination accepted.
Of course that means very little. The final decision should come via league vote.
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| | | 108 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 14:19
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Right.
Let's see if we dig up a good ol' fashioned election!
One of you conservatives care to toss your hat in the ring?
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| | | 109 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 14:36
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While I'd be happy to spearhead this, I don't feel right sending out league-wide emails requesting nominations and volunteers and announcing an election, after having already accepted a nomination myself.
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| | | 110 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 14:37
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Most managers check in here pretty frequently, don't they?
I'll send an email.
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| | | 111 | wiggs
ID: 55013307
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 14:55
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i can respect that Wiggs, and i apologize. as i said, Kafenatid was down when i went to turn on the clock at the originally prescribed time, so i had to turn it on when the next opportunity presented itself.
I appriciate it tree. And I didnt want to start a problem here with this. Just wanted to point out why I didnt leave a queue.
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| | | 112 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 14:57
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Also, I don't think we should drop the waiver system issue. I have no idea what Tree meant in saying that his hands are washed of it.
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| | | 113 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 14:58
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as for the waiver system, my hands are washed of it
??
Are now dictating that we will do away with the league's established waiver system?
no, not at all. i realize you jump to more conclusions than a Harry Potter fan, but nothing is different.
i just won't be involved in the process, other than making the roster moves happen, which, i believe, is exactly how it was done in previous years.
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| | | 114 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 15:02
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also - i'd like to nominate Miss South Carolina to be our next commish, but with her impressive understanding and in-depth knowledge of the world, i think she's going to end up being this nation's next AG.
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| | | 115 | Punk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 15:05
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I have no problem with the clock, it was stated it would be 6 hours and then down to 4 if we needed to. I didn't miss that on the boards.
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| | | 116 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 15:07
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you jump to more conclusions
Conclusions don't end in question marks.
Anyway, my questions regarding the waiver system were: have I missed a discussion in which we decided who will collect the waiver claims?
and
Has anyone explained our waiver system to the new managers? If your response to those questions is that your "hands are washed of it", I don't know what you expect us to think. Apparently feel that you have no responsibility to prompt that discussion or see that new managers are given access to the rules?
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| | | 117 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 15:29
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MITH - i am exhausted of prompting discussion, only to see nothing come of it.
is there something to stop you from starting a discussion?
on one hand, you want things to be decided by the league, and on the other hand, you want the commissioner to prompt the league on everything.
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| | | 118 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 15:47
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on one hand, you want things to be decided by the league, and on the other hand, you want the commissioner to prompt the league on everything.
Yes, that's pretty much the way poli leagues have always worked. I also want the commissioner to make sure that the new managers know the rules.
But don't worry about it. I'll take care of it.
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| | | 119 | tree on the treo
ID: 407331116
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 15:50
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on wednesday, prior to the draft starting, I stated (and I'm pretty sure I bolded it) the following:
"I'm thinking of beginning the draft - if everyone is on board - friday morning at 9 am - with a 6 hour clock through the weekend, dropping to four hours if we need to come monday morning."
I then asked for thoughts from the league, and I don't believe anyone responded.
I akso don't believe anyone was skipped because of the time limit, so I'm not sure why this is an issue.
I am not a mind reader. I am also not a babysitter. I have to presume that if people have a comment, they will make one. I have to presume that people will read posts in the league discussion thread.
I've used various methods to communicate, from email to posting, and the fact remains that many in this league simply don't communicate until after the fact.
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| | | 120 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 16:04
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whoa. where did 119 come from. weird.
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| | | 121 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 16:50
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The following has also been sent to the league via email:
We still have yet to determine who will receive and post this year's waiver claims. Last year MBJ was gracious enough to handle the task for us. In 2005, Tree assumed the responsibility.
Are there any volunteers this year?
For new league members who are not familiar, here is the gist of Toral's explanation of the system from last year:We decided last year to opt out of Yahoo's default system where free agents can be picked up anytime. The major reason I believe was to avoid the situation where RBs 1 and 2 go down on Sunday and a player suddenly becomes valuable and goes to the 1st person to go to the computer. Some people are away many Sundays, some aren't near a computer and some just don't want to have to follow all injuries and rush to the computer when a player suddenly becomes valuable.
Requests for players are handled through the manual waiver system. Managers who want to pick up a player must make a request to the commissioner or his delegate (myboyjack was the delegate last year and has offered to do it again) by a stated time each week (usually Tuesday at 9 P.M. Eastern). mbj sifts through the requests and produces a report on which claims have been approved, publishes it on the message boards, and sends it to the commissioner. The waiver priority is bottom up, last to first based on the standings as of that time. Multiple claims and alternative claims (i.e., DROP Joe Blow PK and pickup John Doe PK OR Joe Schmoe PK) are possible. Alternative claims address the possibility of some other manager claiming the player you want before it's your turn to claim. Adding to that, once any NFL game starts, all free agent players on those teams are officially "on waivers" and cannot be added to anyone's roster. If you want to add a player to your team after his game has started that weekend, you must submit your request to the (currently unestablished) delegate via email.
The waiver schedule we used last year was that the claims had to be emailed to the delegate by 9pm EST Tuesday nights. That night the delegate (Waiver Master?) processes the claims and announces where all the players landed in a Rotoguru thread designed specifically for that purpose. (Last year's thread here)
We all then have 24 hours, until 10pm EST Wednesday to add the players we've claimed off waivers. At that time, 10pm EST on Wednesdays, all players not currently on any fantasy team's roster then becomes a free agent, until kickoff for their next game.
Also, when emailing your claims to the Waiver Master, please be sure to list your claims in order of preference and include the first and last name of players involved and their positions and teams. For example:1. ADD: Joe Namath, QB, NY Jets
DROP: Fred Dryer, DL, LA Rams
2. ADD: OJ Simpson, KWM, Buffalo Bills
DROP: Fred Dryer, DL, LA Rams OR
Bill Bergy, DL, Phil. Eagles This manager wanted to acquire both Joe Namath and OJ Simpson. Note that, knowing that he might not get both claims through the waiver system, and preferring to lose Dryer over Bill Bergy, he made Fred Dryer his first-choice player to drop both times. In case the Namath claim was successful, he listed a second player to drop for OJ, since Dryer would then no longer be on his team.
Any questions?
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| | | 122 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 18:12
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Waiting to hear from Mike. He should be home from work pretty soon.
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| | | 123 | Baldwin
ID: 125312919
Mon, Aug 27, 2007, 23:03
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I have Boikin's pick and rights to pick for him but wanted to give him a moment to reconsider if he happens to be around. I'll input it in ten minutes if he doesn't.
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| | | 124 | Perm Dude
ID: 26731289
Tue, Aug 28, 2007, 10:33
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Damn--was hoping Kevin Jones would slip to me. Gotta do a little more research here--gimme 10 mins.
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| | | 125 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Tue, Aug 28, 2007, 16:14
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I am having trader's remorse.
Travis Henry has apparently fathered 9 children with 9 different women.
And he got busted for smoking the sweet weed a few years back.
That's the kind of lifestyle that keeps you runnin'!
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| | | 126 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Tue, Aug 28, 2007, 16:39
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Us too, actually. We failed to notice that PV didn't keep Thomas Jones, whom, as Jets fans, we would have preferred over Ronnie Brown. I wonder whether we could have gotten the same deal or possibly a better one for Jones.
Of course it might be for the best, anyway. Brown has much better upside as a keeper and with Kerry Rhodes and Jericho Cotchery slated to start for us, I don't want to have to turn over my whole bench for the Jets bye week.
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| | | 127 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 13:40
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PD - I'm sure the hopped-up hummingbird has already hummed in your ear and this is something you are already aware of, but you've been the clock for a couple of hours.
I only mention it because you've been posting.
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| | | 128 | Perm Dude
ID: 678299
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 13:58
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Didn't realize that--thanks for the reminder. Will pick in a sec.
pd
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| | | 129 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 15:38
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Anyone else unable to get into Kabuki?
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| | | 130 | boikin
ID: 59831214
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 15:50
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i can not use it either right now, says database not reachable.
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| | | 131 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 16:39
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Back up now.
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| | | 132 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 16:45
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folks -
we gotta do something to make this move faster. i realize kafenatid was down part of today, but we're looking at not finishing until the weekend, which, as i still don't have internet access, means that i'll be inputting players from work on tuesday, time permitting. i'm nervous about having the time to do it on the first day back from a holiday weekend.
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| | | 133 | Perm Dude
ID: 678299
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 16:53
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Let's shorten the time up to 4 hours/pick.
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| | | 134 | Perm Dude
ID: 497102916
Wed, Aug 29, 2007, 23:21
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Looking over some names right now. Will pick in just a couple of minutes.
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| | | 135 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 07:06
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We need to do 4 rounds by tommorrow afternoon. Let's go.
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| | | 136 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 09:43
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at the end of this round, i'm shortening to four hours.
granted, i don't think too many picks have exceeded that four hour limit anyway, but i'm hopeful this will encourage us to get along.
in an ideal world, i'm entering the data at lunch time tomorrow....
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| | | 137 | Myboyjack
ID: 50713309
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 10:26
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Baldwin - It's time to step into the phone booth, bro. Anyone have a contact # for boikin.
BTW, very clearly for PoliGuru Leagues:
peer pressure + personal contact > kafe + clock
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| | | 138 | Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 10:33
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I'm stupidly busy. Only two in my que, so if they're gone, I will be holding things up until about 8 or 9PM EST tonight.
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| | | 139 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 11:36
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peer pressure + personal contact > kafe + clock
i'm not exactly sure either would have helped, to be honest. there seems to be a distinct level of apathy this season.
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| | | 140 | Myboyjack
ID: 50713309
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 11:38
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true.
I expect a revival of activity as soon as boikin picks....
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| | | 141 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 13:18
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here
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| | | 142 | Myboyjack
ID: 50713309
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 13:44
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A call to wiggs would really scoot things along if anyone has a #
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| | | 143 | Baldwin
ID: 125312919
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 13:46
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My peer pressure to generate a contact list got me one contact number. I really don't have a lot of time to be the facilitator this time anyway tho.
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| | | 144 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 13:47
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I do. I'll text him now.
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| | | 145 | Baldwin
ID: 125312919
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 13:48
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It would be wise if everyone either provide a number in the yahoo site or reliably leave a long enuff queue.
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| | | 146 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 13:50
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He replied right away and said he'll pick soo.
My number is posted in Yahoo.
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| | | 147 | Myboyjack
ID: 50713309
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 13:51
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Ahh..we're groovin' now. Get ready Taxman.
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| | | 148 | Myboyjack
ID: 50713309
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 13:53
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I'll be making my Que available. Please go ahead and pick for me; however, please don't pick twice in a row from the same position. (EG. if you get me a K and the next time around a K is 1st on my Q - go to the next position.
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| | | 149 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 14:21
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I'll be unavailable until around 4p EST. I've left a queue long enough to cover my next pick. If the next round flies by and I'm up again someone can call me and I'll figure something out.
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| | | 150 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 15:04
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He replied right away and said he'll pick soon.
i wonder what Wiggs' definition of "soon" is...
i cannot believe we have THREE picks so far...
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| | | 151 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 15:45
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guys - in all sincerity - i'm not even sure a four hour clock is reasonable anymore.
how an ongoing draft that has been running for 7 hours today, yet has only THREE picks done, is mind boggling to me. i mean, we're 15 rounds in - people are aware there's a draft going on, right?
i really don't know what to do here, because the fact remains that i'll most likely be entering players just in time for the season to start, without any time to allow the teams to pick up free agents, and without allowing you guys more than a few hours to review the players on your team for accuracy.
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| | | 152 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 15:51
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Actually, all but 35 minutes today have been devoted to getting 1 pick in.
People have to have Qs by now; make the clock whatever it needs to be, IMO. Kafe will pick automatically anyway, right?
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| | | 153 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 15:51
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He left me a text - not sure what time - saying that his internet is down and he's headed to his parent's place to make his pick. I left him a voicemail telling him to call me if I can be of any help.
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| | | 154 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 15:55
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Kafe won't pick automatically - it'll skip you if you don't have a queue.
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| | | 155 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 15:56
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I don't think so - I think someone has to make the pick. But if everyone selects the whole league as DPs, you only need one person to be checking in.
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| | | 156 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 15:56
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155 responds to 152
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| | | 157 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 15:58
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btw, my queue is for my next pick - the 16th round - only.
i'll be out for an hour, home for an hour, then out for two.
if it appears it's going to swing around to me while i'm out for those later two hours, i'll add players to the queue for the 17th round. PLEASE take only one player per position.
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| | | 158 | Perm Dude
ID: 19758307
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 16:02
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I'll be around pretty much all evening--certainly no more than an hour away from the comp at a time.
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| | | 159 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 16:07
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Don't wait for me; if I'm up pick from my Q
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| | | 160 | Baldwin
ID: 125312919
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 16:09
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Could everyone just learn to use the queue function and at least input the one player they want the most if they can't come up with a more comprehensive list?
You must actually enable a designated picker to make the function available. Just putting someone on the list isn't enuff.
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| | | 161 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 16:13
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PD is up.
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| | | 162 | wiggs
ID: 2542623
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 16:15
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sorry for the delay boys. I was leaving work when mith texted, I figured I would pick when I got home, but then my internet was down.
The reason I didnt leave a queue was I checked before I left and i wasnt up yet.
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| | | 163 | Perm Dude
ID: 19758307
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 16:17
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nice run.
Punk is up.
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| | | 164 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 16:26
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wiggs - np. stuff happens. However, given our current time crunch, it'd be nice if everyone could leave a substantial Q from here on out, I think.
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| | | 165 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 16:32
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Its probably time to begin discussing a contingency plan in case the draft isn't finished in time for Tree to enter the rosters into Yahoo, which is beginning to look likely, depending on Tree's internet access at home.
Is there any update on the liklihood you'll have access, Tree? If not, is it possible for you to do it at a library or internet cafe? I know several league members sent you some money in effort to go with Yahoo's plus service. That should be more than enough to cover an hour or two at an internet cafe.
Some other suggestions:
1. Designate someone else to enter the players. This would require Tree trusting someone with his Yahoo login info.
2. Start the season with incomplete rosters for Week 1. If we go with this option, it should decided asap with an established cutoff point for when the draft will be halted to give managers the best chance possible to prepare for their first matchup.
3. Cancel Week 1.
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| | | 166 | Perm Dude
ID: 19758307
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 16:35
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Yahoo has a "pass the commish" function now. Tree can designate someone as commish without the need to give out his login information.
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| | | 167 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 16:37
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Re suggestion #2, I should have wrote:an established cutoff point, after which drafted players will not be eligible for Week 1.
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| | | 168 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 16:45
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Didn't we have a variable DL/DB slot last year?
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| | | 169 | Baldwin
ID: 125312919
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 16:51
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Absolutely we have always had a flex D player slot for the fifth active D player.
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| | | 170 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 16:53
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Not anymore.
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| | | 171 | Baldwin
ID: 125312919
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 17:06
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That will surely be corrected. Bye weeks would require more defensive players on the roster if we don't.
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| | | 172 | tree on the treo
ID: 407331116
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 17:06
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weird...it should have copied the positions exactly. ill look into it in the am when I am back in the office.
there is a coffee shop by me with access. I'm going to go in on sunday morning to do the entry. they're often closed on holidays so monday isn't an option.
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| | | 173 | tree on the treo
ID: 407331116
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 17:25
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weird...it should have copied the positions exactly. ill look into it in the am when I am back in the office.
there is a coffee shop by me with access. I'm going to go in on sunday morning to do the entry. they're often closed on holidays so monday isn't an option.
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| | | 174 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 18:07
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Should I draft as if I can start another DB?
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| | | 175 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 18:12
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I think having a clock actually slows things down. A minority think:
"Hey! All I have to do is check in every 6 hours! Sweet."
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| | | 176 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 18:22
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re: flex position. Looking back at the old thread, we went through the same discussion last year. We concluded no flex, it seems.
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| | | 177 | Baldwin
ID: 125312919
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 19:16
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I don't know if we called it flex but I clearly remember using 3 DB's to cover for a better LB on a bye week.
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| | | 178 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 19:17
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Agreed. I just think we lost it before this year.
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| | | 179 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 19:18
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I'd swear there was a flex...
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| | | 181 | Baldwin
ID: 125312919
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 19:27
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Great...just what I needed...one more reason the bench is too short.
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| | | 182 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 19:28
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consistency is my hallmark - even in error.
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| | | 183 | Baldwin
ID: 125312919
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 19:59
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Out the door but there's 7 or 8 guys in the hopper and MITH, MBJ and PD are designated pickers for me.
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| | | 184 | Perm Dude
ID: 19758307
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 20:01
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Punk times out in 13 mins.
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| | | 185 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 20:14
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1 minute!
59
58
57...
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| | | 186 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 20:20
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now the boiken watch begins...
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| | | 187 | tree on the treo
ID: 407331116
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 20:36
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well..i botched that.
I put together a queue, but in my haste, I forgot to clean out the old queue.
as wiggs hasn't picked yet - and if its possible - I'd love permission to go in and get a position I actually need.
if its not cool, I can dig.
any opinions out there?
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| | | 188 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 20:42
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does't bother me
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| | | 189 | Perm Dude
ID: 327423019
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 20:42
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No reason why you can't. Do it.
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| | | 190 | tree on the treo
ID: 407331116
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 20:59
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done.
for the record. I went with the second guy in my queue, because clyde had the same top guy as me, and I felt if I took him - having seen clyde's queue - I didn't want to get accussed of something improper.
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| | | 191 | Perm Dude
ID: 327423019
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 21:26
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Will pick in a sec. Want to look over another list first.
Anyone email punk?
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| | | 192 | Perm Dude
ID: 327423019
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 21:43
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Might have been too early to take Chatman, but he's come on strong in Miami and I can see him pulling a Willie Parker down there.
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| | | 193 | tree on the treo
ID: 407331116
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 22:43
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ill leave my queue on, in case we somehow come back to me again.
but please use it only for the 18th round and none beyond....
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| | | 194 | Baldwin
ID: 125312919
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 22:47
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Kafenatid automatically emails Punk.
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| | | 195 | Perm Dude
ID: 327423019
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 22:47
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I'm going to relax with a book for an hour or so, but will check in before I hit the sack.
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| | | 196 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 23:15
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Shoot. I picked a second DB for C_lide, not realizing he'd already gotten one.
Any way to switch it out ala Tree?
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| | | 197 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 23:18
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Dang. I can't even see his Q now. Tupid Krapinatid.
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| | | 198 | boikin
ID: 1671722
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 23:19
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i am going to be gone tommorrow i set up a queue but if it is empty when my turn comes up go ahead and skip me in the 18th round, i just make up the pick later. i should be around by the evening to make my 19th pick.
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| | | 199 | Punk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 23:20
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Son of a, sorry about that added a Queue today at noon before I left for work. But forgot to make it active. Sorry again for the hold up.
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| | | 200 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 23:49
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Uh. Guess not.
Clyde - if you read this when you got off work, post the WR you were gonna take in round 18, and hopefully Tree will put him in for you.
Sorry about that.
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| | | 201 | Perm Dude
ID: 327423019
Thu, Aug 30, 2007, 23:53
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OK, just picked. Punk, you're up.
Just refreshed by queue, and hope to get at least two of these guys tomorrow.
pd
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| | | 202 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 00:11
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here
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| | | 203 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 05:03
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If a player isn't in Kapitulatid's player list, I assume there is no problem with making the pick here, given that we don't have a prospect draft folling this draft?
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| | | 204 | tree on the treo
ID: 407331116
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 06:18
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1. if clyde posts the pick he prefers, ill swap it out. and I don't have the roster list here, but don't we need 2 DBs anywat?
2. mith...ive got no issues with picking a player not on the kaf database. I think you can email fred to ask him to add him...is the player In the yahoo database?
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| | | 205 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 06:44
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The player is in Yahoo.
I requested the player be added through KKB's link on the site. Hopefully there won't be an announcement on the site that the player has been added, which might show my hand.
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| | | 206 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 07:05
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2 rounds this morning and we're in like Flynn
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| | | 207 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 07:09
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Tree
If you find time at work today - and if it'll make it any easier for you this weekend, there's no reason why you can't begin entering rosters today.
In fact I wonder why Yahoo fantasy sports commissioners (including myself) always wait until the completion of a slow draft to begin the entry, especially in a draft that starts late or moves very slowly. Much of our concern this year for being ready in time could have been avoided if that had occurred to us.
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| | | 208 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 07:16
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My Q is good, in order, for all rounds today. Pick away.
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| | | 209 | Punk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 08:39
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I've got my Queue in and actually set to Avail today (Yay), but if for some reason it's used up for round 20 can you just force skip me Tree without the timer going up? I've gotta run to work early and won't be back till about 6pm.
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| | | 210 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 08:49
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If you find time at work today - and if it'll make it any easier for you this weekend, there's no reason why you can't begin entering rosters today.
for all our butting heads, we do think alike sometimes. i had this idea on the ride in today.
i'm much less worried now, as i think we really started rolling a bit last night.
regarding the Flex IDP position - this is last year's settings: QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/R, K, DB, DB, DL, DL, DL, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN
MITH - if you come up, and want that player, then post it here, and we'll skip your pick and when i do the input, i'll add it.
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| | | 211 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 09:25
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posted by Boikin at 11:19 pm last night:
i am going to be gone tommorrow i set up a queue but if it is empty when my turn comes up go ahead and skip me in the 18th round, i just make up the pick later. i should be around by the evening to make my 19th pick.
this was 38 minutes before his 18th round pick.
considering that he didn't leave a queue/instructions for longer than one round despite the fact we are VERY late in the draft, and at this point it's not hard to do that, and considering the fact that he's not going to be around until tonight, i see no problem with skipping him now instead of waiting for the 4-hour clock to expire.
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| | | 212 | myboyjack
ID: 47747317
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 09:26
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agreed - those were his instructions.
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| | | 213 | Perm Dude
ID: 9737318
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 09:43
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wake up, bili!
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| | | 214 | biliruben
ID: 5163789
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 10:27
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sorry. Bad night. Awakish.
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| | | 215 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 10:29
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Very busy at work today and I cannot queue my last pick. I've linked my work email addy. Someone please email me when I'm up and I'll post the pick here.
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| | | 216 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 12:42
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Darrell Revis. NYJ. DB.
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| | | 217 | Perm Dude
ID: 52737319
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 12:43
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tree, you'll have to make that pick.
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| | | 218 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 12:48
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i like how MITH was so secretive about that. i mean sheesh, would anyone other than a Jets fan have been chomping at the bit for that pick!?!?! :o)
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| | | 219 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 12:58
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Yeah just wait. They'll be saying Deion was almost as good as Revis by the end of this year.
:)
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| | | 220 | Perm Dude
ID: 52737319
Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 13:05
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Will pick in just a sec.
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| | | 221 | c_lide
ID: 5770274
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 07:04
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Tree, I think the player that you passed-on because they were #1 in my queue at the time was Sean Taylor, and you took Michael Turner? If that's right, I'd be willing to trade you Taylor for Turner.........but of course, since you have LT2, you might want to keep Turner as insurance? Or do I even have the right players--now that the draft is done, can't see the times picks were made--but I am pretty sure those are the guys.... Since I traded MBJ DeShaun Foster for Braylon Edwards, I only have 3 rb's, so would be willing to take a chance on Turner...................... And thanks to the biliruben blunder/debacle/booboo :) I've got Bob Sanders, so can give ya Sean Tayor if ya like :)
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| | | 222 | c_lide
ID: 5770274
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 07:22
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Sorry, everbody.....already changing name of my team..... won't happen again :)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20518952/?GT1=10252
From the above AP article:
Constant speculation of a sham marriage
The Craigs, whom friends described Thursday as loving and close, have been hounded for years by speculation that theirs is a sham marriage, designed to derail rumors of the senator's homosexuality that date to the 1980s sex scandal involving congressional pages and cocaine abuse.
"I am not gay," Craig declared in his much-replayed press conference from earlier this week. "I never have been gay."
Craig was arrested at the Minneapolis airport in June, but never told his wife, his family or his congressional colleagues, he admitted Tuesday, one day after a story about his arrest appeared in Roll Call, a Capitol Hill newspaper.
His hometown paper, the Idaho Statesman, had been investigating the senator for months. This week, it published a recently conducted interview in which a recording was played for the couple that contained the voice of a man who claimed he had oral sex with Craig in the men's room at Washington's Union Station.
Suzanne Craig's eyes reddened and filled with tears as she listened, the paper reported. "I'm incensed that you would even consider such a piece of trash as a credible source," she said.
"Jiminy God," her husband retorted.
How can I not use that as my team name???
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| | | 223 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 10:28
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Sweet.
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| | | 224 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 11:17
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Sorry again, Clyde. Normally it would have taken me 20 seconds to fix that for you and give you your WR. deKapitatid doesn't appear to have the ability.
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| | | 225 | c_lide
ID: 5770274
Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 15:10
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No worries, biliruben.......Only real problem is that freeny and b sanders both have same bye, week 6, but that aint a huge prob to deal with.......If tree wants sean taylor, will go with b sanders, just make waiver moves to cover week 6.......... What a sad day up here in the PNW -- One of the great political leaders of our time has just been forced to resign He was an honest man.........not :)
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| | | 226 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Sun, Sep 02, 2007, 11:15
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No volunteers and very few responses to the request that someone assume responsibility to receive, process and post waiver claims.
I'll handle the responsibility this year.
Send your requests to me at this address by 9pm on Tuesdays.
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| | | 227 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Sun, Sep 02, 2007, 11:27
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You rock, MITH. My life is just too hectic with a wee one right now to promise to do this in a timely fashion.
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| | | 228 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Sun, Sep 02, 2007, 11:36
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I do expect to need help for a few weeks, tho I don't know when. I rent in a co-op building and my landlady has been trying to sell this unit. She accepted an offer a couple of months back so I expect to be told I have to leave at some point, probably early in the season. Don't know how much notice I'll get, either. I figure time will be tough for me to find the week or two before I move and probably the week after as well.
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| | | 229 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Sun, Sep 02, 2007, 11:42
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I can probably cover you sporadically.
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| | | 230 | Tree
ID: 34101915
Sun, Sep 02, 2007, 11:56
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yea..well there were some volunteers...but, you decided to toss the olive branch to the ground...
anyway...draft results are in. check them out in the draft results part of the yahoo page.
i realize there are some mistakes.
PD should have Plaxico Burress instead of Derrick Burgess and PV should have Drew Bennett instead of Charles Bennett, but for some reason Yahoo isn't allowing me to go back and make these changes. it might be the rickety old lap top i'm on.
i'll make these changes first thing tuesday morning when i get into the office, or, monday night if my internet comes back,
i'll also officially start the league at the same time, so we can do some free agent pick ups if necessary.
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| | | 231 | c_lide
ID: 5770274
Sun, Sep 02, 2007, 16:21
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tree.
checked the yahoo draft results.......all looked good for my team, except I traded DeShaun Foster to MBJ for Braylon Edwards..........
Thnx, clyde
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| | | 232 | Baldwin
ID: 125312919
Mon, Sep 03, 2007, 22:53
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Mine looks right.
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| | | 233 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 08:40
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season has "begun".
double check your rosters.
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| | | 234 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 09:48
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How do waivers work again?
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| | | 235 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 09:56
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post 121 for in-season waivers.
for now, once the initial one day waiver period ends, then it's a free-for-all until game time on thursday, i do believe.
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| | | 236 | boikin
ID: 59831214
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 10:11
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my roster looks good, i emailed in a waiver request.
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| | | 237 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 11:30
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Boikin, et al
Each week, unowned players go on waivers at the start of their game each week. Since no games have started yet this week, as of this writing no players are on waivers and you do not have to submit any claims to me at this time.
There will be no waiver requests porcessed and posted tonight. The first waiver deadline is one week from tonight.
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| | | 238 | boikin
ID: 59831214
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 11:36
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MITH, how do i pick the players up then, yahoo has players in the waiver system right now.
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| | | 239 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 11:52
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You add them as you normally would if we didn't have this system. All players are available the "normal" way (whether Yahoo lists them as free agents or 'on waivers') until 8:30pm EST on Thursday night.
At that time, the NO/IND game begins and all New Orleans and Indianapolis players go on waivers, and are therefore only available via email request to me.
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| | | 240 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 13:22
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players start off on Waivers. i'm not sure of the EXACT timing for Yahoo, but it's for one day.
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| | | 241 | boikin
ID: 59831214
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 15:07
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ok i just applied for the drop and add through yahoo they will be off waivers on the 6th, hopefully it will before changing lineup dead line or will be with out a team this week.
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| | | 242 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 16:13
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if the player comes off Yahoo waivers on the 6th and your claim is successful, he should be on your roster by the morning of the 7th.
I believe the deadline to activate players on your roster (move them from the bench to a starting slot) is the player's game time. Assuming that's correct, you should be fine unless the player you claimed is with NO or IND.
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| | | 243 | boikin
ID: 59831214
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 14:48
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the problem is you can not have starting line up if you can not fill every roster and i need to pick up a player to fill my roster.
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| | | 244 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 15:49
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I don't think that's true, Boikin. I know with Yahoo's baseball game you can leave slots empty and still score from all the other slots.
Roster slots don't lock until the player's gametime. I have to imagine that someone must have missed an early game or a Thursday start somewhere along the road last season and I think I'd recall if anyone wound up getting shut out as a result.
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| | | 245 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 15:51
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If that's true, it's news to me. I think I benched a guy who could only hurt me one Monday, with no disastrous result.
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| | | 246 | Baldwin
ID: 125312919
Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 17:26
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Boikin has that wrong.
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| | | 247 | Punk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 21:20
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Tax didn't set his lineup and missing out on a handful of players.
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| | | 248 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 10:07
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it looks like Clyde made a transaction this morning, dropping Robert Meachem and adding Selvin Young.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but i do believe that move is illegal, as Meachem's game for the week happened last night.
if so, i'll reverse.
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| | | 249 | Perm Dude
ID: 1481279
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 10:12
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I think he can make the move, but Yahoo won't count stats more that one time per position per week.
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| | | 250 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 10:37
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Well the problem is that we don't know exactly when he made the move. It was a free agent pickup so if the wait period is set to the shortest setting allowable, he should have made the transaction yesterday. But have no way of knowing whether this was before or after the start of last night's game.
This is a terrible flaw in our waiver system, making it largely irrelevant. Very surprising that this didn't come up already after 2 full seasons.
The way to fix it is to change the cutoff to 11:59pm (according to the Yahoo clock) on the night before the start of a player's game.
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| | | 251 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 10:53
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Well the problem is that we don't know exactly when he made the move.
per Yahoo, it was at 6:51 am, on 9/7. that's today.
it's a FA pickup, not a waiver pick up, which means it's instant. if he did it before the game, it would have reflected that time, no?
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| | | 252 | Perm Dude
ID: 1481279
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 11:23
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From what I can see, he moved a bench player for a bench player.
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| | | 253 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 11:51
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Tree
it's a FA pickup, not a waiver pick up, which means it's instant.
I don't think so. When you make a free agent pick up, if the wait period is set to the minimum time allowed (zero days?) the transaction reflects on the following day's roster. You cannot make a free agent pickup on on Sunday morning and have the new player available that afternoon.
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| | | 254 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 12:03
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From what I can see, he moved a bench player for a bench player.
doesn't matter. it was still a player who's team had a game last night.
I don't think so. When you make a free agent pick up, if the wait period is set to the minimum time allowed (zero days?) the transaction reflects on the following day's roster. You cannot make a free agent pickup on on Sunday morning and have the new player available that afternoon.
not in football, because your roster is done weekly.
i just dropped one player and picked up another an hour ago, and i can slide that new player into my startling line up right now.
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| | | 255 | Perm Dude
ID: 1481279
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 12:06
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But are you replacing a player who played already?
I really don't see the problem here. He's not getting extra points.
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| | | 256 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 12:07
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If that transaction reflected on your roster immediately then there's the answer. Clyde can't pick up that player.
Are you able to reverse it?
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| | | 257 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 12:20
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PD - the point is that we can't have transactions with teams that have already played games.
and MITH, i'm pretty sure i can reverse it, we'll find out in a minute...
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| | | 258 | Perm Dude
ID: 1481279
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 12:23
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Why not, if it won't count until next week? Because of the waiver system?
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| | | 259 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 12:24
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PD
While Clyde may not be benefitting in the form of any extra points this week, he has asserted for himself access to a player that is supposed to be off limits until Wednesday.
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| | | 260 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 12:26
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While Clyde may not be benefitting in the form of any extra points this week, he has asserted for himself access to a player that is supposed to be off limits until Wednesday.
sort of.
maybe I'm misunderstanding the rules, but it's not that the player he picked up is off limits, but rather, the player he dropped.
a player who's team has already played is "locked" into your roster, and i'm pretty sure if we had a Plus league, it would automatically have rejected this move....
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| | | 262 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 12:31
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but it's not that the player he picked up is off limits, but rather, the player he dropped.
Yeah I just realized that. I thought he picked up a Colts player.
I don't know.
I don't have time to do it now but a review of the waiver system rules is in order. My inclination is that the pickup is legal - which may be a loophole.
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| | | 263 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 13:09
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I'd explain to c_lide that he violated some rule, but I don't understand it myself.
Could someone state succinctly what he did and why it is wrong?
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| | | 264 | Punk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 13:37
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Players are locked at game time for our league. Which I believe has been said a few times in this thread prior to it. (Or I saw it somewhere). This morning he dropped someone from Indy that due to our rules should have been locked until Mith processes our waivers next week. At least that's how I understand it.
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| | | 265 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 13:38
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You can't drop someone? I don't recall that.
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| | | 266 | Perm Dude
ID: 1481279
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 13:46
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Perhaps the rule is that all players are locked for the week from the beginning of the first game of the week and "unlocked" through the waiver system for the following week only, after which the FA system is open?
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| | | 267 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 14:12
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You can't drop someone? I don't recall that.
Using what Clyde did.
Robert Meachem's team played last night.
This morning, Clyde dropped Meachem, and picked up Selvin Young, who's team plays Sunday.
This, for all intents and purposes, gives Clyde and extra roster spot for the week, because there is nothing to prevent him from playing Young on Sunday.
It's real simple. Once a player's team plays, his roster slot "locks". If his slot is locked, you can't do a roster move with him.
Had clyde dropped another player to pick up Young, there would be no problem.
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| | | 268 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 14:35
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I'm not entirely sure that Clyde did something that is against our established rules but I am surprised to see that he was able to move Meacham.
I don't have any Colts or Saints players on my roster. Would someone who started a Colts or Saints player this week tell us whether you are able to move him out of his slot in the lineup?
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| | | 269 | Perm Dude
ID: 1481279
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 14:56
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No, you can't move them. They are locked.
But I started both my Saints players--maybe a benched Saints/Indy player can be moved.
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| | | 270 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 15:08
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I'm still not clear what the problem is, but I sent him an email saying there is a problem!
Why is dropping a guy who already played illegal?
The reason why we have this silly WW system is because we wanted to give WW priority to those with worse records, right?
We also wanted to retain the flexibility to make moves up until game time if you need a player, right?
I don't understand why whether someone has played or not has any relevance to either of those goals above. Why would it matter?
Sorry if I'm being dense here, it just seems like we are trying to make a distinction without a purpose.
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| | | 271 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 15:25
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i thought post 267 was a decent explanation.
Dropping a player who has already played, and picking up a player who hasn't, gives you an extra player for the week.
We also wanted to retain the flexibility to make moves up until game time if you need a player, right?
exactly. But you can't drop a player from a team who has already played. as i said, if he had dropped someone else to acquire Young, there wouldn't be an issue.
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| | | 272 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 15:34
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I guess I'm just not seeing the advantage Clyde gained. It's not like he gets to play an extra player.
I guess it theoretically provides some small additional flexibility, but the chances of it actually mattering in reality are so minuscule that I can't believe anyone noticed, and then actually cared enough that they mentioned it. Particularly given the apathy in this league surrounding things that actually do matter a great deal!
Anyway, that's fine. Just as long as we are clear.
Would insisting Clyde leave the player on the bench be a sufficient fix?
He probably simply didn't get a chance to make roster moves this week until then, as the window when FAs were available was pretty small.
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| | | 273 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 15:36
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I guess I'm just not seeing the advantage Clyde gained. It's not like he gets to play an extra player.
why doesn't he? i mean, all he has to do is put Young into his starting roster.
Would insisting Clyde leave the player on the bench be a sufficient fix?
no, because then we set the precedent and need to babysit every team forever.
He probably simply didn't get a chance to make roster moves this week until then, as the window when FAs were available was pretty small.
there were/are other players he can drop.
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| | | 274 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 15:45
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why doesn't he? i mean, all he has to do is put Young into his starting roster.
No, he would be substituting young for a another active player, not getting an additional active player.
Well there were other players he could have dropped, but what rational person would, absent speculating that there would be some esoteric rule that no one who even played previously new or was clear about?
Are you going to at least give him an opportunity to drop someone else for Young?
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| | | 275 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 15:45
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I think I'm with Bili and PD now that it's sorted out. As long as you aren't able to start an extra player, I don't see the issue.
I suppose there is a slight advantage in being able to give yourself an extra available player after the start of the first game, but if you're only able to move a player who was benched for that first game to begin with, I don't see how it's worth changing the rules after the season has started.
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| | | 276 | Perm Dude
ID: 1481279
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 15:46
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He can put him into the starting lineup, but then he has to take someone out of his starting lineup. Bili is right: He doesn't get an extra player, because he only has so many starting positions (and no more).
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| | | 277 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 16:28
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Are you going to at least give him an opportunity to drop someone else for Young?
i've said all along that wouldn't be a problem. why would i suddenly swerve on that?
I don't see how it's worth changing the rules after the season has started.
i don't see it as changing rules. i've never played in a league where you could involve a player who's team already played in a transaction. - to me, allowing that, is changing the rules in mid-stream.
i know this is counter to poli-thinking, but fantasy ball is supposed to be fun, every single rule does not need to be spelled out. there are certain accepted norms, and not being able to involve a player who's team has already played in a transaction is one of them.
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| | | 278 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 16:37
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So input from the rest of the league on the issue is irrelevant to you?
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| | | 279 | c_lide
ID: 5770274
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 16:38
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I kinda wondered when I made the move last nite if it was legal, since New Orleans had already played.......I went ahead and dropped a diff player, added S Young again.......I tend to agree with Tree on this, it does, in effect, give you an "extra roster spot", not just looking at starters/bench, because I could, if I wanted, still start S Young this week (not gonna, but I could).................True, you only have so many starting positons, but I was dropping a guy whose team had already played, and getting a guy I could theoretically still use this week -- Doesn't give an advantage as far as #'s, but, as MITH explained in post 121:
We decided last year to opt out of Yahoo's default system where free agents can be picked up anytime. The major reason I believe was to avoid the situation where RBs 1 and 2 go down on Sunday and a player suddenly becomes valuable and goes to the 1st person to go to the computer. Some people are away many Sundays, some aren't near a computer and some just don't want to have to follow all injuries and rush to the computer when a player suddenly becomes valuable.
But, using this example -- Say Seahawks S. Alexander and Maurice Morris both get hurt in the walk-thru practice at the hotel Sat. nite.......I could still pick-up Seahawk rb #3 (whoever that is) up until kickoff, 1:15 pacific, right?
Like I said, though, I do agree with you, Tree, that my dropping Meachem after his team had played did, in effect, give me xtra roster spot..........
Clyde
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| | | 280 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 16:49
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So input from the rest of the league on the issue is irrelevant to you?
yea, that's it. look - you've had issues with me ever since you and your boy booted me out of a baseball league last year because, from what i gather, you didn't like competitive players.
but why are we suddenly changing long established things because a couple people in the league want to? that defies all logic and sense.
But, using this example -- Say Seahawks S. Alexander and Maurice Morris both get hurt in the walk-thru practice at the hotel Sat. nite.......I could still pick-up Seahawk rb #3 (whoever that is) up until kickoff, 1:15 pacific, right?
absolutely. imho, as long as you're not dropping a guy who's team has already played.
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| | | 281 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 16:56
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Dang. c_lide. Doing the research.
Glad I invited you, man.
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| | | 282 | c_lide
ID: 5770274
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 16:59
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I'm just embarrased that I don't know who Seahawk rb #3 is..........what kinda Hawk fan am I??? :)
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| | | 283 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 17:04
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why are we suddenly changing long established things because a couple people in the league want to?
You're the one changing rules. You wrote: "i've never played in a league where you could involve a player who's team already played in a transaction". I don't know anything about your personal experience but an awful lot of people play in free Yahoo leagues and I'm quite sure the vast majority don't incorporate elaborate external regulations like we do here.
So while allowing something that does not break any established regulations might be "changing the rules in mid-stream" to you, as you put it, to some of us it might not be.
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| | | 284 | Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 21:59
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There's no question that Clyde should be disqualified this week. The fact that he's playing my team has no bearing on my position.
(Do I really need a smiley face?)
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| | | 285 | c_lide
ID: 5770274
Sat, Sep 08, 2007, 07:56
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I know you're afraid of that 1-0 lead I've got on ya...........oh, wait, this aint hockey--nevermind..........
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| | | 286 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 16:27
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ack.
That's what a Bill's fan gets for playing Elam.
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| | | 287 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 10:20
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So we are sending the waiver claims to you, MITH, before 6 pm pacific tonight?
What email should we use?
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| | | 288 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 10:47
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My email is linked in post 226.
Gotta love scoring a win with the third-lowest point total for the week.
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| | | 289 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 16:52
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Claims Sent.
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| | | 290 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 21:27
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The first waiver claims of 2007 have been processed and posted. I received claims from 6 managers, including myself.
We have until tomorrow night at 10pm EST to claim our new property. At that time the claims become void and the free agent market is a normal free-for-all until the start of Week 2 games.
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| | | 291 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 01:08
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I have jumped the gun..picked up Archuleta.
Do I need to drop him? He wasn't claimed thru the waiver process.
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| | | 292 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 12:28
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fixed...
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| | | 293 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 13:48
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Thanks for orchestrating the waivers, maestro MITH.
MBJ - I gots you in my sights week 6.
Fortunately for you, my team is having a group retreat. 11 players on bye. Brilliant drafting!
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| | | 294 | Punk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 17:15
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I like how you put that Bili.
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| | | 295 | Punk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 18:49
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Wow big TD day.
Palmer 6 TD, Rudi 1 TD, Smith 3 TD, Galloway 2 TD, Williams 1 TD
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| | | 296 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 22:28
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Nice!
All I got was Chad.
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| | | 297 | biliruben
ID: 4911361723
Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 22:44
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I told my wife that story, and she started to cry.
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| | | 298 | Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 08:47
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Poor Clyde. He scores over 200 points but has the bad luck to face Punk's juggernaut. He's probably thinking the game is rigged.
As for MITH and the Mentors, all that separates you and defeat is a catch and a tackle tonight.
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| | | 299 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 09:06
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Yeah most of the day we were thinking we were going to take it.
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| | | 300 | Perm Dude
ID: 43825178
Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 09:34
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Need a good night from Moss to squeeze out a W tonight. Brees didn't do as sucky as I thought he would.
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| | | 301 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 13:06
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re: 297 - that was supposed to be in the "ton o bricks" thread. Chad's performance did make me cry, however.
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| | | 303 | c_lide
ID: 5770274
Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 16:38
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OK, Bili, I guess I gotta forgive ya for drafting Bob Sanders...........Turns out he's my best defensive player :) Now, if I'd just drafted me some RB's, I just might be a little more competitive.........Also doesn't help that I am relying on the NY Giants Offense way too much :(
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| | | 304 | biliruben
ID: 17502215
Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 17:06
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Heck of a turn, this week. The two highest performances yet this year, and they end up banging into eachother.
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| | | 305 | Punk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Tue, Sep 18, 2007, 00:00
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Good match C_lide!
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| | | 306 | Perm Dude
ID: 43825178
Tue, Sep 18, 2007, 00:02
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That last quarter was very tough to watch. Moss was wide open for a huge TD and gets overthrown. In another leage my opponent has McNabb, who picked away and picked away and almost threw and INT in the end. Argh. Lost that game by about 1 point.
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| | | 308 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Fri, Aug 03, 2012, 21:28
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Continuing this season?
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| | | 313 | Boldwin
ID: 18643169
Sun, Aug 05, 2012, 18:26
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It was just an active thread, the furthest back poliboard football thread. I thot it would be good to save it.
See langoliere comment #307
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| | | 316 | Boldwin
ID: 18643169
Mon, Aug 06, 2012, 04:17
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I'll run it if no one else will, but someone else will have to start the appropriate threads. Draft discussion thread, draft thread, keepers thread.
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| | | 317 | Boldwin
ID: 18643169
Mon, Aug 06, 2012, 04:43
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Maybe a few easily buffaloed non-commitals left around for sport.
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| | | 318 | Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 09:30
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If we're going to continue to have a Poli football league, we need to get going.
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| | | 319 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 10:07
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I emailed astade Monday, and have not heard anything. He may be in another league here. Not sure we can count on him.
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| | | 320 | Tree
ID: 17039238
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 10:17
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If we're going to continue to have a Poli football league, we need to get going.
PV - did you not get the invite - along with Astade and Bili, and you're one of the 3 who hasn't signed up yet.
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| | | 321 | boikin
ID: 532592112
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 10:28
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can someone refresh me on the keeper rules?
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| | | 322 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 11:45
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Keep 4 offensive and 2 defensive players. Then you can go into yahoo and enter them.
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| | | 323 | Boldwin
ID: 57242212
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 13:25
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Does ANYONE have Astade's contact information? He is all that is holding up our Football league. Not faulting him as it was next to impossible to catch up with league action the last two weeks.
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| | | 324 | Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 15:10
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I never got an invite.
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| | | 325 | Boldwin
ID: 57242212
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 15:26
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It's got to be in your e-mail. Check the right e-mail account.
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| | | 326 | Pancho Villa
ID: 59645318
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 15:32
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What right e-mail account? I never got one. I get everything from the baseball league, so there should be no mystery.
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| | | 327 | Tree
ID: 397412215
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 16:44
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i'll re-send this evening.
it auto-sent to everyone who played last season. maybe it ended up in your spam filter?
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| | | 328 | astade
ID: 517342216
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 17:46
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Yeah. It was in my SPAM folder. Thanks to everyone that sent me a gentle reminder. I'm enrolled in the league and I have set my keepers! Looking forward to 2012 :)
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| | | 329 | Boldwin
ID: 57242212
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 22:41
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Astade's in. It looks to me like PV and bili are our late-comers.
Tree. Can you sent league password and ID number to them in case they can't find the e-mail signup?
My addy is there if anyone wants to give me their contact info to facilitate this.
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| | | 330 | Tree
ID: 17039238
Wed, Aug 22, 2012, 23:28
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invites re-sent. not sure if bili's was correct....
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