Forum: pol
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Subject: Political Forum Baseball 2008

  Posted by: Perm Dude - [2609178] Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 13:05
Thanks to Zen for the email kick in the pants. It is time to start up the league again. We might need to replace one manager (maybe more) but let's get a headcount by posting here.

pd
 
1biliruben
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2wiggs
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3Seattle Zen
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4Tree
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5Myboyjack
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6Boldwin
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      Thu, Jan 17, 2008, 19:33 		As if there was ever any doubt, I am all the way

in.
 
7nerveclinic
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      Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 16:01
nerve IN Dubai

 
8Myboyjack
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      Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 16:44 		BTW, it looks like I'll be in Europe the last 2 weeks of March. I'm sure that if nerve can draft from Dubai, I'll be able to do from Munich and Prague or wherever, but just letting y'all know the issue.
 
9Tree
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      Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 16:54 		and the LAST weekend of March, i'll be in Orlando for Wrestlemania, and two Ring of Honor shows...
 
10nerveclinic
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      Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 18:17

I'll be able to do from Munich and Prague or wherever, but just letting y'all know the issue.

I'm jealous already.

If you want to hit Berlin I can point you in the direction of some truly decadent clubs.

If you are as close as Munich, Berlin is a must.

 
11Myboyjack
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      Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 18:34 		Don't want to highjack the thread..but....

I'll being staying with my sister who lives close to the border with France in western Germany south of Frankfurt. We're defintiely hitting Munich, Bern, Vienna and Prague and I'll prolly gut out a trip to Paris for the girls. London is actually a faster trip than Berlin so I'm not sure we're going north.


My sister and brother-in-law will be touring us around some but any must sees that aren't obvious would be of much interest.
 
12Perm Dude
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      Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 18:38 		Sweet! Probably too far to get to Barcelona, but that is one of the most beautiful cities in the world.
 
13biliruben
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      Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 18:42 		My recommendation, it ain't worth much, is focus.

Two weeks will go by fast. Stick with what your hosts know, you'll probably enjoy it better than trying to see everything and ending up seeing just a blur.
 
14biliruben
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      Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 18:43 		What I meant to say is, get your priorities straight. Cancel the trip and draft. ;)

Barring that, find an internet cafe and camp out there.
 
15Myboyjack
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      Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 18:44 		I've been to Barcelona a couple of times. One of my favorite places. Was there right after xmas and was an amazing place to be. Very thick chocholate caliente grande.
 
16Seattle Zen
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      Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 18:48 		Highjack away! I'm jealous as well, sounds great.
 
17PuNk42AE
      Donor
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      Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 21:45 		In
 
18Tree
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      Fri, Jan 18, 2008, 22:42 		I've been to Barcelona a couple of times. One of my favorite places.

we DO have something in common. Barcelona is without question one of the best places i've ever visited.
 
19Taxman
      SuperDude
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      Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 13:11 		In

...would like to see the rules & league "set up" (positions, scoring categories, # of keepers, draft set up...etc) to get an idea of league operation before draft planning.

I'm also clueless on who the commish is. I don't have access to my (Toral's) roster (nor anyone else's) and that would be a large help.

Happy (belated) NEW YEAR to all.
 
20Pancho
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      Sat, Jan 19, 2008, 13:35 		I'm in.

However, the kids and I(and whoever else can fit) are exploring taking an entire month this summer on an extended mostly camping trip to the Tetons, Yellowstone, Glacier Nat'l Park, the Canadian Rockies, the Idaho panhandle and home. There will be extended periods with no internet access, but once a week we'll likely grab a motel where I can plug in.
So, if you see an injured player in my starting lineup for a week or so, I'm not dogging it, I'm just looking for an internet cafe in Cranbrook, BC.
 
21nerveclinic
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      Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 16:57
Taxman

would like to see the rules & league "set up" (positions, scoring categories, # of keepers, draft set up...etc) to get an idea of league operation before draft planning.

Wow that's a tough one...seriously.

I think you should start by doing a search of political baseball and read the various threads. There isn't a "rules book" per say and it gets complicated.

Start looking at the threads and ask questions and we will all jump in and help.

Maybe we even need a Political baseball newbie members rules thread where we can start to spell it all out for you.

With the minor league bench it's a bit complicated.

We have plenty of time and we are all happy to help.

 
22nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 17:02
if your team was taxes..heres the lineup

Garrett Atkins
Pat Burrell
Edwin Encarnación
Alex Gordon
Torii Hunter
David Ortiz
Mike Piazza
Brian Roberts
Skip Schumaker
Grady Sizemore
Troy Tulowitzki

Scott Baker
Joaquín Benoit
Chad Billingsley
Francisco Cordero
Doug Davis
Roy Halladay
Josh Johnson
John Maine
Brad Penny
Ben Sheets
David Weathers
 
23biliruben
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      Sun, Jan 20, 2008, 19:42 		someplace to start:


OFFICIAL RULES* – Rotoguru Politics Forum Baseball League

1. Regular Rosters.
a) Only players in Yahoo! Are eligible to be drafted for and/or played on your Yahoo! Rosters.
b) Each roster will have 21 players.
c) Up to 7 of the players from the previous year’s roster (including the DL) can be reserved for next year’s team.
d) The draft will be in reverse order of the previous year’s finish.

2. Prospect Rosters.
a) Any player with fewer than 300 AB or 125 IP in official regular season major league games is a “prospect”.
b) Each year you can keep up to 3 “prospects” from the previous year’s prospect roster for next year’s prospect roster.
c) On or around May 1 of each season, a “prospect draft” will be held. Any prospect that is not otherwise reserved is eligible to be drafted.
d) This draft will consist of up to 5 rounds to ensure that every team has the opportunity to fill all 5 prospect roster slots.
e) While a player maintains his “prospect status” as defined in part (a), any player on a “Prospect Roster” is reserved for the so-designated team. After the said player achieves those career totals, the owner will have 7 days (until 12:00 AM PT of the 8th day following the change from “prospect” status) to transfer the player to his active team, or all rights to the player will be forfeit.
f) The draft order of the Prospect draft will be held in the opposite direction of the Active Draft. I.e., the team with the 14th pick in the Active Draft will draft first in the Prospect draft.
g) If a team has prospects on their prospect draft roster when the draft begins, they will forfeit the same numbers of picks as players on their roster. Thus, a team with 2 players already on their prospect roster would only pick in the first three rounds of the draft.
h) If a manager fails to pick within 24 hours, the draft will continue. During the remainder of the draft, the manager can retroactively make his selection.
i) Each owner is responsible for verifying that any active-roster free-agent acquisition is NOT on a team’s prospect list. Failure to do so may result in applicable penalties to be decided by the commissioner.
j) Prior Rule. Until the Prospect Draft is concluded, no prospect that was ineligible for the regular draft can be acquired by any team.
k) Any player on a prospect roster that is added to an official Yahoo! regular roster is automatically removed from the team’s prospect list.

3. General Rules

a) For all rules and regulations regarding proper conduct and scoring of Active Roster players, see Yahoo! rules, and the league settings.
b) If there is any issue that arises that is not covered by the above rules, the commissioner has the right to take fair and appropriate action to resolve the situation.
c) Any team owner can propose an amendment to these rules. After a proposal is made, there will be a 24 hour discussion period followed by a vote.
i. If a proposal to change a rule receives 10 votes, it passes. If there are 5 votes against, it fails.
ii. If a proposal to clarify or add a rule receives 8 votes, it passes; 7 votes against and it fails.







* Rules as of 3/24/05
 
24Action Figure
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      Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 02:32 		I'm in.
 
25coldwater coyotes
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      Mon, Jan 21, 2008, 11:27 		In
 
26Seattle Zen
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      Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 12:36 		Everyone is back save Sox, which I think we all expected. Let's consider to whom we would like to extend an invitation.
 
27Myboyjack
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      Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 12:46 		Any previous managers we can conjole back in (MITH)?
 
28 Perm Dude
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      Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 00:10 		Just so I've got everything updated, would you all send me an email so that the necessary offline discussions can take place through the email address you'd prefer. Thanks.
 
29Taxman
      SuperDude
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      Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 13:04 		Thanks billi

Much appreciated.
 
30biliruben
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      Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 14:30 		No sweat, Tax.


A couple of provisos:

Those rules were in dispute, but the person who disputed them didn't make it clear (at least to me) why, and he is sadly no longer with us.

The rules have changed since they were written 3 years ago. Every year we vote on new rules, I seem to recall a couple of them passing, though I don't remember which ones off the top of my head.



Here's last year's thread.

Here's one from 2005

... and 2006.

Anyone with a bit of time and an organized mind want to take a stab at an update?
 
31C1-NRB
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      Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 14:31 		Could I throw my hat in for consideration?
 
32biliruben
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      Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 18:40 		Sure C1-NRB, though I think we have a line on a past player to fill our 1 spot. But we'll definitely keep you in mind. If not this year, maybe next.
 
33C1-NRB
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      Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 22:48 		I 'preciate the nod.
Let me know.
 
34nerveclinic
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      Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 07:07
Tree mentioned it was "almost time to pick keepers", Don't we do that end of February?

 
35Taxman
      SuperDude
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      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 01:19 		Bili ... the reference to 2005 thread is to Poli Football Rules ...best I could tell ..no rule changes were passed in 2006 or 2007. Just cussed and discussed.

Any league member: that knows...could you fill in the following blanks please. What isn't in rules (meat and potatoes stuff)is:

1) H2H or Roto

2) game day positions

3) scoring categories, and

4)limits on innings pitched/games played


Lastly...who are my Prospects? For that matter, could I see everyone's current prospects? Sorry for being a pain...but not having access to last year's Yahoo league limits my draft prep ability.
 
36nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 01:30 		taxman

prospects

link

If anyone has traded prospects they will need to fill in the blanks.

I have Clay Bucholz (?) on my bench.

Innings pitched is the limit of innings all your pitcher combined can throw it's either 1200 or 1250 I will have to check league from last year.

We are a roto league not head 2 head.

scoring categories are typical 5x5 roto.

game day positions are who you have in each position slot each day.


 
37Taxman
      SuperDude
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      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 01:44 		typical is: HR, R, RBI SB and ??(avg or OB%)
and W, S, ERA, K and WHIP

game day positions...let's restate the queery.

How many C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, UTIL, DH, SP, RP, P .,..,can play on a given day..thus leaving how many on the bench (Total Roster is 21)
 
38Tree
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      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 06:41 		we use Avg over OBP...

stat categories are:
R, HR, RBI, SB, AVG, W, SV, K, ERA, WHIP

daily positions are:
C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL, DL

max games per position is 162.
max IP is 1250.

hope that helps...
 
39nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 06:47
(avg or OB%) ,/i>

Sorry for the confusion, I've always thought of Avg. as being the 5x5 standard.

 
40Seattle Zen
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      Tue, Feb 05, 2008, 12:47 		Here are the rosters, Taxman

Seattle Zen


Josh Bard (SD - C)
Mark Ellis (Oak - 2B)
Khalil Greene (SD - SS)
Matt Holliday (Col - OF)
Chipper Jones (Atl - 3B)
Carlos Lee (Hou - OF)
Justin Morneau (Min - 1B)
Juan Pierre (LAD - OF)
Hanley Ramírez (Fla - SS)
Gary Sheffield (Det - 1B,OF)


Jason Bergmann (Was - SP,RP)
Rafael Betancourt (Cle - RP)
Cole Hamels (Phi - SP)
Rich Hill (ChC - SP)
Tim Lincecum (SF - SP)
Jake Peavy (SD - SP)
Chris Ray (Bal - RP)
Joakim Soria (KC - RP)
Jeff Suppan (Mil - SP)
José Valverde (Hou - RP)
Chris Young (SD - SP)


Perm Dude

Robinson Canó (NYY - 2B)
Chone Figgins (LAA - 2B,3B,OF)
Jack Hannahan (Oak - 1B,3B)
Norris Hopper (Cin - OF)
Adam LaRoche (Pit - 1B)
Kenny Lofton (Cle - OF)
Víctor Martínez (Cle - C,1B)
Kazuo Matsui (Hou - 2B)
Jhonny Peralta (Cle - SS)
Wily Mo Peña (Was - OF)
Shane Victorino (Phi - OF)

Brian Bannister (KC - SP)
Jeremy Bonderman (Det - SP)
Joe Borowski (Cle - RP)
Bryan Bullington (Pit - SP)
Fausto Carmona (Cle - SP,RP)
Tom Glavine (Atl - SP)
Orlando Hernández (NYM - SP)
Jamie Moyer (Phi - SP)
Pat Neshek (Min - RP)
Kerry Wood (ChC - SP,RP)

Action Figures

Yuniesky Betancourt (Sea - SS)
Johnny Damon (NYY - OF)
Jermaine Dye (CWS - OF)
Akinori Iwamura (TB - 3B)
Andruw Jones (LAD - OF)
Brian McCann (Atl - C)
Hunter Pence (Hou - OF)
Jarrod Saltalamacchia (Tex - C,1B)
Ichiro Suzuki (Sea - OF)
Dan Uggla (Fla - 2B)


José Contreras (CWS - SP)
Kelvim Escobar (LAA - SP)
Édgar González (Ari - SP,RP)
Kevin Gregg (Fla - SP,RP)
Jason Hammel (TB - SP,RP)
Aaron Harang (Cin - SP)
Kei Igawa (NYY - SP)
Randy Johnson (Ari - SP)
Kevin Millwood (Tex - SP)
Troy Percival (TB - RP)
Al Reyes (TB - RP)
Rafael Soriano (Atl - RP)

Wiggs

Carlos Delgado (NYM - 1B)
Curtis Granderson (Det - OF)
Carlos Guillén (Det - 1B,SS)
José Guillén (KC - OF)
Orlando Hudson (Ari - 2B)
Gary Matthews Jr. (LAA - OF)
Magglio Ordóñez (Det - OF)
Dustin Pedroia (Bos - 2B,SS)
Scott Rolen (Tor - 3B)
B.J. Upton (TB - 2B,3B,OF)
Jason Varitek (Bos - C)
Chris Young (Ari - OF)
Michael Young (Tex - SS)


Josh Beckett (Bos - SP)
Mark Buehrle (CWS - SP)
Eric Gagne (Mil - RP)
Scott Kazmir (TB - SP)
Pedro Martínez (NYM - SP)
Brett Myers (Phi - SP,RP)
Mariano Rivera (NYY - RP)
Billy Wagner (NYM - RP)
Chien-Ming Wang (NYY - SP)

MBJ/Aum Mountain Wizards

Miguel Cabrera (Det - 3B)
Mike Cameron (Mil - OF)
Jack Cust (Oak - OF)
Adam Dunn (Cin - OF)
Adrián González (SD - 1B)
Ken Griffey Jr. (Cin - OF)
Brendan Harris (Min - 2B,SS)
Corey Hart (Mil - OF)
Derek Jeter (NYY - SS)
Ian Kinsler (Tex - 2B)
Felipe López (Was - 2B,SS)
Joe Mauer (Min - C)
Carlos Peña (TB - 1B)


Heath Bell (SD - RP)
Jonathan Broxton (LAD - RP)
Ted Lilly (ChC - SP)
Shaun Marcum (Tor - SP,RP)
Fernando Rodney (Det - RP)
B.J. Ryan (Tor - RP)
Ian Snell (Pit - SP)
Carlos Zambrano (ChC - SP)
Joel Zumaya (Det - RP)

Vampirez/Punk

Adrián Béltre (Sea - 3B)
Bobby Crosby (Oak - SS)
J.D. Drew (Bos - OF)
Jeff Francoeur (Atl - OF)
Ryan Freel (Cin - 2B,3B,OF)
Kelly Johnson (Atl - 2B,OF)
Derrek Lee (ChC - 1B)
Jorge Posada (NYY - C)
Aramis Ramírez (ChC - 3B)
Freddy Sánchez (Pit - 2B,3B,SS)
Kevin Youkilis (Bos - 1B,3B,OF)
Delmon Young (Min - OF)


Armando Benítez (Fla - RP)
A.J. Burnett (Tor - SP)
Joba Chamberlain (NYY - RP)
Yovani Gallardo (Mil - SP)
Rich Harden (Oak - SP)
Todd Jones (Det - RP)
Nate Robertson (Det - SP)
Jorge Sosa (NYM - SP,RP)
Justin Verlander (Det - SP)
Adam Wainwright (StL - SP,RP)
Dontrelle Willis (Det - SP)

???/Sox

Joe Crede (CWS - 3B)
Michael Cuddyer (Min - 1B,OF)
David DeJesús (KC - OF)
Matt Diaz (Atl - OF)
J.J. Hardy (Mil - SS)
Aubrey Huff (Bal - 1B,3B,OF)
Tadahito Iguchi (SD - 2B)
Conor Jackson (Ari - 1B)
Kenji Johjima (Sea - C)
Julio Lugo (Bos - 2B,3B,SS)
Hideki Matsui (NYY - OF)
Plácido Polanco (Det - 2B)
Mark Reynolds (Ari - 3B)
Frank Thomas (Tor - Util)


Joe Blanton (Oak - SP)
Kason Gabbard (Tex - SP)
Scott Linebrink (CWS - RP)
Francisco Liriano (Min - SP,RP)
Daisuke Matsuzaka (Bos - SP)
Matt Morris (Pit - SP) 198.2
Kenny Rogers (Det - SP)
Brandon Webb (Ari - SP)
Barry Zito (SF - SP)

Pancho

Carlos Beltrán (NYM - OF)
Stephen Drew (Ari - SS)
Bill Hall (Mil - 3B,SS,OF)
Ryan Howard (Phi - 1B)
Raúl Ibañez (Sea - OF)
Mike Lowell (Bos - 3B)
Bengie Molina (SF - C)
Corey Patterson (Bal - OF)
Édgar Rentería (Det - SS)
Ryan Theriot (ChC - 2B,SS)
Rickie Weeks (Mil - 2B)
Ty Wigginton (Hou - 1B,2B,3B,OF)


Bronson Arroyo (Cin - SP)
Matt Capps (Pit - RP)
Chad Cordero (Was - RP)
Jeff Francis (Col - SP)
Bobby Jenks (CWS - RP)
Greg Maddux (SD - SP)
Mike Mussina (NYY - SP)
Roy Oswalt (Hou - SP)
Huston Street (Oak - RP)

Nerveclinic

Bobby Abreu (NYY - OF)
Rick Ankiel (StL - OF)
Lance Berkman (Hou - 1B,OF)
Shawn Green (NYM - 1B,OF)
Brad Hawpe (Col - OF)
Aaron Hill (Tor - 2B,SS)
Howie Kendrick (LAA - 1B,2B)
Kevin Kouzmanoff (SD - 3B)
Paul Lo Duca (Was - C)
Jimmy Rollins (Phi - SS)
Matt Stairs (Tor - 1B,OF)


Clay Buchholz (Bos - SP)
Matt Cain (SF - SP)
Matt Garza (TB - SP)
Tom Gorzelanny (Pit - SP)
Félix Hernández (Sea - SP)
Brad Lidge (Phi - RP)
Derek Lowe (LAD - SP)
Joe Nathan (Min - RP)
Akinori Otsuka (Tex - RP)
Andy Sonnanstine (TB - SP)
C.J. Wilson (Tex - RP)

Tree/ Redneck Mothers

Garret Anderson (LAA - OF)
Rocco Baldelli (TB - OF)
Jason Bay (Pit - OF)
Hank Blalock (Tex - 3B)
Billy Butler (KC - 1B,OF)
Eric Byrnes (Ari - OF)
Carl Crawford (TB - OF)
Brandon Phillips (Cin - 2B)
Albert Pujols (StL - 1B)
Manny Ramírez (Bos - OF)
José Reyes (NYM - SS)
Geovany Soto (ChC - C)
Nick Swisher (CWS - 1B,OF)
Mark Teixeira (Atl - 1B)


Manny Corpas (Col - RP)
Jason Isringhausen (StL - RP)
Aaron Laffey (Cle - SP)
Jonathan Papelbon (Bos - RP)
Oliver Pérez (NYM - SP)
Francisco Rodríguez (LAA - RP)
C.C. Sabathia (Cle - SP)
Jered Weaver (LAA - SP)

Coldwater Coyotes

Orlando Cabrera (CWS - SS)
Brian Giles (SD - OF)
Travis Hafner (Cle - 1B)
Todd Helton (Col - 1B)
Austin Kearns (Was - OF)
Casey Kotchman (LAA - 1B)
Jason Kubel (Min - OF)
Álex Rodríguez (NYY - 3B)
Álex Ríos (Tor - OF)
J.R. Towles (Hou - C)
Chase Utley (Phi - 2B)
Vernon Wells (Tor - OF)


Erik Bedard (Bal - SP)
Chris Carpenter (StL - SP)
Octavio Dotel (CWS - RP)
Matt Herges (Col - RP)
Luke Hochevar (KC - SP)
Casey Janssen (Tor - SP,RP)
John Lackey (LAA - SP)
Peter Moylan (Atl - RP)
J.J. Putz (Sea - RP)
Chad Qualls (Ari - RP)
James Shields (TB - SP)
Brian Wilson (SF - RP)

Baldwin

Moisés Alou (NYM - OF)
Barry Bonds (SF - OF)
Mark DeRosa (ChC - 1B,2B,3B,OF)
Rafael Furcal (LAD - SS)
Jonny Gomes (TB - OF)
Jeremy Hermida (Fla - OF)
Paul Konerko (CWS - 1B)
Iván Rodríguez (Det - C,1B)
Aaron Rowand (SF - OF)
Alfonso Soriano (ChC - OF)
Jim Thome (CWS - Util)
Randy Winn (SF - OF)
Ryan Zimmerman (Was - 3B)


Tony Armas (Pit - SP,RP)
Daniel Cabrera (Bal - SP)
Roger Clemens (NYY - SP)
Tom Gordon (Phi - RP)
Dan Haren (Ari - SP)
Trevor Hoffman (SD - RP)
Dustin McGowan (Tor - SP,RP)
John Smoltz (Atl - SP)

Biliruben

Ryan Braun (Mil - 3B)
Prince Fielder (Mil - 1B)
Vladimir Guerrero (LAA - OF)
Matt Kemp (LAD - OF)
James Loney (LAD - 1B)
Nick Markakis (Bal - OF)
Russell Martin (LAD - C)
Miguel Tejada (Hou - SS)
David Wright (NYM - 3B)


Jeremy Accardo (Tor - RP)
Ryan Dempster (ChC - RP)
Jimmy Gobble (KC - SP,RP)
Aaron Heilman (NYM - RP)
Braden Looper (StL - SP,RP)
Carlos Mármol (ChC - SP,RP)
Andy Pettitte (NYY - SP)
Takashi Saito (LAD - RP)
Johan Santana (NYM - SP)
Curt Schilling (Bos - SP)
Javier Vázquez (CWS - SP)
Jamie Walker (Bal - RP)

Taxman

Garrett Atkins (Col - 1B,3B)
Pat Burrell (Phi - OF)
Edwin Encarnación (Cin - 3B)
Alex Gordon (KC - 1B,3B)
Torii Hunter (LAA - OF)
David Ortiz (Bos - 1B)
Mike Piazza (Oak - C)
Brian Roberts (Bal - 2B)
Skip Schumaker (StL - OF)
Grady Sizemore (Cle - OF)
Troy Tulowitzki (Col - SS)


Scott Baker (Min - SP)
Joaquín Benoit (Tex - RP)
Chad Billingsley (LAD - SP,RP)
Francisco Cordero (Cin - RP)
Doug Davis (Ari - SP)
Roy Halladay (Tor - SP)
Josh Johnson (Fla - SP,RP)
John Maine (NYM - SP)
Brad Penny (LAD - SP)
Ben Sheets (Mil - SP)
David Weathers (Cin - RP)
 
41Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 00:14 		Thanks SZ, Tree & NerveClinic [ NC types worse than I do. No small feet...er feat :o) ]

I've been a bit lost in the Poli BB discussions. I do not want another fiasco like I (and by default the other mangers) experienced in Poli football.
 
42Seattle Zen
      ID: 529121611
      Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 01:17 		I've been a bit lost in the Poli BB discussions.

Well, nothing much of note has happened yet. We are going to decide on a new manager, which will be done offsite via personal e-mail.

One of our league's more interesting features is our rules making process. We have a bunch of rules and just like American jurisprudence, some of it is codified into rules, the rest is case law ("that's how we've always done it...") We propose new rules or changes to current rules on the boards. There is argument and politicking back and forth. Votes are casts and tallied, well, except for last year where we did not get everyone to cast a vote.

I used to tally the votes, but I got tired of snide comments from certain former managers, so I do not do so anymore. No one picked up the ball and I think that's the main reason we didn't get everyone to vote last year. It's not to late to revive those questions from last year. And from the sounds of our early discussion, there may be another proposal to change the prospect rules.

 
43nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 01:54

I used to tally the votes, but I got tired of snide comments from certain former managers, so I do not do so anymore. No one picked up the ball and I think that's the main reason we didn't get everyone to vote last year.

Well it may be true you tallied votes in the past but how many times over and over did we implore certain people to vote last year and they just apparently couldn't be bothered.

It's not like we didn't try to get people to vote, it's all back there in last years thread.

It's not to late to revive those questions from last year. And from the sounds of our early discussion, there may be another proposal to change the prospect rules.

Yeah but now another year has passed so these new rules would aply to next year.
 
44Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 11:49 		Yeah but now another year has passed so these new rules would aply to next year.

That is I rule I DO like!!
 
45Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 15:54 		Why do we get mad about non-voters? Just count them as undecided and voting present but abstaining.
 
46Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 16:05 		Just count them as undecided and voting present but abstaining.

If you would like to propose that rule change, feel free to do so, but 10 people will have to vote "Yes".
 
47Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 16:34 		Why do we get mad about non-voters? Just count them as undecided and voting present but abstaining.

because an abstention basically counts as a no vote.
 
48Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 20:15 		Every now and then we get an issue that I could't care one way or another about.
 
49Tree
      ID: 23122619
      Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 20:23 		then vote against the issue.

a league like this thrives with participation, and falters without it.
 
50Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 20:27 		Why not leave the issue to those who really 'get' the issue? I can see that the threshold for passing the vote is the problem with my position.
 
51Tree
      ID: 23122619
      Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 21:13 		why not type two little letters - N and O - that way we at least know you're involved.
 
52Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 21:39 		Because maybe yes is the right answer and I just haven't figured it out yet.
 
53Tree
      ID: 23122619
      Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 22:21 		so err on the side of caution, and vote yes.

but doing nothing doesn't accomplish anything.
 
54Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 22:25 		Ya'know when Madman and Toral and MBJ are lawyering it out I step back.
 
55Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 22:57 		because an abstention basically counts as a no vote

Maybe a semantic arguement..but never-the-less..nope.

My recollection of Roberts Rules of Order, as well as the US Congress/Senate rules..an abstention is never a "no" vote. For anything to pass, a pre-decided % of "yes" votes are required for an action to be authorized.

I could handle as an observation only, that a "no" vote often, hell even usually, has the same impact as a "no" vote, because it will never be counted in the "yes" column. But it is never "basically" the same as a "no".

Easy to example the premise. Senate has a 100 voters. To pass a motion requires a majority with VP breaking a tie vote. Anotherwords, if 50 Publicrats vote yes for a motion, and 44 Washicans vote no, the motion fails w/o the VP needing to cast a vote. If the 16 abstaining (non) voters all vote "No", then the VP casts the deciding vote.

Thus the abstention is not like the "No", as it shows in neither column...but I agree, the abstention looks/feels and often has the same result as a "no".

A solution:
(as extreme as Bill Mahers' New Rules) To be able to draft..each year, manager must vote on all pending proposed rules. No vote..you time out in the draft..hurting your team.

Another extreme solution: When a vote is required, your roster is frozen until you vote.
(happened to me in Poli football..but for a different reason and roster freeze does get your attention, not to mention pissing you off)

Either (or both) provide each manager motivation to participate in rule process or get out of the league.
 
56Tree
      ID: 23122619
      Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 23:31 		Thus the abstention is not like the "No", as it shows in neither column...but I agree, the abstention looks/feels and often has the same result as a "no".

hence, the word "basically".

in this league, because you need a certain number of "yes" votes to pass something, someone not voting is not voting yes, and thusly, in essence, are voting no.

you're right. it's semantical, mostly. but the fact remains that anything that is not a vote for, ends up as a default vote against.
 
57Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 23:35 		BTW I am well known as the leading advocate of a number of issues such as larger benches/IR slots/keepers and I am by no means uninvolved.
 
58nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Wed, Feb 06, 2008, 23:54

A non vote is the same as a no since a majority is needed to change a rule.

The fact it's a "non" vote makes it appear that the league member simply can't be bothered to examine the issue and make an informed choice on the direction of the league.

 
59Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 07:07 		The fact it's a "non" vote makes it appear that the league member simply can't be bothered to examine the issue and make an informed choice on the direction of the league.

Yeah, I think that's the issue that keads to aggravation; once a vote is called for, vote and move on.
 
60Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 08:40 		btw - i'm going to bring up the possibility of us being a "plus" league again.

i don't know how many pay for the stattracker feature. i know i do, and i suspect others do as well.

that's 9.99. if all of us - or most of us - do that, that's 140 bucks total.

the plus league costs 125 bucks. so we'd all save a couple of bucks, and get a few more features.

just a thought...

of course, i realize that getting everyone to actually vote on this, or even put input, is a stretch, but hey, i'm an optimist.
 
61Pancho Villa
      ID: 47161721
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 09:18 		Vote yes for plus league
 
62nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 09:34
i use stat tracker so yes, I can paypal my portion to whoever buys the plus.
 
63Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 10:12 		Is there a way to pay my share of the plus directly to Yahoo without the fuss?
 
64Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 11:12 		Is there a way to pay my share of the plus directly to Yahoo without the fuss?

i suspect not, because if you do the plus league on your own, it's like 25 bucks per team.
 
65Myboyjack
      ID: 56039812
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 11:13 		yes to plus league
 
66Perm Dude
      ID: 413710
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 11:16 		I use the stattracker too--it's a cool thing to have. I would certainly vote "yes" on a plus league.

Here are the details of the league setup last season. Anyone want to suggest any changes?:

Season Type: Full
Draft Type: Offline Draft
Draft Time: Fri Mar 30 12:04am EDT
Max Teams: 14
Scoring Type: Rotisserie
Player Universe: All baseball
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Reject Time: 2
Trade End Date: August 12, 2007
Waiver Time: 2 days
Can't Cut List Provider: Yahoo! Sports
Trade Review: League Votes
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules
Max Games Played: 162
Max Innings Pitched: 1250
Weekly Deadline: Daily - Tomorrow
Start Scoring on: Sunday, Apr 1
Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL, DL
Stat Categories: R, HR, RBI, SB, AVG, W, SV, K, ERA, WHIP
 
67biliruben
      ID: 4911361723
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 11:55 		Vote yes for plus league
 
68PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 12:56 		Well the issue with paying the 9.99 for the Stats is you get that across your account for that sport. Paying for the plus league here is only going to give us that for this league.
 
69Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 13:10 		i'm pretty sure you get the stat tracker across the board.

i feel like one of my football leagues was a plus league, and i had the stat tracker in every league...
 
70Perm Dude
      ID: 413710
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 13:36 		I believe you get the stats in every league for that sport. I don't think it is across different sports.

pd
 
71PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 14:19 		Not across different sports. Across your 4 teams max under that yahoo name.
 
72Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 18:18 		Stattracker is a pretty good value for baseball. I'n i'm for plus not that I like being bothered mailing checks.
 
73Tree
      ID: 4110717
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 18:20 		Punk - i'm not even sure what you're saying.

i know if you get stat tracker alone, you get it for all four teams.

i'm pretty sure if you get the plus league, you still get the stat tracker for all four teams. i'm trying to remember what happened in the football 101 league i was in...
 
74biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 18:30 		I can't imagine it any other way. It seems like their software brings your other teams in automatically.
 
75Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 18:39 		I vote yes to a PLUS league, but only if Baldwin posts his address, birth date and SS# in this thread ;)
 
76biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 19:04 		But. But.

Then a marauding gang of social workers will storm his house, demand he pay them minimum wage for their vile child-stealing profession, then make him pray to some false idol of secular humanism or forever be banished from all fantasy sports and video gaming communities. That's just not cool, Zen.
 
77PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 19:31 		The question i'm asking since I don't know is...

When I purchase stat tracker alone for 9.99 I get it for my 4 baseball teams under that one yahoo name.
If we get Plus for this ONE league, do I only have stat tracker for that ONE team, or all four that I could have.
 
78biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 19:38 		My guess is the answer is yes.

But you could email yahoo to find out for sure. C/O Bill Gates, if you don't hurry, and Stat-Tracker will come pre-installed as an integral part of Vista.
 
79Pancho Villa
      ID: 47161721
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 19:52 		If we get Plus for this ONE league, do I only have stat tracker for that ONE team, or all four that I could have.

All four I think, even though I've never had more than two teams Yahoo at the same time, same sport. But the 2nd team got Stattracker without a purchase.
 
80PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Thu, Feb 07, 2008, 21:06 		Just asking to make sure since it's going to be totally seperate leagues. And didn't know why if you were in one league that's a Plus it would mean your account has it for all.
 
81Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 10:26 		Punk - i don't think you get the PLUS for all, just the stat tracker.
 
82PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 15:13 		No I knew about not plus for all. I'm just trying to figure out about the Stat Tracker. If you have it from the Plus league, why would your account have it on the other 3 teams you could have? That's what i'm trying to figure out.
 
83Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Fri, Feb 08, 2008, 17:19 		Vote Yes for STAT Tracker
 
84wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 17:23 		taxman, stealth is looking for you in rotoyakl 08 check it out in the baseball standings thread.
 
85Myboyjack
      ID: 56039812
      Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 13:05 		Being out of the country, I'll be doing most of this draft by email and/or phone contact. I'm trying to update my contacts in my new Blackberry thingie. With that in mind I'd reallyy appreciate it if everyone could provide me with:

1.updated email
2. phone contact #s if you're available (please let me know what kind of phone it is(cell, home, etc) and any special instructions.
3. To the few of you whose mailing addy I might need or have needed in the past, please provide if applicable.

My info is as follows:

email: myboyjack2000 AT yahoo dot com
celly: 1 859 582 seven 172
mail: Jubal Miller, PO Box 574, RIchmond, KY 40476
 
86Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 13:28 		PD - Yahoo baseball is up - maybe you want to get it set up?

Plus league - i think we have 10 yes votes. the owners who are missing appear to be:
Coldwater Coyotes
Action Figures
Wiggs
(whoever our 14th owner is)

also - it appears that CC and AF didn't check in above.




 
87 biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 13:58 		also - it appears that CC and AF didn't check in above.

Yeah they did. Posts 24 and 25.

celly:2067two42548
 
88 Pancho Villa
      ID: 47161721
      Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 14:34 		Have a great trip, MBJ!

801 608-0275
 
89Perm Dude
      ID: 3711109
      Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 14:42 		No changes suggested in league settings? If not, I can go ahead and set us up in Yahoo.
 
90Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Mon, Feb 11, 2008, 15:16 		oops, they did check in. but didn't vote yet on the Plus thing.
 
91Seattle Zen
      ID: 529121611
      Tue, Feb 12, 2008, 00:51 		Trade announcement

SZ trades

Justin Morneau and Cole Hamels to

Pancho's Padres for

Ryan Howard

Awaiting confirmation
 
92Pancho Villa
      ID: 47161721
      Tue, Feb 12, 2008, 07:41 		#91
Trade confirmed

I have 4 frontline stoppers that are up for trades, either for draft picks or players with power or SB numbers

Jenks
C Cordero
Street
Capps
 
93Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Feb 12, 2008, 09:30 		can you guys please move the trade into this tread, so we can maintain a good clearinghouse for these things - or maybe start a 2008 and beyond thread?
 
94wiggs
      ID: 6825712
      Tue, Feb 12, 2008, 10:47 		i would prefer not to do the plus league, but if everyone else wants to I will.
 
95coldwater coyotes
      ID: 570432817
      Tue, Feb 12, 2008, 23:16 		is there a restriction on how many years we can hold keepers?

OOps I am neutral on Plus.

 
96Perm Dude
      ID: 141511220
      Tue, Feb 12, 2008, 23:18 		No, you can hold them as long as you want.
 
97 biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 18:15 		Hey CC - Drop me an email.

I'm interested exploring some trades with you if you are amenable.
 
98Action Figure
      ID: 22148145
      Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 06:51 		I think plus would be a plus.

I'm in.
 
99Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 17:50 		I am assuming that we will draft on kafenatid.

I can front the charge for using his state of the art On theClock draft manager.
 
100Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 18:08 		I am assuming that we will draft on kafenatid.

You're joking, right?



2007 Poli football draft

Poliguru leagues are like 0-3 using Kafe. We've never had a problem without it.
 
101Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 19:57 		I definitely am not joking.

MBJ...how short our memories are.

To quote Mick Jagger (if you know the song) "Let me introduce myself"

I joined the Poli Football league last fall taking over PD's team and I participated in that draft...and when Fred fixed the bug the draft ran smoothly..as have the other 25 kafenatid drafts I have enjoyed. Fred stays close to the computer during each season's draft and problems..if any..never last for long.

Do not let one problem distract from the advantage and benefits provided by not being able to draft a player already drafted... and the draft clock as well as the queue function have brought an unparallelled speed factor for those leagues that encourage the use of it. Not to mention the running Draft Grid to see where you are..and where you aren't...the olayer list to see who is/isn't drafted..too many features to attempt a recap.
 
102Tree
      ID: 131531518
      Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 19:57 		Tax, i wish we were on kafenatid, but this group is staunchly anti-change. :o)
 
103Perm Dude
      ID: 10136157
      Fri, Feb 15, 2008, 21:57 		Yeah, there are some strong anti-OTC feelings on the boards and it just is best to let things be for awhile.

That said, it sounds like the Plus league is a go. If someone has some strong anti-Plus feelings please let me know. I'll cover you on it, so no worries there.

I'm out of the office much of tomorrow, but will probably take care of the league setup on Monday or early Tuesday. I'm assuming no changes in the settings.

pd
 
104Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 00:46 		Hate to be the voice of change...but we crossed
Y 2000 over 7 years ago. Not changing to an effective time saving draft sytem only because it represents change is wholly unacceptable.

Manual drafts are for people with more fantasy sports time than I (am allowed) and enough time to keep their own records in a form quite similar to that provided by kafenatid, or risk drafting a non-competitive squad.

I am unsure that I will have adequate time to keep up with a manual draft. If the league is going with a manual draft...then I need to decide quickly whether or not the Poli Baseball league needs to replace me and inform you of such.
 
105biliruben
      ID: 4911361723
      Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 00:49 		I'm not sure I understand your issue, Tax. I have drafted both ways, and have found drafting on the boards to be both less work and less frustration. Not no frustration, but less than K.
 
106Tree
      ID: 131531518
      Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 00:52 		i really agree with Taxman here. the resistance to switching over to kafenatid has been bizarre to me.

so there was one glitch we had. i've done 20-some odd drafts there, and haven't had a serious problem.

it's got an automated queue system, it emails you when you're up at both a primary and secondary email address, and many phone with wireless access can log on and draft from their phone.

i think it's high time we revisit this, and give it a shot.
 
107nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 03:34
Hate to be the voice of change...but we crossed Y 2000 over 7 years ago. Not changing to an effective time saving draft sytem only because it represents change is wholly unacceptable.

Please of course it's not "only because it represents change", give me a break. That's really disingenuous to those who have expressed compelling reasons it could create problems in the past.

i really agree with Taxman here. the resistance to switching over to kafenatid has been bizarre to me.

What's bizarre is that you won't recall the problems/concerns.

Take me for example, I live in the middle east. When you are awake I am asleep.

So if we use kafi with say a 6 hour window I could get screwed if I am asleep when my clock starts.

Now what kind of a nightmare would we have if a league member, who otherwise drafts exceptionally conscientiously, (I think my past will show this) gets screwed because of a mechanical device.

It doesn't have to be just me, someone with a full day of meetings at work could suddenly get caught by the clock.

We can still have a clock, but at least I can write...I am going to bed now...and a machine won't flip the draft over to the next pick.

If someone knows they will be busy at work they can let the league know, they can't stop a machine.

What if I leave a cue with member X before I go to bed and member X doesn't pick when my turn is up...the mechanical clock flips right?

If you can guarantee and explain why nothing like this is a concern I am all ears but no one has been able to convince us of this in the past.

I would want a guarantee that if something like this happened, all the picks that came after would be void and the person losing their turn gets whoever they want, picked or not.

The thing has a clock right? How do we avoid the problem of the clock arbitrarily screwing a contentious drafters turn and creating a lot of bad blood and ill will.

THAT is the resistance to change. Why is this bizarre?


 
108nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 08:13
the problem of the clock arbitrarily screwing a contentious drafters turn

Should have said conscientious not contentious, dern modern spell check contraption gizmos, why did we ever get rid of the good ol' dictionary?
 
109Tree
      ID: 59159166
      Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 08:31 		I could get screwed if I am asleep when my clock starts.

Now what kind of a nightmare would we have if a league member, who otherwise drafts exceptionally conscientiously, (I think my past will show this) gets screwed because of a mechanical device.

It doesn't have to be just me, someone with a full day of meetings at work could suddenly get caught by the clock

this is a concern of ANY draft with a clock. but the reality of someone getting skipped like this is VERY slim. i mean, are you really going to go to bed, seeing that you are one or two picks away, and not take any action to do that..whether it be waiting up an extra 15 minutes or maybe leaving a queue, which takes us to...

What if I leave a cue with member X before I go to bed and member X doesn't pick when my turn is up...the mechanical clock flips right?

the queue system for kafenatid is fairly intelligent. maybe if i explain how it works, it'll put some minds at ease.

1. you leave your queue through the kafenatid system. it is a pull down menu of every undrafted player in the game. your queue can be one player long, or it can be 100, or any number in between or beyond.

2. you set your designated picker (DP). you can pick one owner to be DP, five owners, or everyone in the league. you can designate anyone in the league as your DP. the more people that have the ability to pick for you, the less your chance of that person not being around are.

3. when you leave your queue on "available" (you do have to remember to do that, which, is no different than say posting or emailing a queue), you can choose to have just the first player you list shown, or every player shown. this second option comes in handy if you want to base your queue pick on what happens in the few picks before yours, and you post on the rotoguru board something like "if there were no starting pitchers taken in the 5 picks before mine, please ignore my first choice and instead go with the top ranked shortstop i have"...

3. you can make what's called "free form" availabe, that means, instead of a queue with a list of players, you could email that queue to a few people you are certain will be around, and say "i want the top shortstop still on this list", and they could input that person's name.

4. it also prevents double picking. if you try and pick a player who has already been drafted, it throws up a big STOP sign, and asks if you really want to draft this already drafted player..

it is an excellent queue system, and quote honestly, an upgrade over the "phone, email, and hope he gets the message" sort of system we've been using...

NC - i *think* i've addressed your concerns in trying to explain the queue system. if i haven't done so, please let me know what your other concerns are.
 
110 Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 10:48 		Not meaning to intrude on tree's excellent description of kafenatid features...but the commish has the power to turn the clock on/off

Bottom line..always best to have a queue and designated pickers on alert to help avert any potential time problem.

and yes .. NC I would want a guarantee that if something like this happened, all the picks that came after would be void and the person losing their turn gets whoever they want, picked or not. I would be in favor of rectifying any wrong that occurs in any draft, kafenatid or otherwise. I know of no manager that would say otherwise. Dave Hall requires all RIBC drafts to be run on kafenatid, which should provide adequate verification.

NC everyone else probably knows the story, but my recollection put you on the west coast at one time. Why are you now in the middle east? If a private subject, my e-mail above..or if you wish, simply tell me it's none of my business.
 
111Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 11:22 		Hate to be the voice of change...but we crossed
Y 2000 over 7 years ago. Not changing to an effective time saving draft sytem only because it represents change is wholly unacceptable.

Wholly unacceptable? You don't have to accept it.

The Poli baseball draft is always the most efficient, most stress-free and most fun baseball draft I'm involved in. We've tried Kafe several times, and, tree's selective memory notwithstanding, it doesn't work for our particular league and group of managers. It's reduces our enjoyment of the process and adds nothing.


I am unsure that I will have adequate time to keep up with a manual draft. If the league is going with a manual draft...then I need to decide quickly whether or not the Poli Baseball league needs to replace me and inform you of such.

That would be unfortunate; but, perhaps, this is true.
 
112Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 11:26 		Tax,
Are you going to announce our trade?
 
114Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 12:50 		Sorry...didn't see your e-mail last night PV.

Following also posted in Poli Baseball Transactions 2006 and beyond thread:

Pancho Villa receices: Tori Hunter LAA

Taxman receives: Bobby Jenks CWS
 
115Seattle Zen
      ID: 529121611
      Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 13:48 		Taxman

Let me say that I think I speak for everyone when I say that we appreciate you being in the league and really want you to stay.

Personally, I vote against Kafinated out of deference to friends who are diametrically opposed to it. I see its usefulness, but have also seen it screw up.

Now that Tree and yourself have made your pitch for K, what, may I ask, is so horrible with drafting on the Boards? We've been doing it for years, it goes really smoothly, and just as quickly as if we used K. There are plenty of managers who do not have continuous access to the internet, but they move things along with Queues sent to other managers.

I am unsure that I will have adequate time to keep up with a manual draft.

If we were to use K, its main appeal is its queue system, but there are managers here who will not make queues with K. I am certain that if we voted to use K, there would not be enough support to impose a clock, so we would be just as stuck when someone is away using K as we will be on the boards. I honestly don't think that using K is any quicker. What feature on K is most appealing to you? The queue system? Are you uncomfortable sending a queue to a fellow manager? The draft grid? If it is that, is that really reason enough to leave the league?

I want you to stay, I really do, I think we all do. I don't think there is enough support to switch to K, so I want to probe your reluctance to a board draft so we can try to solve your concerns.
 
116nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 14:44
NC everyone else probably knows the story, but my recollection put you on the west coast at one time. Why are you now in the middle east?

Do a search of the Political Forum threads "Moving to the Other Side of the Planet" and you'll get the whole skinny, start with the first thread as the first post pretty much explains it. Hard to believe I am still here almost a year and a half later.

 
117Tree
      ID: 511251614
      Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 15:32 		kafenatid, without a clock, is a waste.

i still thinking drafting without a clock is silly, but we've managed to get it done.
 
118Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Feb 17, 2008, 01:59 		What feature on K is most appealing to you?

foremost the player list, followed by the grid, followed by the queue

The player list incorporates the feature of listing all players in the yahoo data base..and after a player is drafted, a line is drawn through that players name in a manner that the name is ledgible, but not available. The obvious advantage is an available up-to-date resource reflecting who is and who isn't available (has aleadt been drafted).

The grid allows you to keep up with the number of players selected at a position to enable a manager to not be left in the cold when a run on a particular position occurs.

Yes, I like the queue function..and..I actually think the queue function serves several purposes..not only when turned on to allow your designated picker to keep the draft moving..but when turned off..to serve as a internet note pad to list potential picks for later rounds (viable because a player listed in your queue when drafted is deleted from your queue).

If this league does not want to run a clock...kafenatid allows you to draft w/o a clock. If there is no clock used in kafenatid, what is the objection to having it perform the house heeping functions that I think are critical to having a successful draft??
 
119Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Sun, Feb 17, 2008, 02:40 		I am in favor of using Kafenatid with the caveat that we have a thread logging the ongoing results here as well. That was always the thing holding me back as I felt we were losing some rotoguru flavor not holding it here and we also lack a lasting record here.

Just too many advantages with it to let that stop us I feel.
 
120nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Sun, Feb 17, 2008, 09:55

If this league does not want to run a clock...kafenatid allows you to draft w/o a clock. If there is no clock used in kafenatid, what is the objection to having it perform the house heeping functions that I think are critical to having a successful draft??

The mechanical clock has always been my main concern. I think there are others that enjoy the week long discussions that go on during the draft.

My main concern is people getting skipped by a machine when they have been good drafters.

 
121Perm Dude
      ID: 581331621
      Sun, Feb 17, 2008, 10:09 		The clock can be turned on and off and adjusted to difference lengths, and designated pickers can also be used. The clock need not be used at all, in fact, if we're moving along at a good clip.

I don't think we have a habit of skipping people in the draft, so there might be no need to even use a clock.
 
122nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Sun, Feb 17, 2008, 11:13

Tree we have always used a clock in the past but there has been pretty lax enforcement at times for various reasons.

There have been a number of times though over the years where people have lost their turn and had to catch up.

 
123Tree
      ID: 511251614
      Sun, Feb 17, 2008, 13:15 		I am in favor of using Kafenatid with the caveat that we have a thread logging the ongoing results here as well. That was always the thing holding me back as I felt we were losing some rotoguru flavor not holding it here and we also lack a lasting record here.

kafenatid saves all your old drafts. in leagues i have been in for years, i enjoy going back 3, 4, whatever years to see how late a player going early now went back then.

the records there, are to me, more long lasting there than they are here...
 
124Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Feb 17, 2008, 15:34 		I am in favor of using Kafenatid with the caveat that we have a thread logging the ongoing results here as well. That was always the thing holding me back as I felt we were losing some rotoguru flavor not holding it here and we also lack a lasting record here.

This is a very agreeable solution, but only if the entire league sees it as such. It is near impossible to make all the people happy all the time, however.. kafenatid can be used w/o the clock (a clock is never required of managers not wishing to inconvenience their friends anyway)AND we should continue posting draft results and related discussions here. The kafenatid draft can sterelize (dehumanize) the drafting process if not attached to a thread. The running commentary adds much depth (shared learning) in our league and our internet community. That is done in the RIBC and several other Gurupian drafts. BTW..Tree makes an excellent comment about prior drafts stored on kafenatid..(I think I drafted Mendoza long before internet days)

With this frank open discussion, I now feel like a complete ass for even considering not being a part of this league. I am humbled, and far smarter than yesterday....but still discovering daily how dumb I can be. It's an aging thing..kinda like how your parents get smarter and more relevant the older you and your children become.

I am in, no matter how the league chooses to draft. If it is not with kafenatid, I will find another way to deal with my ADD problems(inability to get, much less keep, organized).



 
125Seattle Zen
      ID: 529121611
      Sun, Feb 17, 2008, 16:04 		I am in, no matter how the league chooses to draft.

Great news! I'm glad you have seen why this league is popular with its members.
 
126Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Feb 17, 2008, 17:59 		NC thanks "Moving to the Other Side of the Planet" is a facinating read
 
127nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Mon, Feb 18, 2008, 09:26

Thanks Box, I don't know if you saw the link to my Dubai website or not, if not here it is...

link

I will be adding new photos in the next week or so.

OK now I will un-hijak this thread...

 
128Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 14:14 		and what of our 14th owner?

do we have anyone yet?
 
129nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 03:08

UM don't we need to get going?

We should be picking keepers in the next week or so and preparing to start the draft. The first games this year are March 25th.

As Tree said are we short an owner? If so we need to fill that right away because he/she will need time to prepare and learn rules.

Is it time to get a sense of urgency?



 
130Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 06:59 		yes
 
131Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 09:52 		i agree.

can we get some sort of update?

i've still got trades to make! lol
 
132Perm Dude
      ID: 32112228
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 10:00 		Am working on a keeper thread right now. I'm thinking about March 3rd for the deadline (regular and prospect keepers).

Like last year, we'll try for a prospect draft immediately after the regular draft.

Looks like we will not be doing OTC, but I'm looking into the possibility of having a concurrent "draft" on OTC for those who want to, in order for them to enjoy the benefits of OTC (queues, player list, etc). The draft will be on the boards but OTC would be used as a draft tool for those who want to use it. I will pay the fee for the OTC draft--opt in or out, just do so before the start of the draft.

Last year the draft started 3/12. We can probably start it a bit earlier--maybe Monday 3/10. Without any objections let's stick with that.

Tree, can you do one of those cool draft charts for us again?
 
133Perm Dude
      ID: 32112228
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 10:09 		Keeper thread
 
134Perm Dude
      ID: 32112228
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 10:10 		Am firming up that last manager spot.
 
135nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 10:14

I don't think it's a problem, but we usually name our prospect keepers after the regular draft. That way if we want to promote/draft any prospects, it does not effect our pool of players.

I suppose when we name prospects we can just say at that time and "I will be making player X one of my draft picks".


 
136Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 10:46 		why aren't we doing OTC?

another great thing about OTC is that those little draft grids are automatic and you can call it up anytime you want, updated with each pick.

i really, really, really think we should do OTC, with concurrent commentary here in this forum.

i'm in 3 other drafts on OTC right now, and the discussion threads for them on the rotoguru boards are quite lengthy, one of which is currently 175+ posts strong.
 
137Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 10:47 		additionally, it's too early for keepers. seriously - we need to shore up this final owner.

i think there are still trades to be made, and so on...
 
138Seattle Zen
      ID: 529121611
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 11:19 		why aren't we doing OTC?

Because you will never get the votes for it. I think Perm's offer of running a concurrent draft on OTC is an extremely generous offer and a great compromise. Rather than mock surprise, Tree, you should be happy with Perm agreeing to all that extra work.

I agree that the final owner needs to be made known and that there are further trades to be made, that said, I imagine that a Monday 3/10 start of the draft is a good suggestion. And we aren't going to "try" to get the Prospect Draft done right after the Regular Draft, we ARE going to shift immediately into the Prospect Draft.

The Keeper announcement deadline needs to be decided and I am all for making it as late as possible, like March 7th. I would hate for someone's keeper to get hurt in Spring Training. Having the weekend to make your first round draft pick plans is plenty of time.
 
139Perm Dude
      ID: 32112228
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 11:22 		Last year we did prospects and regular keepers at the same time, because we were running the drafts back to back.
 
140Perm Dude
      ID: 32112228
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 11:39 		Let's all give a big Political Forum welcome to MITH who will be taking over Sox's team this year. This might just be a one-year deal, but I think we can rest assured that the team will be in good hands.

pd
 
141Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 11:43 		Because you will never get the votes for it.

and my question is why?

both Tax and myself have made very good arguments as to why it would IMPROVE this league's draft, while the naysayers don't seem to come across as anything more than just resistant to change.

and MITH, welcome aboard. glad to have you.
 
142 Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 12:05 		In.

I'll do my best to put Rockafellerskank's old franchise on a path back toward respectability.

I've got a lot of work to do to get to 7 keeper-level players, if that's even possible.

All of my draft picks and players are available, including Brandon Webb and Francisco Liriano.

I imagine I'm one of the few managers who is willing to part with draft picks and accept 2 for 1 deals, so lay your proposals on me.

I only have a handful of assets to try to turn into 7 keepers so I'll disclose now that I fully intend to play your offers against one another.
 
143Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 12:12 		Great to have you back, MITH. I'll be sending you an offer soon.

SZ
 
144Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 12:33 		What's the 2008 draft order and is it straight or does it snake?
 
145Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 12:39 		no snake, MITH
 
146Perm Dude
      ID: 32112228
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 12:46 		Draft order (both regular and prospect):

MITH/Sox
Perm Dude
PuNk42AE
Baldwin
MBJ
Action Figures
nerveclinic
Pancho
wiggs
Taxman
coldwater coyotes
Tree
Seattle Zen
biliruben
 
147biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 13:37 		Welcome, MITH!!!!! It's terrific to have you aboard. You are a terrific manager.

Let me see if I can steal a player or two from you. ;)



 
148Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Fri, Feb 22, 2008, 13:58 		Glad you have joined MITH...

I'm not sure I can steal any of your players, but I will give it a look.
 
149Perm Dude
      ID: 431162321
      Sun, Feb 24, 2008, 09:39 		Still looking over the rules changes from last year. The only one I believe has happened is nerve's suggestion that all trades involving picks include an even number of draft picks.
 
150 Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 11:31 		For those of you who feel you have more than 7 keeper-quality players, I'll be looking to move 1 high level draft pick (most likely my 2nd or 3rd rounder - don't ask for my #1 unless your prepared to significantly overpay) and possibly a mid-round pick as well.
 
151biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Mon, Feb 25, 2008, 15:16 		Tejada and Saito have no room on my squad. The pair can be had for a 2nd rounder.
 
152Perm Dude
      ID: 57148279
      Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 10:59 		I'm terribly under the weather, but have managed to register the league on Yahoo and am about to send out invites. This'll probably be all I get to today, but there you go.
 
153Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 12:08 		PD's note in the invite email says he doesn't receive PayPal. If anyone who does receive PayPal plans on sending him a check, I could send $9 to you via PayPal if you care to cover both of us with your check.
 
154Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 12:40 		i'm the same boat as MITH.

i rarely use checks. in fact, with rent due in a couple days, i have to find my box of checks since i used the last one to my rent, and can't seem to find the rest of them. lol
 
155biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 12:53 		I'm not big on checks either*, but I will send one off. Sorry, I don't accept paypal. I freakin' hate paypal more than checks. Suck it, Paypal. You ain't gettin' access to my bank accounts no matter how low you drop my buying limits.

You can probably do a free online bill pay. I can with WAMU at any rate.



* Last I checked, most of the identity theft and simple straight theft was simply meth-heads physically stealing incoming and outgoing mail out of your mail box. If they get your SS# and a checking account number, sometimes that's all they need to impersonate you.
 
157Action Figure
      ID: 10142321
      Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 13:35 		Once we reach a decision on how we are going to pay for this league can you send a league e-mail and or post the information on the league message board?

Keepers due on Monday...?
 
158Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 14:11 		Considering the known pro-OTC feelings of our new owners and the strong pro-OTC feelings of many of our voting owners, I feel a new vote on the issue is in order.
 
159Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 14:14 		Then fire up a new Rules 2008 thread and make your proposal.
 
160Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Wed, Feb 27, 2008, 14:22 		the known pro-OTC feelings of our new owners

In case I'm included in there I'll note that my vote would be against OTC for this league. Too many long-time league members are too strongly against it.
 
161Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 09:15 		I'm standing with what I believe are 6 relatively (considering where I started) acceptable keepers. The plan is to try to land one more keeper-level player for a draft pick upgrade. All of my picks are available (except for my 5th rounder, which is now in the possession of Wiggs) but you're going to have to do a bit better than someone you'll otherwise throw back for one of my high ones.
 
163 Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 15:40 		Surprised I haven't seen more offers today.

If you have a bubble or better player that you know you're not going to keep and will just toss back for absolutely nothing in return you might as well hit me up for what is basically a free draft pick upgrade.
 
164nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 18:13
I'm going to have to paypal someone to send my money to PD because it ain't easy mailing a check from Dubai.

Can anyone help a brotha out who's stuck on the other side of the planet?

 
165Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 18:15 		Nerve isn't it 4:15am for you right now?
 
166Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 19:15 		I'll be mailing Fred a check tommorow; anyone who wants to PayPal me, let me know, and I'll pay for your part too.
 
167Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 19:21 		Your usual address, MBJ?
 
168Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 20:51 		ya:

myboyjack2000@yahoo.com
 
169Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 20:58 		MBJ - money sent.

Note to anyone who might send money to MBJ via PayPal:

I think I remember an issue arising someplace or another about including anything in you subject or message field that PayPal might misunderstand as gambling, including something as innocent as "fantasy basebll". I believe I recall someone having his paypal account frozen over a Guru donation or something to that effect.

I wrote in the subject line "money for PD" and left the message field blank.
 
170Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 21:59 		Igotit
 
171Tree
      ID: 401242820
      Thu, Feb 28, 2008, 22:11 		mbj. i'll be sending money over shortly, if i can remember my paypal log in.

and yea - never mention fantasy sports or anything similar in a paypal transaction...
 
172nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 02:30
Nerve isn't it 4:15am for you right now?

The clubs close at 3AM and Thursday isn't a school night here.

 
173nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 02:37
MBJ

I just went to paypal you the money and got this message...

The PayPal website is temporarily unavailable. We are working to restore access as soon as possible. Please check the PayPal Announcement Board for more information.

We apologize for the inconvenience.

If you can hang in there will try later today. I send paypal to the states all the time without a problem so I am sure it's a temporary glitch.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

 
174Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 07:13 		np, I'll go ahead and send PD the $. It's nine bucks man, don't sweat it, send it when you're able.
 
175nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 09:41

MBJ Thanks and it's done.

 
176Myboyjack
      ID: 56039812
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 09:43 		Check sent covering:

me
tree
MITH
nerve
 
177nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 09:50

Tree I just read your email and would like to discuss. I'll send an email.

nerve

 
178nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 10:10

MITH will send an email shortly
 
179nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 11:53

Tree just got your yahoo message

I'm on now

 
180nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 12:18
Is anyone interested in Felix Hernandez and my last pick for a first round draft pick?

If preferred it could be Matt Cain.

 
181 nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 12:26

I can't seem to find the league invite, can someone forward the info to the attached email addy...thanks.

 
182Taxman
      ID: 301502616
      Fri, Feb 29, 2008, 16:57 		nerve...Done
 
183Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 08:29 		I'm really looking foward to see how my preseasoon trades work out over the season.

Here's the likely keeper set of the team I inherited (before any trades) - primary keepers first:
Brandon Webb
Francisco Liriano
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Placido Polanco
Frank Thomas
Hideki Matsui
Michael Cuddyer

Prospects:
Kyle Davies
Yusmeiro Petit
Hayden Penn


In net terms, I've traded away the following assets:

My 5th round pick (#57)
My 7th round pick (85)
My 8th round pick (#99)
Brandon Webb
Daisuke Matsuzaka


And here's what I got in return:

PD's 7th round pick (#86)
Wiggs' 8th round pick (#107)
Zen's 13th round pick (#181)
Corey Hart. OF. MIL.
Chris Young. SP. SD.
Adrian Gonzalez. 1B. SD.
Chris Young. OF. AZ.
Pedro Martinez. SP. NYM.
Kevin Kouzmanoff. 3B. SD.
Joey Votto. 1B. CIN

We'll see if it was worth it for me to hang on to my top 4 picks in lieu of a couple of higher ranked keepers.
 
184Tree
      ID: 1925617
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 09:25 		personally, i think you did a whale of a job.

your new top 4 keepers are worlds above your original - in part, because i feel like that team legit had 2 keepers in Webb and Dice-K. Liriano is a nice young player, but such a wild card.

you lost all 3 of those, but ended up four certain under-30 keepers, 2 potential long-terms in the corners, and an agin pitcher that might surprise.

you ended up moving down in the 7th and 8th rounds, and swapping a 5th for a 13th. a big switch, but overall, i think you've angled your team into one that has some solid building blocks.

good luck!
 
185Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 09:41 		Thanks, tree. Actually, I'm keeping Liriano. In fact he's the only player I inherited that will be kept. Very high risk/high reward player but for a team like this I like the gamble. He probably has the best chance of anyone on my roster of being a top 25 player by this time next year. Report last week out of Twins camp was that the velocity is there so so far so good.
 
186nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 12:51

Nice job MITH, it's great to see such passion.

nerve
 
187 nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 13:19
I'm trying to make one last deal with one of my players that would be a keeper for some teams.

It's 10PM here and I have a full slate tomorrow including a Visa run that will put me out of contact before the keepers deadline so I am trying to wrap up tonight. (Today your time..actually the next 2 hours)

I would give Hawpe or Felix Hernandez for a first round pick.





 
188Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 15:58 		Nerve

That's not how we do Prospects. Everyone gets to keep three prospects. If you choose to move one to three of them onto your regular roster, forfeiting your last one to three draft picks, you may add additional prospects in the prospect draft, you don't get to keep 5 prospects.

So, it sounds like you would like to keep Brandon Wood, Jacoby Ellsbury and one other. Who is your third prospect?
 
189nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 16:01
Zen I don't think you are correct.

We've always been able to draft prospects and keep three others.

 
190nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 16:03

if I am wrong I won't be keeping wood.

I see what you mean, last year I drafted one and only kept two.

OK I have to re think this...

 
191nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 16:08
Yeah you're right zen I'll fix it...man that hurts.

nerve
 
192Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 16:39 		Ah, it doesn't hurt that bad. You've got three potential stud outfielders in that group.

That's a fearsome three, dude, fearsome.
 
193Perm Dude
      ID: 472128
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 16:40 		A little over 24 hours until keepers are due. Please don't make me hurt your team by picking your keepers for you.

Keeper thread

A few more need to sign into Yahoo.
 
194Taxman
      SuperDude
      ID: 029463114
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 17:46 		Mith..your post 160 the known pro-OTC feelings of our new owners

In case I'm included in there I'll note that my vote would be against OTC for this league. Too many long-time league members are too strongly against it.

Mith..2 responses:
1) Several of the long-time members (Baldwin and Nerve..posts 119 and 120) expressed concerns and appeared mollified by proferred solutions. 2008 will have the draft here as in past years with a simultaneous parallell draft (w/o clock and for reports only) on OTC. Some feasibility problems posed since each manager will have to sign up for OTC draft for Fred to enter the picks.

2) IMHO, the whole point of voting is to vote your voice, not that of anothers. Were you to favor OTC you would join a majority of Tree, PD, Baldwin, Nerveclinic, me and Seattle Zen (assumption by me) is like you, in favor of OTC, but not willing to buck anti-OTC feelings from some??all?? of the other 5 managers.

Congrats on the quick roster makeover.
 
195Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 18:20 		Tax
I'm familiar with which managers are for and which are against OTC.

I know this group of people very well and my voice is that this league runs more smoothly when managers are content. That issue is of greater concern to me than whether or not we draft on OTC.
 
196Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 19:16 		Re: The Kafe thing

I think it should be put to a vote and everyone should vote their own preference, not influenced by the scurge of bili and me cracking wise when it, again, screws up our draft. (I'll likely be drafting a good part of this draft off line anyway; please don't let me be a hindrance to Kafe delight)

Looking at Zens's keepers, if I didn't know better, I'd swear he's got an unbeatable start to the league this year; however, with the experience of many years in this league with him, I can rest easy knowing that surely as the sun will roll over the mountaintop, disaster will befall at least 4 of his 7 keepers again spoling his shot at a title.

Also, could a moderator check for a glitch in the keepers thread; it looks like someone accidently put Adam Wainwright down as a keeper.
 
197Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 19:24 		I'm confused as to why can't use both this forum and Kafenatid as Taxman indicates in #194, and Baldwin suggested initially.

Doesn't that solve the problem?

If we're voting one way or another, I vote OTC, but I'm not adamant that way.
 
198Perm Dude
      ID: 472128
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 21:03 		I'm just in for a sec (putting the kids to bed), but I plan to put in OTC for those who want to, and manually draft those players on OTC as they are drafted here on the boards.
 
199Seattle Zen
      ID: 44122722
      Sun, Mar 02, 2008, 23:48 		You know, I've always just named my team "Seattle Zen", for simplicity purposes. Perhaps a more apt name, MBJ, would be "Disaster Awaits"?

LOL.
 
200nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 00:07

Bili's 7 keepers look pretty lethal too.

It's pretty incredible the group of players that both Bili and Zen have put together.

 
201Myboyjack
      ID: 56039812
      Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 10:50 		In the 2008 Keepers thread: If you delete a post, I ask that you make a note of it in your new post or somewhere to avoid confusion.
 
202Perm Dude
      ID: 522138
      Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 11:51 		MJB: Check received, thanks. This covers league fees for:

MBJ
MITH
tree
nerveclinic
 
203Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 12:10 		PD.
I'll get my check off this week, and add a couple bucks for the OTC fee.
 
204Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 15:33 		i think we've got 4 teams we're still waiting for:

PD
Tax
Baldwin
Coldwater Coyote

i'm really not worried about the first three, but i have some concerns about CC. i'm sure he's busy, so this isn't a personal attack, but he's barely been present in our threads, and i know that at least one owner aside from myself has had difficult in communicating with him for trades in recent weeks.
 
205Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 16:09 		We'll see if it was worth it for me to hang on to my top 4 picks in lieu of a couple of higher ranked keepers.

just realized that I'm going to burst MITH's bubble a little bit.

based on Post 68 in this thread, your predecessor swapped your 4th round pick to me. as part of the deal, you got my 5th rounder.

i'm going through now and sorting through all deals involving draft picks, and hopefully there won't be any issues of the same pick being traded.

i will post a comprehensive list in the transaction thread.
 
206Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 16:18 		Man you guys just tag-teamed picking him clean, didn't you.
 
207Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 19:47 		What's the problem, Baldwin? Do you need help with your spelling? His name is spelled Toe Knee Arm Ass, junior :)

In years past, Baldy would bellyache about how hamstrung he felt by ONLY being able to keep seven players, oh, whoa is me... I'm confident that this year he won't be making the same complaint.

You know, Baldwin, you don't have to keep seven, there is no rule against keeping only five and picking two guys at the end of the draft to fill out your roster.
 
208Perm Dude
      ID: 522138
      Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 22:19 		MITH: I don't see you in Yahoo yet. Did you get the invite with the signup information? No rush--just want to make sure you have it.

pd
 
209Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 22:32 		Could I ask if anyone knows how I lost rights to Soria who was a prospect of mine?
 
210Seattle Zen
      ID: 44122722
      Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 23:22 		Joakim Soria [since he did not go over IP how did I lose rights to him? I used him myself and dropped him? My year was so bad I wasn't wasting good prospects by picking them up or so was my conscious strategy. If I did anyway fuhgedaboudit but I want a ruling]

Have you gone senile? You called him up and played him last year. You then cut him and later in the season, I picked him up.
 
211Seattle Zen
      ID: 44122722
      Mon, Mar 03, 2008, 23:29 		And by the way, you can't keep Micah Owings, he's over the limit.

Did you think no one would notice?
 
212Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 09:34 		so is Baldwin fuming...or just simply not responsive. lol

when are we starting the draft? :o) i'll come up with one of my cutesy grids today...

how many rounds are we going?
 
213 Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 09:50 		I'm taking offers for my #1 overall draft pick.

In return I'll want your #1 pick plus an upgrade of 1 of my other early round picks.
 
214Perm Dude
      ID: 4621449
      Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 10:14 		Looking to start the draft 3/10.

MITH: Keep in mind that any draft swaps need to be even on both sides (both sides end up with the same number of picks).
 
215Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 10:16 		Why wait until the 10th?
 
216Perm Dude
      ID: 4621449
      Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 10:28 		I suggested that in #132. By now, I think we're stuck on it.
 
217Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 10:30 		OK. I didn't read that and prepared myself to start the draft today but I'm in no rush.
 
218nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 11:37
I'm taking offers for my #1 overall draft pick.

In return I'll want your #1 pick plus an upgrade of 1 of my other early round picks.

Just curious, why would you do this? I am trying to figure out how it wuld in any way benefit you?

Just a sincere question.

 
219Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 11:45 		Sorry Nerve but I'd rather not offer any hints at my drafting plans for now.
 
220biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 16:01 		From discussion thread 4 of 2007:
Trade details:

I trade:

Curt Schilling
Takashi Saito
2008 3rd Round Draft Pick


Bili trades:

Adrian Gonzalez
Fernando Rodney
2008 1st Round Draft Pick


;(
 
221Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 16:15 		will adjust the grid, but that's why we have the transaction thread fellas. :o)

who was that trade with? MBJ?
 
222biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 16:17 		aye.

Transaction thread? ;)
 
223Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 18:30 		Hey Taxman, how is your "About Time hardball Starts" draft going on Kafenatid? Pretty smooth, I bet ;)

I'm teasing Taxman because his draft at OTC went FUBAR this morning.
 
224Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 20:17 		Geez - I'd actually forgot that....
 
225Tree
      ID: 19252417
      Tue, Mar 04, 2008, 21:26 		MBJ - paypaled you the 9 bucks.
 
226Myboyjack
      ID: 56039812
      Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 10:26 		What is the reason we hasven't gone ahead and started a draft thread on a totally no time pressure (wink,nudge) basis? If MITH or whoever is ready, why not get it on?
 
227coldwater coyotes
      ID: 31943914
      Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 11:58 		How much do I owe and to whom do I send it?
 
228Myboyjack
      ID: 56039812
      Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 12:09 		$9 to Fred.
 
229Action Figure
      ID: 10142321
      Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 23:15 		$9 to Fred.

I have requested a mailing address in the league page. Will you please e-mail me a mailing address or post it in the league message board so I can pay the fee too?
 
230Perm Dude
      ID: 324768
      Thu, Mar 06, 2008, 23:23 		Just replied in the league page.
 
231Tree
      ID: 54223621
      Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 00:31 		i left the most recent grid at work. will post here tomorrow...
 
232Perm Dude
      ID: 025577
      Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 15:39 		Tree, can you post that into the draft thread?

Baldwin: I'm going to need you to sign up in Yahoo ASAP.
 
233Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 17:06 		posted. i think i got it right.
 
234Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Fri, Mar 07, 2008, 19:14 		I'm signed and will send check now that I see an address in the messages at the league site.
 
235Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 10:07 		Does MITH know he is up in this draft?
 
236Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 10:23 		In #216 he was told he had to wait 'till the 10th?
 
237Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 10:31 		Without seeing that PD had prepared the draft I sent a trade offer for my #1 draft pick to Punk42AE this morning and I'd like to give him an opportunity to respond.
 
238Perm Dude
      ID: 3925889
      Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 11:00 		No problem for me.

Anyone else for OTC? Please sign up ASAP.
 
239nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 13:28

PD I didn't see the note on how to sign up for OTC, can you fill me in?

Nerve

 
240Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 14:04 		Tree

I've found that when you load multiple excel tables into a thread they usually get messed up. Not sure if the second table will just fix itself when the first one is deleted.
 
241Perm Dude
      ID: 3925889
      Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 14:37 		nerve, just emailed you.

pd
 
242Tree
      ID: 3125986
      Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 14:54 		interesting. i wonder if i should just delete the second one now?
 
243Perm Dude
      ID: 3925889
      Sat, Mar 08, 2008, 15:45 		PV: check received, thanks.
 
244Seattle Zen
      ID: 529121611
      Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 01:11 		You traded up to get the first pick in order to... wait around and think about it? :)

That Punk always picks first.

Comeon, I don't get to pick until #20, hurry up and take all the good players already!
 
245PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 02:23 		Wait was I supposed to start? I thought we were on hold until PD said go on the 10th?
 
246Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 08:37 		You can pick any time.
 
247Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 11:51 		#239

Same question. What's the scoop with OTC?
 
248Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 12:15 		MITH

I notice all 12 managers are now registered on the Yahoo Minniti league site so players can now be input.
 
249Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 12:15 		I got an invite.
 
250Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 12:16 		Thanks, B. I have family here but I'll bang it out later today.
 
251Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 12:21 		Way too early in the preseason to be rushing you. Just was happy to find the 12th manager registered.
 
252Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 20:43 		Refresh my memory.

Is there a time limit involved when a farmer hits his limit, or can he be picked up as a free agent the next day?
 
253Seattle Zen
      ID: 529121611
      Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 20:46 		7 days.
 
254Perm Dude
      ID: 56220916
      Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 22:06 		Keepers are entered into Yahoo. I'll do the same in OTC sometime right after the first pick. Sorry to be so late, but once I set the order we can't add any managers (and we have 11 of 14 in right now). But it will be very quick to get OTC set up once we close the door.
 
255Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 23:03 		I need the info to register for OTC.
 
256Perm Dude
      ID: 7222921
      Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 23:22 		just re-sent it to you.
 
257 Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 23:29 		I don't have the otc league and password.
 
258Perm Dude
      ID: 7222921
      Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 23:32 		Just sent it. I think I sent it to the relentless address before.
 
259PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 23:39 		Just tell me when...
 
260Seattle Zen
      ID: 529121611
      Sun, Mar 09, 2008, 23:41 		Go.
 
262Boldwin
      ID: 3013265
      Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 00:01 		In OTC now. 8]
 
263 Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 00:14 		PD,
For some reason they have an old non-working address for me.

Here's my real one.
 
264Perm Dude
      ID: 120107
      Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 10:31 		Checking with one last manager if they want to be in OTC. Once they verify one way or the other I'll fire that up.

pd
 
265Myboyjack
      ID: 27210710
      Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 12:15 		Somebody wake up Baldwin.
 
266nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 12:24
This slow down by Baldy is going to hurt my chances of picking today.

It's already 8:15PM here and since I don't have a 1st round pick I'm a good 15-18 picks away.

If things don't start moving I will not be able to leave a list with anyone because the list will be too long.

If I don't get my pick in tonight it will be about 12AM ECT before I make a pick. Just so everyone knows where I stand.

Nerve

 
267Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 12:33 		i just emailed him.
 
268Myboyjack
      ID: 27210710
      Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 12:34 		I'd call him but I've lost his #
 
269Perm Dude
      ID: 402191010
      Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 12:35 		It just rings through to Ann Coulter.

BTW, we have all 14 in at OTC. Give me a few to grab a bite and set it up.
 
270biliruben
      ID: 5610442715
      Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 12:40 		Wahoo! Draft-ting!

Am I up! Am I up!!

Oh. Who stole my first round pick!

Just to let everyone know, my home computer is locked in a shed and my house is full of wet gypsum. Hopefully that won't be a hold-up, just want to know what Baldwin's excuse is.
 
271Myboyjack
      ID: 27210710
      Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 12:40 		It just rings through to Ann Coulter.

hmmm...now there's an idea; maybe we could opst a comment on AC's website to get his attention....
 
272Myboyjack
      ID: 27210710
      Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 12:44 		Do we usually start a draft discussion thread? Can't remember.
 
273nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 12:52

Do we usually start a draft discussion thread? Can't remember.

yeah and why not this thread is getting long anyway...
 
274Perm Dude
      ID: 402191010
      Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:04 		I'm entering keepers right now if someone wants to start a draft discussion thread.

 
275Perm Dude
      ID: 82301110
      Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:30 		Zen: Check received, thanks.
 
276 wiggs
      Sustainer
      ID: 04991311
      Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:31 		PD, please email me your addy again. I misplaced it.