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| Posted by: Boldwin
- [3013265] Sun, Feb 17, 2008, 16:24
The power elite operate in seemingly self-contradictory ways that make their true nature and aims excedingly opaque.
It would be hard to find anyone making more influential waves in the world than George Soros but what does it all mean? What is one to make of him?
To start things out I'll link to one of the last places you'd expect, The Far Left Perspective on George Soros.
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| | | 1 | Boxman
ID: 571114225
Sun, Feb 17, 2008, 19:02
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For some reason the insert a link wasn't working for me. Here is some info some Soros & Obama's relationship a month before Obama's '04 convention speech that really put him on the map.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=%5CNation%5Carchive%5C200407%5CNAT20040727a.html
Little has been made of his connection to Soros, although it is quite unique. Not only did George Soros donate to Obama's campaign, but four other family members - Jennifer, sons Jonathan and Robert and wife Susan - did as well.
Because of a special provision campaign finance laws, the Soroses were able to give a collective $60,000 to Obama during his primary challenge. Obama faced millionaire Blair Hull, which allowed donors to give more than typically allowed.
Obama is one of only a handful of candidates to get a personal contribution from George Soros. The others include Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.), Sens. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), Bob Graham (D-Fla.), John Kerry (D-Mass.), Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), U.S. Rep. Tom Lantos, and former Vermont governor Howard Dean
"Why did George support Obama?" his spokesman, Michael Vachon, asked rhetorically. "Because when they met in Chicago a couple of months ago, it was apparent that Barack Obama was an emerging national leader, and he would be an important addition to the Senate."
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| | | 2 | Boxman
ID: 571114225
Sun, Feb 17, 2008, 19:04
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The conspiracy theorist in me believes Obama wouldn't survive his first term much like JFK. I would be very interested in knowing the background of Obama's VP choice and how it contradicts Obama's own beliefs.
If the power elite love Obama, it must be because of his ability to pacify the masses with his speeches. Now all they have to do is type up the words.
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| | | 3 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Sun, Feb 17, 2008, 22:44
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Uhm, Soros is backing both candidates and trying to undertand him by simply looking at Obama is gonna fail.
The one key thing you can get from that relationship is I think that Obama has learned Orwellian double-talk from Soros.
Political terms are under guerilla attack so that it will soon be impossible to think and talk in the current vocaulary. If you read enuff of Soros philosophy and the output from his foundations you can easily see where the demogog could color them as either right or left wing depending on his purposes and that is partially because Soros isn't going to either of those two places.
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| | | 4 | Wilmer McLain
ID: 581231621
Mon, Feb 18, 2008, 05:10
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I am not a fan of Soros, but I admit he did deal a winning hand backing Albany (NY) DA David Soares.
Profile: Albany D.A. David Soares (Steroids)
Troopergate/Choppergate mess (against Gov. Spitzer and his Aides)
How David Soares believes he and the Albany DA’s office are showing New York the way on Rockefeller reform and public integrity
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In the past year, that has led him down some unexpected paths, from the eventual plea bargain by Comptroller Alan Hevesi (D) to the drunk driving charges against Assembly Member Karim Camara (D–Brooklyn) and State Sen. John Sabini (D–Queens). Then came the summer-long investigation into alleged government misconduct about the use and the tracking of the use of state aircraft in the web of accusations and admitted errors now known as Troopergate.
Toppling Hevesi—especially after the former comptroller’s landslide re-election just weeks earlier—was like nothing most people could remember. But to Soares, this was the clearest demonstration that his office preached and practiced equal standards.
As Robert Morgenthau (D) is responsible for keeping Wall Street honest in Manhattan, Soares believes he is charged with the larger responsibility of cleaning up the state government, no matter how difficult.
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| | | 5 | Boxman
ID: 571114225
Mon, Feb 18, 2008, 06:28
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George Soros & The 1997 Asian Financial Crisis
George Soros Funding MoveOn
At the center of this cluster is the notorious Move On organization, which has received at least $5 million from Soros himself and an unknown amount from organizations he funds. Doesn't take a James Carville to figure out that Soros now has direct access to the most powerful Democrats in the nation. And they had better listen up. —By the way, I want to compliment The New York Times for reporting it.
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| | | 6 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Mon, Feb 18, 2008, 09:01
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Box Now all they have to do is type up the words.
How is this different from anyone who makes it to President?
You don't think a "loose cannon" would be allowed to move into the oval office do you?
We need no more proof that the President is a figure head then to look at the man living there right now.
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| | | 7 | Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Mon, Feb 18, 2008, 21:25
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The original link in the title post is so full of misinformation(and so long), that it would take months to correct. So, in the interest of expedience, before I hit the ski slopes today, let's explore this one paragraph.
It was Soros who saved George W. Bush's bacon when his management of an oil exploration company was ending in failure. Soros was the owner of Harken Energy Corporation, and it was he who bought the rapidly depreciating stocks just prior to the company's collapse. The future president cashed out at almost one million dollars. Soros said he did it to buy "political influence." 15 Soros is also a partner in the infamous Carlyle Group. Organized in 1987, "the world's largest private equity firm" with over twelve billion dollars under management, is run by "a veritable who's who of former Republican leaders," from CIA man Frank Carlucci to CIA head George Bush, Sr. The Carlyle Group makes most of its money from weapons expenditures.
Soros was a part owner of Harken when it bought Bush's Spectrum 7 in 1986. However, when Bush sold his Harken stock in 1990, the basis for charges of insider trading, Soros had already flown the Harken coop. When asked about the original Harken/Spectrum 7 deal, Soros was brutally honest:
Did Soros know Bush back then?
"I didn't know him," Soros replied. "He was supposed to bring in the Gulf connection. But it didn't come to anything. We were buying political influence. That was it. He was not much of a businessman."
link same link used in the article.
His name was George Bush. That was worth the money they paid him. -- Phil Kendrick, Harken Energy's founder
Soros was never a partner in the Carlyle Group. He was an investor, which brought tremendous returns. But just because I own stock in Marathon Oil doesn't make me a partner. So, it's a lie.
OK, went skiing before I finished this post. I must say, today was one of the most beautiful days skiing in the Rockies I've ever had, which probably is in the 300-400 days range.
Back to Soros. As I mentioned in the McCain/Soros thread, the accusations of shadow government attributed to Soros are ludicrous. He is nothing if not candid. A google search for "Soros interview" reveals 1,030,000 hits. Obviously, there's not that many, but get the picture? He's also written numerous books. Does this sound like someone who moves in the shadows and works clandestinely behind the scenes?
As for his principles and ethics, they are based solidly on capitalism, which can be both good and bad. He has a long record of promoting democracy in Hungary, Poland and former states of the USSR, as well as currency manipulations that have caused great harm to certain nations, although within the legal scope of global capitalism.
Is he rich, powerful and politically influential? Sure, but so is the military industrial complex, the pharmaceutical industrial complex, the insurance industrial complex, etc. But you can't put a name to those entities, even mentioning that they exist will get you dismissed as a looney in some circles.
As for the claim that he's anti-American and undermining the War on Terror, compare Soros to American business hero Henry Ford.
In 1915, Jewish pacifist Rosika Schwimmer had gained the favor of Henry Ford, who agreed to fund a peace ship to Europe, where World War I was raging, for himself and about 170 other prominent peace leaders. Ford's Episcopalian pastor, Reverend Samuel S. Marquis, accompanied him on the mission. Marquis also headed Ford's Sociology Department from 1913 to 1921. Ford talked to President Wilson about the mission but had no government support. His group went to neutral Sweden and the Netherlands to meet with peace activists there. As a target of much ridicule, he left the ship as soon as it reached Sweden.
An article G. K. Chesterton wrote for the December 12, 1916, issue of Illustrated London News, shows why Ford's effort was ridiculed. Referring to Ford as "the celebrated American comedian," Chesterton noted that Ford had been quoted claiming, "I believe that the sinking of the Lusitania was deliberately planned to get this country [America] into war. It was planned by the financiers of war." Chesterton expressed "difficulty in believing that bankers swim under the sea to cut holes in the bottoms of ships," and asked why, if what Ford said was true, Germany took responsibility for the sinking and "defended what it did not do." Mr. Ford's efforts, he concluded, "queer the pitch" of "more plausible and presentable" pacifists.
On the other hand H.G. Wells, in "The Shape of Things to Come", devoted an entire chapter to the Ford Peace Ship, stating that "despite its failure, this effort to stop the war will be remembered when the generals and their battles and senseless slaughter are forgotten." Wells claimed that the American armaments industry and banks, who made enormous profits from selling munitions to the warring European nations, deliberately spread lies in order to cause the failure of Ford's peace efforts. He noted, however, that when the U.S. entered the war in 1917, Ford took part and made considerable profits from the sale of munitions.
Ford was anti-semetic, admired Hitler like Papa Kennedy and Grandpappa Bush, but there was nary a peep from the right when Mitt Romney announced his presidential run at the Henry Ford Museum.
But have Soros claim that AIPAC has unduly influenced our foreign policy decisions, and the attack dogs are in full howl.
George W Bush has been an embarrassment as a president. McCain has been a thorn in his side. Why wouldn't Soros, who publicly showed his committment to oust Bush in 2004, support a Bush enemy?
None of this makes McCain(or Obama or Hillary) a slave to the puppetmaster or any other ridiculous title.
The real George Soros, like Henry Ford, is a brilliant man, but egotistical, eccentric and flawed in many ways. The real George Soros is someone the Republicans would love to claim as one of theirs.
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| | | 8 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Mon, Feb 18, 2008, 22:26
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Company from out of state for the midweek so this will have to wait.
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| | | 9 | Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 09:40
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Further examination of the link in the title thread is quite puzzling.
The claim that:
George Soros has been blamed for the destruction of the Thai economy in 1997.10
I googled reference #10-
10.Busaba Sivasomboon, "Soros Speech in Thailand Canceled," AP wire, January 28, 2001.
What are the results?
It brings up the same article under the page title Radio Islam.
Later in the article, this claim is made:
Human Rights Watch prepared the groundwork for the NATO attack on Bosnia in 1993 by the false rape-of-thousands and "genocide" stories. 67
#67 -
Rape As A Crime Against Humanity
Now, you'd expect some type of info that there were false rape and genocide stories perpetrated by Human Rights Watch.
Instead, it actually is an article that supports stories of rape in Bosnia. An example:
Newsday, Sunday, August 23, 1992
by Roy Gutman
Europe Correspondent
Posted with the permission of the author
Tuzla, Bosnia-Herzegovina.--Serbs forces in northern Bosnia systematically raped 40 young Muslim women of a town they occupied early this summer, telling some of their victims they were under orders to do so, the young women say.
Statements by victims of the assault, describing their ordeal in chilling detail, bear out that the Serb conquerers of Bosnia have raped Muslim women, not as a byproduct of the war, but as a prinicipal tactic of the war.
" 'We have orders to rape the girls,' " Mirsada, 23, one of the young victims interviewed by Newsday, said that young man who abducted her told her. He said he was "ashamed to be a Serb" and added that "everything that is going on is a war crime," she said.
Hafiza, also 23, said she sought to dissuade the soldier who raped her. "I tried crying and begging, " she said. "I said, 'You have a mother and a sister, a female in the family.' He said nothing. He didn't want to talk. Then he said 'I must, I must.' I said, 'You must not, if you don't want to.' " But she was unable to stop him.
The incident involved 40 young women from Brezovo Polje, a small town on the Sava River, where conquering forces marched in, seized all the civilians, and dispatched them according to age and gender to their assigned fate.
The rape victims were interviewed in a refugee center, their only refuge after the destruction of economic survival. They agreed to be quoted and photographed, provided they were identified only by first name and age.
Nowhere in reference #67 is there any mention of Human Rights Watch. Nowhere in reference #67 is there any evidence to refute that mass rape occurred in Bosnia.
I think it's safe to say that George Soros: Imperial Wizard/Double Agent
by Heather Cottin
being presented as an example of the real George Soros shows a complete lack of desire in discerning the truth about the real George Soros.
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| | | 10 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Tue, Feb 19, 2008, 22:08
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I'm already on record years ago pointing out that the supposed concentration camps we were led to believe existed in Serbia totally disappeared down the memory hole and we were never shown liberation scene one which was so very very different from the liberation of nazi concentration camps. You may have problems with her links but she would seem to be right in her conclusion.
Even if you could quibble here and there you will have to take the evidence as a whole from far left sources documenting mountains of evidence Soros does things in concert with the goals of [right wing appearing] neocons...
...and then take the mountain of evidence I am going to provide showing you that he has worked in concert with the far left...
...and you are going to be challenged to reconcile the two realities and explain what is really going on.
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| | | 11 | patrik
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Thu, May 22, 2008, 10:17
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| | | 12 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Thu, May 22, 2008, 11:09
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yea, that tends to be my reaction to a lot of Baldwin's posts as well...
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| | | 13 | Boldwin
ID: 58452178
Fri, May 23, 2008, 09:07
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That would be the usefulness of your reactions.
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| | | 14 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, May 23, 2008, 09:55
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day late. dollar short. please try your luck again.
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| | | 15 | Boxman
ID: 3821468
Mon, Apr 06, 2009, 11:17
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Boldwin: George Soros is now out there stating that our banking system is basically "insolvent". What intrigues me is that lending spreads are really high (lending rates - cost of money) so bank profit margins should be doing rather well.
Mark to market accounting exists on paper; like depreciation. And that rule is being relaxed.
So what I'm seeing now is that banks are profitable again (increasing solvency) and that albatross of mark to market is being addressed.
Is this guy Soros full of crap? Is he trashing the banking system only to buy up parts through him or his subsidiaries?
I figured you would know since you look him up a lot.
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| | | 16 | Razor
ID: 371502414
Mon, Apr 06, 2009, 12:34
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LOL. Are you seriously asking for Baldwin's opinion on someone he has characterized as a devil?
Soros isn't the only claiming that the banks are insolvent. That's what this whole (essentially) unlimited bailout thing is about. The banks will be fine long term provided they avoid or are prohibited from digging themselves a hole so deep that they can't get out of, but the hole they are in right now is very deep so while bailouts and favorable legislation make them profitable in the short term, they still have to claw their way out of the dirt just to get back to ground level.
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| | | 17 | Boxman
ID: 3821468
Mon, Apr 06, 2009, 14:13
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Are you going to tell me with a straight face that professional Bar Lowerers like Tree and DWetzel have actually taken the time to formulate, research, and implement a retort to Boldwin that doesn't involve name calling and false accusations of racism?
Because really 99% of what they post is Blackberry based tripe that they finger fvck on the train on their way to/from work.
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| | | 18 | Perm Dude
ID: 23343612
Mon, Apr 06, 2009, 14:15
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Blackberry puts out tripe?
I think you are only saying that because they are a Canadian company.
:)
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| | | 19 | DWetzel
ID: 278201415
Mon, Apr 06, 2009, 15:29
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Are you telling me that a professional troll like Boxman wouldn't do the same?
For the record, I've tried a number of times to respond in a useful, constructive manner. Often, and by certain specific individuals, it's been met with, alternately, a drooling stare or a "but liberulz is EVUL!" response. So I don't bother with those that can't be bothered to try to respond intelligently.
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| | | 20 | Baldwin
ID: 132854
Mon, Apr 06, 2009, 21:31
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Boxman
My take on Soros' current machinations is that he is making deliberately self-fulfilling negative prophesies regarding the G-20 meeting in order to exacerbate the situation.
Indeed most banks unloaded all that bad paper on FM/FM and other outlets and small and midsize banks are doing much better than perception.Is he trashing the banking system only to buy up parts through him or his subsidiaries? - Boxman No, he is trashing the system because chaos is the environment that political revolutionaries like him thrive and operate in. The profit is a devilish part of the process but not the point.
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| | | 21 | Baldwin
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Mon, Apr 06, 2009, 21:34
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But come to think of it, buying fully functional thriving banks at their current price, one tenth actual value, is likely something he'd be doing, I'd expect.
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| | | 22 | Tree
ID: 61411921
Tue, Apr 07, 2009, 01:04
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professional Bar Lowerers like Tree
says the guy who, along with Baldwin, is the king of unprovoked attacks.
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| | | 23 | Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Tue, Feb 22, 2011, 18:31
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Congo Colonel Gets 20 Years At Rape Trial
Nearly 50 women poured out their stories in a wave of anguish that ended Monday with the conviction of an army colonel for crimes against humanity — a landmark verdict in this Central African country where thousands are believed to be raped each year by soldiers and militia groups who often go unpunished.
It was the first time a commanding officer had been tried in such an attack.
Prosecutors had sought the death penalty for Lt. Col. Mutuare Daniel Kibibi, who was accused of ordering his troops on New Year's Day to attack the village of Fizi, a sprawling community 20 miles (35 kilometers) south of Baraka on an escarpment of mountains covered in banana trees.
Military prosecutor Col. Laurent Mutata Luaba said the men "behaved like wild beasts," terrorizing defenseless civilians they had orders to protect.
Doctors later treated 62 women for rape. One woman testified that Kibibi himself raped her for 40 minutes.
At least 8,300 rapes were reported in 2009 alone, and aid workers say the true toll is much higher. The victims have included a month-old baby boy and elderly women. Even the biggest U.N. peacekeeping force in the world of 18,000 troops has been unable to end the violence.
You'd think someone, somewhere would attempt to step in and try to stop the tens of thousands of rapes these Congolese women endure. Hey, someone did!
Monday's verdict came only after prosecutors and lawyers were ferried to this remote corner of eastern Congo, which is accessible from the provincial capital only by helicopter or a nearly nine-hour road journey.
The mobile court was paid for by George Soros' Open Society Initiative and aided by several other agencies, including the American Bar Association, Lawyers Without Borders and the U.N. Mission to Congo.
Activists said they hoped the verdict would serve as a warning to others who expect to attack civilians with impunity.
"If word about the court is spread around the country, it could have an enormous impact on deterring future crimes, now that the rule of law is finally being enforced domestically, to at least some extent," said Kelly D. Askin of Open Society Justice Initiative.
This will be a hard one to negatively spin.
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| | | 24 | Tree
ID: 320371412
Tue, Feb 22, 2011, 19:19
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This will be a hard one to negatively spin.
it's also hard to excuse murder, torture, and the desecration of a corpse. but there's always someone willing to defend that, and i'm sure there will be someone to find a way to put a negative spin on this.
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| | | 25 | Boldwin
ID: 58119236
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 07:20
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professional Bar Lowerers like Tree
Is the new standard 'has done something helpful once'? I am sure even Kim Il, Pol Pot and Idi Amin did something helpful to someone, even inadvertently.
Every tyrant on earth thinks he's the giver of all good things. They need to be judged on the overall impact of their policies as well as their respect for individual rights of each person.
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| | | 26 | Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 11:02
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You're putting Soros in the same league with Kim Il, Pol Pot and Idi Amin?
That's beyond delusional.
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| | | 27 | Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 12:27
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professional Bar Lowerers like Tree
1. pay me if you're going to call me a professional.
2. i can't remember the last time you were insulted personally by me, yet you continue to take pot shots at me. if that makes you feel good about yourself, by all means, continue to do that and continue to worship your "heroes".
and mods - feel free to delete or leave up Baldwin's posts as you see fit. if we were to remove every post of his that had a personal attack, he'd be an infrequent poster at best.
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| | | 28 | DWetzel at work
ID: 49962710
Wed, Feb 23, 2011, 13:18
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Peanut gallery comment: I'd rather we were actually consistent and deleted them. Maybe then he'd stop. (Yes, I laughed when I said that too.)
Now, to be fair, he's merely quoting someone who managed to be such a violent troll that he actually did get himself banned. Of course, it's from two years ago, so the intent is pretty clear nonetheless. I doubt I'd get a hall pass if, purely hypothetically, Tree said Boldwin was a psycho racist scumbag and then I quoted it.
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