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| Posted by: Jag
- [5112883] Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 15:28
This will allow an almost completely Muslim state in Eastern Europe. Kosovo only demanded independence because of American backing, this will not be remembered later. They may be waving American flags at the moment, but they will be burning them in a few years. |
| | | 1 | Perm Dude
ID: 7144238
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 15:31
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Why are we against a state because they are Muslim?
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| | | 2 | Perm Dude
ID: 7144238
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 15:36
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Just to be clear: Pakistan, it its constitution, calls itself an "Islamic republic." Yet your panties got seriously in a knot in this thread when it was suggested that, if a Muslim state doesn't act in our best interest and fulfill their stated obligations, that we go it alone in capturing terrorists.
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| | | 3 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 37838313
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 15:40
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Yikes Jag. I haven't seen you display this bigotry before.
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| | | 4 | Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 15:55
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Jag doesn't seem too concerned with Serbs attacking and burning our embassy in Belgrade. I wonder what his reaction would be if that were to happen in a Muslim country?
I'm thinking Jag would be craving a massive bombing campaign.
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| | | 5 | walk
ID: 381351512
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 16:06
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I gotta admit, Jag, I'm not sure why the issue here has to be about religion. Your post seems to assume that most muslim states are eventually going to be attacking America. This seems pretty prejudicial. What about PV's point in #4?
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| | | 7 | Jag
ID: 5112883
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 20:10
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I just don't see how aiding this revolution is in our best interest. The Muslims will later just hate us, the many, that can't stand Albanians, will hate us more and the minority Serbs in Kosovo will now be persecuted.
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| | | 8 | sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 20:16
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This will allow an almost completely Muslim state in Eastern Europe.
You mean, like this predominantly Christian state we call the "United States of America"? Or are you referring more to that Jewish State, we call "Israel"? Or maybe, those predominantly Muslim states we collectively refer to as the "Middle East"? Or is your complaint, the essentially Catholic state called "Italy"? I'm just not sure Jag, where your problem actually lies in this regard.
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| | | 9 | Jag
ID: 5112883
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 20:21
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IF a new Muslim state pops up, then so be it, but we don't need to be providing rifles and Korans to them.
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| | | 10 | sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 20:54
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When did we ever supply Korans on a national scale and to whom?
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| | | 11 | JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 21:03
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What is happening is Kosovo is ridiculous.
The best example I can give is that say in 50 years the UN forced America to give California to Mexico because 90% of the population is Mexican. (I believe it is currently 12%)
It's a joke....
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| | | 12 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 21:16
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The best example I can give is that say in 50 years the UN forced America to give California to Mexico because 90% of the population is Mexican.
Well, even if rhe population was "90% Mexican", whatever that means, you'd have to add in the part about people from Nevada and Arizona murdering thousands of Mexicans with the aid of the government in Washington......
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| | | 13 | JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 21:22
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Well, even if rhe population was "90% Mexican", whatever that means
Kosovo is 90% albanian. That is the basis of them being "awarded" kosovo even though it is Serbian land. That is what I mean by using my 90% mexican example.
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| | | 14 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 22:00
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The best example I can give is that say in 50 years the UN forced America to give California to Mexico because 90% of the population is Mexican.
That would be a bad example. It might be a little closer if you said that California declared its independence from the US because 90% of the population spoke a foreign language and was a persecuted religious minority.
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| | | 15 | Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 22:20
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By the way, there is already a European country with a Muslim plurality, Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Bosnian Muslims love America and there are quite a few of them here in the US who are still practicing Muslims and American citizens. Believing that all Muslims hate America is ridiculous.
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| | | 16 | Madman
ID: 14139157
Sat, Feb 23, 2008, 23:56
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"It might be a little closer if you said that California declared its independence from the US because 90% of the population spoke a foreign language and was a persecuted religious minority."
It's not even that ... Kosovo arguably was never legally a dependent state of Serbia (aside from Stalinist mandates). This is still a residual of the post-WWI Hapsburg empire crackup.
Whether it is in our best interests or not, I don't know. It is the natural conclusion of the '99 Kosovo war. There are risks with the move. I think the best arguments, however, are that (a) the status quo was non-viable and at least the Serbian elections are just over, giving them some time to cool, hopefully, (b) legally they have a strong claim to independence, (c) if we had wanted to quibble with this outcome, we never should have gone to war to support them. I didn't support that war, but that argument is over. The question is what now ... and this seems like a reasonable result given the mess we put ourselves into ... I haven't heard much about the counter-genocide (U.S. supported or otherwise), so I can only hope that isn't an issue ...
All 3 candidates, from what I can gather, seem to support independence, with HRC and McC having longer-term support for obvious reasons. Obama doesn't have declared beliefs on the subject in his foreign policy section, but he did issue a press release that seemed to support it.
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| | | 17 | JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Sun, Feb 24, 2008, 08:05
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Ron Paul is against it :), wish he was a major candidate
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| | | 18 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Sun, Feb 24, 2008, 09:11
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I just don't see how aiding this revolution is in our best interest. The Muslims will later just hate us,
As someone who has lived in a Muslim country the last year and a half, I'd be hard pressed to think of even one incident where I felt I was slighted because I am an American.
On the contrary I am generally treated better by the Musim government then they treat people from India, for example who are fellow Muslims...
So much for that theory.
If you had told me before I moved here I wouldn't of believed it. It's hard to comprehend how much influence our culture and the British culture has had on these more or less moderate states until you've experienced it.
They watch our movies and listen to our music and in many ways want to be more like us.
I tell anyone and everyone who asks where I am from, and when I plop down my passport to a government official, it is now my expectation I will be treated BETTER then most other cultures here.
It's not that I arrogantly expect it, it's just what I have come to understand is the norm here.
I understand why this seems shocking to anyone who hasn't experienced it but I'm telling you this is how it is.
I doubt the people of Kosovo are going to hate their liberators.
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