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Subject: baseball 2008 DRAFT DISCUSSION thread.

Posted by: biliruben - [5610442715] Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:10

Stop shouting, bili.

I can'ts helps it. It's tooooo exciting!

biliruben
ID: 5610442715
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:13

Okay. It's afternoon in Chicagee.

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:16

I'm this close to calling information for David Helton - what town does he live in?

Me wants to pick.

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:18

There's no letter T in B's last name.

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:18

And I believe it's Pioria.

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:19

right

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:31

Does Peru, IL sound right?

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:33

I talked to his wife (she's very nice); she's going to to try and get ahold of him. He's at work.....

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:34

Yep. (post 21 here)

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:34

Is it me or does it seem like Baldwin is always on this forum except right now when it's his turn to pick.

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:37

MITH - you by far have the best Rotoguru forum search skills.... :)

Anyone who can and will - please post your tele # for contact;

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:41

718.two49.seven0o4

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:42

(3SixOh) 56Two-1171

My phone when tits up in February and I had to send it to Motorola for repair. It was gone for 15 days, and when I got it back... I had received one phone call.

So, I have plenty of minutes. :)

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:46

(6oh7)sixtwofour-8six7six texts are best for me when at work, but if you leave a message i will try to call back. Sometimes it just takes a while. I work 2 jobs.

biliruben
ID: 5610442715
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:46

C: (206) 7duece4-(5squared)(7squared-1)

Now only bots wit' math skilz can spam me!

what a f'in paranoid geek...

I really am going to be out of contact except for 9-5ish PDT, so don't hesitate to call. After 7am (10 eastern) please. My boy usually gets me up well before 6, but there is the occasional treasured gift hour of sleep.

I will do my best to leave Qs, but given I haven't yet gotten a chance to do any research (and probably won't, except on the fly), they will not be long Qs. 5 will probably be the max I'm willing to go, at least early on. I'll have a name or two in my head while away from my computer, however, so give a ring.

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:49

I will be leaving queues at kafenatid.

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:49

When I'm around I will be pretty aggressive about calling (or texting if preferred), so if you don't want me pestering you, speak plain - it won't hurt my feelings.

I'm motivated to get this draft over before I leave for vacation.

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 13:53

I should be ready to pick if you text leave the players picked since my last pick and I will get back to you shortly. That would be awesome. Thanks

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 14:08

011 + 971 50 728 5430

you can text me which is the cheapest way to contact me.

nerve in dubai

Perm Dude
ID: 402191010
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 14:31

OK, I'm still working through the trades in OTC, but the first round is right and so I'm opening it up for everyone to use. I'll be out of the office for about 2 hours and hope to work up the rest of the trades in OTC then.

Queue up!

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 14:48

PD - I have pick 08.14

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 14:56

I just emailed AF

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 14:57

It doesn't help when the only 3 players that excited me this early were taken already.

Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 15:30

so do i need to update the grid tonight? i am awfully confused. lol

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 15:36

I called AF and got voice mail.

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 15:56

I just got in and can pick soon...

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 16:12

1 815 224 4220

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 16:19

Made my pick.

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 16:22

My updated contact info in league message board.

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 16:26

I forget, how did I get number 13 in the draft again?

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 16:29

The Frenchman?

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 16:40

Oui, oui

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 16:41

tree emailed

I'll be out for a few hours

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 16:53

i just put about 20 guys in my OTC queue, feel free to use it for the 1st 2 picks.

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 16:55

If draft reachs me before a return @ 10-11 PM CST tonite...I left a queue on OTC for Fred and the wiley coyote

Action Figure
ID: 22148145
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 16:59

"i just put about 20 guys in my OTC queue, feel free to use it for the 1st 2 picks."

Cool what's your password?

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 17:10

Don't have to use a PW as long as you are set to a designated picker.

Action Figure
ID: 22148145
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 17:23

j/k wanted to have a look at your queue.

Perm Dude
ID: 402191010
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 17:26

#20: Was that part of a trade?

Pancho Villa
ID: 495272016
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 17:27

Just got home from golfing with the nephew. Will pick in a minute.

Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 19254914
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 17:29

Perm Dude

Are you able to make the Queue Status at On The Clock available for all of us to see?

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 17:31

You know, trading away my first round pick wasn't that bad an idea. Every year, despite spending so many hours preparing for this draft, I always assume some player was kept when he wasn't. This year I had thought that both Furcal and Harang were kept. I'd be kicking myself if I had drafted someone, then Tree takes Harang, who I really like.

Hope that jinxes him ;)

Perm Dude
ID: 402191010
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 17:40

#40: No, unfortunately. Looks like that is an Admin only function.

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 17:59

I'm taking Wiggs at his word in post #33.

Perm Dude
ID: 402191010
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 18:06

I'll be out for a couple of hours. MBJ, if you can fill me in on 8.14 (which is actually 1.14 of this supplemental draft?) let me know.

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 18:11

Taxman and Coldwater

Please make your picks in the Draft thread. OTC is our back-up.

biliruben
ID: 5610442715
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 18:37

PD - I traded MBJ my first pick for some chump I couldn't keep and you were the beneficiary of.

You could have had him and a couple other 1st round picks for a 2nd rounder, btw. Something to think about for next year.

Tree
ID: 342471016
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 18:50

here..will pick shortly...

Perm Dude
ID: 402191010
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 19:42

Thanks. I just found out that I can make trades on OTC which are uneven. For example, I just "traded" 8.14 from bili to MBJ without bili getting anything. This'll make it much easier.

biliruben
ID: 5610442715
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 19:48

Well... except I got his third.

Here's the full transaction from the previous thread:

From discussion thread 4 of 2007:

Trade details:

I trade:

Curt Schilling
Takashi Saito
2008 3rd Round Draft Pick

Bili trades:

Adrian Gonzalez
Fernando Rodney
2008 1st Round Draft Pick

Perm Dude
ID: 402191010
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 19:55

Done. This is way too easy. Will grab a bite to eat, then finish with the rest of the trades.

Action Figure
ID: 22148145
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 20:19

I'm up?

Tree
ID: 342471016
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 20:28

yes, i believe so

Action Figure
ID: 22148145
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 20:48

Got it

biliruben
ID: 5610442715
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 20:56

9 eastern. 15 picks. I'm assuming things aren't getting back to me.

I'll pick around 8-9am pacific when I get into work.

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 21:45

just got home; pick in a sec

Tree
ID: 342471016
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 22:28

i believe i'm up. unless anyone else speaks contrary in the next 3 minutes, i'll probably pick. :o)

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 22:32

you're up

Tree
ID: 342471016
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 22:32

woops. girlfriend just called. will pick when we're off the phone. sorry...

Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 00:41

Is Punk East or West Coast? Central Time? Am I going to get to pick tonight, I'm 2.06?

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 00:56

I'm checking now and then.

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 01:20

Perm Dude
ID: 402191010
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 01:23

Off to bed folks. I'll catch up on any OTC picks, as necessary, when I'm back in the office, about 9-10AM EST.

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 03:05

When it's late on the east coast and everyone is headed to bed, I am just waking up. If anyone wants to send me a short cue, or permission on otc please do. There are still west coasters who can pick late at night and it will help keep the draft moving.

Use the emal address above but also mention in the draft thread you are leaving it.

Nerve

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 06:55

Just a heads up, I doubt AF will be up for a couple more hours. I will send an email and call in the morning

Action Figure
ID: 22148145
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 07:50

"Just a heads up, I doubt AF will be up for a couple more hours. I will send an email and call in the morning"

SZ owns that pick.

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 08:12

SZ owns that pick.

Geez you are right, I don't know what I was looking at. Sorry.

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 10:24

I have to step out for 30 mins max. it's 7:21 Am west coast (Zen is up). I will check in as soon as I am back. Haven't made up my mind so don't want to leave a list.

30 mins

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 11:11

I'm back.

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 11:34

Didn't Foley resign?

MBJ wrong thread...8-} Unless you mean Oak Pitcher Foley?

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 11:39

Terribly sorry. I got up last night at 4:30am to make this pick and my computer wouldn't boot. It had this problem last week, but I thought we had solved it. Recycled Spinal Fluid brought over his ancient laptop as a backup and THAT wouldn't boot, either. Two computers - no access. I need to talk to RSF today and hope to figure this out. I ordered a new computer last week, should arrive before the draft is over.

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 11:50

zen -there you go. You got my 1st pick of the draft and were good on Mauer....LOL

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 11:52

Dam I wanted Mauer so bad, and he almost made it back.

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 11:53

OK I have to ask the league.

I just picked up Joe Mauer at pick 117 in our draft.

Now I know he's had injury problems (Zen sure knows) but he is top 80 at worse on every cheat sheet I see, many have him in the 60's and 50's.

What gives?

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 11:56

Two computers - no access

Zen there's a nice little internet cafe right down the street from me...of course it's a little smokey and full of loud men in white robes but it will get the job done.

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 11:57

I ordered a new computer last week, should arrive before the draft is over

So what are you going to do, during, the draft.

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 11:58

He had an off year and it soured people on him a bit. There are still a lotta choice players out there at this point.

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:00

Now I know he's had injury problems (Zen sure knows) but he is top 80 at worse on every cheat sheet I see, many have him in the 60's and 50's.

What gives?

I like him, but I needed a pitcher and Shields was my target from the beginning. There are two camps, those who totally hate catchers and postpone drafting them until the very end, and those who use a high pick to get one of the few decent ones. I think most of us are the former.

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:21

on every cheat sheet I see, many have him in the 60's and 50's.

What gives?

I have him ranked 105th on a Rotowire generated cheatsheet taylored to our league parameters.

Beyond that, the anwser to why Mauer and a lot of other players last longer than expected (or dictated by cheatsheets) is pretty simple. Cheatsheets can never take into consideration runs on scarce remaining positions. Consider, with the number shortstops remaining on the table, Furcal, Guillen and Tejada become much more valuable than Mauer, since every catcher is still available. Cheatsheets can also never take into consideration runs on players who rack up stats in more specialized categories, such as base stealers (consider that Juan Pierre was kept by a team as loaded as Zen's) and closers. How many closers does your cheatsheet rank in the top 117 compared with how many are off the table right now?

Perm Dude
ID: 82301110
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:30

since every catcher is still available.

Except for the three (VMart, McCann, Martin) who were keepers. I think that this makes Mauer more valuable.

pd

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:33

I knew I should have checked that. Still, the more realistic inclusion of closers bridges the difference between my sheet and this draft.

Tree
ID: 3533298
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:37

I think Mauer was a good solid pick here - he's a good young hitter who has keeper potential. I looked at him, but felt i had other needs that were more pressing.

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 13:03

Arg, you f'in bastard, Tax.

I couldn't believe my luck that I actually looked to have a shot at Chad.

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 13:15

All other catchers pale after my man Martin, and should be taken in the 14th round.

Any opinions about keeping Martin in my other, 4 keepers league? The alternatives are slim - stupid pitchers, Adrian or Andrew Jones. I figure I gotta keep Martin, but it seems crazy to keep a catcher with only 4 keepers.

Tree
ID: 3533298
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 13:21

will pick within 5...

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 13:36

bili...glad to know someone feels screwed in this draft. I do.

Last summer, before I understood the value of "assets" in this league, I traded Rollins for Billingsly, (Manhatten for $21 ring a bell) and then wound up not keeping him through a series of very bad decisions on my part.

I am surprised/pleased to get him back...for his potential. If he can cut his BB/9, he get to elite pitcher status.

Or not.

BTW...I may be out of pocket from after dinner tonight through tomorrow night. I'll leave aqueue for PD. If it runs dry, hopefully he can call me on my cell.

Perm Dude
ID: 82301110
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 13:45

If you can, please remember to pick up your players in OTC. I'm catching up as I can so no real worries, but I'd like to keep current so that the notifications as to being up to draft are current as well.

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 13:51

Do we have to pay to go past 3 rounds in OTC and if so how do we do it?

Perm Dude
ID: 82301110
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 14:04

Already covered.

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 14:05

Man, finding out that I don't have a 4th round pick really messed me up. I definitely would have used a different pre-draft trade strategy.

I seriously considered punting saves considering I only have 3 picks before the 5th round and that I'd have to blow two of them to secure two guys with solid holds on a closer job. I probably would have been much better off.

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 14:06

How many closers does your cheatsheet rank in the top 117 compared with how many are off the table right now?

Yeah and everyone overpays in this league because they know how many vultures there are during the regular season circling for fresh meat to throw on their bench as soon as there's a whiff they might be the new closer (Bili).

Lots of Roto Gurus say "oh, don't over pay for closers you can grab some of the waiver wire"...yeah well they haven't played in this league. Grabbing the "next replacement closer" is like tracking the Lochness monster.

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 14:10

Yeah. It gets old, however.

You see? I picked a closer with my first pick!

Someone else was doing a better vulture imitation than me last year. You or Tree, I think.

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 14:17

Yeah and everyone overpays in this league because they know how many vultures there are during the regular season circling for fresh meat to throw on their bench as soon as there's a whiff they might be the new closer (Bili).

Lots of Roto Gurus say "oh, don't over pay for closers you can grab some of the waiver wire"...yeah well they haven't played in this league. Grabbing the "next replacement closer" is like tracking the Lochness monster.

Very true. I had unbelievable luck last season with saves. I kept Chris Ray (oh, boy!) and drafted Brian Fuetnes, yet managed to finish second. Jose Valverde was my savior, but I was able to make two waiver wire pick ups. Coldwater had just cut Brian Hennessey when he was named the Giants' closer. I had the second waiver priority, behind YOU, and I gobbled him up. Likewise, I headed the sage advise to pick up J. Soria right before the trade deadline when the sages were saying that KC was likely to trade O Dotel away. They did and Soria kept me in a few saves. Very lucky last year. The odds of finishing second in saves again this year are shrinking as the closers come off the board.

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 14:22

I had Capps (I think it was him) before he was closer and after I dumped him while he was on the waiver wire, he was named closer and someone scooped him up.

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 14:23

I had both capps and hennessey at some point very soon before they got the job, but I churn too much, and had cut them for marginally higher potential relievers.

Perm Dude
ID: 82301110
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 14:28

I'm just hoping to finish in the top half with saves, even with two closers already in the stable.

Will pick in about 10-15. Sifting through a lot of queued players right now.

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 14:31

No, it was Zen who was vultch-extrordinaire. How could I forget.

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 14:45

My contact info is in the league message board.

Please call if my pick comes up.

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 14:54

just hoping to finish in the top half with saves

I think if you set out to accomplish much more than that you're usually shooting yourself in the foot.

100

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 14:59

More on Mauer. As I said my Rotowire sheet has him at #105. At ESPN's top 250 he was #80. KFFL's top 200 has him at #150.

101

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:00

Do we have to pay to go past 3 rounds in OTC and if so how do we do it?

Perm Dude Already covered.

Sorry but does that mean it's already been explained, or...yes we have to pay but someone has already paid it? If so who do I reimburse?

102

Perm Dude
ID: 82301110
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:01

OK, kicked around a lot of names, but with Helton moving to third in the order I think it is time to pick him up now.

Some great names still on the board.

103

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:01

Gotta nap briefly and then prolly take a quick trip to Peoria and visit my mom in the hospital.

I've got enuff in the Q for the upcoming pick and everyone is enabled to pick for me.

104

Perm Dude
ID: 82301110
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:03

#101: I paid the ten bucks already for OTC, and there's no need to reimburse me. In fact, since most payments I'm getting seem to round up the amount owed for the Yahoo Plus league, I don't think I'll be out anything anyway.

pd

105

Pancho Villa
ID: 495272016
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:06

I was the one who had Capps most of last year, and almost kept him before the Hamels deal came up. Originally I was going to keep one starter(Oswalt) and two closers between Street, Capps, Jenks and C Cordero.
I'm plenty happy Manny Corpas dropped to me, though.

106

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:12

It sounds like we all had capps. Maybe it was my other league.

I'll pick in a few.

107

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:13

Oops. I just emailed MBJ.

108

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:40

Sorry. That was more agonizing that it needed to be, given the uninspired pick.

109

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:51

I was on OTC.

I was moving Vazquez up to the top of my cue.

After the page reset he was gone.

I thought it was a mistake so I hit the back button and moved him up again, again he disappeared.

Then I realized...

110

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:54

Oh I thought it was $10 per manager which seemed a little high PD.

111

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:55

When leaving a cue on OTC does the person picking for you only see your next pick, or does he see your whole list?

112

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:56

I think you have the option.

113

Action Figure
ID: 82581113
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:58

5 minutes.

114

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:59

you can set it up for 1st player only

115

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 16:19

OK I picked. Here's the deal, it's midnight here, I will be up in 8 hours, about 12AM EST. Will this draft get back around to me?

I can leave a short cue but I hate to make a decision that is 13 picks away. Part of my process will be what positions are taken.

This draft is going fast. does it seem likely we get through 13 more in 8 hours...yes.

Maybe I leave a 5-7 man cue and hope one is left.

Also text my cell phone, I will hear it and get up to draft.

nerve

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nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 16:37

OK left 10 man cue, whole league chosen to pick for me. If for some crazy reason it goes around twice 26? picks, please don't pick twice let me check in at midnight and see what's up.

Nerve

117

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 16:49

I my next pick comes up before 9:00 p.m. please call or text me: 185nine58two717two or email me.

118

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 17:44

I may be out of pocket from after dinner tonight through tomorrow night. I'll leave aqueue for PD. If it runs dry, hopefully he can call me on my cell.

-Tax

119

Tree
ID: 26291117
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 19:09

just got home. i think i'm up. if so, i'll pick in a few...

120

Tree
ID: 26291117
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 19:31

man. i don't know about having two young Giants in my rotation...but, i just couldn't pass up Cain at this point...

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biliruben
ID: 36219111
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 19:34

Well jeez. I had two picks lined up with two to go until my pick, and all be darned if those also-rans from last year aren't getting even.

Give me a few to adjust to life without Alex Gordan.

122

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 19:41

I panicked.

123

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 19:43

Isn't there a restraining order between you two, Bili? If not, there should be :)

Just one last time, for old time's sake, eh!

124

Tree
ID: 26291117
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 19:44

good lord. i'm up again?

un momento.

125

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 19:45

I thought you, of all people, would be happy for us Zen.

I suppose it might not be a coincidence that the only year I didn't own him I won. No, no.

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Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 19:54

PD
I think there are a couple of mistakes in the trades you've made for the 4th (11th in Kaf) and 5th (12th) rounds.

I do not have pick 4.12 (or 11.12 in Kafenatid or #54 overall). That's Tree's pick.

I should have pick 5.03/12.03/#59. I got that from Punk42AE when we exchanged 1st round picks.

Punk should have pick 5.12/12.12/#68. He got that pick from me in the same deal after Tree traded it to Sox last year along with some magic beans.

127

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 20:09

My only consolation is that it would have been hard to take looking out at the hot-corner at some creature from MIB IV.

On the plus side, he does seem to be aware of the benefits of a vaporizer.

128

Tree
ID: 26291117
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 21:04

Punk just send me a text. he said don't use his queue, as he'll pick around 10:30 pm...

129

Perm Dude
ID: 82301110
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 21:47

#126: OK, will fix in a sec.

pd

130

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 22:48

Going to bed with 5 players in Q. I should be up and down to check but with the ever present threat of crashing hard. That round trip to Peoria knocks me out.

131

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 01:21

Give me a few to adjust to life without Alex Gordan

I actually was deciding between Gordan and Kendrick with my last pick. The only reason I took Kendrick is only 7 managers had picked 2nd base but 10 had taken third. I thought he had better odds of falling but I suppose everyone's read the hype.

132

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 01:23

MBJ left his que off so I guess we are done for the night/morning here.

133

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 07:14

Sorry, didn't realize about the Q thingie.

I emailed AF, I'll leave it to nerve to decide when it's not too early to call him.

134

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 07:53

Might be a little early for AF. He works late hours sometimes.

135

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 07:56

AF had the que on, I picked for him, will post in a minute then pick for myself also.

136

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 08:18

done

137

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 08:35

text sent to wiggs

138

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 09:47

I just edited the draft thread. When I picked Kelvim Escobar from AF's cue I forgot to mention in the post it was for AF. I've now corrected that. It makes it appear the pick was made in the incorrect order but it's only because of the revision.

139

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 10:57

I'm here and figured I was holding up the draft. Still don't have access at home but I hope that won't impact us.

140

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 11:22

Are you still wanting a call when it's your pick, Zen?

141

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 11:27

After 8pm Eastern, yes, please.

142

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 11:27

Here's a question -- for those of you who set queues and make them available to designated pickers, why would you not choose everyone in the league as your DPs?

143

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 11:50

post 56 and 57 in the regular draft thread are clasic. (Don't delete either)

I have come to the side of liking OTC if used along with the draft thread so we keep the flavor of the league. The ques are eliminating some bumps.

144

Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:15

will pick in a few...

145

Pancho Villa
ID: 495272016
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:39

I'm out for several hours. It's a bit too far away for me to leave a que, but I'll be back between 2-3PM, Rocky Mountain time.

146

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:49

Texted bili.

Assuming my math is right.

147

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:52

This is going slower today.

I am going out for a few hours I will activate a cue, hopefully it will last.

149

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 13:00

Much slower. It seems that some of the more vocal advocates of On The Clock don't bother to put it to use.

I'm up in three picks and will leave a queue set and made available while I'm out to pick up lunch in case I come up before I get back. But there's a good chance it won't do anyone any good.

150

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 13:08

With the addition of the otc cue if people would turn it on when they know they won't be near a computer we can move things along.

I've left a 7 long cue and I'm headed out. Available to whole league.

Let's start communicating.

151

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 13:08

Sometime's it's like you're reading my mind...

152

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 13:12

Here.

153

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 13:23

You passed, Mith!

154

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 13:26

huh?

155

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 13:29

The math test. I thought you'd want to know.

Had to pick the Beach Boy due to scarcity issues.

In past drafts I had been missing my closers by one or two picks. This draft, they're being forced down my throat. Hopefully my vulture days are over.

156

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 13:31

Bili put it in OTC maybe wiggs has que open...

157

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 13:31

text sent to wiggs

158

Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 13:33

It seems that some of the more vocal advocates of On The Clock don't bother to put it to use.

well, if we were drafting on OTC, i would be putting it to use. we're using it as a supplement, which is cool, but we're drafting on the boards, so i'm not even thinking to check OTC until AFTER i pick here.

159

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 13:33

he just replied that he's on it. 30 players have come off the table since my last pick and i am eager.

160

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 13:38

I've got a queue up on OTC, but not sure if it will last through my next two picks. Again tonight i'll be back at 10:30ish.

161

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 13:53

Arg. Now you guys are making me regret taking a closer. With Bonderman and Butler gone, my short-list just got shorter.

162

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 14:07

I have to step out for a bit; if Baldwin picks, someone please text me or email me and I will pick if I'm able or send you the pick. I won't be gone long...

163

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 14:08

Baldwin picked.

164

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 14:10

I hope MBJ is OK with the selection I just made for him.

165

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 14:12

Just called MBJ and he's OK with that pick.

166

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 14:17

Thanks for moving things along, MITH.

167

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 14:19

Sometimes I get too impatient.

168

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 14:35

I am going to be away for a little while. I left a queue that should get me through 2 rounds. Only request, please do not take 2 players in the same position. If it comes up that way please text me and I will let you know what to do.
Thanks
wiggs

169

Perm Dude
ID: 58257128
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 14:35

Must be the gay brothel being run out of your apartment...

170

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 14:37

PD, my check is in the mail for my dues. Sent it last night.

171

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 14:37

Actually PD that's one of the more calming elements in my life currently.

By the way Barney says hello.

172

tree on the treo
ID: 40842210
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 16:28

man...that billy butler pick killed me. I seriously thought he'd last several more rounds....

173

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 16:30

The way I see it, we should be getting through three rounds a day. I should be making a pick in the early morning either from my Q or after I awake and I should get through two more rounds. At that rate, we should do rounds 8, 9 and 10 tomorrow, 11, 12, 13 on Friday and finishing Saturday. That's ideal as we really have had a hard time rapping this thing up on a weekend in the past.

So far we've avoided any major hang-ups. Congrats to all. Now, quit taking my guys!

174

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 16:42

OK bed time here but I will leave an open que.

call if it's used up.

Didn't Tax say he really liked the OTC que? Or was that my imagination?

Things are moving along though...

175

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 17:23

Baldwin since I assume you still aren't receiving email please see the new rule proposal in the Rob Minniti league preseason discussion thread.

176

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 17:24

Perm - it's time to call

Taxman -

BTW...I may be out of pocket from after dinner tonight through tomorrow night. I'll leave a queue for PD. If it runs dry, hopefully he can call me on my cell.

177

Perm Dude
ID: 58257128
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 17:50

I didn't receive anything from him--just sent him a note. His queue on OTC is not available to me.

178

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 18:58

It's been over 3 hours now. He has made picks in other drafts on OTC in the past hour. What's going on?

179

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 19:06

PD
As league commish, if you don't see his queue I'm pretty sure that means he doesn't have one. There should be a setting where you can make yourself able to see everyone's queue status. It tells you whether they have it filled and whether they've made it available.

180

Tree
ID: 242231217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 19:29

yea, i also believe he should see the queue.

PD - maybe you have a spam folder and it went there?

181

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 19:32

Call

182

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 19:46

Q is set and available to all...gonna nap.

183

Perm Dude
ID: 542451217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 19:54

Just spoke with him--he's on the way back home and will pick then. He apologized all over the place--he thought he made the queue available to everyone before he left. He should be about 30 minutes.

MITH: The indication on OTC is "Queue Unavailable: Filled" Unless he designates me as a DP, I don't have access to his queue. I can, as Commish of course, pick a player for him on OTC, but I wouldn't know if that is who he wants!

184

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 20:11

I've left a short Q on OTC. MBJ, could you call me after my successful pick or if my Q is dry, tell me who I have to strangle!

185

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 20:40

Ooops. I am sorry. My trip this AM cancelled due to dead battery. I turned off the OTC queue which is loaded with 20 names. Son called around 4 hours ago and I left and went to shoot shot guns with him. I had been waiting for Pauncho's pick, and he must have clicked just after I left. The bad part is I didn't turn my queue back on before leaving.

I am sorry...that will not happen again. It is not my style to hold up drafts. Never has been, never will be...but I sure screwed this up. If I am away from the computer again..my queue will be on for everyone in the league. My bad.

186

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 20:43

Punk42AE is up with only one player in his queue; Jacoby Ellisbury, who is owned by Nerveclinic as a prospect.

187

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 20:43

I forgive you, Tax.

Anyone have permission to access Punk's Q, or are we stalled again?

188

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 20:45

Per post 160, looks like we have another 2 hours.

189

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 20:50

Arg. Okay. I'm off to smack a silly rubber ball around and then out for beers with my son.

I've slapped down 10 names, but I really only want one of them, so keep your filthy, nasty, grubby fingers off him, Tree and Zen. I mean it.

If it somehow comes around to me twice without me checking in, don't draft two players from the same position.

I've given ALL of you viewing powers over ALL of my choicest, tastiest players, so if I for some reason don't repeat as champion, we all know the reason why.

190

Tree
ID: 242231217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 20:51

just texted punk...

191

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 21:14

btw..SZ..the other leagues drafted off my queue which I turned on before I left...I just failed to hit the switch in this league..again..my bad.

and bili..about your stealing Vazquez off the top of my queue with your ill-gotten pick acquired by trade...may seven dwarfs having eaten only pinto beans for a fortnight be assigned seats on all sides of you for your next cross trans ocean flight

192

Tree
ID: 242231217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 21:16

picked for Punk. guess that puts SZ up.

can't see his queue though, until PD manually puts in Punk's pick into OTC...

193

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 21:19

I'll call him....

194

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 21:26

calling bili...

195

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 21:31

Emailed Perm Dude

196

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 21:38

MITH - you da man

197

Tree
ID: 242231217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 21:41

am i missing something on the OTC page? it's showing Wiggs has the "next" pick, but that should be MITH's pick where he just took Lilly...

198

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 21:42

Yeah, I couldn't figure it out either.

199

Tree
ID: 242231217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 21:45

looks like maybe that pick was "traded" to wiggs, when it shouldnt have been...

200

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 21:46

Yeah that's a mistake. Pick 13.01 (by the Kaf numbering system) is my pick. Looks like someone went and selected Loney for Wiggs. PD should be able to clean it up when he gets back and he's up now so there shouldn't be further damage.

201

Perm Dude
ID: 542451217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 21:49

gimme a few--taking care of my 5-month old for a few more mins.

202

Tree
ID: 242231217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 21:50

being that Baldwin posted in the other thread, and then deleted it...Baldwin??? lol...

203

Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 21:54

I'm thinking you owe me a picture of that 5-month old, PD, and the rest of the Courtright clan:)

204

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 21:54

Meant to ask about calling PD but used the wrong draft thread...doh.

205

Perm Dude
ID: 542451217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 21:57

OK, fixed that. Will pick in a sec.

a couple of photos, Declan and Ceci.

206

Perm Dude
ID: 542451217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 21:59

We're back to Punk.

207

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:00

Is Punk with us? I would really like to make my pick before crashing. I've got a huge Q but I'd like to make next pick manually.

208

Tree
ID: 242231217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:01

i have him on text. just confirming his pick.

209

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:02

I love showing my kids off....

210

Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:10

Wow, lacrosse!

211

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:13

That Marmol pick was the dagger. Been holdin my breath for hours.

212

Perm Dude
ID: 542451217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:16

Yeah, I thought I had a shot at Lyon with the last pick, but three off the queue bam bam bam.

213

Tree
ID: 242231217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:16

just take some other Cub and be done with it. :o)

214

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:18

lacrosse= springtime football

215

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:24

I really had him on top, then had to put him back in my queue after he was "picked"

I hope he works out.

216

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:25

That's how fast I am.

I picked 6th but my pick is listed before 4 and 5.

217

Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:26

I just signed my 13 year-old daughter up for spring fastpitch softball. It's unbelievable how fast these little girls can pitch. Lots of walks though.

218

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:27

Should I delete to keep everything in order? If I do we have to delete Nerve's too.

219

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:29

you're good...PV will pick and restore order.

I wasn't a big fan of fastpitch when it first got going around here but the girls seem to really dig it.

220

Tree
ID: 242231217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:29

is Greinke a queue pick for NC?

221

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:31

yeah, Greinke's nerve's; I just forgot to put nerve's name on it.

222

Perm Dude
ID: 542451217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:43

Who does wiggs want?

223

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:44

waiting to hear from him now

224

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:45

dontrelle willis

225

Tree
ID: 242231217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:46

man...we might actually get to me tonight...

226

Perm Dude
ID: 542451217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:47

Gimme just a sec. OTC is fixed. If anyone had that player (soon to be deleted) in their queue, they'll need to add him back.

227

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:57

I'm down of the night

228

Tree
ID: 242231217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 22:59

i'm heading to bed shortly, and if i do, i'll leave a queue just for this round.

please don't use it any other round. :o)

229

Perm Dude
ID: 542451217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 23:02

Would like to get a couple more picks in, if possible. Taxman, you're up. Make me a DP next time you're in OTC.

I'm taking my mother-in-law to her oncology appointment tomorrow AM. I've made MITH my designated picker so we should be OK.

pd

230

Tree
ID: 242231217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 23:24

it looks like CC (or someone for him) made a pick on OTC...should we just post that pick here, and then i'll post mine?

231

Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 23:28

I'm back on-line at home, thank you RSF!

232

Tree
ID: 242231217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 23:31

oh, to heck with it. i'm posting CC's pick from OTC, and then my own, so i can go to bed.

but someone should probably let him know to make his picks over here...

233

Perm Dude
ID: 542451217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 23:31

#230: Yes, please do. I'm hitting the sack.

pd

234

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 23:49

Did Zen go MIA?

235

Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 00:00

I'm here and will pick in a few. Then I'll give Bili a call.

Taxman - I understand, no sweat. I'm amazed at how quickly we caught up to our pace once you were back.

This has been a brutal round for me, I'm at a loss right now.

236

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 00:23

I'm always afraid to pick for someone. Do we have like a Kosher 5 min rule or anything?

237

Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 00:28

I'm back up and will pick in a few.

238

Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 00:37

I have a brutal day tomorrow. I have to go to BFE, where there's spotty, if any, cell service. I'll be gone all day after about 9AM MST.

I have a 12 player que, with 3 positions, 4 players per position grouped together.

Please don't pick the same position for any of my picks. If we get stuck, try my cell @ 801 608-0275.

Should be good for 3 rounds though.

239

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 00:47

Ok someone DP'ed someone that Bili didn't pick.

240

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 00:49

Zen

Can you put your pick in OTC, others might have cues open and we can get a few more picks in...

241

Perm Dude
ID: 542451217
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 00:50

Checking in for a sec--fixed that.

Zen, looks like you are up again.

242

Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 01:00

Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again hoping for a different result?

Didn't I make a trade in the off-season last year to move up in the draft to take Johnny Damon? And didn't that move totally suck? Oy!

What's up with picking TWO Yankees?

243

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 01:02

Good luck Zen :')

244

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 01:23

So if Bili Picks I am up next because I have MITH 1st round draft pick round 8.

245

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 01:26

OTC doesn't look right it shows MITH as being up now. Is that right?

246

Perm Dude
ID: 542451217
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 01:28

We just started the 7th round, so you will get your regular pick this round, then you will get MITH's next pick 8.01 (15.01 in OTC).

pd

247

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 01:29

OOPs yeah we are in rd 7 not 8. MITH has que open I will make the pick for him unless it's time to shut it down for the night.

Should I assume that if he left it open he wants us to pick for him?

248

Perm Dude
ID: 542451217
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 01:30

Looks good. Punk is up.

249

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 01:31

I'm so confused you are right.

250

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 02:41

Looks like we are hitting the same bump as last night. MBJ has que closed. We've made quite a few picks so that is certainly understandable.

So I am guessing we are 4-5 hours away from the next pick but I will keep checking. If any ques come open I will push through.

251

Tree
ID: 25222134
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 06:34

NC - i sent you a couple of emails regarding a trade...did you get it?

252

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 06:44

If my queue is loaded and available go ahead and make a pick for me. Always.

253

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 07:49

No I didn't see the emails tree I will check.

I am drafting in 5 minutes.

Do I need to check the emails first?

254

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 07:50

Tree saw email and responded

what a wheeler dealer you are

255

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 07:59

Done

256

Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 09:11

Sorry, guys. Slept a little late and forgot to set my que to available. Now I need to reload with basically the same instructions as #238.

257

Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 09:41

I cannot BELIEVE Nerve took Aaron Hill! I figured everyone but MITH had his 2nd baseman, he was going to be mine. I'm speechless.

I'm going to be in and out of court all day. I have left a Q, ideally I make a pick this morning, then my Q should be good for a few rounds.

258

Tree
ID: 3533298
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 10:09

i'm about to make my pick, and AGAIN post CC's, since he's picking on Kafenatid but not here.

259

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 11:08

I assume PD knows he's up?

260

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 11:09

Tree...not CC but me. I punched his queue for 14th round in kafenatid while checking my queue which had been punched 45 minutes earlier by someone else. I didn't think about entering his pick on line as non-fantasy baseball matters required my immediate attention. Bottom line ..don't fuss @ CC..I am the culprit.

261

Perm Dude
ID: 6253135
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 11:11

Punk's up.

262

Tree
ID: 3533298
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 11:12

haha, no sweat Tax...just didn't want things to get too confusing with picks happening in one place, but not the other...

263

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 12:00

Anyone able to see a queue for PV? I can't.

264

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 12:02

I can't and it says he's has me as a designated picker, so it must be exhausted.

265

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 12:04

I'll call him unless someone else is...

266

Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 12:04

Well, I'm running late, but now I'm leaving after repleneshing my que, since my picks are flying off the board.

267

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 12:05

cool

268

Tree
ID: 3533298
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 12:16

let me catch up, and will pick within 10...

269

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 12:35

tree - Johhny Cueto? FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUU!!!!!

270

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 12:54

Give me 5 minutes and I will go.

271

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 13:12

CC is on the clock.

That was some fast pickin'

272

Tree
ID: 3533298
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 13:17

holy crap. i'm up again?

will pick in a couple.

and what? you like Cueto MBJ?

yea, me too.. ;o)

and to think, i *almost* didn't take him...

273

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 13:24

Wow, I'm surprised Jose was still on the board. I was debating between picking him up and Johnny Damon two rounds ago.

We are FLYING! I think we'll be done before Saturday at this pace. Outstanding.

274

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 13:29

Does tree need to pick his player up on OTC?

275

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 13:30

Does Bili have a Queue on OTC?

276

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 13:31

We can't see Bili's Q until Tree pits his pick into OTC.

277

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 13:34

That's what I ment, a nudge nudge wink wink.

278

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 13:40

I don't think bili would want to pick back to back SS.

279

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 13:43

Once again the potential problem my impatience has caused is stemmed by the fact that PD is up. Anybody want to call bili?

280

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 13:45

I'll call him

281

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 13:46

BRB i've gotta run out real quick, i've got 2 people left in my queue.

282

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 13:48

He doesn't want the second SS. MITH, edit out your post in the draft thread amd will let PD fix OTC when he can.

bili is going will be at a computer shortly and make a pick..

283

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 13:53

Done.

284

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:03

Hey guys. Sorry about the hold up. Realtors and bosses should be banned from the planet. Don't they know I'm drafting!?! Wait...

Give my 10 minutes to catch up.

285

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:04

My fault, really. Should have remembered your instructions from post 189.

286

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:08

I wonder if there is a way to remove Swisher's photo from the draft thread.

I had a violent case of food poisoning this week...violent, and ever time I look at Swisher's head shot I want to head for the can.

287

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:10

uh.....baldwin....

288

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:11

lol

289

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:12

Seriously, that may be as hard as I've laughed in a while; wonderful, natural timing B!

290

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:12

uh....Baldwin

291

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:14

As my boy would say: "Guh!"

292

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:16

Chicago we have a problem

293

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:17

I missed it.

294

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:17

wanna delete you post and see if we can lure someone else into the trap before bili posts?

295

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:18

Too late. I shut down my q.

296

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:19

Baldwin Bili is here and wants to draft live..delete the OTC

297

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:21

bili you can pick anyone, just don't post their head shot if they look like Nick Swisher.

Of course with a name like Swisher you'd have to look like that from getting your ass kicked every day at school.

298

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:22

According to OTC Bili and MITH picked 40 minutes before I posted that so...amazing timing indeed if we cross-posted it here.

E-mail is difficult here...involves tearing keyboard away from my wife. Can someone else e-mail Fred?

299

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:23

Working our theme I see, Nerve. Even our draft themes have taken a turn for the worse lately.

300

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:26

Now Urdu and Casimir effect...those were the golden days of draft themes.

301

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:28

Draft research headquarters [the local Culver's] is calling. Huge Q is available to all.

302

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:29

Working our theme I see, Nerve. Even our draft themes have taken a turn for the worse lately.

Baldwin this is so cryptic I would swear you were on LSD.

303

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:30

Now Urdu and Casimir effect...those were the golden days of draft themes.

And this one is either Ether or Absinthe.

Is this a drunken Toral posing as Baldwin.

304

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:31

Pick from my Q

305

Tree
ID: 3533298
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:37

so which is the right pick for Bili, and can we delete the wrong one?

306

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:37

Mmm Absinthe

307

Perm Dude
ID: 6253135
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:46

We're moving along nicely today fellas.

308

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 14:49

re: 305 - It doesn't appear we can given the Harden pairing, though I don't know the powers granted to super-users.

Frank's the right pick.

309

Tree
ID: 3533298
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 15:06

um, couldn't Baldwin just delete the post, and repost the proper pick with only Harden?

310

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 15:10

Sure.

But his wife won't let him. Who wears the pants in that family anyway? ;)

311

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 15:13

TAlking with AF que is burnt

312

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 15:20

PD can just delete the incorrect pick from that post when he gets back.

313

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 15:25

I'm about to pick.

I can't do OTC because AF's que was burnt so until PD can update we are back to the old way of drafting.

314

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 15:31

done

315

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 15:36

Now Fuk is Baldwin's right?

316

tree on the treo
ID: 40842210
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 15:38

yep..thats baldies prospect....

317

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 15:40

I'll hold my pick untill that is fixed??

318

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 15:56

just texted wiggs he's on it.

319

Perm Dude
ID: 6253135
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 16:09

Updated wiggs' pick on OTC.

320

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 16:10

About to pick

321

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 16:12

PD - can you fix my round 14 pick on OTC for me?

Johnny-out, Frank-in(-stein).

322

Perm Dude
ID: 6253135
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 16:14

Do you mean round 16 in OTC?

323

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 16:21

Er. Yeah.

Here and pondering.

324

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 16:23

Zen has a pick on OTC...assume we pull the triger?

325

Perm Dude
ID: 6253135
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 16:23

OK, done.

326

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 16:26

Here's the deal. I am about to hit the sack.

I will have a long enough que for my next pick. The following round I have no pick. After that my que is dry but I can't imagine leaving a 30 pick que at this point.

Kapeesh?

327

Perm Dude
ID: 6253135
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 16:29

328

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 16:46

Was that Zen who picked a second 2B, or did someone pick for him on OTC? Do we know he wants 2?

329

Perm Dude
ID: 6253135
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 16:48

Baldwin made that pick for him from his queue.

330

biliruben
ID: 36219111
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 16:49

Gave him a ring, and that's right.

331

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 16:49

Y'know I think I'm gonna get more sleep and do less transfering from OTC to Poliboard.

332

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 16:58

Tree said he will pick in 10 mins.

333

Tree
ID: 582571314
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 17:22

i'm going to be out from about 6 to 9 eastern. i'm going to leave a short queue for my next pick only. if it gets used up, i'll pick during the first commercial of lost...probably. :o)

and if it somehow hits my LAST pick, well, be patient...

334

Pancho Villa
ID: 495272016
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 17:26

Ouch! Ended up with outfielders in both round 16 and 17.

335

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 17:29

AF is away from comp but heading back soon...que is dry.

Use my que for next pick but no more. I will be up in 7 hours...

336

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 20:38

Headed home from work. Should this thing fire up again my Q is loaded and available.

337

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 20:44

How soon is soon?

338

Tree
ID: 442541318
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 21:17

four, five hours maybe? ;o)

339

Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 22:36

Just called and left a message. I needed some time to catch my breath.

I can't believe that BUM Baldwin would take my catcher. Damn it, he's not even 35 years old, Baldy, and you already have one. Dude, Julio Franco is still on the board. What's gotten into you?!?!?

340

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 22:55

5 minutes

341

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 22:57

Hope AF's OK.

Pretty dadgum good day of drafting for this league; really effcient and fun draft this year. PD's hybrid OTC/Board draft was a stroke of genius.

342

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 23:01

I'm ok TY

My contact info is on the league message board but I didn't get a call until a 10:30 PM. I could have made a phone pick with anyone...

343

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 23:03

sorry AF - from nerve's post 335 I inferred that he had talked to you and you were on it. NP.

344

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 23:06

sorry AF - from nerve's post 335 I inferred that he had talked to you and you were on it. NP.

Cool, but if I haven't picked within an hour feel free to call me and ask...What's up?

345

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 23:09

TY MBJ

346

Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 23:13

really effcient and fun draft this year. PD's hybrid OTC/Board draft was a stroke of genius.

I agree, except for my last two picks. Last night I indicated I would be gone most of the day and left instructions for my picks, one of which was to not double up on positions, especially back to back. With the two different types of "available" offered on OTC, the one I chose allows to search a que so as to avoid this type of situation.

As it was, there was a position besides outfield left in my que. In the future, designated pickers need to carefully read the entries in this thread before making a pick.

347

Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 23:35

You make a valid point, Pancho. This year, this group wasn't ready to make complex (two-part) picks. I hope that this mess-up does not cost you anything.

As for ending up with Jack Bust (Cust), well, he was in your Q...

348

Perm Dude
ID: 6253135
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 23:39

PV, I can probably use another OF if you want to make an offer.

349

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 23:43

I'm turing off the computer for the night; use my Q at will.

350

Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 23:54

As for ending up with Jack Bust (Cust), well, he was in your Q...

Zen pouring salt into an open wound;)

351

Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 00:22

[chuckling]

Okay, time to bust out the cute kid pictures.

These are my two girls.

The one redeeming ability I have is to provide the world with cute girls :) Aurora is carrying Lillie in the bottom photo, and when she does that in public, everyone thinks she's a young mom.

352

Perm Dude
ID: 6253135
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 00:37

Am filling up my queue. Will pick soon.

353

Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 06:01

Yikes! Those pictures are way too big, could someone shrink them down to a reasonable size?

354

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 06:31

Off to work, got a 10 person queue up. Hopefully it should make it. Be back about 3:30.

355

nerveclinic
ID: 23253144
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 06:56

I don't have a pick this round, PD is up again.

356

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 06:59

great pics, Zen

357

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 07:48

Nice pics Zen.

358

Action Figure
ID: 22148145
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 08:01

Great kids Zen. I heard the little one in the back round in the voice mail you left me last night.

Thank you for the phone call.

How many rounds? 21?

359

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 09:02

yup 21

360

Perm Dude
ID: 30234146
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 09:05

We're really kicking ass on this draft. We're projected to finish this evening--not bad!

361

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 09:23

MBJ, you do a nice job tearing a guy down. :)

362

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 09:32

Ahh..funny thing is I just drafted him in another draft within five minutes of picking him up for you.

363

Perm Dude
ID: 30234146
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 10:10

Payments received from wiggs, AF, and bili. Thanks.

364

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 10:13

MITH has a que open any reason not to pick it?

365

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 10:15

I was a little worried about picking up another SS for bili - but that's prolly right.

366

Perm Dude
ID: 30234146
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 10:15

wiggs beat you to it!

Guys, if we get done today I can probably enter all the players into Yahoo late tonight. Saturday I'm gone all day.

367

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 10:33

give me 5 minutes

368

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 10:43

done

369

Perm Dude
ID: 30234146
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 11:21

Last round.

MITH is up--since this is the last round I'd prefer if guys made their own picks, if possible.

370

Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 11:28

I hereby renounce my final draft pick as I intend to bring Phillip Hughes onto my roster, so I am out. Good luck everyone.

371

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 11:30

You can pick from my queue ... please.

372

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 11:53

I am likely going to bring a player to my team from the prospects but I am taking my last pick. I will announce the player and drop someone before the prospect draft starts.

373

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 12:00

since this is the last round I'd prefer if guys made their own picks, if possible.

PD it's night here and I will be heading out in a hour or two so if my que is on the league is free to use it.

Nerve

374

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 12:03

PD to your point about people making their own last pick.

What if they turned the que on thinking "well that's that, the league will take my top pick". Now they are away from the computer, not thinking of looking because they know their que is on?

That could create a real log jam and so much for finishing tonight.

375

wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 14:20

i will be away for a while. feel free to use my queue

376

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 14:21

did we lose punk?

377

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 14:23

After hearing of people doing this for mock drafts, I am going to enter our drafted squads into an ESPN league and let them be to see what the results will be at the end of the season. I'm curious to see how everyone does compared to the real final standings, should give us a little incite into who made the best moves during the season.

Haven't decided if I should enter every player, including the bench, or just starting line-ups. Suggestions?

378

biliruben
ID: 33258140
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 14:28

I used to do this, using an amalgum of rotowire stats and my own biased stats, if you remember. No time anymore, but what I did was take just what I decided were the starters and just use them.

My trouble was taking into account the different mix of starters and closers, which has a pretty big effect. If one person has 4 closers and another has none, it's hard to adjust for that imbalance.

379

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 14:33

Put in the starters. Fill in any blanks with the first available player you can think of; put Napoli or LoDuca at catcher for me.

380

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 15:06

Zen Maybe if a starter gets injured you move him to the bench and bring in a drafted replacement.

381

biliruben
ID: 33258140
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 15:09

Ah. I misunderstood. I thought you were just going to look at projections.

382

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 15:13

Zen Maybe if a starter gets injured you move him to the bench and bring in a drafted replacement.

Nope, I'm not going to do a thing once they are set. If one of your keepers or high draft picks goes down, in the real world you make a change. It's the changes I want to measure, the measurement is the difference between the unaltered ESPN final results and our results.

I now realize that I have to only do starters. What good does it do to have totals from the ESPN league that has four extra players (the bench)?

383

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 15:36

Didn't lose me, think I made the pick exactly when I said i'd be back. :'p

384

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 16:53

Do you reckon we should use Baldwin's Q?

385

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 18:18

Is AF up or is Tree up?

The chart says tree, otc says AF.

I can pick for AF if he is up but I am headed to bed soon.

nerve

386

Perm Dude
ID: 30234146
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 19:49

AF is up, tree is finished.

387

Perm Dude
ID: 30234146
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 19:51

Final picks:

1. 14.06 Action-Figure
2. 14.07 nerveclinic
3. 14.08 Pancho Villa
4. 14.09 wiggs
5. 14.10 Taxman
6. 14.11 coldwater coyotes
7. 14.12 PermDude (from Tree)
Seattle Zen (skipped--called up P Hughes)
8. 14.14 biliruben

388

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 20:27

Has anyone called AF?

389

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 20:39

no answer - I'm going out for the night; my draft is over.

390

Perm Dude
ID: 30234146
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 20:40

Just left him a message.

391

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 20:46

Get this done tonite so we can play with our yahoo lineups tomorrow.

392

Perm Dude
ID: 30234146
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 20:47

Pancho's up.

393

Perm Dude
ID: 30234146
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 21:05

#382: Can't you just make everyone active, but using UTIL spots and no bench? On any given day one might be using different starters (such as pitchers), so put them all active if you can.

pd

394

Perm Dude
ID: 30234146
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 22:21

bili: Last pick. Billy Crystal is available...

395

Pancho Villa
ID: 47161721
Fri, Mar 14, 2008, 23:14

Might want to re-think that pick.

Yankees release Crystal.

Of course, another team might pick him up.

396

biliruben
ID: 33258140
Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 02:51

The last Billy Crystal role I really liked he played a gay man on a sitcom. What the heck was that called...

397

Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 03:02

Soap

398

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 06:08

PD could you give us a bit of advance warning before you start the prospect draft so I can decide who to move to my team?

It would be nice to have at least a few days or maybe a week to do a bit of research before we start.

Nerve

399

Perm Dude
ID: 22253156
Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 08:56

I'm hoping to start sometime next week. Too much of a gap and then you have managers picking up prospect-eligible players off the wire.

I'll be out much of today, but will finish entering all the draft tonight.

400

Tree
ID: 511251614
Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 09:56

i've got a rules question, and i probably should have posed it earlier.

am i allowed to call up a prospect to my regular roster (and obviously, drop someone currently on my roster), during the prospect draft, and thusly get a pick for that open slot?

401

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 10:48

We should probably lock all the teams until after the Prospect draft is complete so that doesn't happen.

402

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 14:28

I'm hoping to start sometime next week. Too much of a gap and then you have managers picking up prospect-eligible players off the wire.

This has always been an option in the past and part of the fun of the "window".

am i allowed to call up a prospect to my regular roster (and obviously, drop someone currently on my roster), during the prospect draft, and thusly get a pick for that open slot?

The rule has always been you have to announce it before the prospect draft starts...that's why I asked PD to give us advance warning.

We should probably lock all the teams until after the Prospect draft is complete so that doesn't happen.

Punk we don't lock the teams and in fact you will likely see a flurry of activity right after the 2 day waiting period, it's part of the fun of the league.

Everyone has an equal shot so it isn't really an issue.

403

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 21:39

Am i allowed to call up a prospect to my regular roster (and obviously, drop someone currently on my roster), during the prospect draft, and thusly get a pick for that open slot?

I know this has come up before, in fact I know I did this one year. I remember some people bitching and moaning about it but I don't remember making a rule against it.

Was it Cliff Lee? Wasn't someone crying about Cliff Lee?

404

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 21:42

I found it. Here it is.

405

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 10:26

AF what Tree is asking is can he bring up a prospect DURING the prospect draft. That we haven't allowed.

407

Action Figure
ID: 22148145
Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 11:18

AF what Tree is asking is can he bring up a prospect DURING the prospect draft. That we haven't allowed.

That seems a bit silly, the way the regular draft went the prospect draft should only take 2 days max.

408

Perm Dude
ID: 22253156
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 00:52

I'm putting players into Yahoo right now. However, there is one player (so far!) that was drafted but is not currently in the Yahoo database. In the past, when this occurred, it was caught right away and corrected, but here we are days after the draft.

The draft rules call for only players currently in the Yahoo database to be drafted. Obviously this was a mistake not to have noticed this player wasn't in Yahoo. Nevertheless, I have no choice but to declare tree's 8.12 pick of Johnny Cueto to be null and void.

Tree, you may pick a replacement player at your convenience.

409

Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 01:04

Whoops. Yahoo's database zings us again.

Even if Tree's new Prop. 2 had passed, he would be out of luck.

410

Tree
ID: 02141622
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 01:06

i'm not sure how keen i am with this, days after the draft ends.

it's one thing if it happens during the draft, but this late in the process?

411

Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 01:08

Hey, you've had a few days to gather news on who is the best player not drafted. That's valuable, no?

It is the drafter's responsibility to check to see that his choice is in the database.

412

Seattle Zen
ID: 529121611
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 01:09

Of course, I didn't check anyone myself, I completely forgot that could be a problem.

413

Perm Dude
ID: 22253156
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 01:09

Yeah, this does suck. I wish I had caught this earlier. But the draft rules are pretty clear in this case.

I've finished entering the rosters, and other than putting the wrong Cordero on MBJ & Baldwin's teams, we look OK to me. I'll finalize the draft results in a sec and change the Corderos to their correct teams.

414

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 01:21

Does waiting for Trees pick keep the league from clearing or can you start it up with one player short?

It would be nice to have a day or two to make moves before the prospect draft.

415

Perm Dude
ID: 22253156
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 01:25

I'll hit the "Begin Season" button in the morning, after I've given another look through the rosters. Hopefully tree will have a replacement player I can plug into in the meanwhile. If not, I'll give him the #1 waiver priority so that his replacement player is what he'll get (and I'll move his priority to where it should be after his pick, should this all come out this way).

I just don't trust my eyes looking through these names anymore tonight.

pd

416

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 01:41

Thanks for your efforts PD

417

Tree
ID: 15218175
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 07:22

Hey, you've had a few days to gather news on who is the best player not drafted. That's valuable, no?

uh. no. the drafted ended, and i went out of town. lol ill have to do this, perhaps today at some point i suppose despite the fact i feel kind of screwed by this, as you'll see below...

It is the drafter's responsibility to check to see that his choice is in the database

and no offense to PD's effort, but *this* is why using two different databases to draft with sucks.

Cueto was in OTC, so there was no pause on my part to look elsewhere, because, quite frankly, he was in the automated database that we were using for this draft.

418

Perm Dude
ID: 22253156
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 08:32

No argument there, tree. If we use OTC again I'll work with KKB to make sure there are no players not in Yahoo.

419

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 10:16

Tree I understand the problem with OTC but we were only using it as a supplement. We all agreed the real draft was the one here.

Besides the issue has always been how can you draft someone who isn't in the database for the game we are using? This has come up before and the rule has always been you have to drop the player.

If the game we use is Yahoo, and the player isn't in Yahoo at the time of the draft, then relying on OTC without checking is nothing more then an honest mistake, but a mistake never the less.

420

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 10:23

Same thing happened to Madman the last time we used OTC -2 years ago, I think. The Brandon Lyon fiasco. Of course, that was before OTC got all the kinks worked out so that these lind of things wouldn't happen....oooops.

tree - Sucks, I would have picked him up myself; but I'm not clear on what your complaint to PD is about using OTC + the boards. Are you saying that if we'd only used OTC (as you wanted) that this wouldn't have happened?

421

Tree
ID: 16234178
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 10:36

no, i'm just kind of irked no one - myself included - noticed until AFTER the draft. definitely feel screwed on the pick. but, the rules are rules.

i don't have time now, but i am going to propose this be a rule change, because it's kind of antiquated, and one most other leagues work around now.

i will claim an alternate player either this afternoon, or tonight - after being out all weekend, i need to do a tad of research..

422

Action Figure
ID: 22148145
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 10:49

Nerve said: "Tree I understand the problem with OTC but we were only using it as a supplement. We all agreed the real draft was the one here."

I know I heard that somewhere before.

Tree said:"well, if we were drafting on OTC, i would be putting it to use. we're using it as a supplement, which is cool, but we're drafting on the boards, so i'm not even thinking to check OTC until AFTER i pick here."

423

Perm Dude
ID: 22253156
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 11:09

Turns out it would be a real pain in the ass to re-set the waiver priorities several times to make this happen after I hit the "Begin Season" button. Tree--email me a replacement as soon as you can, I'll add him to the roster and then start up the league.

This will give us a couple of days to play around, add/drop, etc. Remember that all players start out on waivers, and there is a two-day waiver period.

I'm thinking of starting the prospect draft on Thursday.

425

Action Figure
ID: 22148145
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 11:41

i don't have time now, but i am going to propose this be a rule change, because it's kind of antiquated, and one most other leagues work around now.

I agree we need a rule that states if you pick a player not in the Yahoo database then you will be awarded Horacio Ramirez and no waiver wire adjustments will be made. This will be called the Horacio Ramirez rule.

Cueto has never thrown a pitch in a MLB game. Tree if you researched Cueto enough to pick him how could you not know this?

426

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 11:46

I'm thinking of starting the prospect draft on Thursday.

Great idea.

427

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 11:50

i don't have time now, but i am going to propose this be a rule change, because it's kind of antiquated, and one most other leagues work around now.

What's antiquated? What exactly would the rule change be, that you can draft players that aren't even in the system of the game we are playing?

I'm thinking you'll have a hard time drumming up the votes.

428

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 12:01

This comes up every year. Or at least every year that I've been in the league.

Each time the debate is the same. Everyone not in favor allowing us to draft players outside of Yahoo's database fallaciously argues that you can't have an active team in Yahoo unless all of the roster spots on that team are filled.

Then it's always pointed out (usually by Tree and me) that this is a gross misconception, that you may indeed have an active team with only 20 or 19 or 12 or 3 or 0 roster spots filled. We've gone through the same stupid dance every year I'be been involved with the league and Nerve is probably right, you won't drum up the votes.

The Politics forum baseball league is the only one I've ever been a part of that conducts it's draft outside of Yahoo and disqualifies all players not in the Yahoo database.

429

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 12:06

It's one of the quirks of this league. I don't see why we should change it to fit into "every other league".

430

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 12:09

Bottom line Tree's pick was as prospect draft pick.

No more no less.

431

Perm Dude
ID: 22253156
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 12:13

#428: I don't know that anyone is making the argument that you can't have an active Yahoo team. I'm certainly not. My argument was that changing the waiver priority around is a pain in the ass in order to make Tree the #1 waiver priority (so he can get his replacement player), then put him back into the proper order while other managers have put in waiver claims themselves in the meantime. It is far better to get that name from him before we open up the waiver wire.

432

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 12:15

I don't see why we should change it

1. The rule was set in place to prevent a problem that we've repeatedly proved never existed.

2. It is a limitation that discourages the extra research that some of us do. One of the basic concepts of fantasy baesball, especially in a league that is on the deep side (such as this one) is the reward of finding deep sleepers and gems that other managers will overlook. This rule actively discourages this. Tree should be rewarded for finding Cueto by being allowed to draft him.

433

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 12:18

PD
I don't know that anyone is making the argument that you can't have an active Yahoo team. I'm certainly not.
Not this year, no (hopefully I've headed that off this time).

My argument was that changing the waiver priority
PD I'm talking about the rule change tree has said he'll propose (see 421).

AF
Bottom line Tree's pick was as prospect draft pick.
What are you talking about?

434

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 12:20

It is far better to get that name from him before we open up the waiver wire.

I agree and to be perfectly honest what displeases me is Tree made the mistake, then he comes on here and all he has to do is drop a name but instead he wants to "research".

435

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 12:21

Tree should be rewarded for finding Cueto by being allowed to draft him.

I agree, in the prospect draft or we could not have a prospect draft...

436

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 12:27

AF:Bottom line Tree's pick was as prospect draft pick.

MITH:What are you talking about?

AF: I thought you knew

437

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 12:34

I thought you knew

Know what you're talking about? No. I honestly cannot say that I do.

438

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 12:35

Tree should be rewarded for finding Cueto by being allowed to draft him.

If Cueto had ever performed in a MLB baseball game then he would be in the Yahoo database. This is another reason we have this rule, to keep the prospects separate from the MLB draft ables.

439

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 12:38

If Cueto had ever performed in a MLB baseball game then he would be in the Yahoo database.

Not necessarily. In fact there are usually some players who are on spring traing rosters with a chance to make a team but don't appear in Yahoo's database also aren't prospect-eligible. Including this year.

What's the advantage to locking those players out?

440

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 12:43

If Cueto had ever performed in a MLB baseball game then he would be in the Yahoo database. This is another reason we have this rule, to keep the prospects separate from the MLB draft ables.

That's not true; Brandon Lyon caused the same problem a couple if years ago. There's never been a problem with picking up prosepct eligible players who are in the database.

My memory of the origins of this rule was that everyone just thought it would keep things simpler; it's a vestigial rulem IMO, and I wouldn't be opposed to getting rid of it going forward. T

441

Perm Dude
ID: 22253156
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 12:43

Pros:

Limits the potential draft list to a discrete set of players available to all

Much easier to administer

Enriches the prospect draft pool

Tradition--draft strategies in the past have the assumption of Yahoo database inclusion.

Messes up the waiver order to take players after the draft when they come into Yahoo (unless the rule change makes clear that a manager would have to use a waiver pickup for the player(s) in question).

Cons:

Makes the use of OTC dicey if we cannot cross-check against Yahoo's database.

Discourages research and the risk of taking prospect-level players in the regular draft

442

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 12:44

In fact there are usually some players who are on spring traing rosters with a chance to make a team but don't appear in Yahoo's database also aren't prospect-eligible. Including this year.

What's the advantage to locking those players out?

You can have them ;-)

443

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 12:48

Not just prospect level players, but many players who simply didn't appear in an MLB game in the previous year. This year Juan Gonzalez is locked out. I recall Robb Nen was not included a couple of years back when he attempted a comeback. MBJ brought up Brandon Lyon. Any player returning from a stint in the Japanese League, for example would most likely be exempt.

444

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 12:53

That's not true; Brandon Lyon caused the same problem a couple if years ago. There's never been a problem with picking up prosepct eligible players who are in the database.

I don't have a problem with picking up prospect eligible players that are in the Yahoo database.

But the truest "purest" prospects that have never seen a MLB game are 100% automatically protected.

445

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 13:02

But the truest "purest" prospects that have never seen a MLB game are 100% automatically protected.

Then kindly explain to me why Jason Nix is in the Yahoo database.

446

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 13:09

Then kindly explain to me why Jason Nix is in the Yahoo database.

Typo?

447

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 13:12

No. A typo is a misspelling. Nix is intentionally there, including a recent update flag next to his name and his "stats" (all dashes since he hasn't compiled any yet) are there as well. As I have argued for years, the Yahoo database is an arbitrary list that doesn't appear to strictly adhere to any standard.

That we continue to use this list as a measure of eligibility for our draft is absurd.

448

Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 13:17

Cueto has never thrown a pitch in a MLB game. Tree if you researched Cueto enough to pick him how could you not know this?

this is relevant, how?

Yahoo has other guys in their database that have never played in an MLB game.

Bottom line Tree's pick was as prospect draft pick.

No more no less.

absolutely not. it's based on the fact he's likely the third starter in the Reds rotation. it came from this passage from rotoworld...

Johnny Cueto shut out the Phillies for the final four innings to secure a save in the Reds' 6-1 win on Wednesday.

The Phillies used the same nine for the entire game, so Cueto was facing some close to their regular lineup, making this another very impressive performance. It may be time to pencil him into Cincinnati's rotation along with Aaron Harang and Bronson Arroyo, which would leave two spots...

AF - I agree and to be perfectly honest what displeases me is Tree made the mistake, then he comes on here and all he has to do is drop a name but instead he wants to "research".

fine. I'd like Evan Longoria on my team. or maybe Cameron Maybin. Oh, wait, they're already somebody's prospects? i'm sorry, didn't realize that, as i didn't have time to do some research.

look - i'm getting screwed out of a mid-round pick. i ultimately take responsbility for that, but instead of me tossing out some name willy-nilly, how about giving me more a little time to find a suitable replacement?

But the truest "purest" prospects that have never seen a MLB game are 100% automatically protected.

Then kindly explain to me why Jason Nix is in the Yahoo database.

Longoria, one of the top prospects, is in the yahoo database. Fukudome, Rasmus, Bruce, just to name a few others, have never played in an MLB game, and are all in the Yahoo Database.

this is one of the main reasons why i find this old and outdated. there is no rhyme nor reason as to why a player is, or is not, in the yahoo database, and it penalizes owners who do their research.

449

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 13:21

That we continue to use this list as a measure of eligibility for our draft is absurd.

Point taken, but do the pluses outweigh the minuses.

We have used this rule since the beginning and it has worked pretty well so far. If we cease to use the Yahoo list then will this open up a can of worms?

450

Pancho Villa
ID: 495272016
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 13:21

look - i'm getting screwed out of a mid-round pick.

No you're not. Yahoo will add him if he makes the roster. He's already got a Yahoo player profile.

I doubt you'll miss a start. In the meantime, you'll have an open spot on your roster.

451

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 13:22

More players in the databes despite never having played in a MLB game:
Yasuhiko Yabuta
Masa Kobayashi
Gio Gonzalez

452

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 13:23

PV -tree can't keep Cueto, even if Yahoo! adds him now. It was an "illegal" pick.

453

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 13:23

look - i'm getting screwed out of a mid-round pick. i ultimately take responsbility for that, but instead of me tossing out some name willy-nilly, how about giving me more a little time to find a suitable replacement?

Great...who did you pick?

454

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 13:36

Tree said: "look - i'm getting screwed out of a mid-round pick. i ultimately take responsbility for that"

YES! YES! JESUS H. TAP-DANCING CHRIST... I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!

455

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 13:37

I'll stop now.

456

Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 14:14

I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!

um, yea. if you'd bothered to read every post - including the ones that disprove most of your "points", you'd have seen that i took ownership of this from the beginning.

Great...who did you pick?

thanks for contributing very little to this conversation.

457

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 14:32

"thanks for contributing very little to this conversation.

Rules should be voted on during the off season, rules should be followed when they are in place. Make your argument why rules should be changed and I may even vote with you.

Pick your guy so we can activate the league.

458

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 14:39

AF
Rules should be voted on during the off season
You're intitled to your opinion but that's has never been the case with this league to my knowledge.

rules should be followed when they are in place.
No one has suggested anything to the contrary.

Make your argument why rules should be changed
Have you been reading some other thread all day? There are extensive and clear arguments laid out in this thread today by various people. At this point you really need to know the resons behind his proposal?

Tree
Please take your time researching your replacement player. I'm in no rush.

459

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 14:56

Tree
Please take your time researching your replacement player. I'm in no rush.

Well, he needs to make his pick today so that PD can activate the league and we can get the Prospect Draft started, as suggested. The idea that he needs a ton of extra time to make the last pick of the draft's a little silly.

Now might be a good time to clarify who can be picked up on waivers during the propsect draft. My memory of the "Prior Rule" is that prospect eligible players may not be picked up on waivers until after the completetion of the prospect draft. My understanding is that one of the reasons put forth for holding the Propspct Draft directly on the heels of the regular draft was to keep this rule from unduly holding up the waiver selection of such players during the season. The "Prior Rule" was also in place, in part, because of the problem of such high profile players not being in the Yahoo! database. The need for the Rule still exists, obviously....

I'll be lucky to get a pick in before I leave the country, BTW.

460

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 15:11

Thats the way I remember the Prior Rule, too, MBJ. If that's right, what's the point of holding up the prospect draft for two days?

461

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 15:16

At this point you really need to know the reasons behind his proposal?

I don't know that he has proposed anything yet. I see is a bunch of names being thrown around and a lot of rambling but no alternate database.

We have a method in place for proposing new rules or making rule changes. I would like to hear all arguments if that's not asking too much. This league has worked fine in the past using the Yahoo player queue as a drafting standard. If you or anyone else have discovered flaws in this system then please point them out and give me a better alternative and then I'm with you.

462

Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 15:53

Well, he needs to make his pick today so that PD can activate the league and we can get the Prospect Draft started, as suggested. The idea that he needs a ton of extra time to make the last pick of the draft's a little silly.

never, at any point, did i indicate that i wouldn't make a pick today. i got home last night after midnight, after being out of town since Friday morning.

i've just asked for a bit of time, and i'm getting heat for it from one owner in particular, who, apparently, is on the rag today.

I don't know that he has proposed anything yet. I see is a bunch of names being thrown around and a lot of rambling but no alternate database.

you are correct in that i didn't propose anything yet. i said i would be proposing it...

and you chose to respond like a jackass, complete with the wholly inaccurate Cueto has never thrown a pitch in a MLB game. Tree if you researched Cueto enough to pick him how could you not know this without having any concept that there are plenty of players in the yahoo database who have never played in a MLB game.

463

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 16:30

and you chose to respond like a jackass, complete with the wholly inaccurate Cueto has never thrown a pitch in a MLB game. Tree, if you researched Cueto enough to pick him how could you not know this without having any concept that there are plenty of players in the yahoo database who have never played in a MLB game.

You got to be kidding me? So you knew that there were many players in the Yahoo database that hadn't played in a MLB game and you knew that Cueto did not play in a MLB game but you didn't know that he wasn't in the Yahoo data base.

LOL

464

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 16:31

Who did you pick?

465

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 16:51

MITH Tree
Please take your time researching your replacement player. I'm in no rush.

Well that's convenient you are in no rush. I AM. I want to start playing fantasy baseball.

Tree acknowledges he made a mistake. Agreed some of the arguments are getting absurd but Tree you weren't "screwed" out of a mid round pick, you just didn't check the data base.

If you want to change the rule next year write a rules change proposal. Let's get this thing started. ZZZZZZZZZZZ

Let's get on with this. Don't take your time. Have some consideration for the rest of the league who picked correctly and wants to start the season.

LET'S GO

466

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 16:54

Have some consideration for the rest of the league who picked correctly and wants to start the season.

That is funny.

467

Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 17:02

that's convenient you are in no rush. I AM. I want to start playing fantasy baseball.

Tree said he'll make his pick by tonight. PD has said that he will start the prospect draft on Thursday. While I don't know why we must wait until Thursday, I also don't see how rushing Tree (rather than giving him until tonight) will help PD get the Prospect draft started any faster. Do you?

And I certainly don't see why it is necessary for Action Figures to demand 4 times this afternoon that Tree make his pick, much less chide him for stating that he wants some time to look it over.

468

Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 17:06

So you knew that there were many players in the Yahoo database that hadn't played in a MLB game and you knew that Cueto did not play in a MLB game but you didn't know that he wasn't in the Yahoo data base.

as per the post above, i looked up those players after the fact, after you made your silly "point" about players with no mlb experience not being in the yahoo database. you were CLEARLY wrong on this issue, but instead of sucking it up and admitting it, you choose to dwell on foolishness.

Tree acknowledges he made a mistake. Agreed some of the arguments are getting absurd but Tree you weren't "screwed" out of a mid round pick, you just didn't check the data base.

i screwed myself. no biggie. but someone here wanted to make it into a pissing contest, and quite frankly, that's absurd.

Let's get on with this. Don't take your time. Have some consideration for the rest of the league who picked correctly and wants to start the season.

i'm not taking my time, but honestly haven't had the chance to do the research today. out of the office on Friday means i've been too busy today to consult who has, and has not, been picked...

469

Perm Dude
ID: 22253156
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 17:09

AF has doubled his Political Forum posts in one day!

We're not in a huge rush--I certainly didn't expect the replacement before this evening given Tree's note above. This is a small situation seemingly made worse by all the posturing. Let's just get through this and then bend over as I kick everyone's asses this year.

470

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 17:11

Well I can let this thread die but a couple statements Tree made early on set me off. I feel if any one of us would have made this same error then we would have already made our pick and all of us would be able to access our teams by now.

THAT is why I am giving Tree a hard time.

471

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 17:17

will help PD get the Prospect draft started any faster. Do you?

The issue isn't the prospect draft, the issue is getting the league started so if we want to make some moves we can.

I have a move I likely want to make and once PD starts the draft it will still be a 2 day waiting period. The longer we wait, the more time the rest of the league has to catch up on research.

That's all.

I think it's reasonable Tree gets some time to make his pick...I just don't think saying "take your time" serves any purpose but aggravating those who are anxious to get active.

This whole discussion is getting petty though.

472

biliruben
ID: 33258140
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 18:12

I don't know. I assumed AF was mostly kidding, and found him a bit funny. I liked it!

I'm not saying Tree can't take his time to watch the news and maybe get a decent replacement for some pitcher I had frankly never even heard of, but just wanted to give AF some props. I like the banter!

473

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 18:58

I was having fun with most of it, it should be fairly easy to tell but I really wanted him to make that pick so we could all PLAY BALL.

474

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 19:01

We wanna batter, not a broken ladder. We want a pitcher, not Johnny Cueto

Anyone else will do :)

475

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 22:59

I'VE GOT A TEAM!!!

476

Perm Dude
ID: 22253156
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 23:05

Am setting the waiver wire priority right now. Once I swap the Corderos we should be good to go. Let me know of any errors ASAP.

477

Action Figure
ID: 51258919
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 23:28

FWIW you are spot on with my squad.

478

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 16:22

Can we clarify this?

Now might be a good time to clarify who can be picked up on waivers during the propsect draft. My memory of the "Prior Rule" is that prospect eligible players may not be picked up on waivers until after the completetion of the prospect draft. My understanding is that one of the reasons put forth for holding the Propspct Draft directly on the heels of the regular draft was to keep this rule from unduly holding up the waiver selection of such players during the season. The "Prior Rule" was also in place, in part, because of the problem of such high profile players not being in the Yahoo! database. The need for the Rule still exists, obviously....

I believe this refers to prospects who get added to yahoo who were not in the draft time database. There is nothing stopping us from picking up someone on waivers who was available for the draft right?

The rule was always to prevent people from grabbing prospects who were dropped into the data base between the draft and the prospect draft.

Is there anything inaccurate about this statement?

479

Perm Dude
ID: 33239189
Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 16:27

That's right. That's why we decided to close up the time between the regular draft and the prospect draft, so as to make it easier to administer.

480

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 16:30

I believe this refers to prospects who get added to yahoo who were not in the draft time database. There is nothing stopping us from picking up someone on waivers who was available for the draft right?

I don't think we can pick up any "prospect eligible" player until after the draft. I don't remember a disinction (or an easy way to discern) between those added before and after the draft.

We used to have a problem with such players being picked up - like PD said, that's why we oushed the drafts together.

481

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 19:03

MBJ what I mean is, there are a couple of players I almost took during the draft, who were in the yahoo database at the time of the draft. I always thought these were fair game. The problem started when we had 2 months between the draft and the prospect draft and "new" prospects were added to the pool.

That was always the controversy, not players who were available in the draft time data base.

It's easy to check short term because Yahoo logs a list of new additions that can easily be checked.

482

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 19:11

Nope, Nerve. Until the prospect draft is over, no one can pick up any player who has not had 300 AB's or 125 IP's. You could have drafted one, but you can't pick one up now.

I'm glad that the Prospect Draft starts Thursday. I dislike this interim period.

483

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Tue, Mar 18, 2008, 20:33

Is there a big reason not to go ahead and start the Prospect Draft now? There's no time limit anyway; why not start it?

I'd like to get a pick in before I leave the country Friday....I'll forego the rest of my picks.

484

Mattinglyinthehall
Dude
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 00:43

I assume there'll be a draft thread but I 'll put my first pick here:

1.01 Johnny Cueto. SP. Cincy.

485

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 00:55

I assume there'll be a draft thread but I 'll put my first pick here:

1.01 Johnny Cueto. SP. Cincy.

Is that a joke?

***************************

Let's start the draft...

486

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 06:38

Zen 482...I think you are wrong.

I still challenge the rule that we cannot pick up a prospect before Thursday as long as he was part of the original draft day database.

I actually went back through all the rules and as late as 2006 found this in the rules Madman wrote up for us.

j) Prior Rule. Until the Prospect Draft is concluded, no prospect that was ineligible for the regular draft can be acquired by any team.

That's exactly how I remember it. Was there a rule change?

As long as the player was part of the yahoo draft he is eligible to be picked up.

Someone show me a different rule, I can't find it.

The reason we "moved up the draft" was so that new prospects that got added during the season couldn't be added to rosters. It was too confusing to keep track of the newbies, but the originals were always allowed to be added. That is what rule J The Prior rule states.

Someone please show me were this rule was changed or I am reserving the right to draft a prospect that was in the original draft as I believe that is the correct rule.

http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=pol&thread=2607&last=1143594367

487

Mattinglyinthehall
Dude
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 07:59

Why would you think 485 is a joke?

488

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 08:03

Because it's not your turn?

489

Mattinglyinthehall
Dude
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 08:09

Why wouldn't it be my turn?

490

Mattinglyinthehall
Dude
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 08:10

Did Sox trade away prospect draft picks too?

491

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 08:16

If we're going by whatever MM wrote down in 2005 (I'm not); then you have the last pick in the Prospect draft..

492

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 08:16

I thought it was a joke because of the whole Tree thread controversy, I thought you were having some fun.

It's not your turn because the prospect draft goes in the reverse order of the regular draft. A small concession to the league winners for getting the last pick of every round in the non snake regular draft.

493

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 08:18

nerve - you're not seriously sugeesting that that's the rule are you? Are You joking?

494

Mattinglyinthehall
Dude
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 08:22

2007 Prospect Draft Order
Punk
Sox
Perm Dude
Action Figure
Wiggs
Seattle Zen
biliruben
Pancho
coldwater coyotes
Toral
Baldwin
nerveclinic
tree
Myboyjack

2006
Perm Dude
deepsnapper
biliruben
Action Figure
Baldwin
Mark L
nerveclinic
Seattle Zen
Pancho Villa
Sox
Myboyjack
tree
MITH
Toral

2005
PD
nerve
deepsnapper
Action-Figure
Tree
Myboyjack
CCRider
Baldwin
Seattle Zen
Madman
Toral
MITH
biliruben
rfs

495

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 08:24

exactly - reliance on MMs proposed rules is misplaced.

496

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 08:27

MITH looks like your up...so it's Cueto is it?

I have the worst frickin' memory.

What's MM MBJ

497

Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 08:31

Madman - I'm lazy + don't type....

498

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 19, 2008, 09:23

I am keeping all three of my prospects on my bench and not moving any to my 2008 team.

Nerve

499

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Thu, Mar 20, 2008, 14:53

Punk is UP in the prospect draft.

500

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 20, 2008, 15:38

So what do we do to get the prospect draft moving?

501

biliruben
ID: 33258140
Thu, Mar 20, 2008, 15:45

Get punk to draft.

502

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Mar 20, 2008, 16:09

Picking now, Tree texted me about 1 and I told him i'd be home about 4 from work to pick.

503

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 20, 2008, 18:26

I've been checking in all day and night, now it's bed time. I will have to pick in the morning.

Sorry but I can't see leaving a queue.

504

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Thu, Mar 20, 2008, 18:59

Baldwin -

You're up in the Prospect Draft. Pick!

505

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Thu, Mar 20, 2008, 20:34

I left PD a 2 pick queue

506

Perm Dude
ID: 1927207
Thu, Mar 20, 2008, 21:11

Got 'em.

507

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Mar 20, 2008, 21:19

I have one pick left in the prospect draft. I'll be leaving the country tommorrow and won't be around to make my pick. I know I could check in at cafes or whatever from time to time, butI don't want people to be waiting around, and fankly, don't want to worry about it.

I'd like to leave a short Q with whomever will take it. If the Q can be used, great; if it is exhausted, I'll be OK with just having one less Prospect this year.

If someone(s) will take a Q, lwt me know. Thanks.

508

Perm Dude
ID: 1927207
Thu, Mar 20, 2008, 21:56

Send it over. Mark it "prospect pick" or something like that and I'll hold off opening it until your turn.

509

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Mar 20, 2008, 21:58

Thanks. I'll send. Open it whenever, you'll only do yourself harm by trying to gleen anything from it. :)

Again, if it's exhausted, just skip me - I won't be checking in.

510

Pancho Villa
ID: 495272016
Thu, Mar 20, 2008, 22:46

Have a good trip, MBJ. Tip a tall, cool mug of Bavarian suds in tribute to life, liberty, and the Bengals pursuit of a playoff win.

511

Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Thu, Mar 20, 2008, 23:31

Thnks PV, will do.

PD - Q sent.

512

Seattle Zen
ID: 29241823
Thu, Mar 20, 2008, 23:54

Action Figures - he's Baldwin's. Pick again.

513

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 01:10

Attention PD

new list sent please skip first and use this instead

nerve

514

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 01:11

someone should text AF

515

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 08:24

I'll pick in a minute

516

Tree
ID: 3533298
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 08:54

517

Perm Dude
ID: 16219217
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 09:22

I posted nerve's second selection from his last queue in the prospect thread. Looks like Wiggs is now up.

pd

518

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 12:10

I could share Snider with Nerve if he gives up something good. :'P

520

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 12:59

hey folks -

just some words of thought here.

now, three times in seven picks of the prospect draft, we've had a player that was already drafted selected. please check both the yahoo league page, as well as the prospect draft page itself, to make sure you don't double pick.

Yeah I had a list where I had checked off who was already owned pre draft...didn't check the two picks in front of me though.

When I saw PD had picked for me I thought he had really screwed up...nope it was me.

Doh.

521

biliruben
ID: 33258140
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 15:34

Had to pass up some more promising bats to get the little tyke from Taiwan. Hopefully they start slow and trade Furcal early, as Hu looks ready. Upside's probably 15-30-.310 with a lot of doubles.

522

Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 15:36

15-30-.310

15 games

30 At-bats

.310 fielding percentage.

You've done well, Bili :)

523

biliruben
ID: 33258140
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 15:39

Heh.

He found his power-stroke last year, admittedly in the thin air of Vegas, slugging .500 between there and Jacksonville. Wicked quick bat.

My main worry is whether he can steal.

524

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 15:51

Hopefully we'll get a couple more picks in so I can leave someone a short queue before I crash...

525

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 17:13

I give up I am headed to bed, I don't want to leave a 5-6 name prospect queue. Will pick in the morning here, night there.

nerve

526

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 17:25

I think injuries are gonna force Hu into 3B immediately. I looked into him myself. Between 1B and 3B, the Dodgers are gonna open the year really scuffling for healthy effective players.

527

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 17:28

[yes I know Hu is technically a SS]

528

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 17:30

Lol, try looking Hu up on the league search bar.

529

biliruben
ID: 33258140
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 17:51

Heh. That's funny!

You may be right, Baldwin. IIRC, LaRoche is out for a few months, and Nomar has a broken hand.

530

biliruben
ID: 33258140
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 17:55

... well Nomar can play through the micro-fracture of his wrist, rotowire claims. Odds are he'll get hurt again however, playing 3rd ever day. His bat's anemic these days anyway. Hu would likely be an upgrade, if he can hit in the majors. Or even if he struggles for a month or two.

531

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 18:17

MBJ 420 I'd like to get a pick in before I leave the country Friday....I'll forgo the rest of my picks.

Looks like MBJ is done picking? so af is up?

I will send PD a queue

532

biliruben
ID: 33258140
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 18:25

See 507 - PD has a Q for MBJ.

533

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 18:31

ooppps I texted AF.

I also sent PV an email with 2 man queue.

Now I sleep.

534

Perm Dude
ID: 16219217
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 18:42

Got the queue, nerve.

AF is up. I just made MBJ's second (and last) pick.

I'm off to Mass in just a few. Will pick when I get back if AF has already picked.

535

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 20:07

Dunno how I missed that Balentine wasn't already on a prospect keeper roster. It happens every year that I am just sure one player must be a keeper already and I overlook him.

536

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 22:08

This draft is not moving. Doesn't someone have the ability to contact AF...I remember him posting that during the regular draft.

I will be gone (sporting clays tournament) tomorrow from @ 9-2PM CST. I'm not going to leave a 50 man queue, so if draft hasn't reached by tomorrow early AM..it will be shut down untill 3-4 EST

537

Seattle Zen
ID: 29241823
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 23:22

Hey, Perm, do you still have Nerve's Q? He's up.

I'm going to be on the road this weekend with limited access Saturday night, Sunday morning. I'll be at a Draft with Biliruben, actually, so I will have my notes with me. PLEASE call (36oh) 5six2-1171 and I'll make my pick over the phone.

I have three picks this year as I called Phil Hughes up before the draft. With Bili only having two, that means I have the last pick. I will make the last pick Sunday night, if it gets to me.

538

Perm Dude
ID: 16219217
Fri, Mar 21, 2008, 23:34

I think we are going to have to formalize the calling up process a little better. The fairest way to do it, I think, is exactly as Zen is doing: Declare the regular and prospect keepers, call one kept prospect up during the regular draft (in exchange for their last pick), then pick an extra player in the prospect draft.

What I'd like to avoid (or even ban), are callups during the prospect draft.

539

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 00:41

What I'd like to avoid (or even ban), are callups during the prospect draft.

That's been the rule, you have to name prospect u r calling up b4 draft to get a replacement pick.

540

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 02:56

I picked up Fukudome before the prospect draft began but I dob't see how that effects the draft one way or another. I don't get to reuse that slot in this yars draft anyway as much as I'd like to.

541

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 03:11

I don't get to reuse that slot in this yars draft anyway as much as I'd like to.

why wouldn't you, you called him up before the prospect draft started?

That has always opened a slot...as long as you did it before the first prospect draft pick.

This year I think if you did it by Thursday though you should be OK since that's when the commish said the draft would start and MITH just decided to pick early.

542

Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 05:34

I was sure hopin someone would say that but I was worried because I had to declare him a keeper again before this draft. I picked up Fukudome the first day the system would let me and before this started.

Anyone else see this the way Nerve does?

543

Tree
ID: 42212226
Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 08:14

this thread is getting too long...

starting a new one here...

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