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| Posted by: Mattinglyinthehall
- Leader [01629107] Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 14:25
NYT Gov. Eliot Spitzer has informed his most senior administration officials that he had been involved in a prostitution ring, an administration official said this morning.
Mr. Spitzer, who was huddled with his top aides early this afternoon, had hours earlier abruptly canceled his scheduled public events for the day. He is set to make an announcement about 2:15 this afternoon at his Manhattan office.
Mr. Spitzer, a first-term Democrat who pledged to bring ethics reform and end the often seamy ways of Albany, is married with three children.
Just last week, federal prosecutors arrested four people in connection with an expensive prostitution operation. Administration officials would not say that this was the ring with which the governor had become involved. A press conference for this afternoon has been announced. |
| | | 1 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 14:55
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Why is it always these moral crusader types.....
Looks like he was a client - not a pimp or investor or whatever - not a big deal, as far as I'm concerned, but he'll have to resign.
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| | | 2 | JeffG
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Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 15:05
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Spitzer to make announcement soon. Someone called an office mate and heard on Fox News that he may resign.
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| | | 3 | JeffG
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ID: 01584348
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 15:08
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FOX News link re resignation.
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| | | 4 | JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 15:15
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If you google NY.gov, under the State links, it already says Governor David Patterson.
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| | | 5 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 15:26
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If you google NY.gov, under the State links, it already says Governor David Patterson.
no it doesn't....
Spitzer just spoke for 90 seconds. he did not resign. he may still, but currently, he has not. He apologized to his family, and to the public.
so far, the only place i've heard he would resign is, of course Fox News.
Meanwhile, i am sick and tired of that liberal rag the NY Times chasing after all these democrats.
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| | | 6 | JeffG
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ID: 01584348
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 15:31
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It said Governor Patterson in google search results.
If Spitzer does resign, in NY the Lt Gov would serve the rest of the term, which is through Jan 2011.
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| | | 7 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 15:51
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i honestly don't see Patterson's name anywhere on that page you just linked.
It seems like Spitzer might resist resigning, which would go in line with his personality.
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| | | 8 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 17:37
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I thought the rules on the Atlantic Seaboard was you had to resign when you had a gay affair while married. Nailing whores is an honored tradition up there in Albany, ain't it?
Somewhere under that Tar heal Blue jacket of hers is a cotton swab on a vein.
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| | | 10 | The Beezer
Dude
ID: 191202817
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 20:03
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2008 - Spitzer
1998 - Clinton
1988 - Hart
Message to leading Democrats in 2018 - keep it in your pants!
This has been a public service announcement.
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| | | 12 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 23:15
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making the rounds...
Eliot Spitzer vows to crack down on excess prostitute pay
Discovering that the exclusive international ring of prostitutes known as the "Emperor's Club" charged up to $5,500 an hour for their services, New York governor Eliot Spitzer vowed to put an end to this price gouging practice...
"That kind of excessive compensation is simply outrageous. Prostitution is allegedly a victimless crime,” Spitzer said in a press conference that took place only in our imaginations. “But now we see that its customers can become its victims.”
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| | | 13 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 23:17
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Seriously - not a good time to be making this particular hand sign.
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| | | 14 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Mon, Mar 10, 2008, 23:33
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At least 'involvement' didn't include running male prostitution from his house like Barney Frank. After that non-resignation everything else pales.
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| | | 15 | Tree
ID: 342471016
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 00:11
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Post 14 made me laugh. REALLY hard.
we have a current, active, and pretty ugly scandal with a leading democrat - someone who has been mentioned as having white house potential - and instead of harping on that, Baldwin goes back nearly 20 years to a non-related scandal of a completely different man entirely, just so he can get his homophobic rocks off.
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| | | 16 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 00:13
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Analogy is lost on trolls.
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| | | 17 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 00:55
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Looks like he was a client - not a pimp or investor or whatever - not a big deal,
The big deal isn't that he was a client. The big deal is he has thrown people in jail for exactly what he then went out and did. He stood on TV and railed against a prostitution ring he had broken and sent people to jail...then this.
To me that's about as low as it gets, when you are throwing people in jail for something you are doing yourself.
So far I hear he won't resign but based on the points above I don't see how he can avoid it.
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| | | 18 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 01:02
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I don't see how he can avoid it. - Nerve
My point exactly. After Clinton and Frank the threshold for over-the-top outrageous behavior is so high every slimy snake can limbo under it.
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| | | 19 | Perm Dude
ID: 402191010
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 01:06
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Is the only time you listen to gay pimps when you think they have dirt on a Democrat, Baldwin? Just wondering. I never see you quote them any other times.
Over-the-top behavior is not an exclusive domain of one political party or the other. And if you are talking about inconsistent moral stances then the "family values" party has plenty of stories for you.
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| | | 20 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 01:07
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My point exactly. After Clinton and Frank the threshold for over-the-top outrageous behavior is so high every slimy snake can limbo under it.
Baldwin if you want to talk serious how about high treason during Iran contra, daddy Bush took care of that with a pardon.
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| | | 21 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 01:09
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That logic only makes sense to the Daniel Ortega lovers.
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| | | 22 | Tree
ID: 26229114
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 06:35
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Analogy is lost on trolls.
whatever, ass.
That was hardly an analogy. It was another cheap shot against a democratic leader, and one where you were able to grind your homophobic axe, but it was hardly an analogy.
an analogy would be something more like "This is as if Rudy Giuliani was found out to be working with the Mob when he was the mayor, because he railed so hard against that sort of thing..."
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| | | 23 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 06:48
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That logic only makes sense to the Daniel Ortega lovers.
It only makes sense to people who can comprehend the constitution.
You only remember the parts that make your case. If it's so hard for you to understand, perhaps you can at least make sense of the fact Bush felt the need to pardon Because there was a crime and he needed to keep the sharks at bay.
You're partisan Baldwin. As long as it's a Dem or a queer you start drooling, anyone on your team can break the law as they see fit as long as it's part of your agenda.
Death squads for Jesus right?
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| | | 24 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 06:51
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Where Spitzer really screwed up is, come on, how many scalps does he have on his spear? How many powerful people has he slayed. For God's sake he even took down a couple of prostitution rings.
Does he not realize that there have been people watching his ass for 10 years. Did he really think he could get away with this?
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| | | 25 | Myboyjack
ID: 8216923
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 07:13
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Well, Spitzer whole method was to get the dirt on his prey and then pressure them into a plea because of the shizen he hid behind door #2 - so yes, it's insane, but predictible for and egocentric like him, that he'd allow himself to be in the position he so often rlished seeing others in.
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| | | 26 | JeffG
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ID: 01584348
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 09:27
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Lt Gov David Paterson, a Democrat from Harlem who is well respected by NY Republicans as well, would only be the third African American Governor in the US since Reconstruction. He is also legally blind.
Associated Press article
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| | | 27 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 09:36
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I like Spitzer. He was nothing short of a pit bull as state Attorney General. I believed in his ethics and I was eager to vote for him for governor. Even after his tumultuous first year in office I was confident he'd find more solid footing and get things moving in Albany again.
And really I don't care about what he did. Frankly I think prostitution should be legal far more often than it is.
But his credibility as The Steamroller is gone and I believe with it his chance to be an effective executive in a state where the corrupt legislative elites have been dug in for years.
Just resign.
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| | | 28 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 09:45
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And really I don't care about what he did. Frankly I think prostitution should be legal far more often than it is.
MITH, the point isn't should prostitution be legal, I agree strongly on the legalization issue.
The point is he busted people for it, he threw the book at them, he grandstanded on the issue, he expressed outrage at prostitution...THAT is the problem in my mind.
Take away the lives he's wrecked for what you are saying should be legal and I don't disagree with you. It takes one hypocritical MF to grandstand so strongly on an issue, and then turn around and do it himself.
Though his signature issue was pursuing Wall Street misdeeds, as attorney general Mr. Spitzer also had prosecuted at least two prostitution rings as head of the state’s organized crime task force.
In one such case in 2004, Mr. Spitzer spoke with revulsion and anger after announcing the arrest of 16 people for operating a high-end prostitution ring out of Staten Island.
“This was a sophisticated and lucrative operation with a multitiered management structure,” Mr. Spitzer said at the time. “It was, however, nothing more than a prostitution ring.”
That's what I have a problem with.
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| | | 30 | Mattinglyinthehall
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ID: 01629107
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 09:52
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Nerve I don't disagree with you. He's slime. The bulk of my post #27 was regarding the issue of whether he should resign.
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| | | 31 | Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 11:37
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Didn't Foley resign? Did he commit a crime? How is he comparable to what Baldwin argued regarding a refusal to resign, exactly?
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| | | 32 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 11:42
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I think MITH's point is that it's kind of silly to play one-upmanship with sex scandals, which is why he linked Baldwin to a different thread, so he could go play with himself.
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| | | 33 | Mattinglyinthehall
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ID: 01629107
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 11:44
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what Baldwin argued regarding a refusal to resign
You have to be kidding.
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| | | 34 | Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 11:46
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After that non-resignation everything else pales. Baldwin
I don't see how he can avoid it. - Nerve
My point exactly. After Clinton and Frank the threshold for over-the-top outrageous behavior is so high every slimy snake can limbo under it. Baldwin(responding to nerve saying Spitzer'd have to resign...
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| | | 35 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:05
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If your standards for truth really are low enough that you agree with B's assessment of what Frank did or didn't do then I can't help you. And I'm not interested in debating it, anyway.
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| | | 36 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:15
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I'm now eagerly awaiting the Playboy spread of the famous call girl Kristen.
Ah ha, the "assignation".
As soon as she came in, Kristen called her boss, Temeka Lewis, who was the booking agent for the Emperor's Club VIP, the affidavit said. Lewis told her that the client had arrived. He was headed for the room.
An assignation of more than an hour ensued, according to the affidavit.
Ah, Elliot was a bit kinky. The wife wasn't into giving up an assignation for even five seconds.
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| | | 37 | Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:17
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MITH - I don't know what Frank did or did not do; I know what he admitted to, but whatever. He admitted that a whore house was run out of his Washington home "without his knowledge" Right?
I didn't ask you about Frank, though. I was trying to figure out how the Foley example somehow responded to Baldwin's complaint that the standard of conduct for resignation was already miserably low. Foley resigned. You're right - you can't help me there.
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| | | 38 | Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:18
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"assignation" is such a cool old term.. I think a concerted effort to revive its everyday usage would be nice.
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| | | 39 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:26
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MITH
How does anyone who takes seriously Franks' denial that he ever knew his house was being used as a brothel...
...take the stance that he has some superior grasp on the truth?
Spitzer would have had a more believable tale if he claimed he didn't know she was a prostitute till she asked for the cash...which btw it boggles the mind a former prosecuter wasn't using.
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| | | 40 | Mattinglyinthehall
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ID: 01629107
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:27
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I was trying to figure out how the Foley example somehow responded to Baldwin's complaint that the standard of conduct for resignation was already miserably low.
It didn't. #32 has it right.
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| | | 41 | Mattinglyinthehall
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ID: 01629107
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:29
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How does anyone who takes seriously Franks' denial that he ever knew his house was being used as a brothel...
...take the stance that he has some superior grasp on the truth
You're referring to me? Where I make this claim?
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| | | 42 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:35
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Did you not imply in #35 that your standards for truth were superior to mine?
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| | | 43 | Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:37
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It didn't
OK. So you weren't responding to the only point up 'till that time, that Baldwin was making. Got it. You were just saying that it's not OK to mention Barney Frank when talking about political sex scandals.....
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| | | 44 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:42
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It didn't. #32 has it right.
what, you can't give me credit by name? ;o)
i like how this thread got dramatically off topic.
it really does crack me up that Baldwin actually has a democratic leader within the cross hairs, a slight trigger pull away from his career and presidential aspirations ended, and instead shoots 90 degrees further to the left, taking potshots at some old queen who hasn't made headlines for years.
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| | | 45 | Myboyjack
ID: 27210710
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:52
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I kinda though we'd all just agreed to talk about Barney Frank's House for Wayward Boys to keep Baldin interested enough to hover expectantly around the computer until his next draft pick. No?
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| | | 46 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:55
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Yes Tree, just about anything I say cracks you up. The fact that my average vocabulary usage level exceeds you comprehension sends you reeling into hyena fits of laughter.
Unable to rise about the politics of personal destruction yourself, you cannot get over the sight of someone with such an opportunity chosing to think and exersize proportionality, two things faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar beyond your ability.
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| | | 47 | Perm Dude
ID: 82301110
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 12:57
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#45: LOL! We do what we have to do around draft time!
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| | | 48 | Mattinglyinthehall
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ID: 01629107
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 13:16
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MBJ
the only point up 'till that time, that Baldwin was making
What I was responding to was Baldwin's assessment of what Frank did to supposedly warrant a resignation (which, incidentially, distinguishes him from you on the standard of conduct for resignation).
My other point was to note that I'm very tired of these dead horses Baldwin drags out to pummel for the forum, especially when they rely on unsubstantiated claims that he blindly accepts as unquestionable fact.
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| | | 49 | Mattinglyinthehall
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ID: 01629107
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 13:19
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Spitzer would have had a more believable tale if he claimed he didn't know she was a prostitute till she asked for the cash...which btw it boggles the mind a former prosecuter wasn't using.
What's not believable about Spitzer's "tale"? He hasn't denied anything. And the Times is now reporting that he's expected to resign.
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| | | 50 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 13:38
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The fact that my average vocabulary usage level exceeds you comprehension sends you reeling into hyena fits of laughter.
Yea, Baldwin, that's it. It's also your superb spelling that exersize's my brain a bit too much.
What sends me into fits of laughter is your obsession with things like homosexual sex between older men and younger men, heterosexual blowjobs between consenting adults, and the same old tired argument in every single thread.
Try and concentrate on the here and now, will ya? i know it's tough at your age. "Back when i was young..."
So, what are your thoughts on this whole deal with Elliot Spitzer?
Should he resign?
what exactly did he do wrong from a legal standpoint?
is his political clout zero?
What are your thoughts on NY State potentially having a black, legally blind governor?
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| | | 51 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 14:50
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Cat tore off keys from laptop. Bear with me if I miss a letter.
Wrong questions.
Should we return to reasonable decent standards of conduct and how would we ever get them enforced/followed equally across party lines and equally by both the completely shameless and those with vestigal senses of honor?
What is gained by a system that loses a Gingerich but retains the Clintons? Ironically insisting on honorable conduct has the perverse result of removing those with consciences and turning politics into an even more shameless place.
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| | | 52 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:20
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Wrong questions.
for THIS thread, they are the right questions. This thread is about Elliot Spitzer, not a broader discussion involving ethics and morals.
Certainly they play a role, but as usual, you avoided even the most simple of questions asked to you.
but to answer yours...
Should we return to reasonable decent standards of conduct and how would we ever get them enforced/followed equally across party lines and equally by both the completely shameless and those with vestigal senses of honor?
as long as we have politicians who believe that torture and unprovoked war are perfectly acceptable methods to accomplish ones wishes, then we will never have decent standards of conduct.
What is gained by a system that loses a Gingerich but retains the Clintons? Ironically insisting on honorable conduct has the perverse result of removing those with consciences and turning politics into an even more shameless place.
oh, right. i should have known you weren't asking anything real - you were just looking to take a potshot at another Democratic leader...or two.
but still, it should be noted - and not overlooked - that Gingrich was no angel, despite the fact you seem to be making him out to be.
He had 70-something ethics violations against him. He disregarded House rules whenever he saw fit. He probably violated tax laws.
It should also be noted that it was HIS OWN PARTY that sought to neuter his power, and attempted to remove him from his Speaker position.
But if Newt Gingrich is someone you are holding up as an example of high moral standards, well, your standards simply aren't that high.
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| | | 53 | Mattinglyinthehall
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ID: 01629107
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:33
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I think the question of whether we should or can return to a reasonable standard of ethics is probably the most important issue this raises.
That and exactly what that standard should be.
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| | | 54 | Pancho Villa
ID: 495272016
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 15:51
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That and exactly what that standard should be.
It may seem unfortunate, but the standard in the case of Barney Frank is that he continues to be re-elected to the House every two years.
If the electorate, by a majority of votes, decides that a person of questionable moral character best represents their district, then that's the standard.
The same situation exists in San Diego, where Duncan Hunter steered defense projects to shell companies run by his buddies and contributors, projects not even wanted by the Pentagon. Some people find that to be morally repugnant, but not enough of them to keep him from being re-elected every two years.
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| | | 55 | Jag
ID: 171592622
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 16:47
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Newt Gingrich could pay for gay sex with a donkey, then broadcast it on pay-per-view and I would still vote for him.
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| | | 56 | Perm Dude
ID: 82301110
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 16:47
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We know. Donkey.
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| | | 57 | revvingparson
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ID: 059856912
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 17:29
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The problem once again isn't about sex but trying to avoid the laws on large transactions
"...Spitzer last year had wanted to wire transfer more than $10,000 from his branch to what turned out to be the front for the prostitution ring, QAT Consulting Group, which also uses a number of other names, in New Jersey, the sources said.
But Spitzer had the money broken down into several smaller amounts of under $10,000 each, apparently to avoid getting around federal regulations requiring the reporting of the transfer of $10,000 or more, the sources said. The regulations are aimed at helping spot possible illegal business activities, such as frauds or drug deals.
Apparently, having second thoughts about even sending the total amount in this manner because it still might reveal what he was doing, Spitzer then asked that the bank to take his name off the wires, the sources said.
Bank officials declined, however, saying that it was improper to do so and in any event, it was too late to do so, because the money already had been sent, the sources said.
The bank then, as is required by law, filed an SAR, or Suspicious Activity Report, with the Internal Revenue Service, reporting the transfer of the money that exceeded $10,000, but had been broken down into smaller amounts, the sources said."
IF this is what truly happened, its time to step down ASAP because he broke the law and sought others to help him break the law. Good for the bank who told him sorry Governor the law says you can't and we can't and won't do that.
Interestingly law enforcement was interested because they thought he might be getting blackmailed.
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| | | 58 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 17:38
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I don't do federal criminal law, so I don't know these statutes. There may be a requirement that you are prohibited from "smurfing" - making numerous small cash transfers to avoid the $10,000 reporting requirements - if you are doing it for tax evasion or money laundering or some such. Hiding the transactions from the press or your wife might not be a violation of this law. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd look up the statute.
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| | | 59 | Madman
ID: 14139157
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 19:21
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Looks to me like Clinton is going to lose another delegate ...
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| | | 60 | walk
ID: 562271119
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 21:32
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Agree with MITH #27. Just resign. He went after prostitution aggressively, claiming it was associated with human trafficking. These claims have validity. He should resign. How can he effectively govern with such impuned ethics, apparent hypocrisy and dubious motives. Who would listen to this guy anymore?
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| | | 61 | walk
ID: 562271119
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 21:33
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MSNBC is saying that Spitzer may have been involved as a client of prostitutes for the last ten years, with tens of thousands of dollars spent. Dumb fcuker.
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| | | 62 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Tue, Mar 11, 2008, 22:21
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NPR today reported Spitzer himself was a force in giving banks the role of reporting suspicious activity.
It makes you take seriously the idea that 'what goes around comes around' is a deterministic inescapable moral law on equal footing with the laws of physics.
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| | | 63 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 03:50
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What is gained by a system that loses a Gingerich but retains the Clintons?
Because Gingrich was calling for Clinton to resign because Clinton had an affair (While at the same Gingrich was having an affair himself). Therefore Gingrich had no choice but to resign when he was caught having an affair.
Clinton on the other hand wasn't calling for anyone to resign for having an affair.
This is the same point I am making about Spitzer. I don't think he should resign because he had sex with prostitutes, I think that it should be legalized. The reason I am outraged is he threw people in jail for exactly what he was doing.
In fact your Gingrich Clinton example is a perfect comparison and you didn't even realize you were making it.
Gingrich would have been welcome to stay had he not set the bar for himself and always run with the moral supremacist's and called for Clinton's resignation.
This is exactly why Spitzer will be forced to resign.
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| | | 64 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 03:55
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And yeah I know, Clinton lied about it too, but there was enough moral outrage by the Republicans, including Gingrich, over the affair itself, that he was left with little choice but to exit.
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| | | 65 | sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 09:21
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ABC News just broadcast that Spitzer will resign today and that Lt Gov Patterson(? Adderson maybe) will become Gov.
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| | | 66 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 10:32
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Nerve
Nevertheless Gingerich was a far better influence on this country, a more honorable man and not remotely the walking scandal generator Clinton was.
It is exceedingly deleterious to promote the idea that anything goes as long as the perp is a conscienceless sociopath who considers themself beyond the rules of conduct but rather the only people who should resign are people conscious of their fallen nature and therefore 'hypocrits' if they fail their own code of conduct.
Unless you actually want a world run by sociopaths.
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| | | 67 | Perm Dude
ID: 58257128
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 10:58
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Nevertheless Gingerich was a far better influence on this country, a more honorable man and not remotely the walking scandal generator Clinton was.
This attempt to make it not about your point makes it all, well, pointless.
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| | | 68 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 11:33
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| | | 69 | Great One
ID: 1122611
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 11:41
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ALBANY, N.Y. - With pressure mounting on Gov. Eliot Spitzer to resign over a call-girl scandal, investigators said Tuesday he was clearly a repeat customer who spent tens of thousands of dollars — perhaps as much as $80,000 — with the high-priced prostitution service over an extended period of time.
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| | | 70 | Mattinglyinthehall
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ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 11:43
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I just watched his motorcade pull around the corner to his NYC office. I work in a building across the street. The press conference in which he is expected to resign will happen any moment.
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| | | 71 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 11:59
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yep, he's resigned...
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| | | 72 | Mattinglyinthehall
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ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:07
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Tree you know its your turn in the draft, right?
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| | | 73 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:14
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no, i didn't. lol. i'll pick now...
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| | | 74 | revvingparson
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Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:21
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...and the new Lt Gov will be Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno(R) per the NY state Constitution. There will now only be a 2 seat Republican majority but Lt. Gov breaks senate ties. Not sure how Bruno's seat will be replaced.
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| | | 75 | Perm Dude
ID: 58257128
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:23
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Probably by a stuffed pig, if I recall Bruno from my days in NY.
He's losing a heck of a lot of power moving into that position.
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| | | 76 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:23
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I think Bruno keeps his seat. My understanding from Bruno's press conference is that he effectively becomes Lt. Governor for the purpose of playing the tiebreaker role in the Senate.
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| | | 77 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 12:23
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For anyone shedding a tear for Mr. Spitzer today, here are some edited points from a NY Times article today. I think the prick is getting exactly what is coming to him...
Again my complaint is not that he has been caught with a prostitute, it's that he prosecuted and pushed laws to throw people in jail, that he was engaging in, for what should be a victemless crime. (Unless there is true human trafficing involved which is in my mind on par with kidnapping)
As New York’s attorney general, Eliot Spitzer had broken up prostitution rings before, but this 2004 case took on a special urgency for him. Prosecuting an international sex tourism business based in Queens, he listened to the entreaties of women’s advocates long frustrated by state laws that fell short of dealing with a sex trade expanding rapidly across borders.
And with his typical zeal, he embraced their push for new legislation, including a novel idea at its heart: Go after the men who seek out prostitutes.
It was a question of supply and demand, they all agreed. And one effective way to suppress the demand was to raise the penalties for patronizing a prostitute. In his first months as governor last year, Mr. Spitzer signed the bill into law.
Now the human rights groups, which credit him with what they call the toughest and most comprehensive anti-sex-trade law in the nation, are in shock. Mr. Spitzer stands accused of being one of the very men his law was designed to catch and punish.
it also lays the groundwork for a more aggressive crackdown on demand, by increasing the penalty for patronizing a prostitute, a misdemeanor, to up to a year in jail, from a maximum of three months.
“One of the goals of the human trafficking law was the acknowledgment that demand is a critical factor in sex trafficking,” she said. “And as a result of that, it increased the penalties for patronizing a prostitute across the board, whether or not the person is trafficked.”
See Ya Spitz, hopefully the jury doesn't give you the same penalties you advised for others.
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| | | 78 | walk
ID: 181472714
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 16:59
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Man, what a buffoon.
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| | | 79 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 17:16
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Baldwin when I read your response in post 66 I wonder if you even understand that 1+1=2.
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| | | 80 | Madman
ID: 14139157
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 18:12
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Does anyone know what this Kristen looked like? We can't fully evaluate Spitzer's judgment without knowing what he was buying for $5k/hr.
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| | | 81 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 18:13
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Money well spent.
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| | | 83 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 18:40
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Certain narcistic sociopaths [like Bill] get an extra jolt out of the feeling of untouchability/invincibility and 'catch-me-if-you-can' and I have to wonder if that wasn't at work here.
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| | | 84 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 19:14
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Who was that preacher recently found to be having gay affairs? Just curious Boldy, why you didnt insert HIS name instead of Bill? I mean, that was FAR more recent and more relevanmt in that it was a person of power/authority preaching one behavior while excercising another. (I may have missed it, but I dont recall Bill ever proclaiming that monogamy was the end-all-be-all of human life. And no, I'm not defending his actions/choices.)
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| | | 85 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 19:38
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Just citing the most famous narcistic sociopath.
I don't listen to, follow, keep track of or defend leading preachers in other religions.
You liberals actually would come down harder on a tea-totaller who had one drink than on a Barney Frank incapable of shame and therefore magically immune to the only sin liberals recognize, hypocracy.
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| | | 86 | Tree
ID: 242231217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 19:40
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her myspace page... (including the FULL bikini shot from the above photo...
the hits for that page are going up at a rate of like 10,000 a minute...
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| | | 87 | Tree
ID: 242231217
Wed, Mar 12, 2008, 21:51
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in the two hours and 10 minutes since i posted that link, she has literally gotten 1 million hits.
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| | | 88 | Wilmer McLean
ID: 492161116
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 03:18
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Spitzer gubernatorial campaign ad:
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| | | 89 | Razor
ID: 420241513
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 09:56
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Why the hell does CNN.com have a picture of a prostitute as its headline article? And why are they digging around on her Myspace page? Is this what passes for journalism these days?
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| | | 90 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 10:10
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no, but it passes for news.
based on the sheer amount of hits she's gotten in the last 12 hours, obviously, a lot of people are interested.
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| | | 91 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 11:02
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Being an out and out prostitute she's prolly not a hypocrit so why don't Dems run her to replace him next term? She's obviously real popular, great name rcognition and blessedly free of the only sin Dems recognize.
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| | | 92 | sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Mar 13, 2008, 11:08
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The only sin you seem to recognize, is having a (D) associated with your name. IE, you dont keep up with recently fallen preachers of different religions (at least not when they have an (R) on their voter registration card), but you certainly name Dems whose actions constitute sin in your eyes, from years past.
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| | | 93 | Boldwin
ID: 3013265
Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 06:14
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You don't read well. I thot those preachers were false shepherds and wolves fleecing the flocks before they 'fell'. No need to track them. God's adverse judgment will start with them.
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| | | 94 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 07:09
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Ironic that I find validation of my points to Baldwin about why Clinton "was left off the hook" in the end for his scandal in a Newspaper in Dubai.
The quote below is taken from a newspaper here although quotes in the article were from Siva Vaidhyanaphan, professor of media studies at the University of Virginia and Zogby International polling firms, John Zogby.
Moreover, Vaidhyanaphan added, pointing to Spitzer’s fall, “There is now a much lower tolerance of hypocrisy.” In Clinton’s case, Vaidhyanaphan said, he completed his mandate still one of the most popular presidents in modern times because “Americans were willing to excuse his behavior because he was never hypocritical about it, and he seemed sincere in his apologies.”
The head of Zogby International polling firm, John Zogby, agreed hypocrisy was the main reason of Spitzer’s downfall. “Voters just don’t like people who say one thing and then completely do another,” he said. “In Spitzer’s case, the hypocrisy has been palpable... Spitzer was not in any position to beg forgiveness because he never, ever forgave.”
link
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| | | 95 | Perm Dude
ID: 22253156
Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 08:57
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Also, there is a difference between sex given away and sex paid for in our society.
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| | | 96 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 14:23
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Also, there is a difference between sex given away and sex paid for in our society.
PD haven't you heard...you always "pay" for it in one form or another...marriage might be the most expensive way to go about acquiring it, unless you marry into money... 8-}
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| | | 97 | Boxman
ID: 571114225
Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 13:55
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I don't care what you think of Ann Coulter. THIS is good writing.
And now Spitzer's entire anal-retentive, good paper-writing life has collapsed in the horrifying image of a frenzied masturbator. This is the most complete coup de grace imaginable, short of an assassin's bullet.
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| | | 98 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 14:12
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THIS is good writing.
I certainly see why the author of such literary treasures as post 443 here would think so.
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| | | 99 | Boxman
ID: 571114225
Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 16:26
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Look, you can't be the ruling party AND have the ability to outrage. That's gonna be mine soon and I'm gonna use it. That, and "The Great Leader did this, but he could have done MORE."
I guess you're just getting it out now while you still can.
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| | | 100 | Boxman
ID: 571114225
Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 16:28
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Has anyone yet commented on two interesting facts about this scenario?
1) A male politician is finally caught with a WOMAN this time.
2) The guy's name is Spitzer. I mean, c'mon, a sex scandal involving the name Spitzer. That doesn't make you laugh?
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| | | 101 | Wilmer McLean
ID: 342431614
Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 16:50
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Expecting this on Law & Order next season.
But, which one? Criminal Intent? SVU? ;)
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| | | 102 | Tree
ID: 02141622
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 00:26
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2) The guy's name is Spitzer. I mean, c'mon, a sex scandal involving the name Spitzer. That doesn't make you laugh?
no more so than if it were a guy named Bush. or Dick. Or Willie. and so on, and so on.
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| | | 103 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 01:27
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The woman involved has already made more the a million dollars on the scandal by selling downloads of her songs.
She had two songs available on a download site at .99 cents each. The tracks are getting downloaded and have passed the million mark and she gets .70 cents on each download.
She's also in negotiations with Penthouse and Hustler to pose nude.
15 minutes of fame, cash in while you can baby.
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| | | 104 | Building 7
ID: 22271821
Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 00:36
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What if Spitzer had been the governor of Nevada?
Would there have even been a crime?
I haven't read this whole thread to see if this point has been brought up.
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| | | 105 | nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 03:33
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Would there have even been a crime? I haven't read this whole thread to see if this point has been brought up.
1) It's sort of beside the point since it didn't happen in Nevada.
2) Prostitution is only legal in, I think, 1 county in Nevada, not the whole state. It's not even legal in Vegas. (although lot's of blind eyes)
3) What you haven't read in the thread is the hypocrisy practiced by creating laws to throw people in jail, and aggressively prosecuting laws for a crime he was committing himself.
4) You should read the whole thread, a rare chance on these forums to see Dems actually criticize one of their own..although they are finally criticizing Hillary too now that the love Obama.
5) Please dems don't give me a hard time about comment 4 I've never voted for any Republican in my life.
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