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Subject: baseball 2008 DRAFT DISCUSSION thread II

  Posted by: Tree - [42212226] Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 08:13
other thread was getting waaay too long..
 
1Tree
      ID: 42212226
      Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 08:15 		This year I think if you did it by Thursday though you should be OK since that's when the commish said the draft would start and MITH just decided to pick early.

i expressed concern to the commish about this, as i had plans to call someone up, but all of a sudden, the draft started...
 
2nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 09:12
I was sure hopin someone would say that but I was worried because I had to declare him a keeper again before this draft. I picked up Fukudome the first day the system would let me and before this started.

Anyone else see this the way Nerve does?

I don't think there is even a debate Baldwin. You added the player to your yahoo roster before the draft started. The rule has always been that you free up a prospect slot if you do this...where's the controversy.

Tree if PD acknowledges you contacted him about adding a prospect to your roster before the draft then I don't see a controversy there either although you should have posted it in the draft thread to the whole league and added the player to your roster.

PD?


 
3tree on the treo
      ID: 40842210
      Sat, Mar 22, 2008, 09:31 		I will admit that was on the fence, waiting to see more info on the player...its probably a so-called photo finish, and I'm fine either way...
 
4nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 00:31

Can we please get the prospect draft finished so the waiver wire frees up?

 
5Tree
      ID: 52492214
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 00:39 		it's the weekend.

of the NCAAs. relax. :o)

and the waiver wire is freed up. you just can't pick up prospect eligible players.
 
6nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 07:46
and the waiver wire is freed up. you just can't pick up prospect eligible players.

Duh, I've already been picking players up. 8-}

I mean I might want to pick up a prospect.

Of course I might not, I could be bluffing to freak everybody out.

 
7Action Figure
      ID: 22148145
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 08:07 		I mean I might want to pick up a prospect.

Of course I might not, I could be bluffing to freak everybody out.



Which is in fact slowing the draft down

HAPPY EASTER
 
8Tree
      ID: 44243236
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 08:46 		i really doubt anyone is freaked out that you might want to pick a prospect up....

OMGZZZZ!!!! i better figure out who NC might pick up, so i can get him!!!/
 
9Action Figure
      ID: 22148145
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 09:33 		OMGZZZZ!!!! i better figure out who NC might pick up, so i can get him!!!/


see...Do you have any idea how long that takes?
 
10Seattle Zen
      ID: 190262021
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 13:56 		You are up, Tree
 
11Perm Dude
      ID: 142412312
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 16:09 		If your high schooler isn't pr yet, he's not a valid pick, Zen.
 
12Tree
      ID: 511251614
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 18:04 		PR?
 
13coldwater coyotes
      ID: 570432817
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 18:08 		potty ready
political retard

 
14Boldwin
      ID: 8248236
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 18:41 		Zen surely got Upton while he was in school. What's yer problem with that, PD?
 
15Seattle Zen
      ID: 29241823
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 21:10 		That's not the rule, PD. It's always been: any human. Baldwin is right, I drafted both Upton brothers while they were in high school. Same goes for Joe Mauer.
 
16Boldwin
      ID: 8248236
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 21:15 		Baldwin is right - SZ

I'll have that on a bronze plaque please.
 
17Seattle Zen
      ID: 29241823
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 21:18 		Let's put that into context... and in bronze

Baldwin is right of Bob Dornan

:)
 
18Perm Dude
      ID: 142412312
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 21:54 		In 2003, nerve declared:

Anyone in the minor league or who has been drafted to be in the minor league (We never said this but I would think no amatuers) can be drafted as a prospect. (post 29)

Likewise, our last two prospect drafts included this note in the first post of each prospect draft thread:

The player pool for this draft is limited to professional baseball players who meet all of the following qualifications...

If the rule was changed I haven't found it yet, and if so we've ignored it the last draft or two.
 
19Tree
      ID: 511251614
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 22:07 		wow. that's a pretty interesting find.

 
20Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 22:22 		Hope everyone had an enjoyable holiday.

Why should Nerve's post 29 from that thread be considered binding? In fact teh parentheses portion confirms that this was merely his interpretation of the rule and that he was the first to express this assumption.

As Boldwin points out, I'm pretty sure Upton was an undrafted high schooler when he was selected as a prospect in ths league. David Price might also have been. And I believe Jared Weaver was, as well.

Why should this particular musing from 5 years ago be considered binding over 5 years of contrary practice since then? I have no idea what Nerve could have been thinking that day but can anyone think of a good reason for why this should be a rule? Why we should even further handcuff the productivity of the above-and-beyond research that some dedicated managers do to keep a competitive edge?

I'll hold off from my next pick until PD makes a ruling. Someone please text me when I'm up: 7one8.too49.seven0o4
 
21Action Figure
      ID: 51258919
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 23:05 		I've always remembered the rule to be anyone anywhere any time.

 
22Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Sun, Mar 23, 2008, 23:10 		If this is a rule(no amatuers), then I will need to re-pick, since Alvarez is in college this year.
BTW, David Price was his teammate last year. Most of the top college players were drafted out of high school but deferred to attend college. Some are drafted multiple times before actually signing.
 
23Seattle Zen
      ID: 29241823
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 00:09 		Nerve, himself, picked the amateur Jered Weaver from Long Beach State.

If that was the rule back in 2003, it isn't the rule now. Last year I took David Price and Matt Wieters, both college kids.
 
24Tree
      ID: 511251614
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 03:49 		again, it's definitely interesting. not sure if it's binding, but it is interesting.
 
25nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 06:19 		If the rule was changed I haven't found it yet, and if so we've ignored it the last draft or two.

But we've also allowed college players. They are essentially players that "could be professional" age wise etc. but have chosen the college route instead.

 
26nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 06:21
I think the point is there might be a distinction between college and high school but I don't know if it's ever come up.

I know we discussed and agreed at the time of Weaver that college wasn't an issue. The point did come up and obviously I was able to keep him.

 
27nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 06:28
MITH

MITH 2003 was probably the year when we formed the league, I was commish and was probably just thinking out loud about rules. I'll go back and look at the context in the thread.

I know we've allowed college. I know it came up when I picked Weaver. It would seem silly to disallow college players since they are the same age as minor leaguers, often older, but have often just chosen to get their degree. It doesn't mean they wouldn't of been drafted by MLB.

I don't recall any high school discussions but that is probably more due to my lack of memory then a concrete belief it was never discussed.

 
28Seattle Zen
      ID: 29241823
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 10:52 		Back in 2002, Madman picked Zack Greike while he was a high school player.

Wow, we picked a lot of great players in that draft.

I took Justin Upton out of high school in 2005.

There is plenty of precedent.
 
29Perm Dude
      ID: 142412312
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 10:52 		In looking through a lot of posts, two things appear:

-wherever it was specified, the limitation was on professional players (minors, MLB, Japanese, wherever players are paid to play).

-we have ignored this limitation.

This seems to fall squarely into the commissioner edict area, I think, and so I will rule that the pick is permitted. I will also propose a rule to allow non-professional prospect picks.
 
30Pancho Villa
      ID: 495272016
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 11:01 		I will also propose a rule to allow non-professional prospect picks.

Obviously that makes sense, especially considering that we hold our prospect draft prior to the MLB draft.

Banning non-professionals eliminates any player in the College World Series(or any stand out college player), say a Mark Prior or Ian Kennedy, who made major league rosters in the same season they wrapped up their college careers.
 
32Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 11:46 		MITH

I have the final pick of round three.

PD

Thank you, another Solomonic decision by the Commish.
 
33Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 11:48 		Draft order for the final two rounds (amended):

Round 3:
MITH
Punk
Baldwin
AF
Pancho
Wiggs
Taxman
CC
Seattle Zen

Round 4:
MITH
Baldwin
Pancho
 
34nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 12:41
PD I will also propose a rule to allow non-professional prospect picks.

I think this is a wise move by the commish. Whatever we think the rules are this is how we've been playing. Why not let someone take a chance on someone who still has acne?

 
35Perm Dude
      ID: 142412312
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 14:24 		Payment received from Baldwin. Thanks.
 
37Action Figure
      ID: 51258919
      Mon, Mar 24, 2008, 23:30 		My last pick has been made.
 
38Boldwin
      ID: 8248236
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 04:23 		Actually, assuming the commish agrees with Nerve's understanding, I would have a pick in round 5 as well.
 
39Perm Dude
      ID: 7221257
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 16:39 		I'm not sure what the question is, Baldwin. You had one prospect (Fukudome) that you called up after the draft began. While you are always free to call up a prospect at any time, this doesn't give you another pick if you did so after the draft began.

Zen used his final pick to bring up a prospect, and so got another pick in the prospect draft because this was done before the prospect draft began.
 
40Boldwin
      ID: 8248236
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 21:52 		What in the rules prevents me from dropping Parra and putting him on my prospect roster?
 
41PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 22:32 		It isn't part of the draft?
 
42Tree
      ID: 02582518
      Tue, Mar 25, 2008, 22:44 		What in the rules prevents me from dropping Parra and putting him on my prospect roster?

because your waiver priority is 10, and mine is 3?

he wouldn't go directly to the free agent wire. he'd go to waivers, and there are 9 owners ahead of you, at least one of whom would certainly make a waiver claim to prevent you from attempting to circumvent the rules.
 
43Perm Dude
      ID: 372112522
      Wed, Mar 26, 2008, 00:13 		#40: The only means for putting prospects onto a manager's prospect list is the prospect draft.
 
44nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 01:12

Baldwin everyone knew the draft was Thursday. You had a week to move him to your team but you waited until after the draft started.

Yeah MITH started early but the draft was officially starting Thursday and you waited then until the to make the move. It's been the rule once the prospect draft starts you can't open a prospect slot by moving someone to your team.

If you can move someone to free a slot after the draft starts I might consider moving Ellsbury...but I can't.
 
45Boldwin
      ID: 332562616
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 01:29 		You've got it backwards, Nerve. I'm not tryig to free up a prospect keeper slot. Im trying to put him on my prospect keeper roster by dropping him from my regular squad and then drafting him.

I find it impossible to believe the rule is written so airtight that it excludes picking him off the waiver-wire during the propect keeper draft. But if that is the way everyone thinks it should read then the lawyer who someday formalizes these loosely written and unwritten rules of ours should make a note of this discussion.
 
46Boldwin
      ID: 332562616
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 02:06 		What you want to read about the 2B prospect you picked 48 hrs ago...
Alexei Ramirez went 2-for-4 and hit a grand slam off Ben Sheets in Wednesday's loss.

Ramirez hit ninth today, but it appears as though he'll spend a time leading off and playing center field while Jerry Owens misses the start of the year
 
47Boldwin
      ID: 332562616
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 04:36 		Hey, I just realized I am the only guy with a fith-rounder...will be back with a doozie!
 
48Tree
      ID: 34220274
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 06:23 		Boldwin - you do not have a 5th round pick. as has been previously noted, you called up Fukudome after the prospect draft had already started.

stop being intentionally obtuse and ignoring several other members of the league, because it only serves to discredit yourself, and cause disharmony within the league.

Several owners have commented on this, and the commissioner ruled on this.
 
49Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 09:20 		am i the only one that is being thoroughly entertained by watching Baldwin ignore all the posts telling him he doesn't have a 5th round prospect draft pick?

personally, it's quite entertaining.
 
50myboyjack
      ID: 7230278
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 10:41 		um....if boldwin gets another pick, I do too for Josh
BTW, Im in Salzburg and youre not. nah nah nah

;)
 
51biliruben
      ID: 51232515
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 11:03 		Have a, um..., Salzburger for me. Extra cheese.
 
52Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 11:11 		and, i would be looking for another pick as well for a roster move i did not make, after discussing the situation privately with PD.

and tonight i will be in orlando, drinking lots of beer as the build to Sunday's WrestleMania hits a fever pitch.
 
53Boldwin
      ID: 332562616
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 11:57 		I picked Fukudome up the instant the system would let me. You will notice the only way I could have done it sooner would be to have asked the commish to do it for me and go around the WW waiver time-limit. I honestly thot I had gotten it in time but I now see MITH had one pick in Wed. That bites. I thot you yourself had agreed with me in post #2 that the issue was obviously in my favor and hadn't noticed since that anyone had disputed it. I thot I had beaten the clock and Tree was the one who missed the deadline. That was the flavor I got from his comment.

Did MITH and/or the commish intend to kill the chance to clear the prospect rosters of obvious call-ups?
 
54Mattinglyinthehall
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 12:40 		Yes it was quite intentional. I saw that Baldwin picked up Fukudome allowing me the opportunity to screw you out of having 5 prospects this year.

And I freaking pounced.

You know, Perm Dude and I have actually been plotting this since last year. I convinced Soxzeitgeist to abandon his Poliforum team, knowing all along that Perm Dude would pull the necessary strings to invite me to replace him. Nerveclinic then made it easy by requesting a couple of days between the two drafts and during which PD would activate the league, opening the door for mayhem!
 
55Perm Dude
      Dude
      ID: 030792616
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 12:41 		We're also plotting to get a president who has a black baby.
 
56PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 12:44 		I think i'm watching a Darkwing Duck ep and now Tauras the Bull has been found out!
 
57Tree
      ID: 3533298
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 12:56 		Baldwin - you had all draft to call him up, ala SZ. you even had a few days prior.

i had the same amount of time to call up my prospect, waited until the last minute, and got burned because i did so.

accept some responsibility.
 
58Boldwin
      ID: 332562616
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 13:47 		I think it wouldn't let you pick anyone up until two days after PD input the players. If the reason I couldn't was because I had to wait for Schilling to go on the DL I could live with that, but I'm pretty sure to be fair we needed to give people a chance before starting prospect draft until the WW cleared to FA.
 
59Boldwin
      ID: 332562616
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 13:48 		Or alternatively make it the official rule that players called up from the prospect roster don't clear a prospect slot.
 
60biliruben
      ID: 33258140
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 13:56 		Baldwin - All you have to do is post your intention to call him up here on the boards, as all other managers, this year and previous years, have done.

Nobody screwed you except you, for not paying sufficient attention to this league in all it's complexities.

I'm empathetic, as I too have found it difficult sometimes to keep track of things, but I don't complain about it, as it's my fault/decision on time management.

Personal responsibility. Owning up to one's own short-comings and resolving to be better in the future. These are the themes at work here. Good, conservative bedrock principles!
 
61Boldwin
      ID: 332562616
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 17:02 		From Draft discussion thread 1...
I don't get to reuse that slot in this yars draft anyway as much as I'd like to. - Boldwin

why wouldn't you, you called him up before the prospect draft started?

That has always opened a slot...as long as you did it before the first prospect draft pick.

This year I think if you did it by Thursday though you should be OK since that's when the commish said the draft would start and MITH just decided to pick early. - Nerveclinic
How did Nerve change his mind 180 degrees like this? I was ok with the idea till he got me thinkin I was good to go.

 
62biliruben
      ID: 33258140
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 17:40 		Hmm... You may have a case if you are saying you brought him up before what was supposed to be the stated start of the prospect draft. Did you do that?
 
63Tree
      ID: 462472715
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 17:59 		Hmm... You may have a case if you are saying you brought him up before what was supposed to be the stated start of the prospect draft. Did you do that

according to the yahoo page, Baldwin picked him up the morning the draft was scheduled to start. IMHO, that's cutting it too close. if he had picked him up wednesday, there wouldn't be a question, but it's showing a Thursday pick up.
 
64biliruben
      ID: 33258140
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 18:23 		Well, that and his recorded musings that that is what he would like to do, if allowed, and I'm inclined to give him a 5th pick.

Sounds like a decision for Super Perm Dude, Commissioner Extraordinnaire!
 
65Tree
      ID: 462472715
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 18:41 		see, my problem is this. i too, waited until the last minute. i didn't trade for the starting CF of the Twins who is a serious speedster so he could languish on my prospect list.

but, thursday came around, and i didn't call him up. i had every intention to call him up, but didn't.

the rules were specific. the draft started thursday. all prospects should have been called up prior to that day.

if you're going to start giving people breaks because they meant to do something, but didn't, then we have a problem, not the least of which is that i want my third round prospect draft pick, which negates the entire fourth round.

you also need to grant MBJ another prospect pick because he called up Josh Hamilton the same day Baldwin called up Fukudome.

the can of worms you're risking opening here is large.
 
66biliruben
      ID: 33258140
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 18:49 		Hey, I don't even have a can-opener.

You really aren't going to wait and see on Gomez? That seems silly, given the strong possibility that he struggles early and gets sent down.

But whatever. T'ain't up to me. You know I hate the rule, and argued vigorously against it for years. Just one more reason to do away with it, if it's going to get folks all riled-up.
 
67biliruben
      ID: 33258140
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 18:54 		Wow. Josh has 298 ABs. Anyway, I didn't realize the other implications with Josh.

Fair enough.
 
68Tree
      ID: 462472715
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 18:58 		to me, the rule is clear. it's got to be done the day before the draft starts.

if we want to modify so it can be done during the draft, i'd be ok with that for next year and beyond, but i think opening things up right now is rough.
 
69Boldwin
      ID: 332562616
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 19:18 		I didn't wait. I hung on the WW for several days until everyone turned into FA's and picked him up at 4 in the freakin morning the first chance anyone had. What says 'wait' there?
 
70tree on the treo
      ID: 40842210
      Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 19:59 		the fact that in years past this type of transaction was done by promoting the prospect during the regular draft or by posting/letting the commish know.

this has always been the rule...

the draft starts thursday. picking up a player on thursday is too late imho..
 
71myboyjack
      ID: 41232717
      Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 06:14 		Baldwin could have communicated better but, IMHO, he should get his fifth pick. tree is right about the rule, such as it is, but we have always been more insisent on the spirit of the rule when a managers intentions have been made, or are inherently, clear.

in reviewing what Balwin posted and did it seems mnifestly that he was trying to call up his prospect before the schedled prospect draft without losing his waiver priority.

this is another problem caused y not stating the prospect draft immediately after the regular draft, i think.
 
72Perm Dude
      ID: 4222288
      Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 10:07 		this is another problem caused y not stating the prospect draft immediately after the regular draft, i think.

Exactly. We've had a couple of bumps because of this (and because of the very early start to the season).

I'm not exactly certainly why Baldwin didn't put in a waiver wire claim instead of waiting until waivers were cleared. If he had put in a claim then the timeliness issue would be clear. But he didn't. I have to mull this over just a little bit.
 
73Boldwin
      ID: 332562616
      Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 10:16 		Why should you have to put in a WW claim and lose your position for someone you already own? Can anyone really believe there was any doubt about whether I would be picking him up immediately? I drafted him in the 8[14] round in my other expert keeper league. Yeah, it wasn't even a question whether I would pick him up immediately.
 
74PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 10:54 		Then why didn't you post on here and ask PD to put him on your roster?
 
75Perm Dude
      ID: 4222288
      Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 11:21 		Why should you have to put in a WW claim and lose your position..."

Because you want to get another prospect draft pick. Look, no one is doubting your ability to pick up your own prospect. There is no limitation on that. So if you want to drop your claim on an extra prospect pick we're done.
 
76Boldwin
      ID: 332562616
      Fri, Mar 28, 2008, 18:05 		I am so sick of farm systems that screw me over I could scream. Do whatever, try and be consistant and don't give Tree the same deal next year that I got screwed out of this year.
 
77tree on the treo
      ID: 40842210
      Sat, Mar 29, 2008, 10:58 		if u have a problem with the farm system, offer up some changes...
 
78Boldwin
      ID: 422472910
      Sat, Mar 29, 2008, 12:51 		No no, lets just leave it that no one gets to drop a prospect to his regular roster at the start of the year to clear a slot on the prospect roster. That works perfecly.
 
79Boldwin
      ID: 422472910
      Sat, Mar 29, 2008, 12:59 		Nope, a little Kirsty Hawkshaw and I am just fine. I've seen the light. We should always do it this way for ever and ever. Don't know why I ever had a problem with it.
 
80Perm Dude
      ID: 02562915
      Sat, Mar 29, 2008, 19:42 		Just make sure to drink whatever it is before you go into the voting booth, Baldwin. I think you'll only vote Democratic when high on something anyway.

Sorry for the delay in getting back to this. With my mother-in-law sick, Obama-mania here in the Keystone State, plus a stupidly busy day Friday (including doing work on a very interesting book that tells evolutionary theory through a religious lens) it just wasn't possible to read over all this again and digest it all.

I have every reason to believe that while Baldwin should have done things differently to ensure he was within the spirit and letter of the rules, I have to allow that the Liberal Republicans who form this Administration and rule the RNC probably have addled things for him and therefore a little leeway while he considered drinking the Obama kool-aid is probably in order. So five picks it is.

Next year we will certainly go back to back drafting with no break, and that'll elliminate these problems. So there you go. The Commish Has Spoken!
 
81Boldwin
      ID: 422472910
      Sun, Mar 30, 2008, 01:58 		Thank you, and I don't vote ever so there's one vote Obama supporters don't need to worry about.
 
82Boldwin
      ID: 422472910
      Sun, Mar 30, 2008, 15:14 		On the off chance these sublime videos really do effect the commish, I offer, All is Full of Love - Bjork

Not sure that's the real title but it works for me.
 
83Boldwin
      ID: 422472910
      Mon, Mar 31, 2008, 00:17 		Lyrics if you care.
 
84nerveclinic
      ID: 105222
      Mon, Mar 31, 2008, 16:06
On the off chance these sublime videos really do effect the commish, I offer, All is Full of Love

Not sure that's the real title but it works for me.

Jeez Baldwin is there something you want to share with the rest of the league?

 
85Boldwin
      ID: 202383115
      Mon, Mar 31, 2008, 17:40 		Gratitude?
 
86Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Mon, Mar 31, 2008, 17:42 		CC has picked up Edison Volquez - He's a prospect.
 
87biliruben
      ID: 33258140
      Mon, Mar 31, 2008, 17:46 		So, does MBJ get a final prospect pick too?
 
88Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Mon, Mar 31, 2008, 17:51 		Brandon LYON!!!!!!!

In like a Lyon, out like a DEMIGOD!

Gloat over.
 
89Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Mon, Mar 31, 2008, 19:45 		So, does MBJ get a final prospect pick too?


No, I didn't ask or post bjork videos.:)

I never made my intention clear on Hamilton, unlike Baldwin; I was too busy. My loss. NBD.
 
90coldwater coyotes
      ID: 570432817
      Mon, Mar 31, 2008, 21:31 		OOPs and Carlos Gomez is a prospect.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!