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| Posted by: azdbacker
- [330592710] Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 10:50
For conservatives.
http://www.conservatismtoday.com/my_weblog/2008/06/top-10-positive.html
It's been awhile since I've talked to most of you. I finally graduated from ASU, I'm freelancing for the Arizona Capitol Times and running a blog and playing poker part time. I'm glad to see this forum is still going strong and expect to talk to you all more in the near future.
And my DBacks are in 1st place. Life is good! |
| | | 1 | biliruben
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Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 11:43
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Congrats and welcome back, AZ!
Thought I'd get that out of the way before clicking through your link (your blog?) and saying: Go Dodgers!
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| | | 2 | azdbacker
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Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 13:44
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Hey bili. I was just talking about you the other day, I don't remember what show it was, but they were talking about biliruben, and my wife was wondering why I couldn't stop laughing.
Yeah, that's my blog. Pretty excited that John Hawkins linked to this post at Conservative Grapevine late last night. I've gotten more traffic from there today than I have in a month.
I would respond about the Dodgers, but I think they're pretty irrelevant right now.
;)
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| | | 3 | Mattinglyinthehall
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Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 14:40
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AZD
Welcome back to the forum. Congratulations on the success of your Blog. I was poking around on it and came across an entry in which you have perpetuated a rumor/misconception about a excerpt from Obama's first book.
Your entry is titled, "Is Obama the Unity Candidate? What does he Really Think About Whitey?" The entry assumes and propagates something entirely different from the original intended context. Here's the text from your entry:"That's just how white folks will do you. It wasn't merely the cruelty involved; I was learning that black people could be mean and then some. It was a particular brand of arrogance, an obtuseness in otherwise sane people that brought forth our bitter laughter. It was as if whites didn't know they were being cruel in the first place. Or at least thought you were deserving of their scorn. White folks." Obama in that excerpt appears to claim explicitly and in the present that white people are cruel, arrogent and obtuse to the point of deservedly evoking "bitter laughter" from blacks. But a reading of Dreams From My Father will confirm that he wasn't expressing his present-day opinions at the time he wrote that excerpt. The book is about the evolution of his development and coming to terms with his multi-cultural background. In the clip you provide in your entry, he was discussing a phase he went through during his time as an undergrad at Occidental College, 15 years before the book was published.
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| | | 5 | Boxman
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Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 15:05
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"It took a Carter to make Reagan possible."
Sad but true. I love it!
Excellent blog/column. Keep them coming. I don't know you from Adam, AZD, but I'm looking forward to the next installment. You just graduated college? Congrats and I'm impressed.
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| | | 6 | azdbacker
ID: 65401412
Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 15:08
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MITH -
Good to hear from you. I appreciate you taking the time to read my blog and respond. I've read parts of "Dreams" and "Audacity" and I'm aware that many of the quotes taken from his books allegedly reflect his thinking at a previous time, but supposedly not at the time he published them and definitely not now.
I understand that using them out of their proper context might be considered akin to taking McCain's comments about Iraq and saying he wants to see US troops fighting another 100 years there.
I would disagree. I would never stoop to Obama's level. The difference is that Obama continued to attend a church for 20 years that propagated this mindset that he speaks of as being in the past in his books. If he held this belief 15 years before the book, but not after, why did he seek out a church and spiritual leader who taught those harmful attitudes and worse? A church where even the visiting white pastor hates white people?
Why does the greatest sermon he ever heard (and named his book after) teach that "white folk's greed runs a world in need?" Why did he allow his kids to grow up in an environment that taught the same harmful lessons that Barack says were wrong?
I'm not buying it, so I will use his quotes in their original context, as I believe his actions over the past 20 years show that he still believes them to be true.
I believe Obama is a racist. If I'm right, and enough people agree with me, we avoid having a guy who hates whitey in office.
Perhaps I'm wrong. If enough people join me in being wrong, Obama won't be able to ruin our healthcare system, lose the war, raise my taxes and increase the spread of socialism in America.
I fail to see the downside.
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| | | 7 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 37838313
Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 15:22
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so I will use his quotes in their original context, as I believe his actions over the past 20 years show that he still believes them to be true.
It's unfortunate that you prefer to present a dishonest interpretation of his words rather than the context they were written in. there would be nothing wrong to present the correct context and then explain your case that he still thinks this way. But instead you have chosen to misrepresent the work and deliberately mislead readers of your blog into thinking that he wrote those excerpts to explain his thinking at the time.
Sadly, such dishonesty is the state of much of the anti-Obama criticism on rightist blogs out there. Its unfortunate that you forego an opportunity to buck that trend in favor of perpetuating the partisan bloodlust that continues to pull at the country's seams.
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| | | 8 | Mattinglyinthehall
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Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 15:27
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Perhaps I'm wrong. If enough people join me in being wrong... I fail to see the downside.
Of course you have every right to give truth and honesty as low priority on your blog as you wish. Machiavelli would be proud.
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| | | 9 | azdbacker
ID: 65401412
Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 15:29
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That's a good point, MITH. I think I've been gone too long, because I'm ignoring my rule about never conceding any point to you.
Should I ever quote those words again, I will explain it as I just did. I think I make a stronger case against him with the explanation I just provided than the quote by itself does.
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| | | 10 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 37838313
Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 15:31
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Don't you think an update to that entry with such an explanation is in order?
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| | | 11 | azdbacker
ID: 65401412
Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 15:41
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I'm pretty sure you're the only person who's ever read it. But I added our conversation to the post.
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| | | 12 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 37838313
Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 15:44
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Thanks, AZD. I disagree with you on the notion (that Obama is a racist) but I think you managed the entry apropriately.
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| | | 13 | Boldwin
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Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 17:22
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Some powerfully argued points, Azdbacker. Please tell me you have the time and commitment to post here regularly.
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| | | 14 | azdbacker
ID: 65401412
Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 17:36
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Time is always a problem, but I hope to be here a lot more than I have been since I went back to college.
You used to be Baldwin, right? Or is that someone else?
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| | | 15 | Boldwin
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Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 17:57
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Yeah, this is my name in self-imposed semi-retirement from this board.
They desperately need conservative long-timers from the Rotoguru community seeing as how the liberal trolls egregiously abuse any conservative who doesn't already have a relationship with the locals.
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