Forum: pol
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Subject: Inclusiveness


  Posted by: Baldwin - [201045320] Mon, Nov 03, 2008, 22:02

What is it good for? Absolutely nothin.

Stalin was inclusive. His opponents got to be included in building the worker's paradise for a couple years or so while they were worked to death in Siberia building railroads and mining.

Michelle reveals some of the flavor of Obama's inclusiveness...
And Barack Obama will require you to work.

He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism, that you put down your division, that you come

out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones, that you push yourselves to be

better, and that you engage.

Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual - uninvolved, uninformed...
Just what have his associates had to say about the subject in the past?
the testimony of FBI informant Larry Grathwohl in the 1982 documentary No Place to Hide. -

I asked, "well what is going to happen to those people we can't reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?" and the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated.
And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers.

And when I say "eliminate," I mean "kill."

Twenty-five million people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

And they were dead serious.
Ayers and Dohrn in their own words...

Why? Because what people say matters. Especially people who are as serious as a heart attack about hardcore marxism. They don't come any more hardcore than Bill Ayers and Obama is his creation.
 
1sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Nov 03, 2008, 22:26
right Baldwin, and in 1974 I said I was Lutheran, ALC. I'm not anymore. Possible that Ayers isnt communist anymore either?
 
2bibA
ID: 421039315
Mon, Nov 03, 2008, 22:32
So Boldwin- How do you foresee Obama going about killing 25 million of his enemies? Have the cops just shoot them? Put them in camps to be gassed and disappear? Starve em in the desert somewhere? How long do you think he will take? By the next elections in order to maintain a Democrat majority? Do you actually believe that he would be satisfied with a lousy 25 million?

I bet you believe that he would personally want to take part in a few hundered thousand of these assassinations, he being such a sadistic bastard...
 
3Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Mon, Nov 03, 2008, 22:35
Possible that Ayers isnt communist anymore either? LOL
 
4sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Mon, Nov 03, 2008, 22:40
Socialism, as an ideology, really isnt bad. Its the putting into practice thats the hard part. Human nature (greed) enters into it, and the ideal of dividing the pie gets twisted into a practice of keeping the pie for themselves. In all honesty, not unlike capitalism in its purest and largely unregulated form.

Besides, this is still, in spite of shrubs best effort, a free nation where people are free to believe in a different ideal if they choose. Is it not?
 
5Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Tue, Nov 04, 2008, 03:35
Besides, this is still, in spite of shrubs best effort, a free nation where people are free to believe in a different ideal if they choose. Is it not? - Sarge

Hopefully not famous last words.

 
6walk
ID: 139332920
Tue, Nov 04, 2008, 05:42
So. Really. Do you seriously feel that this is what is going to happen? Truly, serious now. What do you really think Obama would do as president, based on your concerns about his associations?
 
7Perm Dude
ID: 161040312
Tue, Nov 04, 2008, 06:48
Bill Ayers and Obama is his creation.

Nonsense. In the soup of Chicago machine politics, virtually no one is the creation of anyone else, but you can point to at least a dozen people who influenced Obama more (and a hundred who influence him now).

This is a preview of the far Right during an Obama Administration: Anything bad is a result of bad people Obama wants to hide from us. Anything good is a result of Obama capitulating to Republicans on the point. Like Clinton against Bush, they simply cannot accept that they lost at the ballot box--they have to pin the loss on something at work behind the scenes.

You can smell their fear.
 
8biliruben
Leader
ID: 589301110
Tue, Nov 04, 2008, 08:41
For the right, this election was all about fear. Probably most elections.
 
9Tree
ID: 121035316
Tue, Nov 04, 2008, 09:38
Baldwin - Inclusiveness

What is it good for? Absolutely nothin.


this comes as no surprise, considering your disdain for homosexuals, jews, muslims, blacks, non-Americans, and really, most of the world.

Walk, to Baldwin - So. Really. Do you seriously feel that this is what is going to happen? Truly, serious now.

are you really going to keep making me trot these out:



of course he believe it.
 
10walk
ID: 181472714
Tue, Nov 04, 2008, 10:08
Tree, stop making me laugh, man.
 
11C1-NRB
ID: 588421510
Tue, Nov 04, 2008, 10:47
The look on that cat's face says it all.

"Of all the people in the world I could've been associated with, this is where I end up? I bet this is on the internet before the top of the hour and once it's out there, you can't get it back. My friends are gonna see it; I'll never be able to show my face in public again. Some one get me the number for the Humane Society. I hear they'll put me out of this misery for free."
 
12Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 20:20
For now, we have a new president-elect. In the spirit of reaching across the aisle, we owe it to the Democrats to show their president the exact same kind of respect and loyalty that they have shown our recent Republican president. - Ann Coulter

 
13Perm Dude
ID: 391059512
Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 20:21
You are in no position to demand anything anymore, Baldwin/Coulter.
 
14walk
ID: 139332920
Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 20:41
Right, as if. I mean, if Obama makes the same idiotic mistakes as Bush, then fine...what, you and your other whackoff doll think that Bush was given undeserved disrespect? He earned that. Stupid wars fought wrong, messing around with the constitution and habeus corpus rights, alienating allies, soaring national debt, katrina, gitmo, rendition, exec orders, warrantless wiretapping, lack of regulation contributing to the financial crisis, etc... This deserves respect? I should also respect the cincinnati bengals?

Do a poor job --> get no respect. Like any other job.
 
15Razor
ID: 141049220
Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 21:39
Didn't the GOP try this already? Railing against a popular Democratic President in the 1990's? Lot of good that did them.

I am not going to tell Republicans how to act, but I don't think trying to go to war against a newly elected President when they are in the minority in both houses is going to get them anywhere.
 
16sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 21:47
The top 6 Presidents of the 20th century, in terms of GDP growth, were all Democrats.

The only year of the Presidents terms, in which the Republicans generated more GDP growth than the Democrats, is the 1st year of their terms. In the 2nd year onward, Democrats GDP growth exceeds Republicans.

The top 7 spots in terms of employment growth, were all Democrats.

6 of the top 7 spots, in terms of declining unemployment, were Democrats. (Reagan slips in at the nr 3 position, behind Roosevelt and Clinton).

In terms of inflation, their is a slight trend toward inflation under Dems and deflation under Republicans, but not a huge disparity either way.


8 Presidents, pr4sided over a span of years wherein the Fiscal policy trended toward surplus. 7 of those 8, were Democrats and only Eisenhower as a republican joins them.

3 of the top 4 spots in terms of stock market growth, were democrats with Clinton in the nr1 spot.

4 of the top 5 bond growth terms, were Republican. With Clinton the only Dem joining them. IOW, ONLY under President Clinton, did both Stocks AND Bonds, do well.

Inequality amongst the population, shows clear trends of growing under Republicans and declining under Democrats.


The Liscio report


So, you want inclusiveness? Then elect a Democrat.
You want prosperity? Then elect a Democrat.
You want to create the "haves" and the "have nots"? Then elect a Republican.
 
17sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 22:19
IMHO, the money quote form the above link:

In the book mentioned above, political scientist Larry Bartels looks at personal income growth at various points in the distribution, and finds that under Republican administrations, growth is strongest at the 80th percentile and above; under Democrats, it’s pretty equal across the distribution. Bartels, by the way, says he undertook his research as a totally nonpartisan, objective political scientist of a quantitative bent, and had absolutely no preconception about where his research would take him.



{emphasis added}
 
18Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 23:08
#13 PD

Whatever are you going on about? What demands?
 
19Tree
ID: 51011420
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 00:38
#18 - your masturbatory goddess Coulter being her normal c*nty self.

it's no wonder you stroke it to her every word - you are two bitter, annoying, clueless peas in a pod, who have ZERO interest in improving this country, and instead, just want to bitch, moan, complain, and generally, well, be c*nts.
 
20Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 04:12
Just how marxist?
, "It was into my father's image .. that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself." And also that, "I did feel that there was something to prove .. to my father" in his efforts at political organizing. (p. 230) - Obama, Dreams From My Father
Ok, just how marxist were the dreams of the father that Obama was trying to live up to? The "attributes he was packing into himself"?
A first hint comes from authors E. S. Atieno Odhiambo and David William Cohen in their book The Risks of Knowledge [something people here cringe from like vampires from running water -B] (Ohio U. Press, 2004). On page 182 of their book they describe how Barack Obama's father, a Harvard trained economist, attacked the economic proposals of pro-Western 'third way" leader Tom Mboya from the socialist left, siding with communist-allied leader Oginga Odinga, in a paper Barack Obama's father wrote for the East Africa Journal. As Odhiambo and Cohen write, "The debates [over economic policy] pitted .. Mboya against .. Oginga Odinga [father of current Obama protege Raila Odinga] and radical economists Dharam Ghai and Barrack Obama [Sr -B], who critiqued the document for being neither African nor socialist enough."
So let's now refer to Obama Sr.'s paper that caused him to be crushed by the socialist ruler of Kenya that Obama Sr. was advising...
The author is given as "Barak H. Obama" and his paper is titled "Problems Facing Our Socialism", published July, 1965 in the East African Journal, pp. 26-33.

Obama stakes out the following positions in his attacks on the white paper produced by Mboya's Ministry of Economic Planning and Development:

1. Obama advocated the communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land, as part of a forced "development plan", an important element of his attack on the government's advocacy of private ownership, land titles, and property registration. (p. 29)

2. Obama advocated the nationalization of "European" and "Asian" owned enterprises, including hotels, with the control of these operations handed over to the "indigenous" black population. (pp. 32 -33)

3. Obama advocated dramatically increasing taxation on "the rich" even up to the 100% level, arguing that, "there is no limit to taxation if the benefits derived from public services by society measure up to the cost in taxation which they have to pay" (p. 30) and that, "Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed." (p. 31)

4. Obama contrasts the ill-defined and weak-tea notion of "African Socialism" negatively with the well-defined ideology of "scientific socialism", i.e. communism. Obama views "African Socialism" pioneers like Nkrumah, Nyerere, and Toure as having diverted only "a little" from the capitalist system. (p. 26)

5. Obama advocates an "active" rather than a "passive" program to achieve a classless society through the removal of economic disparities between black Africans and Asian and Europeans. (p. 28) "While we welcome the idea of a prevention [of class problems], we should try to cure what has slipped in .. we .. need to eliminate power structures that have been built through excessive accumulation so that not only a few individuals shall control a vast magnitude of resources as is the case now .. so long as we maintain free enterprise one cannot deny that some will accumulate more than others .. " (pp. 29-30)

6. Obama advocates price controls on hotels and the tourist industry, so that the middle class and not only the rich can afford to come to Kenya as tourists. (p. 33)

7. Obama advocates government owned and operated "model farms" as a means of teaching modern farming techniques to farmers. (p. 33)

8. Obama strongly supports the governments assertion of a "non-aligned" status in the contest between Western nations and communist nations aligned with the Soviet Union and China. (p. 26)

So what does all this tell us about Barack Obama, the father, and how does it help us fill in the gaps and decipher Barack Obama's Dreams From My Father? We know from Obama's memoir that his father is an "uncompromising" man whose ideals and principles gets him in trouble with the "big man" who ran Kenya, Jomo Kenyatta, leading to a dramatic scene in which Kenyatta personally confronts Obama the father and in one fell swoop destroys not only his government career but ultimately his life.
Uncompromising hardcore anti-west Harvard educated Obama Sr. was driven from and blackballed from gainfull employment and dies a drunken womanizer in a carwreck, all because Kenya socialism refused to become more marxist.

It is this [once lost] cause that Obama Jr. takes up as his own over the course of his life and as recently as the 2007 Kenya presidential race where Obama raised very nearly a million dollars to advance Raila Odinga...



No he wasn't just by accident that Obama got shanghaied into posing for Raila while coincidentally on a tourist vist. It was the continuation of a lifelong multi-generational Communist with-a-big-C struggle.
 
21walk
ID: 139332920
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 05:05
What is your point?
 
22Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 05:35
What is your point? - Walk

The post begins, Just how marxist?

What is your problem comprehending?
 
23sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 08:25
innuendo, allusions, no evidance. Yet recently you tried to take me to task, for subliminally suggesting a tie between Reps and NAMBLA. Baldy...you're completely off your rocker dude. Gone....pfffffft...absent of mental acuity. Lost, wayward...pick your term.
 
24Perm Dude
ID: 56105866
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 08:47
It is this [once lost] cause that Obama Jr. takes up as his own over the course of his life and as recently as the 2007 Kenya presidential race where Obama raised very nearly a million dollars to advance Raila Odinga

More lies. The truth will set you free.

Corsi's book (which you seem to have taken to heart) has been thoroughly debunked here in the real world, which you are welcome to join at any time. It is all based upon a fake fax, which you have swallowed hook, line, and sinker like the naive small-minded wingnut you've become.

Does the truth not matter to you anymore, Baldwin? Seriously.
 
25Mith
ID: 148402816
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 09:32
2007 Kenya presidential race where Obama raised very nearly a million dollars to advance Raila Odinga

I can only imagine the ridiculous evidence you rely on to shamelessly support that claim.

Lets see it.
 
26Seattle Zen
ID: 358591721
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 10:17
Back in 1964, a group of youths took Baldwin snipe hunting...

He snagged the biggest snipe there was and has been the snipe hunting champion ever since. Just take at that beauty there in post 20. That's quite a snipe.
 
27Perm Dude
ID: 56105866
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 10:21
Uncompromising hardcore anti-west Harvard educated Obama Sr. was driven from and blackballed from gainfull employment and dies a drunken womanizer in a carwreck, all because Kenya socialism refused to become more marxist.

A classic! All the winger talking points.
 
28sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 10:35
Sooooooooooo, according to Baldwin, had socialist Kenya (didnt know Kenya was an overtly socialist place to begin with, but lets stipulate that for entertainment purposes) become more Marxist....Obama Sr would not have:

1) become a drunk
2) become a womanizer
3) died in a car wreck
4) all of the above

I mean, that IS the meaning of the *ahem* commentary; "...all because Kenya socialism refused to become more marxist.", is it not?
 
29Tree
ID: 121035316
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 10:51
i think we should all kiss baldwin. at this point, my day wouldn't be complete without the litany of silliness coming from him.

besides, i'd like to see how he'd react to being kissed by a bunch of men. i'd put the odds at no worse than 2-to-1 that he'd get wood.
 
30Perm Dude
ID: 56105866
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 10:52
So to speak.
 
31walk
ID: 181472714
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 11:11
Exactly, now it's clear what his point is. Shameful.

Dude, why don't you just WAIT for decisions to be made under his governance, consequences to happen, and then rely on evaluations of his performance...?

Just how fascist is Bush/Cheney? We can talk about that based on 8 years of governing. However, I am ready to move on. Yet, we don't have an Obama presidency yet. Come next year, there'll be some real data for you to use, as oppoosed to your witch hunt.
 
32Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 12:28
2007 Kenya presidential race where Obama raised very nearly a million dollars to advance Raila Odinga

I can only imagine the ridiculous evidence you rely on to shamelessly support that claim.

Lets see it
- MITH

Here
 
33sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 12:37
Your proof was debunked here and in other links provided by PD above.

Linking to an already debunked allegation, does not constitute proof of said allegation. What it DOES constitute proof of, is your inability to admit that you have no logical basis for your contentions, and thus nothing to say worth hearing.
 
34Perm Dude
ID: 56105866
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 12:37
WND. Of course.

I think was talking about real evidence. Not made up shiite.
 
35Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 12:41
What's really amusing is that you can look at the family history between the Obama family and the Odinga family and look at the picture of Obama campaigning for Raila Odinga and with a straight face that there's no there there.
 
36Perm Dude
ID: 56105866
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 12:42
What's amusing is that you are so naive, yet post as though the rest of the world outside your bubble doesn't get it.

How can you even type with both index fingers in your ears? The truth doesn't matter to you, does it? Is such an attitude sanctioned by your god?
 
37Tree
ID: 121035316
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 12:45
and what's even more amusing is the level of ignorance you're choosing to live your life with.

Baldwin: here's a fact.
someone else: here's the debunking of that "fact".

Baldwin: here's another fact.
someone else: that's the same fact you presented before, that was already debunked.

Baldwin: did you guys notice that Obama is black? yea, i bet you did, because i did too. did you know people in Kenya are also black?
someone else: and your point is?

Baldwin, in choose-your-own-adventure mode:
Response a: i've got to go door-to-door, excuse me.
Response b: i've got to play World of Warcraft, excuse me.
Response c: Hey - look at the sky! i bet man travels to the moon one day! that would be nifty!
 
38Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 12:45
And for the record Media Matters hasn't got a shred of credibility. How can you possibly tell me I should give more credibility to Hillary's creation, than you give WND?
 
39Mith
ID: 148402816
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 13:10
HAHAHA! You certainly don't disappoint!

Among the 72 individuals and organizations that contributed money to Odinga's 2007 presidential run in Kenya, Shabbir lists "Friends of Senator B.O." as having donated 66,000,000 Kenyan schillings, about $950,000.

I guess Odinga didn't use Obama's real name to as to protect him!

Seriously, B, thank you. I firmly believe the broad purveyance of exactly this type of absurd hate-propaganda disuaded many voters from supporting the American political right. By all means, continue to present your self as a characature.
 
40Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 13:18
Man, you Obamamaniacs are gonna go down easy. Sheep to the slaughter.
 
41sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 13:20
with such disdain for all things not far right of center Badlwin; please address posts 16 and 17.
 
42boikin
ID: 532592112
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 13:42
In the book mentioned above, political scientist Larry Bartels looks at personal income growth at various points in the distribution, and finds that under Republican administrations, growth is strongest at the 80th percentile and above; under Democrats, it’s pretty equal across the distribution. Bartels, by the way, says he undertook his research as a totally nonpartisan, objective political scientist of a quantitative bent, and had absolutely no preconception about where his research would take him.

this means nothing with out reference if everyones income grows at 1% then yes it is more equal but is it better than 5% and 10%?

The only year of the Presidents terms, in which the Republicans generated more GDP growth than the Democrats, is the 1st year of their terms. In the 2nd year onward, Democrats GDP growth exceeds Republicans. with out adjusting for inflation this is meaningless stat.

3 of the top 4 spots in terms of stock market growth, were democrats with Clinton in the nr1 spot. this just shows that presidents have little power over the economy as we all know what happened when .com bust happened in 2000...

The only year of the Presidents terms, in which the Republicans generated more GDP growth than the Democrats, is the 1st year of their terms. In the 2nd year onward, Democrats GDP growth exceeds Republicans. go reread the link they are also greater in the 4th year.
 
43sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 13:45
...growth is strongest at the 80th percentile and above...

The rich get richer. The divide between the economic classes, widens under a Rep Administration. It narrows under a Democratic one.
 
44boikin
ID: 532592112
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 13:51
so what you are saying is that if everyone gets income grows at 1% that is better than if poor 80th% gets only 5% better and while the higher gets 10% better? without a reference to magnitude of growth it is kind of meaningless.
 
45Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 13:56
Sarge

Are you aware that there is such a thing as 'the business cycle' that does not coincide with the cycle of presidential terms? Are you aware of the fact that the House of Representatives controls the purse strings and that the president has almost no control of the economy outside of jawboning and setting an optimistic tone for the country? Are you aware that there is such a thing as lagtime?

Those posts and that research is less valuable than toilet paper.

Now there are some important indirect levers. Appointment of the chairman of the FED [and he is largely independent of presidential control], the veto power, etc. but those are not used in the same way by every president and along with the other factors I mentioned will play havok with any attempt to make a graph proving what you are trying to prove.

Show me a graph that takes into account which party has the speaker of the house, how big of a majority the majority party has, whether the majority party controls both sides of congress, whether the president is of the same party, whether the president excersizes the veto power much, where in the business cycle the president's term happens to fall, then I'll start taking your graphs seriously.
 
46sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 14:00
if the business cycle doesn not correpsond, then why is there such consistent correlation of the same indicators/results? Coincidence? Repeatedly? Spanning 70 years?
 
47Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 14:01
Sarge

Under marxism the richest thug in the nomentclatura is barely middle class rich by free market standards and the rest of society is starving and eating food barely fit for the hoglot feed trough.

The poor in this country are overweight and watching tv instead of looking for a job. I'd take the inequity in wealth more seriously if those facts didn't obtain. I don't like the power elite anymore than you do but look at the objective facts man.
 
48Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 14:03
Sarge

You also make the typical mistake of believing wealth is a zero sum game.
 
49Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 14:05
And I don't disagree that the rich get richer. I just would ask you to put yourself in the shoes of the average Cuban hunting for a rat for this month's protein and tell him about that graph.
 
50sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 14:12
The poor in this country are overweight and watching tv instead of looking for a job.

No fat rich bstrds huh?

Typical, stereo-typical BS.
 
51Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 14:55
Class warfare benefits anyone but socialist politicians. More BS.

Ask the Cubans risking their lives in the water between here and Cuba.
 
52Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 14:56
How many years until there is nowhere for them to flee?
 
53Tree
ID: 121035316
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 14:57
Man, you Obamamaniacs are gonna go down easy. Sheep to the slaughter.

lol. another funny from you. i read somewhere that when it comes to going down and sheep, you've got the market cornered.

i can't cite a source, and even though it said "great-aunt of someone who couldn't possibly be named Baldwin", that's close enough for me to make it true.

nice to know that your measuring stick of truth is smaller than the edge of a razor blade.

truth isn't of issue to you. it never has been, and it never will be.
 
54DWetzel at work
ID: 49962710
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 15:40
"The poor in this country are overweight and watching tv instead of looking for a job.

*boggle*

Allow me to quote from the no doubt left-wing US Department of Labor October report (located at http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm)

Persons Not in the Labor Force (Household Survey Data)

About 1.6 million persons (not seasonally adjusted) were marginally attached to the labor force in September, 336,000 more than 12 months
earlier. These individuals wanted and were available for work and had looked for a job sometime in the prior 12 months. They are not counted as unemployed because they had not searched for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey. Among the marginally attached, there were 467,000 discouraged workers in September; the number of discouraged workers has increased by 191,000 from a year earlier. Discouraged workers are persons not currently looking for work specifically because they believe no jobs are available for them. The other 1.1 million persons marginally attached to the labor force in September had not searched for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey for reasons such as school attendance or family responsibilities. (See table A-13.)



In other words, that group of people (which is not even counted among the rising unemployment statistics) HAS looked for work, and have found that there are no jobs available to them.
 
55Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 15:44
Yes I realize finding a job, especially today, isn't as easy as falling off a log. Nevertheless the poor around the world are dying to emigrate to the land where the poor are fat.

Literally.

Not worth the risk after Obama gets done.
 
56DWetzel at work
ID: 49962710
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 15:50
Will you have the class to make an azdbacker type apology when you turn out to be completely off-the-deep-end wrong?
 
57walk
ID: 181472714
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 15:55
NYT, Collins: Good Vibes (for almost everyone)
 
58Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 16:16
This one is a must in it's entirety. Don't count on pendulum swings this time.
Streetcar Line
Saul Alinsky Takes the White House
By Quin Hillyer on 11.6.08 @ 6:09AM

Conservatives may not realize just how difficult it might be to recover from this week's elections.

The day after the big defeat, the conservative chatter everywhere was about how the "movement" and the Republican Party (two different things) could finally unshackle themselves from the bad old habits that brought them down, and about how the ability to draw a sharp contrast with the Obama/Pelosi/Reid triumvirate would allow us to focus attention, rally the faithful, and re-storm the castle in 2010 and 2012.

Fat chance.

Too many conservatives think we've seen all this before -- in 1964 and 1974 and 1992 -- and that we know how to handle it. Fly, meet ointment: We're not dealing with the same sorts of opponents. These New Alinskyites who are taking over the White House, combined with the most leftist congressional leadership in memory, will not let us play by the same rules under which conservatives recovered from those earlier debacles. They will try to drastically tilt the playing field, seed our side of the field with land mines and, in short, rig the process to make it next to impossible for the political right, or Republicans, to recover. And they are likely to succeed in at least some of these designs.

It will begin with their efforts to secure a filibuster-proof majority of 60 senators (including the two independents). Right now the libs (and yes, all the Democratic senators, with the possible exception of Nebraska's Ben Nelson, are libs) have 56, with three Republican moderates and one conservative leading their races but awaiting recounts or runoffs. Watch for the Alinskyites to try stealing all four, and to succeed in at least two. We've seen this game before. They did it in Indiana's "Bloody Eighth" congressional district in 1984. They almost succeeded in 2000 in Florida. They did succeed, outrageously so, in the Washington State governor's race in 2004. Those are just the most obvious of many similar examples. And now they are even more ruthless, more lawyered-up, and in a more powerful position to pull it off than they were in any of those instances.

Next, watch what happens if they regularly can't peel off enough Republicans (or hold their own semi-fairminded people like Nelson and Joe Lieberman) to overcome whatever filibuster attempts Republicans do mount. Watch for an assault on the filibuster itself. Watch how they use as precedent the GOP "nuclear/constitutional option" on judges in 2005 -- except instead of just using it for judges, watch them use it against all filibusters. It's easy: Make the ruling from the chair that the filibuster is out of order for some reason. Instruct the parliamentarian to rule in their favor. Win the appeal of the parliamentarian's ruling by simple majority vote. And watch the courts pronounce it an internal matter of the legislative branch and thus outside of courtroom purview.

Watch a cheerleading establishment media -- the Fourth Estate as a veritable Fifth Column -- actually back these lefty maneuvers. It's all in the name of one-man/one-vote democracy, dontcha know? The filibuster once served its purpose, they'll say, but as a vestige of Southern "massive resistance" to integration it is now being used for massive resistance to the first black president, which invalidates it (suddenly) as a legitimate tool.

Watch the left use these tactics and others to pass even more liberalized voting laws -- an open invitation to even more fraud that is more creative, easier to hide, and less challengeable in court.

Watch what Michael Barone called the Obama "thugocracy" use the Justice Department to stifle dissent. Anybody who complains about vote fraud will be charged with "vote suppression." Anybody who complains about DoJ's actions will be charged with interfering with an investigation. Anybody who denies having interfered will be charged with perjury. Likewise, anybody who peacefully protests abortion clinics or the use of state-sponsored racial quotas will be charged with a civil rights violation. And the accused won't be able to look to the Supreme Court for help: Anthony Kennedy's "evolving standards" of justice will evolve to match the new zeitgeist, providing a 5-4 majority for the administration. Meanwhile, of course, Obama's other appointments will be filling up the rest of the judiciary at a rapid clip, with nobody able to stop them.

Other ways the Obama axis will tilt the playing field: "card check" legislation to eliminate secret ballots in unionizing and to force union victories in contract negotiations. Provision after provision giving favors to the trial bar so it can sue enemies into submission. Copious new regulations, especially environmental, to be used selectively to ensnare other conservative malcontents. Invasive IRS audits of conservative think tanks, other conservative 501 organizations, and PACs.

What Ohio officials did in rifling through so many of Joe Wurzelbacher's files will serve as ample precedent. (Just watch, by the way: Nobody ever will be effectively disciplined for the violation of Wurzelbacher's rights.)

And, only when the time is right and the ground (or air) has been well prepared, will come the grand-daddy of all fights, the re-enactment of the misnamed "Fairness Doctrine."

Oh, they'll be clever. They'll pick their spot. They'll wait until Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity or Mark Levin says something innocent they can twist out of context and call "hate speech" -- and then they'll highlight some schoolyard fight where a member of a "victim group" gets the worst of it as if the "attack" were caused by talk-rad…no, make that "hate radio," which will be the new moniker the Fifth Column/Fourth Estate hangs on the talkmeisters.

(Even before imposing the Fairness Doctrine, they'll use the Federal Communications Commission in other ways to put a muffler on their opponents.)

And, always, a few carefully calibrated street demonstrations, splashed with just the right headlines across the East Coast newspapers and captured by just the right camera angle on CBS News, will be used any time, on any issue, to make the point that civil unrest would be the price of resistance to the benevolent desires of the Obama regime.

The erosions of conservative rights will be incremental. Each one will have its own justification. Each one will be supported by the establishment media. Each one will be timed so as to allow the general public to become accustomed to it, to accept it as unremarkable, or even to come to regard it as a public good for the sake of keeping conservative "troublemakers" from fomenting disorder.

And the Obamessiah, still speaking frequently to stadia full of admirers, will provide a tone of reasoned moderation, combined with further appeals to hope, in order to justify it all.

These are the sorts of things Alinskyites do. These are the sorts of tactics used by ACORN, at whose conferences Obama himself regularly taught seminars on "power." These are the sorts of policies favored by the academic left, Obama's old milieu -- the policies that favor speech codes and stolen campus newspapers and the firing of faculty for "offensive" remarks.

Conservatives have fought things like this for years already, of course. But they've never fought it while the left controlled so many of the levers of power, and certainly not when the left was led by such a charismatic and near cult-inspiring leader who was so smart, so well steeped in these stratagems, and so fully supported by a Fourth Estate up whose legs warm feelings run every time he waxes eloquent.

It will take very focused, very intelligent, very skillful action by conservatives to stop this creeping subversion of a free society. This is a whole different political battlefield than any on which we've fought before. And we haven't yet found our Omar Bradley - Quin Hillyer writing in 'The American Spectator'
 
59Razor
ID: 141049220
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 16:23
I find it fascinating that you spend so much time doing research on stuff that not only has not happened but will never happen.
 
60Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 17:04
If only my religion didn't ban gambling.
 
61Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 17:08
How about this. At the end of Obama's reign I'll give you an apology for each of these tactics that aren't vigorously attempted, and you give me a heartfelt apology for each that is vigorously attempted.
 
62tree on the treo
ID: 361053417
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 17:58
interesting...that sounds like a wager to me...
 
63Perm Dude
ID: 56105866
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 18:03
It will begin with their efforts to secure a filibuster-proof majority of 60 senators (including the two independents).

How is this, exactly, to be measured? It sounds as if efforts to get 60 Democratic Senators is, on its own, a very bad thing.

List the tactics, Baldwin, so everyone is clear on the ground rules.
 
64Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 18:20
#57 will stand on it's own. Developments will either prove it precient or not.
 
65sarge33rd
ID: 99331714
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 18:22
and while you're at it....objectively define "vigorously attempt".
 
66Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 18:33
Well Chuck Schummer has already called for the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine since the election. To be fair lets say it actually has to be a full bore legislative attempt to drive right wing radio off the air. Reinstituting the 'misnamed Fairness Doctrine' is all it will take.

I expect to need Sirius or XM just to hear Rush sometime before Obama leaves office.
 
67DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 19:13
"How about this. At the end of Obama's reign I'll give you an apology for each of these tactics that aren't vigorously attempted, and you give me a heartfelt apology for each that is vigorously attempted."

Not good enough. You said they would HAPPEN.

Or are you backsliding already?
 
68Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 22:29
Look, I can't tell you Obama won't back down when facing a full blown conservative firestorm of protest. Theoretically he actually takes protests seriously.

What I do know is that the Dems with all three branches of government and very nearly a filibuster proof senate, posibly even a government paid army of radical protesters rivalling the size of the newly reduced US Armed forces, a MSM prostrate at Obama's feet at his beck and call, is going to be next to impossible to stop from doing these things that they will for sure attempt.
 
69Tree
ID: 51011420
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 23:46
a government paid army of radical protesters rivalling the size of the newly reduced US Armed forces

lol...what?? you truly are insane...
 
70Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 04:30
In his own words...
"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," he said Wednesday. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
His actual plan is to expand Americorp into his own Acorn army fully funded by the government and as large or larger than the army.

That does not make america safer.

In fact if a republican suggested his own domestic army bigger than the military the media would rightly be 'up in arms'.

Investors should look at brown shirt futures.
 
71Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 04:36
He expects to have 250,000 slots in Americorp soon which he can add to his 350,000 Acorn rent-a-mob.

He knows how to use 600,000 protesters to create a scene the media will call a genuine irresistible outburst of public opinion.
 
72Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 04:38
Right now the media can find just the right camera angles to make 100 Acorn protesters into a 1000.
 
73Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 04:46
You could always search it.
 
74Perm Dude
ID: 35103878
Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 09:43
What a Chicken Little. How puny your life has become. You have to invent future troubles to complain about. Aren't there enough troubles in this country, real ones, for you to borrow trouble?

Why not just stay on the other sites you visit? Obviously you'll find a more comfortable experience there.
 
75Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 11:06
I swear if not for me this place would be like a gaggle of teenage girls giggling over the latest teen idol.
 
76walk
ID: 181472714
Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 11:16
Baldwin. The favorable attitudes some of us have towards Obama (and I am definitely one) are not nearly of the magnitude of your, as PD puts it, "chicken little" rants. We are not equally and exhaustively detailing potential hypothetical heavenly scenarios that are the opposite your hell-on-earth nostradamus like predictions. As PD said, can you not either focus on stuff that needs to be fixed asking perhaps about the viability of Obmam's plans or the feasibility given (the damage that has already been done) the current state of dissaray our armed forces and economy is in? -- instead of showing us your crystal boom of certain doom and destruction based on very questionable assertions and plain ol, fear. It would be so much more...intellectual.
 
77DWetzel at work
ID: 49962710
Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 11:24
What must really irk Boldwin most is that America would rather have a marxist, elitist, socialist, terrorist, America-hating, religious-kook-associating, Messianic figurehead of evil ahead of anything that his side could come up with, based on the evidence of the last eight years.

This is what happens when you declare people (who might otherwise agree with some of what you have to say) must either be with you or against you, must either fall in lockstep with your every idea or be declared "godless" and "traitors". Most of the sane ones throw up their hands, say "OK", and then begin to beat you senseless.

I know. I'm one of them.
 
78Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 17:48
We were once buddies?

I did not know that.
 
79DWetzel at work
ID: 49962710
Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 17:56
No, your primary focus is on what I consider the, as someone eloquently put it, "batshit-crazy" wing of the right.

If conservatives actually believed that smaller government was a good idea when it came to things like people's doctor's offices, bedrooms, their right to do things in their own homes (ranging from things like medicinal marijuana use to Internet gambling) as much as they say those things matter to them in other areas, AND were willing to act in a fiscally responsible manner when given the pursestrings (see my thread today) instead of acting like a crazed teenager who just got Mommy's credit card for the weekend as they have in the past, you'd find me in much more agreement with those conservatives.

But if the choice is between someone who will tax me, and use that money for programs that at least ATTEMPT to better people's lives, and otherwise stay out of my way; or between people who are going to ring up charges WITHOUT paying for them (even though I know we'll have to pay for them eventually) on programs I like less, while pushing their way into people's lives in a manner that I find generally disagreeable--what the heck am I supposed to choose?
 
80Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 01:53
There have been precious few real principled conservatives in office. The system does not nominate or fund them. Maybe with the internet, but with Saul Alinsky in the WH it's prolly too late now.
 
81Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 05:10
What is wrong with Philidelphia anyway? First they make it illegal to protest abortion, now T-shirts are illegal.

Time to move the liberty bell out of that undeserving city.
 
82Wilmer McLean
ID: 541019711
Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 05:44
Didn't know where to put this video.

But, something upon which Tree, Sarge, PD and Baldwin can agree - this teacher does not belong in a classroom.

The expression on the girl's face is priceless and moving.

 
83Perm Dude
ID: 171049717
Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 16:51
Where's that from?
 
84sarge33rd
ID: 76442923
Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 21:40
Her rhetoric after the classroom, does not match with her conduct in the classroom. You're right Wilmer, I do agree that she doesnt belong where she is.
 
85walk
ID: 139332920
Sun, Nov 09, 2008, 07:54
#77. Cha-ching!
 
86Perm Dude
SuperDude
ID: 030792616
Sun, Nov 09, 2008, 10:35
More on that video in #82--Superintendent is investigating

Looks like she's playing the victim card.

One of the ironies here is that Barack Obama simply wouldn't stand for this kind of thing. It is one of the reasons racists black leaders like Jesse Jackson can't stand him. He's been against the kind of victimology that keeps Jackson, Sharpton, et al in power in their community for decades, while keeping that community down.
 
87Tree
ID: 121035316
Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 09:43
was finally able to watch this video. wouldn't load up on my old rickety lap top i've been using at the girlfriend's place.

while i think it's perfectly ok for her to teach politics - and she should - she needed to keep her personal opinions out of it. she especially needed to be VERY careful to not make a child feel bad about his or her choices, and she failed miserably at both attempts.

does that mean she's a bad teacher? no. but she certainly engaged in inappropriate classroom behaviour, and while something like termination is far too strong of an action, she certainly should be punished in some fashion, ranging from a reprimand and a probationary period to some sort of coursework on how to deal with these sort of issues better.

 
88Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 13:56
I'm more angry at the teaching colleges that insist you be radically Dem before they'll graduate you.
 
89Tree
ID: 121035316
Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 15:43
I'm more angry at the teaching colleges that insist you be radically Dem before they'll graduate you.

please provide a link to a legitimate, accredited college that requires you to register as a Dem, much less be a radical one, before they'll graduate you.

please link to the school, and where in their graduation requirements it says the potential graduate must be "radically Dem"...
 
90Perm Dude
ID: 4810261014
Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 15:48
You don't have to be radically Dem. You just have to accept that you are going to be poor if you choose teaching as a career. Two co-relational things, Baldwin.
 
91Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 18:11
Go back and read the links I posted to what Ayers is doing in education.
 
92Perm Dude
ID: 4810261014
Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 20:08
Yeah, crazy education man. Most of your links are fantastic projections. Social science fiction.
 
93Tree
ID: 51011420
Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 23:46
Go back and read the links I posted to what Ayers is doing in education. as usual, i've got nothing...

there. fixed that for ya...because your previous links didn't even remotely address my questions.
 
94Baldwin
ID: 201045320
Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 05:41
I can't do your reading for you all the time. Once I post it, it's up to you to read it. Don't ask me to locate the thread it was in and post it again. What assurance would I have that you would read it this time?
 
95Tree
ID: 121035316
Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 09:07
sorry Baldwin...your links didn't provide the requested information you claim existed.

i was specific, as were you.

you claimed: the teaching colleges that insist you be radically Dem before they'll graduate you.

i requested: please link to the school, and where in their graduation requirements it says the potential graduate must be "radically Dem"...

back it up, or shut it up, but don't claim you provided links to a specific request when you didn't.

(oh, i think this is the part where you call me a troll, because, well, you can't prove what you claim...again)
 
96Baldwin
ID: 351024115
Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 10:57
Just read post#14 or go to the link therein. You didn't read it the first time. Please do so this time.
 
97Tree
ID: 121035316
Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 12:39
read it the first time. again, it provides no links to any schools, or links to where on the school website it says you must "be radically Dem" before graduation.

i do like how the links within the article link to other articles from the same website, including one that leans dips into the racist urinal with its references to the "ghetto-born movement" of hip-hop, and it's factual inaccuracies about the early days of hip-hop music.

nice try there, but neither you, nor your link, answered my question.
 
98Baldwin
ID: 351024115
Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 15:08
I didn't say the colleges advertise 'you must be a democrat and we will turn you into a radical marxist'.

I said they refuse to let you graduate if you fail the radical checkpoints/mandatory PC thot indoctrination classes. If a Reaganite goes in there and openly writes his theme papers from his own viewpoint he will not be graduating from many colleges and thus will not be teaching anyone's children. How happy you must be.
 
99Perm Dude
ID: 3610181113
Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 15:20
Heh. You use "reagan" just like "Jesus Christ."
 
100Razor
      ID: 181051618
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 15:23
Why wouldn't he? In Boldwin's world, there's only good and evil.
 
101Tree
      ID: 121035316
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 15:24
semantics, Baldwin. i see no proof of anyone insisting anything, except for the dudes sending you signals to your tin foil hat.

If a Reaganite goes in there and openly writes his theme papers from his own viewpoint he will not be graduating from many colleges

a boldfaced lie. but, you've shown that lies are standard for you.

i've got plenty of conservative or right-leaning friends that college their college degrees just fine, and went to all manner of schools, from large state universities to small private religious schools.

and i don't know anyone who was denied their piece of paper because they leaned right, and i doubt you do either.
 
102bibA
      ID: 010421015
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 16:50
er, my daughter graduated from a Univ of Cal school last year, and she adamantly denies that she had to pass any "radical checkpoints/mandatory PC thot indoctrination classes" whatsoever. Further, a direct quote from her right wing boyfriend, who also graduated: "More money should be left in the hands of the upper financial classes, because those in the poorer classes just don't know how to handle their money anyway".

How did they fly under the radar you refer to Baldwin? Just two rare cases?

 
103Seattle Zen
      ID: 358591721
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 17:01
my daughter graduated from a Univ of Cal school last year

I'm guessing it wasn't UC Santa Cruz, snicker. Baldwin physically could not enter that campus, he would be repelled as sure as a magnet is to another magnet.
 
104Baldwin
      ID: 351024115
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 19:12
The whole point of the mandatory PC classs is certainly to make it difficult and uncomfortable to pass for a conservative and of course to pump out radicalized graduates.

People focussing full time on education report that some teacher's colleges have made it impossible to graduate as a history teaching major and a few of those specific colleges are mentioned in the link I provided.

I believe them. I've been watching incidents of PC insanity at colleges for too many years not to.
 
105bibA
      ID: 010421015
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 21:44
UC Santa Barbara, SZ.

So many of the students there lean right, that it makes one such as I realize what bs it is for someone to make the claims found here.

Incidents taken out of context to the overall experience in our universities do not define what is actually occurring on an everyday basis.

My daughter had professors who ran the gamut politically.
 
106bibA
      ID: 010421015
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 21:59
Re: Santa Cruz....LOL at what Zen said.....pretty true that.

But my gosh, what a beautiful campus.
 
107Tree
      ID: 51011420
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 00:00
still waiting for your links Baldwin. you mean after all this time of googling, you haven't been able to find anything???

not the least bit surprising...
 
108sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 00:15
from 104: I believe them.

Of course you do. They are echoing your own prejudices.
 
109Baldwin
      ID: 351024115
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 04:14
I'm not gonna let trolls like Sarge and Tree order my time around as a rule.

But some fun stuff I found.

History being taught is so bad they are actually coming out of college stupider than when they go in. So what exactly ARE they learning? There's a mystery...not.
At UC Berkeley, freshmen averaged 60 percent on the test, while seniors scored 55 percent. Stanford's numbers were slightly higher, with freshman averaging 62 percent, and seniors averaging 63 percent.

The study rated UC Berkeley second from last in a ranking it created that assigns a "learning rank" to schools based on students' scores. Berkeley was one of 16 universities, many of them among the most prestigious, that earned a "negative learning" rank because freshmen scored higher than seniors. UC Berkeley earned a negative 5.6, followed only by Johns Hopkins University, with a negative 7.3.

Nationally, seniors averaged 53 percent

on the test, while freshman averaged 52 percent.

The nonpartisan group that contracted the study, the Delaware- based Intercollegiate Studies Institute, said the results indicate that colleges aren't doing enough to teach their students about civics and the basic principles on which America was founded. The country faces a "crisis in citizenship" unless colleges rededicate themselves to instruction in the core principles, the group said.

"We were flabbergasted" by the results, said Josiah Bunting, who chairs the institute's National Civic Literacy Board. The study looked at campuses along the entire spectrum, he said, from the most elite -- such as Harvard and Princeton -- to liberal arts colleges and small religious schools.

"Almost all of these universities talk in their catalogs about a mission of educating people who will be citizens and citizen leaders," Bunting said. "That really was what prompted the study."

The institute contracted with the Department of Public Policy at the University of Connecticut to conduct the three-year study, which officials said is the largest scientifically valid survey ever conducted of student learning in history at colleges and universities.

Among the findings:

-53 percent of seniors could not identify the correct century when the first American colony was established at Jamestown.

-More than 75 percent of seniors could not identify that the purpose of the Monroe Doctrine was to prevent foreign expansion into the Western Hemisphere.

-Only 45 percent of seniors identified the Baath party as the main source of Saddam Hussein's political support.
Who would have guessed Berserkley would have nearly led in the race to make kids more stupid? */sarc

 
110Baldwin
      ID: 351024115
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 04:17
Source
 
111Baldwin
      ID: 351024115
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 04:51
and remember... it takes zero politically correct a------s to screw in a light bulb, because they are perpetually in the f-----g dark. - Dennis Miller
 
112Baldwin
      ID: 351024115
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 05:27
Stealing the senate seat for Franken.

1) There are no hanging chads to 'interpret' in Minnesota, at least not in the areas where Franken supporters are finding new votes for Franken. The ballots are spit right back at the voter if he refused to vote for the senate seat, so that they get a second chance to refuse to vote in that category, or to see their mistake if they really meant Franken.

2) It is statistical madness to believe that the only race where there is significant movement in one direction just happens to be the Coleman/Franken race.

3) Deciding close races by cherry-picking the most liberal districts in the state is getting old.

4) Acorn
 
113Baldwin
      ID: 361056125
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 08:01
From SZ's neck of the woods, big surprise...
Among other questions, the WSU form asks professors to evaluate whether a student exhibits an understanding of the complexities of race, power, gender, class, sexual orientation and privilege in American society.

Four times Swan's teachers failed him on this question. He was threatened with termination from the teacher-training program in August after teachers said they feared he could not withhold his opinions in a classroom. He was ordered to a training session with the Office of the Vice President for Equity and Diversity.

Swan described it as a "grilling session" that did not go well.

Melynda Huskey, who works in that office, declined to comment on Swan's case.

"We do quite a bit of diversity education," Huskey said.

Swan was also told to sign an agreement to respect community norms and appreciate diversity. He refused, and WSU withdrew it after receiving complaints from the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, which argued that it was an unconstitutional intrusion on Swan's freedom. - Seattle Times
If not for the intervention of a national organization monitoring this stuff this prospective teacher would have been expelled from the program.
 
114Baldwin
      ID: 361056125
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 08:24
And from Tree's neck of the woods, big surprise...
It is called dispositions theory, and it was set forth five years ago by the National Council for Accreditation of Teacher Education (NCATE): Future teachers should be judged by their "knowledge, skills, and dispositions."
What are "dispositions"? NCATE's prose made clear that they are the beliefs and attitudes that guide a teacher toward a moral stance. That sounds harmless enough, but it opened a door to reject teaching candidates on the basis of thoughts and beliefs. In 2002, NCATE said that an education school may require a commitment to social justice. William Damon, a professor of education at Stanford, wrote last month that education schools "have been given unbounded power over what candidates may think and do, what they may believe and value."

NCATE vehemently denies that it is imposing groupthink, but the ed schools, essentially a liberal monoculture, use dispositions theory to require support for diversity and a culturally left agenda, including opposition to what the schools sometimes call "institutional racism, classism and heterosexism."

Predictably, some students concluded that thought control would make classroom dissent dangerous. A few students rebelled when a teacher at Brooklyn College School of Education showed Michael Moore's movie "Fahrenheit 9/11" in class and dismissed "white English" as "the language of oppressors." Five students filed written complaints and received no formal reply from the college. One was told to leave the school and take an equivalent course at a community college. Two of the complaining students were then accused of plagiarism and marked down one letter grade. The two were refused permission to bring a witness, a tape recorder, or a lawyer to meet with a dean to discuss the matter.

K.C. Johnson, a history professor at the school who defended the dissenting students, became a target himself. After writing an article in Inside Higher Ed attacking dispositions theory as a form of mind control, Johnson faced a possible investigation by a faculty Integrity Committee.
So the bottom line is that not only are students at teaching colleges getting threatened with expulsion for not being a liberal, but more importantly teaching colleges are at risk of losing accreditation if they fail to discriminate against conservatives.

It's not called National Council for Accreditation of Teacher Education (NCATE) for nothing. And this is the council pushing 'disposition theory'.

Obviously the NCATE and it's 'disposition theory' tactic is not limited to notorious 'people's republics' like the liberal NW, Berserkley or NYC.
At the State University of New York at Oneonta, prospective teachers must “provide evidence of their understanding of social justice in teaching activities, journals, and portfolios. . . and identify social action as the most advanced level.”
  • The program at the University of Kansas expects students to be “more global than national and concerned with ideals such as world peace, social justice, respect for diversity and preservation of the environment.”
  • The University of Vermont’s department envisions creating “a more humane and just society, free from oppression, that fosters respect for ethnic and cultural diversity.”
  • Marquette’s program “has a commitment to social justice in schools and society,” producing teachers who will use the classroom “to transcend the negative effects of the dominant culture.”
  • According to the University of Toledo, “Education is our prime vehicle for creating the ‘just’ society,” since “we are preparing citizens to lead productive lives in a democratic society characterized by social justice.”

This rhetoric is admirable. Yet, as the hotly contested campaigns of 2000 and 2004 amply demonstrated, people of good faith disagree on the components of a “just society,” or what constitutes the “negative effects of the dominant culture,” or how best to achieve “world peace. . . and preservation of the environment.”

An intellectually diverse academic culture would ensure that these vague sentiments did not yield one-sided policy prescriptions for students. But the professoriate cannot dismiss its ideological and political imbalance as meaningless while simultaneously implementing initiatives based on a fundamentally partisan agenda.
 
115Baldwin
      ID: 361056125
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 08:35
And this isn't happening in a vacuum. If you want to be a social worker, conservatives need not apply.
The Council on Social Work Education, the national accreditor of social work education programs, says candidates must fight "oppression," and sees American society as pervaded by the "global interconnections of oppression." Now aspiring social workers must commit themselves, usually in writing, to a culturally left agenda, often including diversity programs, state-sponsored redistribution of income, and a readiness to combat heterosexism, ableism, and classism.
Busy little marxists, aren't they? Disposition theory suddenly blossoms all over. Thot police and kangaroo courts for everybody soon.
 
116Baldwin
      ID: 361056125
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 09:14
Aka, the march thru the institutions.
 
117Tree
      ID: 121035316
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 09:22
I'm not gonna let trolls like Sarge and Tree order my time around as a rule.

keep bringing the insults, and not providing the sources for your "claims", and the reality of who's a troll will be evident.

i did nothing but ask for source material. i didn't insult you or tell you to meet me in a parking lot so i could kick your ass. but i did ask for a source for your claim, pointing out that sooner or later you'd call me a troll.

thanks for obliging that prediction. you're easier than a 5 dollar whore.

meanwhile, you still fail to provide a link to even remotely back up the data asked for in regards to the lies you tell, and instead provide a link to the fact that college freshmen are struggling in history, something that is not exactly news, as we've seen declining rates in history testing in this nation for decades now.

Stealing the senate seat for Franken.

typical from you. you don't want honestly, you don't want truth, and you want to wipe the $hit from your ass with the laws and the US Constitution.

Minnesota law specifically calls for a re-count in an election that close. and because that re-count is leaning democrat, some crime must have been committed. never mind the fact that the presidential election went Democrat by the largest percentage since, well, the last Democrat was elected president, and never mind that Minnesota has gone Democrat for President every election from 1976 to the present, obviously, some crime must have been committed for a democrat to win.

Among other questions, the WSU form asks professors to evaluate whether a student exhibits an understanding of the complexities of race, power, gender, class, sexual orientation and privilege in American society.

i realize you'd rather have more people wallowing in ignorance, hate, xenophobia, and racism like you do, so thusly, having tolerant citizens in this nation, is, to you, a bad thing.

and since this guy wants to be a teacher, tolerance is even more important. this part stood out to me:
Four times Swan's teachers failed him on this question. He was threatened with termination from the teacher-training program in August after teachers said they feared he could not withhold his opinions in a classroom. He was ordered to a training session with the Office of the Vice President for Equity and Diversity.

meanwhile, in the video earlier in this thread that Wilmer linked to, we had a teacher also could not withhold her opinions in the classroom, and that's a problem. too bad she didn't have to undergo the scrutiny the guy in your link above had to.

And from Tree's neck of the woods, big surprise...

more your neck of the woods than mine, Mr. JW. i'm only glad New Yorkers are a more tolerant lot than you, because we're accepting of all.

K.C. Johnson, a history professor at the school who defended the dissenting students, became a target himself. After writing an article in Inside Higher Ed attacking dispositions theory as a form of mind control, Johnson faced a possible investigation by a faculty Integrity Committee.

i also like the poorly written article nearly obscures the fact the College investigated the case of KC Johnson, and very quickly exonerated him of any wrong doing.

anyway, you keep huffing and puffing, and sooner or later, you'll manage to blow some house down. it's cute, and it's endearing that you try so hard and fail so miserably, yet, like that little rubber tree ant, you don't give up.

kudos to you.
 
118Boxman
      ID: 337352111
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 09:27
more your neck of the woods than mine, Mr. JW.

Great show of tolerance Mr. Jew.
 
119Seward Norse
      ID: 297412913
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 10:20
Lots of strange things happening here in Minnesota. Ballots that were left in a car? Forgetting to call votes in? Hearing 406 instead of 506? Does sound kind of fishy to me, and I don't like either one of them(Franken or Coleman).
 
120Tree
      ID: 121035316
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 10:25
more your neck of the woods than mine, Mr. JW.

Great show of tolerance Mr. Jew.


absolutely nothing intolerant about it. the home base for the JWs is in Brooklyn. that's all. Baldwin has more roots in Brooklyn than i do.
 
121Perm Dude
      ID: 181014128
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 10:42
Baldwin, are you aware of any conservatives who have been blocked from advancement in the field of social work because of what the CSWE advocates? Any at all?

You realize that the goal of social work is to advance social justice, yes? I realize that the term "social justice" gives you the itches, but if someone decides to enter that field (or any number of others, such as peace studies or theology), they will be saturated in "liberal" ideology because the program is, at its core, a liberal one.

You can't abdicate the entire field of social justice and be surprised that liberals pick up your slack.
 
122Tree
      ID: 121035316
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 11:43
I don't like either one of them(Franken or Coleman).

i've heard that refrain before from your parts. it's what almost caused Jesse Ventura to run for the seat, saying "i whipped Coleman before, i'll do it again."
 
123Seward Norse
      ID: 297412913
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 12:23
I think Jesse may have won. His right hand man Barkley got 15% of the vote. It was a VERY negative campaign, which caused my wife to vote Barkley.
 
124Tree
      ID: 121035316
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 16:46
and back to post 112, from our very own Minister of Distortion.

looks like this country is leaning left...

Americans OK with Democrats in charge, poll suggests

In a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Tuesday, 59 percent of those questioned think that Democratic control of both the executive and legislative branches will be good for the country, with 38 percent saying that such one-party control will be bad.

that, as your hero once said about himself, that, is a mandate.

oh yea, and so is this:

The poll also suggests that the public has a positive view of the Democratic Party, with 62 percent having a favorable opinion and 31 percent an unfavorable opinion.

That is not the case for the Republicans, with a majority, 54 percent, having an unfavorable view of the GOP and 38 percent holding a positive view.


so please. maybe your little minority wants to at least TRY to get along with the rest of the nation? i mean, it would be nice, and well, Christian of you to at least give this new government, and possible new way of doing things, a chance.
 
125boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 16:56
It is OK i am sure they will be upset soon enough...opinion is quite fickle. just looking at the poles they changed 9 points in less than month. there was also this mandate:

But that doesn't mean the public wants to see the GOP shut out of government. Seven out of eight want the Democrats to include Republican views in any legislation they pass.
 
126Razor
      ID: 181051618
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 16:57
Oh Tree, there is nothing Christian about socialism and the end of the rights of man.
 
127Perm Dude
      SuperDude
      ID: 030792616
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 17:03
Re 112: A more meaningful post about the Minnesota recount.

Replying one point at a time to 112:

1) There are no hanging chads to 'interpret' in Minnesota, at least not in the areas where Franken supporters are finding new votes for Franken. The ballots are spit right back at the voter if he refused to vote for the senate seat, so that they get a second chance to refuse to vote in that category, or to see their mistake if they really meant Franken.

I'm not sure where this little nugget is going, but there are all sorts of balloting methods not being used in Minnesota. What is actually happening rights now is that the machines are being audited (and because MN audits its machines, finding an error rate in place anyway, careful hand counts are the backup to errors). This means in a tight race like this, machine error can make a difference, which is why MN has a recount clause in her election laws.

2) It is statistical madness to believe that the only race where there is significant movement in one direction just happens to be the Coleman/Franken race.

Another strawman argument not being made by anyone. There hasn't been "significant" movement in the race at all. It just happens to be that the movement is in a tight race--a race in which nearly all pre-election polls was showing that this would be a tight race. And while the overall numbers happen to be moving toward Franken, there are a number of undervotes which will be for Coleman. None of the numbers are a huge surprise.

3) Deciding close races by cherry-picking the most liberal districts in the state is getting old.

I suppose if that is what is going on one might see that. But this is the third point in a row in which a "fact" is being disputed which isn't actually happening in MN. The recount will hand count all votes. Are you against this?

4) Acorn Now here's something which is getting old! I suppose you've got the shorthand down that you need not even try to make the same old fake argument anymore? Even though your linked article alludes to some kind of problem with ACORN, click through to see what the problem is. Go ahead. We'll wait.

In the meantime, it bears repeating:

There have been no verified cases of someone registered by ACORN casting a ballot who should not have have. None. Not one.
 
128Baldwin
      ID: 361056125
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 17:08
The power elite sure love chaos. A marxist global government was inevitible given who is in control and how little time he has left. I wasn't expecting evil to move this swiftly but I probably should have been.
 
129Baldwin
      ID: 361056125
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 17:14
PD

I predicted the stealing of senate seats and here it is happening. I'm so disgusted I can't bring myself to look at it any further atm.

One party needs an extra couple thousand votes beyond 50%. That is where this country is at.

You'll be so happy you won't remember to apologize to me for not believing me when I predicted it.
 
130Perm Dude
      SuperDude
      ID: 030792616
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 17:25
You can predict all you want. It doesn't mean that is what is happening here. This is an extremely tight race--so close that there is an automatic hand recount.

Given the fact of machine errors even in optical scanners, until that recount is in we can't say anything. In fact, we don't know for sure how many real votes each candidate has.

If Franken wins the election based upon a careful hand recount it isn't "stealing." It is "counting" and "adding up."

Until then, your "predictions" and projections masking as open fretting will have to stand the test of reality. I doubt it'll stand up, but since there appears to be no penalty to you for being wildly wrong you'll continue to throw up whatever you want to at the wall, pointing and screaming at us to look before it all slides to the floor in a heap.
 
131bibA
      ID: 010421015
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 18:03
How's this for a prediction:

If Franken wins the recount, Baldwin will state that the fix was in, that the Dems conived to steal the senate seat. If Coleman wins, he will say that the count was accurate.
 
132Baldwin
      ID: 361056125
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 18:33
How many days till Franken calls in Mayor Daily's election rigging brother, oh farsighted one?
 
133Baldwin
      ID: 361056125
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 18:58
PD
How would you know if people using fake names had cast votes in states without strict ID laws?" says GOP Indiana Secretary of State Todd Rokita, who this year won a major Supreme Court case upholding his state's photo identification law. "It's almost impossible to detect and once the fraudulent voter leaves the precinct or casts an absentee ballot, that vote is thrown in with other secret ballots there's no way to trace it."

Anita MonCrief, an ACORN whistle-blower who worked for both it and its Project Vote registration affiliate from 2005 until early this year, agrees. "It's ludicrous to say that fake registrations can't become fraudulent votes," she told me. "I assure you that if you can get them on the rolls you can get them to vote, especially using absentee ballots." MonCrief, a 29-year old University of Alabama graduate who wanted to become part of the civil rights movement, worked as a strategic consultant for ACORN as well as a development associate with Project Vote and sat in on meetings with the national staffs of both groups. She has given me documents that back up many of her statements, including one that indicates that the goal of ACORN's New Mexico affiliate was that only 40 percent of its submitted registrations had to be valid.

MonCrief also told me that some ACORN affiliates had a conscious strategy of flooding voter registration offices with suspect last-minute forms in part to create confusion and chaos that would make it more likely suspect voters would be allowed to cast ballots by overworked officials.
...
There are already documented examples of fraudulent registrations being converted into fraudulent votes in Ohio, where ACORN and other groups were active. Darrell Nash, an ACORN registration worker, submitted an illegal form for himself and then cast a paper ballot during the state's "early voting" period.

Franklin County prosecutor Ron O'Brien also cracked down in the case of 13 out-of-state registrants who came to Ohio to register voters in Columbus for the group Vote From Home. The group all lived out of the same rented 1,175-square-foot house in Ohio, registered to vote and then most of them either cast early voting ballots or submitted applications for absentee ballots before leaving the state. They have agreed to have all of their ballots canceled in exchange for the prosecutor's decision not to file charges. - John Fund at Politico
Research the fraudulent primary election of the East Chicago Mayor using absentee ballot fraud. Massive. Obama forces are WELL aware of how to pull this off.
 
134sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 19:42
They are? Did they take lessons in voter fraud from the 2000/2004 Presidential GOP practices in FL and OH?

{note: I am most certainly not saying there is voter fraud here. There may be, there may not be. Be either way, Baldwin, as bibA said, will continue to insist that there is simply because it is 'possible'. He'll not even attempt to prove it. Just claim its possible and therefore present.}
 
135Perm Dude
      SuperDude
      ID: 030792616
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 20:33
Franklin County prosecutor Ron O'Brien also cracked down in the case of 13 out-of-state registrants who came to Ohio to register voters in Columbus for the group Vote From Home. The group all lived out of the same rented 1,175-square-foot house in Ohio, registered to vote and then most of them either cast early voting ballots or submitted applications for absentee ballots before leaving the state. They have agreed to have all of their ballots canceled in exchange for the prosecutor's decision not to file charges. - John Fund at Politico

This has, of course, come up before. Vote From Home is not ACORN. Are you under the impression they are? Even if you are, the same prosecutor (Ron O'Brien) said elsewhere in the Columbus Dispatch article John Fund selectively quotes that the Vote from Home people, in his opinion, had no intention of deceiving anyone.

The rest of the article is long on allegations, short on specifics, and nicely mixes things up to the point where (even if you wanted to tell the different points going on, which you don't) you have to be very careful to discern.

By way of example, you point out Vote from Home, which had nothing at all to do with ACORN. None. Yet you cite it as though it somehow refutes my point about ACORN registering people and then those people casting votes who should not have.

The problem with ACORN, as has been pointed out to you time and time again, is that they have turned in fake registrations. As in: The names on the forms aren't real.

But, like much of your point about voter fraud, these fake people seem to be voting in droves in some otherworldly election where everything is unjustly taken from you.

And when confronted by the lack of evidence, you turn turtle and talk about the Kingdom of God, as though your intentional lies and smears will somehow get you a ticket in.
 
136Baldwin
      ID: 361056125
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 21:16
And you, in order to absolve Obama, keep ignoring that a fraudulent registered voter is one step and one dishonst Acorn worker away from a fraudulent absentee vote.

One step and one dishonest Acorn worker are as common as...buckeyes in ohio.
 
137Tree
      ID: 121035316
      Thu, Nov 13, 2008, 11:48
If Coleman were behind Franken in the voting, and there was a recount, Baldwin would be wearing his cute little skirt and waving his pom poms around cheering for Coleman's comeback.

and if Franken still won after a recount, Baldwin would claim the fix is in.

there is no other poster on this board who is as partisan as Baldwin is. he can claim he belongs to no political party, but he is as partisan as it gets, and there is simply no room for compromise on his radical agenda.

everything he posts is heresay, rumour, and lie. and when caught in one of his lies - as he often is - he'll back track with some sort of linkage where if A happens, OF COURSE B happsns, and thusly C follows.

i appreciate you Baldwin. i will give thanks for you in a couple weeks, because lord knows, without you, this board would be sane. i, for one, can appreciate the ramblings of a stark raving loon, because, it's funny.

you really should move to NYC, and wander the sidewalks preaching your beliefs. you'd fit right in with the other nut jobs.
 
138Perm Dude
      ID: 1410231313
      Thu, Nov 13, 2008, 14:24
And you, in order to absolve Obama...

Is this about Obama? Or is that another example of your inability to stay on topic when the truth makes you politically uncomfortable?
 
139Baldwin
      ID: 471049135
      Thu, Nov 13, 2008, 16:09
Exactly which of us is uncomfortable with Obama's links to Acorn and Dem voter fraud? Dem voter fraud has been the topic on the table since the Franken race started to look like FLA'04' 20 posts ago.

Just which of us is trying to dodge the topic? Your love covers a multitude of sins. Just don't expect every last person to stick his head in that sand.

Nice chutzpah trying to claim the originator of the thread with topic drift.
 
140Perm Dude
      ID: 201051315
      Thu, Nov 13, 2008, 18:44
Dodge! Man, that's funny. Truly. In a series of posts about Minnesota's Senate race, you inject ACORN and Obama and call it a dodge when I don't go off on the path you are willing to trod all by yourself.

And you bring it up at the point where you are losing the argument about the MN Senate race. Coincidence?
 
141Baldwin
      ID: 471049135
      Thu, Nov 13, 2008, 19:27
I am never losing an argument. And if I ever do you won't be able to tell the difference from all the times you deluded yourself into thinking I was.
 
142Tree
      ID: 3810481322
      Fri, Nov 14, 2008, 00:15
I am never losing an argument.

Baldwin, you haven't made a lick of sense on these forums in months. every thing you've typed has been a lost argument.
 
143Baldwin
      ID: 471049135
      Fri, Nov 14, 2008, 02:46
Posting on the same forum as Tree is like a scientist who crash-lands in Borneo and meets a tribe who has never interacted with the modern world.

To the scientist communication is a chore, barely possible, and he risks getting mistaken for food for the kettle.

To the tribe he's a simpleton who can't even talk.
 
144Tree
      ID: 421047145
      Fri, Nov 14, 2008, 06:53
ah, there's the Baldwin i was waiting for. the ranting psuedo Christian who will throw an unrelated personal insult at a rival faster than he'll ejaculate at group meeting for "Wingnuts for Coulter".

SZ was right - it's kinda fun to see your weird posts devolve even further as they become insults. i keep trying to stop myself, but you're fish in a barrel.

i definitely feel some guilt though. it's like picking on the crazy homeless guy up the block. i'd never do it, but for you, for some reason, it's much easier, and more fun.

damned internet.
 
145Boldwin
      ID: 2410291417
      Sat, Nov 15, 2008, 15:17
The tolerant.
 
146Tree
      ID: 4710111515
      Sat, Nov 15, 2008, 16:19
nice article Baldwin.

after all, teenagers have always been known for their tolerance. they've NEVER picked on anyone for being fat, skinny, tall, short, rich, poor, black, white, having zits, being perfect, and so on.

definitely an interesting social experiment, but not alltogether shocking they would pick on someone for being "different" by wearing a McCain shirt.

 
147WiddleAvi
      ID: 710271316
      Sat, Nov 15, 2008, 17:13
Baldwin - Is your point that people were harrased for supporting McCain ?? If thats the point I will find you plenty of stories of people getting harrased for Supporting Obama ? Whats your view on people getting treated unfairly for being gay ?
 
148Boldwin
      ID: 2410291417
      Sat, Nov 15, 2008, 19:19
The self-assuming lovers of tolerance and diversity aren't.

This fact is not limited to his youngest supporters.
 
149tree on the treo
      ID: 361053417
      Sat, Nov 15, 2008, 20:23
are you seriously so stupid and so far removed from reality that you think a bunch of middle schoolers are the most accepting lot?

aside from people like you, they are probably the least tolerant crowd.
 
150Perm Dude
      ID: 21041510
      Sat, Nov 15, 2008, 20:26
Should I go ahead and link to the middle school students in Idaho who were chanting "Assassinate Obama!"

 
151astade
      ID: 23100322
      Sat, Nov 15, 2008, 23:28
please...

let's quell the notion that being 'anti-Obama' is difficult.

 
152Boldwin
      ID: 2410291417
      Sat, Nov 15, 2008, 23:37
PD, sure...link to it.
 
153Tree
      ID: 51011420
      Sun, Nov 16, 2008, 00:45
here ya go, bigotwin -

a slew of racial incidents relating to the Obama election...

among the listed items is the one PD referenced.

people like you, Coulter, Palin, and that whole crowd of idiots you like to associate with play a role in this sort of behaviour.

i'm sure you're proud.
 
154Boldwin
      ID: 2410291417
      Sun, Nov 16, 2008, 01:20
Hey, I saved his life. He listened to me and didn't nominate Hillary.
 
155Tree
      ID: 51011420
      Tue, Nov 18, 2008, 09:59
more tolerance on Obama...
 
156Boldwin
      ID: 4010491810
      Tue, Nov 18, 2008, 11:54
The Castro, home of the lovers of tolerance and diversity.
 
157Boldwin
      ID: 541042014
      Fri, Nov 21, 2008, 18:49


Diversity Lane via Moonbattery
 
158Tree
      ID: 5110362211
      Sat, Nov 22, 2008, 12:50
The Castro, home of the lovers of tolerance and diversity.

not sure what in that video is wrong. you apparently had one group staging their own form of protest against homosexuality, and another group staging a counter-protest against the people who had played a role in denying them equality.

after reading some stuff on the internet, there may have been some attacks on the christians, but that came from one source, so it's hard to accept it as the gospel, so to speak. if there was violence, it's unacceptable.

it should be noted, however, that at least one of the members of the justice house of prayer (the christian group who came to protest, and was met with a much larger counter-protest), apprently has connections with a christian, anti-gay group called Joel's Law, that has not only called for the stoning of homosexuals, but has been IDed by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a potentially violent group that believes the U.S. "should be governed by conservative Christians and a conservative Christian interpretation of biblical law."

and well, Baldwin, considering how much weight you put on one person knowing another, even if it is through a passing glance, you should think twice about posting something from this group of "christians" who preach hate and intolerance.

more info can be found at this link...

so, very clearly, this video showed nothing that was really outlandish, and in fact, exposes the group you support as having connections to an organizations that advocates the murder of homosexuals.

kudos to you.
 
159Boldwin
      ID: 541042014
      Sat, Nov 22, 2008, 17:38
A pod-person such as yourself would of course consider that standard operating procedure.
 
160tree on the treo
      ID: 361053417
      Sat, Nov 22, 2008, 18:29
standing up to intolerance? absolutely...

advocating the murder of those who you disagree with? that's your domain, be they muslims or homosexuals...
 
161Boldwin
      ID: 541042014
      Sat, Nov 22, 2008, 19:36
Is there a moderator in the house?
 
162tree on the treo
      ID: 361053417
      Sat, Nov 22, 2008, 21:15
just using your standards.

you post a link, and by doing so, show support for a religious group. this group, in turn has connections with another group who advocates the stoning of homosexuals, and a simple google search reveals that fact.

you've spent the last several months advocatng guilt by association...should the same standard not apply to your associations?
 
163Boldwin
      ID: 1810312617
      Thu, Nov 27, 2008, 10:17
If this were only a movie and we could just willfully suspend disbelief, however it's not and wishes are not horses.
 
164Perm Dude
      ID: 610502616
      Thu, Nov 27, 2008, 11:11
Heh. So you're reduced to mocking people who accept the election as genuine and who take the man at his word?

 
165Pancho Villa
      ID: 51546319
      Thu, Nov 27, 2008, 11:53
Meanwhile, she who rules all she surveys opens her column with this typical distortion:

I thought the rest of the world was going to love us if we elected B. Hussein Obama! Somebody better tell the Indian Muslims.

Cute. Connect a tragic incident in India to the President-elect because....because....well, because that's who she is and that's what she does. This isn't political commentary, or satire, or any type of journalistic integrity. She just sinks lower and lower into the abyss of irrelevance.

 
166Tree
      ID: 51011420
      Thu, Nov 27, 2008, 13:15
PV - Coulter knows her audience well. she knows they're not intelligent enough to think for themselves, they don't have the grasp of simple logic to figure out truths from lies, and they believe that fear controls all.

it also appears there are enough of them that she'll thrive for the next eight years, minimum. god bless her for figuring a way to make million by entertaining fools, but, really, she's just a court jester for a minority of dimwits.
 
167Pancho Villa
      ID: 51546319
      Thu, Nov 27, 2008, 16:52
Here's what's completely pathetic about Coulter's column.
The jist is about a Gitmo amputee who was released in 2004 and proceeded to mastermind the kidnapping of two Chinese engineers in Pakistan working on the Gomal Zam Dam project. Oh, and that American taxpayers had paid for his prosthetic leg.

None of this has anything to do with Obama. It was the Bush administration that approved his prosthesis at taxpayer expense and the Bush administration that approved his release from Gitmo.

It's baffling that anyone could take her seriously, much less elevate her to the status of spokesperson for any legitimate political movement.