Forum: pol
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Subject: Cult of Personality


  Posted by: Baldwin - [201045320] Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 17:54

No marxist leader can be complete without a 'cult of personality' and Obama is no exception. Thus the commissioning of tyrant worshipping artist Shepard Fairey.

Fairey's company is called appropriately Obey Giant. [ostensibly Andre the giant but...]

His website prominantly offers Propaganda Engineering in flashing script.

Myself, I am not into worshipful respect for mass murdering tyrants.
 
1Baldwin
      ID: 201045320
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 18:01
And the resultant religious icon...

 
2Perm Dude
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      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 18:04
So says the Reagan idol worshipper.
 
3Baldwin
      ID: 201045320
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 18:06
Which in the eyes of the Obama cult [judging by their choice of artists] puts him in good company...






 
4Pancho Villa
      ID: 51546319
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 18:07
And the Palin idol worshipper.
 
5Baldwin
      ID: 201045320
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 18:17
Available for $70 from Obama's site I am informed.

Goes great with your faded Che poster.

Maybe Bill Ayers will get one for the door to his professor's office.



But considering Stalin's cabinet made it into Fairey's worshipful art...



...maybe there is a chance Bill Ayers can even get a supporting role in the 'Obama and kitchen cabinet' poster.
 
6boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 18:18
I thought this was Living Colour thread.
 
7Balrog
      Dude
      ID: 02856618
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 18:30
Baldwin you are completely and utterly out of touch if you're trying to tell America that Andre the Giant is a bad guy. We love the Giant, dammit!
 
8walk
      ID: 139332920
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 19:19
I love that song. Corey Glover and Vernon Reid, yo.
 
9Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 19:34
I love Shepard Fairey's stuff.
 
10Baldwin
      ID: 201045320
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 19:35
Naturally.
 
11sarge33rd
      ID: 99331714
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 19:53
so Baldwin, your basic gripe here, is that this particular artist has a tendancy to make political statements with his art? The only logcal conclusion then, is that you'd prefer to see his work censored. Which would what? Extend to all who disagree with you? You lil fascist you.
 
12bibA
      ID: 451023420
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 19:55
Yo Baldwin....you in hiding or what? We were sent to find you, follow up orders pending.....something about "someone has to be the first of 25 million...."
 
13Tree
      ID: 51011420
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 00:44
Balrog, you beat me to it.

Baldwin - you do realize all of the posters above that displayed are all about the late professional wrestler Andre The Giant, right? you seemed to hint at it, then, totally blew it off...

the artist in question began a graffiti campaign "Andre The Giant has a posse" that morphed into the "Obey Giant" mantra.

wow. how freakin' out of touch are you????

hahaa...in a litany of entertaining and hysterical posts from you over the last few months, this one takes the cake, and pretty much cements you as the fool you have became, or, perhaps, always were.

Andre the Giant dude...lol...you must totally hate america, because obviously you hate the Princess Bride...

 
15Baldwin
      ID: 201045320
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 06:00
Morons and trolls struggle with large words.

I not only have to research it and write it, but I also have to read it to them and explain the big words to them.

Ostensibly

Note the synonym listed in that definition namely Speciously: Having the ring of truth or plausibility but actually fallacious...

Because of course fawning, worshipful, idolized pictorial hagiographies of dead mass murdering tyrants do not actually move you to think to yourself, "Hey, I haven't watched 'Princess Bride' in a while."

Remind me what I am doing wasting a second of my time with idiots? You guys are actually too stupid to be useful idiots.
 
16Baldwin
      ID: 201045320
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 06:11
A fact that has not escaped the propagadist's eye.

No big words there.
 
17Tree
      ID: 51011420
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 07:07
actually Baldwin, if someone feels the need to use big words, it reveals something about that person, and it's called over compensation for short comings. and people who feel the need to explain big words, even more so.

btw, Andre the Giant has a posse...
 
18Baldwin
      ID: 201045320
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 07:17
A would-be english teacher who does not love words...amazing. I don't use big words for any other reason than that they are the precise word to best convey the meaning intented. In the above example ostensibly is more fitting than speciously which is more fitting than falsely or misleadingly.

I refuse to be a word butcher just to cater to your limited vocabulary.
 
19Tree
      ID: 121035316
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 10:43
no, i love words Baldwin. but i don't believe people need to use them when there are better words to use - people should absolutely have as large a vocabulary as possible - but if you're using the words to show off, then what's the point.

being clear, concise, and brief are some of the keys to improved communication.

and being able to communicate is much more important than tossing out big words to make your small self feel big.

In the above example ostensibly is more fitting than speciously which is more fitting than falsely or misleadingly.

your entire usage of that word is an intent to mislead. either that, or you're just continuing your foolish parade.

Shepard Fairey was a freakin' skateboarder who was behind the

Andre The Giant has a posse street art from the mid 90s, something he started when HE WAS 16 YEARS OLD and then kicked into high gear while still a teenager and attending RISD in Providence.

although, considering the whole thing is a study in Phenomenology, it's pretty cool that you're seeing this as some sort of subversive campaign related to Barack Obama being some sort of communist, marxist, socialist, whatever-ist.

in regards to "Obey", there's good reason for it, and there's a pop culture subtext to it.

Titan Sports (parent company of the then WWF, now WWE) threatened to sue him, because "Andre The Giant" was a trademarked name.

So, Fairey went with "Obey", because it was another wrestling homage - this time, to the signs that were all over the movie "They Live", which starred pro wrestler Rowdy Roddy Piper.

anyway, have fun with yourself. it must be a lonely life for you.

 
20walk
      ID: 181472714
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 11:18
pwned
 
21Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 11:26
Great now that riff is stuck in my head. Playing Guitar Hero when I get home tonight, thanks a lot! :)
 
22Mith
      ID: 148402816
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 11:31
I can't allow myself to forget to thank and congratulate Boldwin on the Obama victory. If not for the infammatory, often absurd hate-rhetoric from people like him, so many people might not have been discouraged from voting with the political right.

Boldwin, you have done a great service to your country and I personally thank you. Please, keep up the good work.

:)
 
23Baldwin
      ID: 201045320
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 11:51
Tree

Yes I also went thru his career and his tagging all over the world which in his case is meant to be subversive as well as self-promotional.

You however still have not grasped the meaning of the word ostensibly. No amount of faux irony and pretentions at depth can erase the self-evident leftist trait which I have refered to before [stemming all the way back to the French revolution and the burning of Demolay and the bifurcation in freemasonry] as supporting the philosopher tyrant all the while claiming to speak for the little guy. The little guy, the common man, the individual does not fair well under the boot of the philospher tyrant.

Speaking of pretentions at depth, you've got to get over the idea that the world revolves around pro-wrestling.
 
24scoobies
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      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 11:53




 
25Tree
      ID: 121035316
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 12:22
...as supporting the philosopher tyrant all the while claiming to speak for the little guy. The little guy, the common man, the individual does not fair well under the boot of the philospher tyrant.

good thing we live in the United States, and booted your hero GW Bush out of office...

Speaking of pretentions at depth, you've got to get over the idea that the world revolves around pro-wrestling.

thank god. pro wrestling is an escapist hobby, and works well. you, probably need to be reminded, introduced pro wrestling into this thread...
 
26C1-NRB
      ID: 17101168
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 12:35
thank god. pro wrestling is an escapist hobby, and works well. you, probably need to be reminded, introduced pro wrestling into this thread...

You forgot to start this with, "Let me tell you sumthin', brother..."
 
27Tree
      ID: 121035316
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 12:46
You forgot to start this with, "Let me tell you sumthin', brother..."

indeed i did. nice catch. the crazy thing is, hanging out in the pro wrestling business, is that even in every day conversation, everyone says "hey, brother..."

it's so weird...
 
28Tree
      ID: 51011420
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 21:39
btw, Baldwin. in your honor, i just gave some cash to moveon.org and will be getting some nifty Shepard Fairey stickers in return.

thanks for the idea!
 
29Baldwin
      ID: 201045320
      Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 17:43
Is there any act of obeisance you would not perform for the giant?
 
30Perm Dude
      ID: 171049717
      Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 16:52
C'mon Baldwin. Get yourself a free one, shipping included!
 
31Baldwin
      ID: 201045320
      Sun, Nov 09, 2008, 18:56
Sounds like a job for Triumph the insult dog.
 
32walk
      ID: 139332920
      Sun, Nov 09, 2008, 20:05
I saw that dog and owner perform live two years ago...very funny.
 
33Baldwin
      ID: 201045320
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 22:57
Communitarian masters did not want citizens to be fruitful and productive and to practice genuine benevolence. They attacked the 'work ethic' (self-reliance, productiveness and other virtues) and preached the communitarian service ethic, ie., the slave ethic. In order to degrade them and destroy their dignity, the masters urged their people to practice greater selflessness. To eradicate their independence, autonomy and personal conviction, the masters cunningly kindled a sense of community, a spirit of collectivism, and committment to social service. They wanted to produce a particular type of citizen for their 'New World Order' - a servile communitarian slave. A selfless mindless masochistic, self-defeating human being. A weak dependent individual who has so squandered his own skills and abilities that he feels like scum. A cringing, slavish person who has no sense of self-worth or self-respect, who can't think for himself, and who needs, even craves domination. A brainless frightened animal who has a blind and boundless devotion to his masters, who lives in abject fear of their awesome power, and who passively endures evil, readily submitting to their commands, even when they trample underfoot all of man's rights, and with insane abandone pursue their passion for death and destruction.
OBEY GIANT

Propaganda engineering

Worldwide Propaganda Delivery
 
34Tree
      ID: 51011420
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 23:39
the more posts i read like post 33, the more i realize why some muslims silliness like that, and they just go into a head chopping frenzy...
 
36Baldwin
      ID: 361056125
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 07:19
You wonder if the last phrase in that blockquote overstates...until you read Trees next 'contribution' and look at him surrounding himself with bullies and violence.
 
37sarge33rd
      ID: 76442923
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 08:27
frankly Baldwin, to me, that underlined sentence applies rather well to what I have seen lately from your own posts.

More preachy of late, I'd suggest that you fit fairly well, that statement.
 
38Tree
      ID: 121035316
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 09:24
until you read Trees next 'contribution' and look at him surrounding himself with bullies and violence.

bullies and violence? right, right. that's exactly who i surround myself with. you're the one with a long, deep history of blood on your hands - much of it from MY people.

i can't wait to see you in the afterlife, because you're going to be even more miserable - bring sun screen, because it's going to be warm where you're going pal.
 
39Pancho Villa
      ID: 51546319
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 10:27
From the link in #33:

Soviet dictator Vladimir Lenin had total contempt for human life....He murdered millions

From a Lenin speech in 1919:

Anti-Semitism means spreading enmity towards the Jews. When the accursed tsarist monarchy was living its last days it tried to incite ignorant workers and peasants against the Jews. The tsarist police, in alliance with the landowners and the capitalists, organised pogroms against the Jews. The landowners and capitalists tried to divert the hatred of the workers and peasants who were tortured by want against the Jews. In other countries, too, we often see the capitalists fomenting hatred against the Jews in order to blind the workers, to divert their attention from the real enemy of the working people, capital. Hatred towards the Jews persists only in those countries where slavery to the landowners and capitalists has created abysmal ignorance among the workers and peasants. Only the most ignorant and downtrodden people can believe the lies and slander that are spread about the Jews. This is a survival of ancient feudal times, when the priests burned heretics at the stake, when the peasants lived in slavery, and when the people were crushed and inarticulate. This ancient, feudal ignorance is passing away; the eyes of the people are being opened.

It is not the Jews who are the enemies of the working people. The enemies of the workers are the capitalists of all countries. Among the Jews there are working people, and they form the majority. They are our brothers, who, like us, are oppressed by capital; they are our comrades in the struggle for socialism. Among the Jews there are kulaks, exploiters and capitalists, just as there are among the Russians, and among people of all nations. The capitalists strive to sow and foment hatred between workers of different faiths, different nations and different races. Those who do not work are kept in power by the power and strength of capital. Rich Jews, like rich Russians, and the rich in all countries, are in alliance to oppress, crush, rob and disunite the workers.

Shame on accursed tsarism which tortured and persecuted the Jews. Shame on those who foment hatred towards the Jews, who foment hatred towards other nations.
link

In the interest of balance:

In September 1918, during the Red Terror, 25 former tsarist ministers and high civil servants along with 765 so-called White Guards were shot in Moscow. Lenin personally signed the execution lists.[62] Despite this attempt by Lenin to stop them the Whites continued active and indulged in a massive anti-Red terror and also pogroms against the Jews. For instance the Whites killed 115,000 Ukrainian Jews in 1919 alone.[63] According to historian Christopher Read the numbers killed by the White forces were on a comparable scale to the Bolsheviks and probably can be numbered in hundreds of thousands.

Now, because I point this out doesn't mean that much of the link in #33 isn't applicable as it defines totalitarianism as interpreted by some Marxist ideologues. But the author's statement that Lenin had total contempt for human life is a dumbed down opinion that reflects a limited and absolutist view that in no way attempts to honestly analyze Lenin and the chaos surrounding the Russian Revolution, Civil War and formation of the Soviet Union. It ignores that Lenin initiated and supervised the devising and realisation of the GOELRO plan, the first-ever Soviet project for national economic recovery and development. He was very concerned about creating a free universal health care system for all, the rights of women, and teaching the illiterate Russian people to read and write.

It can even be disputed that Lenin was a Soviet dictator. After the assassination attempt that left a bullet in his neck in 1918, Lenin was more a figurehead from a hospital bed than day to day dictating policy. By the time the Soviet Union actually became a reality in 1922, Lenin's health was so poor that Stalin, Trotsky and a few others were calling the shots while continuing to acknowledge Lenin as the original Bolshevik leader, but hardly a dictator.

It's hard for me to take seriously an author whose portrayal of Lenin is reduced to a soundbite, and a dishonest one at that. If this is how you think Russian history should be taught, it's no wonder your campaign against current university history curriculum is widely ignored. It's not based on truth.
 
40Baldwin
      ID: 361056125
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 13:51
Marxist Leninism has no respect for individual rights whatsoever.
 
41Pancho Villa
      ID: 51546319
      Thu, Nov 13, 2008, 10:32
Marxist Leninism has no respect for individual rights whatsoever.

Is that in-depth analysis an attempt to counter my post #39, or simply whimsical musings of a default position?

The author didn't state:

Soviet dictator Josef Stalin had total contempt for human life....He murdered millions

The author made that claim of Lenin. The statement would be undeniable concerning Stalin, but Lenin and his legacy is much more complex to simply relegate it to such a simplistic characterization.

There have been discussions in this forum lately about history courses. I would be appalled if either of my children took a course in Russian history that dumbed down events from 1917-1924 as this author has done.

Your statement that Marxist Leninism has no respect for individual rights whatsoever is at least a topic which can lead to healthy debate, even framed as subjectively as it is. But saying that Lenin murdered millions is historical revisionism. Even the execution of the tsar and his family was undertaken without Lenin's knowledge, although when he learned of it after the fact, he apparently approved. Lenin didn't murder millions of Russians who died during the Russian famine of 1921-22, although his policies were a contributing, even a primary factor, albeit unintentionally( policies that Mao should have learned from but didn't). Lenin didn't murder hundreds of thousands of White Russians during the Russian Civil War of 1918-1920. The White Russians were armed and killing Bolsheviks as well, a condition that doesn't constitute murder.

This is history. Perhaps you want your children learning a skewed version, in which case you should teach them yourselves instead of relying on a school system which, in a perfect world, would lay out the facts and let the student form their own analysis. It's quite likely that they will conclude that Marxist Leninism has no respect for individual rights whatsoever.

But they need the entire story in order to reach that conclusion.

 
42Baldwin
      ID: 471049135
      Thu, Nov 13, 2008, 16:13
You do need some reminders about Lenin.

Terror is not a respecter of individual human rights.
 
43Perm Dude
      ID: 201051315
      Thu, Nov 13, 2008, 16:25
Your response to PV's post about making sure your history includes some context (in response to your approving link to a site that "Lenin murdered millions") is to link to a website with out-of-context Lenin quotes on "terror?"

Lenin, of course, arose because the Tsar refused to be anything other than an absolute monarch. Wrong he turned out to be, but in many other situations you'd be cheering on his words and actions as that of a freedom fighter standing up against the oppression of a dictator.

Stalin, of course, was evil. And communism as a whole is a soul-sucking political system doomed to fail on its own merits.

But all this is far too much context for you.
 
44Baldwin
      ID: 471049135
      Thu, Nov 13, 2008, 16:28
“We need the real, nation-wide terror which reinvigorates the country and through which the Great French Revolution achieved glory” - Lenin [face it, the french version of freemasonry loves terror]

“The goal of socialism is communism.” - Lenin [try explaining that on the poliboard]

“Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever” - Bill Ayer's favorite Lenin quote

“It is true that liberty is precious - so precious that it must be rationed” - Lenin [his view of all human rights actually]

 
45Baldwin
      ID: 471049135
      Thu, Nov 13, 2008, 16:30
I think anyone trying to seperate Lenin's beliefs from the results of those beliefs are the ones who don't respect context.
 
46Perm Dude
      ID: 201051315
      Thu, Nov 13, 2008, 16:35
Riiiight. So contextual respect means not trying to discern meaning and intent for individuals? Individuals at the beginning of a movement can be blamed, then, for all that follows? Sins of the father, etc?

We're very far afield from your misuse of some wrestling posters...
 
47Baldwin
      ID: 471049135
      Thu, Nov 13, 2008, 18:00
Lenin explicitly encouraged state sponsored terrorism against his own people. Mao did so. In fact one of the FF hinted as much, fortunately not a consensus sentiment here thankfully.

But yes, words and philosophies have meanings and consequenses.
 
48Perm Dude
      ID: 201051315
      Thu, Nov 13, 2008, 18:42
It was a revolution, Baldwin.

But war is war, right? Until it is started by a Republican.
 
49Baldwin
      ID: 471049135
      Thu, Nov 13, 2008, 19:31
Mao and Lenin encouraged a permanent war of terror on their own people. No, calling it revolution doesn't make it all better.

Before you get all cozy feeling please do read 'Gulag Archepelego' and realize how packed the work/death camps were with people pledging their love for the revolution/marxism/the cult-of-personality of the moment, and cursing the 'mistake' that had landed them there.

See you there.
 
50Boldwin
      ID: 1810312617
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 16:30
"So it might be worthwhile to consider Zizek's [or any other marxist monster's] work as if he means it--"

The West all too often excuses and refuses to take the mosterous statement or fact at face value. Nervous laughter trailing off into amnesia is not a proper response to evil. Ideas, philosophies, manifestos of the intellectual influential have consequences. - B

Grasp if you only would the full significance of utopianism which adamantly rejects the concept of individual human rights.
 
51Perm Dude
      ID: 291115120
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 16:42
...which adamantly rejects the concept of individual human rights.

You're posting this in response to a book review about America's use of torture on prisoners? This is some kind of joke, yes?

The problem with torture is not that those who oppose it effectively prevent the guilty from getting punished through it, but that those who are not guilty of anything at all are being punished. Torture, particularly the widespread use cheered on by you in America's prisons, is the result of wholesale rejection of the rights of those being held there.
 
52Boldwin
      ID: 1810312617
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 18:07
You have lost your mind, PD.

The problem with torture is that it is in and of itself unconscionable and unacceptibly damages all parties involved. I have never supported it and your charge makes you certifiable.

For someone who throws up the strawman flag at every argument, whether remotely applicable or not, you sure use it yourself.

Just read the piece on it's own merits and quit fanticizing about my motives.
 
53Boxman
      ID: 571114225
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 18:25
Torture, particularly the widespread use cheered on by you in America's prisons

Which cases of prison torture does Boldwin favor according to you? I'm sure you'll be able to cite things from him on these forums to back that up.
 
54Boldwin
      ID: 1810312617
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 23:58
Perhaps he is confusing me with Tree who wished I would get imprisoned and raped.
 
55Boxman
      ID: 571114225
      Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 06:06
What's interesting, or ignorant take your pick, about what PD said is "America's prisons". That implies more than just Gitmo.
 
56Tree
      ID: 22115238
      Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 09:59
That implies more than just Gitmo.

do you really think Gitmo is the only "secret prison" the US has?
 
57Perm Dude
      ID: 49112139
      Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 10:23
Will respond to these later today (swamped at work). Just very quickly:

Yes, I meant GITMO and all the other not-so-secret prisons under American control.

Later, we'll see if Baldwin will finally admit Ann Coulter is wrong about something--a first for him.
 
58Boldwin
      ID: 1810312617
      Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 12:41
Last I checked, she wasn't a JW.
 
59Baldwin
      ID: 1904278
      Wed, Jan 28, 2009, 20:02
“mercilessly destroy anyone who, by his deeds or his thoughts — yes, by his thoughts — ­threatens the unity of the socialist state.” - Stalin
 
60DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 12:49
Wow, take out the word "socialist" and you'd have a perfect description of the Rove/Coulter/Limbaugh playbook.

Apparently, Stalin was right.
 
61Baldwin
      ID: 180202819
      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 16:14
The conservative side doesn't need to stifle debate by insisting on a global Unanimocracy.
 
62Perm Dude
      ID: 450312914
      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 16:18
More projecting by Baldwin.

"The conservative side" is now "the conservative slice" as it renders itself smaller and smaller.
 
63Baldwin
      ID: 180202819
      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 16:34
You are confusing Dem talking points memos with reality.

Yes there is a tremendous concerted effort to freeze and isolate conservatives but it certainly isn't coming from the conservatives. You are such a servile slave to Saul Alinsky now days, PD. Any day now you will forget your name and discontinue all sustinance that doesn't taste of shoe leather.
 
64tree on the treo
      ID: 236113120
      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 16:46
this is the third thread in a row where I've wondered what its like living in baldwin's brain, then went fleeing quickly for the exact.

either you are the perfect devil's advocate, or you are so clueless, blind, and naive, that it is indescribible...
 
65Baldwin
      ID: 180202819
      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 17:01
As a pertinent example, behold Rule #12 of Saul Alinsky's Rules For Radicals:
RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
Currently the biggest target is Rush Limbaugh, as they try and seperate republican legislators from Rush and his supporters.

Another example would be liberals on this board who boo instead of honestly debate.
 
66Tree
      ID: 1311551521
      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 19:50
Yes there is a tremendous concerted effort to freeze and isolate conservatives but it certainly isn't coming from the conservatives.

right. i've never seen a group of people so quick to say "well, yea, but you're not a TRUE Conservative, so we're turning our backs on you!".

Another example would be liberals on this board who boo instead of honestly debate.

look in the mirror. you've had plenty more dishonest posts than honest ones in the past several months. and when you're caught in another lie, you disappear, turn tail and change your argument, or simply keep on repeating the lie, believing that if you do so enough, it will become true.
 
67Baldwin
      ID: 180202819
      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 22:48
When people ignore you, you've got to stop thinking it is because you've won a debate. They ignore you because you are not worthy of a response.
 
68Tree
      ID: 1311551521
      Thu, Jan 29, 2009, 23:47
Baldwin, your history here of walking away from a discussion after you distorted the truth or were proven wrong, is large.
 
69Perm Dude
      ID: 55072921
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 00:00
The GOP efforts to purify itself has reached a fever pitch, Baldwin. And you are part of the cheering squad, telling us that conservatives who buck the party line aren't worthy of being called conservatives.

Democrats aren't separating any Republicans from the herd. Do you know why? Because they don't have to. Voters have handed the GOP their asses the last two elections. And they have done so not because individual members of the GOP have turned into Democrats (if they did, this would actually be in their favore). Voters are turning out Republicans because the GOP had all the power to make and implement their own policies and voters realized that they didn't want what was happening anymore.

To blame any of this one Democrats "isolating" conservatives is absolute nonsense. It genuinely doesn't make any sense. It flows from a sense of party unity which overshadows personal political philosophies to the point of blaming anything bad that happens to the party on not being unified enough.

It is a recipe for irrelevance.

 
70Baldwin
      ID: 180202819
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 04:59
The fact that the pendulum eventually swings is no excuse to see Dr Kavorkian for a cure. Turning into democrat-lite is the proven road to defeat for republicans. They will get beaten everytime they try it.

Listening to dems for advice instead of Limbaugh is a sure road to defeat.

Republicans were in the wilderness for forty years listening to the hat-in-hand Bob Micheals of the party. Only when they asserted their principals and manned up under Gingerich did they climb up and stand upright.

Yeah, PD, they should become the party of milktoasts and floormats. Pathetic advice. The republican party should turn it's back on it's base. Yeah right. You are selling arsenic laden bottles of snakeoil.

 
71Tree
      ID: 1311551521
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 06:43
Listening to dems for advice instead of Limbaugh is a sure road to defeat.

when Rush Limbaugh is your Moses, the promised land you'll be led to is irrelevance.

Rush's hate mongering ultimately has done little good for the Republicans. sure, it got them some nice power for a few years, but it was power they abused, and squanders, and rode right into decisive defeat and overturning of their policies.

keeping it up that same tact is disaster, as the American people have spoken quite loudly on this.
 
72Perm Dude
      ID: 55072921
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 10:17
Republicans seem to be of the belief that compromise or dealing with Democrats on any level means they become floormats. No confidence in their ideas, it seems. Having no ideas while strutting around like peacocks will make for some strange sideshows the next few years.

Call us when your party grows up, Baldwin.
 
73Baldwin
      ID: 180202819
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 12:01
No confidence in their ideas

So in your mind, caving on principles equates to confidence in your ideas.

Who really do you think is simpleminded enuff to accept your advice?
 
74tree on the treo
      ID: 236113120
      Fri, Jan 30, 2009, 12:30
its not an issue of simple minded, but rather the opposite.

who is smart enough to stand for their principles, but also smart enough to understand when compromise is the better part of valor.

and smart enough to understand that not compromising likely means the death of the republican party, and at that point, their principles mean squat.
 
75Boldwin
      ID: 43492714
      Tue, Jun 05, 2012, 22:25
This time around, perhaps not so much.



Donors who gave $200 to Barack Obama in 2008 but have not yet in 2012, by location. The darkness of the dot corresponds to the number of drop-off donors in that zip code.
- by Bonfire of the Absurdities
 
76Frick
      ID: 14082314
      Wed, Jun 06, 2012, 07:33
Doesn't Obama already have more than double Romney? And Obama has barely started campaigning. If he needs more money and asks, it will start to come in.

 
77Boldwin
      ID: 43492714
      Wed, Jun 06, 2012, 09:00
Nope
 
78Boldwin
      ID: 1557712
      Sat, Jun 09, 2012, 18:58
'Obama Girl' refuses to endorse Obama the second time around.



So fickle.
 
79Boldwin
      ID: 2664163
      Wed, Jul 11, 2012, 11:24
I don't get the appeal, myself.

 
80Boldwin
      ID: 38202019
      Thu, Sep 20, 2012, 21:49
OK, it’s not a flag, but a $35 poster now available from the Obama campaign store. Hip 20-somethings can stare longingly as it fades on the wall of their childhood bedrooms!

We thought we already had a flag to remind us of the one United States, and we don’t recall it having an Obama logo. What happened to the 57 stars?



Shameless. He actually thinks his handling of the islamic world is a campaign plus.
 
81Boldwin
      ID: 1210341416
      Wed, Nov 14, 2012, 18:21
We won! - Communist Party, USA

Yup.
 
82Tree
      ID: 710581417
      Wed, Nov 14, 2012, 18:58
once again, you didn't even read your own link.

not once in that article was Commmunism even mentioned.

the article did praise the successes of this election: Democrats also held the Senate. Elizabeth Warren won with a good margin in Massachusetts. Claire McKaskill won in Missouri beating Akin-he of the legitimate rape comment. Joe Donnelly also won in Indiana beating Republican Mourdock. Warren won by eight percentage points. Donnelly won in Indiana by 6 percentage points. Sherrod Brown won re-election. Tammy Baldwin won becoming the first openly gay Senator. Democrats picked up seats in the Senate.

Progressives like you worked their hearts out all over America for our people, our country, our president, and progressive Democrats. We fought and beat the tea party, the oligarchs and massive rich, Karl Rove’s strategy, ALEC, the Koch Brothers, and all those who would tear down democracy and destroy the middle class and the labor movement. Women spoke strongly. Latinos spoke strongly. The LGBT community spoke strongly. And AFRICAN-AMERICANS fought back against the neo-poll taxes and disenfranchisement.


but, when you're filled with hate for anything different than yourself, it's easy to see why you're too blind to read.
 
83Pancho Villa
      ID: 59645318
      Wed, Nov 14, 2012, 19:02
when you're filled with hate for anything different than yourself

Disagree. There's plenty of evidence for self-loathing.
 
84Mith
      ID: 98342014
      Wed, Nov 14, 2012, 19:08
once again, you didn't even read your own link.

There's nothing in the two short lines of post 81 to suggest he didn't read his link. If you weren't aware, People's World is closely associated with Communist Party USA.