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Subject: ACORN Watch


  Posted by: Baldwin - [38241203] Sat, Mar 21, 2009, 18:46

What do you get when you give Obama's pet rent-a-mob several billion of our dollars?

Rent-a-mob intimidation of course.

They Came for the AIG Bonuses, but I was not an AIG Employee
 
1Perm Dude
      ID: 442272116
      Sat, Mar 21, 2009, 20:14
Billions? Be careful when you pass along other people's lies as your own, Baldwin. You end up sounding stupid (at worst) or lazy (at best).

Looked in vain for the ACORN reference in your second link. Sounds like you got your ranting points mixed up.
 
2Pancho Villa
      ID: 152372116
      Sat, Mar 21, 2009, 20:26
AIG execs who are fearing for their lives

What a farce. I just saw this "mob" on NBC News, a bunch of mostly elderly black ladies, who are perfectly within their right to organize a protest, just as these crazy right wingers have a right to organize their
tea parties, which, ironically, were inspired by an employee of NBC.
 
3Baldwin
      ID: 38241203
      Sat, Mar 21, 2009, 20:28
Yes, the most recent stimulous package has included over 4 billion dollars custom made for Acorn groups who will surely get the lion's share.

And as for reputation, immitating Tree's vaccuous posting style isn't raising you in my estimation any and it hasn't been ever since you fell hopelessly in love.
 
4Perm Dude
      ID: 442272116
      Sat, Mar 21, 2009, 23:18
What do you get when you give Obama's pet rent-a-mob several billion of our dollars

By this, one can surmise that ACORN got billions of dollars, right? I just want to make sure you pull out enough rope here, Baldwin. Did ACORN get billions of dollars?
 
5Baldwin
      ID: 38241203
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 01:14
As soon as they cash the check.
 
6Pancho Villa
      ID: 152372116
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 09:30
More on the rent-a-mob intimidation claim.

FAIRFIELD, Conn. (AP) — A busload of activists — outnumbered 2-to-1 by reporters and photographers — are paying visits to the homes of American International Group Inc. executives in Connecticut to protest tens of millions in bonuses awarded by the company.

About 40 protesters parked at a cul-de-sac Saturday afternoon and walked to the Fairfield home of Douglas Polling. They were met on the curb by two security guards, and one activist read a letter detailing the financial struggles that many Connecticut residents have faced. The group then left the note in Polling's mailbox.


OMG, those poor AIG executives fearing for their lives, hoping they don't get photographed to death, or possibly suffering from eye strain reading a letter.

There was no mob involved here. There was no intimidation in the physical sense, which is what one would expect when the words mob and intimidation are linked. If it were a mob, would two security guards really be sufficient to turn back 40 people intent on causing bodily harm or destruction of property?

The thread is an embarrassment. If there's concern for an ACORN watch, there's nothing presented here that would provide ammunition for such concern. It's counter-productive, showing to what hysterical lengths the radical right wing will go to distort reality with nonsensical rhetoric.
 
7Perm Dude
      ID: 442272116
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 09:45
When right-wingers try to think; or, Logical Fallacies 101
 
8Baldwin
      ID: 38241203
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 16:53
A busload of activists — outnumbered 2-to-1 by reporters and photographers

That sure sounds familiar.

Knowing Obama's longtime connection with ACORN and ACORNs longterm history of malicious activity, one can hope this doesn't go from bad to worse, but one has no reason for confidence that that is so.
 
9Baldwin
      ID: 38241203
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 16:54
Let me know how it feels when they bus a mob onto your lawn, btw.
 
10nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 17:00

Baldwin

Specifically in this case how are you defining "mob".

Mob like mafia?

Mob like gang?

Mob like rabble? Throng? Pack?

How are you using the word to describe this group?

Did they have pitchforks and torches?

Just saying...


 
11Pancho Villa
      ID: 212122212
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 17:17
Did they have pitchforks and torches?

They did in Baldwin's mindseye. Just as they were doing donuts on the lawn in the buses, even though the busses were nowhere near a lawn.

Like I said earlier, the thread is an embarrassment, but one has no reason for confidence that he'll understand that.
 
12bibA
      ID: 22131614
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 19:01
Well, it's not an embarrassment if Acorn is actually receiving "several billion dollars". And, apparently a check has been issued to them.

Can't seem to ascertain how much the check was written for, but the assumption is that it is for "several billion dollars". That is quite a bit for a community based organization to get, isn't it?
 
13sarge33rd
      ID: 262512216
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 19:01
Post 5: As soon as they cash the check.

When precisely, did ACORN get this "check"? Who from ACORN, took possession of this "check"?

Post 8: Knowing Obama's longtime connection with ACORN and ACORNs longterm history of malicious activity, one can hope this doesn't go from bad to worse, but one has no reason for confidence that that is so.

Define "malicious activity" using actual historic references and not party-line rhetoric absent of factual basis.


How specifically, is it "bad" for a group of American citizens to participate in a peaceful protest? (I do believe, that is one of our fundamental rights, is it not? Or is it only allowed, when the protests are coming from the right-wing?)

Post 9: Let me know how it feels when they bus a mob onto your lawn, btw.

Who here is an AIG Exec getting a multi-million dollar bonus?


I'd like to echo NC's query in Post 10.


 
14Pancho Villa
      ID: 212122212
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 19:22
Well, it's not an embarrassment if Acorn is actually receiving "several billion dollars".

I would agree, which is why I made it a major component of of this thread.

Possibly the most egregious misuse of funds is the suggestion that 4.9 billion be set aside for "neighborhood stabilization activities." There are those who believe that's a synonym for ACORN.

AFAIK, there's been no distribution of these funds and no check written to ACORN for 'several billion dollares' or 20 dollars.

But this thread wasn't created to debate ACORN. It was created to characterize those organizing a protest against AIG bonuses as a mob, and all that implies. That's why it's embarrassing.
 
15Tree
      ID: 61411921
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 21:10
a close friend (and ex-girlfriend of mine) was one of the "crazies" that is referred to in that obscene link. as a photographer, she was hoping she might also get some interesting shots.

i was waiting for her write-up on the day, since it is truly a first person account. after reading her write up - about how terrified she was, about how few "activists" there were, i really can't believe people don't walk up to folks like Baldwin and laugh in their faces for being such complete and utter fools.

here's her write-up:

10:45 a.m: I have been at the Bridgeport ACORN offices for 10 minutes or so. So far I am the only activist to have shown up. I'm a little nervous about that. Bus is running late.

11:15 a.m.: I;m outside drinking coffee. Bus still late. More and more people are arriving... and they are all press. CNN is here. Getting even more nervous.

11:30 a.m We are briefed by the Working Families rep about how we are proceeding. Since there have been alleged death threats against the AIG executives, the plan is that the activists will remain on the bus while a delegation of activist spokespeople approach the executive's house and present them with a letter. I was looking forward to a different scenario, but they have been working closely with local police and this is the solution. I have to sign a promise of non-violence as well as clean language, behavior etc. We are told to go to the back of the bus, as some select members of the press will sit in the center to have access to the delegation of activist spokespeople.

11:45 a.m.: We the activists head across the street to the bus, through a gauntlet of news cameras. It was really intimidating. We literally had to climb over camera people to get on the actual bus. I'm shaking.

11:50 a.m.: Lindsay, one of the organizers, asks for volunteers to get off the bus and ride in the car with her. I volunteer, completely freaked out by the media circus around me, as well as wanting to be helpful in a stressful situation. I'm joined by 3 other people, and we lock the doors to avoid the press and wait for the caravan to take off.

12:30 p.m.: We arrive at the first house - the Haas house. Police are already there waiting for us. We stay in the car as per the agreement and watch the delegates and phalanx (great word!) of reporters head onto the estate. We get bored and head to Poling's house.. Again, police are already there as well as two private security guards at the driveway. As everything is running late, we start heading to Wilton for the rally at AIG offices.

2:00 p.m.: Arrive at AIG offices and wait for the bus to arrive. Press starts to arrive and a Constitutionalist and counter-protesting staunch fiscal Republican sympathetic to the AIG executives start having a heated conversation in front of the cameras. Great...

2:30 p.m.: They have scrapped the third house and the bus arrives with the rest of the activists. Signs are quickly distributed. I grab one and start chanting with the rest of them. There are so many reporters - I get a few shots in when I can, but I had realized early on that there were so few activists, I was not going to be able to shoot as much as I had planned. I was a protester today. Several spokespeople with nightmare stories about predatory lending told their stories for reporters in between chants. We yelled for about a half hour. I was able to take a few nice portraits of people holding signs with my Holga as we were standing around casually, getting ready to go.

4:30 p.m.: Here I sit in the quiet car of the Amtrak train back to NYC. While I didn't get the breadth and amount of shots that I wanted, the situation just wasn't right for me doing what I wanted to do. The situation demanded that I be more activist than photographer, so I was. I did shoot a roll and a half of Holga images, and if I get one or two good shots, that's all I really need for the overall series.

Still, I'm really psyched to have been there.


sure as heck sounds like one scary mob that was going to burn down houses!!! ohh, shiver, oh quake! oh be afraid!!!

anyway, i thought it was a very interesting account from her.
 
16DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Sun, Mar 22, 2009, 22:15
Damn kids exercising those pesky First Amendment rights. Need to repeal that one.
 
17Baldwin
      ID: 38241203
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 03:03
I of course predicted that electing Obama would lead to...

A) Dems in congress writing their own election workers government checks. No you wouldn't howl if republicans had tried that one. Of course not.

B) Obama's Acorn rent-a-mob would start showing up in individual people's lawns for their 'two minute hate'. Steve Allen once wrote a science fiction story where 'enemies of the state' were executed by being taken to a stadium where they were subjected to group hate.

But I predict it and you laugh. It comes true and you say, 'that was't so bad, I kinda liked it.' Not, 'Hey Baldwin was right, and so soon!'

C) No, ACORN hasn't cashed the check, but the money keeps getting written into the stimulous bills in the billions and they will most assuredly cash that check.
 
18nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 03:21

From your 2 minute hate link Baldwin

the Two Minutes Hate (more properly, "Two Minutes' Hate" or "Two-Minute Hate") is a daily period in which Party members of the society of Oceania must watch a film depicting The Party's enemies (notably Emmanuel Goldstein and his followers) and express their hatred for them and the principles of democracy.

What do these protests have to do with hating "democracy"? People are pissed because their 401k's have gone down the toilet. You don't get that? AIG is one of the biggest causes of the current problem. You don't get that?

What does it have to do with expressing hatred for democracy?

I'll try and find a good map and send it to you Baldwin because you are currently lost.

 
19Baldwin
      ID: 38241203
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 04:39
Special interest groups focusing on pressure points is very undemocratic. In fact it is using leverage to defeat the common good.
 
20Baldwin
      ID: 38241203
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 07:40
While we are at it, let's not be victims of sleight of hand.

AIG did not steal our money.

The banking committee in the House of Representatives put a gun to the head of the banking community and ordered them to hand over their money robbinhood style.
 
21Baldwin
      ID: 38241203
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 07:45
AIG was just [one of] the insurance company holding the policy against an attack by Robbinhood.
 
22Tree
      ID: 61411921
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 09:29
there are few things in life more enjoyable than reading the Daily Baldwin with my morning cup of coffee.

it's replaced the Onion for laughs a minute humour...

you guys know that in queens, not too far from my apartment, is Sunnyside Yard, where there is an ongoing project to increase access to the Long Island Railroad.

i have it on good authority - although i can't tell you who that authority is - that what is really being built is a very large detention camp.

the same goes for the High Line project, a project to turn an elevated abandoned railbed into a green way/park. apparently, this is secretly being build into gas chambers for mass killings. they'll just dump the bodies into the Hudson when they're done.

it's springtime, for obamaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...
 
23Perm Dude.
      ID: 7257237
      Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 10:00
The banking committee in the House of Representatives put a gun to the head of the banking community and ordered them to hand over their money robbinhood style.

AIG was bailed out by the Fed, during the last administration. The House (nor the Senate) voted on AIG bailouts.

Next wacko spout...
 
24Pancho Villa
      ID: 28321321
      Sat, Apr 04, 2009, 10:40
Unlikely champion for ACORN watch

Opponents of the liberal activist group ACORN have found an unlikely champion in House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers Jr., who is clashing with his own party to pursue hearings on accusations that the group has committed crimes ranging from voter fraud to a mob-style "protection" racket.

"I still want to do it and I probably will," Mr. Conyers, Michigan Democrat, told The Washington Times on Tuesday.

He dismissed the argument made by fellow Democrats that accusations of voter fraud and other crimes should be explored by prosecutors and decided in court, not by lawmakers in Congress.

"That's our jurisdiction, the Department of Justice," Mr. Conyers said. "That's what we handle - voter fraud. Unless that's been taken out of my jurisdiction and I didn't know it."

Mr. Conyers' continued commitment to hearings bristles Capitol Hill Democrats because it threatens to rekindle criticism of the financial ties and close cooperation between President Obama's campaign and ACORN and its sister organizations Citizens Services Inc. and Project Vote.


Good for Conyers. As long as ACORN is positioning itself for public funding, it's imperative that their activities are transparent, and that their activities rise above being an extension of the Democrat Party.

IMO, this is how conservatives should frame their opposition to ACORN, as opposed to hysterical "stole the election" and "rent-a-mob" claims. Granted, these tactics have illuminated ACORN in the public eye, which is a good thing, but now the focus should be whether public funds should be allotted to an organization that basically functions as a recruitment device for Democratic candidates in mostly urban and poverty-stricken areas.

For those who obsess with demonizing George Soros, this is also an opportunity to point out that ACORN's acceptance of private funding from Soros and his various foundations, while accepting public funding at the same time, is an apparent conflict of interest, a conflict not in the public interest.
 
25Boldwin
      ID: 1234847
      Sat, Apr 04, 2009, 11:59
Or it could just be a ruse to defuse future [inevitable] firestorms by claiming it was already investigated and cleared of 'wrongdoing'.

As if there was any chance that a publicly funded single party monopoly wasn't bad.

We've already seen Obama 'cleared' by organizations tied to Obama. And people right here on this board continue to act as if that legitmately ends the discussion.
 
26DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Sat, Apr 04, 2009, 12:17
Tied by you, you mean.
 
27Boldwin
      ID: 1234847
      Sat, Apr 04, 2009, 12:40
Meaning that the same people who produced the organization clearing Obama also produced and paid for Obama as a winning candidate.

And yes, I pointed that out already.
 
28Perm Dude
      ID: 3347318
      Sat, Apr 04, 2009, 13:57
Those stupid voters got duped by ACORN! Stupid people (when the vote Democratic, anyway).

What a silly empty gong you've become, Baldwin.
 
29Baldwin
      ID: 132854
      Sun, Apr 05, 2009, 06:57
Yeah, and what would you have written if Carl Rove had managed to siphon billions of federal dollars to 'Young Republicans'?

Stop drinking the koolaid before your last brain cell dies, PD.
 
30Boldwin
      ID: 08311010
      Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 12:15
Watch Acorn



 
31Boldwin
      ID: 08311010
      Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 22:05
Your billions of tax dollars to Acorn, already at work.
 
32sarge33rd
      ID: 17681812
      Fri, Sep 11, 2009, 09:50
ACORN, Clinton and Obama. What WOULD you do with your time were it not for these 3?
 
33Razor
      ID: 57854118
      Fri, Sep 11, 2009, 09:55
I have no issues with this.
 
34Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Fri, Sep 11, 2009, 10:31
Not now, Razor, but wait until ACORN takes over our health care system. What will you say then, huh?

There is no provision (I'VE LOOKED!) for any health care provider to check the credentials to make sure whether the patient is or is not an ACORN member. None at all.

Did I mention BILLIONS OF DOLLARS?
 
35boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Fri, Sep 11, 2009, 10:48
i like how when she multiplies 12 times 8000 and gets 9600 and she is giving tax advice....
 
36Boldwin
      ID: 18451112
      Fri, Sep 11, 2009, 13:52
I have no issues with this. - Razor

You seriously are ok with what those Acorn workers were doing facilitating what as far as they knew was child prostitution, child trafficing and finding ways to shield their pimp, his operation and his profits from scrutiny?

Sure, let's throw billions their way so we can get more of that. I guess Obama, Acorn trainer extraordinaire's work is done there.
 
37Tree, in Texas
      ID: 41371322
      Fri, Sep 11, 2009, 14:40
the employees were fired...

Baldwin's response to this should be predictable.
 
38Boldwin
      ID: 178581323
      Mon, Sep 14, 2009, 01:12
It must be a pristine place now, huh?
 
39sarge33rd
      ID: 9810147
      Mon, Sep 14, 2009, 08:10
isn't it odd, how when the Rep voter enrollment scandal came up a few years back; that was "just a few rogue workers and not an indictment of the party's processes", yet here, it is apparently NOT just a few rogue workers but IS an indictment of the entire organization.

When will the political spectrums (left AND right) apply to themselves, the same standard they try and hold the "other side" to?
 
40boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Mon, Sep 14, 2009, 10:00
isn't it odd, how when the Rep voter enrollment scandal came up a few years back; that was "just a few rogue workers and not an indictment of the party's processes", yet here, it is apparently NOT just a few rogue workers but IS an indictment of the entire organization.

looks like the kettle calling the pot black.
 
41Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Mon, Sep 14, 2009, 10:20
looks like the kettle calling the pot black.

What does this mean? Republicans who engaged in actual voter fraud should be immune from criticism because of ACORN?
 
42boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Mon, Sep 14, 2009, 10:33
no it means that one you should hold both groups to same standards either they both have a few bad apples or if there is smoke there is fire.
 
43Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Mon, Sep 14, 2009, 10:38
I think that is exactly what has happened. ACORN has been condemned on these boards (though nearly always with some context so that the lies from the GOP are corrected first).

pd
 
44boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Mon, Sep 14, 2009, 10:44
Outside of boldwin i don't see anyone condemning ACORN as whole...
 
45Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Mon, Sep 14, 2009, 10:47
Right. We try to avoid painting people with a wide brush unless, like Baldwin, they deserve it.

What was done (such as throughout the voter fraud thread), it to condemn what was done by ACORN.

I genuinely don't see any reason to condemn ACORN "as whole."
 
46Pancho Villa
      ID: 20823188
      Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 09:23
I genuinely don't see any reason to condemn ACORN "as whole." Congress disagrees

The House of Representatives approved an amendment Thursday that calls for halting government funding to the community organizing group ACORN.
The videos have sparked controversy over ACORN, already under fire amid election fraud claims.

The videos have sparked controversy over ACORN, already under fire amid election fraud claims.

The measure, added to a larger bill on reforming student loans that won House approval, follows a provision passed earlier in the week by the Senate that would halt Housing and Urban Development grants to ACORN.

 
47Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 09:41
Easy pickings. Congress never has a problem going after non-important, easy political targets. It is why they can condemn Joe Wilson, who already had apologized. And why they can try to cap executive pay. All politically easy targets.
 
48Razor
      ID: 57854118
      Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 09:43
The whole thing has been blown out of proportion. Is ACORN a corrupt organization? I don't know. But some politicians sure seem to think so based on what, a couple of videos made by a couple of people who were out to get ACORN? I don't get it. It's certainly possible that ACORN does a lot of good work despite having some bad seeds (pun intended).
 
49Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 09:48
ACORN's problems stem from a terrible business model, which had virtually no oversight on areas it should have (it took a grassroots organizational structure and tried to apply it to areas which should have more top-down directions).

The voting registration problems are a classic: Pay people to turn in names of "new voters" without checking to see if those names were real or not. Of course some of those people will be turning in fake names.

The wacky right seem to imply this was "voter fraud" which it never was (not one vote was cast which should not have as a result of this). But ACORN apparently never thought to have a mechanism in place to doublecheck if the information they were getting from the workers was true (the workers were incentivized to turn in names, not get actual new voters).

This is a bad business model, not a corrupt one.
 
50boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 10:12
Pay people to turn in names of "new voters" without checking to see if those names were real or not. Of course some of those people will be turning in fake names.....The wacky right seem to imply this was "voter fraud" which it never was (not one vote was cast which should not have as a result of this).

It sounds like ACORN could be some of the wasteful spending that Obama keeps talking about needing to cut. It sounds like the are not bad(intentions) organization just wasteful/badly run one.

 
51Pancho Villa
      ID: 20823188
      Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 10:27
This op/ed spells it out quite clearly

Given all the scrutiny, one would have expected ACORN to be doing everything in its power to make sure its activities were squeaky clean. Yet since the initial video was released last week showing ACORN workers in

Baltimore who appeared to be aiding and abetting criminal activity, activist filmmaker James O'Keefe has released two more showing similar behavior at ACORN offices in Washington and Brooklyn. The response from ACORN? Fire the workers involved and blame Fox News.

"We are the boogeyman for the right-wing and its echo chambers," reads a self-serving statement released Saturday by ACORN's chief organizer, Bertha Lewis. She claimed the videos were "doctored" and threatened legal action against Fox. What she didn't do is apologize for the appalling and possibly illegal behavior of ACORN employees, acknowledge that the organization has serious internal problems and vow to correct them, or do what she should have done as soon as the scandal was revealed: resign.

O'Keefe's hidden-camera methods are distasteful, and the extent to which his videos were edited is unknown. Their content is nonetheless devastating to ACORN -- so much so that, on Monday, the Senate voted overwhelmingly to withhold federal housing funds from the group. That's a shame because ACORN does worthwhile work in poor communities, helping people avoid foreclosure, giving them tax help and, yes, registering them to vote. If ACORN is to survive and retain a shred of credibility, it needs to stop deflecting blame and clean house.


To me, the selected outrage from the right rings hallow, since they were dead silent when billions of tax dollars were the subject of fraud, corruption and mismanagement from Halliburton, Custer Battles, Blackwater and other Iraqi contractors.

Not a peep of protest about a billion dollar Baghdad embassy built mostly with indentured servitude.

I don't care if it's ACORN or Halliburton, this country can ill-afford to keep throwing money down rabbit holes.

 
52Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 10:35
#51 Agreed.

That said, in the case of ACORN we're talking about all of $3.5m/yr over the past 15 years. It's not anything close to the same scale.
 
53biliruben
      Leader
      ID: 589301110
      Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 10:49
...and, it was probably getting a fair amount of people who would otherwise be unemployed, out there doing, on the margin, productive work that needs to be done.

Now we'll be spending that money for them to sit on the couch.

There is a fair amount of waste in every organization, though granted, probably something like ACORN has more than most.
 
54Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 13:58
More perspective on the right's selective outrage over ACORN
 
55walk
      ID: 147451314
      Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 15:54
Right, PV and MITH. What ACORN has been shown to do recently is not good, but also what they do in the grand scheme of things "outrage-wise" is somewhat miniscule compared to the other forms of corruption and mismanagement that take place on a scale that is eons grander. It's all wrong, but it's also a matter of selective outrage, and with ACORN the outrage is satirical based on their reach and scope. Again pandering to the idiots.
 
56biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 17:04
Yeah. This is just like the IRS unduly focusing on EITC, where poor people often claim a few extra bucks more than they should, and ignoring the 100s billions hidden away or fraudulently sheltered by the rich.
 
57Boldwin
      ID: 208211417
      Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 18:13
Selective rage? I hate everything about Acorn.
 
58Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 18:28
Selective rage? I hate everything about Acorn.

i don't know if you were being sarcastic and cute, or if the point regarding selective outrage went over your head...
 
59biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 18:41
Cute, I hope. He got a chuckle out of me, at any rate.
 
60Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 20:40
Massachusetts AG releases report about the ACORN case
 
61Frick
      ID: 9103036
      Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 20:46
Not to go all liberal outrage at Fox News on you, but it was the former AG.

Not that it makes a difference.

Did the AG not have the power to obtain the unedited videos?
 
62Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Dec 09, 2009, 00:32
According to the report, they attempted to contact the videographers to interview them but the requests were "ignored or declined."
 
63sarge33rd
      ID: 51146106
      Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 07:49
The most telling part of the link in 60, IMHO;

The videos that have been released appear to have been edited, in some cases substantially, including the insertion of a substitute voiceover for significant portions of Mr. O'Keefe's and Ms. Giles's comments, which makes it difficult to determine the questions to which ACORN employees are responding. A comparison of the publicly available transcripts to the released videos confirms that large portions of the original video have been omitted from the released versions.

Is there anyone here, who with proper editing, couldn't make almost ANY interaction depict similar levels of impropriety?
 
64Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 18:13
oooops.

ACORN gotcha man among four arrested for attempting to tamper with Mary Landrieu's office phones
 
65Mith
      ID: 43914286
      Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 18:21
Wiretapping a senator's office in a federal building? That boy is going to jail.
 
66Nuclear Gophers
      ID: 7115138
      Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 19:43
If hes found guilty, put him in jail.
 
67Seattle Zen
      ID: 1410391215
      Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 19:44
Who is the felon after all...?

Over/under on how quickly Baldwin dismisses these accusations with a cryptic, one sentence post is T minus 27 minutes.
 
68DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 19:51
I'll take the over.

Laying 7-1 on the mention of Linda Tripp though.
 
69Seattle Zen
      ID: 1410391215
      Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 20:00
You have action on Linda Tripp. No one even remembers her.
 
70DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 20:02
Booked!

Who taped Linda Tripp's calls? Aha! Therefore, "nobody" is a big mistake on your part.

Easiest imaginary money I've ever made.
 
71DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 20:03
The fair thing to do is self-delete these so it's not a bias on the "bet".
 
72Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 15:03
Wonder how many of these guys are backtracking right now as fast as they can?
 
73bibA
      ID: 01116297
      Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 15:24
Prediction - The right will excuse O'Keefe, saying that if his intent was to uncover corruption, he was not in violation of the law.
 
74boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 16:47
You would think people would hire professionals to do these types of things.
 
75Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 19:13
Heh.
 
76Balrog
      Dude
      ID: 02856618
      Wed, Jan 27, 2010, 20:39
Yep. At least G. Gordon Liddy was kinda cool in a Col. Flagg from MASH kinda way. This guy's just creepy.
 
77Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Sun, Mar 07, 2010, 11:29
well looky here...

from the NY Post: Brooklyn DA clears ACORN in videotaped scandal

From the NY Daily News: B'klyn ACORN cleared over giving illegal advice on how to hide money from prostitution

looks like "the hero" (soon to be know as "the felon") heavily spliced and edited the video tapes.

Colbert also weighs in:
The Colbert ReportMon - Thurs 11:30pm / 10:30c
Tip/Wag - James O'Keefe & Sean Hannity
www.colbertnation.com
Colbert Report Full EpisodesPolitical HumorSkate Expectations
 
78Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Sun, Mar 07, 2010, 23:01
(not shocked to see most of the posters here from the Right completely ignoring the reality of their former hero du jour)
 
79Mith
      ID: 58136177
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 07:48
I haven't seen the complete Brooklyn office video or what was cut out of it but if the DA cleared them it looks like this guy rocketed straight to Jayson Blair status in record time.

That said, as far as I know O'Keefe still deserves credit for exposing the employees in the Baltimore Acorn office. And the stuff about not really wearing the pimp outfit is mostly irrelevent.
 
80Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 08:50
And the stuff about not really wearing the pimp outfit is mostly irrelevent.

it's all relative. it's part of the larger charade, and plays a role in the pattern of deception.
 
81Boldwin
      ID: 53228720
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 10:48
O'keefe is indeed my hero, and when villians like ACORN and planned parenthood get burned in a sting, I sure don't care that those running the sting didn't announce their true intent up front.

A sting is a sting.
 
82Mith
      ID: 58136177
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 10:51
Are those Christian values or conservative values at work when you call the guy a hero after he apparently altered the record to falsely accuse the Brooklyn Acorn office?
 
84Mith
      ID: 58136177
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 10:56
Sorry I can't let this go. Post 81 is exhibit 1A in the delusional mindset of the modern hard political right. What in the world are you talking about? didn't announce their true intent up front? If this has anything to do with any of the previous posts, what could you possibly mean by his true intent?
 
85Boldwin
      ID: 53228720
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 11:18
You would think people would hire professionals to do these types of things. - Boikin

We tried that but the MSM wouldn't do their job so we had to recruit volunteers.
 
86Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 11:39
O'keefe is indeed my hero, and when villians like ACORN and planned parenthood get burned in a sting, I sure don't care that those running the sting didn't announce their true intent up front.

A sting is a sting.


no doubt. but this wasn't a sting - this was video spliced together to make one thing appear to be some different entirely.

perhaps you're ok with evidence tampering, to ensure someone goes to jail?

you've now said that it's ok to lie, deceive, and be dishonest in order to make a point.

then again, you've proven that in your own "work".

no shocker a future felon is your hero.
 
87Mith
      ID: 58136177
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 11:54
When the conservatrive agenda detatches itself from honesty then it's no longer a conservative agenda.

Whatever is left, where perception trumps reality, is what the hard right has instead embraced.
 
88Mith
      ID: 58136177
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 11:57
An interesting comparison would be the number of liberals who shamelessly stuck by the reporting of Jayson Blair with conservatives who will insist that O'Keefe is still their hero.
 
89sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 14:37
O'keefe is indeed my hero, and when villians like ACORN and planned parenthood get burned in a sting, I sure don't care that those running the sting didn't announce their true intent up front.


True enough, a sting IS a sting. And O'Keefe has been stung.

When running a sting, you dont ask a series of questions, and then edit the video/audio to alter the answers given to each question. Thats called fraud. And if a Dem or left-wing association had done such to the RNC or *gasp* AC; you'd be up in arms over it. Yet with O'Keefe, you call him "my hero".

Really Boldy, is there ANYTHING else about you that needs to be said, to shine adequate light upon your blind and unbridled bias?
 
90Boldwin
      ID: 53228720
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 16:24
A more interesting comparison is with the liberals who stuck with the NYT after they published the Pentagon papers.
 
92biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 17:05
you are doing it again. If you must attack, attack ideas, don't attack Baldwin.

It really is clear you can't help yourself. For the sake of the forum, just don't respond to him at all.
 
93Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 17:06
What the Times did with the Pentagon papers wasn't dishonest. Nor did they try to spin the truth. In fact, it is the opposite of the "sting" operations on ACORN--the Times didn't take the government's word for what was happening and spoke truth to power.

What a sad thing that conservatives are now reduced to sniping against the very kinds of things which protect their rights from an overreaching government, simply because they don't like the party of the current president.
 
94Boldwin
      ID: 53228720
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 17:35
What the Times did with the Pentagon papers wasn't dishonest. - PD

What the NYT did would get them shot if the legal system and the tenor of the times still recognized treason.
 
95Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 17:40
dishonesty is dishonesty.

It's hard to picture a man who might very well go to prison for his dishonesty and deception as a "hero".
 
96Boldwin
      ID: 53228720
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 18:03
Linda Tripp is my hero too, and liberals tried to frame her too.
 
97Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 18:05
"Frame her" for what, exactly?

"Frame her" is not the same as "holding her in contempt."

You're right about the Times: One thing we know is that a Press which bows to the President and accepts what they say as true is really, really good for democracy in general and the United States in particular. Let's shut down newsmax for treasonous reasons, OK?
 
98Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 18:14
liberals tried to frame her too.

no one tried to frame O'Keefe. He tried to illegally wiretap a senator's office, and he doctored a videotape to make it appear to be something he wasn't.

you, should, by the way, looking into the Brooklyn DA, Charles Hynes. He's a Democrat, a leader and innovator in investigating Medicaid fraud, prosecuted Kings County (Brooklyn) Democratic Party chief Clarence Norman Jr. for extortion and and grand larceny, has prosecuted judges accused of taking bribes, and worked hand-in-hand with Rudy Guiliani on several issues.

i seriously doubt he tried to frame O'Keefe. It's a pretty serious accusation though, so if there are facts to back that accusation up, i think they oughta be presented, because it would be a mighty big deal.
 
99Boldwin
      ID: 53228720
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 18:27
And just listen and look for the unedited portions of that videotape! They advised them on so many unscrupulous and illegal activities that the only way Acorn could have been acquited was a corrupt big city democrat machine DA.

Chicagoans can point you to thousands of well known criminals walking around unprosecuted. So famous everyone knows their mafia knickname.
 
100DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 18:43
"And if she floats... SHE'S A WITCH!!!!!!"
 
101Boldwin
      ID: 53228720
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 23:26
I’m just glad to know that Hynes conducted a thorough “investigation” first. Who did he have screen the videotapes, Gov. Paterson?

If his investigators had actually watched the videotapes, they would have found ACORN employees apparently advising a pimp and prostitute on how to defraud mortgage lenders, deposit prostitution money in a bank, hide money from the government and avoid detection while running a whorehouse with teenage girls from El Salvador.

I’m not a lawyer — oh, wait, yes, I am — but I count approximately a half-dozen state law crimes being discussed on those tapes, from money laundering to advancing prostitution.

In a “Eureka” moment, ACORN Employee-of-the-Month Volda Albert identifies for O’Keefe and Giles the problem they had been having getting a mortgage:

Albert: Um, is it legalized? Is prostitution legalized in New York state?

O’Keefe: It’s not. It’s not, unfortunately.

Albert: Well see, that’s your problem.

As ACORN employee Milagros Rivera said, “You can’t say what you do for a living because of the law.” But displaying ACORN’s can-do attitude, she explained: “Honest is not going to get you a house.”

ACORN employees helped concoct a scheme to hide from the lender the source of O’Keefe and Giles’ down payment money. Albert suggested that O’Keefe “pay a down payment — or (Giles) can transfer to somebody else, who is not in that business … a close friend, then (Giles) can transfer that, and then he can give you, like, a gift to purchase.”

Under New York law, hiding the true source of down payment money from a lender constitutes mortgage fraud. Also, using the proceeds of criminal conduct in any banking transaction is money laundering.

Does anybody need a flow chart at this point, or should I continue?

To help Giles hide her income from turning tricks, ACORN employee Albert advised Giles to open two banking accounts, depositing no more than $500 per week in each one. (This would not only enable her to conceal her illegal earnings, it would also qualify her for free checking.)

But Albert’s most inspired idea was that Giles get a “house with a backyard. You get a tin can … and bury (your money) down in there, and you put the money right in, and you put grass over it, and you don’t tell a single soul but yourself where it is.”

Back when I was in Louisiana, we advised people to put their illegal money in the freezer, but that didn’t work out so well. And I guess putting your money in a mattress isn’t advisable if you live in a whorehouse.

Anyway, Albert was particularly detailed on the tin-can-in-the-backyard investment plan: “Keep thinking: ‘I have a yard. I have a house.’ You gotta start coming out with, like, plants and you start doing — so it won’t be suspicious. You start buying plants for the backyard in pots and what have you, and you mark a spot.”

She later told Giles: “You are not paying Social Security, so you’ll have society, all right? You are not getting a pension, so you need to save that money for in later years.” ACORN: Helping Plan Your Financial Future.

If only shady lawyers advised clients to bury money in cans in their backyards, instead of putting it in tax shelters, we wouldn’t have all those attorneys clogging up prison cells!

The ACORN employees also stressed that Giles should do nothing to attract attention to her prostitution money. Albert said: “You can buy a decent car for yourself, no big fancy thing to attract people, all right?”

In Albert’s defense, this could have been common etiquette advice. No one likes a showy hooker.

Even after Giles explained her plan to house a “slew” of 13-, 14- and 15-year-old girls from El Salvador for her prostitution business, Rivera simply responded: “So you guys ready to schedule that (mortgage application) for the summer?”

Rivera clearly missed her calling — she should be pushing vacation time shares in Boca Raton beach condos.

Under New York law, a person is guilty of advancing prostitution if he: “knowingly … aids a person to commit or engage in prostitution (or) … engages in any other conduct designed to institute, aid or facilitate an act or enterprise of prostitution.”

It is a class D felony (up to seven years in prison) if the prostitute is under 19 years old — as the ACORN employees knew Giles was — and a class C felony (up to 15 years in prison) if the prostitute is under 16 years old — as Giles stated the El Salvadoran girls were. (And if she’s under 15 years old, Eliot Spitzer may be involved.)

If none of the advice given by ACORN on those videotapes constitutes conspiracy or aiding or abetting a crime, see this column next week for my opus: “10 Detailed Plans to Kill George Soros and Why This Might Be Right for You.” - AC
 
102Pancho Villa
      ID: 29118157
      Tue, Mar 09, 2010, 08:33
Except for the last sentence, that's a good column by Coulter.
 
103Boldwin
      ID: 362262121
      Mon, Mar 22, 2010, 14:27
How does Rush do it? He hits this prediction out of the park.

Walgreens has announced that they cannot make a profit on them and are refusing new Medicare customers. Expect Acorn to bus in the protesters.

No telling how they manage to target the 20%+ and rising percentage of doctors who will be refusing Medicare clients.
 
104Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Mon, Mar 22, 2010, 15:10
Actually, is is Medicaid patients, not Medicare. When you predict the wrong thing, is it still "out of the park?"

 
105Boldwin
      ID: 362262121
      Mon, Mar 22, 2010, 17:25
I never could keep those two straight and may never.

But there is no question that the government's poor reimbursement level as well as timeliness makes their clients highly undesirable. You can't talk to anyone in the medical field without hearing horror stories about getting reimbursed from the states and the federal government.
 
106Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Mon, Mar 22, 2010, 21:08
I agree. Increasing those rates are a key to better care. I can't help but think that all those people are getting sloppy care (at best) because the government has cut the reimbursables to at or below cost to the providers.
 
107sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Tue, Mar 23, 2010, 08:19
With ACORN disbanding, one has to wonder who will be Boldwins bogeyman now?

"ACORN has faced a series of well-orchestrated, relentless, well-funded right wing attacks that are unprecedented since the McCarthy era," she said. "The videos were a manufactured, sensational story that led to rush to judgment and an unconstitutional act by Congress."
 
108Texas Flood
      ID: 7101698
      Tue, Mar 23, 2010, 12:35
Not to worry the same rats will just crawl into another hole.
 
109DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Tue, Mar 23, 2010, 14:27
Well, of course. Fox News has a lot of holes.
 
115Boldwin
      ID: 362262121
      Tue, Mar 23, 2010, 17:21
Check out the number of dodgy name changes the 'Hemlock Society' has been thru for some idea of Acorn's future.
 
116Boldwin
      ID: 362262121
      Fri, Mar 26, 2010, 01:06
Done in by their own prejudiced beliefs, Obama's team were so sure that having the black caucus walk thru the tea partiers would produce racist insults that they didn't bother with a plant.

But no such thing happened, so they had to lie.
 
117Boldwin
      ID: 362262121
      Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 20:22
Same criminal, different alias.
 
118tree on the treo
      ID: 287212811
      Fri, Apr 02, 2010, 21:28
you've already made it clear you approve of criminal activity.
 
119Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 12:24
more lies exposed from O'Keefe....

amazing how many people on the right, and left, were duped by this fraud. and a shame, too.

re post 81 - still your hero?
 
120Boldwin
      ID: 634489
      Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 17:34
The fact not yet proven, that one of those Acorn workers reported the crime, does not make O'keefe a liar. The fact that he showed himself in a pimp outfit just makes him a showman. The fact is that those Acorn workers had an unbelievably and creatively helpful attitude toward enabling the worst sort of behavior and I for one do not believe they all intended to rush to the phone and drop a dime on them. I believe that tape revealed a very real criminal enterprise and it certainly wasn't O'keefe. We've seen this kill the messenger act before and it didn't take the stain out of the blue dress either.
 
121Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 18:28
the tape is EXACTLY what revealed O'Keefe to be a very real criminal.
 
122Boldwin
      ID: 634489
      Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 19:10
You can go bury that out back in a tin.
 
123DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Thu, Apr 08, 2010, 20:26
As long as the backyard is yours, it'll make a perfect threesome with you and your pet ostrich.
 
124Boldwin
      ID: 33122116
      Tue, Feb 01, 2011, 20:49
Planned Parenthood aiding and abetting underage sex slave operation.

This is what happens when you make morality the only sin you recognize and tolerate every sin.
 
125Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Feb 01, 2011, 21:12
Hahahaha! I knew you would take that bait. Nice one.

Your should demand visitation rights to your critical thinking skills.
 
126Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 00:48
Meanwhile, in Philly, prosecutors are having a hard time coming up with voters who were intimidated by the New Black Panther Party.
 
127Boldwin
      ID: 33122116
      Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 00:53
So it was just our lying eyes which only thot we saw tall black dudes with billyclubs in hand in front of polling places.

Maybe those were rolled up newspapers and they were just waiting for a taxi-ride home, huh? No, no intention to intimidate, never happened.
 
128Boldwin
      ID: 33122116
      Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 00:55
The beauty of having it on video. 8]
 
129Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 00:58
I guess you read what you want to read these days. You saw what you saw. What you didn't have were actual intimidated voters. Guess they should have watched FOX to know that they were intimidated.
 
130Tree
      ID: 320371412
      Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 07:50
say, you're scared of tall black dudes?

interesting.
 
131Boldwin
      ID: 33122116
      Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 10:31
Let's just have a look.

And let's hear what they have to say.

Naw, let's go ahead and let them stand in front of polling places. If the Obama justice dept says it's no big deal...
 
132Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 10:53
More edited videos? You think you would have learned your lesson the first couple of times.

You can't dodge the truth: Not one voter has been found who say they were intimidated. Not one.
 
133Khahan
      ID: 13126822
      Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 11:04
Boldwin,

Do you think the 'non-tall weaponless non-black people' in the background of that video who are standing around completely unconcerned and unaffected are the intimidated voters?

The only one who appeared intimidated in that video was the one recording. And he initiated the confrontation.
 
134Boldwin
      ID: 33122116
      Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 11:16
Put white robes on those guys and tell me you'd all be making the same absurd justifications.
 
135Boldwin
      ID: 33122116
      Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 11:18
White guys, white ghost sheets and weapons. "Well since no one wanted to testify against them they musta been purdy pleasant, eh boy?"
 
136Tree, not at home
      ID: 3910441615
      Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 14:24
Put white robes on those guys and tell me you'd all be making the same absurd justifications.

comparing a bunch of black guys standing around and a grand total of ZERO voters who said they were intimidated, to the KKK and their history of intimidation, violence, and murder, is EXACTLY the sort of comparsion you would make, and see absolutely nothing wrong with.
 
137Khahan
      ID: 373143013
      Thu, Feb 03, 2011, 16:30
Actually I'll agree with Boldwins point in a general sense. Those 2 guys standing out there with batons, and scowling faces and dressed like they are...well they do look like thugs. If Boldwin believes their purpose is to intimidate white voters then the comparison to sending guys out in sheets to intimidate black voters is spot on.

And he's right, there would be no making excuses or looking the other way.


I live just outside of Philadelphia. And yes there were multiple reports after the presidential election of militants outside of voting areas.


However, here's where boldwins accusations fall flat. In this particular case, there was 0 intimdation going on. At the time the 'reporter' walks up, those 2 guys really are just standing there. And there are multiple people milling about near them that do not look in the least bit intimidated, cowed or frightened.
 
138Boldwin
      ID: 24144315
      Thu, Feb 03, 2011, 16:59
Why do you suppose they put away their batons when the police showed up?
 
139DWetzel at work
      ID: 49962710
      Thu, Feb 03, 2011, 17:08
Because they are law-abiding citizens who don't want to accidentally get shot by an itchy-trigger cop who mistakes them for someone actually causing trouble?

For someone who ostensibly supports people's right to bear arms, you sure seem upset about black guys walking around with batons in public. Perhaps you'd be more comfortable if they were brandishing handguns?
 
140Tree, not at home
      ID: 3910441615
      Thu, Feb 03, 2011, 17:39
that last line of 139 is brilliant.
 
141Boldwin
      ID: 24144315
      Thu, Feb 03, 2011, 19:52
All you have to do to see how ludicrous you two are is to insert KKK into a similar situation and see if your case still holds water.
 
142DWetzel
      ID: 31111810
      Thu, Feb 03, 2011, 20:19
Try inserting "random white dude in a wife beater shirt" instead and see how you'd feel. You're the one comparing them to the KKK.

All of which, of course, ignores the question -- are you against these guys exercising their second amendment rights or not?
 
143Tree
      ID: 320371412
      Thu, Feb 03, 2011, 21:12
All you have to do to see how ludicrous you two are is to insert KKK into a similar situation and see if your case still holds water.

which goes back to you not responding to post 136.

they aren't even comparable. a group of black men standing around, vs. the KKK.

i mean, unless you're a bigot. and perhaps a racist.
 
144Boldwin
      ID: 49030519
      Fri, Jan 06, 2012, 20:02
Acorn gets in line to receive Countrywide settlement money in a case it was not a party to.
The untold story of the Obama Administration’s widely reported, $335 million discrimination settlement with Countrywide Financial Corporation is that, under a secret Justice Department program, a chunk of the money won’t go to the “victims” but rather leftist groups not connected to the lawsuit.
The Department Of Justice doing the Chicago Shakedown.
 
145Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Thu, Jan 12, 2012, 11:01
Boldwin's hero is a repeat offender...

James O'Keefe's Group Appears to Commit Voter Fraud in Order to Gin Up Hysteria Over Non-Existent Fraud Problem
The undercover video shows unnamed individuals working at O’Keefe’s behest approaching polling stations throughout New Hampshire. After poll workers asked for the person’s name, O’Keefe’s agents gave the name of a voter who died within the past few weeks, before then receiving a ballot to vote. The individuals asked the poll workers if they needed ID to prove their identity, and when poll workers confirmed that they did not, O’Keefe’s men insisted on returning to their car to retrieve their ID and returned the ballot.

However, in highlighting the non-problem of voter fraud in New Hampshire and elsewhere, O’Keefe’s agents appear to have committed voter fraud themselves.

The level of righteous indignation needed to commit crimes in order to prove that they can be committed is rather high.
A mystery man trying to vote in the New Hampshire primary using a dead man’s name got caught by an eagle-eyed voting supervisor in Manchester, then disappeared before police could corral him.

“We take a lot of pride in this primary,” Gloria Pilotte, the Ward 9 supervisor who stopped the voter fraud, told the Herald. “I’m very confident about the way we do this in New Hampshire.”

The unknown man, dressed in a suit and tie, did not say why he was trying to vote as the recently deceased person and would not identify any group he was representing.

“He said ‘You’ll soon find out,’ ” Pilotte tells the Herald.

People around here spend time in jail for simply driving while poor. This a$$hole needs to spend a month in jail, pure and simple.
 
146Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 11:50
O'Keefe to pay $100k settlement to former ACORN employee.
 
147Boldwin
      ID: 2924816
      Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 17:07
I too once made a nuisance settlement. I very annoying fact of life in this litigious society. But that is the price of being a superhero.
 
148Tree
      ID: 2510132311
      Fri, Mar 08, 2013, 18:07
Criminals = super heroes in your world.
 
149Boldwin
      ID: 294281510
      Wed, May 15, 2013, 11:28
Second term: Funneling cash to 'community organizers' like there's no tomorrow.

Sebellius: Acorn types getting your tax dollars to recruit dem voters as they strong arm them into Obamacare.

In the senate immigration bill, Acorn types raking in your big bucks to educate immigrants on how to tap the system.