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Subject: Political Baseball 2010

Posted by: Seattle Zen - Leader [055343019] Sun, Jan 31, 2010, 20:56

Probably time to ask for a head count. I don't remember anyone expressing a desire to leave, it would be nice to not have any turn over for another year.

What say ye? I say, "Here".

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Jan 31, 2010, 21:28

That's pretty freaky--I was just thinking this afternoon that we should do a head count.

I'm in. Happy to commish again unless someone else wants to do it.

biliruben
ID: 16105237
Sun, Jan 31, 2010, 22:51

here

C1-NRB
ID: 5115723
Sun, Jan 31, 2010, 23:27

Here

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Feb 01, 2010, 01:35

Hank Blalock (Tex - 1B,3B)
*Michael Brantley (Cle - OF)
Orlando Cabrera (Min - SS)
Jeff Francoeur (NYM - OF)
Aubrey Huff (SF - 1B,3B)
Maicer Izturis (LAA - 2B,3B,SS)
*Ryan Ludwick (StL - OF)
*Víctor Martínez (Bos - C,1B)
*Hideki Matsui (LAA - OF)
Scott Podsednik (KC - OF)
*Manny Ramírez (LAD - OF)

Mark Buehrle (CWS - SP)
Doug Davis (Mil - SP)
Jon Garland (SD - SP)
Jeremy Guthrie (Bal - SP)
LaTroy Hawkins (Mil - RP)
*Ubaldo Jiménez (Col - SP)
Mike MacDougal (Was - RP)
*Joe Nathan (Min - RP)
Tomo Ohka (Cle - SP,RP)
John Smoltz (StL - SP)

Tentative keepers marked. All in all, a motley crew. I probably won't part with Manny, VMart, Jimenez or Nathan (or the #1 pick) unless a very good deal comes along, but pretty much everyone else is trade bait.

Building 7
ID: 471052128
Mon, Feb 01, 2010, 08:59

I'm in.

Pancho Villa
ID: 29118157
Mon, Feb 01, 2010, 09:29

Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Mon, Feb 01, 2010, 16:28

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 05:53

Yo I'm in, I will send Action an email also.

Action Figure
ID: 191051289
Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 09:53

Let's play ball.

Boldwin
ID: 26451820
Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 10:10

omnipresent

Tree, on lunch
ID: 570552512
Tue, Feb 02, 2010, 11:43

of course i'll be back to defend my crown.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Feb 05, 2010, 01:49

Checked in are bolded:

Action Figures
Baldwin
Building 7
Coldwater Coyotes
Nerveclinic
C1-NRB
Myboyjack
Tree
Perm Dude
Pancho
Seattle Zen
Taxman
Punk
biliruben

coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Tue, Feb 09, 2010, 13:12

I am in.
As I have not contributed to this site during the last year feel free
to throw me out of the league however I have just sold my
company and have plenty of time to work on dominating the
league.
My politics are still left of center. Let me know if you need my
opinion on the religious right, Palin, bailing out GM, gay bishops,
deposit taking banks gambling on derivatives, the cost of the Iraq
war, George Cheney, Buddhism, Manchester United or John Terry's
sex life.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Feb 09, 2010, 13:22

Sold your company! Good for you.

So far it seems to be working for you, what with the Football Pickoff come-from-behind win.

Seattle Zen
ID: 1410391215
Tue, Feb 09, 2010, 13:40

We definitely have had a dearth of comments on George Cheney recently. Have at it!

Seattle Zen
ID: 1410391215
Tue, Feb 09, 2010, 16:29

As for Buddhism:

Would you agree that by branding it "Hinayana" as compared to "Mahayana", judgment has been cast?

boldwin
ID: 441481016
Wed, Feb 10, 2010, 17:48

Did you sell it to someone who will do the type of interesting projects you did? Or play it safe retreads?

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Wed, Feb 10, 2010, 19:35

Thanks Fred, SZ for thumping me on the noggin. I am up in the air about participating this year. Wife's health is ??. We are to meet with an electro cardiologist next week and hope to have an idea of what we are dealing with. She's been opened up twice to work on valve and she been bouncing in/out of Atrial Fibrillation (and yeah..she has already suffered a stroke 32 years ago@ age 28)

I do not want to slow things up..but until I get a good read on her health I am "undecided". If you need to move on w/o me that is fine and probably best for league as I don't know when we will find/obtain solution. Maybe next week...maybe in several months.

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Wed, Feb 10, 2010, 19:36

Olahhhhhh.

I'm going stir crazy from this freakin snow!

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Feb 10, 2010, 19:40

I think we can wait a little bit still, particularly in the hopes of getting a full squad of managers back.

Seattle Zen
Leader
ID: 055343019
Thu, Feb 11, 2010, 00:04

You can just come out and admit that your wife is the baseball brains of your outfit :)

Do hope for her improved health.

boldwin
ID: 441481016
Thu, Feb 11, 2010, 04:46

Taxman

I'd take a look at this before I had her opened up again.

Speaking as someone with heart problems who is looking into this myself. Not throwing away the Coreg which definately saved my life or ignoring what my heart doctor says, but I'm for sure going on this guys regimine before surgery.

biliruben
ID: 16105237
Thu, Feb 11, 2010, 10:02

Man. You are so consumed by concerns of conspiracies around every corner, you have lost all ability to discern truth from quackery.

boldwin
ID: 481371112
Thu, Feb 11, 2010, 16:51

Yeah, nutrition is quackery.

I don't buy every anecdote, but nutrition is not quackery.

biliruben
ID: 16105237
Thu, Feb 11, 2010, 17:30

No, nutrition is not quackery. But you don't have to by onions from a tv huckster who has the gall to call himself "doctor". Try the grocery store.

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Thu, Feb 11, 2010, 22:08

Thanks for the extension. I'll ck in next Monday with an update.

nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Fri, Feb 12, 2010, 12:36

I have the following players to offer in trades or for draft picks. or the right player could combine 2-3.

Mariano Rivera, Mark Reynolds, Aaron Hill, Youkillis, Verlander, Nick Markakis

Please use the attached email the one connected with Yahoo BB is for spam.

biliruben
ID: 461142511
Fri, Feb 12, 2010, 15:45

2009 Transaction Thread

2009 Discussion Thread

2009 Draft Thread

2009 Keeper Thread

I can't find the prospect draft.

Tree
ID: 248472317
Fri, Feb 12, 2010, 16:46

2009 Prospect Draft

biliruben
ID: 461142511
Fri, Feb 12, 2010, 17:51

FYI: Between busts, busted up, and busted for murder, I may have only 2 solid prospect keepers.

If anyone is struggling with a 4 solid, maybe we can work out something.

Tree
ID: 248472317
Fri, Feb 12, 2010, 18:48

between getting killed by a drunk driver and call-ups, i've only got 2 prospect keepers as well.

I'm opening the Hot Stove League.

Among guys I'm looking to potentially move:
Andrew McCutchen
David Aardsma
Phil Hughes
Jonathan Papelbon
Rick Porcello
K-Rod
Rajai Davis
Drew Stubbs
Jose Valverde
Adam Wainwright

I'm mostly looking for draft picks. If you're a team in need of re-building, there are a slew of young guys here that could be long term assets to your squad, and i'm not opposed to package deals either.

nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Sat, Feb 13, 2010, 05:04

Tree did you call up McCutchen or is he still a prospect.

Tree
ID: 248472317
Sat, Feb 13, 2010, 10:48

he surpassed the rookie minimum, so i had to call him up. between call-ups and a death, i'll be majorly re-stocking my prospect team this season.

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Wed, Feb 17, 2010, 18:29

Update re me for 2010 season. Met with EP Cardioligst..wife not in atrial fibulation...but has atrial flutter resulting from knife work (admirably performed) during her last valve repair job. She is experiencing a short circuit in the electronic charges in her heart often causing/resulting in the left atrium (or both) to beat twice for every beat of the left ventricle. Can be potentially solved with a cath proceedure scheduled for next Tuesday. We'll find out. All appearances are that she will be fine, but needs to look at retirement seriously.

HOWEVER: Following week (March 2nd) I'm in for a nose (Turbinet Reduction) job. If you choose to wait for me, I should be a go around March 5 or 6.

btw aging sucks

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Feb 17, 2010, 18:32

Nice. Is this the first year everyone is back?

I'll work up a schedule with this in mind, Taxman.

Biliruben movin
ID: 358252515
Wed, Feb 17, 2010, 21:08

Have you looked into eblation for the flutter, tax? Kinda
wacky, but works for some.

nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Wed, Feb 17, 2010, 21:44

Certainly working around Taxes schedule if it means he returns is well worth the wait. Good luck next Tuesday.

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Thu, Feb 18, 2010, 09:33

Billie...Thanks for suppling correct terminology.

The proceedure next week will be a cardiac ablation using several catherters to cauterizes a section of one or both atrial chambers. The Ablation process

biliruben
ID: 16105237
Thu, Feb 18, 2010, 09:43

Ablation. Right. Looked into it a couple years ago for a friend. Didn't work for him (his heart is essentially one giant short-circuit, so they couldn't find the nodes to zap), but I've heard it can be very effective, and fairly low risk.

Just a layman's perspective after reading a couple papers.

I got the feeling they don't quite understand all the physiology of why it works, but it does.

Good luck to you and your wife.

Building 7
ID: 471052128
Mon, Feb 22, 2010, 09:05

Trade announcement:

Building 7 trades his 5th round pick to nerveclinic for Aaron Hill, 2B and his 9th round draft choice.

Seattle Zen
Leader
ID: 055343019
Mon, Feb 22, 2010, 10:08

Nice trade, B7. Nerve traded away his good second baseman.

Building 7
ID: 471052128
Mon, Feb 22, 2010, 10:33

Yeah, he wanted to keep Cano. I'm hoping Hill is not a one-year wonder.

Boldwin
ID: 111562213
Mon, Feb 22, 2010, 15:35

Can I get anything for the 29 yr old Flyin' Hawaiin?

SB's anyone?

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Mon, Feb 22, 2010, 16:34

Trade confirmed keeping Cano who Zen hates. He was wrong last
year confident he will be wrong again.

Oh yeah Zen told me last spring Mauer was a bum...8-]

Seattle Zen
Leader
ID: 055343019
Mon, Feb 22, 2010, 19:41

As a Twin fan, I have NEVER called Mauer a bum. Until last year, I simply questioned his power. He's erased my doubts.

You sound like a Miami/San Diego/Dubai real estate agent pitching Cano, Nerve. Good luck with that.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Feb 22, 2010, 22:20

Manny available if anyone wants to roll the dice.

nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Tue, Feb 23, 2010, 12:08

LMFAO

Zen you really don't want to revisit that do you? You mocked me for selecting Cano in the first round last year?

Essentially that's actually the 8th round with 7 keepers.

7x14= 98 + I picked 11th so the 109th pick of the draft.

So at 109 I got 103 Runs, 85 RBI's, 25 HR's and 5 SB's along with a elite .320 BA and you my friend got egg chow mein on your face.

He ended the season number 33 on the yahoo rater.

Can't you man up and admit how pathetic the ridicule you poured on at the time is now?

Seattle Zen
ID: 1410391215
Tue, Feb 23, 2010, 12:31

You will look longingly at Aaron Hill this year, Nerve, and I know you won't "man up" about it, ever.

nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Tue, Feb 23, 2010, 12:36

Zen 2009 post Draft Musings...

"Nerve takes Robinson Cano next. I can’t believe it, this is a terrible pick. Dude, you left Brad Lidge on the board to pick up a back-up second baseman? Plus, I have been screaming from the mountaintops how much I hate Cano."

My response at the time...

"Cano is a .303 lifetime batter who is just turning 27. Yeah his first half was horrible last year but he batted .307 after the all star break so he appears to have turned things around and he bats in the middle of the an all star line up. He batted .342 in 2006 in over 400 AB's. That is talent that I hope he finds again. "

All true and near psychic...

Zen then inserts foot into moth with this now classic line...

"If you planned on using that draft pick as one of your UTIL players, there were at least 50 players better on the board than Cano. I stand by my statement that Kelly Johnson will outperform Robby this year. "

OMG can you still taste shoe leather Zen?

What do you mean "real estate salesman"? I am keeping him, I am not offering him to anyone, Keeper.

I have an inside tip there will be a great bargain for you in this years draft. Kelly Johnson is likely to be available toward the end of the draft, ya gonna dip your toe in that water twice?

Seattle Zen
ID: 1410391215
Tue, Feb 23, 2010, 12:49

What do you mean "real estate salesman"? I am keeping him, I am not offering him to anyone, Keeper.

You are selling him to yourself.

I was wrong. Kelly Johnson, amongst others, outperformed Cano in 2008, he didn't repeat the feat in 2009. I'm sure the list that outperform Cano in 2010 will be long, but Kelly Johnson will not be on it, Aaron Hill probably will.

Tree
ID: 23143812
Tue, Feb 23, 2010, 13:53

I'm sure the list that outperform Cano in 2010 will be long, but Kelly Johnson will not be on it, Aaron Hill probably will.

i'll wade into these waters, and say that i think you'll be regretting this statement as well next season.

i don't see Hill hitting 25 homers or collecting 100 ribbies this season.

Seattle Zen
ID: 1410391215
Tue, Feb 23, 2010, 14:35

i don't see Hill hitting 25 homers or collecting 100 ribbies this season.

Aaron could do neither and still have a better season than Cano.

Tree
ID: 23143812
Tue, Feb 23, 2010, 15:44

Aaron could do neither and still have a better season than Cano.

not if he hits 40 points below him again.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Feb 23, 2010, 16:03

That's the question, though, isn't it? Does 10-15 more dingers (and probably 15 ribbies) overcome Cano's 15-20 points in average? Hill has significant enough advantages in two categories that I'd say he's better than Cano, but if he doesn't then Cano has the advantage playing in Yankee stadium for half his games.

All the Yankees responded last year to the new stadium. Zen believes that Cano's mean is 2008 and he could be right. To be a better player, Cano would not only have to have the same season as last year, but Hill would have to have the season Cano had in 2008.

Boldwin
ID: 111562213
Tue, Feb 23, 2010, 18:47

To be fair to SZ I think we all expected better from Kelly Johnson than he has provided since SZ made that. And Hill and Cano could easily put up a clunker of a year. I don't feel either is rock solid. There is a big spread on their reasonable performance prediction.

Boldwin
ID: 111562213
Tue, Feb 23, 2010, 18:55

Maybe positional scarcity makes up for it but I just think those two cost too much.

Building 7
ID: 43735169
Tue, Feb 23, 2010, 19:42

Hill vs Cano article dated today

Some of those comments are really by nerve and Zen in disguise.

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 13:47

I'm not on a hill top screaming Cano will be better then Hill. I
think all things considered they both could do well. I just picked
the one I think has upside compared to the one that likely just
had a career year.

Zen "
Aaron could do neither and still have a better season than Cano."

Of course we already know what your track record is on
predicting Cano's performance.

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 14:04

When did I suddenly become the guy dissing Hill? It KJ I was
dissing.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 16:42

I was going to renew the league, but thought I'd check if anyone wanted any changes in the settings. I'm going to make the yearly pitch to change AVG to OBP to reward batters (and their managers) who take walks. Anyone man enough to help me out?

Seattle Zen
ID: 1410391215
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 16:54

I was going to renew the league

Now that real-time scoring is free, what is the pro/con for going Premium?

Biliruben movin
ID: 358252515
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 16:57

I might support, but for2011

Boldwin
ID: 111562213
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 17:01

More research tools.

I am not down with OBP.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 17:46

#62: That's a good question. Let me check it out.

Tree
ID: 248472317
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 18:24

zero desire to change to OBP.

it completely changes the complexion of a league, as players have been drafted and kept as keepers based on certain factors, in this case, Avg.

Seattle Zen
ID: 1410391215
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 19:01

zero desire to change to OBP.

My desire to improve the league with OBP has just increased!

Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 20:43

I've always been for OBP. It would make the league better. This year, next uear, whenever.

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 23:23

A major rule change like that should have the one year grace
period but I would vote against it in a keeper league since we
own keepers that weren't originally drafted with OBP in mind.

I'm also a traditionalist and like standard 5x5's and the inherent
ability to do consistant (easier) research since that is what
virtually all cheat sheets, and "expert" analysis etc is geared
toward.

I spend too much time already without having to parse out the
differences from the standard research and this one quirk in our
league.

In any case the vote would be for next year based on the rules of
our league.

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 23:41

I've always been a fan of OBP more than AVG (and SLG more than HR, but that's adds an entirely different element.)

Tree
ID: 248472317
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 00:34

but I would vote against it in a keeper league since we
own keepers that weren't originally drafted with OBP in mind.

that's reason one why i'm against it.

I spend too much time already without having to parse out the
differences from the standard research and this one quirk in our
league.

and that's reason two.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 14:47

Draft order, fyi:

Perm Dude
Punk
C1NRB
MBJ
Taxman
Action Figures
Building 7
Pancho
Baldwin
Coldwater Coyotes
biliruben
nerveclinic
Seattle Zen
tree

nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 17:20

Is there a date yet when we have to declare keepers?

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 17:21

Trade announcement

nervclinic trades:

Mark Reynolds
Justin Verlander
12th round draft pick (12.12)
13th round draft pick (13.12)

Perm Dude trades:

1st round draft pick (1.01)
6th round draft pick (6.01)

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 17:25

Trade announcement

tree trades:

Andrew McCutchen
Rick Porcello
Adam Wainwright
Francisco Rodriguez
6th round draft pick (6.14)
13th round draft pick (13.14)
14th round draft pick (14.14)

Perm Dude trades:

2nd round draft pick (2.01)
3rd round draft pick (3.01)
6th round draft pick (6.01)

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 17:27

I'm clarifying the two sixth round picks....

nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 17:27

Sigh

double sigh

it's true

look at PD wheeling and dealing.

Trade confirmed

nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 17:28

anyone interested in Marino Rivera make me an offer fr draft pick

cheers

nerve

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 17:35

Re #74: nerveclinic gets 6.12, not 6.01.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 17:41

Looking to move two guys. My keepers right now (9 of 7!):

VMart
Jimenez
Nathan
McCutchen
Porcello
Wainright
KRod
Reynolds
Verlander

Tree
ID: 248472317
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 18:17

good bye K-Rod. I hardly knew ya...

Actually, he was one of the Originals from my team. Now that's he's departed, that leaves Mark Teixeira as the last Original player from the team i inherited several years ago.

Trade confirmed.

Tree
ID: 248472317
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 18:18

Re #74: nerveclinic gets 6.12, not 6.01.

6.14?

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 18:28

Actually, I find it easier to trade away other people's draft picks.

:)

Yes, 6.14.

Tree
ID: 248472317
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 19:25

i'm trying to accumulate a list of traded picks from last season, because there do seem to be a lot of them. in fact, i need to double check to make sure i didn't just double deal.

i'll post what i find shortly.

Seattle Zen
ID: 1410391215
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 19:55

I think you overpaid, PD.

Tree
ID: 248472317
Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 20:23

here's the list of transactions from last season and this that include draft picks. i think this is accurate, but never 100 percent:

From this thread:
http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=pol&thread=3258

Post 41:
Necro Butcher’s Ear sends the following to DustStorm Troopers:
OF Adam Dunn
OF Shin-Soo Choo
C Jorge Posada
SP Johnny Cueto
First pick in Prospect Draft
Conditional Regular Draft pick:
Second Round pick if Necro Butcher’s Ear (Tree) finishes in the Top 3.

DustStorm Troopers sends the following to Necro Butcher’s Ear:
C Joe Mauer
OF Bobby Abreu
RP Brad Ziegler
Conditional Prospect pick:
If DustStorm Troopers keeps 3 prospects, a Second Round Prospect pick. If DustStorm Troopers keeps less than 3 prospects, a Third Round Prospect pick.
Conditional Regular Draft pick:
Fourth Round Draft of if Necro Butcher’s Ear finishes in Top 3.

Dubai Camel Jockeys sends the following to DustStorm Troopers:
SP Yovani Gallardo
Conditional Regular Draft pick:
If Dubai Camel Jockeys (nerveclinic) finishes in Top 3:
Third round draft pick.

DustStorm Troopers sends the following to Dubai Camel Jockeys:
1B Adrian Gonzalez
Conditional Regular Draft pick:
If Dubai Camel Jockeys (nerveclinic) finishes in Top 3:
Fifth round draft pick.

Post 42:
Building 7 trades Shawonn Figgins, Matt Lindstrom, and his 14th pick next year to Seattle Zen for Jake Peavy, Juan Pierre, and his 3rd round pick next year.

Post 48:
Cameron Maybin and bili's 2010 4th rounder for Kerry Wood and (MBJ’s) 2010 8th round pick.

Post 53:
Aardsma, Valverde, and AF's 3rd round pick for Tree's 1st round pick.

Post 65:
(MBJ) traded kevin Gregg and my 9th round pick to Zen for Joe Blanton, a bag of smokes and his 4th round pick.

From this thread:
http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=pol&thread=3401

Post 40:
Building 7 trades his 5th round pick to nerveclinic for Aaron Hill, 2B and his 9th round draft choice.

Post 74:
nervclinic trades:

Mark Reynolds
Justin Verlander
12th round draft pick (12.12)
13th round draft pick (13.12)

Perm Dude trades:

1st round draft pick (1.01)
6th round draft pick (6.14)

Post 75:
tree trades:

Andrew McCutchen
Rick Porcello
Adam Wainwright
Francisco Rodriguez
6th round draft pick (6.14)
13th round draft pick (13.14)
14th round draft pick (14.14)

Perm Dude trades:

2nd round draft pick (2.01)
3rd round draft pick (3.01)
6th round draft pick (6.01)

nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Fri, Feb 26, 2010, 11:56

When are keeper picks due?

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Feb 26, 2010, 12:05

I was just looking at that, and was going to check with Taxman to see how he's doing.

Last year we declared keepers on March 6th, started drafting on the 9th, and we were done just six days later.

Earlier drafting gives us more time in case of a slow draft and gives us plenty of time to adjust our rosters before the start of the season. But it also means that drafting can be risky since spring training positional races aren't settled yet.

Given how well we've drafted lately and the fact that we're all back, I'm leaning toward keepers (both 7 regular and 3 prospect) due on Friday March 12th and drafting officially beginning Monday March 15th. The prospect draft would start immediately after.

Taxman, how's that work for you?

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Feb 26, 2010, 15:00

Zen "I think you overpaid, PD."

which trade zen. he made two?

Seattle Zen
Leader
ID: 055343019
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 12:54

I think the second week in March start time is the better choice as you will need to find a replacement manager as I am out. I was absolutely infuriated by Perm Dude’s ridiculously lopsided trade with , who else, Tree. Tree trading with PD is like stealing candy from Trig Palin and I’m tired of the way that ruins the competitive balance of the league. Tree need not fear trading away draft picks during the season knowing he can trade his dreck to PD in the offseason for numerous picks.

I now know the appeal of No Trade roto leagues. When a bombshell like this hits the wire, all the years of participation seem to be a waste of time because you are competing with a man who has no compunction screwing over the same leaguemate year after year and a man who simply does not care that his lopsided trades are screwing everyone else.

I wanted to wait a few days to cool off and mull this decision. I typed up an angry screed and sent it to PD. I’m trying my best to say goodbye without cursing and throwing bombs – I think these are mere firecrackers. I’ve invested a lot of time into this league, far too much time to be honest. I’ve built an excellent core of keepers that I have become attached to, it’s not easy saying good bye to Hanley Ramirez for life, but it for the best. Whomever takes this team is poised to compete. I hope this give you ample time to find a replacement.

I seriously do not want to hear how great Tree has believes Wainright and Porcello are, seriously, I want to end this on good note, so save it, Tree.

And to answer your question, Nerve, I thought your trade with Perm was honorable and fair. Those two players are real keepers.

Tree
ID: 248472317
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 13:26

if you take a shot at me, you know i'll come back.

it should be noted that PD had limited keepers at best, hence this trade that has been in the works since last season ended.

i'm not going to tell you how great Porcello is. He's still very much hit or miss. he may be great, he may be a flop. but he's still a fairly highly regarded prospect who won 14 games as a 20 year old major leaguer and had an ERA under 4.00. That projects well for him, but he does need to get his strikeout rate up to be anything more than a 4th or 5th starter in a year or two.

as for Wainwright, come on. he's 28, won 19 games, had an ERA under 2.70 and a WHIP of 1.20. He's also ranked as the #3 NL pitcher by Sporting News, and #5 overall.

Honestly, i have no idea where your disparagement of Wainwright comes from, because it's not based on fact. I can accept the criticism of Porcello, but it's just plain silly when it's about Wainwright.

I also feel like you missed the other two names in the deal. K-Rod and McCutchen. I'll put K-Rod in the same category as Porcello. He could go either way - he could be a stud closer this season, or he could flop as some of his ratios are of concern.

McCutchen - another work in progress, but he did pretty damned good as a 22 year old last season, and will quite likely spend much of his career as a 20-homer, 40-steal guy who will hit in the .280s, and honestly, I think he'll be a first or second round draft pick (in the Grady Sizemore mode) for most of his career.

PD wasn't likely going to get keepers with his second or third round picks, but with McCutchen and Wainwright, he certainly has two more for next season.

I saw it as K-Rod and Porcello for the 6th round swap, McCutchen for the third rounder, and Wainwright for the second rounder. Considering the ADP of Wainwright (57th) and McCutchen (90th) on mockdraft central, i think PD got a steal since neither guy would have been around by his third pick, or possibly even that second pick (aka the 9th and 10th rounds, since we have 7 keepers.)

The jury is out on Porcello and K-Rod (and i think your criticism is warranted on these players), but there isn't any question that McCutchen and Wainwright are very good players, and should be for several seasons longer, so your criticism of them baffles me.

Seattle Zen
Leader
ID: 055343019
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 13:34

Your response is pathetic, Tree, and typical.

Building 7
ID: 43735169
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 15:43

What is the procedure for protesting a trade in this league? Does it go to a league vote?

Tree
ID: 248472317
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 16:00

SZ - tell me what is wrong with the trade. Tell me why you think it's unfair.

without repeating the whole thing, i think the nutshell for why i think it's perfectly fair is:

I saw it as K-Rod and Porcello for the 6th round swap, McCutchen for the third rounder, and Wainwright for the second rounder. Considering the ADP of Wainwright (57th) and McCutchen (90th) on mockdraft central, i think PD got a steal since neither guy would have been around by his third pick, or possibly even that second pick (aka the 9th and 10th rounds, since we have 7 keepers.)

Seattle Zen
Leader
ID: 055343019
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 16:10

tell me what is wrong with the trade. Tell me why you think it's unfair.

No. You suffer from the same problem Baldwin has on the boards, you won't change your opinion regardless of how meritorious the counterclaims. I've left, no longer interested in mocking that trade.

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 17:06

B7 the rule on trades in the league is a simple majority to approve
or over turn although it rarely goes to a vote.

Tree
ID: 248472317
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 17:20

No SZ, i don't. but it's hard to have a conversation with someone who won't even present the reasons for why they feel the way they do.

honestly, i'm surprised you weren't up in arms with the deal i made last season with C1NRB. personally, i think that was much more lopsided in my favor than this one could ever think to be.

or me giving up a first rounder for two closers i likely can't keep. it helped me win, but it was a steep price to pay.

you complain bitterly about every trade PD and i make. doesn't matter if it's swapping players or players for picks, you think it's unfair.

in this case, i think it's sour grapes because you've lost a number of prospects from Tim Lincecum to Matt Wieters. In fact, i think that Lincecum ended up being drafted as a free agent.

I am constantly wheeling and dealing in leagues to get better, and in the case of being a top team, to remain there. the whole point of prospects on a team laden with talent is to use them later as bargaining chips. I never drafted Porcello or McCutchen or Adenhart with any hope of keeping them - how can i possibly keep them with the guys i do have on my roster??

but they can, and should, be used as trading chips for teams that don't have as many quality keepers. it's the only option for good teams - i tried - and was met with sharp resistance - to create a rule that would allow a team to keep ONE prospect that exceeds the limits.

Because that rule wasn't passed, i've got no choice but to try and move my young, future studs for whatever i can. It probably really galls you that you got nothing for a guy like Tim Lincecum, and i was able to draft him in the second round of the free agent draft a couple seasons back.

And i think that's why you're again singling me - and this trade - out as something you don't like, without offering an explanation.

the rule on trades in the league is a simple majority to approve
or over turn although it rarely goes to a vote.

and i think the reason for that is you can't overturn a trade simply because you don't like it. There's got to be provable collusion and so forth.

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 17:35

or me giving up a first rounder for two closers i likely can't
keep. it helped me win, but it was a steep price to pay.

It's the only reason you won. Had you not gotten those two closers
you would not have won. Do the math. So you traded a first round
draft pick for the league championship.

100

Tree
ID: 248472317
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 17:38

It's the only reason you won.

it's obviously not the only reason i won. saves aren't going to win you a league title. there are 9 other categories.

there's a whole mess of other players that played a role in my winning, from the stars like Pujols, Mauer, and Teixeira to the role players like Davis, Prado, and the luck i had with getting the right utility guys off the waiver wire at the right time.

101

Seattle Zen
Leader
ID: 055343019
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 18:05

I'm not the only person who has left this league because of the awful trades you have made with PD. MITH cited them as a big reason he left.

You have such a ridiculously high regard for yourself that there is no "conversation" with you. Would you even answer Sean Hannity's request - Tell me why tax cuts are not the greatest thing this country needs? "Tell me why this trade, which I have deemed a 'steal' for Perm, is not fair?"

Sour Grapes? Hilarious. That's the thief telling the cop that he's just jealous that the cop didn't think of stealing this stuff first.

Can't even admit the obvious in Nerve's post 99. You are most certainly the same as Baldwin.

102

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 18:15

Put the thing up for a vote, Zen. 7 to overturn (half plus one of the league, less the two managers involved).

I made my case on that trade to you already, but the Reader's Digest version is this: Last year I went from 8th to 14th because I tried to go with veteran stability. Injuries and so on kicked my team's ass, especially SP. As a result, I've got 3.5 keepers on that team. There's no better way to continue a mediocre team than having to keep mediocre players, so I've locked up a far, far better set of keepers by trading down the one thing I do have: great draft positions.

My strategy is simple: two years to get productive, starting with younger players who appear to be coming into their own and have the freedom this forthcoming season to show what they can do. No "maybe coming off the bench" or "will only hit lefties." Young everyday players with promise. Short term risk with long term reward.

So yes, I'm going Wainwright over Buehrle. Verlander and Porcello over Davis. McCutchen over Francoeur. And that comes at a cost.

Right now I've got the kind of keepers of a team that finished in the top half last year. And the overall draft position to match.

I won't dive into why Zen is really pissed at this. As I've said before, I get a lot of grief for trades but I never get any credit in the end when it doesn't turn out to be such a rape after all (or, God forbid, I come out ahead). Like the trade with Choo, for example (I traded away Choo for Jimenez and Blalock last year). Was this a rape, in the end? Byrnes for Crede? Looked bad at the time. Looked like a wash in the end.

The bad feelings when those trades were accepted get carried over years later, while the results of those trades never get included in any analysis.

103

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 18:34

it's obviously not the only reason i won.

disingenuous as usual. You were behind all year and not
catching up. you were in the middle of the pack in saves, it was
the one category you could guarantee moving up in.

This one trade at the end of the season pushed you over the
edge. Without it you would not have won, that is simple
mathematical fact and you know it but you will deny until the
end because who wants to admit they won the league
championship by simply trading a draft pick for the next year.

At the time you made that trade I felt like I had been hit over the
head with a baseball bat, having competed all year with Zen, and
realizing in that moment it was all over. If you don't believe me,
ask Action, I told him the day he made the trade he had handed
you the championship. Exact words.

So maybe this is why Zen is so frustrated.

All that having been said I doubt I will vote against the current
trade.

104

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 18:37

I agree with nerve. Good closers not only get you saves, but a high K/IP with low WHIPs.

105

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 18:49

It was the saves category that did it though PD. He won the
championship by a couple points, adding these two closers moved
him up from the middle of the pack in saves to first in the
category. That was the difference. Without the trade, it wouldn't
have happened.

It's simple math and I knew it at the time.

106

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 18:57

Right--but I was also looking at WHIP, in which he ended up tied with you in the end. That occurred the last couple of weeks of the season, as I recall. Not enough to make the difference, but enough to turn a one point win into a 1.5 win.

The timing of that trade certainly made the difference. Ironically, it also made the draft pick just that much less valuable.

107

Tree
ID: 248472317
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 19:03

again.

i wouldn't have won if i didn't make that trade, but i didn't win just because of that trade.

i needed to be in a position to win, with that trade.

there is a difference. and that's my argument.

and yes, i can imagine it was like having a needle stuck in your balloon. any of us who have contended for a championship have been the guy who got the short end when a rival made a trade that helped him or her win. and it sucks.

108

Seattle Zen
Leader
ID: 055343019
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 19:12

Put the thing up for a vote, Zen. 7 to overturn

Perm, in post 91 I notified you and the league that I have left, please find a replacement. Only an active manager can contest trades.

109

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 19:46

My bad--I misread that as "when I'm out." Sorry to see you pull a "Toral."

110

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 19:56

replacement suggestions welcome--I'll also post a thread in the baseball standings forum to seek out some interest. As usual, replacement managers will be voted on.

111

Biliruben movin
ID: 358252515
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 22:38

Someone who handle full-contact roto.

112

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 23:50

PD he didn't pull a Toral, the season hasn't even started yet, he
gave us time to find a replacement.

113

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Feb 28, 2010, 00:18

Yeah, maybe you're right--at least Zen gave us some time.

Ironic, in a way. Zen built up his team via some one-sided trades with Sox. Now he leaves because he feels tree is doing the same thing with my squad.

114

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Sun, Feb 28, 2010, 00:19

I just have to say F everyone in this league. That is all, what a bunch of little kids! hahahaha

115

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Feb 28, 2010, 00:51

I've received emails of interest from two long-time gurupies. I'll keep it open until Monday, then send out a league wide email for a vote.

pd

116

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 00:03

Wow. I lose access for the weekend and the stove fires up. It's too bad to see guys bail because of trades.

I made my moves last season to teams that were both in contention. I don't think I have to justify anything, but my reasoning parallels both managers' philosophies. I inherited a team that finished next-to-last. I moved it up one spot which I felt was a significant accomplishment considering the moves I made for the future.

I put together mid-season trades with two contenders on the same day and got them finalized within an hour of each other. (I was nervous that one would leak before the other got done and spook the other manager.) I traded a sure keeper that I drafted with the second overall pick (Mauer) for a high potential, likely-keeper (Cueto) to Tree and picked up a high draft pick and the first prospect pick. I did the same with nerve, Adrian Gonzalez (one of my keepers) for (another likely keeper) Gallardo. Both were done with the future in mind. I thought that's what it would take to climb here and I think I've set myself up to make meaningful moves up the standings, beginning this year, after only one season.

Tree felt this move was necessary to keep him on top since he'd given up his second round pick and, as last season's winner, was overloaded with covet-able keepers. Perm Dude decided he needed to do establish a new foundation before the draft starts to build his team upon. More power to both of them.

117

Building 7
ID: 471052128
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 10:38

Meanwhile.......I have Jake Peavy or Lance Berkman available for trade for maybe about a 5th rounder. Peavy (28)is not as old as I thought and Berkman is getting up there (34), but he's kept himself in great shape over the years.

I also have a couple prospects..... Josh Vitters Cubs, 3B or Jerrod Parker, Ariz ,P. They can go for about a 9th round upgrade.

118

C1-NRB
ID: 2911103011
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 13:49

I think I've set myself up to make meaningful moves up the standings, beginning this year, after only one season.

I may have spoken too soon.

I hate confessing this, but I can't find the flash drive that I used for this league last season- I've moved offices at work and changed computers (twice) at home and can't find it anywhere. I plugged in the one I thought I saved all the final rosters on, but when I fired it up the files there have nothing to do with baseball.

Could somebody (Perm Dude) post a link or something to at least my final roster from last year?

119

biliruben
ID: 461142511
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 13:55

You should be able to do it yourself. Go to yahoo fantasy baseball, hit Fantasy Profile, click on the political baseball league and click your team.

Garret Anderson (Atl - OF) 133/496 52 13 61 1 .268
Carlos Beltrán (NYM - OF) 100/308 50 10 48 11 .325
Casey Blake (LAD - 1B,3B) 136/485 84 18 79 3 .280
Julio Borbón (Tex - OF) 49/157 30 4 20 19 .312
Marlon Byrd (ChC - OF) 155/547 66 20 89 8 .283
Shin-Soo Choo (Cle - OF) 175/583 87 20 86 21 .300
Adam Dunn (Was - 1B,OF) 146/546 81 38 105 0 .267
Carlos Peña (TB - 1B) 107/471 91 39 100 3 .227
Plácido Polanco (Phi - 2B) 176/618 82 10 72 7 .285
Jorge Posada (NYY - C) 109/383 55 22 81 1 .285
Jarrod Saltalamacchia (Tex - C) 66/283 34 9 34 0 .233
Skip Schumaker (StL - 2B,OF) 161/532 85 4 35 2 .303
Ryan Theriot (ChC - SS) 171/602 81 7 54 21 .284
Joey Votto (Cin - 1B) 151/469 82 25 84 4 .322
Andrew Bailey (Oak - RP) 83.1 6 26 91 1.84 0.88
Johnny Cueto (Cin - SP) 171.1 11 0 132 4.41 1.36
John Danks (CWS - SP) 200.1 13 0 149 3.77 1.28
Yovani Gallardo (Mil - SP) 185.2 13 0 204 3.73 1.31
Cliff Lee (Sea - SP) 231.2 14 0 181 3.22 1.24
Vin Mazzaro (Oak - SP) 91.1 4 0 59 5.32 1.74
Scott Richmond (Tor - SP) 138.2 8 0 117 5.52 1.49
Anthony Swarzak (Min - SP,RP) 59.0 3 0 34 6.25 1.63
C.J. Wilson (Tex - RP) 73.2 5 14 84 2.81 1.33
Chris Young (SD - SP) 76.0 4 0 50 5.21 1.45

120

Tree
ID: 23143812
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 13:55

if you go to your fantasy profile on Yahoo, you can see your team and every other team from the league...

121

C1-NRB
ID: 2911103011
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 15:49

Thanks guys. I tried looking through Yahoo last night and couldn't find it. I guess it was too late and I was looking in the wrong place.

122

biliruben
ID: 461142511
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 15:52

For some reason Yahoo makes it hard to find your Fantasy Profile. They should have the link on every page, and in the same place.

123

biliruben
ID: 461142511
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 15:56

Dang. Can I quit, then toss my hat in for a chance at Zen's team?

Change your mind about that impulsive move yet, Zen?

124

Building 7
ID: 471052128
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 17:08

Re: #92 PD wasn't likely going to get keepers with his second or third round picks, but with McCutchen and Wainwright, he certainly has two more for next season.

I saw it as K-Rod and Porcello for the 6th round swap, McCutchen for the third rounder, and Wainwright for the second rounder. Considering the ADP of Wainwright (57th) and McCutchen (90th) on mockdraft central, i think PD got a steal since neither guy would have been around by his third pick, or possibly even that second pick (aka the 9th and 10th rounds, since we have 7 keepers.)

IMO you should compare the difference between the keepers PD could have kept (and will now have to cut)to the new keepers you are trading him. In this case, it looks like Jiminez and Manny are on the bubble. So now, one needs to compare the improvement from Jiminez(ADP 102) to McCutchen (ADP 90)and from Manny (ADP 65) to Wainright (ADP 55). The final step would be to compare these keeper upgrades to the downgrades of drafting a player in the 13th or 14th round vs. the 2nd or 3rd round. One can compare the players drafted in these rounds in last years draft to make their decision if it was a good trade or not. An additional adjustment would have to be made to account for one of the new keepers being younger than Manny.

125

Tree
ID: 23143812
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 17:21

re 124 - and i think that's the point PD was trying to make. he got burned on veterans last season, and is basically tearing his team down and starting over with promising young talent that may be keepers for a long time to come.

126

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 18:22

email sent with the two possible replacement managers. Let me know if you don't get it.

127

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 18:34

Pancho, looks like I've got an old address for you. Let me know your current email address.

128

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 18:54

Yahoo invites going out. In response to #62, it turns out that Yahoo isn't offering the Plus league anymore.

129

Building 7
ID: 526218
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 19:06

I nominate Boxman.

130

Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 20:25

Well, this is all very disapointing.

131

biliruben
ID: 16105237
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 20:31

no doubt.

132

Tree
ID: 248472317
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 21:12

indeed.

133

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 21:51

I am clear after this week ( beginning March 8)to participate in baseball activities...assuming the wife does OK with this week's proceedure (implanting a pace maker...the ablation worked OK..but the heart is just wonkers with low pulse and blood pressure readings)

As to Zen. I am very sorry to see you leave.

With the preface that I consider Tree a good friend, I too think that TREE is an abusive fantasy trader. Tree will take advantage of other managers and often to the detriment of the league. I support the concept of ethics in trading. I have considered very seriously quitting this league. Giving the winner of the league..his keepers and right to draft extra players in early rounds renders the concept of competition moot. I'm in for this season..but it may well be my last.

post script: be it known that I turned down Tree's offer of Teixeira for (my) Grady Sizemore over a 30 day period early last season...boy did I f*ck that one up

134

Tree
ID: 248472317
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 22:05

Tax - i appreciate, and respect the words of friendship. they do mean a lot. and maybe one day not soon enough, we'll toast that with a beer in person.

that being said, i think you hit at the crux of why some people don't like the trade that was made: Giving the winner of the league..his keepers and right to draft extra players in early rounds renders the concept of competition moot.

i most certainly improved my team's chances of winning. isn't that why we trade? to make our team better?

and that's just what i did. and in PD's case, that's just what he did. To be frank, where i finish in the standing this upcoming season matters little to PD. he knows his team isn't likely to contend this season, so making my team better this year doesn't matter so much to him.

he's putting himself in a position to win a couple years down the road. that's why he made the trade he did.

135

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 22:30

I guess I have trouble seeing the long haul view

136

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 23:15

#128, I think they got rid of it because most of the things are now free with Yahoo. What are we missing now that we had last time?

137

Pancho Villa
ID: 29118157
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 23:16

I have trouble making sense of any of this. For me, fantasy sports are a diversion from the daily rat race. When fantasy sports become part of the rat race, it kinda defeats the purpose.

138

biliruben
ID: 16105237
Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 23:28

Right. I can't get worked up.

When someone gets cut-throat and treats it like a job, it's simply all the more sweet when you beat them ethically!

Quitting because someone is taking it too seriously is kinda silly.

139

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 00:20

#136: Nothing. Last time we went with the Plus league to get the live scoring, but that is free now.

140

Boldwin
ID: 421172615
Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 04:05

In other news, stealing candy from a baby is still wrong.

141

Boldwin
ID: 421172615
Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 04:12

And the bottom line is that some of us can say, "Ya'know PD, you really outta trade that Jose Reyes away", with a straight face, some can't and some can't take it when it works.

142

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 21:28

Can someone please link or post last year's (2009) prospects?

143

Building 7
ID: 43735169
Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 22:09

They are in this thread...#29

144

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 22:34

About half the managers have voted on the new manager. Either one could still get the votes, so let me know your preference.

145

nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Thu, Mar 04, 2010, 11:47

PD I am not getting any emails from you. I have not gotten a league invite.

146

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 04, 2010, 11:48

Will re-send in a sec.

147

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 07, 2010, 12:51

Ten signed up on Yahoo.

Not everyone has voted, and though we've got a frontrunner it would be great to get more votes in to make it clear.

Have to close the polls this evening, in all fairness to the new owner.

148

Pancho Villa
ID: 29118157
Sun, Mar 07, 2010, 19:32

Never got an invite for the league.

149

Boldwin
ID: 53228720
Sun, Mar 07, 2010, 21:44

Still have no invite to the Poliboard League, just Nerve's.

150

nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Sun, Mar 07, 2010, 22:41

no invite to the league.

Please make sure you are using correct email.

151

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 07, 2010, 23:19

new invites sent out.

152

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 09, 2010, 12:00

OK, in a close race GREAT ONE is declared the winner, and will take over Zen's team. I'll send him a Yahoo invite in a sec.

I will set up OTC and send out invites this afternoon.

I'd like to keep the same schedule (keepers declared Friday 3/12, drafting beginning the following Monday (3/15).

153

Great One
ID: 26234311
Tue, Mar 09, 2010, 12:47

It is a pleasure to join a league with so many esteemed managers as well as Tree. I am reading through and getting caught up.
My credentials include fantasy baseball experience because I can see a baseball field from my backyard.

154

Great One
ID: 26234311
Tue, Mar 09, 2010, 13:00

I gotta say, much whining about people making trades. Nothing wrong with trading picks for players, this is a keeper league, right? And as an unbiased observer, there is nothing veto-able about any of those trades.

155

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 09, 2010, 13:03

Like him already...

156

Great One
ID: 26234311
Tue, Mar 09, 2010, 13:05

Carlos Lee and Ryan Howard available for SP. Wade Davis, David Price, Brian Wilson, F Cordero for sale for mid-late round draft pick swaps.

157

Tree
ID: 248472317
Tue, Mar 09, 2010, 13:14

It is a pleasure to join a league with so many esteemed managers as well as Tree

:oD i realize it's hard to come into a league knowing you'll be nothing more than a bridesmaid when the Championship awards are handed out, but welcome aboard my friend.

158

Great One
ID: 26234311
Tue, Mar 09, 2010, 13:24

Maybe this will be the one Yahoo league I don't win. Maybe. I wouldn't bet against me though. I'm gonna guess

What is my draft pick situation? I don't understand the Peavy deal -- did he trade away Peavy AND a 3rd rounder for Figgins? That would have been pretty dumb. So I'll guess no.

159

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Tue, Mar 09, 2010, 13:27

Great One I think the reason no one voted on the trade and most
people had nothing to say about it, is because they agreed there
wasn't enough there for a veto.

Welcome.

160

Great One
ID: 26234311
Tue, Mar 09, 2010, 13:34

Nerve, thanks - are you still in Dubai? is that a big disadvantage?

161

Biliruben movin
ID: 358252515
Tue, Mar 09, 2010, 13:35

Welcome, GO-

my vote against you was pure fear. Zen's keepers in the
hands of someone actually willing to trade is a deadly 1-2
punch.

162

Building 7
ID: 471052128
Tue, Mar 09, 2010, 13:37

Welcome to the league Great One.

Yes, he traded Peavy and a 3rd round choice. Peavy was injured at the time and pretty much done for the season and his team was trying to win the title.

What is your email.

163

Tree
ID: 248472317
Tue, Mar 09, 2010, 13:50

errr..i was going to post a grid on how the draft picks shake out, but i actually have forgotten how to do that.. :o/

164

Great One
ID: 26234311
Tue, Mar 09, 2010, 14:08

Thanks bili - this is definitely the first time I have taken over a squad that is good. Usually its these huge rebuilding projects.

If Peavy was done for the season I agree with trading him to stay in contention, but I am shocked he had to add a 3rd pick for someone to take him off his hands. If I was in last I would have been flooding him with offers with guys I didn't plan to keep but could help him win.

165

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 09, 2010, 14:58

GO: Many of the rules are condensed into post #62 of this thread.

166

Pancho Villa
ID: 29118157
Tue, Mar 09, 2010, 21:21

Welcome aboard, GO. I really hate to see Zen go, but you'll be a fine addition.

167

Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 029463114
Tue, Mar 09, 2010, 23:41

Great One...wou;d you please post an e-mail address

168

Great One
ID: 26234311
Wed, Mar 10, 2010, 10:05

Thanks all, email attached. ALWAYS looking to trade.

169

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Mar 10, 2010, 13:28

KKB set up our OTC draft page, and I just sent out invites.

170

Action Figure
ID: 191051289
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 19:25

No OTC invite

171

Tree
ID: 248472317
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 19:53

ditto. no OTC invite

172

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 19:57

sent both out again.

173

Action Figure
ID: 191051289
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 20:28

I'm in

174

Action Figure
ID: 191051289
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 22:06

What is the AB limit and rule for prospects?

175

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 23:35

300 abs/125 IP

176

nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 23:39

we are running a 6 hour clock this year correct?

177

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 23:51

That's the plan, but I don't know if anyone came close to it last time.

178

Great One
ID: 26234311
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 09:10

I was curious why we feel the need to post picks in a thread here as well as Kafenatid. Was there a mishap of some kind previously that led to putting it in two places? Seems like overkill to me.

If I'm leaving ques and am not around to put my pick in, is the commish or whoever going to post my pick over here too?

179

Tree
ID: 248472317
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 09:43

it's been an ongoing debate for years. there are some members of this league who want to be able to go back and refer to older drafts for whatever reason, and somehow got under the mistaken belief that drafts on Kafenatid were not saved.

ironically, Kafenatid is now a better source for saving drafts than this forum.

i'd like to suggest we go strictly with Kaf for the regular draft this season.

180

biliruben
ID: 16105237
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 09:55

Regardless of tree's complete misrepresentation of the debate, I don't care any more. We can do it where ever.

If we don't have any discussion about the draft, it's a bit sterile and makes the league less fun, but whatever.

181

Tree
ID: 248472317
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 10:05

Bili - there's no reason why the discussion can't happen here. every other draft i do on Kaf - includes discussion here on rotoguru.

and you're correct - there was one league member who made the argument i mentioned.

i had forgotten that you also were against the move, and the reasons why. my bad.

182

Great One
ID: 26234311
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 10:11

Yes, definitely have a draft discussion thread here (which would include any trades), I just don't see the rationale to have each pick posted here as well. If anyone wants to have a backup here, then we can cut and paste the draft results into the last post of the Draft Discussion thread at the end of the draft.

But as tree said, Kafenatid has everything archived as well, and its a heck of a lot quicker to find my old drafts on there.

183

Great One
ID: 26234311
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 10:14

Dirty Dozen draft discussion had nearly 200 posts. Draft was done on Kafenatid. All trades were detailed in this thread for archiving. A solid example.

184

biliruben
ID: 461142511
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 13:25

Only losing 2/3rds of our participation. Awesome.

185

Boldwin
ID: 53228720
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 13:33

It is much much quicker to retrieve the results from a previous draft by searching rotoguru for the word draft or even easier, having butted it previously, than it is to look up kafenatid's url again, figure out what your login specifics are, log in, find the particular league, etc.

I have been a consistent vote in favor of using kafenatid which has never been a given in this league, however if I had to chose only one, I'd pick doing the draft right here at home.

186

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 13:33

I really don't see any problem with doing what we have been: Posting on the boards and using OTC as a backup and the good drafting tool it is.

The boards are the authoritative list of the picks.

187

Great One
ID: 26234311
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 13:41

Boldwin. If you post the draft results AFTER the draft in a thread with the words "2010 draft" in it, and BUTT it as much as you want. Wouldn't you accomplish your end result of finding easily in future years?

Yes, a bigger league and longer draft would lead to more posts in a discussion thread. That makes sense.

188

Tree
ID: 248472317
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 15:06

It is much much quicker to retrieve the results from a previous draft by searching rotoguru for the word draft

i'm looking for the draft from 2007 which was only 3 years ago. i can't seem to locate it.

meanwhile, the 2005 Poli-draft is still on Kafenatid.

than it is to look up kafenatid's url again

never mind that you just typed it in, do you not know how to use bookmarks?

figure out what your login specifics are, log in

is it that hard to remember a log in and password, or, even better, have the browser remember it for you?

find the particular league

how many leagues are you using on Kafenatid? and if you ARE doing more than one, how many are called "Polibaseball" or something similar.

you are making something extremely easy seem like climbing Everest.

Only losing 2/3rds of our participation. Awesome.

what do you mean?

189

nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 15:19

I am one of the people who was anti Kafe and now I am all in. I am for Kafe as main source and running a clock. As long as we have ques and turn them on it's the way to go.

I apologize for my incorrect position in the past and am more then happy to admit the error of my ways.

191

Tree
ID: 248472317
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 15:36

I apologize for my incorrect position in the past

you were just hanging with a bad crowd. no need to apologize.. ;o)

192

Great One
ID: 26234311
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 15:43

You'd think someone so concerned with the amount of time it takes in finding the URL, figuring out the login, locating the league in a list.... would see the value in not needlessly posting every pick on a completely different additional website. Think of how much extra time that takes the 20 different times we all do it.

194

Great One
ID: 26234311
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 15:55

Let me clarify that I agree that we should cut and paste the draft results, list the prospects and trades etc in a "2010 Politics Draft" thread so there is an alternative archive. I just think submitting each pick on OTC, and then also coming over here to submit it is overkill.

195

building 7
ID: 574402017
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 16:39

Hey nerve check your email.

196

Biliruben movin
ID: 358252515
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 16:44

Re194. Agreed.

197

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 16:59

Might be moot--we've only got ten signed up on OTC. If you aren't in and need to login information please let me know ASAP.

198

biliruben
ID: 461142511
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 18:27

Moan. Groan. Dropping myself into the coffee grinder is like voting for Cheney.

199

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 21:13

B7 there was no email from you.

200

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 21:13

B7 there was no email from you.

201

Great One
ID: 262371220
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 21:38

Don't we need a bunch more keepers in just a few hours?

202

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 21:53

yup. It'll be interesting if we make it. Seems a little lackadaisical this year.

203

building 7
ID: 574402017
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 22:05

Hey Permdude check your email.

204

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 22:16

yup. It'll be interesting if we make it. Seems a little lackadaisical this year.

I was holding out to see who was keeping who before I committed to mine, but sometimes you just gotta pull the trigger.

205

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 22:18

Trade announcement:

Perm Dude trades:

Manny Ramirez + pick 14.01

B7 trades:

pick 9.07

206

nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 22:19

1B Adrian Gonzales

2B Robinson Cano

SS Jimmy Rollins

3B Kevin Youkilis

OF Jacoby Ellsbury

OF Nick Markakis

SP Zack Greinke

Prospects

Alcides Escobar

Chris Tillman

207

building 7
ID: 574402017
Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 22:22

Confirmed.

208

nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Sat, Mar 13, 2010, 00:31

I just realized I posted mine in the wrong thread.

212

Action Figure
ID: 191051289
Sat, Mar 13, 2010, 04:21

Might be moot--we've only got ten signed up on OTC. If you aren't in and need login information please let me know ASAP.

I would send the login info to all managers that have not joined. Please start with me.

213

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Mar 13, 2010, 11:43

Re-sent, AF. Thought you had it, per 173.

214

Great One
ID: 332121311
Sat, Mar 13, 2010, 12:13

Geesh, I thought this was some crazy active league - we can't even get everyone to post their keepers and signup for the draft. Maybe they've already accepted the fact they are playing for second place this year now that I've arrived! :)
Actually though, I left my cheat sheets at work, so the longer this drags out (til Monday morning) the better for me.

215

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Sat, Mar 13, 2010, 16:21

I left my cheat sheets at work, so the longer this drags out (til Monday morning) the better for me.

I did the same thing. Fortunately, I remembered right as I was getting to the car. Double fortunately, I'm off all next week and wouldn't be able to get back in to get them.

Unfortunately, they are all saved in Excel 2007 and the home computer only has Office Works on it. (I did a factory reset to get rid of a virus about a month ago. I get Office Suite free from work, but they had bigger things to worry about in the last month.) So for now I can't access all the fancy drop-down cells I was planning to use until I get back to a Suite computer. For a while last night it was looking like I was going to have to paper-and-pencil it and play fill-in-the-blanks when I got back.

216

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Mar 13, 2010, 16:44

I have office 2007, I believe. If you have the file I can try to save it in another version.

217

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Sat, Mar 13, 2010, 21:11

Thanks for the offer, PD. Trying to get a peek at my sheet, eh?

Excel 2007 files will open in Office Works, but only one tab at a time. I have one file that has each position on a tab plus a combined Master tab with all batters. I would have to open each tab individually in Works to use it but it just ain't worth it. I'm just glad I have the master batter list and a couple of other fall-backs with fewer tabs.

I also have a sheet that I downloaded that has drop-down team assignments that calculates "live" standings based on player projections. It was the first one I tried to open, but when I tried Works just laughed at me and said, "Forget it, kid." That when I started looking for a new ink cartidge. It's going to be fun to watch that one as the season progresses.

218

Pancho Villa
ID: 29118157
Sat, Mar 13, 2010, 23:28

So the draft starts Monday?

219

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 00:51

Yes. I'm hoping to input another round or two of keepers into OTC tomight, then put in all the trades tomorrow. So the draft will actually be open sometime tomorrow afternoon.

I'd imagine nerve will get his pick in before Monday morning our time (he's 11 hours ahead of you, I believe, so it'll probably be Monday where he is, anyway).

220

Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 07:50

So we are waiting on Kafe to start the draft. Me and bili will snigger in the corner.

221

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 09:50

A little more setup time. A lot more payoff during the draft. Its a tradeoff.

222

GO on G1
ID: 4867520
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 10:33

If everyone took the 15 seconds to sign up like they were
asked to, we wouldn't be so delayed.

And you can't seriuosly try and argue that a draft just on
here will go as fast. The time saved on kafenatid is
substantial and also makes our own lives easier by not
having to email random people our ques when we might not
be around. Sounds like my dad saying how stupid e-mail is
while looking all over the house for his stamps.

It used to take us an avg of 3 weeks to get 18 post keeper
rounds done in dirty dozen. We knocked that out in 8 days
this year. Each year we start beginning of march but now we
are saying we should bump it up to st. Patricks because we
are finishing too early.

223

GO on G1
ID: 4867520
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 10:35

By the way my power is out so checking might be tough. Not
sure when its coming back.

224

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 13:40

Draft discussion thread

Draft picks thread

225

Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 14:07

And you can't seriuosly try and argue that a draft just on
here will go as fast.

Sure, I could; I just don't care to. We have plenty of prior drafts in this league tp prove it. But, if that's the only point, we could just auto draft/live draf.. Those are very fast, I've heard - never done one, cause they suck. What's more important to me is what is more fun.

Nevermind though, I surrendered this point last year.

226

Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 14:09

Have we ever had a clock before?

227

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 15:42

We've had it in previous drafts but its never been turned on. Tree threatened to turn one on midway in the 2009 football draft, if I recall.

I don't think we'll have to worry about it. We've always had smooth drafts.

228

nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 16:24

I just rushed home and picked thinking draft had started. I would like to think about the pick overnight if PD can remove and Punk not take his next pick.

229

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 16:32

I just stopped the draft on OTC (it hasn't started on the boards here officially). Let us know when you are ready to go, or if you want to stick with that pick.

230

nerveclinic
ID: 105222
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 16:43

1 AM here will likely pick in the morning.

231

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 16:58

1 AM here will likely pick in the morning.

Daylight Savings Time is a real pain. ;-)

232

Great One
ID: 272121418
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 19:12

I was just deleting keepers from a temporary cheat sheet i printed and thought Jeter was available because I was Ctrl+F searching Derek Jeter and it was coming up empty. So I thought he was actually available. I mean I guess once I got over to Kafenatid I would have seen he wasn't available. But that would have held the whole draft up cause I would have surely drafted him. So it's nice not having to rely on others spelling ability. Or lack thereof.

233

biliruben
ID: 16105237
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 19:23

I don't have any idea what any of you are talking about. I can't see anything in kanstapatid, and there are no picks listed here.

But it sounds like a bunch of picks have been made? Mariano? The a couple more, then jeter?

And now we are backing up?

How are you seeing all of this?

234

Myboyjack
Dude
ID: 014826271
Sun, Mar 14, 2010, 19:32

would have surely drafted him. So it's nice not having to rely on others spelling ability. Or lack thereof.

Great One: I'm looking at the draft thread. Jeter is spelled Jeter. I suppose you're talking about some other thread, but I can't imagine control f'ing anything other than the draft thread. That aside, if my lack of spelling profeciency alarms you, you're in for a bumpy f'ing ride.

235

Great One
ID: 26234311
Mon, Mar 15, 2010, 08:49

Sorry didn't realize it was yours, Derek was spelled wrong. But yeah I kept searching "Derek Jeter" in the declaration thread. I can now see it spelled right on the draft site when I sorted "view all picks" by position so we are all good. He wouldn't have made it to me anyway, he would have gone right along with his buddy Mariano I'm sure.

236

biliruben
ID: 16105237
Mon, Mar 15, 2010, 11:23

I think we should build in some bonus for drafting quickly.

Maybe a rule where the player who drafts in the fastest median time has the option of stealing the draft position of the person with the slowest median time.

237

biliruben
ID: 16105237
Mon, Mar 15, 2010, 11:24

Can you tell I'm excited about drafting!?!

Hurry up. I needs my pick. I neeeeeeeds it!

238

Tree
ID: 248472317
Sat, Mar 20, 2010, 12:55

So i just got a deliver from FedEx. had NO CLUE what it might be.

it was the Bobblehead i won for being last season's champion. lol

239

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Mar 20, 2010, 14:52

from Yahoo?

240

Tree
ID: 248472317
Sat, Mar 20, 2010, 14:57

yep.

241

Building 7
ID: 574402017
Sat, Mar 20, 2010, 15:14

bobblehead of what/who?

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