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Subject: Tea Party Tally


  Posted by: Boldwin - [183112613] Sat, May 08, 2010, 20:30

Down goes Bennett. Down goes Bennett. R-UT Senate

Principles over the privileges of seniority.
 
1Boldwin
      ID: 183112613
      Sat, May 08, 2010, 20:32
I think the first score was Scot Brown, R-MA Senate
 
2Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Sat, May 08, 2010, 22:23
First score? What do you mean?
 
3Boldwin
      ID: 183112613
      Sat, May 08, 2010, 22:34
What do you mean, what do you mean? It's obvious.

Not my favorite blogger, Richard Fernandez, but nice one:
The game was redefined in a single place and time from “one of Republicans versus Democrats” (Romney’s reference) to that of “Small Government versus Big Government”. In isolation the Bennett defeat is insignificant, but it now raises the wider question of whether the ‘Smaller Government’ idea can catch on. If it does then it has the potential to redefine the political landscape in ways that are both a threat and opportunity to different communities.

The Tea Parties represent an asymmetric threat to political organizations optimized for party-line warfare. The threat is no longer across the aisle but outside the building. As such, two possibilities suggest themselves. The first is that the Washington elite will circle the wagons, bury their minor differences and concentrate on keeping the money and power flowing to the capital. A threat from outside the building is after all, a threat to everybody inside the building. The other possibility is that enough members of the elite will realize that jig is up and strive to accommodate themselves to the new reality. In the coming months we are likely to see both gambits. Some politicians will opt to tap the tide; others will seek to master it.

That new reality is driven by economics. The real problem is that Washington — and Brussels globally considered — is running out of Other People’s Money (OPM). The Tea Parties are not the cause but the expression of the underlying problem. By all the standards of power the Tea Parties are a nothing. But that is to misunderstand their nature. The political elite can infiltrate the Tea Parties, revile it in the press and put it down as hard as they can, but like like the weighted doll it will rebound incessantly because the deficit, unemployment and the declining confidence in the elite system will keep pushing it up. The Tea Parties are the elite’s dark political dual. The only way they can vanquish the doppelganger is to leave the stage themselves. . . . Although the elite may go out clinging with their fingernails to the carpets of their offices their real enemy will always be not the Tea Partiers but the repo men. It’s the lack of money that will be their ultimate downfall.
 
4Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Sat, May 08, 2010, 23:35
Sorry--that doesn't answer the question. Try again.

As for the quote: It’s the lack of money that will be their ultimate downfall.

It will be the lack of ideas that will be the Tea Party's downfall. They are plenty angry, particularly about some of their entitlements being taken away. But collectively they haven't a clue as to what to do about it. Hand them the reins of power, and they wouldn't know the first thing about what do to to advance their agenda.
 
5Boldwin
      ID: 8423823
      Sun, May 09, 2010, 00:24
They are plenty angry, particularly about some of their entitlements being taken away. - PD

If I hadn't actually talked to you on the phone I would be wondering what galaxy alternate universe you came from about now.

Other that the entitlement to life...for the unborn, for the future victims of EZKill Emanuel, I can't imagine where you are coming from.
 
6Boldwin
      ID: 8423823
      Sun, May 09, 2010, 03:28
Hand them the reins of power, and they wouldn't know the first thing about what do to to advance their agenda.

This is spoken to a people whose recipe for government is the oldest continuous human government.

This is spoken by someone speaking for a form of government which has failed everywhere it has been tried.
 
7Boldwin
      ID: 8423823
      Sun, May 09, 2010, 04:18
Excitement gap

Article re: recent primary analysis entitled 'Dem Turnout Falls Off A Cliff'.

Still plenty of time left for fires to burn out or get started of course.
 
8Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Sun, May 09, 2010, 10:12
oh, look. ANOTHER thread about the Tea Party.

Palin will probably booted too, soon enough...

much like the flash in the pan that the Tea Party is, who they like is also a flash in the pan. Like Texas weather, stick around for a few minutes, and it'll change.
 
10sarge33rd
      ID: 280311620
      Sun, May 09, 2010, 12:41
isnt it comical though? The lunatic fringe, contemplating the booting of a lunatic, cause she isnt "fringe" enough?
 
11Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Sun, May 09, 2010, 12:45
They've never exactly been logical, sarge. They are crowing for booting Bennett, who, by all accounts is a solid conservative who made the mistake of believing pointy headed economics and therefore voted for bank bailouts.

The Tea Party is a lot of childish "I want mines!" who believe themselves empowered by throwing their food around.
 
12J-Bar
      ID: 514281022
      Tue, May 11, 2010, 00:02
your little quote there sounds a bit like a racial slur even though you tried to reference tea party and children. (for those not familiar with Ebonics, "mines" is a common mis-speak of the word "mine"). ...
 
13Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, May 11, 2010, 00:17
Typo. Get over it.
 
14J-Bar
      ID: 514281022
      Tue, May 11, 2010, 00:18
lmao
 
15Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, May 11, 2010, 04:03
:)
 
16Boldwin
      ID: 24528715
      Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 21:07
NOT a TP casualty, but another prominent Dem activist bites the dust:

 
17Pancho Villa
      ID: 29118157
      Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 22:02
We should all be be so fortunate to 'bite the dust'(ooooh..scary punctuation) at age 89.
 
18Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 22:29
She was the only one in the Bush years to question what the hell we were doing in Iraq.

She deserves credit for doing what no one on the Right would dare do, until Bush was a late lame duck president (and then, only tentatively).
 
19Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 22:33
She broke the Credit Mobilier scandal and was rumored to be romantically involved with James Buchanan. But her history goes even farther back that that.

She spoke the truth about Israel this week. See, as a young child, she witnessed the Israeli interlopers displace the indigenous Canaanities, building a wall and checkpoints to keep them at bay, eventually just killing them all off. All she was saying is that they are foreigners and ought to go home, that's all.

And when are you going to figure out the proper thread for these posts, old man?
 
20Boldwin
      ID: 24528715
      Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 23:02
SZ

So when the 'Love Boat' passengers told the Isreali soldiers to go back to Auchwitz you wouldn't have blinked, huh?
 
21Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Wed, Jun 09, 2010, 07:52
When Harry Reid wins re-election in November, I suppose we oughta credit the Tea Party, what with Sharron Angle now being his challenger.
 
22Boldwin
      ID: 24528715
      Wed, Jun 09, 2010, 10:53
That kinda question is gonna eat up a whole lotta Dave Hall's bandwidth in the next few months.

Better to do the right thing and let the chips fall where they may than cynically count the potential fraction of Dem votes you could snag putting a Joe Lieberman type on the ballot.
 
23biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Wed, Jun 09, 2010, 11:40
Live by the radicals. Die by the radicals.

Honestly, I don't think there is a centrist GOP left to save.
 
24Boldwin
      ID: 24528715
      Wed, Jun 09, 2010, 11:52
Music...sweet music!
 
25Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Jun 09, 2010, 11:59
Yay! You've driven away any opportunity for electoral success!
 
26Boldwin
      ID: 24528715
      Wed, Jun 09, 2010, 12:23
I guess PD is predicting a Dem clean sweep in Nov.
 
27Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Wed, Jun 09, 2010, 13:46
I guess PD is predicting a Dem clean sweep in Nov.

that's a far cry from some of your proclamations for November.

could you refresh us as to your original predictions for the 2010 elections?

i'm sure when the elections come to be, you'll run as far from those predictions as you did from the one where you proclaimed Sarah Palin was Ronald "Reagan in a skirt."
 
28Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Wed, Jun 09, 2010, 17:29
Something smells fishy.

Kicked out of the Army last August and unemployed since.
Facing a pending felony charge.
Barely speaks coherently.
No campaign organization of any kind - not even a website.
Did not advertise.
Received no media attention.
Claims to have campaigned around the state on his own dime but won't say where or when.
Paid the $10,400.00 filing fee out of his pocket.
Captured 59% of the vote in a primary which included a 4 term Congressman who's spent campaign spent $200,000 criscrossing the state.

5.25.2010
The candidate, a 32-year-old unemployed black Army veteran named Alvin Greene, walked into the state Democratic Party headquarters in March with a personal check for $10,400. He said he wanted to become South Carolina’s U.S. senator.

Needless to say, Democratic Party Chairwoman Carol Fowler was a bit surprised.

Fowler had never met Greene before, she says, and the party isn’t in the habit of taking personal checks from candidates filing for office. She told Greene that he’d have to start a campaign account if he wanted to run. She asked him if he thought it was the best way to invest more than $10,000 if he was unemployed.

Several hours later, Greene came back with a campaign check. The party accepted it, and Greene became an official candidate for the U.S. Senate. He was eager to have his picture put on the party’s website to show he had filed, says state Democratic Party executive director Jay Parmley.


But after filing to run, Alvin Greene’s campaign went dark.

Though he says he is running, and running to win, Greene has not taken the steps one might expect from an active candidate — some of them required by law.

He has not filed with the Secretary of the Senate, according to its Washington, D.C. office. Nor has he filed any disclosure reports with the Federal Election Commission, which the FEC requires by law.

No campaign signs appear around the area where he lives, and Greene admits he hasn’t taken in any donations.

When the South Carolina Democratic Party held its convention in April, Greene did not show up.

Reached by phone May 12, and asked how he thought his campaign was going, Greene said, “So far, so good.”

Asked when he planned to file with the FEC, he replied, “OK, yeah, so what do you need? What are you trying to get from me, now? I’m in a hurry.”

Greene says he decided to run for the United States Senate two years ago when he was serving in Korea.

As for the $10,400 he used to get on the ballot, Greene says it was money he’d made from being a soldier.

Asked if he thought it was a good investment to spend so much of his own money in a two-way Democratic primary to run against a popular Republican with millions in campaign cash, Greene replied: “Rather than just save the $10,000 and just go and buy gasoline with it, just take [it] and just be unemployed for [an] even longer period of time, I mean, that wouldn’t make any sense, um, just, um, but, uh, yes, uh … lowering these gas prices … that will create jobs, too. Anything that will lower the gasoline prices. Offshore drilling, the energy package, all that.”


In the early ‘90s, a Republican strategist was prosecuted and forced to pay a fine when he was found to have coaxed an unemployed black fisherman into running in a primary race to increase white turnout at the polls in a Lowcountry congressional race. The political operative paid the man’s filing fee.

Greene says he’s never heard of such a thing. He says he just really wanted to run.
 
29Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Wed, Jun 09, 2010, 17:39
Before anyone accuses me of snorting Boldy's chalkdust, all I'm saying is that it looks really fishy and that it wouldn't be the first time something like this occurred in recent history in SC. Some details on that other case:

NYT: 4.19.1992
COLUMBIA, S.C., April 15— Rod Shealy, a South Carolina Republican political consultant, will go on trial here on April 27 on campaign finance charges stemming from a bogus Congressional candidacy in 1990. Mr. Shealy recruited a black man facing felony charges to run for office with the intention of attracting a large white voter turnout.

The charge Mr. Shealy faces is a misdemeanor carrying penalties comparable to those for littering. But to many in the state, both Democrats and Republicans, the accusation speaks volumes about a style of South Carolina politics in which some people take peculiar pleasure in skulduggery and dirty tricks and shamelessly exploit racial differences and racism in the pursuit of victory.


Mr. Shealy, with the help of former Representative Robert Kohn, recruited Benjamin J. Hunt, a 28-year-old unemployed Charleston man, to run against Representative Arthur Ravenel Jr., a Republican incumbent. This would have the effect of keeping white voters in the Republican primary in at least one of South Carolina's six Congressional districts.

According to Dick Harpootlian, the prosecutor in the case, Mr. Shealy paid $500 directly to Mr. Hunt and $2,414 in filing fees with money from an unreported $5,000 donation that he solicited from a major hazardous-waste hauler in the name of his sister's campaign. Technically, Mr. Shealy is charged with failing to report this contribution, since paying someone to run for office did not become a violation of state law until this year.


Mr. Shealy distributed a campaign mailing that included a picture of Mr. Hunt beside a picture of Mr. Ravenel and text saying that while Mr. Hunt had conducted a quiet campaign, it was conceivable that he would have several thousand supporters quietly waiting in ambush.

Mr. Hunt has since been described as an alcoholic and drug dealer who at the time was under indictment for drug sales. He received about 2,000 votes, or 10 percent, in the primary in June 1990. He is now serving a five-year sentence in state prison.
 
30Mattinglyinthehall
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      Wed, Jun 09, 2010, 18:41
SC Dem Chair Asks Greene to Withdraw
 
31Mattinglyinthehall
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      Wed, Jun 09, 2010, 19:46
TPM
Responding to the call by the South Carolina Democratic Party for him to step aside, newly-minted Dem Senate nominee Alvin Greene tells the AP: "The people have spoken. We need to be pro-South Carolina, not anti-Greene."

Greene spoke to the wire service outside his home in Manning, South Carolina, where he lives with his parents. He also said: "The Democratic Party has chosen their nominee, and we have to stand behind their choice."

He declined to comment on the revelation that he is facing a felony charge for allegedly showing obscene photos to a university student.
 
32Building 7
      Leader
      ID: 171572711
      Thu, Jun 10, 2010, 13:47
When Harry Reid wins re-election in November, I suppose we oughta credit the Tea Party, what with Sharron Angle now being his challenger.

Rasmussen Poll: Angle leads reid 50% to 39%
 
33Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Jun 10, 2010, 14:24
I would take any Rasmussen poll with two grains of salt.

I think they would probably poll pretty evenly right now in a real poll--it is the nature of primary campaigns. But as soon as the general campaign starts Angle's views will come back to bite her hard. She just can't run away from her own views.
 
34Mith
      ID: 37540118
      Fri, Jun 11, 2010, 10:54
TPM
After privately meeting with mystery Senate candidate Alvin Greene at a Columbia television station this afternoon, South Carolina State Rep. Bakari Sellers came away believing that Greene is sincere but perhaps misguided in his much-scrutinized bid for Senate.


Sellers added: "I don't think there's anything nefarious going on. I think he actually did save his money," a reference to the $10,440 candidate filing fee the unemployed Greene paid in March. (Greene has said he used savings from his military days.)

Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC) today said he believes Greene, who did not campaign but nevertheless handily beat a well-financed and politically experienced opponent.


Todd Rutherford, another Democratic state representative who met with Greene today alongside Sellers, told TPMmuckraker, "Before I got to my third question, I could tell that something was awry," adding, "I don't know whether everything is OK."

Rutherford, an attorney, said that if Greene were his client, he would move for a mental evaluation. "If there's a joke he doesn't get the joke. If someone paid him to do this, they certainly exploited someone who is vulnerable. It's not even funny, it's just sad."

Greene's interview with South Carolina ETV:
 
35Mith
      ID: 37540118
      Fri, Jun 11, 2010, 11:05
Interview gets tedious at the end, and the reporter's a bit of a dick. Though that's got to be a really difficult interview to do.

Shep Smith did a much better interview with Greene yesterday afternoon.
 
36Boldwin
      ID: 24528715
      Fri, Jun 11, 2010, 17:12
There was no chance of a Dem winning here. What exactly are you trying to accomplish here Don Quixote?
 
37biliruben
      ID: 358252515
      Fri, Jun 11, 2010, 17:24
Read the thread.
 
38Boldwin
      ID: 455401120
      Fri, Jun 11, 2010, 21:41
Besides churning the water to foam looking for a Rovian plot.

Unless that is an end in itself...*boggle*.
 
39Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Fri, Jun 18, 2010, 00:57
let's do a little Tea Party Tally, in regards to the fund being set up by BP:

from this article...

Dick Armey?
And former Texas Republican Representative Dick Armey, a leading voice in the conservative Tea Party movement, told a Christian Science Monitor breakfast this week that Obama lacks the constitutional authority to set up such a fund.

"The Constitution doesn't give that authority to the executive branch.... There are courts for this purpose," Armey said, according to the Dallas Morning News.


and...

n addition, conservative Republican Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota was quoted as telling the Heritage Foundation think tank on Tuesday that the escrow account was a "redistribution-of-wealth fund."

"And now it appears like we'll be looking at one more gateway for more government control, more money to government," she said, according to the Minnesota Independent.


yep, the Tea Party definitely cars about the people...
 
40Boldwin
      ID: 45561815
      Fri, Jun 18, 2010, 16:19
This is just another Chicago shakedown and isn't any more honorable than a kidnapper's ransom demand.
 
41Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Fri, Jun 18, 2010, 16:34
I think, again, you've decided to be flexible with the definitions of words in order to score some cheap political points.
 
42Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Fri, Jun 18, 2010, 23:39
The problem with being the "Against Everything Obama Says or Does Party" is that is makes you look a little silly when you find that the "shakedown" was actually proposed by Republicans a month ago, and agreed to by BP even before their meeting with Obama.
 
43Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Jun 22, 2010, 09:56
The Two Faces of the Tea Party.

I cannot recommend this piece enough. This is spot-on in so many ways.
 
44Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Tue, Jun 22, 2010, 11:12
from the linked article above:

What (CNBC on-air editor Rick) Santelli did not say was just as important. His speech contained no conspiracy theories. He did not rant against “the system.” He did not say that Obama is an illegitimate president. He did not say that Obama is a socialist. Instead, he said (perhaps slightly sarcastically) that White House adviser Lawrence Summers is “a great economist.” On March 2, 2009, he wrote, “I hope that the president and the final stimulus plan succeed,” and, “I love my country and hope that the current administration succeeds in fixing the complicated economic and social issues our country now faces.”

These are not the words of a conspiracy theorist. They are not the words of someone who believes the government is fundamentally corrupt. They are the words of a man who is worried about America’s future, but who thinks the right mix of policy and leadership can cure the nation’s ills. They are the words of a forward-looking, optimistic, free-market populist.


to me, that's the nutshell. if the Tea Party represented this side, they'd be more palatable. but Glenn Beck's Tea Party? no thanks.

on a side note, i had no idea Beck was a Mormon. I wonder what Baldwin's take on that.
 
45Boldwin
      ID: 545192117
      Tue, Jun 22, 2010, 20:51
Could be worse. He could be a secular humanist for example.
 
46Pancho Villa
      ID: 29118157
      Wed, Jun 23, 2010, 08:48
There's nothing wrong with being a secular humanist; or a Mormon; or a Jehovah's Witness, Catholic, Jew, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, etc.

There is something wrong with condemning people based on their beliefs instead of their actions.
 
47Pancho Villa
      ID: 29118157
      Fri, Jun 25, 2010, 12:02
Turns out Tea Party sweetheart, J D Hayworth wasn't very concerned about runaway federal spending just 3 years ago. In fact, he promoted it.
 
48Tree
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      Wed, Jul 14, 2010, 08:53
Add decency to the list of those the Tea Party of knocked down....

...then again, that lack of decency had already happened...this just takes it to another level.
 
49Boldwin
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      Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 14:15
Tree, the arbiter of decency.
 
50Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Thu, Jul 15, 2010, 14:18
in my attitudes and beliefs toward my fellow human, there's little doubt i'm much more decent than you, troll.
 
51Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Sun, Jul 18, 2010, 17:34
you can put it on the boooooooooooooooooard...

Latest person the tea party takes down?

leader and tea party spokesman Mark Williams.

let's hear it for mark - he'll collect his consolation prize from Vanna on the way out.

 
52Razor
      ID: 265539
      Sun, Jul 18, 2010, 18:03
How embarrassing. The Tea Party is in the midst of a media war trying to quell criticism that racism is pervasive in the movement, and one of its most prominent figures goes off and posts this:

Dear Mr. Lincoln

We Coloreds have taken a vote and decided that we don’t cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!

In fact we held a big meeting and took a vote in Kansas City this week. We voted to condemn a political revival of that old abolitionist spirit called the ‘tea party movement’.

The tea party position to “end the bailouts” for example is just silly. Bailouts are just big money welfare and isn’t that what we want all Coloreds to strive for? What kind of racist would want to end big money welfare? What they need to do is start handing the bail outs directly to us coloreds! Of course, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is the only responsible party that should be granted the right to disperse the funds.

And the ridiculous idea of “reduce[ing] the size and intrusiveness of government.” What kind of massa would ever not want to control my life? As Coloreds we must have somebody care for us otherwise we would be on our own, have to think for ourselves and make decisions!

The racist tea parties also demand that the government “stop the out of control spending.” Again, they directly target coloreds. That means we Coloreds would have to compete for jobs like everybody else and that is just not right.

Perhaps the most racist point of all in the tea parties is their demand that government “stop raising our taxes.” That is outrageous! How will we coloreds ever get a wide screen TV in every room if non-coloreds get to keep what they earn? Totally racist! The tea party expects coloreds to be productive members of society?

Mr. Lincoln, you were the greatest racist ever. We had a great gig. Three squares, room and board, all our decisions made by the massa in the house. Please repeal the 13th and 14th Amendments and let us get back to where we belong.

Sincerely

Precious Ben Jealous, Tom’s Nephew NAACP Head Colored Person
 
53Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Sun, Jul 18, 2010, 18:06
In the Tea Party's favor, they *have* taken efforts to disassociate themselves from just this sort of person.

In addition, they have focused their message on more purely economic ones--staying clear of social issues such as gay marriage.
 
54Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Sun, Jul 18, 2010, 18:10
PD - no doubt. i can't help feel that the reason they're doing that NOW is because of the increased scrutiny placed on things like this.

a few months ago, i tend to think they would have taken the "ignore it, and it'll go away" approach.
 
55Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Sun, Jul 18, 2010, 18:29
Maybe they are doing it for scrutiny reasons, but IMO that's a little too cynical.

These people are wrong on the issues. It doesn't mean that they are wrong because they are racist of wrong because they are hypocritical or not making good faith arguments.

They just happen to be wrong. And led by a conservative media more interested in stirring the pot than solving issues.
 
56Mith
      ID: 2672547
      Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 08:48
Here's one for your tally...
On June 22, he was defeated in the primary runoff by Spartanburg County 7th Circuit Solicitor Trey Gowdy, who had assailed Inglis for supposedly straying from his conservative roots, pointing to his vote for the bank bailout and against George W. Bush's surge in Iraq. Inglis, who served six years in Congress during the 1990s as a conservative firebrand before being reelected to the House in 2004, had also ticked off right-wingers in the state's 4th Congressional District by urging tea-party activists to "turn Glenn Beck off" and by calling on Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) to apologize for shouting "You lie!" at Obama during the president's State of the Union address. For this, Inglis, who boasts (literally) a 93 percent lifetime rating from the American Conservative Union, received the wrath of the tea party, losing to Gowdy 71 to 29 percent. In the weeks since, Inglis has criticized Republican House leaders for acquiescing to a poisonous, tea party-driven "demagoguery" that he believes will undermine the GOP's long-term credibility. And he's freely recounting his frustrating interactions with tea party types, while noting that Republican leaders are pushing rhetoric tainted with racism, that conservative activists are dabbling in anti-Semitic conspiracy theory nonsense, and that Sarah Palin celebrates ignorance.


While he was campaigning, Inglis says, tea party activists and conservative voters kept pushing him to describe Obama as a "socialist." But, he says, "It's a dangerous strategy to build conservatism on information and policies that are not credible...This guy is no socialist." He continues:
The word is designed to have emotional charge to it. Throughout my primary, there were people insisting that I use the word. They would ask me if he was a socialist, and I would always find some other word. I'd say, "President Obama wants a very large government that I don't think will work and that spends too much and it's inefficient and it compromises freedom and it's not the way we want to go." They would listen for the word, wait to see if I used the s-word, and when I didn't, you could see the disappointment.
Why not give these voters what they wanted? Inglis says he wasn't willing to lie:
I refused to use the word because I have this view that the Ninth Commandment must mean something. I remember one year Bill Clinton—the guy I was out to get [when serving on the House judiciary committee in the 1990s]—at the National Prayer Breakfast said something that was one of the most profound things I've ever heard from anybody at a gathering like that. He said, "The most violated commandment in Washington, DC"—everybody leaned in; do tell, Mr. President—"is, 'Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor.'" I thought, "He's right. That is the most violated commandment in Washington." For me to go around saying that Barack Obama is a socialist is a violation of the Ninth Commandment. He is a liberal fellow. I'm conservative. We disagree...But I don't need to call him a socialist, and I hurt the country by doing so. The country has to come together to find a solution to these challenges or else we go over the cliff.



After Obama entered the White House, Inglis worked up a piece of campaign literature—in the form of a cardboard coaster that flipped open—that noted that Republicans should collaborate (not compromise) with Democrats to produce workable policies. "America's looking for solutions, not wedges," it read. He met with almost every member of the House Republican caucus to make his pitch: "What we needed to be is the adults who say absolutely we will work with [the new president]."

Instead, he remarks, his party turned toward demagoguery. Inglis lists the examples: falsely claiming Obama's health care overhaul included "death panels," raising questions about Obama's birthplace, calling the president a socialist, and maintaining that the Community Reinvestment Act was a major factor of the financial meltdown. "CRA," Inglis says, "has been around for decades. How could it suddenly create this problem? You see how that has other things worked into it?" Racism? "Yes," Inglis says.

As an example of both the GOP pandering to right-wing voters and conservative talk show hosts undercutting sensible policymaking, Inglis points to climate change. Fossil fuels, he notes, get a free ride because they're "negative externalities"—that is, pollution and the effects of climate change—"are not recognized" in the market. Sitting in front of a wall-sized poster touting clean technology centers in South Carolina, Inglis says that conservatives "should be the ones screaming. This is a conservative concept: accountability. This is biblical law: you cannot do on your property what harms your neighbor's property." Which is why he supports placing a price on carbon—and forcing polluters to cover it.


Inglis voted against the cap-and-trade climate legislation, believing it would create a new tax, lead to a "hopelessly complicated" trading scheme for carbon, and harm American manufacturing by handing China and India a competitive edge on energy costs. Instead, he proposed a revenue-neutral tax swap: Payroll taxes would be reduced, and the amount of that reduction would be applied as a tax on carbon dioxide emissions—mainly hitting coal plants and natural gas facilities. (This tax would be removed from exported goods and imposed on imported products—thus neutralizing any competitive advantage for China, India, and other manufacturing nations.)

Here was a conservative market-based plan. Did it receive any interest from House GOP leaders? Inglis shakes his head: "It's the t-word." Tax. He adds, "It's so contrary to the rhetoric we've got out there, to what Beck, Limbaugh, and others are saying."

For Inglis, this is the crux of the dilemma: Republican members of Congress know "deep down" that they need to deliver conservative solutions like his tax swap. Yet, he adds, "We're being driven as herd by these hot microphones—which are like flame throwers—that are causing people to run with fear and panic, and Republican members of Congress are afraid of being run over by that stampeding crowd." Inglis says that it's hard for Republicans in Congress to "summon the courage" to say no to Beck, Limbaugh, and the tea party wing. "When we start just delivering rhetoric and more misinformation...we're failing the conservative movement," he says. "We're failing the country." Yet, he notes, Boehner and House minority whip Eric Cantor have one primary strategic calculation: Play to the tea party crowd. "It's a dangerous strategy," he contends, "to build conservatism on information and policies that are not credible."


What about Sarah Palin? Inglis pauses for a moment: "I think that there are people who seem to think that ignorance is strength." And he says of her: "If I choose to remain ignorant and uninformed and encourage people to follow me while I celebrate my lack of information," that's not responsible.


And when he thinks about what lies ahead for his party and GOP House leaders, he can't help but chuckle. With Boehner and others chasing after the tea party, he says, "that's going to be the dog that catches the car." He quickly adds: "And the Democrats, if they go into the minority, are going to have an enjoyable couple of years watching that dog deal with the car it's caught.



The tea party is the zeitgeist.
 
57Boldwin
      ID: 1173849
      Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 10:48
That guy was wrong on all counts and needed to be trounced.
 
58tree on the evo
      ID: 4251457
      Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 13:46
What made him wrong? That 93 percent
approval rate?
 
59DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 14:00
Clearly, Boldwin agrees with the American Conservative Union exactly 7% of the time. What's the problem?
 
60Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 14:04
He refused to call Obama a "socialist." In a party in which a united front is more important than anything else, he's just gotta go.
 
61Boldwin
      ID: 2885123
      Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 00:05
"primary defeat of incumbent Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski (confirmed by her concession yesterday) by former judge Joe Miller"

Incumbents don't get defeated easily.
 
62Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 00:58
"primary defeat of incumbent Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski (confirmed by her concession yesterday) by former judge Joe Miller"

Incumbents don't get defeated easily.


actually, in the case of Alaska's Class 3 senators (Murkowski's class), they do.

Three of four people who have served in Class 3 - including Lisa Murkowski - lost in one of their renomination bids. Only Murkowski's father - who resigned to become Governor, did not.

sorry to burst your bubble.
 
63Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 01:26
Miller's win actually gives Dems a chance to take the seat. Murkowski would have blown away Scott McAdams in the General Election, but it looks like McAdams is about 6 points or so away, in a state that a Democrat should never really be within 10 points in a Senate election.
 
64Building 7
      Leader
      ID: 171572711
      Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 07:54
Incumbents win like 80% of the time. I doubt Boldwin was referring to Class 3 senators in Alaska when he made that statement.
 
65Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 08:36
I doubt Boldwin was referring to Class 3 senators in Alaska when he made that statement.

oh, so do i. his lack of research on this boards in recent years is well established.
 
66Boldwin
      ID: 1183027
      Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 08:40
Well, yeah, except for class three senators from Alaska, of course I didn't mean them.
 
67Building 7
      ID: 229152116
      Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 09:07
Doing research is required to post on these boards?
Who made that rule?

And an incumbent running in a primary wins like 90% of the time.
 
68Mith
      ID: 28646259
      Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 09:15
Tree are you saying there is something inherent to being a class 3 senator from AK that makes one more susceptable to losing an election? Or are you just noting an irrelevency for the purpose of pointless nitpicking?
 
69Building 7
      Leader
      ID: 171572711
      Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 09:31
We only have two senators where I live, so a class three senator must be pretty bad.
 
70Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 09:34
Senators are divided into three classes, depending upon when they get re-elected. A third of the Senate is elected every two years.
 
71Boldwin
      ID: 1183027
      Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 09:37
Lol....what would we do without PD?
 
72Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 09:57
Live a richer, fuller life?
 
73Boldwin
      ID: 1183027
      Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 10:00
Awww, give us a hug!
 
74Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 10:29
Tree are you saying there is something inherent to being a class 3 senator from AK that makes one more susceptable to losing an election? Or are you just noting an irrelevency for the purpose of pointless nitpicking?

i was pointing out specifics. while in the bigger picture, what happens with Class 3 senators from Alaska is an outlier, in the specific picture of Alaskan politics, it doesn't seem so unusual for an incumbent to lose in a primary.
 
75Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Wed, Sep 15, 2010, 04:16
Tea party victory endangers GOP’s goal of retaking the Senate

The difference between O'Donnell and other tea party-backed Senate candidates is she's running in a state that traditionally elects moderates. O'Donnell, a perennial candidate who once argued against masturbation on a MTV special, is not likely to move toward the middle, as Rubio has, and she doesn't look to benefit from the same anti-incumbent wave that's driven Angle's poll numbers against Harry Reid in Nevada. That's the key reason why national Republicans are so loathe to embrace O'Donnell's candidacy.
 
76Boldwin
      ID: 35816155
      Wed, Sep 15, 2010, 08:37
Castle co-founded a group with George Soros. Winning a majority but being beholden to Soros is not winning at all.

Beware of any poll saying the Tea Party candidate has no chance this year.

Rubio 43, Crist 27, Meek 21

Because those polls have a habit of sliding in favor of the Tea Party candidate.

 
77Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Wed, Sep 15, 2010, 09:47
Beware of any poll saying the Tea Party candidate has no chance this year.

Rubio 43, Crist 27, Meek 21

Because those polls have a habit of sliding in favor of the Tea Party candidate.


and, as most articles about Rubio and the Tea Party have pointed out, he has attempted to shift many of his positions into a more moderate realm than they were when he ran with the Tea Party backing.

much like Scott Brown, who indeed proved to be the relative moderate many said he was, you'll stop cheering for Rubio too as his middle-ground positions become more obvious.
 
78Boldwin
      ID: 57852158
      Wed, Sep 15, 2010, 09:55
Pollster explains Tea Party.
I [Glenn Reynolds - B] talk with Scott Rasmussen about his new book, Mad As Hell: How The Tea Party Movement Is Fundamentally Remaking Our Two-Party System, and about how much to trust the polls. Plus, what went wrong for Obama....it’s interesting that he notes, both in the book and the interview, that voters aren’t as flighty as politicos claim. They keep voting for people who promise lower taxes and smaller government, and they keep seeing those promises broken. - Instapundit
 
79Boldwin
      ID: 57852158
      Wed, Sep 15, 2010, 09:58
Tree

Have you been following Crist's movements as well? His trustworthiness polling numbers are plumbing new depths.
 
80Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Wed, Sep 15, 2010, 10:27
Have you been following Crist's movements as well? His trustworthiness polling numbers are plumbing new depths.

this isn't about Crist. This is about the Tea Party, who are through a monkey wrench in the plans of the GOP, which is fine.

it's also about Rubio, who is without question becoming more moderate as the election draws nearer. the smart Tea Party candidate will do that.
 
81Mith
      ID: 28646259
      Wed, Sep 15, 2010, 10:37
They keep voting for people who promise lower taxes and smaller government, and they keep seeing those promises broken.

? Like Barack Obama?
 
82Boldwin
      ID: 57852158
      Wed, Sep 15, 2010, 17:23
It's not like he was up front about his socialism. Besides peope were just voting for the charisma. The bloom is off that rose.
 
83Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Wed, Sep 15, 2010, 18:23
It's not like he was up front about his socialism. Besides peope were just voting for the charisma. The bloom is off that rose.

all three of those comments are based in absurdity.
 
84Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Wed, Sep 15, 2010, 18:30
a true Tea Party Tally:

'New Palin' Celebrates Tea Party Primary Win


Tim Kaine, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, said: "There are seats that six months ago we would have lost that we will now win in November because Republicans are picking candidates outside of the mainstream."

Karl Rove: Christine O'Donnell said 'nutty things'

“I’ve met her. I wasn’t frankly impressed by her abilities as a candidate,” Rove said during an interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity. “One thing that O’Donnell is now going to have to answer in the general election that she didn't in the primary is her own checkered background.”

“There were a lot of nutty things she has been saying that don't add up,” Rove added.
“Why did she mislead voters about her college education? How come it took nearly two decades to pay her college bills so she could get her college degree? How did she make a living?”


Righty pundits on 'suicide' watch

Former WSJer Tunku Varadarajan, in the Daily Beast:

The Tea Party has won its precious primaries. And I am stomping my foot as I write this, because that party has succeeded in handing American democracy back to the floundering Democrats.


Frum Forum also sees a dark day for the GOP:

The real action in this election cycle was in the Republican primaries, they are almost over, and we already know who won: (drum roll, please!) President Obama.
There's your Tea Party Tally.

please, for the love of God, let Sarah Palin run for president in 2012.
 
85Boldwin
      ID: 57852158
      Wed, Sep 15, 2010, 19:54
Can someone please interpret this for me?

Bill Clinton at a Dem fundraiser -
Former President Bill Clinton said Tuesday that the Republican Party is embracing "ideology over evidence" and pushing out pragmatic voices that would make even his White House successor seem like a liberal.

Clinton, speaking at a Democratic fundraiser in Minneapolis...Clinton, speaking at a Democratic fundraiser in Minneapolis, said there was no mistaking that Republicans have tacked hard right and questioned whether former President George W. Bush would fit in among the party's candidates this year.

"A lot of their candidates today, they make him look like a liberal," Clinton told an enthusiastic crowd at a downtown hotel as he campaigned for Democratic gubernatorial candidate Mark Dayton...

"The Boston Tea Party was protesting abuse of power. This is now trading public power for the abuse of private power," Clinton said
Is he actually saying their voting Tea Party is an abuse of private power?
 
86Boldwin
      ID: 57852158
      Wed, Sep 15, 2010, 21:11
Maybe he is talking about when he traded on his public power and handed it over to the Stephens family and Mochtar Riady.
 
87Mith
      ID: 28646259
      Wed, Sep 15, 2010, 22:03
I think that's probably it.
 
88Boldwin
      ID: 288321621
      Fri, Sep 17, 2010, 06:51
Gone global.
 
89biliruben
      ID: 16105237
      Fri, Sep 17, 2010, 06:55
Like H1N1, except more destructive to civilization.
 
90Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Fri, Sep 17, 2010, 11:01
TPM is going to town with this lady. Three years ago she claimed scientist had made mice with "fully functioning human brains."

Ladies and gentlemen: Your anti-education candidate.
 
91DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Fri, Sep 17, 2010, 11:17
If believing in mice having mice brains and humans having human brains make me an elitist, sign me up!
 
92Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Sep 18, 2010, 17:47
If "palling around with terrorists" is a reason to reject a political candidate:



Hey, it wasn't me who insisted that we must judge political candidates by the most unsavory characteristics of their associates.

How's that flow, Boldy?
 
93Boldwin
      ID: 258301821
      Sat, Sep 18, 2010, 22:30
Those not following science mock those of us who do.

Tho functioning brain cells and functioning brains are not entirely coterminous.
 
94Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Sep 18, 2010, 22:49
functioning brain cells and functioning brains are not entirely coterminous

They would not even close to coterminous - if that were something that would be relevent. But it's not, because fully functioning stem cells and fully functioning brain cells aren't anything close to coterminous, either.
 
95Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Sep 18, 2010, 22:51
Those not following science what political candidates actually say mock those of us who do.
 
96Boldwin
      ID: 258301821
      Sat, Sep 18, 2010, 23:41
My point was that her statement was close enuff for government work. The average person reading that story would easily draw that conclusion. I will say that there is something deeply disturbing about human brain cells in mice. Twisted.

I will also say that very nearly zero of you were aware of that story which puts her ahead of you in science awareness.
 
97Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Sep 18, 2010, 23:52
very nearly zero of you were aware of that story

That's crap. In fact I believe it's been discussed here/
 
98Razor
      ID: 265539
      Sun, Sep 19, 2010, 23:22
This statement, apparently:
American scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains.
is close enough to this:
Less than one-tenth of one percent of the test mice's brain cells are human.
It's honestly tiresome to have morons like O'Connell in the public eye because their followers share the same charactersitics and can't identify facts when they see them or make sound logical arguments, leaving the rest of us to waste our time trying to go through all this rubbish.
 
99Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Mon, Sep 20, 2010, 01:24
American scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains.

Seriously old news...


Hell, Steamboat Willie was able to navigate a vessel back in the 20's.
 
100Boldwin
      ID: 118532113
      Tue, Sep 21, 2010, 14:54
Razor

That was probably imprecise speech making a rushed sidepoint. If you really think she believes there might be little english speaking einsteins in labs you are probably doing less critical thinking than she is.

On the otherhand once you are putting them in there where does it end? If you can't see how unethical and distasteful this is...off to the Island of Morreau. The power elite have been playing godlike situational ethics games that they don't have the right or ability to handle.

 
101DWetzel at work
      ID: 49962710
      Tue, Sep 21, 2010, 15:02
Well, Here's the actual transcript. It doesn't look to me like it was a "rushed side point", but opinions can differ, I suppose.
 
102Razor
      ID: 57854118
      Wed, Sep 22, 2010, 10:04
Like I said, no sense in going through this rubbish.
 
103Boldwin
      ID: 448192421
      Fri, Sep 24, 2010, 23:20
“We knew they were desperate, but no one suspected the Left would turn this into a literal witch-hunt.” - Robert Stacy McCain
 
104Mith
      ID: 28646259
      Fri, Sep 24, 2010, 23:46
When she's accused of familial ties and nefarious cnspiracy with Kenyan dictators, then you can call it a witch hunt.
 
105Boldwin
      ID: 1610122510
      Sun, Nov 25, 2012, 11:12
#MarkLevin: "You tea party purists? You know why you're hated? Because you're the only thing standing b/t our liberty & their #Tyranny."

Add Saxby Chambliss and Peter King to the list of people who need to go in order to save the country.
 
106Boldwin
      ID: 1610122510
      Sun, Nov 25, 2012, 11:19
Oh, and Lindsey Graham. Most definately must go.
 
107PV in GJ
      ID: 1010151016
      Sun, Nov 25, 2012, 12:39
Mark Levin is the one who definitely must go.
 
108Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Sun, Nov 25, 2012, 16:56
this is so fun to watch.

i wonder if the GOP or the Tea Party will have *any* relevance in four years.
 
109sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Sun, Nov 25, 2012, 17:08
The rampant denial by the GOP, is absolutely mind boggling. Then you have the far right, which while mystifying to begin with, has since shown itself to be utterly unable to grasp reality AT ALL.

*IF*, the GOP fractures with the TP forming it's own party, and only those they call RINO remaining as GOP, then the GOP is doomed. There are not enough moderates or TP types in the GOP, to allow either one to carry the day without the other.
 
120sarge33rd
      ID: 12554167
      Mon, Nov 26, 2012, 01:25
Honest question Boldwin: Is it your intent, to be so disagreeable that the rest of us grow so frustrated in responding to your nonsense, that Dave Hall decides to just shut down this forum? Is THAT, your real purpose here?
 
124Tree
      ID: 1910562515
      Mon, Nov 26, 2012, 11:07
as a quick follow up, you've more or less refused to respond to counters to your points - whether i make them, Sarge makes, PV, MITH, PD, whomever - you either change the subject, or flat out ignore it.

that doesn't make for good discussion. when you posted "so and so has gone underground", and then someone else posts a photo of that person at a polling station during a recount, you conveniently ignore that FACT.

if you were in interested in actual discussion, you would confront the counter-posts to the many you post. instead, you'd prefer to ignore them when you're proven wrong.