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Subject: Floyd Landis finally owns up


  Posted by: Perm Dude - [5510572522] Thu, May 20, 2010, 09:34

Admits to extensive doping practices.

old thread on Landis here
 
1Seattle Zen
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      Thu, May 20, 2010, 16:58
Well, I'd say cycling has a slight doping problem, not the least of which is the fact that all interest in the sport in the USA will vanish when it is shown that even Mr. Livestrong doped throughout his Tour de France winning streak.

The similarities between Lance and Roger Clemens do not end at both being Texans...
 
2Seattle Zen
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      Wed, May 26, 2010, 15:44
Information Floyd Landis recently gave to the United States Anti-Doping Agency about how cyclists have and still are getting around the biological passport analysis system could have an immediate impact on the sport
Landis told ESPN.com last week that during the two or three years leading up to his 2006 Tour de France victory -- subsequently nullified after he tested positive for synthetic testosterone -- he and some of his fellow riders combined strategically timed transfusions and microdoses of EPO (erythropoietin, a red blood cell booster) in order to keep their blood values constant rather than spiking and dipping. The main difference between their methodology and that of riders in the 1990s, Landis said, was riders of his era learned to inject EPO intravenously rather than subcutaneously, as a cancer patient or someone with another grave illness would do.

When EPO is injected under the skin, it is absorbed first into soft tissue and released into the bloodstream gradually, prolonging its therapeutic effects. Injecting EPO intravenously has the same effect of boosting red blood cell count and improving oxygen processing capacity. However, the drug disperses more quickly in the bloodstream and thus becomes undetectable sooner -- especially if riders dilute their blood with an intravenous drip of saline solution or simply by drinking a lot of water after injecting it.

Roughly speaking, the biological passport is designed to catch riders who cheat based on fluctuations in their baseline blood values. One fundamental element is the ratio of their "young" or new red blood cells, called reticulocytes, compared to mature cells. When an athlete transfuses his own blood, the body responds by slowing down production of reticulocytes. Landis said riders brought the level of red blood cell production back to normal by microdosing with EPO during races on a nightly basis.According to Landis, the coup de grace that made this methodology work was that he and his U.S. Postal Service teammates routinely had advance notice of supposedly unannounced anti-doping controls. "We always knew when the blood testers were going to be there the following morning, so we would know when to have the saline solution bags so we could dilute our blood the night before," he said. He said he did not know how the team staff got wind of the schedule. "It was just nice that they did," he said.

"You can use three to four times your body's normal production of EPO if you inject it intravenously and have virtually no chance of testing positive within a matter of hours," Landis told ESPN.com. "So the biological passport is a joke, and I'm fairly certain the UCI knows about it." Landis added that he bought an expensive piece of machinery to measure his own reticulocyte count and also learned to do the analysis manually with a microscope.

Maybe I'm the only one, but I love learning about how to beat drug tests.
 
3Seattle Zen
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      Wed, Jun 02, 2010, 19:30
Armstrong may be investigated by the Feds.

The odds of Lance getting through this scott free just went up quite a bit. It seems that Jeff Novitsky is going to lead the investigation, the same clown who lied to federal judges many times in his warrant requests regarding his BALCO investigation. This guy has been out witted by Barry Bonds. The Texas bicyclist should rest easy.
 
4boikin
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      Thu, Jun 03, 2010, 09:39
RE: 2 what an interesting read. Makes you wonder how he was dumb enough to get caught.
 
7Frick
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      Thu, Jun 03, 2010, 12:03
Deadspin

Cycling's governing body will look into allegations that riders have been cheating by concealing small motors in the frames of their bikes. You know what? Let them strap rockets on the back, the sport's already a joke.

That's all the site has besides a picture of a crankcase. There is also a curse word I edited out of the quote above. So semi-NSFW.
 
8Perm Dude
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      Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 02:14
USADA to strip Armstrong of his 7 Tour de France titles.

Sounds to me like they are taking his refusal to continue to fight as proof of his guilt, despite many, many tests that say otherwise.
 
9sarge33rd
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      Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 02:24
Agreed PD. There is legitimate question, as to the USADA's authority to strip him of anything. Given that the judge who tossed Armstrongs counter-suit said there is room to question the motives of USADA, I'm surprised he in fact tossed the suit.
 
10Razor
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      Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 09:54
There are also many witnesses close to Armstrong lined up against him.

I think giving up in and of itself calls into question his innocence. Would a guy renowned for his toughness in beating cancer give up fighting a case that falsely accused him of cheating and that would destroy his reputation?
 
11Perm Dude
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      Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 10:46
After so many years of fighting, I can't blame the guy. He obviously thinks the process is rigged and just doesn't want to deal with it anymore.

Fighting cancer is one thing; fighting a pack of baying hyenas for years is another.
 
12DWetzel
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      Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 10:52
1. I think he probably cheated (I think that 100% of the top riders of that time probably did).

2. Given the absolute lack of discretion that is given for positive tests, it's totally absurd to actually act against someone when the tests are negative. "Yeah, well, we know that's what the test says but..." doesn't cut it for the athlete, it shouldn't cut it for the testers either.
 
13Razor
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      Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 10:55
I don't really see the motivation of the USADA and a bunch of Armstrong associates to all conspire to smear Armstrong. Nor do I think that the judicial process at several steps all came to the same erroneous conclusion.
 
14Perm Dude
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      Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 11:05
Organizations have a certain pride in proving that their own allegations are truthful. So if they are not, they get stuck repeating the same thing over and over--particularly a group which is set up to police itself.

The motivation is circular, then--they are motivated to demonstrate that they are right.

Note that they have witnesses but we have no idea what they will say, and they say they (now) have physical evidence which no one else has been able to verify. What we do know if that Armstrong took hundreds of test, over many years, and no physical test previously has shown him to have cheated.
 
15Perm Dude
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      Fri, Aug 24, 2012, 11:29
HuffPo article has some more details.