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Subject: 2011 Poli Baseball Season Discussion

Posted by: Tree - [4010381517] Wed, Jan 26, 2011, 15:52

let's get it on!

Tree
ID: 4010381517
Wed, Jan 26, 2011, 15:59

i'm looking to make some deals. there's no one on my roster that is completely untouchable, but certain guys would have to be moved in the right deals.

i've got 6 that are definite keepers for me - Dunn, Pujols, Reyes, Teixeira, Upton, and Lincecum. they'll be tougher to pry from me.

other prospects/superstars i am looking to move include:
Joe Mauer
Gordon Beckham
Matt Garza
Jonathan Sanchez
Jonathan Papelbon

plus anyone i've not listed.

i'd really like to see our hot stove league do something this season.

and i'd be lying if i didn't want to see some our weaker teams make big moves - with me or with anyone else - to make their teams better.

on a personal level, it was frustrating to see some of those teams NOT make moves as the trading deadline approached, swapping above average to good players to contenders for younger players they could rebuild off of.

anyway, let's get this hot stove league going!

astade
ID: 78462922
Wed, Jan 26, 2011, 20:40

wow, that is a stacked team. I wish i had that problem in our other keeper league (DD). Good luck to all and let me know if an opening comes up in this league...I'd be interested!

Tree
ID: 320371412
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 00:35

that's a stacked team that came in 8th place. this is the most challenging league i've ever played in.

i think i finished in the top 3 five years running until this past season.

Boldwin
ID: 4058276
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 08:14

I've been on my first ever youth movement in this league. I've already been waiting for half a decade it seems for most of them...

Liriano 27

Zimmerman 26

Carlos Gonzalez 25

Butler 24

Wieters 24

~~Strasburg 22~~

I've let too many Carlos Beltrans go before they made it big because they weren't as good as my keepers at the time. This time I'm gonna hold'em so don't look down yer nose at me for not trading.

Prolly fill the rest with Haren/Beltran or Haren/Granderson.

But how to keep Starlin Castro to see if he ever goes supernova? He'll be another heartbreak after I let him go. The farm system here just doesn't work often as presently constituted. I should prolly lose Wieters as catchers just don't play enuff to add up the stats but too many scouts like his swing too much.

Boldwin
ID: 4058276
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 08:17

Maybe I'll do something crazy like dropping Beltran and Granderson and keep Castro. Just completely role the dice on youth, but prolly not.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 08:19

Last year's standings:

1. bili-bruisen 111.5
2. Coldwater Coyotes 109
3. Building 7 95
4. Panchovians 85
5. DustStorm Troopers (C1) 80
6. GObama (Great One) 78
7. Dubai Camel Jockeys (nerveclinic) 75.5
8. Necro Butchers Ear (tree) 71.5
9. Naked Celts (myboyjack) 69
10. Tax Errors (Taxman) 68
11. Vampirez 64
11. Obamas (Perm Dude) 64
13. Baldwin's Berserkers 42.5
14. Action Figures 37

Tree
ID: 320371412
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 08:38

Maybe I'll do something crazy like dropping Beltran and Granderson and keep Castro. Just completely role the dice on youth, but prolly not.

i guess it's just a difference of philosophy. i'm not fond of sharing strategies with other teams, but at this point, there isn't any question i'd keep Castro over Beltran.

Beltran is 33. he's had two injury plagued seasons, where he combined for 17 home runs, 14 SBs, and saw his average plummet to .255 last season. he also plays a position where there are a lot of strong players, and a position more likely to feature break out stars than other position.

Granderson is decent enough. but with 24 homers, 12 SBs, and a .247 average, he's' borderline as a keeper.

Castro though? he's 21. he was a .300 hitter at 20. he's got speed. and he plays a position that is hard to fill, much less over the next decade.

to me, it's a no brainer. he's ranked so far ahead on my board than Beltran, it isn't even comparable.

Boldwin
ID: 4058276
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 09:07

I've been reading scouts who think Wieters and Butler have batting champ potential swings for years and years. I don't hear that with Castro so it's really hard to give up those 20+hr/20+sb combined guys for him.

This is the kinda scouting report I really get on Starlin. I see me getting a .300 hitting, run scoring, groundball slaphitter with not quite tasty enuff SB's to make up for the lack of HR if I roll with him.

Beltran has the knees but the better upside. Granderson has really disappointed but even half a great year on the Yankees can go a long way.

Boldwin
ID: 4058276
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 09:30

Maybe you can't rule out his developing power. His massive doubles total just says he has speed, not power potential in this case, but still 20...who can tell?

Still dumping Beltran for someone who hits all groundballs and isn't as good on the bases as he is fast...

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 09:34

Granderson is 29, hits in the Bronx, and has 3 more years in his contract. I don't think he'll turn it around like Cano, but he's a likely 20-20 guy. A bubble keeper with a high upside.

He thrived in the playoffs, so we can rule out Yankee pressure as a factor now.

Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 09:46

Still dumping Beltran for someone who hits all groundballs and isn't as good on the bases as he is fast...

...Beltran has the knees but the better upside.

then i recommend you keep a 33 year old injury prone outfielder in the twilight of his career who isn't even in the top 60 of his position over a 20 year old shortstop who could be a bust...or could be a boom.

Boldwin
ID: 4058276
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 10:17

Let me ask you a question, Tree. If he slides to you in the first round do you take him?

I do have the second pick, btw.

Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 11:00

who? Beltran? he's barely even on my draft board. in the first round? not a chance. heck, i can't even imagine a scenario where i take him in the first five rounds.

if he's around in the 10th round, and i need an OF4 or an OF5, then i *might* take him, depending on who else is available.

Boldwin
ID: 4058276
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 11:35

Is Michael Young [34] in the twilight already?

Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 11:54

age is relative to the player. it's not age, but things like recent performance. A-Rod is in the Twilight of his career, but he's still a first or second round pick.

but comparing Young and Beltran since 2002, (Young's first full season in the Bigs):

Michael Young has played in 155+ games in 8 of 9 seasons; Beltran three times.

over the last three seasons, Young beats Beltran in four of the five categories (Beltran wins out in SB),

he doesn't have the injury history of Beltran.

he plays at The Ballpark in Arlington, not Citifield.

he is 3B eligible, and quality 3B are more scarce than quality OF. for his position, he's a top 8 player, not a top 60 player.

and this season, he'll likely end up being eligible at 1b and 3b for sure, and could very well qualify at 2b and SS.

you have a tendancy to overvalue players who's careers are declining. We'll call it the Soriano Principle.

but that's why we play the game. like i said, by all means, keep Beltran over Castro. that's absolutely your decision. I'm not saying Beltran won't have a comeback year, but to me, there isn't even a question.

C1-NRB
ID: 2672611
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 13:22

And Michael Young is also available for trade; in case anyone is interested...

Boldwin
ID: 4058276
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 14:28

Now if I could just be sure 12 other owners feel the same way.

Great One
ID: 10142615
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 15:38

I was baffled by the lack of desire of the bottom teams to make trades to improve themselves long term. One bottom team had a guy who was going to retire... and wouldn't sell him for a draft pick or a player i.e. Nathan who would have some value right now. That seemed crazy to me.

I have no idea how I managed to finish 6th after languishing around 12th most of the year. Of course I made a bunch of trades to revamp my team around the all star break, so there ya go. Greinke to MIL should be good for this team too. That was a positive.

How many do we keep? Nine?

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 16:12

I think 7.

I doubt Beltran will go in the first 3 rounds. Unless he has a great camp. His knees are messed up. SB's should decline. Why don't you keep Strasburg?

And its the Soriano Syndrome , not Soriano principle. It has a better ring to it.

Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 17:03

Now if I could just be sure 12 other owners feel the same way.

if you hadn't said anything, i serously doubt he would have gone in the first 50 picks of the draft.

I was baffled by the lack of desire of the bottom teams to make trades to improve themselves long term.

baffling, shocking, and infuriating. i was told flat out by Action Figures that he wouldn't trade with me because his trade with me the previous year helped me win the championship.

the top teams in this league makes moves all the time to improve. i don't remember the particulars, but GO and I had a blockbuster last year.

meanwhile, the bottom dwellers could have moved players to contenders for draft picks, but simply refused to better their own squads.

Boldwin
ID: 4058276
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 17:51

B7

Cause I figure there's a likelyhood he's only 75% the pitcher he would have been if he ever does return. And it's such a drag carrying a player you know won't do you any good all year. Then again if there ever was a pitcher not to give up on....hmmm.

I spose Wieters and Butler are still a year off anyway.

Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 18:00

Cause I figure there's a likelyhood he's only 75% the pitcher he would have been if he ever does return

i guess you're still living in the 70s in Fantasy Baseball too.

plenty of guys have returned from it and remained at a high skill levels, including some of the best pitchers in baseball right now.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 18:45

If I were you, Baldwin, I would absolutely look at keeping Strasburg. If for no other reason than other managers have expressed their interest in him.

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Thu, Jan 27, 2011, 22:48

If he's out for the season, I'd try to trade him or dump him, in that order. Otherwise we have 3 DL spots, plenty of room for Strasberg.

Great One
ID: 420212813
Fri, Jan 28, 2011, 14:21

If you are thinking long term then it wouldn't be a terrible idea to keep and stash him all year in one of those DL spots.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Jan 31, 2011, 02:29

Gregor Blanco
Andre Ethier
Brett Gardner
Don Kelly
Jed Lowrie
Víctor Martínez
Andrew McCutchen
Mark Reynolds
Grady Sizemore
Drew Stubbs
Nick Swisher
Jim Thome
Omar Vizquel

Jorge De La Rosa
Neftali Feliz
Jon Garland
J.A. Happ
Ubaldo Jiménez
Leo Núñez
Carl Pavano
Adam Wainwright

Couple of sure keepers here, particularly pitching, but a few guys that are just headscratchers (will Sizemore come back? Was Pavano's a fluke season? Is Reynolds worth keeping if he hits only .200 but gives me 32 dingers?).

Ethier, Wainwright, Jimenez, VMart are the only sure keepers. Feliz, de la Rosa, McCutchen, Swisher are a step behind, at first glance. All offers welcome. I've got some SB to move for BA, and I doubt I'll keep both Feliz & Nunez if someone wants to lock up a very good closer.

nerveclinic
ID: 280482817
Mon, Jan 31, 2011, 10:26

Tree: other prospects/superstars i am looking to move include:

Gordon Beckham
Matt Garza
Jonathan Sanchez
Jonathan Papelbon

Superstars? And then he scratches his head and whines when no one will trade with him.

IMHO no one on that list is even a first round draft pick let alone a keeper except Papelbon who Boston tried to unload during the offseason.

But Tree will be ranting about how no one in this league likes to trade 6 months from now. LOL

Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Mon, Jan 31, 2011, 11:12

you might want to working on reading comprehension.

1. in re-printing my list of names, you conveniently left off Joe Mauer.

2. i didn't ask for a first round pick in return.

3. on my team they are likely not keepers. on other teams that might need to re-tool, they may be better keeper options than their current selection of keepers.

4. I never said i wasn't opposed to moving my probable keepers in Dunn, Pujols, Reyes, Teixeira, Upton, and Lincecum either.

in fact, i said specifically there's no one on my roster that is completely untouchable, but certain guys would have to be moved in the right deals.

i'll say it again. we had teams in this league who were far out of contention last season who REFUSED to make moves to contenders that would have helped their own teams. hell, Billy Wagner could have been moved for SOMETHING because we knew he was going to retire, but there was simply a refusal to deal.

THAT is what bothers me. it's that the second division teams seem to refuse to make moves to help themselves turn around for the bigger picture.

Boldwin
ID: 140283018
Mon, Jan 31, 2011, 11:24

I got a bag of baseballs for that worn out old bum, Pujols.

Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Mon, Jan 31, 2011, 12:40

I got a bag of baseballs for that worn out old bum, Pujols.

you trying to compare Beltran to Pujols?

Boldwin
ID: 120423118
Mon, Jan 31, 2011, 19:56

You can almost hear his 31 yr old knees creaking from the balcony. How long you gonna drag that old thing round?

nerveclinic
ID: 280482817
Tue, Feb 01, 2011, 00:09

you might want to working on reading comprehension.

1. in re-printing my list of names, you conveniently left off Joe Mauer.

I have no problem reading. I left Mauer off because unlike the others on your list, HE is a Superstar. Why would I include him when listing "non" superstars i.e. every other ordinary player on the list.

Not hard to comprehend.

Tree
ID: 320371412
Tue, Feb 01, 2011, 01:35

I have no problem reading. I left Mauer off because unlike the others on your list, HE is a Superstar.

again, i didn't just say superstars. you're picking and choosing.

as for superstars, Papelbon was in the top 8 in saves. that makes him valuable.

Sanchez and Beckham are without question, top prospects.

and Garza - he'll get you 15 wins, 150 strikeouts, and an ERA under 4.00. that's a guy worth having on many a team.

nerveclinic
ID: 280482817
Tue, Feb 01, 2011, 06:50

Garza (not a superstar) and Sanchez (who is not a prospect with 5 years in the bigs) and Beckham would only be a keeper on the worst of teams but then one would hope there is a better 1st round draft pick available.

But you do what you always do Tree spin like a politician and then complain when no one trades with you for players who aren't really keepers.

Another year, same tune.

Tree
ID: 320371412
Tue, Feb 01, 2011, 07:55

whatever man. Sanchez has exactly three full seasons as a starter. that's it. Beckham would definitely be a keeper on some of the teams here. i realize many owners are content to finish in 8th, 9th, 10th place, or worse.

i'm not. if i can get a mid-round pick for a player that may be a keeper for someone else, i'm going to do it, and that person should too. it wouldn't shock me to see players with lower ADPs than Beckham taking - and again, he's a prospect. never said he's a superstar, but he's certainly prospect.

more importantly, i never asked for a first round pick. not once. that's strictly your invention. that's you putting words in my mouth, and i wish you'd knock it off.

as for people not trading with me, the complaint isn't that no one trades with me - it's that no one makes trade.

teams that want to improve, make trades. plain and simple - GO did it last year, and improved his squad dramatically. he understands how to play the game.

and now, you've made your point, so kindly zip it. you don't want to trade with me, fine. but don't make up things and claim i said them, when i didn't.

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Tue, Feb 01, 2011, 10:25

More interest and banter makes people want to trade more.

I suggest you telling people to "zip it" ain't so smart, if you want an active league.

At this point, I'm highly tempted to go out on top. I doubt I'll ever again have enough interest in this league to repeat the run I've had the last 4 years.

Great One
ID: 3414219
Tue, Feb 01, 2011, 10:42

nerveclinic
ID: 280482817
Tue, Feb 01, 2011, 12:37

Telling people to zip it is absurd. I can discuss the offers here whenever and as much as I like as long as I keep the discussion civil and respectful.

Why would you think anyone discussing trade possibilities would "zip it" simply because you ask them to.

Maybe the emperor hath no clothes and he doesn't like me pointing it out?

nerveclinic
ID: 280482817
Tue, Feb 01, 2011, 13:06

GO you keep 7

Great One
ID: 3414219
Tue, Feb 01, 2011, 13:36

thanks... lets try again

So I'm looking like this...
GObama Keepers
Hanley Ramirez
Ryan Howard
David Wright
Jon Lester
Justin Verlander
Zack Grienke
7th keeper?

GObama Extras available for mid-late round pick swaps... I'll likely pick one from whoever is left
Ben Zobrist
Shin-Soo Choo
Josh Beckett
John Danks
Joe Nathan
K-Rod
M.Thornton
E.Volquez

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Tue, Feb 01, 2011, 14:19

teams that want to improve, make trades. plain and simple - GO did it last year, and improved his squad dramatically. he understands how to play the game.

GO Franchise:

2009, 2nd place, 120 points
2010, 6th place, 78 points

Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Tue, Feb 01, 2011, 15:09

The simple answer is that those names posted are better than many of the players the bottom teams are keeping. And if they would just offer a mid-round pick swap they could upgrade their keepers at little to no cost.

which is exactly my point, and exactly what i said.

never once did i suggest a first round pick. it as a figment of NC's imagination.

Telling people to zip it is absurd. I can discuss the offers here whenever and as much as I like as long as I keep the discussion civil and respectful.

Why would you think anyone discussing trade possibilities would "zip it" simply because you ask them to.

the minute you started insulting me and making up lies, you stopped being civil and respectful.

nerveclinic
ID: 280482817
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 09:10

Tree: 2. i didn't ask for a first round pick in return.

Ah dude, you are the one who needs to read more carefully. I didn't say any where that you were asking for a first round pick (God I hope not with those chumps) I said

IMHO no one on that list is even a first round draft pick

as in even if you don't keep them, no one will take them in the first round of the draft. You are the touchiest person I have ever met in my life, really.

nerveclinic
ID: 280482817
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 09:22

I want to trade one of these three.

Alex Rios, Kevin Youkilis, Jimmy Rollins. I will keep the other two.

Anyone interested in these non prospect, non superstars, but never the less valuable fantasy commodities?

Great One
ID: 3414219
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 10:11

B7 - thats merely the price of progress, the inherited team was not set up for long term success. And those same keepers illustrated that by having me near last place at the all star break (Carlos Lee?! Gordon Beckham! Matusz, Upton/Holliday awful starts...), my trading and reshuffling got me up to 6th over the second half and set me up with considerably better keepers this year.

You may remember me predeccesor for example foolishly traded had draft picks + pitching to get the immortal Chone Figgins. That kind of put me behind the 8-ball rebuilding this flawed team which had no pitching (got lucky David Price emerged, no other decent pitchers and I couldn't even give him away before last season... he was offered to everyone last April).

Great One
ID: 3414219
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 10:17

Are we gonna take a look at the prospect use? Its stinks that say a team in last place would have their big prospect called up... and yet they can't use them, and are probably even hoping they get injured so they can carry them over for next year. Something is flawed about that.

Why can't we let people use their prospects and still carry them over if they don't meet thresholds?

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 11:00

We voted on that rule change last year, GO. It passed, but does not apply to players currently on the prospect rosters.

Boldwin
ID: 33122116
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 11:24

They did it in just such a way as to grandfather Strasburg out.

Great One
ID: 3414219
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 11:31

Oh, thats awesome. I think thats a great progression of the rule.

Sorry about Strasburg, certainly crappy timing. But I think thats spirit of the rule. To prevent this happening in the future. And to get those guys up and producing for teams that need them (instead of them punting that production cause they are at the bottom and don't want to lose rights).

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 11:55

What, exactly, was this rule change we voted on that passed?

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 12:02

From the other thread:

Rule change: Prospects may be called up and sent down by a manager over the course of a season without limit, so long as they remain under our prospect threshold limits.

As usual, the rule only applies to future years (and, in this case, future prospect picks). Had nothing to do with any individual player.

nerveclinic
ID: 280482817
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 12:16

Trade announcement:

Nerve (Dubai Camel Jockeys) Trades Kevin Youkils and his 7th rounds draft pick to Gobamas for Shin Soo Choo and his 13th round pick.

nerveclinic
ID: 280482817
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 12:18

OK so now I have one of these available for a draft pick

Alex Rios

Mariano Rivera

Jimmy Rollins

Great One
ID: 3414219
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 12:47

Trade Confirmed.

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 14:14

The new players in this league may want to veto that trade. Or they may have a better offer.

I don't know that I would describe going from 120 points to 78 points as "improving your squad dramatically." It looks to me like they're getting worse. They may be better in 2011, but that is speculation. I had Zen's team pegged as a top 3 team at this time last year. He picked up Figgins in 2009 for the stretch run to provide runs and sb's and he did and finished one point out of first. GO would have done something similar, with a chance to win the title. Few people knew Figgins would suck in 2010.

Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 14:28

as for prospects - i'd still love to see a rule where you still get to keep one that may go over the threshold - it allows the use of prospects for the stretch run, not dissimilar than MLB, while allowing a bit more analyzation of the player's skills...

nice trade, for both teams, btw.

nerveclinic
ID: 280482817
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 14:28

B7 Veto the trade we just made?

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 14:39

I did not veto it.

Taxman said he was leaving. Others may leave. I thought the new owners should be given an oppurtunity to weigh in on any trades. It probably does not matter though.

nerveclinic
ID: 280482817
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 14:53

So we have to wait for a new member before we can make trades? Can't we use the majority of existing managers, 7 of 13 to veto?

Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 15:06

Astade voiced a desire to join the league. If we need a relacement for Taxman, I nominate him. Let's roll on this.

Note to biliruben. Please, bro, don't leave the league. It was bad enough losing Charlie. I don't know how many more long time gurupies this league can afford to lose.

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 15:11

I'm not sure Taxman is still leaving. He was mad about the football draft at the time, but he may reconsider. I hope he does.

nerveclinic
ID: 280482817
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 16:14

I should have linked my email here because I do not use the one associated with the league. So if anyone is interested in players mentioned above please send to this email.

Great One
ID: 3414219
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 16:36

SZ sacrificed the future for a shot at the top which I've done when I've been that close. But coming in I had to fix it for the long term, and this was not a team set up for long term success. I don't go for one title, I aim for multiple titles like in all my other gurupie leagues (multi Dirty Dozen, Lucky 13, Baseball 101). So there was half a season of transition that needed to be given up (and nearly all of my keepers traded) to accomplish that... and also to understand the nuances and rules of this league... I think I got it a bit closer to where it needs to be. This is finally getting to a point where I feel its my team and we are ready to roll.

That said, I need to fix my prospects... and I still don't understand if we can trade them or not. Nobody seems to give me a clear answer on that.

Also looking to move Ryan Howard at some point, as well as Greinke. And possibly Hanley for a package that includes a 2B/SS (but not til after the keeper deadline).

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 16:38

Keep it active. Keep it fun.

Don't be freaking nasty, and I'll be happy to keep womping all your butts into 2020.

Great One
ID: 3414219
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 16:39

Yeah, it won't be much to win this year if I don't get to beat bili in the process! :)

Great One
ID: 3414219
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 16:40

won't be much FUN i meant to say...

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 16:42

On paper you already have me GO!

My keepers are shite.

nerveclinic
ID: 280482817
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 17:36

But Bili always seems to find a way even with paper tigers. I'm still in awe of just how he does it and because of that he can win any year.

I even look at his team at year end and scratch my head how he won.

Tree
ID: 320371412
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 19:08

GO - yes you can trade prospects.

Boldwin
ID: 57152218
Wed, Feb 02, 2011, 20:57

Calm down.

Great One
ID: 3414219
Thu, Feb 03, 2011, 16:18

Are there restrictions on prospect numbers? like can i have 10 prospects and another team has 1?

nerveclinic
ID: 280482817
Thu, Feb 03, 2011, 17:04

GO you have a total f five, so if you trade for a prospect, you have to drop one of your five. If you trade away a prospect and another isn't part of the trade you only have 4 until the next draft.

Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Thu, Feb 03, 2011, 17:38

and you can only KEEP three.

to correct part of 73: If you trade away a prospect and another isn't part of the trade you only have 4 until the next draft or unless you acquire another one in a subsequent trade.

Great One
ID: 56051423
Fri, Feb 04, 2011, 21:16

Do we have a constitution somewhere with all this written out? that would help me out.

So nerve, there would never really be a reason to not trade prospects in both directions, cause it would just be a waste to throw that guy away, right? If I am trading with you, and you have to just throw that prospect away cause you can't go over 5, then it makes sense to just send him to me.

Why don't we allow more than 5 at a time? what would it matter if someone wanted to stockpile more of them if they still needed to cut the fat back down to 3 by prospect draft time.

So...
A team can have up to 5 prospects. No more at any time.
Teams must cut down to 3 prospects at the time of the prospect draft.
Prospects (starting with those chosen in 2011 draft) can be "called up" to our active rosters and be carried over to subsequent seasons provided they don't exceed the thresholds of what defines a prospect by seasons end.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Feb 04, 2011, 22:18

The closest thing we have right now to a constitution is Post #62 in this thread

The prospect part has been superceded with the new rule change, though it applies to all players on a prospect roster right now.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Feb 08, 2011, 12:45

can we get a head count for this season? No rush, but if we have to replace anyone it would be good to know.

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Tue, Feb 08, 2011, 16:38

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Tue, Feb 08, 2011, 17:03

I'm in. I still need a pitching coach or a bench coach. I can't spend as much time on it as in the past.

Tree
ID: 320371412
Tue, Feb 08, 2011, 18:48

Action Figure
ID: 511112193
Wed, Feb 09, 2011, 09:22

in...how many years has it been?

This could be the year.

Boldwin
ID: 38112911
Wed, Feb 09, 2011, 14:14

C1-NRB
ID: 2672611
Wed, Feb 09, 2011, 17:37

Boldwin
ID: 38112911
Wed, Feb 09, 2011, 21:19

Spoken like a Cub fan, AF. 8]

Action Figure
ID: 58152100
Thu, Feb 10, 2011, 01:53

Spoken like a Cub fan, AF. 8]

Cubs have faired better then me

Boldwin
ID: 38112911
Thu, Feb 10, 2011, 03:01

I sincerely doubt it. They have their own shoe named after them. 'The loafer'.

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Tue, Feb 15, 2011, 16:42

Looks like you should at least finish in 7th place, Action.

nerveclinic
ID: 280482817
Wed, Feb 16, 2011, 11:55

What is the date we need to announce keepers by?

nerveclinic
ID: 280482817
Wed, Feb 16, 2011, 16:44

By the way Taxman emailed and told me he has quit. It would be nice if he posted it here. He mentioned he had said it earlier. So I guess we need a new manager.

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Feb 16, 2011, 22:57

Sorry guys--new baby in the house, so I let this slip. I'll take a look at the schedule later and post here.

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Wed, Feb 16, 2011, 23:41

Astade has shown interest...

Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Fri, Feb 18, 2011, 09:19

coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Fri, Feb 18, 2011, 12:31

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Feb 18, 2011, 15:55

Taxman emailed me, saying he would think over whether he will return or not. Hopefully he'll be back, and will let us know sometime over the next few days. If so, I think we're just waiting for Punk.

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Fri, Feb 18, 2011, 17:03

taxman
ID: 141371911
Sat, Feb 19, 2011, 12:38

Just like High School girl friends...I needed to eat a mile of shit just to see their pu$$ies. So today, I start eating a mile of shit so that I can keep seeing "youse" pu$$ies around the boards.

I'm in

I apologize for ________ (fill in the blank with whatever works for each of you, but please include bad attitude and being an a$$hole). Thanks to the majority who encouraged my continued participation, no love lost oterwise. Like my Austin Aggie friend, I have become time challenged, but will accept same as personal burden.

Again, my apologies for allowing life's burdens & frustrations to affect any of my relationships on this board and in the poli leagues. That said, if acceptable, I want to withdraw my resignation from poli football also.

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Sat, Feb 19, 2011, 12:51

Awesome

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Sat, Feb 19, 2011, 16:05

So Tax.

You think just because you grovel on bended knee...

oh hell welcome back.

Now.

Please review the email I sent earlier regarding trade.

wah wah

8^)

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Feb 20, 2011, 10:14

Schedule:

Looks like last year we started drafting on March 15th (keepers were due March 12th) and concluded March 24th (season began March 28th, I believe).

This year, let's have keepers (7) due Friday March 11th, midnight EST) and drafting to begin Monday, March 14th

Immediately after the regular draft will be the prospect draft. (Keep up to 3, draft until all managers have 5 prospects).

This gives a weekend of post-keeper deadline research. Too short?

100

Boldwin
ID: 441162018
Sun, Feb 20, 2011, 19:16

Welcome back Tax, work on your metaphores tho...

101

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Mon, Feb 21, 2011, 11:14

OK. Good news from taxman. Looks like the whole league is back.

Looking to trade one or two keeper outfielders for a keeper that is not an outfielder. I can trade the following:

Stanton, 22HR @ age 21
Bautista, 54HR, OF, 3B
B.J. Upton, 18HR, 42SB, age 26
Victorino, 18HR, 34SB

102

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Tue, Feb 22, 2011, 22:43

Trade announcement:

Building 7 trades B.J. Upton to C1-NRB for Yovani Gallardo.

103

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Tue, Feb 22, 2011, 23:15

Building 7 trades B.J. Upton to C1-NRB for Yovani Gallardo

Confirmed.

104

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 01, 2011, 15:55

FYI--ten days until keepers are due.

105

myboyjack
ID: 923121
Tue, Mar 01, 2011, 22:03

Either Ian Kinsler or Rickie Weeks available to good home in exchange for pitching.

106

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 11:12

Tree, what's your email? I sent some emails, but have not heard back.

Still looking to trade another keeper outfielder for a keeper that is not an outfielder.

107

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 11:59

I believe it is troll@israelrules.com

:)

108

Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Wed, Mar 02, 2011, 13:15

yes, that's it. lol

no, it's above. while that's not the one i registered in the league with, it's the best for emails you want me to read. lol

109

C1-NRB
ID: 5625339
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 10:54

105 mbj: Is your email address in the Yahoo league valid?

110

myboyjack
ID: 923121
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 19:40

C1 - Yes. I responded.

111

taxman
ID: 141371911
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 23:26

I guess it's time to start the shit storm. Has anyone seen/ben on the new kafenatid "DRAFTIME FANTASY SPORTS DRAFT MANAGER

A vastly improved draft tool that allows you to rank players for any draft or all drafts along with positional searches DRAFTIME FANTASY SPORTS.learn about new version

This one is a no brainer

112

Tree
ID: 320371412
Thu, Mar 03, 2011, 23:46

i second using Draft Time.

113

Boldwin
ID: 55249323
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 00:54

Me too, as long as we parallel it here for the archive and for the fun.

114

Tree
ID: 320371412
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 01:35

if you want to input all the players here on rotoguru, feel free.

draft time keeps an archive. the board here keeps a VERY limited archive. there's nothing from baseball on the boards before 2008.

115

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 09:17

baseball through the years.

116

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 09:19

baseball, the beginnings.

117

Great One
ID: 17214310
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 10:54

The new Draftime kicks butt. Far superior to drafting on the boards.

118

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 11:06

You can do a massive copy and paste to the rotoguru site. Draftime looks good.

119

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 11:27

Draft time, using it now in Gurukeepers league.

120

Boldwin
ID: 3216412
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 13:19

Say that again?

121

Boldwin
ID: 3216412
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 13:37

Have you set up the auction league, Nerve?

122

nerveclinic
Leader
ID: 05047110
Fri, Mar 04, 2011, 23:10

Baldwin. Auction Draft League, Only two people have shown an interest so I am having second thoughts.

123

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Sun, Mar 06, 2011, 08:07

Damn, this league has been around a long time. Since the Clinton administration?

Who are the original members?

124

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Sun, Mar 06, 2011, 10:00

It's been a politically tumultuous league, with people quitting pretty regularly for what I view as bizarre and questionable slights.

I joined a year late, when it converted to keeper (2001?).

Nerveclinic was the comish, back when he lived in Seattle.

spachalagu was the first notorious flame-out. I don't think he made it through the first season before we all came to the conclusion he was most likely truly crazy.

Here is a list from 2002:

Seattle Zen - the most recent quitter. No good reason as far as I can remember. Probably just sick of it.

Madcity Maniacs (Madman) - Sorely missed conservative voice. Good on making confusing rules, bad on doing the hard work needed to win.

Myboyjack - most balanced, sensible voice. Still putting in the work. Maybe this will be his year, but has tired of day-to-day poli board antics.

deepsnapper - Can remember when/how deepsnapper departed. Anybody?

Toral Tories - Had our first dynasty. Got how to win this game immediately, and set about doing it. Canadian lawyer with a fondness for scotch who butted heads with most everyone. Still in other leagues around these parts, I think. Missed because he was the strongest competition.

Action Figures - Still here and plugging away!

Black Project - nerveclinic * (commissioner) - Still here(ish) and plugging away!

Stars Upon Thars - permdude - Still here and plugging away!

Baldwin's Berserkers - Still here and plugging away!

CCRider - I don't remember what happened to CC.

Potomac Mustangs - BlueBalls - Tossed for inattention?

Political Skank - rockafellerskank - Great manager - quit over some disagreement or another.

I am Tiger woods - blockaa (RESERVED) - anyone remember?

125

Tree
ID: 320371412
Sun, Mar 06, 2011, 14:32

i know i started in 2004, and i think i took over Blueball's team, but i'm not sure. i do know it was a perpetual second division team that finished in 10th place my first season as manager.

in 2005 i shot up to 3rd place, in 2006 and i moved in 2nd, 2007 was back down to 3rd, 2008 was second, and 2009 i finally took home the gold, before slipping down to 8th last seasons for reasons i'm still not sure.

i do remember the trade that started my climb, and it moving jeff kent for luis castillo and carl crawford. i still bug SZ about that deal sometimes, because he gave me such $hit for making it, thinking it doomed my team to continued second division status.

interestingly, i think it was bili who pointed out that one of the reasons he felt i finished in second or third four years running by couldn't get over the mountain and win was a reluctance to trade Carl Crawford for categories i needed to make gains in to win. i could be mistaken, but i think once i finally traded Crawford, i ended up winning.

without question, this has been my favorite league to play in, because most of the managers are fairly dedicated and absolutely make moves to win.

126

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 06, 2011, 14:57

snapper had to quit for health reasons, as I recall.

127

Boldwin
ID: 48259616
Sun, Mar 06, 2011, 18:11

Snapper had the worst health and it was tanking when he left but he may have left when he sided with REF and took great exception to me in that other league.

We got along just great for years over the phone when I was expediting the drafts but he just snapped over issues in that other league.
_____________

Spachalague may have been crazy but he was the best liberal debater I ever faced. He started using troll tactics at the end but that can't erase the real debating he did.
_____________

I will remind you that I was the first [and only afaik] manager to win all three poliboard sport leagues in the same year. As well as other first place and in the money finishes here. So I wouldn't count on merely plugging along from this direction.

128

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Sun, Mar 06, 2011, 23:28

Spachalague may have been crazy but he was the best liberal debater I ever faced.

I don't know why, but I find that incredibly funny.

129

taxman
ID: 141371911
Mon, Mar 07, 2011, 00:07

billi-there s/b some award for who unquits the most

130

Boldwin
ID: 48259616
Mon, Mar 07, 2011, 04:33

Tax

He threw every debating trick in the book at me and defended crazy liberalism as well as it can be.

131

Boldwin
ID: 48259616
Mon, Mar 07, 2011, 04:34

My favorite Poliboard post ever. "I lived Spachalagu's dream"...

...regarding my second? year trifecta.

132

Boldwin
ID: 29257915
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 17:30

BUTT

keepers (7) due Friday March 11th, midnight EST) and drafting to begin Monday, March 14th

133

C1-NRB
ID: 5625339
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 17:44

How about we start the clock on Monday? As soon as Action Figures is ready to go, let's get started.

134

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Wed, Mar 09, 2011, 23:13

By my count, the defending champion still hasn't registered in Yahoo...

135

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 01:10

Yeah yeah. Plenty of time for this sort of thing sitting in the ER.

136

Tree
ID: 320371412
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 01:30

and THAT isn't good...everything ok?

137

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 02:30

Yeah. Scratched cornea. Very painful but should be fine a couple days.

138

Boldwin
ID: 29257915
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 04:36

Will you need a couple extra days to research?

139

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 04:38

Research?

Naw, I'm good.

140

Tree
ID: 320371412
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 07:07

i told you that getting into pro boxing at your age was a bad idea. :o)

hope you heal quick.

141

coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 12:58

Where do we post our 7 keepers?

142

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 13:01

I'll put up a keeper thread in a sec, cc.

143

Boldwin
ID: 37246108
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 14:12

Your prospect keepers as of the '10 draft.

144

Boldwin
ID: 37246108
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 14:47

What is the draft order of the prospect keepers?

145

Boldwin
ID: 37246108
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 14:47

I am assuming I pick second?

146

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 14:50

Prospect draft is non-snake and is the same draft order as the regular draft (i.e., reverse order of finish).

I'll post more stuff this evening--right now am swamped with work (sometimes I hate working with celebrity authors. And I always hate working with their lawyers).

147

taxman
ID: 141371911
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 15:01

Fred (PD) I will send a ck today to Fred to pay for the 2011 POLI Draftime. I will ask him to send you sign-up details. I will be on road wk end of 18th thru Monday the 21st @ midnight.

148

Myboyjack
ID: 560301921
Thu, Mar 10, 2011, 21:26

Is whatever draft site we are using Iphone friendly? Just askin'.

149

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 12:24

Since we had a Tie for 11th last year what are we going to do with the draft order?

150

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 12:30

damn. You would bring that up. I'll take a look through some old threads. I thought we came up with some tiebreaker stat--let me dig around a bit.

151

Tree
ID: 320371412
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 13:23

i feel like there was a coin flip for the first round, and then they just alternated after that.

152

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 13:27

I don't ever recall us alternating. Yahoo uses Ave I think.

153

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 16:45

After last season what did we decide on future times of calling up a prospect to your team before the Prospect draft? Ala using your last pick of the regular draft to call up someone from your Prospect keepers.

154

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 17:29

We did it last year, and I'm going to do it this year.

These prospects that we are keeping today:

A. Will follow the old prospect rules

B. Will follow the new prospect rules.

155

C1-NRB
ID: 5625339
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 17:47

I vote "B" if this is the rule about sending prospects up and down and retaining their rights until they hit the threshold(sp?).

156

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 18:12

I'm referring to calling up a player with your last pick of the Draft. Which then would mean if you had kept 3 prospects, and called one up you would be down to 2 prospects and could draft 3 in the Prospect Draft.

157

Tree
ID: 320371412
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 19:29

i don't think that the new rules would really change the rule of bringing in a prospect instead of a draft pick.

HOWEVER, what it does change is your ability to send that player up and down - you either need to keep that slot open for him and opt not to draft another prospect, or you lose the ability to drop the guy you've put on your roster.

158

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 19:43

#154: Prospects being kept will follow the old rule. The new rule, passed last year, will begin applying to the prospects that you draft this year (i.e., new prospects).

159

Myboyjack
ID: 560301921
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 20:00

Um - I made a big goof when listing my keepers. Obviously, I meant to keep Miguel Cabrera.

160

Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Fri, Mar 11, 2011, 20:31

Dang, MBJ. I had circled that name about 20 times.

161

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 10:51

Is draftime set up? If yes has anyone sent out the password and league name?

162

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 12:36

I have an overnight installation, Monday night, which is daytime, USA time.

I have zero internet access there.

I need to get into the draft site and fill a que or I will have to ask for a one day delay of the draft. Can we set it up in the next 12 hours?

163

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 15:08

Done.

I should have done this yesterday. But the quicker guys sign up, the quicker I'll have those keepers in.

pd

164

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 15:09

For what?

165

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 15:22

Draftime is the new-and-improved On The Clock drafting program.

pd

166

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 15:52

Keepers are entered into Yahoo.

167

Boldwin
ID: 462371311
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 17:08

We need a league ID and a password before anyone can enter the draft-time draft.

168

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 17:17

Check your email

169

Boldwin
ID: 462371311
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 17:20

What's e-mail?

170

Boldwin
ID: 462371311
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 17:23

I am in Yahoo for days. Can't see an e-mail from Fred or anyone regarding kafenatid or draft-time.

171

Tree
ID: 60121615
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 17:51

we were all emailed about it.

172

Boldwin
ID: 462371311
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 17:56

Not me.

173

Boldwin
ID: 462371311
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 17:57

What day did the draft-time notices go out and who sent them?

174

Tree
ID: 60121615
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 18:00

yesterday, maybe today. and they went out from draftime i do believe.

175

Boldwin
ID: 462371311
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 18:18

Outdated e-mail at their site. Having no patience with forms and red tape I have now screwed up my account in the process. Will hopefully have this resolved soon.

176

Boldwin
ID: 462371311
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 18:45

Ok, account is back up, but as the notice for league ID and pass went to the wrong e-mail addy I will still need them before tomorrow morning. Fixing the e-mail at draft-time does not generate a second league notice. Not that it should be expected. And what remarkable response time at Kefenatid. Color me impressed.

177

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 19:53

I forwarded the invite to you a moment ago, to the address in 172.

178

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 20:12

9 in right now. nice.

179

Boldwin
ID: 462371311
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 20:43

Pretty sure that worked and I'm in.

180

Action Figure
ID: 392531319
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 20:53

When is the first pick to be made and am I it?

181

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 21:22

12 now in.

Yes, you'll be first, AF. I have to wait for the final 2 to sign up (nerve and taxman).

182

Action Figure
ID: 392531319
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 21:41

So that means I can pick any time after midnight as long as the other two are in?

I wouldn't want to hold things up you know.

183

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Sun, Mar 13, 2011, 23:15

Can someone please send me league id and password?

184

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 00:01

done.

185

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 00:32

AF: I expect taxman will sign up at Draftime in the AM. If you know who you want, email me the name and I'll pick him for you when the draft goes live there.

186

Action Figure
ID: 511112193
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 10:59

My contact info has been left on the league page.

187

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 11:46

Nerve - you have done plenty to give those picking after you a heads-up as to when they can expect a pick from you. That is all we can ask - that everyone let us know when they will have a significant, unavoidable delay in picking.

Personally, I won't be using a queue for the first 2 or 3 rounds, no matter what my situation.

188

Boldwin
ID: 16216146
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 12:39

Did anyone send Nerve the id & pass?

189

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 12:49

Yeah, he's in at Draftime.

190

Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 12:56

What bili said.

191

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 15:06

I would like to trade my low draft slot for one much, much higher.

In exchange I can provide expert advice on how to reap the windfall from precious metals and how to profit from the scarcity of potassium iodide.

192

coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 19:58

can you add in how to get $$ from a Nigerian prince?

193

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 21:09

That will cost a pick and 20,000, a small sum
For bribes and to open the account in which the prince will deposit the 20 million US dollars.

194

Boldwin
ID: 162201420
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 21:20

Those instructions are available for a lot less.

195

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Mon, Mar 14, 2011, 23:59

I need James K. Polk to tell me whether post 111 is ironic.

196

Boldwin
ID: 162201420
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 01:20

I am thinking he visits the poliboard as often as I visit my email account.

197

taxman
ID: 141371911
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 01:52

maybe less

198

Boldwin
ID: 162201420
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 02:05

That would be hard to do. 8]

199

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 02:50

I just entered keepers for 4 of the managers on Draftime. I'll have to knock off and get some sleep, and will finish the others in the AM.

Please continue to post in the draft thread if possible. If you need to know which players are available, the draft thread has the keepers already. Also, I entered the keepers already in Yahoo, so the player list for the league reflects the Yahoo database less keepers already.

200

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 06:46

PD remember to include the prospect keepers, there's a way to remove them from draft time.

201

Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 08:18

I'm going to court where I'll be for the rest of the day. If someone wants to text me if Taxman picks I can make my pick on the board from my phone; however I have no way of picking from our time- saving device until tonight sometime.

202

Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 08:40

B7 - just a heads up i sent you an email.

203

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 11:31

OK, we're up at Draftime. Keepers, first few picks, and trades entered. Prospects deleted from the database. Passive voice used throughout.

Lemme know if anything looks odd. To keep things clear, I'm going to eliminate the discussion posts in the draft thread in a bit. You want to keep any of it, copy your post here, into this thread.

204

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 11:47

I was just coming to suggest everyone delete the posts in the draft thread but PD beat me to it.

PD one was sent from my blackberry and I can't delete it.

205

taxman
ID: 141371911
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 11:51

moved:

Gee..wish I'd known about the draftime setup info. I thought several people in this league had my cell number. 512-eight01-six six 05

206

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 11:56

Tax

p/c meaning personal contacts? My facebook gaming perhaps. Very difficult to customize every last game generated notice to not spam, but I really try. You are Donny M? I am terrible with names and don't expedite anymore unless personally requested to.

207

taxman
ID: 141371911
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 11:57

partial moved:

Boldy thanks . You have my cell number as of 24 months ago by the number of p/c I have received the past two years. You chose to not give me a heads up.

newly added: I have never complained or requested you not make "heads up" p/c to me during a draft, irregardless of what other league managers may have communicated to you. If someone told you to quit, I wouldn't know. I gave this board up several years ago.

208

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 12:00

Tax, are you able to get into Draftime? We look ready to go there, so if you wanted to make your pick, start working on your General Queue, etc., feel free to at anytime.

209

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 12:00

Anyway to get picks 1-4 set as draft picks instead of keeper picks? Not really sure if it will matter though.

210

Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 12:01

I'm out most of the day. I think I left a 3 player que(available to pickers?). If it's gone and it gets to me, might have to just wait til I get home late this afternoon.

Boldwin, I always appreciated your expediting in drafts, so please remove me from that list.

211

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 12:03

Punk, I had to enter them that way (keeper picks replacing regular picks). We're still good, though--the right players are on the right teams.

212

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 12:15

PD

Did you remove any players just winging it? Because I found one who shouldn't heve been removed according to the list of keepers at the head of this thread.

Oh the temptation to bring that up just as it comes to my turn.

213

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 12:20

If a player is a keeper than you can't pick him (duh). If I missed one then man up about it.

214

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 12:23

Could you email me your phone#. We gotta talk. Two players missing from the pool who should be there just starting with one letter in the alphabet.

215

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 12:24

I'm trying to do this while observing our rule about not mentioning undrafted players in the forum.

216

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 12:29

It might be a KKB thing, but I can very easily add any players I took off from the prospect keeper list.

217

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 12:35

Email sent to PD.

218

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 12:36

Oops, one of those names was on my list already, but the other one is still missing entirely.

219

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 12:42

I'm astonished MBJ could pick so quickly given his schedule today. Good job! Musta caught him on lunch break.

220

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 13:12

Justice is fast in KY.

221

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 13:12

Problem figured out. Control-F won't work with a á.

222

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 13:16

Or rather it won't work if you are using a normal a without the diacritic. So hopefully the draftime list is sound.

223

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 13:48

Does anyone besides MBJ have the ability to pick for MBJ in draftime?

224

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 13:58

Who cares.

Sorry. Is it too early to say I'm not sure why we are using it, other than it's been helpful in starting fights and slowing things down?

Probably too early. I'm tring to hold my tongue, but it's hard.

225

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 13:59

done. I guess I've got picker powers. So to speak.

226

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 14:43

Buili it works great. We used it in Gurukeepers. The point is if everyone will embrace it, then you set up ques, so even if you are not online it will pick for you which comes in handy later in the draft and when someone is too busy to be online.

227

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 14:47

I am picking in just a second. At the moment I am struggling with inner demons.

228

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 14:53

That was horrifically painful.

229

Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 14:57

here's the damned problem with Draftime - it's that we're drafting on both the board, and over there.

we're being about as inefficient as possible by using both.

i have ZERO clue why we aren't using a system that:

1. emails us when it's our turn to pick
2. emails us when we're the designated picker for someone and it's their turn to pick.
3. allows us to set one big gigantic queue for the entire draft.
4. allows us to set queues for EACH ROUND. you want to make sure you get an SP in the 8th round and an OF in the 9th, then you set the individual queues. you want to make sure you get A-Rod, Mark Teixeira, or Snoop Dogg in the first round, you set the queue.

we NEED to be using Draftime only, and not both. what's the point of something convenient, if we're trying to make it as inconvenient as possible by not embracing it???

230

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 15:05

I'm blocked at work. Can maybe manage on iPhone, haven't tried yet. Is there an app?

Mbj is blackberry dependent.

Sure, i could see how it would speed things up if everyone is willing to use queues. I will in round 4 or 5. How long is your queue right now, tree?

231

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 15:20

Maybe that question was a bit too personal...

232

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 15:26

My que is at 25 at the moment.

233

Great One
ID: 47252711
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 15:29

My que is 225 names. Using my same pre-ranked master list across Dirty Dozen, Poli, RIBC and G20 (slightly reordered for league specifics). Made things incredibly simple. Spent about an hour one time adding them a month ago, reshuffled in my own personal order and haven't done much work since.

234

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 16:01

Oh save your bragging for the ladies...

235

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 16:32

There are 13 other guys happy to fill your pick in over here as opposed to usually one guy with picking priviliges over in Draftime, so anyone grumbling about filling it in here needn't bother even inputting it.

It's the Poliboard League, not the Rotoguru league, or the Kafenatid league or the Draftime League. The results belong here. The process is fine over there, tho I can't speak for mobile device users.

236

Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 17:36

What Baldwin said. I don't spend very much time behind a computer screen anymore. I'd have been happy to leave a q except that when I left my office this morning it the draft still wasn't live - even though we'd managed to stumble along and make pics with no problem on the board here. I'll be on trials basically from 9-7 through Thursday. With my phone I can pick quickly , just as I did today from Court. With the convenient , efficient miracle draft widget I'll be able to check in sometime in the evening.

237

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:17

PV

I'll need your current contact info then, here or in the yahoo message function in the league if you wanna keep it private.

238

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:24

I texted him.

239

Tree
ID: 320371412
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:26

There are 13 other guys happy to fill your pick in over here as opposed to usually one guy with picking priviliges over in Draftime, so anyone grumbling about filling it in here needn't bother even inputting it.

um. you can make the entire league your designated pick in Draftime. they ALL get emails when you're up, and BAM, it's done.

it's certainly not that quick here.

240

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:27

Um, you aren't gonna pick for me

241

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:32

I waited an hour and a half for that email to make tree's pick. It never came. Weird.

242

Tree
ID: 320371412
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 18:49

the email never came, because we're not using Draftime to draft with.

243

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 19:36

We aren't?

244

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 20:52

AF will pick in 45 minutes and I will pick very shortly thereafter.

245

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 21:52

AF will be another 15 minutes and maybe 5 picking.

246

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 22:12

Managers dead to me from round 1:

Tax
Mbj
Nerve

247

Action Figure
ID: 58152100
Tue, Mar 15, 2011, 22:24

248

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 11:43

pondering...

249

Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 12:21

Damn you bili

250

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 12:39

That Delmon Young pick is strong for sure.

AF has been contacted, he's on the road and estimates he can get to a computer in 15 minutes.

251

Tree
ID: 320371412
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 13:27

jackson and young are both very strong picks. i almost took them before Rasmus in the first round, but figured they'd stick around until 3 or 4....oh well...

252

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 13:54

AF has picked while on the road making deliveries. This looks like how most of his picks will be made. We need PD to update Draftime and I'll try and get AF to make me his unlimited picker in Draftime.

253

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 14:15

Nice pick, Punk.

254

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 14:17

Agreed. I was hoping he'd fall to me with this pick. Grrr.

255

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 14:21

Not a position of Need, but a BPA pick :')

256

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 16:37

Picking in 5 minutes

257

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 16:50

Not a position of Need, but a BPA pick :')

Great pick if you needed a shortstop but definitely BPA in the outfield then Drew IMO and you only have one, but you have a SS already.

Odd.

258

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 18:09

Que for my next pick is set with 1 hour delay.

It's bedtime here so I only have one more pick I can make until I wake up. (But I am the most recent pick)

259

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 19:47

Drew was at the top of my queue right up to the actual pick, but then I realized pitching has got to be the priority for my team this year. I always struggle in batting having been frozen out of the heaviest hitting keepers, and I have a better chance to be dominant in pitching if I can get great closers in abundance, Jordan Zimmerman becomes all that giving me 4 great pitchers already...I think he will. And Drew's nice but his upside isn't what it once was. My fantasy was that Drew and Zobrist would last but obviously and emphatically not.

260

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 20:28

I wonder of C1 knows he's up...

He may have forgot he has GOs pick. Does Daft-time know to remind him?

Anyone got his email?

261

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 21:21

I sent C1 an email.

262

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 22:11

Yes, bili--I inserted the trades into "Daftime"

263

C1-NRB @ parents
ID: 69452310
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 22:49

Sorry, sorry, sorry!

That's on me. I had the auto-pick turned on (I thought) but it never triggered. Apparently it was only on for my second pick that round and not first and/or both.

I left the house this morning with players in both queues and both still had guys in them. I didn't get a chance to set any desingated pickers before I had to leave.

Once again, Sorry, sorry, sorry!

264

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 23:09

Wow, I cannot believe Thornton couldn't last another round given what Ozzy is sayin. Granted he's just blowin' smoke.

265

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 23:13

No worries. Sounds like it's more a daft-timeout issue.

266

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 23:17

what's the deal with the little desktop symbols next to the names?

267

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 23:19

Auto picks.

268

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 23:22

Ah.

I think furcal is going to be a good pick this year.

269

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Mar 16, 2011, 23:43

I hope so. Good luck with Broxton. He went from lifetime keeper to unusable in a 30 day period. He's got a one year suspension from my fantasy teams.

270

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 00:00

I'm out for a bit. If Punk picks, I'll try to get mine in first thing in the AM. I've got a few possibilities depending if he takes my guy.

271

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 00:13

Heh. Yeah, homer pick. Not a lot of choices at closer right now, but there was maybe someone better than him. Hopefully they can work out his control problems.

272

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 03:05

Hmm why is it saying it's stopped and can't get in to see it?

273

Tree
ID: 320371412
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 03:05

odd. why is the draft stopped? i was going to set my queue for the morning - guess it'll have to wait until i awake.

274

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 03:06

Another great reason to vote to go for strictly it and not using the board... :')

275

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 03:06

Why has the draftime site been switched off? You should only pause it. We can't get in to work on ques, turn ques on and off etc.

276

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 08:10

I'm not sure. I'll drop a note right now to KKB.

277

Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 08:11

Can't set up Q in dafttime. Can pick on boards.

278

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 08:54

Dropped in a queue of 250 last night. I'm off to the airport - small, remote island off the coast of Tahiti - no phones, no internet! Yay!

Talk in a couple weeks.

279

Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 09:08

Bili, you old fogey. Glad to see you've finally learned the proper drafting mode of the brave new world.

280

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 09:10

At least we're not paused until he comes back...

281

Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 09:17

Remains to be seen

282

Tree
ID: 24115767
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 09:18

Can't set up Q in dafttime. Can pick on boards.

and if the boards went down - which they do - what song will you be singing?

a couple glitches, and the responses and naysayers are Baldwinian in their doom and gloom.

Draftime remains the better system. and y'all don't even want to give it a chance.

283

Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 09:20

PD - just to make sure you're aware. Daftime is "stopped" and no one can access Q or make picks.

284

Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 09:23

Tree- you're taking this very personal ? I assume we are giving this a chance, as we have every year for some years now. It works more or less. It has it's merits. It shouldn't replace the boards for drafting.

285

Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 09:25

And if bili and I can't make a few catcalls from our balcony seats, then where's the fun in life.

286

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 09:26

Back up. Just got an apologetic note from KKB--it was stopped in error.

287

Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 09:32

Still not giving me access from phone. Hopefully that will change and I'll have enough of a Q from last night to make a pick. Otherwise, I fear my court schedule and duties as grand Marshall of local St Paddy Day festivities will cause delay

288

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 09:34

Grand Martial, huh? That's a real promotion!

Does that come with a bottomless Jamison's rock glass?

289

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 09:36

Looking at my spelling, I think I was thinking court Martial...

290

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 09:44

Grand Marshall sounds great. And probably useful to your budding political career, yes?

[to say nothing of your continuing drinking career]

291

Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 09:47

Interesting draft so far. Six hour wait yesterday, and can't access the draft this morning to set a que. Otherwise, I'd consider joining Cam off the coast of Tahiti.

292

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 09:51

Sounds like he's reached the pinnacle of any political career. Grand Marshall! What's higher than that?

293

Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 10:08

Self appointed position that mostly involves a massive bar tab and a wee kilt

294

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 10:23

It still says draft stopped on mine. Do I need to reboot and clear my cookies or something?

295

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 10:24

MBJ in a wee kilt. There's a picture I didn't need. How do I forget that?

296

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 10:29

Um, we could actually continue drafting here.

Especially since Tree claims we aren't even drafting at Draftime.

297

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 11:28

Waiting for taxman again.

298

Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 11:38

I'm leaving shortly and DraftTime is still down.

One hour of work and 4 hours of golf(looking for a high of only 45 today)but can be reached @ 801 608-0275.

Happy St. Paddy's all, especially to our Grand Marshall!

299

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 11:42

I emailed tax. Didn't he say someone had his number?

300

Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 11:46

For point of reference, my customer lives off the 11th tee at Talon's Cove, probably the most scenic course in the area. So, it's not like I have a choice.

301

taxman
ID: 141371911
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 11:52

How can I get this communicated. I do not monitor the poli boards...the only wat I know I am up is via Draftime. If it is down, then i am down. I'll pick after updating sheets from poli board

302

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 12:10

he wrote his number in this thread cryptically

303

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 12:14

My working hypothesis based on what PD posted is that PD got a message from draftime notifying him that the draft had been stopped in error and that PD just assumed that KKB had restarted it, which it demonstrably has not. Either that or Draftime encountered the same problem a second time.

304

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 12:18

Just re-started it from the Admin tools. Can y'all get in now?

KKB got it going again, but it wasn't clear that it was stopped for everyone else (I got back in, saw queues, etc., so I assumed everyone could).

305

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 12:18

Contrl-f'ers beware. Pagan was mispelled Pagen in the draft thread.

306

KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 517068
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 12:30

Back up. Just got an apologetic note from KKB--it was stopped in error.

Definitely my bad. I was supposed to have marked the league as paid and did not and that forced the draft to stop. PD has restarted the draft (and I see that I need to make the "Draft Stopped" info available to draft admins), so if anybody is having any access issues, please send me an email.

307

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 12:49

Thanks tax and KKB.

Tax - hopefully you can go ahead and enter your pick in draftime as well and we can access the Grand Marshall's queue.

308

taxman
ID: 141371911
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 12:49

#305...biddy: And that would be another reason using Draftime helps eliminate mistakes

taxman cell again:5one2-8zero1-66zero5

You will need it this w/e. Travel to backwoods Virginia...no clue as to internet availability etc.

309

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 12:52

So much for that.

What does "Queue Unavailable" mean? He made a q but I can't access it? Or it was a queue of 1 and that 1 was Angel?

310

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 12:57

I think if he had no one in his queue it would say "No queue."

I'll email him.

311

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 13:00

I think he may have meant the queue in his pocket, not in dafttime.

I texted him.

312

Tree
ID: 320371412
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 13:22

damnit. i was sure Gardner would fall to me.

i'll pick in a few.

313

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 13:39

I'll pick in 5 minutes

314

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 13:40

Lack of being able to access his queue is really gonna be a problem with Nerve's pick. Turn up the patience, people.

315

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 13:41

huh?

316

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 13:45

huh? huh?

It would be a problem if I were asleep since my time is 12 hours later then yours.

317

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 13:46

Good news!

318

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 14:08

Bladwin did Toral hi jack your account and have you been drinking?

319

C1-NRB @ parents
ID: 69452310
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 14:24

I'll have a pick shortly.

320

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 14:46

Nice pick, C1.

Does someone have the power to enter that in Draft-in-twice-the-Time?

I keep getting these notices that I am a picker, but then I don't seem to have any powers to actually pick.

Is there a magic password or some obscure setting somewhere that I have to close my eyes and click three times?

321

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 14:52

That would be Dempster that needs entering, no Soto.

322

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 15:21

Dempster and then Figgins. I think Pancho has his queue unavailable,

323

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 15:35

Dagger thru the heart B7. After that year last year I thot for sure he'd drop to me.

324

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 15:37

Yeah. I keep getting the emails saying I'm a designated picker and a grinner, but am impotent to do anything other than text the manager who's up.

325

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 16:01

Anyone got CCs email or phone handy?

326

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 18:22

Pitcher run.

327

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 18:26

Yeah - debated whether to take lewis over danks. Changed man coming back from Japan. Figured Danks was younger and still had higher upside.

328

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 18:35

Only one person above me in the standings has more than two starters atm. Did I do that good of a job selling the 'rag arm' theory? Or has the theory thus proven itself?

329

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 18:36

Danks has a longer track record at least. I only had one year to go by for my pick. Kinda iffy.

330

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 18:40

I think you are counting wrong.

CC is most notable as having only 1 starter, but have the league as 3 or more starters atm.

331

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 18:44

Once you get past taxman I only see one with more than two.

332

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 18:46

Pretty good evidence you should save some space for rag arms. I'll have to check other leagues for this in draft peek.

333

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 18:46

That's right. But you pick 2nd.

334

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 18:49

Not that Lilly, Dempster, Danks, Hudson or Lewis were rag arms. We're getting close to them tho.

335

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 18:49

Sorry, I didn't think Figgins would last another round. He can play 3b in a little while.

336

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 19:03

I guarantee he wouldn't have.

337

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 20:00

Just my 2 cents but drafting without organized expediting sux. And I sure prefer a phone-call to an auto-pick.

338

taxman
ID: 17261721
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 22:06

not on me at this point

340

Boldwin
ID: 55217158
Thu, Mar 17, 2011, 23:30

I'm down for the night. I have a 13 man Q with autopick set and PD set as designated picker.

341

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 07:43

I have autopick set with one hour delay, stepping out for a bit. One hour max wait.

342

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 09:33

I am here, picking in 5 minutes.

343

Tree, not at home
ID: 3910441615
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 09:55

good pick there, MBJ. funny, i couldn't decide between Sanchez and Morrow. you made my choice easy. :o)

344

nerveclinic
ID: 26214189
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 10:14

I picked on draftime half hour ago and I thought I entered it on rotoguru but I don't see it. I will enter now.

345

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 12:00

Sorry guys. Turned auto off. Struggling with this one.

347

Boldwin
ID: 202591810
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 12:28

Voicemail left with AF And my pick will follow immediately after his.

Amazing how often Tree steals the top pick off my queue. I was hoping either he or C.J. Wilson would slip. What an impressive 6th pitcher those guys would have been.

348

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 12:58

I just picked for AA in guru thread but cannot change draft time so PD can you do that?

349

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 13:20

Just read on ESPN that Marcum waas pulled from game with shoulder soreness and the manager is concerned. Not what I was hoping for from my top pitching pick.

350

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 14:11

AF didn't make his queue available, so I can't pick for him. We'll just keep picking here.

I've got 3 guys I'm weighing right now--give me ten.

351

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 14:34

so you don't have administrative control PD?

352

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 14:35

In that case it may be a long time before draftime is up because Action said he won't be near a computer anytime soon.

353

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 14:39

So now Taxman is up, but he won't pick since draftime is stopped which won't change anytime soon because Action Figures can't get to a computer.

354

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 14:41

I just emailed KKB in case there is some "add player" tool I'm overlooking in the Admin pages.

355

Boldwin
ID: 202591810
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 15:01

PD, as admin can't you pick for anyone you want in Draftime?

356

Boldwin
ID: 202591810
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 15:08

I would have expected you would automatically see that option on the main draft page where we see only unfilled queues and excluded picker options.

I thot you had been picking for some of the absent or forgetful all along.

357

Boldwin
ID: 202591810
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 15:59

PD

Is there some reason you have not input Wandy Rodriguez in Draftime in the last 40 minutes since you picked him here?

358

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 18:23

Just to piss you off, of course.

Actually, the reason I could not is that AF had not inputted his pick in Draftime. Since we can only enter picks sequentially I couldn't make my pick there until his was put in (then, subsequently, Punk's pick).

359

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 19:38

I have a 4 pick que turned on in DT.

After that no pick until morning...7 hours.

360

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 19:39

30 minutes delay on que.

361

taxman
ID: 17261721
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 21:10

once got signal in Chicago midway airport, no problem making pick.

I will have signal again @ midnight central thru @10 AM EST. things will be sketchy for following 30 hours (wedding in boondocks)...but should be OK by Sunday night
8 EST

362

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Fri, Mar 18, 2011, 23:52

I do not like you very much b7.

363

Tree
ID: 60121615
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 12:58

and this time, Baldwin stole my pick.

i think Nish is going to end up a keeper by season's end.

364

Boldwin
ID: 202591810
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 15:49

I have to first say that the another MLB rookie 2B, Kaz Matsui made it his personal mission to help destroy my one and only foray into the RIBC.

But Nish is only 26 yrs old and has already won a major league batting title and it's not too hard to imagine him outperforming 22 yr old Starlin Castro at considerably less cost.

Then again there are those old battle scars.

I figure Japan owes me one.

365

Boldwin
ID: 202591810
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 16:37

What was that famous definition of insanity?

366

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 17:21

Baldwin: Did I do that good of a job selling the 'rag arm' theory? Or has the theory thus proven itself?

It's perhaps the single most talked about fantasy strategy, of at least the past 10 years. Discussed every year on fantasy websites ad nauseum.

I've been doing it as long as I can remember to the point that several years ago during a draft Zen asked me if I was going to bother with pitchers.

But your the main salesman around here?

That's it Baldwin we are all just listening to your advice with baited breath.

8^)

367

Tree
ID: 320371412
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 17:51

22 yr old Starlin Castro at considerably less cost.

i'm still floored you kept Billy Butler over him.

368

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 18:02

I have a 4 man que set for my next pick. Auto pick with 10 minute delay.

369

Boldwin
ID: 202591810
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 18:16

I sure didn't keep Billy Butler because of his past performance. Sometimes you just have to trust your scouts and wait patiently for superman.

We can all think of ten real deals of the past that weren't so it's difficult.

370

Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 19:05

things will be sketchy for following 30 hours (wedding in boondocks)...but should be OK by Sunday night
8 EST

So, with no que available, we're down til tomorrow night?

371

Tree
ID: 320371412
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 19:24

i texted him a few minutes ago. we'll see...

372

Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 20:36

I'd sure give dafttime more consideration if the main proponents of it in our league were more diligent about using it.

373

Tree
ID: 320371412
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 20:48

lol. but in Tax's defense, this is kind of why i want us to try Draftime exclusively for one year. as long as it's not the draft of record, it's going to be secondary, and people are less apt to use it. but make it mandatory, and i think you have a whole different ball game.

i'm gonna go ahead and set up a small queue for this round before i go out tonight, just in case...

374

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 20:52

As usual though, are we really in fear of not making opening day?

375

Boldwin
ID: 202591810
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 20:59

We're almost exactly half finished. I'm not even remotely sensing desperation.

376

Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 21:05

Not at all am I bitchin''. We're fine. I don't think though, tree, that the boards are keeping Tax from picking. Not a big deal. I appreciate always having more than ample time to reevaluate the daft board that picking immediately behind Tax has afforded me.

377

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Sat, Mar 19, 2011, 23:20

As usual though, are we really in fear of not making opening day?

I say it every year. The point isn't if we will finish in time. The point is simple respect for fellow league members who have to check in hour after hour to see if the draft is moving again.

378

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 09:19

Yes we have movement.

379

Tree
ID: 320371412
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 09:19

sorry guys. Tax texted me his queue late last night, while i was out. searching the boards from my phone to see if a pick is available is not easy.

380

Great One
ID: 48281723
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 10:21

PD, as an admin you can skip Taxman - then we can all agree to not choose Barton and can make our own picks.

Everyone really needs to add someone at least as a designated picker to avoid this in the future.

381

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 10:27

It wasn't Taxes fault Great One. He gave Tree a que.

382

Great One
ID: 48281723
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 13:02

I am aware of this, I said to skip him in Draftime cause we were 5 picks ahead here vs. Draftime cause his pick wasn't over there but people kept picking here. And I didn't know I was up either cause I didn't get an email as Draftime wasn't current.

383

Tree
ID: 60121615
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 13:28

It wasn't Taxes fault Great One. He gave Tree a que.

just for the record, i got that queue around 11 pm last night. i wasn't home at 11 pm on a saturday night.

384

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 15:17

#380: Great suggestion as the workaround.

385

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 15:34

OK Great One I see what you mean.

Tree fair enough, glad your not home on a Saturday night.

I've got auto draft on for next pick, 30 minute delay.

Night.

386

Boldwin
ID: 202591810
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 16:34

I'll bet Brett Myers is the steal of round 8. Made possible by a poor preseason I guess.

387

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 16:37

will pick in a few

388

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 17:00

Here's hoping for a bounceback season (20-20!) from Nate the Great.

389

Boldwin
ID: 202591810
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 22:41

I'm presuming Tree has a queue from taxman still?

390

coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 23:32

I am not sure what is happening to this draft. Rather than rant about it I would be pleased to give up my team to somebody who can accept this nonsense. Let me know if you know anyone who would like to join the league.

391

Tree
ID: 320371412
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 00:09

he sent a queue. which i passed onto PD. he did not indicate that it was for more than one round, so i don't think it would be fair to use.

i wish he had set queues, but, as pointed out, as long as Draftime is the draft of record, there's no real reason to leave a queue.

CC - Taxman did indicate he was going to be out of town this weekend with questionable signals.

he announced ahead of time, so i'm not really sure what nonsense you're talking about. he didn't disappear or go AWOL, he just happens to be out of commission.

i'd hate for someone to actually quit a league in the middle of a draft. that's a night mare scenario for the other owners in the league.

392

coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 00:28

I am not quitting I said that if you have a replacement on hand then I would welcome giving up my team.

There was no indication that this was to be a "slow" draft rather I had the impression that this was to be held at normal speed. There seems to be endless amount of excuses rather than using the queue system.

393

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 00:31

There seems to be endless amount of excuses rather than using the queue system.

Exactly. A lot of ludites in this league, it seems.

Let's move this along--we're halfway through the draft, and we should be able to finish this by the end of the week, no problem. So lets queue up.

I would suggest that everyone make me their designated picker for your queues on Draftime as well. That way I can at least move things along when you can't be watching the draft.

394

Tree
ID: 320371412
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 00:31

then if that's how you feel, cast your vote in this thread for next season.

395

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 01:09

You don't need a designated picker. You just set for autodraft and it picks from the top of the que.

396

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 01:34

Some people don't want to autopick. Or, a queue can run out.

If the queue is not available to me, I can't make a selection for a manager. [to make it clear, on Draftime I can select a player for a manager whose queue has run out if I am their DP. Or select a player for them even if the player isn't in their queue.]

397

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 08:34

hey Tax now that your long weekend is over can you pick up your sense of urgency and maybe even set a que in the draftime site that you love so much, please?

398

Great One
ID: 47252711
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 10:06

I had to look up ludite cause I'm dumb... but yeah!

By comparison G20 has done 56 picks in 24 hours starting on a Sunday lol... its been a nice smooth, steady "slow" draft experience.

399

Tree
ID: 320371412
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 10:14

is G20 using Draftime, out of curiousity? or just the boards?

400

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 10:17

Yeah, Draftime.

401

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 10:31

I have an hour delay set to give me a chance at a last gut-check and a long enuff list of personally interesting names great and small to last the rest of the draft.

402

Great One
ID: 47252711
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 10:34

I have done exactly what Boldwin has done. Got my list ready to roll. If I'm not around I'll flip on the auto with a small delay in the event I get it on my phone and want to change my mind.

403

Tree
ID: 320371412
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 11:29

draftime. what a wonderful thing. ::sigh::

i'm suggesting it's time to move forward with the next pick.

404

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 11:37

Didn't you say there were still names on the list he sent? I don't see why at this point we aren't using it if you're now suggesting to move onto the next pick.

405

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 12:01

Just spoke with him, and he'll be back in about an hour and a half. He and I went through a number of names in his mental queue, but all were taken already.

406

Tree
ID: 320371412
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 12:03

PD has the list as well, but there were only three names on the list, and two of them were taken awhile ago. the third Tax selected.

407

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 12:11

Honestly I don't think we should have waited this long. It's time to move on. To very long delay the last two picks.

Really I am calling BS on it and I don't know why I should keep checking back in every hour to see if Tax has picked.

Tax did this from the begining of the draft when he checked in but didn't bother picking simply because draftime wasn't working.

It's arrogant and inconsiderate and I don't understand why we are tolerating it.

408

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 12:14

You had him on the phone? Anyone who knows they are in the middle of a draft can carry a cheat sheet and wait for a call and use that to pick.

Future picks we should put on a 6 hour clock. How much you want to bet he makes his picks magically if there is a clock suddenly imposed?

409

Tree
ID: 320371412
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 12:43

texted him. he responded hours later. again, to his credit, he did announce he was going to be in the boonies, at a wedding, with questionable reception. i've got no problem giving someone a pass on that.

but now, it's nearly noon here on monday in Texas, and we still haven't moved forward. it's time to do so.

but Nerve's posts above are the main reason i am advocating moving forward. because at this point, people start to get pissed off, and that's no good.

i'm going to text him again real quick, but it's time to move on.

410

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 12:44

I understand the frustration, but this was something we knew was going to happen. We'll pick it up this afternoon and knock this draft out this week. I'll start a 6 hour clock in any case.

And in July, when I'm kicking all your asses, you'll wonder why you were so worried about this draft...

411

Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 13:02

you'll wonder why you were so worried about this draft...

Not so much worried as inconvienced. A draft, especially a keeper draft, should take a week maximum, not drag out for two to three weeks. Honestly, after numerous six, eight and longer hour waits, I find myself caring less and less about the process, just set a que to auto/pick instant and be on my way.

Seriously, NBA and NFL drafts have like a few minutes to make their picks, and those have real ramifications. Setting ques and making them available when gone is just incredibly simple.

412

Tree
ID: 320371412
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 13:20

PV is also right on.

on 3/16, we were humming along. i got three picks in within a an 8-hour span - all told, my first four picks happened within 24 hours.

since then, i've made four more picks. my first 4 picks in 24 hours, my next 4 in FIVE DAYS.

413

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 13:47

And most of the slow down has been one person.

415

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 16:56

PV has already expressed the desire I keep him on my 'do expedite' list. Only problem is he failed to leave me his contact numbers.

416

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 17:00

Texted him

417

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 17:08

Baldwin he has posted it twice...

taxman cell again:5one2-8zero1-66zero5

418

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 17:27

I said PV, not Taxman.

419

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 18:18

CC

Weekends are tuff sometimes when one guy takes off as often happens.

This was never intended to be rushed draft tho. The point of this league is to beat the best managers we know and to beat their very best considered judgement IOW after all due diligence for each decision.

Like last year in the prospect keeper draft I didn't want to hear, "Yeah, I woulda taken Jordan Zimmerman but we were so rushed I forgot to check and see if he was still eligible."

420

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 18:44

I don't think i've ever been in a league that bitches as much as this one. :'P

421

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Mon, Mar 21, 2011, 19:31

Zero apathy league.

422

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 00:16

Taxes are due May 15th, right?

423

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 01:23

Has anyone called tax? Someone who is a little less steamed than I am should make that call.

424

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 11:31

Again.

425

Tree on the Evo
ID: 28045819
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 12:17

I texted tax.

426

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 15:37

bili.....Picking Bedard makes us even.

427

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 15:46

We shall see. He's been hurt for so long, it's hard to have too many expectations. Good spring though..

428

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 16:26

"We're sorry, all circuits are busy now. Please try again later." - AF

429

Tree
ID: 320371412
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 17:18

just a quick note - it appears a handful of prospect keepers were not removed from Draftime. so if you're using a queue there, be careful - if it seems too good to be true, it possibly is.

430

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 17:19

I can remove any prospects from the database by hand--let me know if I missed any.

431

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 17:24

Draftime is missing a position. IR

432

Tree
ID: 320371412
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 17:24

surprised at the Strasburg pick.

figured he'd wait until the prospect draft. our rosters are so tight, i can't imagine a team trying to be competitive having a slot tied up all season by a guy who isn't going to play.

then again, i'm also surprised one team has drafted 5 relievers, but that's a whole other story.

434

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 17:45

I don't remember your head exploding when someone actually suggested I use Strasburg in my 7 keepers and just stash him on the IR.

It didn't occur to me he might go undrafted, get skipped by AF and be available to be in the prospect keeper draft, assuming he's still qualified. I'd have to reread the rules on that one.

435

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 17:47

It seems unlikely he'd go through the regular draft unpicked. Unlike some players, he's going to see action this year.

That said, there is no rule against picking up your own dropped prospect in either draft.

436

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 17:48

I thought briefly about it, because there is a small chance we'll see him in August, IIRC, but then I don't expect his ceiling to be nearly as high after TJ. So I skipped him.

437

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 17:49

BTW, for those who like to see every slot filled, Nish apparently qualifies at SS according to Yahoo currently, so if PD wants to [and can] shift him over in my Draftime grid, he's welcome to.

438

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 17:56

No way am I counting on useful stats this year from him, but his mechanics are the source of his heat and next year he'll have that and a stronger elbow ligament. He's got such great repeatable, stable mechanics I don't see him taking forever to get his control back. Next year he should be challenging for top ten status at worst.

439

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 17:58

I don't know much about his mechanics, I just remember never seeing those monster curves from Wood that we saw before surgery ever again.

440

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 18:05

I was also all set to take JJ Hardy instead, but no.

441

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 18:10

finishing up some work--will pick in about ten-fifteen mins.

442

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 18:17

Interesting discussion of TJ/Strasburg.

443

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 18:30

Baldwin you can change the position yourself.

1) Click on your team name.

2) Click on player name.

3) It will immediately offer position change.

444

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 19:12

I forget, we draft through round 14?

445

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 19:13

That's the count I get.

446

Action Figure
ID: 58152100
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 23:27

"i'm also surprised one team has drafted 5 relievers, but that's a whole other story."

Yea sure and you'll come-a-calling come SEP whining about how you need another closer yet you won't want to give anything up for him.

447

Action Figure
ID: 58152100
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 23:31

"We're sorry, all circuits are busy now. Please try again later." - AF

That's my voice mail greeting. Did you leave a message?

448

Action Figure
ID: 58152100
Tue, Mar 22, 2011, 23:34

That said, there is no rule against picking up your own dropped prospect in either draft.

What a pity. We should probably make one about now.

449

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 00:39

I can't get onto draftime site. I keep getting error messages. I will pick shortly.

450

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 00:43

I've been trying for 10 minutes to get into draftime but the site won't load for me, can someone who is able to confirm it's my pick? I thought it showed me picking.

451

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 00:45

OK when I started looking Tree hadn't posted his pick here yet. Now he has so this confirms it's my pick.

452

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 01:06

You have 2 in a row...

453

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 01:15

Making my second pick momentarily which is the one traded from GO.

454

Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 07:59

Why was someone skipped?

455

Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 08:12

I made my pick not realizing C1 had been skipped. The page that came up when I logged in was the selection page, not the draft home.
If C1 wants Kubel, perhaps we can work a trade and I'll take his pick. If not, as long as he picks prior to B7, there shouldn't be any real harm.

456

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 08:19

We always used to turn off the clock at night, yes?

457

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 08:23

We don't usually have a clock.

458

Myboyjack
ID: 447112610
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 08:28

No clock

459

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 08:30

You're right--I thought there was no night clock. I'll turn it off right now.

460

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 09:03

I'll wait for C1.

461

C1-NRB
ID: 5625339
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 09:14

No problems. I tried to wait for nerve last night but gave up between picks- apparently right before he mae his second pick. Heh.

I figured the clock would turn off and I would pick this morning. The strange thing is I thought I had the autopick turned on for that round.

It's all good, anyway.

462

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 10:33

Carlos Zambrano: eight wins and a 1.41 ERA over his last 11 starts.

Last round pitcher? I'm thinking there is a heck of a feistiness discount in this league.

463

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 10:34

great pick, IMO. He's only 29, and seems to have his head on straight finally.

464

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 10:35

Renaming my team "Carlos, AC and Me".

465

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 10:37

Which, we find out later, is really the same person.

466

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 10:41

*In the voice of the most interesting man in the world*

"Stay feisty my friend."

467

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 13:49

I have to go to a workshop on constructive critisism. Seriously. I am going to call up prospect Madison K Bumgarner and use my final draft choice on him. I don't think I need to be around to do that.

468

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 13:56

Rush back to the Libya thread and show us what you learned.

469

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 14:54

B7 make sure you set the pick up on autodraft on draftime.

470

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 15:25

Man I got "Baldwin'd/Boldwin'd" 3 of my last 5 picks.

471

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 17:31

I need Bumgarner put back in Draftbeertime. PD removed most of the prospects.

That was a bunch of HR nonsense. I sum it up as....butter them up and then drop the hammer on them. The instructor was hot, though.

472

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 17:32

done.

473

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 17:51

I am definately not gonna butter Tree up.

474

C1-NRB
ID: 5625339
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 18:15

The instructor was hot, though.

Next week, B7 goes to the biennial sexual harrassment refresher course required of all state employees! Stay tuned!

Oh, you meant "hot" like "a hot-head." As in, "The instructor that did the constructive criticism seminar was a hot-head. That's irony; that's what that is."

Yeah, I'm sure that's what you meant.

475

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 21:36

I'd be more worried about my wife reading it, C1.
She was a Ph.D, too. Who knew that was possible.

Yeah, Boldwin....that ship has sailed.

476

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 23:21

OK, everyone except bili's last pick is entered into Yahoo. Once that's in I'll enter it into Yahoo, then start the thread for the prospect draft.

477

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Wed, Mar 23, 2011, 23:56

Just got home. My 2 man queue exhausted.

I'll bang around and see comes up smelling sweetest.

478

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 01:29

Great--draft is done. If someone can update the draft thread with the last picks that would be great. I've entered the picks into Yahoo and am off to hit the sack. I'll start the prospect draft in a few hours.

479

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 09:53

Prospect draft is open

This shouldn't be more than a day or two, I think. I'll hit the "Begin Season" button on Yahoo when we're done with the prospect draft, adjust the waiver order, and open up the waiver wire. All non-drafted players are on two day waivers.

480

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 09:59

Thanks for all your hard work shepherding your flock through this draft, PD. You handled us black-sheep with remarkable patience.

Good luck. Hopefully your strong run will happen post- ASB this year!

481

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 10:01

Thanks. [what's it like, 7am there? That's RotoGuru dedication!]

Had a good first half last year, anyway. I think I had a decent draft, so hopefully will build on it.

482

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 10:11

I was hoping Romo would fall, but C1 scooped him up.

Then I noticed that I have taken too many chances on my supplemental bats, playing-time wise. Loney should it at least be out there most days. Not sure that's true for Sean, Colvin and Derrek. They are good enough they should be playing every day, but managers will be managers (and Derrek is looking pretty fragile this spring).

483

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 11:35

I think I have an idea which prospect our resident Atlanta fan will be interested in, but he's not answering his phone atm.

484

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 14:59

has anyone called taxman to tell him he is up in the prospect draft?

485

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 15:25

Oh, he knows. He knoooowwws.

He's just making us twist in the wind.

Personally, I haven't started researching prospects yet, so I ain't in any hurry.

Plus I don't want to get cussed at and then be responsible for him quitting. Again.

486

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 16:25

Lol, but no. He really never checks this forum and doesn't know a thing until we call.

487

Taxman
ID: 372242415
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 16:29

When each of the 3 players in queue are picked, you have to atart research over again. I'm Ok with Jackson, but I can't seem to land that heavy hitting 1st baseman.

488

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 18:32

I am headed to bed and will pick in the morning if my pick is up.

I checked in all day/night with little movement.

489

Tree
ID: 320371412
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 19:15

damn you MBJ. i had gotten my hopes up he would fall to me.

how Trout, Moustakas, and Hosmer were not 1-2-3 is beyond me. to me, those were the 3 sure things!

490

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 19:18

Yeah, I almost took him myself. But "power hitting Royal" just doesn't roll off the tongue...

491

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 19:37

Still awake, picking now read it and weep.

492

Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 22:03

Anyone call, text, email, carrier pigeon or stop by GOs house?

493

Great One
ID: 48281723
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 22:16

A pigeon just flew into my window. Will pick by 11 PM

494

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Thu, Mar 24, 2011, 22:26

Be sure to send one my way.

495

Boldwin
ID: 46243212
Fri, Mar 25, 2011, 01:13

Brilliant pick, PV!

496

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Fri, Mar 25, 2011, 01:13

My pick Gerrit Cole, Kieth Law has going #1 in the draft. Why is he not showing up on your cheat sheets? Only minor leaguers are eligible. In a chat on top prospects BA said if he were eligible he would have been number 2.

Law wrote an insider article Mar 12 about him titled "Gerrit Cole looks like the new Strasburg"

He was a first round draft pick by the Yankees in 2008 but choose to go to college instead.

497

Action Figure
ID: 511112193
Fri, Mar 25, 2011, 09:47

Law wrote an insider article Mar 12 about him titled "Gerrit Cole looks like the new Strasburg"

You mean he will tear an elbow ligament and need Tommy John surgery within the first 5 months. then be out for the first 60 days of the 2012 season?

498

nerveclinic
ID: 280482817
Fri, Mar 25, 2011, 14:42

Looks like not moving again. I am headed out, then will check once more before bed.

Baseball 5 days away.

499

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Mar 25, 2011, 14:51

Just emailed the next three up.

Guys, after you draft, go into Yahoo and send a message to the next three up.

500

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Fri, Mar 25, 2011, 17:45

OK bedtime will pick in the morning if my turn is even up.

501

Boldwin
ID: 16253251
Fri, Mar 25, 2011, 17:50

Well I gotta switch to cell communication as I have a ton of work this weekend. Please someone call me when I'm up at one:eight15:5four5:44one4.

502

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Fri, Mar 25, 2011, 17:52

You made it easy, cc. Going back and forth. Kipnis is the safer bet, but f that anyway...

503

Boldwin
ID: 16253251
Fri, Mar 25, 2011, 18:54

Here's the deal. AF is just way busy at work and cannot pick till he gets back at 11pm atlanta time. I'll try and get my pick in shortly thereafter despite needing to make a run home to do so as I will also be at work.

Sorry for the delay but at least now you all know not to check the site every 5 minutes till then.

504

Taxman
ID: 372242415
Fri, Mar 25, 2011, 22:08

For all the complaints thrown this season, quite a few at me, the league did 11 picks yesterday in 12 houre and 3 picks today in the last 19 hours. Yet no complaints. Maybe some maturity has set in.

505

Action Figure
ID: 58152100
Fri, Mar 25, 2011, 23:55

506

Coldwater coyotes
ID: 55229323
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 00:22

Taxman... Any chance you might apologize to some of us who wasted our time checking to see if you had made a pick.

507

Boldwin
ID: 16253251
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 01:33

Call me psychic but I'm thinking CC wants Jason Kipnis.

508

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 01:38

I'm confused by that pick...

509

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 09:47

Can we get this done today so we can start the waiver period and start picking up free agents before the season starts?

Perm can you start the league? It will still be two days before waivers are released.

510

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 09:50

As far as time it's taking for prospect picks, it's frustrating but it different then the regular draft because there no draftime to set a que in.

511

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 10:09

Guys, I'm going to begin the season and set the waiver order on Yahoo.

Because we're still drafting prospects, no prospect eligible players can be picked up until after the draft is concluded.

Otherwise, waivers are two days, so shuffle judiciously.

512

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 11:20

Belt was taken in the regular draft.

513

Myboyjack
ID: 560301921
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 11:30

Good catch B7. I guess I should wait for Taxman to repick.

514

Taxman
ID: 372242415
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 11:47

#506 Coldwater

Sure I can CC, not difficult at all.

I apologize for (please pick one or more):

My prospect pick today (an hour),
My prospect pick two days ago (two and one half hours),
When the regular draft started which was discussed in depth at that time, then deleted,
Any of the picks made last weekend while traveling w/o internet access,
Returning for 2011 Poli BB season,and/or
Some other transgression.

Having finished my part of Prospect Draft, I return to avoiding the Poli Boards.

515

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 11:56

So does this mean that even though Tax posted that after it was said he needs to repick, that he didn't see it?

516

Tree
ID: 24115767
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 11:59

good. lord. can we stop fighting like little b!tches?

517

Tree
ID: 24115767
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 12:01

ive also texted Tax.

518

Taxman
ID: 372242415
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 12:25

Thanks tree...and now I ride off unto the sunset

519

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 13:13

Picking momentarily. Tree took my next pick.

520

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 13:17

I've been informed that I have a busy afternoon planned.

If it gets to me today, I'll have a pick made sometime tonight- but it could be late(ish.)

521

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 14:57

Y'all blow. I was sure one of Jenson, JP or Machado would fall. Well, not Machado.

I have a live drinky-drinky draft at a brewery in a couple of hours, and I haven't yet prepared for it.

If it gets to me, look for a poorly thought-out pick in the wee-hours of the morning.

522

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 15:59

I caught a brief reprieve.

523

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 16:05

*type quietly*

524

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 17:02

Headed to bed. 7Am installation. Please email when it's my turn, blackberry will be in tow.

525

Boldwin
ID: 16253251
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 17:42

It's kinda surprising the order of valuation is still so tight. I don't think the lists in all the draft publications and expert websites agree as closely as our own estimates in this league.

Tho I guess some people here think they got the #1 pick quite late so maybe we aren't in as much agreement as I think we are.

526

Coldwater coyotes
ID: 55229323
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 17:46

Taxman... Any chance you might apologize to some of us who wasted our time checking to see if you had made a pick.

527

Boldwin
ID: 16253251
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 18:24

#514 was his idea of an apology even if it didn't meet too many other's definitions.

CC, this is a league that has to overlook a lot of personal differences. Trust me, Taxman has not insulted you, if you think he has, to the degree Tree has insulted me.

528

Tree
ID: 320371412
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 19:16

:: sigh ::

really 527?

then again, i sleep comfortably knowing that my insults of Baldwin pale in comparison to his insults of:
a. Christians
b. Muslims
c. Jews
d. civility
e. common sense
f. basic human decency

529

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 20:05

PV That was one of the Prospect Keepers of Bili

530

Boldwin
ID: 16253251
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 20:14

T****

As long as you are making up things don't forget hates children and animals, is late for everything and his momma dresses him funny.

531

Tree
ID: 320371412
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 20:30

there's no evidence on these boards you hate children and animals.

as for the rest, well, that's on you pal. if you can't lay in the bed you make, then choose your words and ideals more carefully.

and don't even call me a troll, because you're the one who repeatedly comes out with personal insults out of nowhere, such as in 527.

532

Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 20:32

Sorry, guys. I came home and picked in a rush. Punk stole Machado, and I was kinda unprepared after that.

533

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Sun, Mar 27, 2011, 00:16

No worries. Who'd you try to steal? Sano?

534

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Sun, Mar 27, 2011, 00:26

I drove it like I stole it

535

Boldwin
ID: 16253251
Sun, Mar 27, 2011, 00:54

bili says he'll be picking late, AF is out of picks and I'll make mine half way thru the night so the guys immediately after me should get ready for an early pick.

536

Boldwin
ID: 16253251
Sun, Mar 27, 2011, 10:40

"I have a live drinky-drinky draft at a brewery in a couple of hours" - Bili 3/26...14:57

I predict the winning strategy was sobriety.

537

Boldwin
ID: 16253251
Sun, Mar 27, 2011, 10:45

Wouldn't it be fun if next year we have a drinking game where everyone takes a drink each time Tree accuses me of a gross ethical violation? I bet that would be fun.

538

biliruben
ID: 171361013
Sun, Mar 27, 2011, 11:00

That would be sweet.

I'll pick in a few.

539

Tree
ID: 24115767
Sun, Mar 27, 2011, 11:35

540

Boldwin
ID: 16253251
Sun, Mar 27, 2011, 11:37

Cause I loves me some Foreigner.

541

Boldwin
ID: 16253251
Sun, Mar 27, 2011, 12:10

...And he really brilliant in the night games.

542

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Sun, Mar 27, 2011, 12:32

OK picking shortly.

543

Boldwin
ID: 16253251
Mon, Mar 28, 2011, 04:37

B7 4.01 and CC 4.02 and we are done drafting for the season.

544

nerveclinic
ID: 280482817
Sat, Apr 02, 2011, 09:31

Baldwin Arenciba is Great One's prospect

545

Boldwin
ID: 4635123
Sat, Apr 02, 2011, 09:58

drat

546

Great One
ID: 72572817
Sat, Apr 02, 2011, 10:02

He's available for trade and prospect eligible as a bonus!

547

Great One
ID: 72572817
Sat, Apr 02, 2011, 10:58

Guess I'll call up JP.

548

Great One
ID: 72572817
Sun, Apr 03, 2011, 11:53

lord.... looks like I gotta call up Drabek this week too. So many problems.

549

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Sun, Apr 03, 2011, 12:51

My team appears to suck. We shall see.

550

Boldwin
ID: 4635123
Sun, Apr 03, 2011, 18:03

What I really hate is when you actually have a great day, accumulating useful counting stats, but somehow it doesn't budge you in that day's standings.

551

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Sun, Apr 03, 2011, 18:13

What I really hate is when you actually have a great day, accumulating useful counting stats, but somehow it doesn't budge you in that day's standings.

Especially in the first week or so of the season when wild swings occur daily. I was winning this league after Opening Day; it seems so long ago...

552

Boldwin
ID: 4635123
Sun, Apr 03, 2011, 18:16

Like, how do you get a win, a save, 2 hr, a useful ERA and WHIP for the day and lose ground?

553

Tree
ID: 3131141
Mon, Apr 04, 2011, 02:11

when everyone else gets 2 wins, a save, 2 hr, and a useful ERA and WHIP?

554

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Fri, Apr 08, 2011, 17:29

I was licking my chops watching Zimmerman on the FA list with 128IP.

Good thing you were watching Baldone.

555

Boldwin
ID: 22311814
Fri, Apr 08, 2011, 17:40

It's a sharktank in here. 8]

556

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Fri, Apr 08, 2011, 18:17

You didnt get me email reminder?

557

Boldwin
ID: 22311814
Fri, Apr 08, 2011, 19:24

What's e-mail?

558

Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Sat, Apr 09, 2011, 20:51

Tree picked up Chris Sale. He's my prospect.

559

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Apr 09, 2011, 22:51

Last week of hitting:

6-30
7-39
4-25
8-29
4-26
1-17
9-28 (.321!)

A decent start, and a fall off a cliff. Only one day over .200.

560

Tree
ID: 320371412
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 03:11

my bad. will drop now. i didn't even think to look.

561

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 08:05

Not to pick at old wounds but, the superstars and prospects tree paraded around to trade for draft picks did exactly as I predicted in the draft.

Tree: other prospects/superstars i am looking to move include:

Gordon Beckham
Matt Garza
Jonathan Sanchez
Jonathan Papelbon

Superstars? And then he scratches his head and whines when no one will trade with him.

IMHO no one on that list is even a first round draft pick let alone a keeper except Papelbon who Boston tried to unload during the offseason.

My whole point was, except for Papelbon, any of the other players could be picked up later in the draft without giving up a draft pick.

The outcome?

Gordon Beckham 3rd round
Matt Garza 7th round
Jonathan Sanchez 5th
Jonathan Papelbon as predicted 1st round

This is how Tree Spins his trades. Now he will come back on in a fury and explain again why I had it all wrong and still do.

562

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 08:47

IMO The phrase other prospects/superstars means other prospects or superstars. Not "and superstars." Are all of those names a prospect or a superstar. Yes.

563

Nerveclinic
ID: 29123923
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 09:36

Well B7 you have a looser definition then mine' the only true prospect was Beckham.

The point is, there is no reason to give up a draft pick and keeper slot for players drafted in the 3rd, 5th and 7th rd of the draft and that was my point at the time.

564

Tree
ID: 320371412
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 10:56

prospects or superstars. good lord. is your butt so hurt you need to keep harping on words?

again, the value of a player depends on a team's need.

Beckham and Sanchez are starting off this season looking like keepers going into next season. Garza's K/IP number is unreal. Papelbon is, well, Papelbon.

a lower division team in this league would almost certainly end up reaping profits if they had traded picks for players like Beckham and Sanchez.

many people in this league don't understand the value of trading. i'm not going to sit here and insult other owners about their strategies, but another owner i talked in great length about some of the absolutely poor drafting in the regular and prospect drafts.

it makes this league less fun to see the same owners make the same mistakes over and over again in regards to team building.

565

Boldwin
ID: 1135295
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 12:37

How many owners here have never finished in the top three here? Not very many I wager.

566

Tree
ID: 60121615
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 15:51

How many owners here have never finished in the top three here? Not very many I wager.

considering this league is over 10 years old, the odds are absolutely in your favor with that statement.

but there are some franchises - Bilis, MITH/CCs, SZ/GOs, NC's, mine - who have placed in the top three multiple times.

There are others - yours for example - that doesn't look they've placed in the top 3 for a long, long time (i can't see the results for 2002, and i don't know who the owner of some franchises in 2003 and 2001 are). There are others too - who look like they've either never placed in the top 3, or haven't done it in a long time.

since 2005 (a total of 18 top three finishes), a total of six franchises have taken 16 of those 18 spots - 5 by me, 3 by bili, and 2 each by CC, SZ, NC, and Tax/Toral. last season was the first since 2004 that i didn't finish in the top 3.

that's basically 6 teams dominating the last 6 seasons, and that's fairly staggering, so i'll stand by what i said in 564.

Some teams can win nearly every season, and other teams have to accept that it takes time to build a winner - only those teams don't want to take the time, and keep making the same mistakes over and over and over again.

567

Boldwin
ID: 1135295
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 16:23

The problem I don't think is in the effort or the knowledge. It's in the nature of the keepers and the short bench.

Having a Hanley Ramirez or a Pujols confers longtime advantages that are long odds to overcome. Finding the next Pujols takes holding 4 could-be's while they are young and unproductive and holding your team back in the standings for years and the odds they ever become Pujols are staggeringly against you. Having only two bench slots doesn't help the process.

And yes I've won one or two.

568

Boldwin
ID: 1135295
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 16:57

This is the reason leagues that put more time into sophisticated rules and lawyering often raise the price on a Pujols every year until Pujol's own mother couldn't afford to keep him on her team eventually.

569

Tree
ID: 60121615
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 17:20

Having a Hanley Ramirez or a Pujols confers longtime advantages that are long odds to overcome. Finding the next Pujols takes holding 4 could-be's while they are young and unproductive and holding your team back in the standings for years and the odds they ever become Pujols are staggeringly against you. Having only two bench slots doesn't help the process.

sorry, i don't but that. one or two players isn't going to lead you to victory - look at my talent from last season, and where i finished.

here's an example: why the heck didn't AF trade the retiring Billy Wagner to a contender last season for some draft picks - it was a perfect opportunity for him to gain an additional early round pick - relievers are mysteriously at a premium in this league. it was a non-move that baffles me. you not holding Castro was another baffling move to me - it worked out for you, but it was still baffling that you wouldn't take a risk on a player like that.

And yes I've won one or two.

not in 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, or 2004. 2003 saw Toral, Bili, and Cobra Verde finish in the top 3, so unless you're Cobra Verde, it wasn't that year.

i can't find the results for 2002, and yes, you did win in 2001 - 10 years ago.

so even if you did finish in 3rd in 2003 as Cobra Verde, or even won the whole thing in 2002, you've still gone a looooooong time without a top three finish.

570

Great One
ID: 113241019
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 20:28

He could have gotten a 3rd for Wagner last July/August... and then taken that same 3rd and flipped it for a guy like Beckham or Papelbon in the offseason and it wouldn't have costed him a thing to find a good solid younger keeper.

571

Boldwin
ID: 1135295
Sun, Apr 10, 2011, 21:05

I think I won 2002 but we used CBS or something like that. In 2003 fourth place wasn't that shabby.

However what once was a killer nucleus of...

Frank Thomas
Alphonso Soriano
Nomar Garciaparra
Magglio Ordonez
Todd Helton

Just fell off the table altogether and I don't think I was the only one who thot they were quality up until then. These guys all had outstanding batting eyes back in the day.

572

Tree
ID: 320371412
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 01:31

However what once was a killer nucleus of...

Frank Thomas
Alphonso Soriano
Nomar Garciaparra
Magglio Ordonez
Todd Helton

Just fell off the table altogether and I don't think I was the only one who thot they were quality up until then. These guys all had outstanding batting eyes back in the day.

and so did Ruth and Gehrig. but if they were on your team now, you'd be in last place.

to me, that's your problem. you hold onto players way past their prime - Soriano is the perfect example for you. you have a soft spot for them.

Frank Thomas is a good example. the dude's best years were in the 1990s. sure, he had 42 homers in 2003 and 39 in 2006, but from 2001 until he retired in 2008, he only had 2 seasons of more than 30 dingers. he probably had strong value in 2000. after that, not so much.

GarciaParra the same thing. his last good year was 2003. he played SEVEN more seasons after that, but only once in that time frame did he have double digit home runs.

Helton, ditto. after his 2004 campaign, his numbers plumeted, and have never been the same. Avg. and power numbers plummeted.

in 2003, these guys were solid players to lead a team to fantasy championship. but now it's 2011.

if you want to rest on your laurels, then feel free. but 2003 is far too long ago for a top three finish for my tastes. i wouldnt be content at all.

573

Boldwin
ID: 16317113
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 04:17

574

Boldwin
ID: 16317113
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 04:23

And ordinarily extremely fast players maintain their value later into their career because they have so much athleticism to spare. Alphonso Soriano fell off the table extraordinarily early and lost his 2B qualification so that is the kind of bad fortune I've run into.

I also don't have the shamelessness to bug you with 47 offers for Pujols until you trade him to me out of annoyance. Unlike some managers I could mention.

575

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 08:52

I'm just glad to finally see a result in green. How about that--almost out of last place!

576

Great One
ID: 4733559
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 09:10

I was actually pretty sure SB guys lost value quicker than anyone. Thats why teams are hesitant to sign them to long term deals. But the old power guy can DH forever.

I don't know how or where to quantify that, but thats just a rule of thumb I heard from a Baseball Tonight or some show I was watching a few years back. I think it was in refrence to how much of a freak Rickey Henderson was.

577

Tree
ID: 320371412
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 10:01

The funny thing is somehow you can tell when Frank Thomas' career is thru, even tho he's still got a 40+HR season in him...but when you have someone like that and I try and trade for the old coot, that's the old veteran who is going to hold onto his value until he's 42.

Frank Thomas didn't hold on to any value.

after the age of 32, he had two keeper-worthy seasons in the next eight. you don't hold on to a 37-year old DH coming off two seasons when he hit 18 and 12 homers, respectively, and .271 and .219 during those same two seasons, especially in favor of a youthful guy who may give you a lot more long-time credit.

at that point in his career, Thomas' 39 homers in 2006 was more a fluke of him staying healthy. to me, you can't build a team on that. you have to build a squad on a combination of youth, experience, and guys who go out there year in and year out and put up the numbers.

and if you're a team that has struggled to place in the upper half of the standings, you don't hold on to a retiring closer, and at some point, you really have to make a decision to tear it down and start all over.

a guy like Gordan Beckham has a chance to be a 20-20 second baseman for the next several years. he's only 24 years old. a lower team in the standings shoulda snatched him up. i'll take him, and there's a real good chance he'll be a keeper for me this season.

578

Boldwin
ID: 16317113
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 15:51

At what age will Pujols hit that wall and be available for a realistic price?

579

Tree
ID: 24115767
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 16:47

what's a reasonable price for the best player in baseball?

580

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 17:06

All this is highly subjective. There is no "right way" to play this game, and suggesting there is shows arrogance and condescension that unduly harms the league.

Part of what I like about the game is trying to find a superior strategy, and I'm constantly tweaking it, both in terms of game-play and player valuation.

Older players can offer high value, and highly touted prospects can often end up sucking ass.

Don't presume to know the best way to win.

581

Boldwin
ID: 16317113
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 17:13

One thing I know is that you have to find value where you can find it. If the league undervalues something put on the feedbag. If they overvalue something beware.

582

Tree
ID: 24115767
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 18:08

There is no "right way" to play this game, and suggesting there is shows arrogance and condescension that unduly harms the league.

you may be correct in that first statement, but there are certainly wrong ways to play the game.

583

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Mon, Apr 11, 2011, 18:14

No doubt. Keeping your players on the bench, not paying attention, not DL ing players. Sure.

584

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 06:52

I always chalk it up to general insecurity when someone has to publicly tug on everyones sleeves and tell them how much better at something he is then others.

585

Tree
ID: 320371412
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 10:30

I always chalk it up to general insecurity when someone has to publicly tug on everyones sleeves and tell them how much better at something he is then others.

like post 561?

586

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 11:46

like post 561?

Huh?

I am in a competitive league where trades effect the final outcome.

There is one member of the league who has fantastic keepers and has been known to make lopsided trades.

To help my competitive chances I sometimes point out the absurdity of the trade offers.

That isn't really the same as telling everyone how many times I've come in third place or better.

8-)

587

Tree
ID: 320371412
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 11:53

exactly. your motivation is to try and persuade people to not trade with me. it's cheap, it's sleazy, and it hurts the balance of the league. there are trades that some teams should make, that they don't make, because they're afraid of being bullied by others. THAT is something that hurts this league.

i was defending myself against your unprovoked attack. i've done very well in this league, and it's by building a team almost from scratch.

on hindsight, many of my trades have been less lopsided than originally thought. no one complained about the trade between GO and myself last season. and my very first trade - moving Jeff Kent for Carl Crawford and Luis Castillo - was pegged as an awful deal on my part.

588

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 12:42

I'm always partial to the trade between tree and me, which resulted in Zen quitting:

From tree:

Andrew McCutchen
Rick Porcello
Adam Wainwright
Francisco Rodriguez
6th round draft pick (6.14)
13th round draft pick (13.14)
14th round draft pick (14.14)

From Perm Dude:

2nd round draft pick (2.01)
3rd round draft pick (3.01)
6th round draft pick (6.01)

Traded Porcello for Sizemore (didn't work for either of us). Kept Ethier over McCutchen. Kept Feliz over FRod this year. And Wainwright gave me a great season and will rise again next year.

589

Great One
ID: 4733559
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 13:15

Bili, there may be no "right way" to play in some respects. You can like closers and I like starters, or you like stolen base guys and I like sluggers. I like rookies, you like veterans. Thats all fine.

But in terms of management of assets... the example provided is a no-brainer. How can it be seen in any other way? If I am in last place in August and a contender offers me a 3rd round pick for my retiring closer. How could I possibly not want to do that? Even better, I think my offer was Joe Nathan (an improved keeper vs. a retiree) AND a draft pick.

Thats basic keeper league trading class 101.

590

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 13:31

I would file that under "not paying attention." ;)

Either that, or a manager simply has misplaced anti-trading principles.

591

Tree
ID: 320371412
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 14:12

I would file that under "not paying attention." ;)

Either that, or a manager simply has misplaced anti-trading principles.

he was paying attention. he even told me he wouldn't trade with me because his trade with me the previous season won the league championship for me.

592

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 15:05

Well, that might be simply playing the long-game. Not poisoning the league against him, so that he will be able to make the trades he'll needs to put him over the top when he is in position to win.

Either that, or he doesn't like you. That means you might be Playing this game sub-optimally yourself. ;)

593

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 16:18

it's cheap, it's sleazy

I am and proud of it.

594

Tree
ID: 320371412
Tue, Apr 12, 2011, 17:12

Well, that might be simply playing the long-game. Not poisoning the league against him, so that he will be able to make the trades he'll needs to put him over the top when he is in position to win.

you gotta build a contender before you can be a contender.

Either that, or he doesn't like you. That means you might be Playing this game sub-optimally yourself. ;)

nah, it has more to do with people like NC poisoning the well.

i'm perfectly fine that i didn't give up an early round pick for a closer last season - i was so far out, it would have hurt me in the long-term.

i also know who the good trading partners, and the bad trading partners, in this league are. off the top of my head, i've made solid deals that were beneficial for both teams with you, PD, GO, and i believe at some point MBJ.

595

Great One
ID: 4733559
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 13:55

MBJ and I have have worked out a deal with some prospect eligible guys moving around.

MBJ acquires Alex Gordon, Bobby Abreu, Kyle Drabek (prospect eligible) and Arencibia (prospect eligible)
GO acquires acquires Kinsler, Posada, AJ Burnett and prospect eligible Alonso

Drabek and Arencibia are currently on my team. So Drabek is actually in the trade, so he'll just go over to MBJ.
Should I just drop Arencibia back to the free agent pool and then we'll switch who has rights to him?

596

Great One
ID: 4733559
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 13:59

Crap, I see Drabek is part of the old style prospect, so he lost his prospect eligibility. Hmm. Well I suppose he'll pass the threshold mid-season anyhow and it doesn't really matter.

MBJ, since I kind of missed that part, I'll add a clause if you want in good faith.
If Drabek doesn't hit 125 IP this year, then I'll give you my 5th round pick for your last as compensation.

597

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 14:02

My instinct would be that if they are currently on your roster, you should probably explicitly include them in the trade.

I suppose it doesn't matter that much, however. Simply dropping Arencibia probably works.

Interesting trade. Makes me think MBJ is playing for next year, but who knows, as all of those pieces have potential value in 2011.

Maybe our Cincy fan knows more about Alonso than I do.

598

Great One
ID: 4733559
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 14:08

Yeah, but the tricky part was that I was trading him for a guy who is just on the list and not on a roster, so i guess we weren't sure which way to go.

599

Tree
ID: 320371412
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 14:09

nice to see some trading.

600

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 14:33

Just staring at Britton this morning wondering if he was a prospect, Nerve. Looking good.

601

C1-NRB
ID: 5625339
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 15:36

Just staring at Britton this morning wondering if he was a prospect, Nerve. Looking good.

I sniffed him out half way through his last start. I was thinking I could make a spot for him. Too bad he's spoken for.

602

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 16:27

When I posted a few days ago I really liked the new prospect rule, I literally had Britton in mind. I can bring him up for easier starts then send him to FA when I need to fill a different bench slot or when someone comes off DL.

603

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Apr 14, 2011, 17:41

No fair getting to use your prospects! ;)

604

Taxman
ID: 372242415
Fri, Apr 15, 2011, 01:05

I know...I'm not monitoring this board...but come on, If I am in the lead, even in April, someone is having a really bad year.

605

Boldwin
ID: 54316150
Fri, Apr 15, 2011, 01:43

Well CarGo just hit only his first HR and Liriano can't crack below a 10.0 ERA until he decides his spring training is over. A guy I picked up on the WW leads my team in HR...

...but other than that it's been going great...

Wait there was the Zimmerman DL.

And the Nish broken leg.

My stolen base happy lineup is earning me 3 pts in runs and my team selected towards high BA is delivering a blistering .239...

Things should be all turned around by next week.

606

Great One
ID: 113241019
Sat, Apr 16, 2011, 12:19

Arencibia dropped back to free agency. So please switch rights for him and Alonso with me and MBJ.

607

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Apr 19, 2011, 10:57

Done. Also inserted Myers back into the list at the right place.

608

C1-NRB
ID: 5625339
Tue, Apr 19, 2011, 12:46

I know...I'm not monitoring this board...but come on, If I am in the lead, even in April, someone is having a really bad year.

I had a really bad day yesterday.

609

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Apr 19, 2011, 13:01

Yeah, you have to watch those Cincy pitchers at home. Balls tend to fly out of that place.

I'm glad my guys *finally* seem to be hitting. Was poking around a bit and things aren't as bad as they seemed before. I'll ride my CLE starters until they implode (and they will). Hopefully Jimenez will be back in his grove by then.

610

Great One
ID: 4733559
Tue, Apr 19, 2011, 13:02

Tax is blowing my mind still in 1st place... he's got some off the charts pitching numbers to this point.

611

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Apr 19, 2011, 13:17

Kept 4 pitchers he did--and they are all doing quite well. Smart drafting as well.

612

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Apr 19, 2011, 15:36

Baldwin: Sent you an email. Lemme know what you think.

613

Boldwin
ID: 333101916
Tue, Apr 19, 2011, 17:10

I don't see anything there yet PD.

614

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Apr 19, 2011, 17:15

Sent it via Yahoo. I'll try to re-send.

615

Boldwin
ID: 333101916
Tue, Apr 19, 2011, 17:40

Got it. I don't see a potential deal yet but I'll ponder. I kinda have bigger expectations for Sizemore.

616

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 11:40

Last place! Is April over yet?

617

Boldwin
ID: 2354214
Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 14:50

You always do this before winning the league, you drama-hound.

618

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 19:21

I am not particularly confident. In the end, your players have to hit and pitchers have to pitch.

With the exception of my Brewers and your Starlin, I got nothin' so far.

Goodbye Carl...

619

Tree on the Evo
ID: 28045819
Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 21:01

I still can't believe Castro was not kept. He will be a perennial top 5 shortstop for a decade.

620

Boldwin
ID: 2354214
Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 21:16

Yeah, I prolly should have dropped Wieters for Castro. Catchers rarely offer enuff value for keepers.

621

Great One
ID: 113241019
Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 10:24

Why do these trades take so long to process? Trade agreed on Thursday... we gotta stare at this thing til Monday?

622

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 13:01

It's to increase the chances of a key injury and accompanying angst.

623

Great One
ID: 113241019
Sat, Apr 23, 2011, 14:24

haha... that too.

12.5 gain to jump into first, even this early in the season thats a big pop for one day. I think most of my starters pitch on the same day though, so I suppose I'll fall back as I wait for them to go again.

624

Great One
ID: 134419
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 09:59

It certainly has been a pleasant surprise to be doing so well without absolutely zero contribution from Hanley Ramirez. It makes me feel like the rest of the team that I have flipped (from what I inherited) is headed in the right direction.

I hope he figures it out soon and this team can really take off.

625

Boldwin
ID: 253542417
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 14:45

bili

So what was that, one day or two it took you to go from last place to top half? Drama-hound passes me in the process, *grumble*.

626

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 16:43

That was almost all due to 32 Ks. Not sustainable.

5 solid pitching outings and only 1 w and 0 s. I gotta start getting some run support.

627

Boldwin
ID: 43482517
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 18:48

PD

E-mail me your phone number and I'll have a counter-proposal involving draft picks and no players from you that should solve your problem.

628

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 19:22

Home office number: 570-839-7477.

Co. contact us web page, fyi.

Fighting a wicked cold right now, but should be in the office after about 10am your time tomorrow.

629

Tree
ID: 320371412
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 19:48

on yahoo, you can now make trade offers involving draft picks.

630

Boldwin
ID: 43482517
Mon, Apr 25, 2011, 20:04

You'll hear from me tomorrow, PD.

631

Great One
ID: 134419
Tue, Apr 26, 2011, 11:33

Brett Wallace is also my prospect... whoever picked him up last night.

good year so far for my prospect picks - Wallace, Arencibia and Drabek.

632

C1-NRB
ID: 5625339
Tue, Apr 26, 2011, 13:23

Well, crap.

633

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 00:27

And to make matters worse I dropped Wallace early this afternoon and thought he was off my roster so I didn't bench him. As it turns out he went 3-4 with an RBI.

Can the commissioner remove his stats from my team?

634

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 01:45

Can't do it, it seems.

Make a note of it in the league message board. If the change in the stats makes a difference in the end we'll try to have Yahoo make the change manually.

635

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 01:50

Probably better to simply bench a comparable player for a day - I would say of GOs choosing, leaving his spot empty as penalty. He can make it up going forward.

If he really is in the hunt at the end, it would kind of suck to lose by manual modification.

636

C1-NRB
ID: 5625339
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 10:29

Message posted. I think I can do the "RBI Math" easily enough (RBI Total - 1). The ciphering for final AVG will require me to get out a calculator, though.

637

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 11:25

I propose an asterisk next to C1's record.

638

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 11:26

Two!

639

C1-NRB
ID: 5625339
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 11:29

I propose an asterisk next to C1's record.

Done.

Sort of. See league page.

640

Boldwin
ID: 63282620
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 11:30

C1-NRB

I had that exact thing happen to me once. Very easy to overlook that he's still on your active roster after you've dismissed him.

641

Great One
ID: 134419
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 14:09

Could we have him just sit Votto one game and we are done, no asterisks or nothing?

642

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 23:42

Could we have him just sit Votto one game and we are done, no asterisks or nothing?

How about this- I'll sit a player of Great One's choosing (please don't pick Votto) until that player (please don't pick Votto) accumulates the three ill-gotten hits (please don't pick Votto) and the undeserved RBI (please don't pick Votto).

Penalties incurred could be the player (please don't pick Votto) goes on an RBI tear or hits multiple RBI HRs as his three hits. *shudder*

You know, I think I can find a calculator pretty easily after all. Better yet, I'll figure my final AVG by hand rather than accept this kangaroo court penalty I thought up. I'll even show my work!

I'll do whatever the league majority feels is appropriate. We're having fun here, no?

643

Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Wed, Apr 27, 2011, 23:55

I vote for flogging.

644

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Wed, May 04, 2011, 05:29

Baldy that"s tough having Liriano on bench for no hitter but must say I probably would have done the same.

I have been sitting certain pitchers during certain match ups, like against Yankees at home, so don't assume it's because I am not checking in.

645

C1-NRB
ID: 5625339
Wed, May 04, 2011, 09:37

I sat a middle relief pitcher last night who picked up a W for 1/3 of an inning. The out was a strikeout, too. Not the same as a no-hitter, though.

646

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, May 04, 2011, 11:16

I suppose I'll call up Brett Wallace now.

647

C1-NRB
ID: 5625339
Wed, May 04, 2011, 15:26

Great One: I suppose I'll call up Brett Wallace now.

Does this mean I can remove the Asterisks of Shame now? I have someone to pass them on to. (You know who you are.)

648

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, May 04, 2011, 15:50

The trade between C1 and myself is actually Valencia for Hank Conger, his prospect who I already picked up accidentally. Rather than dropping Conger and then making an offer for him, C1 and I agreed to just make the trade a little after the fact.

There might be a player-to-be-named later (low level prospect).

649

C1-NRB
ID: 5625339
Wed, May 04, 2011, 16:00

And the asterisks. Don't forget the asterisks!

650

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, May 04, 2011, 16:43

Does this mean I can remove the Asterisks of Shame now?

You should keep the asterisks until the end of the season, so we can remember to subtract 3 for 4 with an RBI. We'll probably forget about it in October.

651

C1-NRB
ID: 5625339
Wed, May 04, 2011, 17:11

Sorry, PD. You have to get your own Asterisks of Shame.

652

Boldwin
ID: 7412318
Thu, May 05, 2011, 02:37

Nerve

Yeah, Liriano has richly deserved that benching and honestly I've only dared put him out there about three times.

Notice that even in that game he only had 2K's. I chalk that up to the fact that the Twins just have the White Sox' number. They either have them scouted to a faretheewell or they've stolen the WS' signs but they really have been Sox killers all out of proportion to how they do against everyone else.

Something is wrong with Liriano this year. Arm strength or hidden injury or he's lost the mechanics on one of his pitches, and he's not locating his fastball even. I'm just not using him till he's proven he's back.

653

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Thu, May 05, 2011, 05:52

Geeez Baldy if you didn't just talk him down here, might have been a good sell high moment.

654

Boldwin
ID: 7412318
Thu, May 05, 2011, 10:36

I'm willing to wait him out. It's a keeper league and he has the highest upside I know of.

On the otherhand if he's injured I don't want to sandbag some poor shmuck.

655

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Sat, May 07, 2011, 07:24

Head scratching this...

I am sitting in first place in this league, although I don't think this line up has the staying power.

But over in the Gurukeeper league, which I have won the last two years in a row, with a current lineup that includes among others...

Hanley Ramirez, Rob Cano, David Wright, Carlos Gonzalez, Carl Crawford (potentially 5 top 10 draft picks, certainly top 15) and I am sitting in last place all year, currently 10 points away from the second to last place.

656

Boldwin
ID: 48457713
Sat, May 07, 2011, 15:01

Car-Go is rocketing me to great heights as well.

657

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Sat, May 07, 2011, 23:16

Hello,
The trade in Political Baseball was unsuccessful for the following reason:
At least one team did not select anything to trade.
As a result it will not be processed.
Obamas *DustStorm Troopers*
Valencia, Danny (IF,CI,3B-Min)

--Fantasy Baseball Commissioner

Looks like we have to do this the hard way.

PD- Waive Valencia; nobody else get him.
And don't forget to add your Asterisks of Shame to your team name.

658

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Sun, May 08, 2011, 02:40

Just curious, were you actually thinking Yahoo would allow you to trade someone for no one?

659

Boldwin
ID: 3243782
Sun, May 08, 2011, 05:35

That's how I interpreted 629.

660

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, May 08, 2011, 08:30

#658: When Yahoo allowed me to offer the trade, yes. Why would they allow me to make an offer that they wouldn't let actually go through it accepted?

661

Tree
ID: 320371412
Sun, May 08, 2011, 12:17

there's an easier way.

trade Valencia and a 10th round pick for a 10th round pick.

then, trade your 10th round picks back to each other.

662

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Sun, May 08, 2011, 15:00

But Yahoo! wants to see players switch teams. I didn't send anyone to PD, so it wouldn't let the trade go through.

I guess I can trade him the guy I'll cut, which is looking like Tim Collins (RP).

When this came up I had guys on the DL and open roster spots, so I wouldn't have had to cut anyone.

*Asterisks!*

663

Tree
ID: 16329157
Sun, May 08, 2011, 18:20

i think its just wording. i see no reason why you couldnt trade players for draft picks. otherwise, whats the point of that feature?

664

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Sun, May 08, 2011, 20:35

My guess is it would have worked fine if you had left an empty bench spot.

665

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Mon, May 09, 2011, 18:40

My guess is it would have worked fine if you had left an empty bench sp

yes agreed

666

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Mon, May 09, 2011, 18:47

It's taken care of now, down to Copyrights of Contrition.

667

Great One
ID: 46457122
Thu, May 12, 2011, 23:35

No idea why I had Beltran on the bench. Oh well.

668

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Tue, May 17, 2011, 00:55

Good, bad, or otherwise I will entertain offers for Cliff Lee after his next start.

You have five days to think about it.

669

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Tue, May 17, 2011, 14:39

tic toc tic toc...

670

Boldwin
ID: 9437170
Tue, May 17, 2011, 20:42

Glutton for punishment, I am gonna stick Liriano back out there again. He's been ok 2 of the last 3 and it is Seattle, and is IN Seattle.

671

Great One
ID: 14531621
Mon, May 30, 2011, 22:27

I thought this league had lots of chatter... 2 full weeks of silence?

I managed to leave TWO guys with TWO HR's each and 9 total RBI's on the bench today. Nice.
I'm looking for a starting pitcher if anyone needs a hitter.

672

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, May 30, 2011, 23:35

GO: I've tried to work up a deal along the lines we discussed, but it just isn't happening for me.

673

C1-NRB
ID: 401412422
Mon, May 30, 2011, 23:56

GO: See post 668. But be forewarned- Cy Young quality commands MVP quality in return.

674

biliruben
ID: 34435239
Tue, May 31, 2011, 09:29

It looks like a sweet, tight race way up top there. Wish I was in the mix.

I'll be happy to entertain offers if my team can provide any assistance to one of the front runners.

I'll make some offers as time permits, but if you see something you like, let me know.

675

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, May 31, 2011, 09:50

Don't really have a ton of interest in Lee, I wouldn't want to have to use a keeper spot on a third starting pitcher.
And I'd be keeping Lester and Verlander before I'd keep him.

Looking more for a mid-level starting pitcher (regardless of age) who I don't really need to keep.

676

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Fri, Jun 03, 2011, 14:48

Now I have you right where I want you!

677

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Tue, Jun 07, 2011, 12:42

Nerve: My pick Gerrit Cole, Kieth Law has going #1 in the draft.

Tree: 2.07 Anthony Rendon, 3B, Rice

(this guy is going to be the ACTUAL #1 pick this year, not Cole.)

Result?

Cole goes # 1
Rendon goes #6, not even top 5.

Had to of been a disappointing evening.

8-)

678

Action Figure
ID: 27501013
Fri, Jun 10, 2011, 14:00

Nerve: My pick Gerrit Cole, Kieth Law has going #1 in the draft.

I like my guy going 3rd on a team like AZ as opposed to 1st for the Pitt Baseball Pirates.

679

Action Figure
ID: 27501013
Fri, Jun 10, 2011, 14:54

what do you think?

680

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Jun 10, 2011, 15:02

So I have my super IF watching from the sidelines after miserable starts -- Wright (.226), Hanley (.210) and Kinsler (.235) all out.

So I plug in Justin Turner, Theriot and Cuddyer and this team has been better for it! ridiculous. Scrubs leading the way... and thank god for the Killer B's -- Berkman, Brett W. and Beltran (thanks for passing on him everyone).

681

Boldwin
ID: 295311022
Sat, Jun 11, 2011, 16:47

Misery is waking up from a nap to find one of your better pitchers is on the bench juuuust too late to put him in.

Relief is seeing a 45.00 ERA, 8WHIP for his first inning of work.

682

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Jun 11, 2011, 17:00

Heh.

Was thinking the other day that I would love to find a league where your team gets maximized each day. You carry a full squad and bench players, but if a bench player who plays outdoes a regular player they would get swapped automatically.

683

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Jun 22, 2011, 09:00

216 ERA and 27.00 WHIP. That's about the worst I've ever seen. That does more damage than infinity. There's only a couple ways to get an ERA like that and none of them are good.

684

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 00:49

Did hell just freeze over? I made a trade with Tree.

685

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 00:54

We should bring Zen back to slam your trading chops.

686

biliruben
ID: 59551120
Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 00:57

You call that a trade? More just expediting the waiver wire.

Just trying to fill in. ;)

687

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 09:05

Tree, you been drinking martinis again?

688

Tree
ID: 41512710
Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 10:43

glad to see i'm the one being criticized. lol

689

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 11:15

Hell the first guy he tried to trade me for Kendrick was some catcher I had literally never heard of.

690

Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 11:36

I'm riding the CarGo victory train!

691

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 11:46

I'm not criticizing the details of the trade. Just that you and nerve made a trade at all. Our only trade occurred when we were both drinking heavily.

692

Tree
ID: 595402313
Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 14:41

Well, I'm on pain meds for two strained quads, if that's any consolation...

693

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 14:46

It took place morning my time time I was as sober as can be.

Looks like a completely even trade to me actually.

Rotowire had the advantage to the Kendrick side by .19 of a fantasy point.

I think I was so stunned Tree made a fair offer I had to take it... 8-)

The fact I need pitching helped.

694

Tree
ID: 60121615
Thu, Jun 23, 2011, 19:38

i was looking for a bit of an offensive spark. Nerve was looking for pitching.

i've offered pitching around the league for a week now. every offer was countered with some one who is a current cy young contender, and it didn't strike me as balanced.

nerve did the same. i countered with Perez, and lo and behold we made a deal. i think it's about as fair as a deal gets, because it's one of those with two evenly matched players that fill holes, and either could break out or bust.

695

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 05:22

Tree i countered with Perez, and lo and behold we made a deal.

I hate to break this to you, you didn't trade Perez, you traded Garcia, in fact you don't even have anyone named Perez on your team. 8-)

696

biliruben
ID: 59551120
Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 08:58

There are several Perez's on the waiver wire...

If you had wanted one, he could have gotten one quite easily.

I think my comment has been amply validated!

697

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 10:33

Tree much have jumped on the trade cause he thought he was gonna get Kendrick for Oliver Perez.

698

Boldwin
ID: 14520249
Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 11:17

GO

I wrote that as a joke when the putative #1 draft pick was batting under the Mendoza line for a month. [If that's hyperbole, not by much]

I don't mind leaving that joke up as long as it takes to become serious.

699

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 11:26

I guess I'm riding the Hanley, D.Wright, Kinsler, Crawford train myself... thats the core of my team and they have combined for an amazing .228 this season. If they ever wake up, my team might really get going... on down the track...

I seem to have some extra pitching at the moment. Anyone interested in a simple SP for hitter trade?

700

Tree
ID: 41512710
Fri, Jun 24, 2011, 11:35

I hate to break this to you, you didn't trade Perez, you traded Garcia, in fact you don't even have anyone named Perez on your team. 8-)

oy, yes. that was some fast typing. i was looking at Chris Perez in a trade offer from another league....

701

Boldwin
ID: 125142819
Tue, Jun 28, 2011, 20:14

Dibs

702

biliruben
ID: 59551120
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 02:25

Balk.

703

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 10:23

I can't believe someone had Ryan Kalish all season long... are you guys related or something?

704

C1-NRB
ID: 564251210
Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 10:54

I can't believe someone had Ryan Kalish all season long... are you guys related or something?

Since the cat is out of the bag- I read somewhere he was a relatively highly touted prospect with a good upside and he showed a little something last year when the rosters expanded. I picked him up very late in the draft with the idea of hiding him on the bench until I could see if he had anything or not. Why not, amiright? Anyway...I finally decided I needed offense now versus the possibility of potential in the future.

Watch- he'll get traded somewhere in the next couple of weeks, get called up, and will show he really does have something. By then, since I've explained my master plan like a Bond villian, one of you "fine gentlemen" with bench space will have picked him up and will reap the benefit. Put your waiver claim in now!

Speaking of master plans, I've offered Cliff Lee to three of you. Anyone having second thoughts?

705

Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 11:07

Good thing you didn't sell low on Cliff Lee for your sake...
and I don't think anyone has extra bench space in this league with its super small benches so I wouldn't worry about that one.

But you are right he'll likely be in some trade offers as the Sox will be looking for an extra SP, maybe another bullpen arm and a good right handed hitter.

706

Boldwin
ID: 25530309
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 11:42

Can you really even call it a bench? More like a solitary strap.

707

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 12:46

N train! I used to live at the end of the N train line in Astoria for years.

708

C1-NRB
ID: 564251210
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 15:19

Good thing you didn't sell low on Cliff Lee for your sake...

I may have been asking too much. No one told me why they didn't like the deal I sent, but at the time, yeah, it was probably kind of high.

Now, though...

709

Tree
ID: 41512710
Thu, Jun 30, 2011, 20:48

i used to date a girl who lived off the last time on the N in Astoria.

710

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 08:02

Good thing you didn't sell low on Cliff Lee for your sake.

Sell low? He wanted Matt Holiday and a closer from me.

711

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 08:05

C1 NRB I did respond at the time I cancelled the trade. The response would have come in an email from Yahoo notifying you the trade was declined. I filled out the message box and told you the inclusion of a closer was too much.

712

C1-NRB
ID: 564251210
Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 10:26

I filled out the message box and told you the inclusion of a closer was too much.

Hmm. I went back and double checked (I don't want to accuse you unfairly) and there wasn't anything included. I wonder if it just didn't come through.

Thanks for letting me know why you didn't go for it, though.

Like I said, I probably had him priced too high at the time. And maybe I still do have him overvalued.

713

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 22:26

Trade announcement:

Building 7 trades Jason Heyward and his last draft choice to feel the electricity for Jason Marquis and his first draft choice.

714

Action Figure
ID: 58152100
Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 22:59

Confirmed

715

Boldwin
ID: 96150
Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 03:05

Wow, who woulda thot of dangling Heyward in front of AF? 8]

Not complaining. So like, when Kelly Johnson left Hotlanta did he lose all his cachet with you, AF?

716

Boldwin
ID: 96150
Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 03:07

And does B7 already have his 1st rnd pick made?

717

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 09:09

I'm not sure who will be available. Probably a slugger. My 1st round picks have been Cruz, Broxton, and Konerko. Probably not a closer.

C1, I left some commentary also.

718

C1-NRB
ID: 564251210
Wed, Jul 06, 2011, 10:11

Huh. Like I said, there wasn't any comments on the rejection I received. Maybe gmail cuts it.

719

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Thu, Jul 07, 2011, 17:54

I am positive, I remember writing that the closer was too much and I probably wanted to keep Holiday anyway. I don't doubt you didn't get them but it's really strange. Comments came through in the trade between Tree and myself.

720

biliruben
ID: 59551120
Thu, Jul 07, 2011, 17:56

I've lost comments in the past by entering them before clicking "offer a counter-trade", which has it's own comment section.

Not very intuitive.

721

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Thu, Jul 07, 2011, 17:57

B7 I don't understand why you made that trade. You are in 3rd place. Heyward has huge upside, Marquis does not. The draft pick only helps you next year. Heyward seems like a crazy thing to give up when in a pennant race. What was your logic?

722

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Thu, Jul 07, 2011, 22:01

Marquis will be cut immediately.

Heyward hurt his shoulder and has not done well this year.....he's actually hurting me.

I need the roster spot and couldn't figure who to cut.

I put him on the trade block and nobody else sent an offer. Next time I may be taken seriously.

I have a lot of potential keepers, so I was going to get value now.

I now have one of the top picks in next years draft which I can keep or trade to fill a need this year.

I owed Action from a football trade. Now he owes me. Ha.

He won't help a top division team this year.

I may call up Ackley.

I don't like five tool players.

I was mad at Heyward for doing lousy this year.
.............

Pick some of those reasons. You're right though, it could be a dubious trade.

723

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Fri, Jul 08, 2011, 12:42

I put him on the trade block and nobody else sent an offer.

Apparently I missed that because I defiantly would have made an offer.

724

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Fri, Jul 08, 2011, 12:44

Just did a search of entire thread. No mention of Heyward up for trade. let me guess you sent it to the spam email I use with Yahoo?

725

Boldwin
ID: 3669811
Fri, Jul 08, 2011, 13:22

I don't like five tool players.

Lol!

I don't think anyone will deny that the plum tradebait doesn't always get offered equitably to everyone.

726

Boldwin
ID: 3669811
Fri, Jul 08, 2011, 13:23

Nerve

Let us hear what a defiant offer sounds like.

"Give me Heyward for a bag of balls or I'll cut yours off!"?

727

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Fri, Jul 08, 2011, 13:52

Are you calling me a liar? The trading block is on the yahoo site, Albert. It's gone now, but can be read in the transactions section.

Jul 4 10:19pm Trading Block: Building 7 set available players to Jason Heyward (Atl - OF) , Alexi Ogando (Tex - SP,RP)

What were you going to allegedly offer?

728

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Fri, Jul 08, 2011, 17:07

B7 who is calling you a liar? Little touchy today?

I rarely look at the trading block. In fact I forget about it for large periods of the season. If you are offering one of the most promising young players in the game, maybe mention it in this thread?

Anyway you did fine, you got a #1 draft pick for him.

729

Boldwin
ID: 3669811
Fri, Jul 08, 2011, 18:25

Most people never use that feature and if they do they aren't realistic offers. I rarely check it out.

730

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Jul 12, 2011, 11:10

I'm in the market for a closer... non-keeper quality is fine.
Would trade a high draft pick + can package it with Chisenhall who is still prospect eligible and I don't expect will reach 300 AB's.

731

Tree
ID: 41512710
Tue, Jul 19, 2011, 09:34

have to admit i'm a bit surprised to see Morneau end up on my team. sure, he's banged up. but he's also only 30, and certainly better keeper potential than a bunch of other guys out there. i had waiver priority 11 - can't believe he fell that far. he's only what, two years removed from an MVP campaign?

732

Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Tue, Jul 19, 2011, 09:54

I struggled with Morneau for 3 years, never coming close to a full season. With limited roster space, he became a liability.
Of course now that I've let him go, he'll probably regaian all his past past glory.

733

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Tue, Jul 19, 2011, 11:57

I'm looking to trade a closer, if anyone is interested. Probably Valverde, he's highly likely to keep the job the rest of the season and is 25 for 25 in saves.

734

Myboyjack
ID: 36452617
Tue, Jul 19, 2011, 22:29

GO = Ben Revere is my prospect. Needs to be dropped

735

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 08:52

Dropped him yesterday sorry about that.

I think its only right we remove his stats too, so do we remove his 0/9 he gave me? :0 Sounds like thats my penalty...

736

C1-NRB
ID: 564251210
Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 12:25

I think its only right we remove his stats too, so do we remove his 0/9 he gave me? :0 Sounds like thats my penalty...

I say we double it. :})

737

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 12:42

have to admit i'm a bit surprised to see Morneau end up on my team.

I am trying to win this year, I don't have any room on the roster for a brain dead log.

I was surprised to see Brett Gardener waived and I am very glad I grabbed him. Gardner will be a keeper most likely.

738

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 13:08

Any distant, autonomous duchy of my once proud empire are a available for a few thin copper pieces.

739

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 17:35

The Zobrist for Feliz trade includes GO's 3rd round pick for PD's last + a Chisenhall for Carrasco prospect swap.

The full trade:

GO gives:

Ben Zobrist
Lonnie Chisenhall (prospect list)
3rd round pick

PD gives:

Neftali Feliz
Carlos Carrasco (prospect)
Last round pick

740

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 17:38

And you can just delete Carrasco off of my list (did he pass the threshold anyhow?).

741

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 17:55

good catch--he did go over 125 career IP recently.

742

Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, Jul 21, 2011, 09:39

You guys should just trade each other your entire teams and see what happens...

743

Great One
ID: 35521016
Sat, Jul 23, 2011, 13:39

Alright, so get Crawford, Wright, Lester and Danks back this week and Hanley has finally joined us in 2011... time to start heading for the top of the leader board!

744

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Mon, Jul 25, 2011, 13:50

This Looks like it could go multiway battle right to the end. Lots of contenders! Wish my players had decided to play this year so I could enjoy the fun..

745

Boldwin
ID: 35615181
Mon, Jul 25, 2011, 14:26

I take some consolation that the two categories I am not competitive in can snap back easily. Wins and AVE.

Somehow I'm not at the complete bottom of AVE while dragging 5 guys hitting @.210. Regression to the mean time?

Pitchers with a collective WHIP south of .120 should be able to win.

I'm finally hitting on three quality closer cylinders.

Last years' SB leader Juan Pierre has finally decided to play.

746

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Jul 26, 2011, 13:22

Well even with a recent resurgence, I still have these 2011 Season AVG's for my keeper hitters -->

Howard - .249
Kinsler - .255
Hanley - .245
Crawford - .249
Wright - .248

Thank god for Beltran and Berkman (and Beckett pitching). If it weren't for guys whose names start with BE I'd be done this season.
They definitely kept me afloat.

747

Boldwin
ID: 35615181
Sat, Jul 30, 2011, 22:08

Is anyone else finding Yahoo virtually unusable? I can barely make roster moves and the team page folds up when I try and use it. Matchups won't work.

748

Tree
ID: 41512710
Sat, Jul 30, 2011, 23:07

probably a virus you got from one of your wingnut websites. no problems with yahoo at all.

750

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Aug 03, 2011, 10:23

I assume the above needs deletion? I don't know.

How about a 3 way tie for first place?!

751

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Aug 03, 2011, 10:29

good catch--thought I got then all, but obviously this one slipped through!

752

Tree
ID: 41512710
Wed, Aug 03, 2011, 11:06

and how about Soriano - first day on my team, hits two homers...while sitting on the bench!

753

C1-NRB
ID: 52752821
Mon, Aug 08, 2011, 22:53

As the trade deadline looms, I'm in the market for power stats- HR, RBI, and R.

I'll give WHIP, ERA, SB, and AVG.

754

C1-NRB
ID: 207331210
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 11:33

If a trade is accepted today will it beat the Sunday deadline?

755

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Fri, Aug 12, 2011, 12:50

as long as the trade is accepted before the deadline it goes through.

756

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Tue, Aug 16, 2011, 21:23

I take some consolation that the two categories I am not competitive in can snap back easily. Wins and AVE.

Somehow I'm not at the complete bottom of AVE while dragging 5 guys hitting @.210. Regression to the mean time?

Pitchers with a collective WHIP south of .120 should be able to win.

WHIP is not predictor of wins, higher whip on a better hitting team that scores runs has a better shot at wins then a low whip with a bad supporting cast of hitters.

AVG is very hard category to change 3/4th of way through season.

757

Boldwin
ID: 35615181
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 07:25

Usually I prefer to gamble on better quality players who come cheap because they play on bad teams instead of spending high picks on Yankees #5 pitcher and Boston's #9 batter.

I'll prolly end up with Strasburg and Jordon Zimmermann as keepers and struggle in wins for years.

I usually draft high ave as a first priority thinking good things happen when the ball is in play.

Got stuck with Kelly Johnson's half-season 59/18/50/12...and the .209 attached to it.

Jason Bay was in more of a funk even before the concussion than I realized.

Cargo, Ryan Zimmerman and Grady Sizemore couldn't stay healthy.

Butler and Weiters still haven't taken off the hornrim glasses and put the cape on tho every expert assures me any day now.

Oswalt my first pick has been injured.

It's a miracle I'm in the middle all things considered. Peralta WW pickup and Granderson brightspots not withstanding.

758

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 08:13

Butler and Weiters still haven't taken off the hornrim glasses and put the cape on tho every expert assures me any day no

Not sure that is the consensus anymore, I think a lot of experts are beginning to downgrade Weiters. Butler I doubt I will keep in the Gurukeepers league.

Oswalt my first pick has been injured.

Yeah well here's your violin, my first pick was Kendry Morales and he hasn't played a game all year.

759

Tree
ID: 44721188
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 09:42

If Butler, Weiters, and Jordan Zimmerman are three of your keepers, you're going to be in trouble for a long time, especially with the first two.

There are possibly two catchers worth keeping in this league, and it may even be less than that. Weiters isn't one of them. And i can't imagine keeping a first baseman that will struggle to hit 20 homers. Michael Morse is more of a keeper than Billy Butler at this point.

760

Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 09:48

GO and Tree on top of the league. Well thats interesting.

761

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 10:09

Weiters really hasn't panned out. I suppose if you have a place to stash him he's probably a buy-low kind of guy right now, but until Baltimore gets some hitters to protect the guy I just don't see him reaching his potential quickly, if at all.

At the beginning of the year I'd have said there would be a half-dozen catchers, easily, that were keeper worthy, but the position has taken a beating this year. And other than Jesus Montero I haven't seen anyone in the pipeline. So we're probably down to VMart, Posey, McCann and maybe Mauer. It'll be interesting, in a suddenly rare position, how the picks play out next year for catcher.

762

Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 12:26

Zimmerman is a free agent in many leagues I'm in. He's only 68% owned.

763

Boldwin
ID: 35615181
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 12:43

I've gotten a trade offer for him in this one.

764

Tree
ID: 97151813
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 14:15

Trade offers don't make someone a keeper. I've made plenty of trades for non keepers because they would help my team during that particular season.

765

Boldwin
ID: 35615181
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 14:18

They also don't make someone a marginal mixed league player.

766

Boldwin
ID: 35615181
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 14:31

Here is Fangraphs ranks Jordon Zimmermann by performance this year so far.

Really you all thot he was barely rosterable?

767

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 14:36

Zimmerman only has a couple more starts this year before the Nats shut him down. And he will never get many W's playing for them. But he's got solid WHIP & ERA numbers, IMO, and he's young.

When he gets moved to the #2 starter next year he is a really good sleeper option, depending on whether the team gets any real bats. They tried last year with Werth but he's not a guy to carry a team.

But just one or two more decent bats in the lineup and I think you'll see Zimmerman's W's pop up to 12 or 13.

768

Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 14:42

I didn't say I thought that, i just said that 1/3 of Yahoo leagues don't even have him on rosters. Less than Ryan Dempster and Ricky Nolasco.

And the validity of any chart that has Zimmerman ahead of David Price has to be called into question.

In our league - with our scoring, cause thats what matters... he's the 51st best pitcher this season and 119 overall.
He's also had 1 good month - June - where he went 3-1 with a 0.85 ERA. His other 4 months combine for 100 IP with an ERA of 4.50.

769

Tree
ID: 97151813
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 15:08

I see 6 undoubtable keepers on your team Baldwin. None of them are named Butler, Weiters, or Jordan Zimmerman. I see a 7th guy I'd keep over those three, but wouldn't blame you for keeping them over that other guy. But if you keep all 3,i'll be licking my chops over who you drop.

770

Boldwin
ID: 35615181
Thu, Aug 18, 2011, 19:37

Wieters is gone but I haven't done other that math yet.

771

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 02:56

And other than Jesus Montero I haven't seen anyone in the pipeline. PD hate to break it to you but Montero isn't exactly panning out either.

Word is he is not a great catcher (Kieth Law is one example of someone saying this.) Very good chance when he comes up it's not as a catcher. Maybe DH.

Even if he does catch, look at his stats this year. almost 400 AB, 13 HR's, 0 SB, a pedestrian .283 BA, 33 BB to 88 SO. If those were his stats in the majors he wouldn't be a keeper, but that's the minors.

He allowed 64 stolen bases and only caught 22.

Now he's only 21 so hopefully improvement will come but right now people are saying he's not the prospect they once thought.

One rumor is they offered Montero for Ubaldo and Colo said no thanks. He's also been offered in other trades and not been taken so...

772

Tree
ID: 41512710
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 08:24

oh, and post 760. didn't we make some trades or something?

773

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 10:57

774

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Aug 19, 2011, 11:05

#771: I've only heard that the Yankees have flat out said "no" when asked about him in trades. I've not heard anything about them offering him up, which would be the opposite of what they have been saying and acting. Not saying that isn't true, but it goes against all I've heard.

He's like VMart: A so-so catcher, but a great offensive weapon. He's been so-so (though the last couple of weeks he's been heating up) this season. Scranton is right down the road from me--from what I've been hearing the guy is actually a little bored at AAA level.

The problem for the Yanks is that Russell Martin is proving to be better than they thought he would be--particularly at defense. I'm not sure they are now ready to turn over the spot to a first-baseman-in-waiting.

775

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Sat, Aug 20, 2011, 01:59

"I've only heard that the Yankees have flat out said "no" when asked about him in trades." Really? Where did you hear that?

ESPN NY " The top prospect that GM Brian Cashman seems most willing to give up is Jesus Montero."

Sports Illustrated "SI.com's Cliff Corcoran writes that some of the New York Yankees’ top prospects could find themselves out of pinstripes when the July 31 non-waiver trading deadline arrives. Among those who might be traded: catcher Jesus Montero."

Bleacher Report "How do other clubs view Montero? Start with the Colorado Rockies, who scouted Montero when he was being discussed in a possible trade to bring Ubaldo Jimenez to the Yankees. The Rockies viewed Montero as a first baseman, not a catcher, and said he would never be the center piece of a deal involving Jimenez.

There's no part of Cervelli's game that's better than mediocre, yet he's kept Montero in the minors for months.
It’s also worth noting that the Yankees were, according to multiple reports, willing to trade Montero for Jimenez—a pitcher about whom they claim to have numerous questions."

I mean dude just do a simple google search you'll get a long list of articles saying he was considered in trades and the biggest problem was the other teams didn't want him because his catching is not big league ready. So I am not sure where these articles saying NY was not willing to trade him are.

At the beginning of the year he was Kieth Law's number 4 prospect, just half way through the year (All Star break) he dropped him to 21.

"#21 Analysis: His bat still hasn't really come around, although I have to believe the power and patience are all still in there. For a guy who projects as a first baseman or DH, though, .289/.346/.418 isn't an inspiring offensive performance given his history. Preseason Ranking: 4"

776

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Sun, Aug 28, 2011, 15:29

Irene is wreaking havoc with my fantasy team.

is it wreaking or reeking?

777

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Wed, Sep 07, 2011, 08:51

So football seasons starts and all the chatty talk stops in baseball?

Gobama is looking solid.

778

Boldwin
ID: 35615181
Wed, Sep 07, 2011, 08:56

I picked Trout up with the understanding I can keep him on my farm team next year as long as he is under the AB limit per a change in the farm system we made about a year ago.

779

C1-NRB
ID: 564251210
Wed, Sep 07, 2011, 09:15

I was looking at the standings last night.

My team is on an island; no other team is as far from those on either side of it than mine. I think that means I've got sixth place locked up, in case anyone was wondering.

780

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Sep 07, 2011, 09:17

While I do have a lot of games and IP left, losing Hanley again is really leaving me trying to piece a lineup together every day... Trevor Plouffe?! can anyone pick him out of a lineup...

Its gonna be hard for me to find more more points I think so you are in solid position.

Vampirez is not a threat and has just been a pretender up there with 200 more IP than everybody... so its really just Tree/B7 lying in the weeds. I'm not sure what they've got.

781

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Sep 07, 2011, 09:18

C1 - you might pass Vampirez, he's gonna finish under 100 closer to you than you think.

782

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Sep 07, 2011, 12:21

#778: Players can only be drafted onto the prospect list. You can't pick up a player off waivers, then place him on the prospect list directly.

783

Boldwin
ID: 35615181
Wed, Sep 07, 2011, 13:10

Trout is already my prospect on my prospect list since the season's beginning.

784

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Sep 07, 2011, 13:12

ah, OK, you're good then. Prospects drafted under the new rules have unlimited callups so long as they are under the limits.

785

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Wed, Sep 07, 2011, 15:47

Baldy what are you waiting for, put him in your line up. Dudes sick.

786

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Wed, Sep 07, 2011, 16:39

GO Most of the points changes on my end are coming from pitching and you have better pitching and 60 more innings.

787

Great One
ID: 574139
Wed, Sep 07, 2011, 16:56

Beckett's ankle may have a major impact on things then...

788

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Wed, Sep 07, 2011, 18:08

No seriously you win. Congrats, great year and I just hope with my keepers and a good draft I can have another shot next year.

:P

789

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Sun, Sep 11, 2011, 12:13

So I dropped Motte, even though I knew he was the new closer, because I had 5 closers. What I didn't count on was GObama picking him up.

Can the rest of the league please wake up?

790

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Sun, Sep 11, 2011, 12:15

Did we lose Taxman? He hasn't logged in since Aug 7th and he has two DL players in his line up. Did I miss something?

791

Tree
ID: 41512710
Sun, Sep 11, 2011, 18:08

Can the rest of the league please wake up?

i put in a claim for Motte. i guess i didn't have the higher waiver priority.

792

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Mon, Sep 12, 2011, 10:16

Wow look at Building 7 moving up through the pack.

793

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Mon, Sep 12, 2011, 14:07

I should have quit paying attention sooner.

794

Boldwin
ID: 35615181
Mon, Sep 12, 2011, 14:37

B7

Tut tut, how can the leaders have any fun if we don't notice? Gratz to so many tightly grouped leaders whose plans have come together just about right.

If only all my Sizemores, Oswalts and Nathans had gone off Granderson style. Couldn't they have given me at least one good month? Argh! Maybe next year.

795

Tree
ID: 41512710
Mon, Sep 12, 2011, 15:47

If only all my Sizemores, Oswalts and Nathans had gone off Granderson style.

it's been pointed out before, and i'll say it again. i think you pin your hopes on players that haven't had a good season in a relative number of yours, believing that "ok, THIS is going to be the year!"

you did it with Soriano, now you're doing it with Sizemore (who hasn't played more than 108 games since 2008, has never had a 100 RBI season, has had only one 30 homer season, has never hit about .290, and so on), Oswalt (has won more than 15 games only once since 2005 and has had some fairly pedestrian ERA and strike out totals in recent years), and Nathan (who many folks speculated would lose his group on the closer job early this season).

not saying they aren't good players, but they're sort of not superstars anymore. you've got some players on your team you can build around, but you've got to build, and stop relying on banged up guys making a come back.

796

Great One
ID: 574139
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 10:09

I finally have a good system for not adding prospects... with Lawrie, Jennings etc. staring me in the face each day, it dawned on me to just click the icon next to their name -- the watch list -- and just put them all on my Watch List. Then when I sort stuff they come up with the little blue thing next to them and I know to avoid them.

797

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 10:49

nerve, I sent you an email last night--would you respond when you get a moment?

798

Tree
ID: 41512710
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 12:43

i have to admit, as long as Lawrie and Montero stay under the minimums this season, i really like how they'll just slide into my line up next season.

799

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 13:51

OK PD probably to the one linked to the league? That's basically a spam account, I will go check.

800

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 14:12

Done Fred.

801

C1-NRB
ID: 564251210
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 15:11

Still no challengers for sixth place? Ha-ha! It's mine! All mine, I say!

Is our league going to be the exception that proves the rule that good hitting can beat good pitching?

802

nerveclinic
ID: 48201315
Tue, Sep 13, 2011, 16:20

C1 Mariano Rivera was my only pitching keeper.
Good hitting beats good pitching in Fantasy IMHO.

803

Action Figure
ID: 328341522
Thu, Sep 15, 2011, 23:34

So Panda hits for the cycle then they walk him.

I suppose my only bright spot this year is that I improved my keeper list by Drafting him. Did anyone else draft a player that will now be their keeper? or are my keepers so lame that Panda fits right in.

804

Tree
ID: 41512710
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 00:15

i have to see how it shakes out, but a guy like Michael Morse, who i took in one of the last rounds, certainly could be a keeper.

805

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 00:43

I think you had one of the best draft finishes I've seen, Tree. Morse, Pineda, plus Jaime Garcia in the last 4 rounds?

806

Tree
ID: 41512710
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 09:15

yea, i was noticing that yesterday. that was a helluva a bottom of a draft. 20 homers, .300 Avg contributed by Morse, and 15 wins, 250 K (whoa), plus an ERA in the mid 3s and a Whip of about 1.20 for the pitchers. not too shabby.

807

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 09:18

I'd say Bili drafting Starlin was pretty sweet... led the league in hits. I don't know who let that guy go.

My "Be" picks in the 8th-10th rounder carried me this season, but I don't think I'll keep them cause they are veterans. Beltran, Berkman, Beckett.

Papelbon deserves to be kept, but I don't think I can find a place.

808

C1-NRB
ID: 564251210
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 09:27

The only drafted player I can see keeping is Craig Kimbrel - Closer for Atlanta and probable RoY in the NL.

809

Tree
ID: 41512710
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 11:01

I'd say Bili drafting Starlin was pretty sweet... led the league in hits. I don't know who let that guy go.

check the early part of this thread. there was a heady discussion on Baldwin letting him go, in favor of keeping Beltran (although i think he ended up not keeping either).

i also think he let Strasburg go too, but was able to re-draft him later.

810

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 11:18

Yeah, I'm in the worst of both worlds. Keepers declined and my non-keepers sucked, so nothing to trade. At least a few prospects show promise. Jennings in particular, though dee looks to provide speed at ss for my dodgers. Might have a good problem at short next year with Castro and Gordon .

This is going to be a multiyear rebuild.

811

Tree
ID: 41512710
Fri, Sep 16, 2011, 12:09

Bili - i think your rebuilding process will be quicker than you think.

Gordon and Jennings are going to give you two "Extra" keepers for next season - MLB ready guys.

you've got Castro, Fielder, Braun, Phillips, and Romero as solid keepers. and i think Phillips is far and away the oldest guy in the bunch, and he's only 30.

throw in a couple high-risk/high-reward keepers like Belt, Maybin, or Alvarez, and i think you're doing ok.

and with Castro, Gordon, Braun, and Maybin, you are going to be VERY SB-rich. i think one of your SS could be a reasonably decent trading chip.

i like the look of your team going into next season's draft.

812

biliruben
ID: 59551120
Sun, Sep 18, 2011, 11:51

Well, even with their injury riddled seasons, I think Choo and Youkilis would make the cut in front of Belt, Maybin and Alvarez, but the decision will be tough. Romero's very good, but I'm still not sold on him either. I have a lot of B+ guys.

Question for today: I'm neck in neck in my home money league, with my nemisis who has won the league more than any other manager. She is very good and very smart. She is at .293 era and I'm at .294. Do I start Cain in Colorado today?

I have 1 or 2 starts left from Kershaw, 2 from Grienke and 1 from Cain. 4 closers. 82 innings remaining.

813

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Sun, Sep 18, 2011, 14:46

That's a tough call bili, colorado is not hitting that great, even at home. 2.93 to 2.94 era, this late wouldn't be effected much unless he gives up 5-6 runs or more?

Cain has been very consistent lately, and has been good lately and has an excellent track record against Colorado over 25 games in his career.

Pfft I'd probably pitch him if I needed the strikeouts.

It ain't your daddy's Colorado.

814

biliruben
ID: 59551120
Sun, Sep 18, 2011, 19:25

I started him, though probably shouldn't have.

I'm solidly in the lead in Ws and WHIP, and have slim chance of making up a point or 2 in Ks. ERA is our real battleground, and fortunately Grienke tore up the reads and helped me pull back in front there, but it could have been a bigger jump, but for Cain.

815

Boldwin
ID: 35615181
Sun, Sep 18, 2011, 19:40

Ouch, teams decided to give five of my starters the day off. Gotta take a look at the rookies I guess.

816

Tree
ID: 41512710
Sun, Sep 18, 2011, 20:03

I think Choo and Youkilis would make the cut in front of Belt, Maybin and Alvarez, but the decision will be tough.

imho...

over Alvarez, yea. But Choo is a 20-20-.300 guy who contributes for runs and ribbies too, but he's about to turn 30. i'd be concerned about only having a couple good seasons left.

Youkilis, is even more worrisome. 33 years old, declining skills, etc. if i'm a young team with nothing to lose, i rebuild big time, and don't worry so much about the older players.

817

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 04:39

Obamas picked up Desmond Jennings who is Bilis prospect.

818

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 08:55

Fixed. I misread his ab's--thought for sure I was swooping in on a guy just over the limits.

819

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 12:38

Thanks guys. Naughty pd.

820

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Sep 19, 2011, 12:59

I've put myself down for a good spanking.

821

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Tue, Sep 20, 2011, 02:06

I've put myself down for a good spanking.

That's too much information PD. Did you forget which forum you were writing in?

823

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Tue, Sep 20, 2011, 18:14

What are those prospect rules? Don't I get 7 days after they reach 300 AB's to pick them up or else they become a free agent. Is that correct?

Good luck to everyone down the stretch.

824

biliruben
ID: 59551120
Wed, Sep 21, 2011, 00:43

yep

825

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Wed, Sep 21, 2011, 06:19

B7 from the day he hits 300 you have 7 full days and then at midnight eastern time at the start of what would be the 8th day he is available to all.

826

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Sep 21, 2011, 17:32

Thanks for clearing that up. What if the 7 days takes you into the off-season?
Can he remain a prospect for next year?

827

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Wed, Sep 21, 2011, 17:42

From the rules:

"Prospects who go over their limits within 7 days of the end of the regular season are still protected, but must be kept as a regular keeper the next year. They are no longer eligible to be kept as a prospect keeper, even if they went over in their last at-bat of the previous season."

To clarify, they are not required to be kept should a manager not want to do so. But they are required to be kept as regular keepers for a manager to protect them.

828

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Sep 21, 2011, 19:51

Two brutal rulings in a row. I saw this day coming, though. There may be a way I can win this thing. I'm going to have to take a closer look at it.

829

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Fri, Sep 23, 2011, 06:40

B7 I am assuming PD wasn't making a "ruling" he was cutting and pasting from an old post where the rules were agreed upon I am guessing.

830

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Fri, Sep 23, 2011, 09:13

Two brutal explanations in a row. I saw this day coming, though. There may be a way I can take second place in this thing. I'm going to have to take a closer look at it.

831

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Fri, Sep 23, 2011, 11:06

You were within 2-3 points just a couple days ago I hardly think it's over.

My pitching is quickly running out.

Thanks God my hitters have come back. I had about a week with below .200 BA and barely a blip of peripheral stats.

832

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Wed, Sep 28, 2011, 11:48

It's going to be an extremely close finish and there is a definate chance I get knocked out the last day.

I have no more pitching stats.

3 people will pass me in K's including B7, That will move me from 117 to 114 and move B7 to 113.

CC is only 2 behind me in saves with 2 closers going he could tie.

Go Bama is only 5 behind me in runs.

My only possible gains are 1 behind B7 at SB but he has more base stealers then me so doubtful.

I am also 5 behind him in RBI but that is hard to make up.

So should be a wild finish.

833

biliruben
ID: 59551120
Wed, Sep 28, 2011, 20:11

Go luck nerve.

I'm 8 up in the NWA and feeling pretty confident, but Melissa has 5 starters going, so anything could happen. #1 in every batting category with Prince jacking 3 last night.

834

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 00:09

Nice finish. GO with an incredible 48 IP today. Even leaving Feliz on the bench (thereby passing a chance for .5 in saves today) wouldn't have helped him overtake nerve's big lead.

Great season, fellas.

835

biliruben
ID: 59551120
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 00:30

Congrats Nerve!! Great season to all!

836

Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 00:46

Nice Nerve! You got those 2 stolen bases to win that category. Coulda been different had I caved and traded Bourne.

837

Great One
ID: 574139
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 09:54

Congrats to nerve.

GObama just couldn't overcome disastrous seasons from Wright and Hanley and Crawford who were my core.
I got lucky with late draft picks and waiver wire guys carrying me, but that can only get you so far.

And man do I hate closers. Papelbon and the traded for Feliz were supposed to fix my saves the last couple months but they showed just how worthless they can be when they don't get opportunities. Feliz picked it up the last 10 days, but for the month I had before then he only got 2 save opp's. And obviously with the Sox in a free fall Papelbon was limited to only 2 saves after Aug. 18th.

838

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 12:31

Thanks everyone and if it's not too self indulgent a quick season recap...

My first pick of the draft was Kendry Morales who didn't play a game all year.

I also drafted the following, none of whom remained on my team for long

Phil Hughes
Brett Anderson
Ian Desmond
Brian Matusz
Edwin Jackson
Alexi Ogando (Shouldn't have dropped him)
Chase Headley
Franklin Gutiérrez
Chris Iannetta

Only 3 of my draft picks lasted the year on my team, Asdrubel Cabrera, Mark Reynolds and Shawn Marcum.

My trade with Bili seemed pretty even at the time. Choo who was having a down year, but everyone expected him to bounce back and he was a top 30-40 player on most draft lists, for Greinke, who had just come off a significant season staring injury and didn't look the same, and Adrian Beltre who everyone imagined was in the twilight of his career. Who knew he would set a Texas record for September HRs's (12) and that Greinke would come back close to his old form.

Doug Fister was a gem pick up down the stretch. Thanks to my Seattle friends for not noticing. Fisters stats for me? 53.1 IP, 4 W 50 K's 1.69 ERA 0.75 WHIP

Vogelsong was a great early pickup. 127.2 7 W 94 K's 2.68 1.30

Still grateful for whoever dropped Brett Gardner (On my team log he had 45 SB's for me and 76 runs with a .274 BA) not bad for a waiver wire pick up. Also whoever dropped Nick Markakis (.308 BA, 10 Hr and 8 SB as a mid season pick up)

Mariano was the only closer going into the season but at one point the last 6 weeks I had 6 closers, could have picked up a 7th, but there weren't enough slots which means some people weren't looking very hard late season.

The following closers had at least one save for me...Mariano Rivera, Jose Contreras, Arthur Rhodes, Vincete Padilla, Eduardo Sanchez, Mark Melancon, Javy Guerra, Rafeal Betencourt, Ramon Ramirez, Joel Peralta, Jim Johnson, Santiago Casilla, and Jason Motte (Who I dropped simply because I had to many closers)

Once I saw I had a chance the last 6 weeks or so, I was online at least an hour every night, reading, looking at Waiver wire, looking for any edge. (Something those of you with a wife and kids might not have the luxury to do I know)

Finally a great core of keepers who had career years. Mariano Rivera, Adrian Gonzalez and Jacoby Ellsbury.... and who could forget that worthless second baseman Zen assured me a few years ago couldn't hold Kelly Johnson's Jock, Robinson Cano. *-)

Great league, lots of fun.

Thanks for a great year and see everyone in the grapefruit league.

839

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 13:08

Nice run, nerve. The players I traded you I ended up trading for in my other league. The played a vital role, particularly Adrian down the stretch.

Got to see him jack one live off of Felix a couple weeks ago. Pissed off some ms fans around me by cheering.

840

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 14:06

Bili I think one reason I ended up with so many closers is because you are the master at finding them, but when you felt it was a lost cause mid season maybe you didn't dig them up as much as years past?

You have that West Coast advantage of looking when all the games are done at 11PM your time, which is 2 AM on the East coast, and 10 AM in Dubai. I definitely have an advantage being in Dubai of viewing the late results and being there to grab people when the come off the waiver wire.

841

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 14:24

Some great FA pickups. To be fair to MBJ, Gardner was really sucking it up for him, hitting a buck 36 after 12 games and looking like a bust.

Timing is everything, and you certainly had it this year.

842

C1-NRB
ID: 564251210
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 14:40

Congratulations, nerve.

Way back on September 7th I told you all sixth place was mine and I held it.

This league is a blast. Looking back over the seasons I've been involved my team has steadily climbed the ranks each year, including this year. Even though I finished one place lower in the standings (I was fifth last year) my gross point total is 9* points higher than last year.

*I concede my ill-gotten 3-4 from Brett Wallace-the impetus for the Asterisks of Shame. I give a point to myboyjack (Forlorn Hopes) in AVG because I beat him by .001 in that column. Good thing he was already half a point up instead of half a point down for 7th place- otherwise it would cost him a draft order position. The RBI I got that night doesn't affect anyone else's totals.

843

Tree
ID: 41512710
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 15:50

congrats Nerve. there was a brief moment in time where i held first, and i thought i'd continue to hold it, but my team faded badly.

you had a fantastic run for much of the season. guess for the rest of us, there's always next year! lol

844

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 18:48

And lets be fair, in the end, it takes a hell of a lot of luck. Star players not getting injured. That is one of the biggest ways to win and we have no control over it. None of my major stars were injured.

845

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Thu, Sep 29, 2011, 18:53

Great One that was a nice finish at the end, but I have to admit I was hoping B7 would have finished second.

How cool would a one two finish by conspiracy theory disciples have been?

I was in a Razz Ball reader league, everyone in the league had to be invited by the Razz ball website. I came in second playing in Dubai, first place was a US soldier in Afghanistan so it was a Middle East Ex Pat 1-2 finish.

846

Boldwin
ID: 35615181
Fri, Sep 30, 2011, 14:43

"Only 3 of my draft picks lasted the year on my team"

That is some impressive work on the WW! Really impressive.

847

Tree
ID: 41512710
Fri, Sep 30, 2011, 15:07

i think that's the mark of the top teams in this league. obviously solid keepers help, but good drafting and/or great WW pickups are critical.

my last 5 draft picks this season were so much more significant than my first 5 picks

first five picks -
1. Colby Rasmus
2. John Axford
3. Chris Carpenter
4. Gordon Beckham
5. Shane Victorino

last five picks -
10. Jair Jurrjens
11. Michael Morse
12. Michael Pineda
13. Jose Lopez
14. Jaime Garcia

with the exception of Lopez, who was dropped two weeks into the season, the rest of my bottom 5 picks performed significantly better than one could have possibly expected.

and two of them could very well be keepers.

848

Boldwin
ID: 35615181
Fri, Sep 30, 2011, 23:37

I was sure I was gonna end up getting Pineda but you took him earlier than I expected he would go. I was also thinking I would get Ogando but again...

849

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Sat, Oct 01, 2011, 08:17

Nice run, nerve.

I think I had a chance up to the final day, but I needed about five out of five things to go my way:

RBI: I had to pass GO, I was one behind
SB: I had to stay ahead of nerve, I was 1 ahead
K's: I had to pass nerve and Pancho, others had to pass nerve.
ERA: Had to stay in 1st, ahead by .01 or less
WHIP: 1.14, 1.15, 1.16, 1.16, 1.17, 1.19. It was tight.

Little of that happened. But, when you load up with waiver starters on the final day, you can't expect too much. I could have used one more starter, but they all got taken.......by the last place teams. Not sure what they were doing. As it turned out, nerve still would have won, but I could have come in 2nd with the extra K's, etc.
.............

It was a good day to be watching baseball. Probably, one of the best ever. With four games for the wildcards, and four more for 2nd place.
Plus the Rangers won, so my tickets to game 5 of the playoffs are still alive.

850

C1-NRB @ parents
ID: 36937110
Sat, Oct 01, 2011, 11:37

Plus the Rangers won, so my tickets to game 5 of the playoffs are still alive.

I hope your Game 5 result is the opposite of my Game 1 result last night.

851

Boldwin
ID: 35615181
Sat, Oct 01, 2011, 17:16

taken by the last place teams. Not sure what they were doing.

That would be everyone remaining as competitive as possible right up to the last game of the year. The kind of league I want to be in.

852

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Oct 01, 2011, 21:07

I took several pitchers myself the last few days--I was way behind on IP and saw no reason to tank the season just because I was in last place and had no real chance to move up.

853

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Sun, Oct 02, 2011, 21:29

I don't care what place I am in I am playing to the end. One of the positives about this league.

854

Boldwin
ID: 35615181
Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 05:26

Nerve

How did you manage to fit that many closers into a roster with so few slots? Didn't that cost you wasted AB's? I just cannot get anywhere near filling the AB opportunities.

I only had three closers and they were real ones, not in waiting
I only carried one extra pitcher ever and unfortunately dropped one two weeks too early for extra batters
I had a first baseman who practically played all 162 games so I carried no spare 1B eligible
I carried no spare catcher

And even with several extra OF's, a spare middle infielder or two I could not come closer than within 10 AB's of filling each one. How do you do it? I just cannot figure out how to cope with this tiny bench in this league. Just have guys who never get injured and are never given a day off I guess.

855

Tree
ID: 41512710
Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 09:38

And even with several extra OF's, a spare middle infielder or two I could not come closer than within 10 AB's of filling each one.

excepting the position of catcher, four of the top 5 finishers in this league this season maxed out their pitching and came within 10 games of maxing out every other position.

for me, i have traditionally avoided players with injury histories - that sure helps.

856

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 11:18

How did you manage to fit that many closers into a roster with so few slots?

It was only the last 6 weeks that I reached 6 closers, and that was only a day or two. Then I dropped Motte.

But even the 5 closers was only last part of season. Remeber I only started the year with Rivera and didn't even draft a closer.

As far as maxing out slots.

Cano played 158 Games

Adrian Gonzalez 159

Asdrubel Cabrera 147

Ellsbury 158

Then there are players with multiple position, Mark Reynolds 1b and 3b, Howie Kendrick 1b, 3b, of,

Then through out the year, every time there were "days off" I tried to pick up a batter here and there to fill slots and then drop them after the game.

Yes it's not a deep bench but I think if we had one more player the waiver wire would be extremely thin (As if it isn't already)

Baldwin you only made 31 moves all year, I made 155. That should tell you everything you need to know right there. But already I say too much.

857

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 14:26

I took several pitchers myself the last few days--I was way behind on IP and saw no reason to tank the season just because I was in last place and had no real chance to move up.

So, you knew you were stuck in last, but wanted to increase your innings pitched for some reason? Snagging two starters on the final day prevented you from "tanking your season"? While you were doing that, I was trying to win the league the title.

858

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Oct 03, 2011, 14:38

And since those pitchers were free agents, nothing prevented you from picking them up yourself.

I picked those guys up at 10 pm (9pm your time, I believe). What were you waiting for? If you wanted to win the title and SP was important to you, you had plenty of opportunity to pick up some long before I logged on.

Honestly, by the time I got a chance to check the league page I thought all there would be was picked-over dregs. Took the two I could grab quickly, and that was that. That late at night, even if I cared that I was supposed to be letting the league leaders get all the talent, why would I think anyone who cared would have not already gotten who they wanted?

859

C1-NRB
ID: 564251210
Tue, Oct 04, 2011, 17:15

I hope they process your Game 5 refund quickly, B7.

I'm not sorry you don't get to use them, though.

860

Action Figure
ID: 511112193
Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 08:16

Yes, I was one of the teams that was loading up on pitching towards the end. I didn't think I was out of line. I was actually trying to surpass Nerve in wins and some others in "K"s, only problem is the pitchers available were "not good"

I think another reason I was trying to climb the through the ranks was because of the 1st rounder I traded Building 7 for Heyward. Bad move

Congratulations nerve.

861

Action Figure
ID: 511112193
Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 09:05

So, you knew you were stuck in last, but wanted to increase your innings pitched for some reason?

The thing about Rotisserie leagues is even the dregs of the league can have an effect on the top players. Thats what keeps me coming back.

862

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 10:00

GO's Trade Block Update: Sid Bream and Francisco Cabrera available for 2nd and 4th rounders respectively.

863

C1-NRB
ID: 564251210
Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 11:38

The thing about Rotisserie leagues is even the dregs of the league can have an effect on the top players. Thats what keeps me coming back.

Hooray for spite!

864

Tree
ID: 4691711
Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 12:01

I cannot believe that anyone would be upset because managers are continuing to manage their teams through the last day of the season. Suggesting they give up at any point is unethical to me and giving up could actually lead to collusion.

865

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 13:48

C1 How is it spite?

Baltimore shouldn't have tried to beat Boston the last game of the year? strange concept.

866

Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 15:19

Yes, everybody should play every day to the fullest all the way til the end.

867

C1-NRB
ID: 564251210
Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 18:05

I agree that everyone should play until the end, regardless of where they are in the standings.

The comment "even the dregs of the league can have an effect on the top players" sounds like (to me, anyway) a jab at the teams at the top- "Don't think you can peruse the free agents or waiver wire at your leisure because I'll snatch up all the last day starters just so you can't have them" (emphasis my own). But I may be the only person that thinks those things.

I intentionally didn't make a roster move until three days left in the season because I didn't want the guy I dropped to be claimed off waivers. It didn't make a difference where my team finished in the league; I dared any of you to wrest sixth place from me with weeks to go and had no challengers. But John Lackey maybe/coulda/but-probably-not might have helped someone by getting an extra K or two out of the bullpen in game 162.

Was it strategy, gamesmanship, or spite? It's more sportsman-like to call it strategy or gamesmanship, but it makes for better forum fodder to call it spite. Especially on a forum that tends to be as politically charged as the Political Forum. ; )

Aside- Whenever I see think about the word "spite," I picture Dustin Hoffman as Willy Loman in "Death of a Salesman" claiming Biff failed at a task just to spite him.

868

Boldwin
ID: 35615181
Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 19:56

I can't think of anything short of a lopsided trade or giving up and not managing, that we should be criticizing a manager for. They are free to do anything legal both to further their team's ending standing or to favoring one team over another. Teams at the top selectively tilt the standings and what's good for the goose is good for those ganders further down the rankings.

870

Action Figure
ID: 55913810
Sat, Oct 08, 2011, 12:09

The thing about Rotisserie leagues is even the dregs of the league can have an affect on the top players. Thats what keeps me coming back.

Hooray for spite!

Dregs
-the least valuable part of anything

Dixie Dregs
-are an American band formed in the 1970s. Their mostly instrumental music fuses jazz, southern rock, bluegrass and classical forms in an often unique style.

Spite
-a malicious, usually petty, desire to harm, annoy, frustrate, or humiliate another person; bitter ill will; malice.

Sprite
-is a transparent, lemon-lime flavored, caffeine free soft drink, produced by the Coca-Cola Company

I wasn't slamming anoybody other than myself and Obamas. I guess the point I was making was as low as we both will finish we still can affect the other members of the league, this may include but is not limited to players in 1st and 2nd place.

I don't know why I'm saying this because everybody knows this.

Now who's got Frank Cabrera and what do you want for him?

871

Action Figure
ID: 55913810
Sat, Oct 08, 2011, 12:54

"even the dregs of the league can have an affect on the top players" sounds like (to me, anyway) a jab at the teams at the top- "Don't think you can peruse the free agents or waiver wire at your leisure because I'll snatch up all the last day starters just so you can't have them" (emphasis my own). But I may be the only person that thinks those things.

IDK why you would interpret it that way. I think you are reading too much into it. I had a bunch of innings left to play, I picked up starters the last couple or 3 days to try and use up those innings. I hoped to increase wins and K's while maintaining or lowering my ERA and WHIP (see double-edged sword)

I agree with Tree. (make a note of that)

Suggesting they give up at any point is unethical to me and giving up could actually lead to collusion.

I could send an e-mail to the top teams in the league asking if they would mind if I picked up a starter with a 4.43 ERA facing the Pirates on the road on a Monday evening.

872

Boldwin
ID: 35615181
Sat, Oct 08, 2011, 18:04

Yeah, I remember getting kicked out of a league for doing my duty as an unfortunate manager and trading all my good players away. Hopefully those out of the running are not even remotely looked down on for trying to fill our Innings Pitched.

You could always expand the bench if you have a problem fighting for IP the last few days.

I am shocked we aren't getting patted on the back for not throwing the season even further to get top draft pick. Competing right up to the last day is commendable. Attaboy.

873

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Fri, Oct 14, 2011, 17:23

I had to wait until the Arizona game was over to see who I could get rid of. Plus I had to pick up a prospect before midnight. And I was not sure what categories to work on until late. When I checked it late, there were two starters left. One had an ERA of 8.00 and one had an ERA of 9.00. I picked the guy with the 8.00 ERA. The guy with the 9.00 ERA was one of the worst pitchers I have ever seen. 30 innings, 12 K's 12 homers. I needed one who could play RP, and those were all taken. So, I could only use 6 starters on the last day. I was looking at Batista, and he threw a shutout.

Now I have 4 tickets for game 7 vs. the Tigers.
In the first round, 3 of the 4 series went 5 games. I had tickets to the one that did not go 5 games.

874

C1-NRB
ID: 564251210
Fri, Oct 14, 2011, 17:53

Now I have 4 tickets for game 7 vs. the Tigers.

I hope they are unncessary as well, B7. Be sure to get Game 5 WS tickets (after the Rangers win a road game, of course.)

875

C1-NRB
ID: 23781518
Thu, Oct 20, 2011, 23:41

Have you got them yet?

I'll pitch in if you need me to. ;)

876

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Oct 26, 2011, 20:15

To long-suffering Ranger fans everywhere. We're going to have to wait another day.

877

Perm Dude
ID: 39961218
Thu, Oct 27, 2011, 11:34

I've certainly been rooting for them.

878

C1-NRB
ID: 564251210
Thu, Oct 27, 2011, 12:27

An obligation prevents me from watching tonight's game "live," so of course they'll win. I missed last year's pennant clinching win against the Yankees, so it stands to reason I won't get to see this one, either.

But as long as the Rangers win, I'll be okay. I've made my peace. I don't think I can handle a game 7.

879

Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Fri, Oct 28, 2011, 13:05

C1: Be glad you didn't watch Game 6. It was the worst Ranger baseball game ever.........but one of the most exciting games ever played. After that collapse, I don't think the Rangers can recover.

880

C1-NRB
ID: 564251210
Fri, Oct 28, 2011, 13:15

I had it DVRed. I watched it in fast-foward and caught up at the commercial break headed into the top of the eighth.

Once I caught up I told my wife, "I don't think I can watch this live." But I did.

I don't know what tonight holds.

881

C1-NRB
ID: 564251210
Fri, Oct 28, 2011, 13:47

Regardless of what happens tonight, I hereby open the Poli Baseball Hot Stove league by placing David Freese on the market. All offers will be taken into consideration.

882

Tree
ID: 449472813
Fri, Oct 28, 2011, 14:47

The rangers have always come back from adversity. 6 to 1 in the opener vs the yanks, 9 to zip against the rays. Etc etc

883

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Fri, Oct 28, 2011, 15:26

Buddy is convinced it was a hoax.

884

C1-NRB
ID: 23781518
Sat, Oct 29, 2011, 00:10

Despite what you might think, David Freese's price went down after tonight.

The rules of the auction are as follows:

1. This is an open bid auction. Post your offer here.

2. Non-serious bidding is encouraged. The bid I judge to be the most creative that is also the most "legitimate" offer will win.

3. You may bid more than once.

4. The auction ends 12:01 (RotoGuruTime) December 1, 2011.

5. The "creative" payoff must be in my possession the day before keepers are declared for the 2012 Poli Board Baseball season for the trade to be finalized.

The bidding begins with a package deal: (Your name here)'s 12th round draft pick and an expired coupon for $1.00 off the 3 piece chicken meal at Pollos Hermanos for David Freese and C1's 12th round pick.

885

biliruben
ID: 59551120
Sat, Oct 29, 2011, 09:26

I bid one slightly used arch currently residing in a 3rd-tier midwest city.

886

Perm Dude
ID: 39961218
Sat, Oct 29, 2011, 09:58

This one?

887

Seattle Zen
Leader
ID: 055343019
Sat, Oct 29, 2011, 13:18

The whole "bullpen phone confusion" was a cover. What LaRussa was doing on that phone was calling George Soros directly and yelling, "I KNOW what happened to WTC Building 7, I've got photos of the explosives! Either you get the Rothchilds' to have GW Bush throw this game or I'm going public!"

Just another chapter in conspiracy lore...

Seriously, between the Mavericks and the Rangers, we're talking nearly 80 seasons of abject futility. To think that both teams would become World Champions within 6 months of each other, that would have caused Texans' wee little heads to asplode! You're not ready.

888

C1-NRB
ID: 451120913
Fri, Dec 09, 2011, 14:24

The only bid for David Freese was from biliruben. Once a slightly used arch from a 3rd-tier midwest city is in my personal possession I will complete the deal. I can be reached for delivery options at c1nrb.91-at-gmail-dot-com

Please note: If I do not receive an arch by the day keepers are declared next season I will retain possession of David Freese. Lest anyone think I will simply release David Freese so he can be had for nothing, you are sorely mistaken. I will declare him a "keeper," dip him in pine tar, and pour a 55 gallon drum of liquid nitrogen over him as he sits on my bench. He will remain there for THE ENTIRE SEASON. Possibly FOR-EV-ER. I will freeze him out. Don't think I won't do it, either. I am committed to this course of action.

David Freese will not be allowed to just waltz away like Albert Pujols was in real-life. I demand restitution, reconstitution, repatriation, and repercussions. His stay on my team will not end prettily; I'll see to that. That is to say: In-season trades will be considered if this trade falls through.

889

biliruben
ID: 358252515
Fri, Dec 09, 2011, 19:24

Heh.

I'm sorry. Damn arch wouldn't fit in the pickup. Stupid cover-your-load laws.

890

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 02:45

Uhh Bili Ryan Braun 50 game suspension to start the season. Then what is worse is will the skills suddenly evaporate once he's off his meds?

891

Boldwin
ID: 4111685
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 05:13

They did manage to fit his massive talent under all the overpasses tho.

892

biliruben
ID: 59551120
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 10:54

50 games. There must have been an unreported first offense. A shame and to me, unexpected.

893

PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 12:31

It goes 50 games, 100 games, lifetime ban if I remember correctly Bili.

894

Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 12:53

I believe that's right, Punk.

Each test needs to be verified by a separate test, however. Typically, in fact, we wouldn't even hear about the results of a positive first test.

895

nerveclinic
ID: 40352125
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 14:34

The second test showed it was testosterone from outside the body.

896

nerveclinic
ID: 4711362616
Sun, Jan 15, 2012, 05:15

yes as noted earlier Montero was expendable (*post 775)

8-)

897

Boldwin
ID: 49030519
Sun, Jan 15, 2012, 05:55

How much advantage can extra testosterone be to a baseball player?

898

nerveclinic
ID: 4711362616
Wed, Jan 18, 2012, 08:43

Three issues I can think of off hand,

1) Strength, faster better muscle growth

2) Much faster recovery from certain injuries.

3) Better workouts, energy for work outs, energy throughout a long season.

You still have to have the degree of talent in the first place for any of this to matter. It just improves people who already have some proclivity to succeed.

There is probably a couple more I haven't thought of.

899

Tree
ID: 41512710
Wed, Jan 18, 2012, 11:18

a riff off number one would be increased bat speed, which may or may not result in power, but could certainly increase batting average.

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