Forum: pol
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Subject: Unexpectedly


  Posted by: Boldwin - [2354214] Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 06:28

Sixties radicals used to claim that they were 'The Weathermen'.

Now they are all grown up and running the MSM but they couldn't tell the weather if they left the weather channel on 24/7.

According to the uber-liberal Chicago Suntimes...

Box-office power of Ayn Rand’s ‘Atlas Shrugged’ baffles insiders

Low budget Tea Party film with low budget internet publicity campaign runs out of prints as they can't keep up with demand.
 
1Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 08:10
Headline - Jobless claims unexpectedly climb
 
2Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 08:15
Headline - U.S. Economy: Goods Orders Unexpectedly Fall, Claims Drop
 
3Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 08:17
Headline - U.S. New-Home Sales Unexpectedly Decline to Record-Low 250,000 Annual Pace
 
4Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 08:18
Joblessness rose unexpectedly. Again
 
5Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 08:25
Orders for Manufactured Goods Fall Unexpectedly
 
6Pancho Villa
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 08:27
You missed this one.

DOW Highest Closing in Almost Three Years
 
7Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 08:30
One possible explanation, [besides the biased cheerleader mentality]...

Realtor groups have been fudging the numbers upwards.
 
8Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 08:35
Service sector activity in the U.S. declined unexpectedly in March
 
9Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 08:43
Here you go, PV...

ignore all those manufacturing surveys
Indeed, surveys of industrial activity have been remarkably firm, but maybe it’s because these company executives are merely reporting what they’ve seen in their share price. What is happening on the expenditure side is a different story. - david-rosenberg
 
10Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 08:55
My point in this thread is about the media. Whose expectations are these and why are they held against all evidence to the contrary?

In a related issue, for decades I've tracked the incumbent presidents rigging the economy to peak for their re-election bids. It will be very very interesting to see how well this works as the party conventions get closer. Judging by how poorly traditional FED string-pulling has been working I expect a surprisingly difficult time with that 'rigging the economy for the re-election' thingy.
 
11Perm Dude
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 09:03
Whose expectations are these and why are they held against all evidence to the contrary?

And why is it important to re-construct and knock down strawmen such as these?

Also, please inform us of which economic information is currently "rigged."
 
12Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 09:05
Not doing the expected leads to unexpected success.
 
13Pancho Villa
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 09:08
I've presented solid evidence that the conservative media has been trying to crash the markets through fear campaigns ever since Obama took office.

Of course this is done entirely for political reasons, regardless of the devastating effect it would have on our nation. Yet, these imposters insist on calling themselves patriots.

Saying incumbent presidents have been rigging the economy is a meaningless phrase sans details. But it does fit well with the kind of empty rhetoric you often post here.
 
14Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 09:10
why is it important to re-construct and knock down strawmen such as these? - PD

1) I really don't think you have a handle on the phrase 'strawman'.

2) Blind guides...who can ever seem to recognize the next pitfall...lead us into the pit.

please inform us of which economic information is currently "rigged." - PD

Housing market numbers, see link in #7.
 
15Tree
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 09:12
Unexpectedly, a Local church votes for marriage equality, ends practice of signing marriage licenses

Louisville, Kentucky - On Sunday, April 17, the congregation of Douglass Boulevard Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) unanimously voted to end the practice of signing marriage licenses because they give legal benefits to heterosexual couples that are not available to homosexual couples. Until the church's ministers may confer identical legal benefits on homosexual and heterosexual couples, they will perform only religious wedding ceremonies.

note to faux Christians - THIS is how you do it.
 
16Pancho Villa
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 09:17
The link in #4 is from December 2, 2010.
Here's one from today.

First-time claims for state unemployment benefits fell in the latest week but remained above 400,000 for the second straight week, the Labor Department reported Thursday. The number of initial claims in the week ending April 16 fell 13,000 to 403,000.

The Labor Department also reported that the number of Americans who continue to receive state unemployment checks decreased by 7,000 to 3.70 million in the week ended April 9. This is the lowest level since September 2008. The four-week average remained at its lowest level since October 2008


link
 
17Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 09:17
PV

It's not empty rhetoric, it's well known fact.

This is not rocket science, empty rhetoric or hoax. Presidents traditionally call the FED up, order up some lower interest rates and a spring in the economy's step to boost their numbers prior to re-election bids or for their party's benefit if it suits them. Savvy investors count on it. In Clinton's second term however he sabotaged the economy on the way out. So you have to do the math to predict this.
 
18Perm Dude
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 09:26
#12: Apparently Palin, like the President, is manipulating the numbers to help ensure electoral success, then, eh? Because her numbers are tanking, and have been ever since Giffords was shot and the failed at her response.
 
19Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 09:28
PV

You know perfectly well that...

1) The stock market isn't a very good indicator if profits are being generated by record reductions in force for example.

2) The jobless numbers avoid reporting the more significant hidden unemployment figures.
Sure, Washington rejoiced on Friday, announcing that the official unemployment rate ticked down to 8.8 percent. But that narrowly focused number overlooks three shocking realities:

If you include discouraged workers who have given up looking and part-time workers who want a full-time job, the Labor Department’s “all-inclusive” unemployment rate in the U.S. (dubbed “U6″) is 15.7 percent.

But that 15.7 percent figure still excludes folks who have given up looking for more than a year. Economist John Williams of www.shadowstats.com estimates that if you include them as well (as the government used to years ago), the true all-inclusive jobless rate in America is 22 percent!

In March, only 64.2 percent of the adult population was participating in the labor force. That’s an all-important measure of the dire state of affairs. And it’s now stuck at lowest rate in over a quarter century (see chart).



But you go on calling me a politically motivated liar. Just keep looking at that chart and the mirror alternately.
 
20Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 09:29
- Source
 
21Pancho Villa
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 09:31
Presidents traditionally call the FED up, order up some lower interest rates and a spring in the economy's step

I thought you were going to provide a well known fact. Instead you supply some generic offering that's rather laughable.

"Hello, Bernanke. I'm ordering up a spring in the economy's step. I'll expect that done by Friday."
 
22Pancho Villa
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 09:43
Interesting information in #19 from Martin Weiss, proven fraud and liar.
 
23boikin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 09:50
I've presented solid evidence that the conservative media has been trying to crash the markets through fear campaigns ever since Obama took office.

I am confused is the conservative media supported by wall street or not. It does seem very productive strategy to me...
 
24Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 10:24
PV

LOL, ok I guess there is no such thing as hidden unemployment then.
 
25biliruben
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 10:36
I have no idea what your point is Boldwin. That the labor force participation rate isn't reported? I read weekly updates on from a liberal source.

No, I don't plan on clicking through on all your links. I assume 3-quarters of them are you-tube videos of hucksters and fear-mongers, if past experience is the guide.

Can you please state your hypothesis, evidence and prediction plainly?
 
26Pancho Villa
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 10:44
I guess there is no such thing as hidden unemployment then.

Did I say that? You claim radicals are running the MSM and couldn't tell the weather if they left the weather channel on 24/7, then use as a source a guy with a history of fraud, deception and SEC violations.

I don't even understand the point of this thread. You title it
"Unexpectedly," then link to data from a year and a half ago.

My point in this thread is about the media

Really? You start the thread by claiming the Weathermen are running the MSM. Then you get huffy and say

But you go on calling me a politically motivated liar.

What do you call it? Politically motivated distortion of the facts resulting in statements that are untrue?

 
27Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 10:58
What year and a half old data? I googled specifying posted this month and most are from March and April.

The MSM is far left.

Thems the facts.
 
28Tree
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 11:06
only if you don't know the definition of the word "fact".
 
29Pancho Villa
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 11:07
Link in #4

Joblessness rose unexpectedly. Again
December 2, 2010 by Don Surber


The MSM is far left.

Thems the facts.

Of course that's not what you said. You said

Sixties radicals used to claim that they were 'The Weathermen'.

Now they are all grown up and running the MSM


These are your "facts." OK, please name one former Weatherman running a major national media outlet. Not only are them not "facts," they have no basis in reality.



 
30Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 12:39
You really have no sense of humor. I didn't mean it literally but if you want to take it literally I'll even predict that a good percentage of your 'over 50' news reporters and your democrat politicians actually were members of the SDS which was the political arm of the terrorist organization 'the weathermen'.

Go call yours and ask him. See if he doesn't get all huffy.
 
31Boldwin
      ID: 2354214
      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 12:41
I say this because one of my representatives got hugely offended that his opponent made it a political issue that he had been. And of course the local media was sympathetic to the SDS member.
 
32Boldwin
      ID: 2354214
      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 12:56
Now I'm not saying every reporter and every Dem pol was as serious a marxist as Bill Ayers is today, but back them that is what liberal kids who took their politics seriously did.
According to one poll in 1969, more than one million students considered themselves revolutionaries and socialists of some kind. The debates of the Old Left--reform versus revolution, the working class and the need for a revolutionary party--now took on new significance. In the fall of 1968, more that 350,000 said that they strongly agreed with the statement that some form of "mass revolutionary party" was needed in America.27 SDS reached a peak of 100,000 members; and then it collapsed almost as quickly as it had risen. At its national convention in 1969, SDS split into two rival factions, one dominated by the Maoist-turned-Stalinist Progressive Labor Party (PL) and the other called the Revolutionary Youth Movement (RYM), which promptly split into two rival factions itself.

Some form of split was probably inevitable. SDS had existed for most of 1968 in an uneasy balance--something between a mass student radical organization and one that increasingly identified itself as revolutionary Marxist. Those two models, a broad, radical student group and a tighter, more ideologically homogenous Marxist organization were at odds with one another. But to explain why so little of lasting significance came out of the break-up of SDS, it is necessary to look to the politics of the various factions and try to understand why they were unable to provide a way out of the impasse in which SDS found itself in 1969.
 
33Mith
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 12:58
Students for a Democratic Society.
 
34Perm Dude
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 13:01
Durable goods report (pdf) from the fudging site.

While the conservative media would like to pick out only the bad economic news and focus on that only for political reasons, the truth is that the economy is a bit of a mixed bag, but overall numbers are trending slightly up.

Those on the Far Right like to let themselves get manipulated by the "experts" in the conservative media.
 
35Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 13:24
Here's how the typical MSM mentality views the SDS.

Chris Matthews speaking about a Wisc. AFSME leader.
 
36Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 13:36
Nice find:

Here's former weathermen Mark Rudd explaining Obama btw.
Shortly after the November 2008 election, Mark Rudd wrote a column in The Rag Blog, to re-assure leftists alarmed at some of Obama's appointments.

:If you're anything like me, your inbox fills up daily with the cries and complaints of lefties. Just the mere mention of the names Hillary Clinton and Lawrence Summers alone conjure up a litany of horrendous right-wingers appointed to top level positions.

:Betrayal is the name of the game.

:But wait a second. Let's talk about a few things:

:Obama is a very strategic thinker. He knew precisely what it would take to get elected and didn't blow it...But he also knew that what he said had to basically play to the center to not be run over by the press, the Republicans, scare centrist and cross-over voters away. He made it.

:Obama plays basketball. I'm not much of an athlete, barely know the game, but one thing I do know is that you have to be able to look like you're doing one thing but do another. That's why all these conservative appointments are important: the strategy is feint to the right, move left. Any other strategy invites sure defeat. It would be stupid to do otherwise in this environment.

:Look to the second level appointments. There's a whole govt. in waiting that Podesta has at the Center for American Progress. They're mostly progressives, I'm told (except in military and foreign policy). Cheney was extremely effective at controlling policy by putting his people in at second-level positions....
 
37Perm Dude
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 13:41
So now CAP is all ex-Weatherman?

No wonder the GOP has lost the support of conservatives like PV and Khahan. The Far Right is now chasing ghosts of their own making instead of solving problems here on the ground.
 
38sarge33rd
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 14:35
I'm curious, why B starts a thread, and then spams it?

45 mins from 1st post after the OP, 10 posts...and only 1 wasnt FROM the original poster.

Sorta picture a 6 yr old on Christmas morning..tearing open 1 package and hustling to the next w/o much of a thought to the one in hand.
 
39Boldwin
      ID: 2354214
      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 14:45
I'm curious, why B starts a thread, and then spams it? - Sarge

Because PD deleted my first attempt at this thread without giving it a chance or understanding where I was going with it. Thot I'd throw it out there fully formed before he deleted it again.
 
40Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 14:48
conservatives like PV and Khahan

And the 'Unclear on the Concept' award goes to PD.
 
41bibA
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 15:11
You really have no sense of humor. I didn't mean it literally

Nice response. Goes along with "it will definitely happen....unless for some reason it doesn't"
 
42Perm Dude
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 15:12
Because PD deleted..

Actually I didn't. Why would you make such a bold and false claim without proof except your own bias?

I guess I'm "unclear on the concept" again, if this is what the GOP stands for...
 
43DWetzel
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 15:13
It wasn't intended to be a factual statement, after all.

(Yes, this is now the code word for "yeah, I know I'm lying again, and it's like totally unfair that you're pointing out I'm lying again and how dare you!".)

((Yes, I expect to have to use this a lot more.))
 
44Tree
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 15:53
I didn't mean it literally

#NotIntendedToBeAFactualStatement?

Why would you make such a bold and false claim without proof except your own bias?

because it's what he does. it's what his heroes do. they thrive in this sort of behavior, and pass it off as acceptable.
 
45Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 15:57
PD

Several days back it was deleted and SZ made a snarky post about it elsewhere if you doubt it. As you remind me, there are other mods, but in my mind you are the most active and most likely.
 
46Perm Dude
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 16:00
but in my mind you are the most active and most likely.

Is this your excuse for making a false claim in the first place? Or your form of apology when that claim is publicly revealed as false?

It isn't just that there are other mods (plus Guru). It is that I will always say that I deleted something.
 
47Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 16:02
bibA

I was only exagerating the tiniest bit. Tho I am sure it is true many of those 100k SDS'ers went on to polute the popular culture and sought positions of influence.

Of course I didn't mean every last person at NBC/CBS/ABC/NYT had been a member or that the weathermen/SDS had remained a functional organization all these years directly running the entire MSM.

What exactly did you think I meant anyway? Of course I was being sardonic.
 
48Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 16:05
PD

Sorry, but in my mind you embody the whole of the moderating. I don't interact with the others as moderators and they don't participate. It never occurs to me that you might not have done the moderating.
 
49Tree
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 16:57
Several days back it was deleted and SZ made a snarky post about it elsewhere if you doubt it

and that thread SHOULD have been deleted, because there was already another on the same topic.

of course, by your own admittance, this thread is also a duplicate, so it probably should have been deleted as well.
 
50bibA
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 17:47
My mistake - when you said that now The Weathermen were now grown up and running the MSM, I thought you meant to say that now The Weathermen were all grown up and running the MSM.
 
51Boldwin
      ID: 2354214
      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 18:20
"Nothing is more curious than the almost savage hostility that Humour excites in those who lack it."
 
52Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 18:22
bibA

No no, what exactly did you think when you read that? Are you actually telling me you thot that meant every last person in the MSM were former SDS/weathermen?
 
53bibA
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 18:54
No, I didn't think that. I thot you believed what you were saying.
 
54Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 19:21
Play dense. How hard is that?
 
55bibA
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 20:32
You constantly make what most feel are pretty wild allegations or predictions. Then are not able to own up to them, instead claiming that you weren't actually serious?

I remember that about a year ago someone challenged you to back up something Ann Coulter had said, and you did the same thing then, saying that she was in reality something like a comedian.

Just don't get too insulted when people do not take you too seriously.
 
56Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 20:47
Yeah, hyperbole, ironic, sardonic. Just too complicated for the 'brights'.
 
57Boldwin
      ID: 2354214
      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 20:49
Does this mean all those liberals with Bush=Hitler posters actually thot Bush was married to Eva Braun?

Literalist knuckle-draggers.
 
58biliruben
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 20:52
You keep using that term "Brights" as some sort of slam, so you finally forced me to Google it. Is the movement at brights.net I found what you are referring to, or are you just engaging in general, mean-spirited mockery of people who think education and science is something to be valued?

Just curious.
 
59Tree on the Evo
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 20:57
Baldwin... you constantly make outlandish statements... so suddenly we're not supposed to believe you're being sarcastic when you say something stupid.

Get over yourself man. You're not a savoir.
 
60Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 21:24
bili

Naw, it was a common meme among liberals a while back that conservatives were knuckle-draggers and liberals were 'the brights', a class of people of superior intelligence and education.

I'm surprised I can't google it up either but it was quite common to speak that way.
 
61Boldwin
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 21:33
Obviously I think it's a scream, on the order of the emperor with no clothes preening about to the oohs and aahs of the common sense populous who see right thru them.
 
62sarge33rd
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 21:48
problem is B, you have it all bassackwards as to which side is the Emperer and which has the common sense.
 
63DWetzel
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 21:52
I'm pretty sure that "the boy who cried wolf" is a more appropriate parable for this situation.
 
64Pancho Villa
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 23:02
Does this mean all those liberals with Bush=Hitler posters actually thot Bush was married to Eva Braun?

So you're categorizing yourself with those liberals. Sounds right.

 
65biliruben
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      Thu, Apr 21, 2011, 23:28
Ah, okay. After reading that one of the founders of brights.net was an activist in Chicago in the 60s, I was sure that was what you were on about.
 
66Frick
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      Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 09:07
I should take the time to look up how to post videos, but this is how I see this thread.

Youtube
 
67Tree
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      Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 12:38



there ya go.
 
68walk
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      Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 13:19
#17 is patently false.
 
69boikin
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      Fri, Apr 22, 2011, 14:33
#17 is actually kind of comical, too.
 
70Boldwin
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      Sun, May 01, 2011, 20:36
L.A.Times announces 50,000 expected at commie 'May Day' parade, so many they were gonna split the throngs into two separate parades, but unexpectedly only a couple hundred show.
 
72Boldwin
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      Thu, May 19, 2011, 18:47
"Sales of existing U.S. homes unexpectedly declined"... - Bloomberg.com/news May 19, 2011., noted at Instapundit
 
73Pancho Villa
      ID: 597172916
      Fri, May 20, 2011, 09:27
#72

In the interest of balance:

A larger-than-expected drop in weekly jobless claims and quarterly results from retailers helped boost U.S. markets Thursday, but investors’ enthusiasm was dampened by a lackluster reading of the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia’s business-activity index and an unexpected decline in April home sales.

link

I guess I'm more of a glass half full guy.
 
74Boldwin
      ID: 64132020
      Fri, May 20, 2011, 21:45
#68/#69

You guys should never ever challenge me on Clinton trivia. He had an economic rapid response team to smooth out the various crisis as they arose, such as a run on the dollar. He shut it down the last six months deliberately so as to sabotage things for Bush.

Which is not to mention he sabotaged America by talking the Saudis into raising the price of oil.

Or that he helped China into the newly created WTO thus costing the USA 2 million jobs.

Or that he insisted Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act could only pass if the loans made by the new agencies included lots of Community Reinvestment Act sub-prime.

Or that he fixed China's ICBM's which used to blow up early in flight before he gave them the fix.

Or that he gave China supercomputers and every other military high tech they could wish for.

But turning off the economic rapid response team was all the evidence I needed.
 
75Pancho Villa
      ID: 597172916
      Fri, May 20, 2011, 23:45
He shut it down the last six months deliberately so as to sabotage things for Bush.

Let's see, the election was November 2nd, Gore conceded December 13, and Bush was inaugurated January 20th. Yet, Clinton shut down this team on roughly July 19th in anticipation of a Bush victory?

Is this another WND "exclusive?"

 
76Boldwin
      ID: 28428213
      Sat, May 21, 2011, 04:45
My memory was that he shut it down for at least the six months prior to his leaving office. You figure out why. The business cycle was unavoidably trending down after the dotcom bubble bursting. I don't think a downturn was avoidable at the time, heck it was on the way down in March of 2000, but he added this kick to america's posterior as it started to tumble.

It sure wasn't Bush who left America without an economic response team the last half a year of Clinton's last term.
 
77Boldwin
      ID: 28428213
      Sat, May 21, 2011, 04:47
And as for the suggestion that this would sour a Gore presidency, hah! They had no interest in making Gore look good. They had visions of a two part 16 year Clinton family dynasty. They didn't want Gore blocking her eventually.
 
78sarge33rd
      ID: 372291615
      Sat, May 21, 2011, 05:03
egads.....partisan conspiracy theories


stay tuned kiddies, same bat time, same bat channel, same batshit crazy BS
 
79Mith
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      Sat, May 21, 2011, 08:16
The president has almost no ability to impact the economy.
 
80Pancho Villa
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      Sat, May 21, 2011, 09:03
But turning off the economic rapid response team was all the evidence I needed.

What evidence? You just made a wild claim that Clinton deliberately tried to sabotage things for Bush, or, if Gore won, so be it.

You don't need evidence to slander the Clintons. All you need is a keyboard and a warning that You guys should never ever challenge me on Clinton trivia.

 
81Tree
      ID: 38414218
      Sat, May 21, 2011, 09:21
You guys should never ever challenge me on Clinton trivia.

the primary definition of trivia is indeed correct here, in fact, for most things you say these days.
 
82Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Sat, May 21, 2011, 09:47
My memory was that he shut it down for at least the six months prior to his leaving office. You figure out why.

I literally LOL'd at this one.

Not worth any other response, really.
 
83DWetzel
      ID: 31111810
      Sat, May 21, 2011, 10:51
Hey, don't laugh PD, that sort of thing happens all the time. Bush shut it down for eight years just to sabotage Obama.
 
84Boldwin
      ID: 28428213
      Sat, May 21, 2011, 22:37
My big problem is that I can't remember the name of the team and eleven year old news items don't leap to the front of google. In addition I posted this stuff to Salon TableTalk but it's doubtful it was in a rare thread that's been saved in their attic this long.

There is no question about what he did and how serious it was however. When you are sliding into a recession a well meaning president doesn't dismantle the country's means of stabilization.
 
85sarge33rd
      ID: 372291615
      Sat, May 21, 2011, 23:50
riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
 
86Boldwin
      ID: 554211
      Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 12:04
Ultra-left British mainstream press, 'The Guardian' prepares it's lefty readership for Obama's double-dip recession. Michael van der Galien reacts:
Oh my. If the Obama-friendly the Guardian is now preparing its readers for a new recession, you can bet on it that it’ll happen.

Mike Riddell, fund manager at M&G, is quoted as saying: “The last month has been a horror show for the world’s biggest economy, and things are getting even worse if data released today is anything to go by. It seems that almost every bit of data about the health of the US economy has disappointed expectations recently.”

Shorter: you’d better prepare for some rough years indeed.

The reason, of course? Obama’s failed economic policies. The man did the exact opposite of what had to be done: he made the government bigger and made life virtually impossible for small and middle sized businesses.
If you are liberal this needed an announcement. The rest of us knew it the moment he decided to make it rain money on his friends in the middle of a depression while menacing his enemies, American business.
 
87Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 12:18
Of course it is the failed policies of Obama, who secretly controls the world's economy.
 
88Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 12:28
It is probably worth noting that the Guardian article in question doesn't even mention Obama, let alone draw the conclusion that his policies are to blame for anything.
 
89DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 13:36
I thought Soros controlled the world economy. Damn, wrong again?

Also, um, who made it rain money on his friends in the middle of a depression again? I could have sworn Obama wasn't elected until very late in 2008.
 
90Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 13:50
See what happens when you miss a meeting, DW?
 
91Boldwin
      ID: 554211
      Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 15:42
Wow, really, you think Obama can get away with laying the first two years on Bush and the second dip on that bad ole world economy conspiring to thwart 'the One'.

With this lapdog press eating out of his palm he could possibly get away with blaming the second dip on moonmen.
 
92Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 16:00
When the second dip should be placed squarely in his lap for some reason, in other words? And no where else?
 
93DWetzel
      ID: 53326279
      Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 16:09
Wow, really, you think Obama can get away with laying the first two years on Bush and the second dip on that bad ole world economy conspiring to thwart 'the One'.

1. Strawman alert.

2. It's certainly a more plausible theory than "doing exactly the same crap that got us into this mess, only more, will get us out of it", which seems to be your economic theory.
 
94Boldwin
      ID: 554211
      Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 16:10
When someone walks out the door with $787 billion of your money to fix a problem for you and then comes home empty-handed I don't think 'the dog ate it' is gonna cover it.
 
95Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 16:16
I expected nothing less from you. And got nothing more.
 
96Pancho Villa
      ID: 597172916
      Thu, Jun 02, 2011, 18:30
I find it reprehensible that a percentage of Americans seem to be saying,

" I had absolutely nothing to do with the current economic situation, and my main goal is to attach blame to my political opponents."

When someone walks out the door with $787 billion of your money to fix a problem for you and then comes home empty-handed

I'll assume you're talking about Iraq. Of course $787 billion doesn't begin to cover the entire bill; past, present and future. The same people that were so gung-ho about economically catastrophic foreign invasion are now pointedly adhering to a position of catastrophe concerning the government spending money domestically, which most economists without a political agenda consider to be successful to varying degrees.



 
97Boldwin
      ID: 175341520
      Wed, Jun 15, 2011, 23:52
“Confidence among U.S. homebuilders slumped in June to the lowest level in nine months as executives turned more pessimistic on the outlook for sales, a sign that any pickup will take time to develop. The National Association of Home Builders/Wells Fargo sentiment index unexpectedly fell to 13 from 16 in May, the biggest drop in a year, data from the Washington-based group showed today.”
 
98sarge33rd
      ID: 372291615
      Thu, Jun 16, 2011, 17:10
With wages largely stagnant if not declining over the past 10 years, has it occured to you that homes were predominantly OVER priced to begin with, and this decline in value is merely a market correction? (ie, your vaunted free market at work?)
 
99Mith
      ID: 23217270
      Thu, Jun 16, 2011, 17:17
I think most people acknowledge that most of the decline was a bubble pop/correction but if the recovery were stronger we'd have seen some movement back into the market by now.
 
100Seattle Zen
      ID: 10732616
      Thu, Jun 16, 2011, 19:15
Nationwide confidence surveys of home builders are a waste of time and paper.
 
101Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Jun 22, 2011, 11:41
McConnell: GOP griping more about Libya because the President is a Democrat.

Points for honesty, at least.

Chris Wallace also with an unexpected bout of honesty:

 
102Boldwin
      ID: 22532522
      Sun, Jun 26, 2011, 18:46
Rule#29:

In the internet all girls are guys and all kids are undercover FBI agents.
 
103Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Thu, Sep 15, 2011, 11:00
“The number of Americans filing new claims for jobless benefits rose unexpectedly last week..." Chicago Tribune / Reuters 9/15/11 found via Instapundit
 
104Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Thu, Sep 15, 2011, 11:27
The U.S. economy added no new jobs in August as the unemployment rate stayed steady at 9.1 percent, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported on Friday, the most concrete sign yet that the recovery has stalled out and a double-dip recession may well be on the way.

"We're treading water, going sideways, you can call it whatever you want; this report says we are not gathering momentum," said Wells Fargo economist John Silvia.

While Silvia said he doesn't think the U.S. is in another recession right now, he said he wouldn't be surprised if the economy enters into a recession in the near future. Signs of a slow growth economy -- GDP growth of around 1 percent, falling housing prices, weak manufacturing, stagnant high unemployment -- mean the U.S. economy is volatile and vulnerable.

"We're going to be very sensitive to any kind of shocks going forward," Silvia said. "Looking forward to some of the big events coming in the fall: a new congressional committee or another potential shock from Europe, yeah we could easily get into another dip."
Zero, zilch, nada. How many each month do we need just to stay even?

So anyway, I was in the mall to find a particular football draft magazine during this, the hope and change worker's paradise, and low and behold my Waldenbooks was having a going out of business sale.

I don't like to see innocent people lose their jobs, not even liberals, so no schadenfreud here, and I hate to lose the last real bookstore in town.

Hate that.

Well the downside is there was no magazine, I have no bookstore and I'll never again see the delightful show their faces put on every time I asked them to show me Ann Coulter's new book. [every time I went in there 8]

On the plus side I picked up a le Carre I had missed somehow, and for only $4. And you get the benefit of my find, "All The Devils Are There"...the definitive book on how the second great depression started. Snippets to follow.
 
105Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Thu, Sep 15, 2011, 11:57
Innocent...hmm...then again they did vote for change.
 
106Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Tue, Oct 04, 2011, 13:08
US Factory Orders Fell Unexpectedly in August.
 
107Perm Dude
      ID: 420241913
      Tue, Oct 04, 2011, 13:18
Your link doesn't go to an article, but here's a story from Reuters on the numbers.
 
108Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Tue, Oct 04, 2011, 14:51
Link works fine on my computer.
 
109Perm Dude
      ID: 420241913
      Tue, Oct 04, 2011, 15:07
It is probably in your cache. No biggie.
 
110Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Tue, Oct 04, 2011, 15:08
So you are not the mad bomber censoring everything today, PD?
 
111Perm Dude
      ID: 420241913
      Tue, Oct 04, 2011, 15:10
If by "censor" you mean "deleting posts," then no. I haven't deleted anything on this forum in some time. In fact, I got some Malware on my regular computer that I've spent about 13 hours now trying to get rid of and haven't even been keeping a full eye on things here.
 
112Tree
      ID: 41512710
      Tue, Oct 04, 2011, 15:48
So you are not the mad bomber censoring everything today, PD?

maybe its Jesus trying to send you a message and telling you to cut the crap.
 
113Boldwin
      ID: 35615181
      Sat, Nov 05, 2011, 15:08
Have you ever wondered what '60 Minutes' would sound like without Andy Rooney?